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Yet another gun Ramage in the USA..
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Shocking.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35666108
Every nation in the world deals with some sort of unpleasant issue with no easily implemented answer.. It just seems ridiculous the united states can't decide upon some sort of uniform gun restriction / federal law to minimise or even completely stop incidents like the one in the article from becoming so routine.
Sad, rip to the victims.
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"we have gun control here but will still get shootings on a regular basis, how many guns are there in usa it would take years, as even here ww2 weapons are still around in backs of cupboards"
Search your cupboards folks, i'm in the market for a mauser...i wanna convert it to a dl44 blaster pistol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If someone could put forward a logical and decent reason for ordinary citizens to own guns, then yeah ok, but the fact that the arguments for gun ownership are largely based on fear and paranoia, its a little hard to take seriously, I can understand, say someone keeping a pistol for home protection, but I've seen programs where there are people with assault rifles for home security.
I think if people are goo.g to have guns, then they should be licensed, an have to undergo a test, we don't let people drive cars without proper instruction, and competent user tests, so it seams crazy to let any idiot with the cash loose with a gun, they should also be psychology profiled and assessment made every year of physical, mental, and competence.
It won't stop all the killings, but it would go a long way to stop morons owning deadly weapons.
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Actually there are not enough firearm licensed individuals in the UK and we have an over-run of deer which is getting very dangerous up in Scotland, especially on the A9 where you get large red deer crossing at last minute writing off cars and in some cases causing fatalities.
Police rely on some firearm licensed owners to be called out to humanly put down a deer in these circumstances and the time taken from calling round owners to actually getting someone on site can take a few hours.
We are sending soldiers to war and many have extremely limited firearm experience, some are lucky if they have shot a couple of dozen rounds at a standing target then they are sent into hostile situations.
When police visit homes to inspect firearms they have no idea how to handle or "make safe" a more complicated firearm, and even more limited experience on how to handle a hand gun to ensure it is in a make safe position for handling.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I quite like living in a country where guns are rare. Scotland may be the exception but most of the UK there is no space for any more high powered rifles.
The situation in the USA is sad, it seems to be a fairly regular event for members of the public to get shot, usually not in killing sprees though. and frequently it appears it is tribal territory issues, gangs etc. which banning guns would do nothing to alleviate. it makes me sad for the human race when I see countries that appear to be prosperous still having populations that think violence is an answer. |
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By *irceWoman
over a year ago
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The bad guys have easy access to guns in the UK and this country is in for a real shock when that baby arises...
Normal helpless folk..at the mercy of all, no self help no being able to protect yourself, but of course a sharp fork can be deadly.
For a country so against weapons for personal use to be a world leader trading in arms seems a tad strange, but then who am i to even think about this.
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"Actually there are not enough firearm licensed individuals in the UK and we have an over-run of deer which is getting very dangerous up in Scotland, especially on the A9 where you get large red deer crossing at last minute writing off cars and in some cases causing fatalities.
Police rely on some firearm licensed owners to be called out to humanly put down a deer in these circumstances and the time taken from calling round owners to actually getting someone on site can take a few hours.
We are sending soldiers to war and many have extremely limited firearm experience, some are lucky if they have shot a couple of dozen rounds at a standing target then they are sent into hostile situations.
When police visit homes to inspect firearms they have no idea how to handle or "make safe" a more complicated firearm, and even more limited experience on how to handle a hand gun to ensure it is in a make safe position for handling.
just my two pence "
Couple of things I disagree with.
Soldiers fire thousands of rounds before being sent on active duty, there are certain standards of marksmanship that have to be achieved.
The police representatives that inspect peoples homes for licensing are registered firearms owners themselves and have huge experience with most types of gun.
There are no 'complicated' firearms to confuse them, its either shotguns or bolt action rifles. Also if a gun isn't in a safe state when they do their inspection there's a good chance it'll be removed along with all the other firearms and ammunition anyway. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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An outright ban on firearms in the states would have some affects obviously but I honestly think it's a little more complicated over there.
The US is a deeply divided place right now. It's not quite south Africa, but it's getting there! |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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If a weapon is in someone's hand chances are they will use it. A fist can be A weapon as a knife can be. But guns have the potential to inflict multiple casualties in a short space of time.
I think gun control does keep streets safer as fewer people have access to more dangerous weapons. It's probably too late to ban guns entirety in the USA but I do think background checks need to be tighter and more restrictions in place.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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With gun control then the only people with guns are the govt law enforcement and the military and of course the criminal classes. So no defense when those people turn on you.
Interesting that all the recent mass killings in the States and France have happened in gun free zones. Those killers maybe not so crazy after all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The bad guys have easy access to guns in the UK and this country is in for a real shock when that baby arises...
Normal helpless folk..at the mercy of all, no self help no being able to protect yourself, but of course a sharp fork can be deadly.
For a country so against weapons for personal use to be a world leader trading in arms seems a tad strange, but then who am i to even think about this.
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What if the bad guys want your legally owned guns, to sell to other bad guys, they know you have guns in the house, how do you think they are going to do to stop you shooting them? they are going to either take a family member at gun point, or shoot you first, they have the element if surprise on their side, and waking up to a .22 calibre bullet shredding your vital organs is going to be worse than being robed. |
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"Couple of things I disagree with.
Soldiers fire thousands of rounds before being sent on active duty, there are certain standards of marksmanship that have to be achieved.
*** incorrect, my mate is employed as a RO who instructs and thousands of rounds is complete nonsense, they are lucky if they get six shots at range and have to account for each used catridge, welcome to cut backs my friend
The police representatives that inspect peoples homes for licensing are registered firearms owners themselves and have huge experience with most types of gun.
*** A firearms certificate does not account for experience, you should know that
There are no 'complicated' firearms to confuse them, its either shotguns or bolt action rifles. Also if a gun isn't in a safe state when they do their inspection there's a good chance it'll be removed along with all the other firearms and ammunition anyway.
*** again that is not true, there are many other types of firearm away from bolt action, not to mention .22 semi auto's, type in "Southern Gun" into google, can you remove the magazine of these rifles let alone prove safe! and how do you show no ammo in chamber!!! these are a little different from a bolt action gun,
now lets talk about hand guns, do they know how to handle and ensure semi auto hand guns are safe for inspection?
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I have added my comments below yours as a reply; with a *** as my reply
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not a nice subject at all, saw a comedy video a while back "Jim Jeffries " would post a link but it's not letting me
Look him up, talks a lot of sense but he is VERY rude "
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Love Jim Jeffries..
Fack off you cant..
The only real defence for gun owners is... They like shooting things
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If someone could put forward a logical and decent reason for ordinary citizens to own guns, then yeah ok, but the fact that the arguments for gun ownership are largely based on fear and paranoia, its a little hard to take seriously, I can understand, say someone keeping a pistol for home protection, but I've seen programs where there are people with assault rifles for home security.
I think if people are goo.g to have guns, then they should be licensed, an have to undergo a test, we don't let people drive cars without proper instruction, and competent user tests, so it seams crazy to let any idiot with the cash loose with a gun, they should also be psychology profiled and assessment made every year of physical, mental, and competence.
It won't stop all the killings, but it would go a long way to stop morons owning deadly weapons.
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The simple answer for gun ownership is in the 2nd Amendment. The founding fathers instituted the Right to Bear Arms so the citizens of the US would always have the means to defend against a tyrannical government. Considering the tyranny that they had just fought for independence from, I would say that the 2nd amendment was founded on reality, not paranoia and fear.
The 2nd amendment is not there so people can hunt or even for home protection, however, those are a happy additional benefit. My home is 5 miles from the nearest town, that town has 1 city cop, if someone is trying to break into my house I am not going to cower in a closet and wait the 10-20 minutes or more it will take the police to arrive, I intend to use my .357 and stop the SOB myself.
With all that said, I am aware that my reality as a born and bred American girl in the center of the US is far removed from the majority here on this forum.
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By (user no longer on site)
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BuddhaRed; that's a fair comment and one which most in the UK will not understand, but having worked & travelled the US many times I fully understand the American way of thinking and if you live outback then it goes without say on protection.  |
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"If someone could put forward a logical and decent reason for ordinary citizens to own guns, then yeah ok, but the fact that the arguments for gun ownership are largely based on fear and paranoia, its a little hard to take seriously, I can understand, say someone keeping a pistol for home protection, but I've seen programs where there are people with assault rifles for home security.
I think if people are goo.g to have guns, then they should be licensed, an have to undergo a test, we don't let people drive cars without proper instruction, and competent user tests, so it seams crazy to let any idiot with the cash loose with a gun, they should also be psychology profiled and assessment made every year of physical, mental, and competence.
It won't stop all the killings, but it would go a long way to stop morons owning deadly weapons.
The simple answer for gun ownership is in the 2nd Amendment. The founding fathers instituted the Right to Bear Arms so the citizens of the US would always have the means to defend against a tyrannical government. Considering the tyranny that they had just fought for independence from, I would say that the 2nd amendment was founded on reality, not paranoia and fear.
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Which is also why registering all your weapons makes no sense either. If i were in your shoes i would definetly have un registered arms of some description. |
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"Its not the licensed gun owners you need worry about, its all the illegal guns that have found there way onto our streets , the people that sell them and the poeple and gangs that bye them , "
Dunblane,Derek bird, Michael Ryan? All legally held firearms. Most active shooter scenarios involve legally held firearms.
Criminal use of firearms illegally held will always occur too but it rarely leads to random mass shooting scenarios.
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"Its not the licensed gun owners you need worry about, its all the illegal guns that have found there way onto our streets , the people that sell them and the poeple and gangs that bye them ,
Dunblane,Derek bird, Michael Ryan? All legally held firearms. Most active shooter scenarios involve legally held firearms.
Criminal use of firearms illegally held will always occur too but it rarely leads to random mass shooting scenarios.
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But does account for more deaths. |
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"Its not the licensed gun owners you need worry about, its all the illegal guns that have found there way onto our streets , the people that sell them and the poeple and gangs that bye them , "
Welcome to the EU |
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"Its not the licensed gun owners you need worry about, its all the illegal guns that have found there way onto our streets , the people that sell them and the poeple and gangs that bye them ,
Welcome to the EU "
Mmmm cheap firearms from Syria! |
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"Its not the licensed gun owners you need worry about, its all the illegal guns that have found there way onto our streets , the people that sell them and the poeple and gangs that bye them ,
Dunblane,Derek bird, Michael Ryan? All legally held firearms. Most active shooter scenarios involve legally held firearms.
Criminal use of firearms illegally held will always occur too but it rarely leads to random mass shooting scenarios.
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But the Dunnlane, Drrek BurdEyan firearms may have been " legally" held; however, if those who ran the licensing systems in those cases, had actually followed the requirements, none of those people would have had a firearms permit .
Sadly, none of the people who were criminally negligent in the granting of the firearms certificates in those cases were ever brought to justice ( they all " retired" though ill health and no one followed that up.) so ever more draconian laws were brought in, when the correct administration of the existing law would have sufficed. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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the thing i find odd is with all these legaly held guns in the USA nobody seems to step forward with one and take down the "crazed gunman " whos on a shooting spree or does that only happen in the movies ? |
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"I quite like living in a country where guns are rare. Scotland may be the exception but most of the UK there is no space for any more high powered rifles.
The situation in the USA is sad, it seems to be a fairly regular event for members of the public to get shot, usually not in killing sprees though. and frequently it appears it is tribal territory issues, gangs etc. which banning guns would do nothing to alleviate. it makes me sad for the human race when I see countries that appear to be prosperous still having populations that think violence is an answer."
Is it the country where it happens regularly ? Or is it just reported more often.
We have reasons for showing USA news and not sayyyyyyyyyy Jamaica. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"the thing i find odd is with all these legaly held guns in the USA nobody seems to step forward with one and take down the "crazed gunman " whos on a shooting spree or does that only happen in the movies ?"
They quite often do. Unfortunately that usually ends up in people getting caught in the crossfire. |
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It's because it's reported there are often gun related incidents such as in South America, Mexico and say Jamaica it's the norm there given that these countries have the highest murder rates in the world |
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"It's because it's reported there are often gun related incidents such as in South America, Mexico and say Jamaica it's the norm there given that these countries have the highest murder rates in the world "
Houndres being number 1 |
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"the thing i find odd is with all these legaly held guns in the USA nobody seems to step forward with one and take down the "crazed gunman " whos on a shooting spree or does that only happen in the movies ?"
It does happen, in fact the most recent one in Kansas was stopped by a gunshot from a police officer. The problem is that so many of the shootings are in gun-free zones such as schools where no one can legally carry. And the shootings that are stopped by legally armed citizens are far less reported because it doesn't fit into the gun control mantra. |
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