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Brexit referendum Straw Poll in or out?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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No lenghthy party political broadcasts, just one word
IN or OUT?
For the record im in!
Jayxxx |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Angus & Findhorn |
In |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No lenghthy party political broadcasts, just one word
IN or OUT?
For the record im in!
Jayxxx"
I would like you in as well |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No lenghthy party political broadcasts, just one word
IN or OUT?
For the record im in!
Jayxxx"
You got it wrong. The question is more likely to be, "Stay or leave."
Leave. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
"shake it all about" sorry couldnt resist
in |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In & In. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No lenghthy party political broadcasts, just one word
IN or OUT?
For the record im in!
Jayxxx
You got it wrong. The question is more likely to be, "Stay or leave."
Leave."
your always correcting people in forums xxx chill dear chill |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In |
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Me, in..
the Oh undecided yet.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No lenghthy party political broadcasts, just one word
IN or OUT?
For the record im in!
Jayxxx
You got it wrong. The question is more likely to be, "Stay or leave."
Leave. your always correcting people in forums xxx chill dear chill"
I'm chilled.
Leave. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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OUT |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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sorry didn't mean to shout
out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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but if just one word it should be
Out |
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"No lenghthy party political broadcasts, just one word
IN or OUT?
For the record im in!
Jayxxx
You got it wrong. The question is more likely to be, "Stay or leave."
Leave. your always correcting people in forums xxx chill dear chill
I'm chilled.
Leave."
Hey miss chilled, you don't get two votes just because you commented twice. 
Just to confer your sneaky, but very chilled extra vote here's another....
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No lenghthy party political broadcasts, just one word
IN or OUT?
For the record im in!
Jayxxx
You got it wrong. The question is more likely to be, "Stay or leave."
Leave. your always correcting people in forums xxx chill dear chill
I'm chilled.
Leave.
Hey miss chilled, you don't get two votes just because you commented twice.
Just to confer your sneaky, but very chilled extra vote here's another....
IN. "
Leave |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I was in until i heard about the turkey visa thing. I don't want that to be my fault. So...
Out/leave. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
Still undecided - I need to do more research! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In |
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Is anyone going to add this up? Looks about even from a quick scan down the thread. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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in |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out/out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out but only as is
Euro could be great it's just badly done |
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I call order and remind you that the OP said one word  |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
out,was not sure but the scare tactics of Osbourne made up my mind out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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None of the above! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Are right in the head |
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Undecided.
Want to vote in, but may end up voting out.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out  |
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Out £56m per day will do a lot of good in our country. |
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I want the option to be able to retire to Spain or Portugal and be able to access free health care. So unless we can be sure of free movement and reciprocal health care agreements the answer has to be IN |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We haven't a clue  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It took 12 years for the UK to join the EEC (forerunner of the EU) mainly because France vetoed it. God knows how long bi-latteral agreements with 27 states are going to take. Me for in. |
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Out
Or as the question will be on the ballot paper, Leave. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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out |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Gunna give this one 24 hours then tot iup the scores! At a glance looks close to me!
Jayxxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Out £56m per day will do a lot of good in our country. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In |
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If it means we wont be going to the Eurovision song contest, then I am all for leaving. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Boris was selected by Cameron to act as an "out" runner
He wants to put across to the public that the ones running the "out" campaign are fools and encourage the public to vote to remain
Its a huge plot and it seems to be working well |
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"If it means we wont be going to the Eurovision song contest, then I am all for leaving."
As far as Eurovision is concerned Israel is part of Europe so I don't that'll save you |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out from me and out from Mr |
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I count it: Stay 26. Leave 40 +1 Me. 1 out from here and the Mrs can't vote. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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" I count it: Stay 26. Leave 40 +1 Me. 1 out from here and the Mrs can't vote."
And there we have it!
As scientific as it gets!!!
BREXIT IT IS THEN!
Boris for Prime Minister. Anyone???
Jayxxx
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out fuck Brussels |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out...but open to bribes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fuck Brussels and fuck Cameron the Tory cunt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I may have given off subtle undertones I don't like David Cameron then |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fuck Brussels and fuck Cameron the Tory cunt "
But if it wasn't for the Tory cunts,you wouldn't be getting the chance to leave the EU. |
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The multi nationals, like the arms manufacturers, want us to stay in.....
The banks want us to stay in.....
Cameron wants us to stay in....
There's three reasons to vote.... leave !!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The multi nationals, like the arms manufacturers, want us to stay in.....
The banks want us to stay in.....
Cameron wants us to stay in....
There's three reasons to vote.... leave !!!!!"
I with you there x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Out,out |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Leave |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Leave. If we, as a nation, vote to stay in then we should ditch the Great from Great Britain because we won't be anymore. Then we should all bend over and continue taking it up the arse from Brussels and all learn to speak German. |
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"Fuck Brussels and fuck Cameron the Tory cunt
But if it wasn't for the Tory cunts,you wouldn't be getting the chance to leave the EU."
Maybe, but only fuelled by their fear of UKIP. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If we leave will have to follow the same regulations to sell into Europe as we do now - so no change there.
We will, like Norway and Switzerland, have to pay money to the EU without any say in it or any chance of getting some back - so we are potentially worse off.
We may have to still take EU migrants, like Norway does, but have no say in the process.
If we leave; Scotland leaves the UK.
Furthermore, to be honest, on the sovereignty issue, the only people directly affected will be the egotistical megalomaniacs in Westminster.
Why should we leave then? Because its Time for a change? 
I'm for staying in. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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OUT |
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"If we leave will have to follow the same regulations to sell into Europe as we do now - so no change there.
We will, like Norway and Switzerland, have to pay money to the EU without any say in it or any chance of getting some back - so we are potentially worse off.
We may have to still take EU migrants, like Norway does, but have no say in the process.
If we leave; Scotland leaves the UK.
Furthermore, to be honest, on the sovereignty issue, the only people directly affected will be the egotistical megalomaniacs in Westminster.
Why should we leave then? Because its Time for a change?
I'm for staying in. "
Funny thing is that the Swiss have just withdrawn their application for membership.
Canny lot those Swiss |
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By *ifornowCouple
over a year ago
East Lincs |
In out in out shake it all about.....but definitely out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If we leave will have to follow the same regulations to sell into Europe as we do now - so no change there.
***UK will be in charge of their OWN affairs***
We will, like Norway and Switzerland, have to pay money to the EU without any say in it or any chance of getting some back - so we are potentially worse off.
*** We presently pay £55 million per day every day to be part of EU, we can afford to "pay like Norway" and still be better off than the £55 million we pay just now***
We may have to still take EU migrants, like Norway does, but have no say in the process.
*** nonsense, we will no doubt take in the ones in most need, the ones that remain in camps in their own country and not the ones who treck through Europe causing havoc trying to gain entry to UK***
If we leave; Scotland leaves the UK.
*** Absolute nonsense, you listen too much to SNP, many SNP voters are voting to leave along with many others in Scotland; SNP are going to get a big shock when they find the amount of people in Scotland who want to leave EU***
Furthermore, to be honest, on the sovereignty issue, the only people directly affected will be the egotistical megalomaniacs in Westminster.
Why should we leave then? Because its Time for a change?
*** To put the "Great" back into Britain, to work together as one nation and rebuild our country, to use some of the £55 million given each day to Europe in UK benefits such as Schooling, Housing, Welfare & NHS***
I'm for staying in. "
***I an a Scot who is voting out***
I have replied to each of your points above using ***-----*** |
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"If we leave will have to follow the same regulations to sell into Europe as we do now - so no change there.
We will, like Norway and Switzerland, have to pay money to the EU without any say in it or any chance of getting some back - so we are potentially worse off.
We may have to still take EU migrants, like Norway does, but have no say in the process.
If we leave; Scotland leaves the UK.
Furthermore, to be honest, on the sovereignty issue, the only people directly affected will be the egotistical megalomaniacs in Westminster.
Why should we leave then? Because its Time for a change?
I'm for staying in.
Funny thing is that the Swiss have just withdrawn their application for membership.
Canny lot those Swiss "
Public opinion in Norway is also firmly against EU membership. The polls in Norway dating back 10 years or more show this. Also no one in the leave campaign is suggesting Britain goes for a deal the same as Norway or Switzerland have, if we leave we can do much better. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No lenghthy party political broadcasts, just one word
IN or OUT?
For the record im in!
Jayxxx
You got it wrong. The question is more likely to be, "Stay or leave."
Leave. your always correcting people in forums xxx chill dear chill
I'm chilled.
Leave.
Hey miss chilled, you don't get two votes just because you commented twice.
Just to confer your sneaky, but very chilled extra vote here's another....
IN. "
There are two of us so two votes. Leave.
That is three now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hello all,
we must leave the E.U., it is only going to get worse, take this opportunity now or regret it forever.
Alec |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Leave. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Stay in |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Leave x2 |
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'Funny thing is that the Swiss have just withdrawn their application for membership.'
Not true, they voted to restrict movement of people across borders, one of the central tenets of the EU. That invalidates all of the treaties they have with the EU, which is bad for the EU but a disaster for Switzerland.
They want everything else about their agreements with the EU but the people voted, quite narrowly, to reject that part of it. It seems like enough of the Swiss public were a little bit ignorant of what the repercussions of their vote will be.
The same appears to be true of the majority of people on this thread.
I'm amazed so many are prepared to vote for the unknown.
The figure of £55bn cost per day is completely false. It is more like £7bn per day. That still seems large but it is only 0.5% of GNI and the lowest of the EU countries. At the same time it is generally estimated that our membership of the EU generates between £160-£210bn per day.
So to bandy that £55bn per day about as some sort of cost that we could spend on schools, hospitals etc is a gross falsehood.
If we left we would have to renegotiate an agreement. That would still generate a lot of income, probably be less but approaching what it is now, but it would also incure similar if not slightly more costs than the current £7bn per date because we'd lose our rebate, which stands at around 60%.
Overall the LIKELIHOOD is that we would be worse off.
Norway and Switzerland both have relationships with the EU. They had the choice of going down the apparently preferred route the Leave campaign want, which is negotiating hundreds, literally hundreds, of Trade Agreements with all the other countries around the world and the EU. They decided they wanted to share the market and lack of barriers (not just tarriff's which I'm sure we'd largely get rid of under the new negotiations anyway) and accept the lack of border control for migrants. That should tell you something.
Stay, for me.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I want the option to be able to retire to Spain or Portugal and be able to access free health care. So unless we can be sure of free movement and reciprocal health care agreements the answer has to be IN"
You only get free health care for the first 3 months I think now. It doesn't work like that
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It's the only game in town and even the Brexit bunch know it.
IN! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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out!!! |
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"I want the option to be able to retire to Spain or Portugal and be able to access free health care. So unless we can be sure of free movement and reciprocal health care agreements the answer has to be IN
You only get free health care for the first 3 months I think now. It doesn't work like that
Out"
Not true; but it's too difficult to explain in less than 1000 words;
But actually if you are Resident in an EU country; and come from an EU country; you are entitled to join that countrie's health system once you have been Résident for more than 3 months. (It used to be 5 years). But you have to pay the same Social charges ( NI equivalent) as the " natives".
If you are in receipt of your national " old age pension" then under reciprocal agreements , each country reimburses each other for their nationals who are living in other EU countries and using their health system. |
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LEAVE. Say NO to Marxism (which is a form of governance). Say YES to individual liberty x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I want the option to be able to retire to Spain or Portugal and be able to access free health care. So unless we can be sure of free movement and reciprocal health care agreements the answer has to be IN
You only get free health care for the first 3 months I think now. It doesn't work like that
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Not true; but it's too difficult to explain in less than 1000 words;
But actually if you are Resident in an EU country; and come from an EU country; you are entitled to join that countrie's health system once you have been Résident for more than 3 months. (It used to be 5 years). But you have to pay the same Social charges ( NI equivalent) as the " natives".
If you are in receipt of your national " old age pension" then under reciprocal agreements , each country reimburses each other for their nationals who are living in other EU countries and using their health system."
You're right sorry, was thinking of early retirement |
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All the people that are telling us we should be out on the telly and in newspapers are rich people who would conveniently profit from being free of pesky things like human rights and health & safety regulations (serious industrial accidents were a daily occurrence not so long ago y'know) so that alone makes me want to say in. Never mind the billions it adds to our economy etc. |
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"I want the option to be able to retire to Spain or Portugal and be able to access free health care. So unless we can be sure of free movement and reciprocal health care agreements the answer has to be IN"
Forget the good of the country then hey |
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"Never mind the billions it adds to our economy etc."
It doesn't add, it costs this country billions  |
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"All the people that are telling us we should be out on the telly and in newspapers are rich people who would conveniently profit from being free of pesky things like human rights and health & safety regulations (serious industrial accidents were a daily occurrence not so long ago y'know) so that alone makes me want to say in. Never mind the billions it adds to our economy etc."
We have plenty of laws in this country to protect us. Do you really believe the EU is what stops us from being a bunch of savages? |
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"All the people that are telling us we should be out on the telly and in newspapers are rich people who would conveniently profit from being free of pesky things like human rights and health & safety regulations (serious industrial accidents were a daily occurrence not so long ago y'know) so that alone makes me want to say in. Never mind the billions it adds to our economy etc."
Are you having a laugh???
Rich people like Cameron and Osborne want us to stay in, multi national tax dodging companies like Google want us to stay in. Mr EU himself Jean Claude D*unker Juncker who has a very dodgy history on facilitating tax avoidance schemes for big business his own country of Luxembourg (Google it) wants us to stay in. Peter Mandelson who was an EU commissioner and is due to get a sizeable EU pension as long as he stays loyal to the EU wants us to stay in. Maybe they are interested in lining their own rich pockets by keeping Britain in the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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IN IN IN
I won't change my _iew until the leave camp can properly explain to me how it will all work, how we will be able to put all these magic deals in place at a lesser cost than the current arrangements despite negotiating from a position of weakness, and why all the people who are usually deriding British politicians, officials and judiciary suddenly think they're the bees knees now it fits their populist argument.
I'm not holding my breath. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"IN IN IN
I won't change my _iew until the leave camp can properly explain to me how it will all work, how we will be able to put all these magic deals in place at a lesser cost than the current arrangements despite negotiating from a position of weakness, and why all the people who are usually deriding British politicians, officials and judiciary suddenly think they're the bees knees now it fits their populist argument.
I'm not holding my breath. "
How is the ability to make your own deals a position of weakness? Surely without all the red tape its a position of strength |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Most definitely IN! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"IN IN IN
I won't change my _iew until the leave camp can properly explain to me how it will all work, how we will be able to put all these magic deals in place at a lesser cost than the current arrangements despite negotiating from a position of weakness, and why all the people who are usually deriding British politicians, officials and judiciary suddenly think they're the bees knees now it fits their populist argument.
I'm not holding my breath.
How is the ability to make your own deals a position of weakness? Surely without all the red tape its a position of strength"
No, I mean we will be in a position of weakness when we are negotiating the deals.
"Without all the red tape"? Yeah right. One form of red tape will be replaced by another, slightly different shade of red. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In out in out shake it all about.....but definitely out."
Lol. Just what I was thinking.
And...
OUT |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
The sad fact is we're being fed a lot of opinion with very little fact;
"your weekly shop MIGHT go up"
"Flights to Europe COULD be more expensive"
etc etc.
I'm on the fence still, but leaning towards "leave". |
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over a year ago
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I shall use Norway as an example of why I feel it will benefit the UK to stay in the EU. They still remain "loyal" to Brussels and have implemented 3/4s of their laws and legislations. Due to the subscription to the freedom of movement act and membership in the Schengen area, they have a higher per capita immigration than Britain. I agree they do show you can retain access to the single market outside of the EU, but with that being said this comes with a retention of product standards, financial and employment legislation and above all substantial financial contributions to the EU. In essence, they are still be "run by Brussels" but they have no say on EU politics, no vote or no presence when critical decisions are made regarding the daily lives of the citizens.
Switzerland are in a similar position but chose the other of the two existing options, an array of bilateral agreements for integration with the EU.
Would it be wise for a major country of the EU to sit on the periphery of the outer circle of Europe, have no influence on the critical decisions, yet have to implement them? |
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"Never mind the billions it adds to our economy etc.
It doesn't add, it costs this country billions "
Never let facts get in the way of a good argument eh |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
The sad fact is we're being fed a lot of opinion with very little fact;
"your weekly shop MIGHT go up"
"Flights to Europe COULD be more expensive"
etc etc.
I'm on the fence still, but leaning towards "leave"."
This country was no longer a " great nation" when we went in.....and was halfway to being fucked, economically. It's impossible to be sure, but odds on that being in the EU preserved and improved our failing trade at the time
Your weekly shop might go up? It very well might, the EFTA countries which the " outs" say we should join; have overall consumer prices between 125% and 149% of the average prices in the EU....all of them.. |
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"All the people that are telling us we should be out on the telly and in newspapers are rich people who would conveniently profit from being free of pesky things like human rights and health & safety regulations (serious industrial accidents were a daily occurrence not so long ago y'know) so that alone makes me want to say in. Never mind the billions it adds to our economy etc.
We have plenty of laws in this country to protect us. Do you really believe the EU is what stops us from being a bunch of savages? "
Perhaps you should ask that of the people here who say they would machine gun civilians at border crossings or sink boats containing refugees? |
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"All the people that are telling us we should be out on the telly and in newspapers are rich people who would conveniently profit from being free of pesky things like human rights and health & safety regulations (serious industrial accidents were a daily occurrence not so long ago y'know) so that alone makes me want to say in. Never mind the billions it adds to our economy etc.
Are you having a laugh???
Rich people like Cameron and Osborne want us to stay in, multi national tax dodging companies like Google want us to stay in. Mr EU himself Jean Claude D*unker Juncker who has a very dodgy history on facilitating tax avoidance schemes for big business his own country of Luxembourg (Google it) wants us to stay in. Peter Mandelson who was an EU commissioner and is due to get a sizeable EU pension as long as he stays loyal to the EU wants us to stay in. Maybe they are interested in lining their own rich pockets by keeping Britain in the EU. "
Is staying loyal to the EU a condition of getting an employment pension? UKIP MEPs won't be giving their pension entitlements up will they? Shall we get on to how Farage ignored the referendum of his own party so that he and almost all his MEPs could stick their greedy snouts in a pile of Euros from the EU? Has he been cleared yet of misusing those funds? |
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I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
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"I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
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Well it is Darlington  |
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OUT |
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In |
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Out! |
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Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be? |
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?"
Do the same questions apply to the 1.26 million Britons living and working in the EU? Are they just the people that we weren't bothered about losing?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-how-many-uk-citizens-live-european-union-where-infographic-1526116 |
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Bloody hate foreign folks.
All funny colours and weird language.
They even use garlic in their "cooking"
I want to stay in so I can blame them for the fact my life is not how I want it to be. |
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?"
Jesus Christ, did you actually just say that?
And you get to vote. Bloody hell. |
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"I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
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I meet them the other day. They were lovely. |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again."
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump. |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump."
No it wasnt. That was after we joined and labour and the unions tried to ruin the country. Before, we had virtually no unemployment |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump.
No it wasnt. That was after we joined and labour and the unions tried to ruin the country. Before, we had virtually no unemployment"
Simply not true. |
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"Bloody hate foreign folks.
All funny colours and weird language.
They even use garlic in their "cooking"
I want to stay in so I can blame them for the fact my life is not how I want it to be."
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?
Do the same questions apply to the 1.26 million Britons living and working in the EU? Are they just the people that we weren't bothered about losing?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-how-many-uk-citizens-live-european-union-where-infographic-1526116"
Yes but we've replaced them 5 fold, what have other countries done? |
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To digress slightly, what would happen to the EU if we left? Would it start to economically unravel in the same way that the migration crisis is causing it to politically unravel slowly?
I give it no more than 25 years which is not a long time. |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump."
Very true and you'll have a hard time finding anyone who lived through that time who has fond memories of the three day week and double digit inflation. |
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?
Do the same questions apply to the 1.26 million Britons living and working in the EU? Are they just the people that we weren't bothered about losing?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-how-many-uk-citizens-live-european-union-where-infographic-1526116
Yes but we've replaced them 5 fold, what have other countries done?"
I'm sticking with your question. You answer it - were we not bothered about losing them? Or weren't you implying that people who leave one country to work in another are inferior in some way? |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump.
No it wasnt. That was after we joined and labour and the unions tried to ruin the country. Before, we had virtually no unemployment
Simply not true."
In 1973/1974 the unemployment rate was 3.4 per cent. Can you tell me when that figure has been bettered since? |
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?
Do the same questions apply to the 1.26 million Britons living and working in the EU? Are they just the people that we weren't bothered about losing?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-how-many-uk-citizens-live-european-union-where-infographic-1526116
Yes but we've replaced them 5 fold, what have other countries done?
I'm sticking with your question. You answer it - were we not bothered about losing them? Or weren't you implying that people who leave one country to work in another are inferior in some way?"
Not at all. I am just questioning why they are not bothered about losing them and do little to replace them? |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump.
No it wasnt. That was after we joined and labour and the unions tried to ruin the country. Before, we had virtually no unemployment
Simply not true.
In 1973/1974 the unemployment rate was 3.4 per cent. Can you tell me when that figure has been bettered since?
Today?"
What is it today? |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump.
No it wasnt. That was after we joined and labour and the unions tried to ruin the country. Before, we had virtually no unemployment
Simply not true.
In 1973/1974 the unemployment rate was 3.4 per cent. Can you tell me when that figure has been bettered since?
Today?
What is it today?"
5% I misread a graph. |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump.
No it wasnt. That was after we joined and labour and the unions tried to ruin the country. Before, we had virtually no unemployment
Simply not true.
In 1973/1974 the unemployment rate was 3.4 per cent. Can you tell me when that figure has been bettered since?
Today?
What is it today?"
Unemployment was at it's lowest during the two world wars. Something the EU has thoughtlessly stopped from happening, bastards. If we could have another period of global mass slaughter we could have nice low unemployment figures.
All this cooperation and peace is really uneconomic. |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump.
No it wasnt. That was after we joined and labour and the unions tried to ruin the country. Before, we had virtually no unemployment
Simply not true.
In 1973/1974 the unemployment rate was 3.4 per cent. Can you tell me when that figure has been bettered since?"
In January 1972: Unemployment exceeded 1,000,000 for the first time since the 1930s-almost double the 582,000 who were unemployed when Edward Heath's Conservative government came to power less than two years before.
That isn't virtually no unemployment. |
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?
Do the same questions apply to the 1.26 million Britons living and working in the EU? Are they just the people that we weren't bothered about losing?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-how-many-uk-citizens-live-european-union-where-infographic-1526116
Yes but we've replaced them 5 fold, what have other countries done?
I'm sticking with your question. You answer it - were we not bothered about losing them? Or weren't you implying that people who leave one country to work in another are inferior in some way?
Not at all. I am just questioning why they are not bothered about losing them and do little to replace them?"
Have you asked them if they are not bothered about losing them or is it just your opinion that they are not bothered about losing them? I read your comment as implying that they are inferior because their home countries are not bothered about losing them, but I doubt you would have a good reason for saying that. |
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?
Do the same questions apply to the 1.26 million Britons living and working in the EU? Are they just the people that we weren't bothered about losing?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-how-many-uk-citizens-live-european-union-where-infographic-1526116
Yes but we've replaced them 5 fold, what have other countries done?
I'm sticking with your question. You answer it - were we not bothered about losing them? Or weren't you implying that people who leave one country to work in another are inferior in some way?
Not at all. I am just questioning why they are not bothered about losing them and do little to replace them?
Have you asked them if they are not bothered about losing them or is it just your opinion that they are not bothered about losing them? I read your comment as implying that they are inferior because their home countries are not bothered about losing them, but I doubt you would have a good reason for saying that."
I could name a few reasons.
Racism, intolerance, xenophobia, ignorance, self interest, blinkered.., I cannot say if anyone here is guilty of any of these traits, but they are the first which come to mind. |
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If we leave and I have to get a new cleaner to replace the Bulgarian lady I have I will be furious, she's excellent.  |
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?
Do the same questions apply to the 1.26 million Britons living and working in the EU? Are they just the people that we weren't bothered about losing?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-how-many-uk-citizens-live-european-union-where-infographic-1526116
Yes but we've replaced them 5 fold, what have other countries done?
I'm sticking with your question. You answer it - were we not bothered about losing them? Or weren't you implying that people who leave one country to work in another are inferior in some way?
Not at all. I am just questioning why they are not bothered about losing them and do little to replace them?
Have you asked them if they are not bothered about losing them or is it just your opinion that they are not bothered about losing them? I read your comment as implying that they are inferior because their home countries are not bothered about losing them, but I doubt you would have a good reason for saying that.
I could name a few reasons.
Racism, intolerance, xenophobia, ignorance, self interest, blinkered.., I cannot say if anyone here is guilty of any of these traits, but they are the first which come to mind."
Then you could be talking about yourself. I lived and worked in Spain for 5 years and own property there now so I for one am neither blinkered, xenophobic or concerned with self interest with regard to leaving. I cannot speak for others of course. And when I say other countries are not bothered by emigration well maybe I am wrong but what are they doing to discourage it and encourage immigration to their countries? |
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?
Do the same questions apply to the 1.26 million Britons living and working in the EU? Are they just the people that we weren't bothered about losing?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-how-many-uk-citizens-live-european-union-where-infographic-1526116
Yes but we've replaced them 5 fold, what have other countries done?
I'm sticking with your question. You answer it - were we not bothered about losing them? Or weren't you implying that people who leave one country to work in another are inferior in some way?
Not at all. I am just questioning why they are not bothered about losing them and do little to replace them?
Have you asked them if they are not bothered about losing them or is it just your opinion that they are not bothered about losing them? I read your comment as implying that they are inferior because their home countries are not bothered about losing them, but I doubt you would have a good reason for saying that.
I could name a few reasons.
Racism, intolerance, xenophobia, ignorance, self interest, blinkered.., I cannot say if anyone here is guilty of any of these traits, but they are the first which come to mind.
Then you could be talking about yourself. I lived and worked in Spain for 5 years and own property there now so I for one am neither blinkered, xenophobic or concerned with self interest with regard to leaving. I cannot speak for others of course. And when I say other countries are not bothered by emigration well maybe I am wrong but what are they doing to discourage it and encourage immigration to their countries?"
And I have a black friend and have been to the Middle East, so i cannot be racist. |
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Am I too late to say OUT? |
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"Why are other EU members so keen for us to stay in?
And if immigration is so good for this country and therefore any country, why aren't other EU members complaining about the numbers of people we are taking from them? Unless of course we are taking people they are not bothered about losing? Why would that be?
Do the same questions apply to the 1.26 million Britons living and working in the EU? Are they just the people that we weren't bothered about losing?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/eu-referendum-how-many-uk-citizens-live-european-union-where-infographic-1526116
Yes but we've replaced them 5 fold, what have other countries done?
I'm sticking with your question. You answer it - were we not bothered about losing them? Or weren't you implying that people who leave one country to work in another are inferior in some way?
Not at all. I am just questioning why they are not bothered about losing them and do little to replace them?
Have you asked them if they are not bothered about losing them or is it just your opinion that they are not bothered about losing them? I read your comment as implying that they are inferior because their home countries are not bothered about losing them, but I doubt you would have a good reason for saying that.
I could name a few reasons.
Racism, intolerance, xenophobia, ignorance, self interest, blinkered.., I cannot say if anyone here is guilty of any of these traits, but they are the first which come to mind.
Then you could be talking about yourself. I lived and worked in Spain for 5 years and own property there now so I for one am neither blinkered, xenophobic or concerned with self interest with regard to leaving. I cannot speak for others of course. And when I say other countries are not bothered by emigration well maybe I am wrong but what are they doing to discourage it and encourage immigration to their countries?"
So perhaps you can answer your own question. What is Spain doing to encourage immigration? What are they doing to discourage emigration? After all there are fewer Spaniards in the UK than, say, Phillippinos. |
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"If we leave and I have to get a new cleaner to replace the Bulgarian lady I have I will be furious, she's excellent. "
Project fear strikes again?  |
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"I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
Well it is Darlington "
Hey I was born there! Don't live there now though ?? |
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"If we leave and I have to get a new cleaner to replace the Bulgarian lady I have I will be furious, she's excellent.
Project fear strikes again? "
I'm terrified, tbh  |
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"I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
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The Telegraph and the ONS seems to think there are significantly more than 7 according to this report....
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11987954/Romanian-and-Bulgarian-workers-top-200000-for-first-time-say-official-figures.html |
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"I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
The Telegraph and the ONS seems to think there are significantly more than 7 according to this report....
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11987954/Romanian-and-Bulgarian-workers-top-200000-for-first-time-say-official-figures.html"
Aye the telegraph does not have a vested interest. |
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"I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
The Telegraph and the ONS seems to think there are significantly more than 7 according to this report....
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11987954/Romanian-and-Bulgarian-workers-top-200000-for-first-time-say-official-figures.html"
So that would be 28,800,000 less than UKIP's scaremongering at the Eastleigh by election? |
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"This country was a great nation before Ted Heath took us into Europe, there's no reason why we can't be great again.
No it was not. It was an unemployment ridden dump.
No it wasnt. That was after we joined and labour and the unions tried to ruin the country. Before, we had virtually no unemployment
Simply not true.
In 1973/1974 the unemployment rate was 3.4 per cent. Can you tell me when that figure has been bettered since?
Today?
What is it today?
Unemployment was at it's lowest during the two world wars. Something the EU has thoughtlessly stopped from happening, bastards. If we could have another period of global mass slaughter we could have nice low unemployment figures.
All this cooperation and peace is really uneconomic."
Its not the EU that is keeping the peace in Europe it is Nato and the UN. What the fuck did the EU do to stop the war in Yugoslavia in the 1990's???
It was the UN who had to step in and clear that mess up NOT the EU.
Also what did the EU do to stop Russia annexing Crimea from Ukraine, apart from imposing a few paltry economic sanctions and flight restrictions on russian millionaires into europe. Putin must look at the EU and think to himself, "what a joke".
The EU has failed to keep the peace in Europe, just like the euro has been a failure, and now the migrant crisis is the latest EU failure? What is the EU actually good for???
It seems to lurch from one crisis to the next, while independent countries act quickly and decisively to protect their national interests, the EU dilly dallies about talking shop for months on end while nothing actually gets done about the real problems at hand. The EU is a failed economic, political and social experiment, we are all better off out of it. |
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"I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
The Telegraph and the ONS seems to think there are significantly more than 7 according to this report....
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11987954/Romanian-and-Bulgarian-workers-top-200000-for-first-time-say-official-figures.html
So that would be 28,800,000 less than UKIP's scaremongering at the Eastleigh by election?"
28,800,000 of them have the legal right to come here though, which is what UKIP said, and there is not a thing we can do to stop any of them coming while we are members of the EU. |
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"I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
The Telegraph and the ONS seems to think there are significantly more than 7 according to this report....
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11987954/Romanian-and-Bulgarian-workers-top-200000-for-first-time-say-official-figures.html
Aye the telegraph does not have a vested interest."
Maybe so but they only quoted the office for national statistics figures. Are you saying the office for national statistics have a vested interest? |
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"I find it odd that the Brexiters are accusing the Remain campaign of a project fear, when it is Farage who suggested there would be millions of Romanians and Bulgarians would swamp us, although in the end we got about 7.
The Telegraph and the ONS seems to think there are significantly more than 7 according to this report....
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11987954/Romanian-and-Bulgarian-workers-top-200000-for-first-time-say-official-figures.html
So that would be 28,800,000 less than UKIP's scaremongering at the Eastleigh by election?
28,800,000 of them have the legal right to come here though, which is what UKIP said, and there is not a thing we can do to stop any of them coming while we are members of the EU. "
You keep on scaremongering - that's the main theme of your work here. |
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The Scaremongering is coming from David Cameron and his pet project,....the one he calls "Project Fear" which won him the Scottish referendum. The British people are already wise to it now, Cameron already showed his hand in the Scottish referendum. He can say "Leap into the dark" constantly like a parrot if he likes it will only drive more votes to the leave side. I don't often agree with Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP but she was right when she said the other day..."Cameron does'nt have a 20 point lead in the polls to squander this time". |
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"The EU has failed to keep the peace in Europe, just like the euro has been a failure, and now the migrant crisis is the latest EU failure? What is the EU actually good for???
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It seems to be very good for the UK economy which has bloomed while part of the EU |
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"The Scaremongering is coming from David Cameron and his pet project,....the one he calls "Project Fear" which won him the Scottish referendum. The British people are already wise to it now, Cameron already showed his hand in the Scottish referendum. He can say "Leap into the dark" constantly like a parrot if he likes it will only drive more votes to the leave side. I don't often agree with Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP but she was right when she said the other day..."Cameron does'nt have a 20 point lead in the polls to squander this time" "
For someone who spends half his life blindly and unthinkingly repeating UKIP propaganda it's rich for you to excuse Cameron of being a parrot. Your whole attitude is based on fear of foreigners and inability to get on with other people in the world. The leave campaign is unbelievable : it's offered nothing more than bluster and sabre rattling. I've asked many times how it's going to work if we have a Brexit and not once have you come up with anything that is the least bit viable. There's a lot of self belief but absolutely no idea of how it'll work, no concept of negotiation and what there is seems to think that being the weaker partner is a position of strength.It's madness - wreckless desire to destroy the economy of this country for senseless and ill thought out nationalism
And then when people warn you of the dangers you all go off on one like a spoilt teenagers.
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Man4you, the person on the forum who often behaves like a spoilt teenager when people disagree with him, lol.
If Brexit is so bad for Britain then why did the head of the British Chamber of Commerce back Brexit just yesterday?
The British Chamber of Commerce director General John Longworth said yesterday to the national media, "Brexit would make Britain better off".
Many businesses and entrepreneurs in the British Chamber of Commerce said their businesses were being hindered by EU red tape and if we leave the EU that EU business red tape could be cut which would enable their businesses to flourish and grow much better.
No scaremongering there, just a positive outlook for Britain outside of the EU.
Just a few days ago the ex bank of England governor Mervyn King said the Eurozone is doomed to failure. So why would we want to tie ourselves to that in any way shape or form?
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/02/28/mervyn-king-the-eurozone-is-doomed/ |
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