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 ...people lie about all sorts.
I don't think too many really spend too much time trully thinking they will die for their country. | |||
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"There's an extraordinary number of military and firemen on here "And teachers. | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " I think people who are prepared to use the uniform to try and get into people pants/knickers in the first place are pretty low..... | |||
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"There's an extraordinary number of military and firemen on here
And teachers." more than ironmongers? | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " I am not quite sure where to start there without sounding unpatriotic. | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " Oh for goodness sake, get a grip | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " A little confused! Are you saying that you agreed to have sex with him just because you thought he was a commando? Doesn't that make you as fickle as him? X | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! A little confused! Are you saying that you agreed to have sex with him just because you thought he was a commando? Doesn't that make you as fickle as him? X" I believe that such people do exist - and I've heard some of the terms used by people I know in the millitary to describe them... | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! A little confused! Are you saying that you agreed to have sex with him just because you thought he was a commando? Doesn't that make you as fickle as him? X I believe that such people do exist - and I've heard some of the terms used by people I know in the millitary to describe them..." Military groupies perhaps? X | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " Not all of them are heroes, some of them are dicks. Just like not all doctors are heroes and not all priests are saints. | |||
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"There's an extraordinary number of military and firemen on here "Agreed! Everyone is a fireman. Little do they know that my dad is ex-army and a fireman so both biiiiig turn offs  | |||
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"How do you know it's a lie?" Also I'd like this question answered please. | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " hate to piss on your fire before your beans are cooked but the number of service men and women 'willing to die' is probably zilch.. yes its accepted that it may be a possibility but only in times of conflict etc.. | |||
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"How do you know it's a lie?" 4ft 3 tall and 23 stone ? | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! A little confused! Are you saying that you agreed to have sex with him just because you thought he was a commando? Doesn't that make you as fickle as him? X I believe that such people do exist - and I've heard some of the terms used by people I know in the millitary to describe them... Military groupies perhaps? X" They are much less charming than that....  | |||
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"I think people who are prepared to use the uniform to try and get into people pants/knickers in the first place are pretty low....."  | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! A little confused! Are you saying that you agreed to have sex with him just because you thought he was a commando? Doesn't that make you as fickle as him? X I believe that such people do exist - and I've heard some of the terms used by people I know in the millitary to describe them... Military groupies perhaps? X They are much less charming than that.... "Then I'm terribly grateful I'm not one! | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! hate to piss on your fire before your beans are cooked but the number of service men and women 'willing to die' is probably zilch.. yes its accepted that it may be a possibility but only in times of conflict etc.. " I disagree. I was in the Royal Navy for 12 years and fought in the Falklands and, heaven forbid, the Cod War! (I wish someone would remember that one lol). Of course we were 'willing to die', otherwise we would have refused to go. Naturally, none of us hoped it would happen to us but, by virtue of the face we went 'willingly', knowing the possible outcome could be terminal, makes us willing. I've got pictures of me in uniform (from a long time ago) but I guess it would be a bit of a fraud to still use them now  | |||
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"I never understood why some people have a preference towards servicemen, or men of any particular occupation for that matter. Unless the seeker is of the same occupation. " Does it bother you ? People have many preferences. | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! hate to piss on your fire before your beans are cooked but the number of service men and women 'willing to die' is probably zilch.. yes its accepted that it may be a possibility but only in times of conflict etc.. I disagree. I was in the Royal Navy for 12 years and fought in the Falklands and, heaven forbid, the Cod War! (I wish someone would remember that one lol). Of course we were 'willing to die', otherwise we would have refused to go. Naturally, none of us hoped it would happen to us but, by virtue of the face we went 'willingly', knowing the possible outcome could be terminal, makes us willing. I've got pictures of me in uniform (from a long time ago) but I guess it would be a bit of a fraud to still use them now "i was in south armagh when the task force went south and served in 1 BR corps facing 3rd 'shock army' from 77, i said it was accepted it was a possibility above but dont agree with the 'willing to die' phrase the OP used.. funny enough i also did 20 plus in another uniform under a blue light where sadly occasionally some never made roll call, and whilst it was again accepted that being a fatality oneself was a possibility i never went into a job with the thought that i was 'willing to die'because basically that sort of mindset would hinder ones thought process and detract from what was needed.. i think that anyone who uses their uniform as their usp needs to look at themselves, i find it only indicates a lack of respect for the uniform when some give it big spuds about it.. maybe in their angst the OP phrased it badly.. | |||
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"I never understood why some people have a preference towards servicemen, or men of any particular occupation for that matter. Unless the seeker is of the same occupation. Does it bother you ? People have many preferences." It doesn't bother me, no. But I would like to know a little more about the preference. Is it based on the notion that military men are strong, strapping, authoritative types? | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " Real Men who were in the forces do not mention the forces full stop. | |||
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"Both of us are ex military and we love all our service men and women. It's a sad state of affairs to try and impersonate them. We've both had excellent and equally bad times while away and for someone to try to use the uniforms to get laid is just pathetic IMHO. " not often you see a military man without military tattoos Just saying | |||
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" not often you see a military man without military tattoos Just saying "Yes very true, especially special forces. But deffo not all have | |||
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"I think it's naff relying on any job to try to get laid. " Prostitutes might get away with it | |||
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"Check out the Walter Mitty Hunters club on Facebook some fine examples on there. Should be a stolen valour law against these people. Waaaaaaalts!!!!" There's been a mention in the news this week that 'Andy McNab' (SM) is supporting trying to get a law passed here that dies exactly that. It works in the US, so it's good enough for us too. | |||
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"A little confused! Are you saying that you agreed to have sex with him just because you thought he was a commando? Doesn't that make you as fickle as him? X" | |||
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"Both of us are ex military and we love all our service men and women. It's a sad state of affairs to try and impersonate them. We've both had excellent and equally bad times while away and for someone to try to use the uniforms to get laid is just pathetic IMHO. not often you see a military man without military tattoos Just saying "Yep! Guy I dated had the paratrooper wing things on his back and the sword thing with wings and the who dares wins written on it. | |||
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"*listens carefully to the sound of an oncoming bandwagon* " If you put your ear to the ground you can just hear it coming... | |||
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" 4. To those who are trying to compare things, everything is relative. Doesn't mean you shouldn't be pissed off about something just because something can be worse. Just because people get murdered doesn't mean you shouldn't find being mugged despicable. " they have my utmost respect but i dont idolise them and liken them to heroes when some of them are utter dicks. | |||
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"Both of us are ex military and we love all our service men and women. It's a sad state of affairs to try and impersonate them. We've both had excellent and equally bad times while away and for someone to try to use the uniforms to get laid is just pathetic IMHO. not often you see a military man without military tattoos Just saying "That's because I'm the one taking the photos. The only ones I'm in are the pov ones. As for tatts yes I have them but I was always against getting ones that didn't mean anything. The ones I have are personal and mean something to me | |||
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"I never understood why some people have a preference towards servicemen, or men of any particular occupation for that matter. Unless the seeker is of the same occupation. Does it bother you ? People have many preferences. It doesn't bother me, no. But I would like to know a little more about the preference. Is it based on the notion that military men are strong, strapping, authoritative types? " I never had a preference for military guys I just liked tall handsome guys with big dicks but then I met one on a night out. Didn't know what he did when we first exchanged numbers but after I met him again I knew he was in the armed forces. For me it was his accent, even though he was welsh he had like an unusual accent that was lovely and I liked listening to all his experiences. Liked the way he held himself and his attitude. Just liked him a lot a lot! | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! I think people who are prepared to use the uniform to try and get into people pants/knickers in the first place are pretty low....." Well I was in the Boys Brigade (Moto: Steadfast and Sure) I've got no shame | |||
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"My uniform has had blood vomit faeces urine and lots of other things on it... Trust me uniforms aren't sexy when you have to wear one "Was told my old uniform was sexy when I worked in a prison was just black trousers white shirt and a G4S fleece! New job and I can actually wear shorts and t shirt or jogging bottoms, again I have a fleece! Fucking fleeces, think it's the person rather than the uniform. | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! hate to piss on your fire before your beans are cooked but the number of service men and women 'willing to die' is probably zilch.. yes its accepted that it may be a possibility but only in times of conflict etc.. I disagree. I was in the Royal Navy for 12 years and fought in the Falklands and, heaven forbid, the Cod War! (I wish someone would remember that one lol). Of course we were 'willing to die', otherwise we would have refused to go. Naturally, none of us hoped it would happen to us but, by virtue of the face we went 'willingly', knowing the possible outcome could be terminal, makes us willing. I've got pictures of me in uniform (from a long time ago) but I guess it would be a bit of a fraud to still use them now "Uncle Albert? | |||
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"Both of us are ex military and we love all our service men and women. It's a sad state of affairs to try and impersonate them. We've both had excellent and equally bad times while away and for someone to try to use the uniforms to get laid is just pathetic IMHO. not often you see a military man without military tattoos Just saying
Yep! Guy I dated had the paratrooper wing things on his back and the sword thing with wings and the who dares wins written on it.
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"There's an extraordinary number of military and firemen on here
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) and the person is more important than the uniform.
But I like the discipline, the banter, the way they carry themselves and they are fit and strong as well as normally well groomed.
And yes you only have to have a night out in a military town to see that they can be dicks, but it doesn't stop me respecting the work they do in their professional capacity | |||
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"I've met a few from the military and seen them in there uniform ,and all have been so respectful and polite ,I've up most respect for them ,some are now good friends of mine ,not come across no fake ones ,I'm a military brat so I know a fake one a mile off .... "I could probably spot a fake one too, having lived in a garrison town | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " People lie about all sorts of things to get laid. No difference here. | |||
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"Did he say he was the lieutenant of love?" Post of the day award ! | |||
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"... sorry what was the question?
..."Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform? Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform | |||
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform "having a snog in an astronauts kit must be frustrating.. | |||
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"... sorry what was the question?
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform "Got to be out of uniform, what is the point of having muscles if you cover them in surge? | |||
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"... sorry what was the question?
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform
having a snog in an astronauts kit must be frustrating..
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"... sorry what was the question?
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform
having a snog in an astronauts kit must be frustrating..
Ah, but it has its rewards; effortless, zero-gravity sex "can one hear a 'fanny fart' or normal farts in zero gravity..? | |||
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"... sorry what was the question?
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform
having a snog in an astronauts kit must be frustrating..
Ah, but it has its rewards; effortless, zero-gravity sex "Zero gravity sex would be very difficult... | |||
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"... sorry what was the question?
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform
having a snog in an astronauts kit must be frustrating..
Ah, but it has its rewards; effortless, zero-gravity sex "Dont think there is any way to get bits together if you are in space suits. but I wonder if any have tried it on a space flight? | |||
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform
having a snog in an astronauts kit must be frustrating..
Ah, but it has its rewards; effortless, zero-gravity sex
Dont think there is any way to get bits together if you are in space suits. but I wonder if any have tried it on a space flight?"given the way that water looks to float about and any potential issue's with that i reckon they have strict protocols on knocking one out.. 
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"... sorry what was the question?
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform
having a snog in an astronauts kit must be frustrating..
Ah, but it has its rewards; effortless, zero-gravity sex
Dont think there is any way to get bits together if you are in space suits. but I wonder if any have tried it on a space flight?"Oh, so space-docking or an air-lock is not what I thought it was 
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"I think it's wrong of people to say they're dolphin trainers to get laid" bet in Florida etc there's loads of them.. in Australia it'll be cute abandoned baby Koala feeders.. | |||
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"... sorry what was the question?
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform
having a snog in an astronauts kit must be frustrating..
Ah, but it has its rewards; effortless, zero-gravity sex
Dont think there is any way to get bits together if you are in space suits. but I wonder if any have tried it on a space flight?
given the way that water looks to float about and any potential issue's with that i reckon they have strict protocols on knocking one out..
if one were that way inclined.."Safe-sex; condoms; what did you think those were for? | |||
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"... sorry what was the question?
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Do astronauts 'do' squaddies in uniform or out of uniform?
Squaddie uniform, not astronaut uniform
having a snog in an astronauts kit must be frustrating..
Ah, but it has its rewards; effortless, zero-gravity sex
Dont think there is any way to get bits together if you are in space suits. but I wonder if any have tried it on a space flight?
given the way that water looks to float about and any potential issue's with that i reckon they have strict protocols on knocking one out..
if one were that way inclined..
Safe-sex; condoms; what did you think those were for? "inflating upon ones head on rugby club do's..? although probably better than a sock one would surmise.. | |||
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"I'm not really keen on military types. Usually." I've been in a few marines | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! I think people who are prepared to use the uniform to try and get into people pants/knickers in the first place are pretty low....." Agree Like seriously as if uniform matters, its the person that counts when meeting surely | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " panties are you American ?   | |||
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"Both of us are ex military and we love all our service men and women. It's a sad state of affairs to try and impersonate them. We've both had excellent and equally bad times while away and for someone to try to use the uniforms to get laid is just pathetic IMHO. not often you see a military man without military tattoos Just saying
That's because I'm the one taking the photos. The only ones I'm in are the pov ones. As for tatts yes I have them but I was always against getting ones that didn't mean anything. The ones I have are personal and mean something to me "Ahhhhh; so that is another man with your wife in your pics, just checking, not a lot passes me by, just kinda curious as to why you feel the need to tell everyone you are military though | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! I think people who are prepared to use the uniform to try and get into people pants/knickers in the first place are pretty low....." I occasionally use a baggage handlers uniform, but sadly no takers. You will get fakers in all walk of life, just a shame it happens. | |||
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"Check out the Walter Mitty Hunters club on Facebook some fine examples on there. Should be a stolen valour law against these people. Waaaaaaalts!!!!" Agreed ! | |||
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"I don't know about others but my experience of being in uniform is that in any naval port or garrison town being known to in the services was the kiss of death with the locals. As soon as we had the chance we ditched our uniforms and headed for places where no one knew we were in the mob and hoped our haircuts didn't give us away. But then I did my 5 years 207 days between Feb 76 and Nov 82, things could be different today but I doubt it. "Let's face it back then you couldn't wear the uniform when not in the garrison. Besides did you ever tell a girl you were chatting up you were HMF ? I use to say I was a bricklayer ! | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. " There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed..." wow that if true is soooooo ridiculous  | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed..." Who told you that myth? | |||
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"Both of us are ex military and we love all our service men and women. It's a sad state of affairs to try and impersonate them. We've both had excellent and equally bad times while away and for someone to try to use the uniforms to get laid is just pathetic IMHO. not often you see a military man without military tattoos Just saying "To be fair when I was in and a girl was talking to you in a club... And ask what you did for a living the most common answer was Dolphin trainer Or Underwater fireman And always use your mates name not your own ! | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? " If someone gives you consent due to a lie that you've fed them then that could be considered sexual assault. | |||
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"Both of us are ex military and we love all our service men and women. It's a sad state of affairs to try and impersonate them. We've both had excellent and equally bad times while away and for someone to try to use the uniforms to get laid is just pathetic IMHO. not often you see a military man without military tattoos Just saying "Yes it is. | |||
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"We get people claiming to be soldiers .the fact we are against the wars happening at the moment puts an end to their quest for a meet. also lots of firemen.they include pics of them in thier fire kit. Kit which hasn't been used for years or obviously fancy dress." Just because your against wars doesn't mean you need to dismiss a guy who is in the forces... I never chose a war just a career to feel proud to have served my country and my freinds. I've been out a few years now but still proud to be ex Army. I've also worked as private military security But now I'm now a tree surgeon working for myself. | |||
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"I served in the Battle of Hastings, honest I did" Liar!!!!! You clearly don't have a tattoo about it. Just saying | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? If someone gives you consent due to a lie that you've fed them then that could be considered sexual assault." Personally I think things like this take away from actual cases of sexual assault or rape. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? If someone gives you consent due to a lie that you've fed them then that could be considered sexual assault. Personally I think things like this take away from actual cases of sexual assault or rape. " Agreed! And if someone sleeps with someone simply because they're rich or belong to a certain profession then I think that's beyond crass tbh! Rather revolting! | |||
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"Why would you fuck someone just because he is in the army or the fire brigade? Shows what air headed bints there are around." Have to concur - though I wouldn't use the same wording! X | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? If someone gives you consent due to a lie that you've fed them then that could be considered sexual assault. Personally I think things like this take away from actual cases of sexual assault or rape. " The problem is, where does a lie become "bad enough"? - I got an A at A-Levels - I own a ferrari - I'm not married - I'm a famous footballer - I didn't fuck your Mum - I don't have a mental illness related to sex - I've never been to prison for assault - I've never been convicted of sexual assault - I don't have HIV At which point did the lie become serious? | |||
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"Unfortunately there is stolen valour in all walks of life. The worst are the military themselves who declare that they were in a better regiment than they were or that their particular regiment had a super secret specialist unit attached to SF normally via the NAAFI. " Only if they were remfs lol I'm proud of my old unit | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? If someone gives you consent due to a lie that you've fed them then that could be considered sexual assault. Personally I think things like this take away from actual cases of sexual assault or rape. The problem is, where does a lie become "bad enough"? - I got an A at A-Levels - I own a ferrari - I'm not married - I'm a famous footballer - I didn't fuck your Mum - I don't have a mental illness related to sex - I've never been to prison for assault - I've never been convicted of sexual assault - I don't have HIV At which point did the lie become serious?" Perhaps my definition of a sexual assault is different but I don't see that any of those relate to a sexual assault. Perhaps that's because I've been in the very fortunate position of not having dealt with sexual assault so I am maybe naive to it I don't know. That's what I like about the forums, always something to get you thinking. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? If someone gives you consent due to a lie that you've fed them then that could be considered sexual assault. Personally I think things like this take away from actual cases of sexual assault or rape. The problem is, where does a lie become "bad enough"? - I got an A at A-Levels - I own a ferrari - I'm not married - I'm a famous footballer - I didn't fuck your Mum - I don't have a mental illness related to sex - I've never been to prison for assault - I've never been convicted of sexual assault - I don't have HIV At which point did the lie become serious? Perhaps my definition of a sexual assault is different but I don't see that any of those relate to a sexual assault. Perhaps that's because I've been in the very fortunate position of not having dealt with sexual assault so I am maybe naive to it I don't know. That's what I like about the forums, always something to get you thinking. " The last one could certainly be considered sexual assault. Having sex with someone and not informing them that you have a sexually transmitted infection has been considered assault in the past. The rest... well... circumstances. A fair few of those, if I knew that thing about them, then I wouldn't have sex with them. Therefore I have given consent under the conditions of a lie - and if I knew the truth I wouldn't have given consent. It's not ok to lie to have sex with people. And if someone wouldn't have had sex with you if you'd not lied, then I personally believe that's sexual assault. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? " Why is it a myth, just because you don't know about it doesn't make it a myth! Obviously the latest well known case was that of Gayle Newland the woman jailed for 8 years for rape. She pretended to be a man to have sec with a woman... Maybe you should head up her appeal team on the grounds she was prosecuted under a myth. I'm sure the judge and both legal teams will be devastated to hear that they missed that during their long court case... | |||
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"People lie about all sorts of things to facilitate a bunk up. If someone advertises themselves to me as forces or ex forces, I generally feel the need to mildly interrogate to ensure we never served together. Really don't want "Is that you Ma'am? You've changed a bit" "Oooooh ma'am!!! Can I call you ma'am next time!! | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " he pretends to be a member of the forces you pretend to be a woman it's swings and roundabouts | |||
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"People lie about all sorts of things to facilitate a bunk up. If someone advertises themselves to me as forces or ex forces, I generally feel the need to mildly interrogate to ensure we never served together. Really don't want "Is that you Ma'am? You've changed a bit"
Oooooh ma'am!!! Can I call you ma'am next time!! "If you think guys are lying about stuff like this ,look up details of the subject and then.ask them questions if they seem bad at knowledge there probably lying xx | |||
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"People lie about all sorts of things to facilitate a bunk up. If someone advertises themselves to me as forces or ex forces, I generally feel the need to mildly interrogate to ensure we never served together. Really don't want "Is that you Ma'am? You've changed a bit"
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? If someone gives you consent due to a lie that you've fed them then that could be considered sexual assault. Personally I think things like this take away from actual cases of sexual assault or rape. " they are talking crap. this is no where near sexual assault. one of them doesnt even think sexual assault should be stopped with force. there are numerous men on here dressing up as women for a start,t=now that is a lie to think if a man fucks a woman for the only reason of him being a pilot or whatever and she claims rape she will be laughed out of court. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? Why is it a myth, just because you don't know about it doesn't make it a myth! Obviously the latest well known case was that of Gayle Newland the woman jailed for 8 years for rape. She pretended to be a man to have sec with a woman... Maybe you should head up her appeal team on the grounds she was prosecuted under a myth. I'm sure the judge and both legal teams will be devastated to hear that they missed that during their long court case... "oh the old rolly eyes ,i bow to your knowledge claiming to a wench a shim a him or whatever mix of cock and tits you want to be know as is not the same as 'oh im an astronaut,fancy a shag' 'you are not an astronaut,you ahve raped me' hahaha whoaah there goes a pig flying over my house | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? Why is it a myth, just because you don't know about it doesn't make it a myth! Obviously the latest well known case was that of Gayle Newland the woman jailed for 8 years for rape. She pretended to be a man to have sec with a woman... Maybe you should head up her appeal team on the grounds she was prosecuted under a myth. I'm sure the judge and both legal teams will be devastated to hear that they missed that during their long court case...
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" they are talking crap. this is no where near sexual assault. one of them doesnt even think sexual assault should be stopped with force. there are numerous men on here dressing up as women for a start,t=now that is a lie to think if a man fucks a woman for the only reason of him being a pilot or whatever and she claims rape she will be laughed out of court." 1. You are correct. In another thread I said it wasn't acceptable to punch someone in a swingers club in response to someone touching your wife. 2. Those who are TV/TS/TG on this site don't lie about being a woman. They are quite open as to if they are crossdressers or trans individuals. There's no lie. 3. Actually I don't think she would be laughed at by the CPS. I think it would be addressed seriously, if there was a good reason for her to have not wanted to sleep with him if he had be honest. Thankfully we are moving into an era where more things are considered sexual assault (and not just a compliment), and where things are dealt with through legal systems rather than through violence. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... Who told you that myth? If someone gives you consent due to a lie that you've fed them then that could be considered sexual assault. Personally I think things like this take away from actual cases of sexual assault or rape. The problem is, where does a lie become "bad enough"? - I got an A at A-Levels - I own a ferrari - I'm not married - I'm a famous footballer - I didn't fuck your Mum - I don't have a mental illness related to sex - I've never been to prison for assault - I've never been convicted of sexual assault - I don't have HIV At which point did the lie become serious?" The last two points | |||
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" I disagree. I was in the Royal Navy for 12 years and fought in the Falklands and, heaven forbid, the Cod War! (I wish someone would remember that one lol)" I dont remember the Cod war but i do know about it and knew a number of fisherman in the north east that still went out on their boats in the 80's with shotguns and rifles and with good reason. Thankyou for your service | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed..." With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent." If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent." Hence why only a man can be charged with rape, whilst women get charged with sexual assault. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened." This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. " I wasn't talking about people stopping and searching you int he street. And yes, in consent you can withdraw consent *after* you've had sex, if you have reason to. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened." This is where the waters muddy though isn't it? Removal of consent after the event? What is to stop a person crying rape simply because they are embarrassed by the other party not being as in to them as they are etc? Where does the burden of proof lie? | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. This is where the waters muddy though isn't it? Removal of consent after the event? What is to stop a person crying rape simply because they are embarrassed by the other party not being as in to them as they are etc? Where does the burden of proof lie? " They can withdraw consent - but they would have to give a good case as to *why* they have withdrawn consent. "He didn't think I was hot" is not likely to fly with the CPS. "He was (STI) positive" might fly with the CPS. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. This is where the waters muddy though isn't it? Removal of consent after the event? What is to stop a person crying rape simply because they are embarrassed by the other party not being as in to them as they are etc? Where does the burden of proof lie? They can withdraw consent - but they would have to give a good case as to *why* they have withdrawn consent. "He didn't think I was hot" is not likely to fly with the CPS. "He was (STI) positive" might fly with the CPS." I believe the legal term is "Consent obtained by deception". | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. This is where the waters muddy though isn't it? Removal of consent after the event? What is to stop a person crying rape simply because they are embarrassed by the other party not being as in to them as they are etc? Where does the burden of proof lie? They can withdraw consent - but they would have to give a good case as to *why* they have withdrawn consent. "He didn't think I was hot" is not likely to fly with the CPS. "He was (STI) positive" might fly with the CPS." But I could quite easily turn round and say that a meet got me d*unk and took advantage of me when in fact I was stone cold sober and fucked him willingly, he just pissed me off afterwards....how can he prove otherwise? | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. I wasn't talking about people stopping and searching you int he street. And yes, in consent you can withdraw consent *after* you've had sex, if you have reason to." Only if you can be declared as not being of sound mind and body to give consent at the time of initiating sex. If it's because you've been deceived by somebody based on their occupation, it will not hold up to intense cross-examination in any court. Something similar was tried in America, albeit he crept into her room whilst she was sleeping and had sex whilst allegedly deceiving her to be the boyfriend, based upon a Californian law in 1872 which criminalised acts such as this, declared as rape by fraud. It was over ruled when the convict took it to appeal. It's a farce if any of these cases ever prosecute. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. This is where the waters muddy though isn't it? Removal of consent after the event? What is to stop a person crying rape simply because they are embarrassed by the other party not being as in to them as they are etc? Where does the burden of proof lie? " And therein lies one of the difficult issues concerning rape, and its prosecution ..... Whilst it is entirely valid that " consent" can be withdrawn after the event ( for legitimate reasons), there is a borderline between that and simply "changing an opinion , or " I wish I had not done that"..... | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. This is where the waters muddy though isn't it? Removal of consent after the event? What is to stop a person crying rape simply because they are embarrassed by the other party not being as in to them as they are etc? Where does the burden of proof lie? " The burden of proof, as dictated by law and the cps, lies with the prosecution to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the defendant has committed the act to which he is being prosecuted. However, does this practice always happen, or is there already a prejudice against a defendant in the dock? | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. This is where the waters muddy though isn't it? Removal of consent after the event? What is to stop a person crying rape simply because they are embarrassed by the other party not being as in to them as they are etc? Where does the burden of proof lie? The burden of proof, as dictated by law and the cps, lies with the prosecution to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the defendant has committed the act to which he is being prosecuted. However, does this practice always happen, or is there already a prejudice against a defendant in the dock? " I was a juror on a rape case and the very in depth discussions we had were all about avoiding a guilty result because we couldnt be totally sure he was guilty. | |||
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" This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. " You can not consent to a search by police. There must be legal grounds to search you. If a police officer had legal grounds to search you, they can detain you for the purpose of search and if necessary search you by force... There is no concent for you to withdraw... | |||
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"The idea that someone can at one time freely consent, agree to sexual intercourse and then at some point later, withdraw consent is fanciful. How can you possibly withdraw consent for something that has already occurred? .." A person consents if he or she agrees by choice and has freedom and capacity to make that choice. Therefore if the person does not have any real choice in the matter, or their choice is not genuine exercise of their free will then they have not consented". Reasons why consent cannot be given might be for eg if the person was ASLEEP If the person was incapacitated due to drink or drugs If the person was being held against their will If the person was in fear of her assailant. " What if they gave permission to have sex with them whilst they are asleep? | |||
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"The idea that someone can at one time freely consent, agree to sexual intercourse and then at some point later, withdraw consent is fanciful. How can you possibly withdraw consent for something that has already occurred? .." A person consents if he or she agrees by choice and has freedom and capacity to make that choice. Therefore if the person does not have any real choice in the matter, or their choice is not genuine exercise of their free will then they have not consented". Reasons why consent cannot be given might be for eg if the person was ASLEEP If the person was incapacitated due to drink or drugs If the person was being held against their will If the person was in fear of her assailant. What if they gave permission to have sex with them whilst they are asleep?" It would be a foolish man who knobs someone whilst they are asleep. Similarly, it would be a foolish man who would go home with a d*unken woman and then have sex with her ..and yet people do it all the time every weekend. A d*unk cannot reasonably be considered as being able to consent. No consent=rape,,simples.. | |||
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" This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. You can not consent to a search by police. There must be legal grounds to search you. If a police officer had legal grounds to search you, they can detain you for the purpose of search and if necessary search you by force... There is no concent for you to withdraw... " Exactly the point I was trying to make. Although a PCSO does not have the same powers as a regular police officer. Unless they have changed in the recent years. | |||
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" 6. I'm pretty sure there is a law against impersonating certain professions like police, army, doctor, nurse, lawyer etc while this isn't obviously serious my point is that it's considered very bad legally. There are laws against impersonating certain professions. However in this case the offence could be rape... I.E... If two women are in a bar chatting and one tells the other she only sleeps with airline pilots. A guy overhears, approaches them and slips into the conversation that he is an airline pilot. The woman sleeps with him. He is guilty of rape... So be careful about lying to get someone in to bed... With respect , that is absolute rubbish. The sexual offences Act 2003 section 1 (1) A person (A) commits an offence if; (a) He intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (b) with his penis. (b) B does not consent to the penetration and (c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents. Rape is simply about penetration, consent and the free will to consent. If A tells a lie and B consents based on that lie, B may reasonably withdraw their consent after penetration has happened. This is where the waters muddy though isn't it? Removal of consent after the event? What is to stop a person crying rape simply because they are embarrassed by the other party not being as in to them as they are etc? Where does the burden of proof lie? The burden of proof, as dictated by law and the cps, lies with the prosecution to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the defendant has committed the act to which he is being prosecuted. However, does this practice always happen, or is there already a prejudice against a defendant in the dock? I was a juror on a rape case and the very in depth discussions we had were all about avoiding a guilty result because we couldnt be totally sure he was guilty." Thank you for the insight. It is appreciative to hear of the experiences some people have with regards to jury service. | |||
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" This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. You can not consent to a search by police. There must be legal grounds to search you. If a police officer had legal grounds to search you, they can detain you for the purpose of search and if necessary search you by force... There is no concent for you to withdraw... Exactly the point I was trying to make. Although a PCSO does not have the same powers as a regular police officer. Unless they have changed in the recent years. " If the PCSO lied to you that they had a power to search you, the drugs offences would probably be thrown out of court if it ever got that far. Although it would be under totally different legislation to rape, you only let them search you as they mis-lead you into thinking it was correct. You wouldn't let a random stranger go through your pockets unless they either had a knife to you or deceived you into thinking that they had a lawful power to do so... | |||
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" This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. You can not consent to a search by police. There must be legal grounds to search you. If a police officer had legal grounds to search you, they can detain you for the purpose of search and if necessary search you by force... There is no concent for you to withdraw... Exactly the point I was trying to make. Although a PCSO does not have the same powers as a regular police officer. Unless they have changed in the recent years. If the PCSO lied to you that they had a power to search you, the drugs offences would probably be thrown out of court if it ever got that far. Although it would be under totally different legislation to rape, you only let them search you as they mis-lead you into thinking it was correct. You wouldn't let a random stranger go through your pockets unless they either had a knife to you or deceived you into thinking that they had a lawful power to do so... " I believe there is a misunderstanding between our points. Taken from the Nottinghamshire PCSO pamphlet and taken out of table format. A PCSO can ask you for the consent to search your person, please see the relevant PCSO stop and search pamphlets in order to corroborate. That is why I made the point of withdrawal of consent after the fact. They can also ask for your consent to search alcohol or alcoholic containers and tobacco or cigarette papers. It goes onto confirm other stop and search powers they may have to utilise but most of which will be irrelevant to the current notion. | |||
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" This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. You can not consent to a search by police. There must be legal grounds to search you. If a police officer had legal grounds to search you, they can detain you for the purpose of search and if necessary search you by force... There is no concent for you to withdraw... Exactly the point I was trying to make. Although a PCSO does not have the same powers as a regular police officer. Unless they have changed in the recent years. If the PCSO lied to you that they had a power to search you, the drugs offences would probably be thrown out of court if it ever got that far. Although it would be under totally different legislation to rape, you only let them search you as they mis-lead you into thinking it was correct. You wouldn't let a random stranger go through your pockets unless they either had a knife to you or deceived you into thinking that they had a lawful power to do so... I believe there is a misunderstanding between our points. Taken from the Nottinghamshire PCSO pamphlet and taken out of table format. A PCSO can ask you for the consent to search your person, please see the relevant PCSO stop and search pamphlets in order to corroborate. That is why I made the point of withdrawal of consent after the fact. They can also ask for your consent to search alcohol or alcoholic containers and tobacco or cigarette papers. It goes onto confirm other stop and search powers they may have to utilise but most of which will be irrelevant to the current notion. " Right, sorry, I get what you are saying now. As far as I can tell, they have powers to search under 18's for alcohol, tabacco and papers. As you say they also have other limited powers of search. I can't find anything about asking consent... So if an under 18 was searched for alcohol and drugs were found, that would be tough luck as they can seize the drugs... Obviously anyone can ask to search you, like anyone can ask you to hop on one leg... Quite a few companies use this, they try to make you think they have more rights and powers, like security and bailiffs... However this is still different from using deception to obtain sextet. | |||
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" This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. You can not consent to a search by police. There must be legal grounds to search you. If a police officer had legal grounds to search you, they can detain you for the purpose of search and if necessary search you by force... There is no concent for you to withdraw... Exactly the point I was trying to make. Although a PCSO does not have the same powers as a regular police officer. Unless they have changed in the recent years. If the PCSO lied to you that they had a power to search you, the drugs offences would probably be thrown out of court if it ever got that far. Although it would be under totally different legislation to rape, you only let them search you as they mis-lead you into thinking it was correct. You wouldn't let a random stranger go through your pockets unless they either had a knife to you or deceived you into thinking that they had a lawful power to do so... I believe there is a misunderstanding between our points. Taken from the Nottinghamshire PCSO pamphlet and taken out of table format. A PCSO can ask you for the consent to search your person, please see the relevant PCSO stop and search pamphlets in order to corroborate. That is why I made the point of withdrawal of consent after the fact. They can also ask for your consent to search alcohol or alcoholic containers and tobacco or cigarette papers. It goes onto confirm other stop and search powers they may have to utilise but most of which will be irrelevant to the current notion. Right, sorry, I get what you are saying now. As far as I can tell, they have powers to search under 18's for alcohol, tabacco and papers. As you say they also have other limited powers of search. I can't find anything about asking consent... So if an under 18 was searched for alcohol and drugs were found, that would be tough luck as they can seize the drugs... Obviously anyone can ask to search you, like anyone can ask you to hop on one leg... Quite a few companies use this, they try to make you think they have more rights and powers, like security and bailiffs... However this is still different from using deception to obtain sextet. " Yes, the drugs will be seized and they then have power to detain and search further of illegal substances are found. I understand that deception is different but I was trying to compare the withdrawal of consent being a nonsensical ideology after the act has happened. Unless the circumstances as previous posters have elaborated. I've thoroughly enjoyed this to and fro with regards to this subject. Thank you | |||
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" This is rubbish. Try to put this into the context of normal daily life. Let's go with a PCSO search of your person. They find something illegal like drugs and then you tell them they have no consent to search you. Would this really hold up in any criminal investigation? Take a seat and consider the connotations of what you are implying. You can not consent to a search by police. There must be legal grounds to search you. If a police officer had legal grounds to search you, they can detain you for the purpose of search and if necessary search you by force... There is no concent for you to withdraw... Exactly the point I was trying to make. Although a PCSO does not have the same powers as a regular police officer. Unless they have changed in the recent years. If the PCSO lied to you that they had a power to search you, the drugs offences would probably be thrown out of court if it ever got that far. Although it would be under totally different legislation to rape, you only let them search you as they mis-lead you into thinking it was correct. You wouldn't let a random stranger go through your pockets unless they either had a knife to you or deceived you into thinking that they had a lawful power to do so... I believe there is a misunderstanding between our points. Taken from the Nottinghamshire PCSO pamphlet and taken out of table format. A PCSO can ask you for the consent to search your person, please see the relevant PCSO stop and search pamphlets in order to corroborate. That is why I made the point of withdrawal of consent after the fact. They can also ask for your consent to search alcohol or alcoholic containers and tobacco or cigarette papers. It goes onto confirm other stop and search powers they may have to utilise but most of which will be irrelevant to the current notion. Right, sorry, I get what you are saying now. As far as I can tell, they have powers to search under 18's for alcohol, tabacco and papers. As you say they also have other limited powers of search. I can't find anything about asking consent... So if an under 18 was searched for alcohol and drugs were found, that would be tough luck as they can seize the drugs... Obviously anyone can ask to search you, like anyone can ask you to hop on one leg... Quite a few companies use this, they try to make you think they have more rights and powers, like security and bailiffs... However this is still different from using deception to obtain sextet. Yes, the drugs will be seized and they then have power to detain and search further of illegal substances are found. I understand that deception is different but I was trying to compare the withdrawal of consent being a nonsensical ideology after the act has happened. Unless the circumstances as previous posters have elaborated. I've thoroughly enjoyed this to and fro with regards to this subject. Thank you "It's been an enjoyable debate... | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! Not all of them are heroes, some of them are dicks. Just like not all doctors are heroes and not all priests are saints. " A bit too close to the line there, IMFO. | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " I know. I get inundated by women in maid's or nurse's uniforms and I feel so cheated when it turns out they're just hairdressers or nail technicians dressed up | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! I know. I get inundated by women in maid's or nurse's uniforms and I feel so cheated when it turns out they're just hairdressers or nail technicians dressed up " | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! Not all of them are heroes, some of them are dicks. Just like not all doctors are heroes and not all priests are saints" Isn't there a song about that? | |||
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"Just had a guy lie that he was a Royal Marine Commando to get into my panties. I'm absolutely disgusted. It's so disrespectful to our men and women in uniform who are ACTUALLY willing to die for this country. They are heroes! This guy is a disgrace and should be ashamed of himself! " Never trust a bootneck Airborne always. | |||
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"men in uniform do nothing for me "Me too | |||
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"Check out the Walter Mitty Hunters club on Facebook some fine examples on there. Should be a stolen valour law against these people. Waaaaaaalts!!!! Agreed !" | |||
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"People lie about all sorts of things to facilitate a bunk up. If someone advertises themselves to me as forces or ex forces, I generally feel the need to mildly interrogate to ensure we never served together. Really don't want "Is that you Ma'am? You've changed a bit" " | |||
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"After 24 years in the Infantry I do get a good pension. More lasting reminders are fucked up knees and upper back from carrying a bergen which use to weigh a ton. Anyone who has done the job knows there is nothing to brag about. Good on them who join up. Its a great life but once you get to middle age you realise it has left its mark. Either physically or in many cases mentally. All these Walt's need a good slap." That's why I joined the Navy, they gave us a ship to carry all our stuff | |||
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