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"Not bad being Prime Minister without doing a days work in his life. Saying that, didn't you just spend all your time in the pub? "Yes was in the pub trade for 40 year,s worked very long hours | |||
"Can any one tell us what use is He. In his life Public school boy then Oxford then into politics been a creep all the time treading on any one to get up the ladder. He as never done a days work in his life not on our planet" What do you define as a day's work ? 
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"Absolutely hate the bellend. Been taking to Twitter everyday to slap him off. Still haven't had the old bill rock on my door step so guess he's not paying attention :D " It's called freedom of speech dude, you are entitled to you're opinion  | |||
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"Absolutely hate the bellend. Been taking to Twitter everyday to slap him off. Still haven't had the old bill rock on my door step so guess he's not paying attention :D " How mature  | |||
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"Not a fan of any politician to be honest BUT if everyone in this country put in the kind of hours work as most of them do this country would be truly great. Too many lazy arses happy to sit on thier backsides getting money for nothing and still moaning about how shit life is. If a Hamilton is getting £400-£500 pw and yes that includes rent, family allowance etc then at least one of the parents should be given a job to do to earn it at least 40 hours pw. There are some that cannot I grant you but most of the wasters is see are quite capable of working they just have this attitude that they can get the same money by not working, so they justify it" If you think people get £400-500pw in benefits, you are in cloud cuckoo land. It's more like £70pw for most people. | |||
"So I guess by the same token every kid who stayed on through 6th form,,, then straight to college... swiftly followed by university and then beck to school as teachers must therefore be lacking the life experience to help prepare school children for life in the real world... Or meringue "Or indeed those who went from school to medical school to be doctors. Or school to university to accountancy training. Or legal training. If you haven't done at least 7 jobs including a stint down a mine you're not fit to call yourself a professional, dammit. | |||
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"What,s a mine" What's a mine is mine and what's a yours is yours ! Capiche?  | |||
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"Ok. Politics is: - people playing with other people, who might wanna participate or not, and taking their money, shovelling it around, finding new ways to take money, playing with the money, giving it to people with lots of money who want more money, creating more debt for people who might have wanted to participate or not, making rules, changing the rules, making rules only for yourself coz you're above rules, kushty money, benefits for the rich, slag off the poor. Liberals. Ukip. EU, USA, china, fiscal finance, printing money, socialism, not feeding socialism, fighting for the right to make and break the rules, being snidey, being sneaky, lying, saying one thing and doing the opposite, no repercussions from any of this, war, death, poverty, abundance, hypocrisy, anything you want it to be. What use is it? Idk. But it costs us a lot in money, people, and the planet. What use is he? He helps perpetuate all the above and more." well said | |||
"So I guess by the same token every kid who stayed on through 6th form,,, then straight to college... swiftly followed by university and then beck to school as teachers must therefore be lacking the life experience to help prepare school children for life in the real world... Or meringue
Or indeed those who went from school to medical school to be doctors. Or school to university to accountancy training. Or legal training. If you haven't done at least 7 jobs including a stint down a mine you're not fit to call yourself a professional, dammit. "Absolutely ...you're so right,,,,, if someone hasn't sat in the bait cabin reading through the red tops puffing on an Embassy regal and scoffing a Greggs pasty their opinions have no place in polite society...  | |||
"Not a fan of any politician to be honest BUT if everyone in this country put in the kind of hours work as most of them do this country would be truly great. Too many lazy arses happy to sit on thier backsides getting money for nothing and still moaning about how shit life is. If a Hamilton is getting £400-£500 pw and yes that includes rent, family allowance etc then at least one of the parents should be given a job to do to earn it at least 40 hours pw. There are some that cannot I grant you but most of the wasters is see are quite capable of working they just have this attitude that they can get the same money by not working, so they justify it If you think people get £400-500pw in benefits, you are in cloud cuckoo land. It's more like £70pw for most people. " I'm not one for demonising those on benefits. Out of curiousity I've been watching the Great Benefit Handout where they gave three families their benefits for the year in one lump sum to do what they want. £26,000 is £500 a week. It's a fascinating programme and I'm hoping they do well, but I think they've been set up to fail. | |||
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"What,s a mine What's a mine is mine and what's a yours is yours ! Capiche? " | |||
"Absolutely hate the bellend. Been taking to Twitter everyday to slap him off. Still haven't had the old bill rock on my door step so guess he's not paying attention :D " Don't hold make mate, I would love to fuck Mrs C, not that she is attractive just a sh can see what a real dick feels like pounding you stupid, rather than just lying beside a life less dick every night with no stamina! | |||
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"Absolutely hate the bellend. Been taking to Twitter everyday to slap him off. Still haven't had the old bill rock on my door step so guess he's not paying attention :D Don't hold make mate, I would love to fuck Mrs C, not that she is attractive just a sh can see what a real dick feels like pounding you stupid, rather than just lying beside a life less dick every night with no stamina! " Wondering who the bellend is | |||
"I wonder how many of us would like to do the job of a PM, where you can never please everybody... "He's made some decisions that I couldn't live with. But that's what being P.M entails | |||
"He is a tory so to me, he'll always be a tool. He might be a nice fella but he's guilty by association " See that's the trouble. ..some people think politics is simply about picking a team and opposing everything the other team pledges to do. There are good and bad policies in all parties and let's face it,no party is going to please every individuals circumstances. | |||
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"MPs are paid £67k a year and the PM £142k I know I wouldn't want my entire life in the public eye constantly for that. Yes there's expenses etc. OP you ran a pub, how do you think you'd get on with running the country? " To blunt and Honest it would never work | |||
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"Nice how he's used his disabled son for political gain. Top fella.." What a heinous thing to say,,, | |||
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"MPs are paid £67k a year and the PM £142k I know I wouldn't want my entire life in the public eye constantly for that. Yes there's expenses etc. OP you ran a pub, how do you think you'd get on with running the country? " . Do you know the inns and outs of Tony Blair's life since he left power?... By the way he's made about 100 million since leaving office!... | |||
"Nice how he's used his disabled son for political gain. Top fella.. What a heinous thing to say,,," Not really. It's not a nice thing to acknowledge moe like. I totally would like to think Cameron loved his son and talks about him because of that but he has used him to act like he empathises and cares about things like the NHS and disability rights while taking away from these things. | |||
"MPs are paid £67k a year and the PM £142k I know I wouldn't want my entire life in the public eye constantly for that. Yes there's expenses etc. OP you ran a pub, how do you think you'd get on with running the country? . Do you know the inns and outs of Tony Blair's life since he left power?... By the way he's made about 100 million since leaving office!..." .. Just though I'd add it's nothing new. Winston Churchill left about 3 million when he died and that was when you could buy an average terrace house for 200 quid | |||
"Nice how he's used his disabled son for political gain. Top fella.." That's grotesque. | |||
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"He's very good at looking serious and Prime Ministerial. Shame he's a shit politician who blows in the wind." Tony Benn said you can separate politicians into 2 categories. There are those politicians of conviction who stick to their principles, then there are weather veins who change like the wind with public opinion. Cameron is a weather vein. | |||
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"Can any one tell us what use is He. In his life Public school boy then Oxford then into politics been a creep all the time treading on any one to get up the ladder. He as never done a days work in his life not on our planet" Totally agree | |||
"Like i have said they have never been in our world when i started this post" That's why there are 600+ MP's with 6000+ top level civil servants and 60,000+ advisers, unions, interest groups and lobiests. To attempt to get a feel of everyone in the country. If you could run it better, why don't you? I don't like the little I know about Cameron, but I also know I couldn't do that job. | |||
"Like i have said they have never been in our world when i started this post That's why there are 600+ MP's with 6000+ top level civil servants and 60,000+ advisers, unions, interest groups and lobiests. To attempt to get a feel of everyone in the country. If you could run it better, why don't you? I don't like the little I know about Cameron, but I also know I couldn't do that job." .That sounds like Brian! Yeah we're all individuals...... I'm not | |||
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"That sounds like Brian! Yeah we're all individuals...... I'm not" We are all unique, just like everybody else | |||
"That sounds like Brian! Yeah we're all individuals...... I'm not We are all unique, just like everybody else ". Repeat after me romaneus eunt domas... Turns out even the Jews were xenophobic | |||
"Not a fan of any politician to be honest BUT if everyone in this country put in the kind of hours work as most of them do this country would be truly great. Too many lazy arses happy to sit on thier backsides getting money for nothing and still moaning about how shit life is. If a Hamilton is getting £400-£500 pw and yes that includes rent, family allowance etc then at least one of the parents should be given a job to do to earn it at least 40 hours pw. There are some that cannot I grant you but most of the wasters is see are quite capable of working they just have this attitude that they can get the same money by not working, so they justify it If you think people get £400-500pw in benefits, you are in cloud cuckoo land. It's more like £70pw for most people. I'm not one for demonising those on benefits. Out of curiousity I've been watching the Great Benefit Handout where they gave three families their benefits for the year in one lump sum to do what they want. £26,000 is £500 a week. It's a fascinating programme and I'm hoping they do well, but I think they've been set up to fail. " I know some single people are on £70 pw but that's plus rent and council tax discount is it not? I'm not saying it's easy far from it but it. Meant to be a stop gap until you find work of some sort. Not having a go in any way I came from a real poor background and I do mean poor! so can empethise with a lot of people. I was talking about families with children who get all of the stuff and I know that's not everybody. And I do know what it's like living in a 12x13 room with a table top cooker and a sink no telly no radio. But those were other times | |||
"Not a fan of any politician to be honest BUT if everyone in this country put in the kind of hours work as most of them do this country would be truly great. Too many lazy arses happy to sit on thier backsides getting money for nothing and still moaning about how shit life is. If a Hamilton is getting £400-£500 pw and yes that includes rent, family allowance etc then at least one of the parents should be given a job to do to earn it at least 40 hours pw. There are some that cannot I grant you but most of the wasters is see are quite capable of working they just have this attitude that they can get the same money by not working, so they justify it If you think people get £400-500pw in benefits, you are in cloud cuckoo land. It's more like £70pw for most people. " It's a con trick Dee, used by people to belittle people on benifits to make them out to be bigger scroungers. Years ago housing benifits was paid directly to the council now it's paid to the person who then has to pay it to who ever owns the house. The reason it's high is to do with the buy to rent people that Dave loves. | |||
"Not a fan of any politician to be honest BUT if everyone in this country put in the kind of hours work as most of them do this country would be truly great. Too many lazy arses happy to sit on thier backsides getting money for nothing and still moaning about how shit life is. If a Hamilton is getting £400-£500 pw and yes that includes rent, family allowance etc then at least one of the parents should be given a job to do to earn it at least 40 hours pw. There are some that cannot I grant you but most of the wasters is see are quite capable of working they just have this attitude that they can get the same money by not working, so they justify it If you think people get £400-500pw in benefits, you are in cloud cuckoo land. It's more like £70pw for most people. " An old next door neighbour of mine was on benifits due to the illness he had from taking too many drugs.... On my last day at the house he and his mum told me what he got in benifits. If you take into account housing ben, council tax, disability etc then he was getting £500 a week..... It's not that hard to get such amounts..... If you mean just JSA or whet ever it's called now then yes 70 is all it will be, but there is far more to benifits than just this | |||
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"But that's my point, I work 55hours a week to support my family to get the same as a family getting the same by not working! Is that fair? " That's before tax! Forgot to add that LoL | |||
"But that's my point, I work 55hours a week to support my family to get the same as a family getting the same by not working! Is that fair? " Life isn't fair though is it? In a world filled with disability prejudice still, it's not fair to be disabled. That's why you get extra money, to help you fit into society and be as much like someone able as you can. Cuts have been made to services for the disabled so they aren't as well off as you would like to think despite being able to claim several hundred £ a week in benefits. In a world where having somewhere to live, food to eat, and all the basic necessities you need for life cost money, then it's not fair to allow people to go without these things for lack of money. Technology has replaced a lot of people, hey we like technology until it fucks over and then that's not fair either. There's never been enough work for everyone who wants it, that's not really fair either. And sure as the politicians we're slagging off for being lazy and greedy there will be people of our own kind just as bad, and they aren't fair too sure. The system is there to help genuine people, and like all systems it can be exploited but it's necessary to keep it because of those genuine people. No it's not fair you work a lot for a wage, but loads of people would love to be in your position for some strange reason. | |||
"But that's my point, I work 55hours a week to support my family to get the same as a family getting the same by not working! Is that fair? " There is a good chance these families couldn't earn £500 a week. Don't forget most of this is made up of buy to rent landlords charging far more then a council would. I understand what you are saying but they get slighly less then you think. | |||
"The reason it's high is to do with the buy to rent people that Dave loves. " That I'd an unfair and untrue statement, IF Dave loved the buy to rent people why has he just upped the tax on them? Without individuals going into debt for buy to let properties there would be considerably more homeless people in the country, it's the council that sold off housing stock at below cost price and never replaced it that created the problem. Buy to let landlords get a bad press, but without them there would be a lot more problems. And yes, I am one, paying off mortgages and paying the tax man and with 2 tenants paying to evict them with a combined debt of 18 months rent plus court and bailiff fees. I am not a greedy rip off merchant, just someone who saved my wages and invested in property. | |||
"But that's my point, I work 55hours a week to support my family to get the same as a family getting the same by not working! Is that fair? " Wouldn't it depend on the family ? Benefits Britain always show the very worst cases. Not the family, where they always worked and then the main provider had a sudden medical condition which resulted in them losing their job, then their house etc. Yes some milk the system , but not everyone does. The benefits system is a safety net - yes I agree it needs tweaking, but it is a necessity for some of the vulnerable members of our society. Sarah | |||
"But that's my point, I work 55hours a week to support my family to get the same as a family getting the same by not working! Is that fair? " Wouldn't it depend on the family ? Benefits Britain always show the very worst cases. Not the family, where they always worked and then the main provider had a sudden medical condition which resulted in them losing their job, then their house etc. Yes some milk the system , but not everyone does. The benefits system is a safety net - yes I agree it needs tweaking, but it is a necessity for some of the vulnerable members of our society. Sarah | |||
"I have seen some disgusting shit on this Thread which I am surprised hasn't been pulled by the Mods but THIS is utterly disgraceful. He has NEVER made any comment about his late son other than when asked. " Simply not true. David Cameron has used his dead son's memory when making conference speeches, and has also referred to him during PMQs. He's that kind of man. | |||
"I wonder how many of us would like to do the job of a PM, where you can never please everybody... "Not entirely sure some on here would be capable of filling out the application form to an acceptable and legible standard.. | |||
"Can any one tell us what use is He. In his life Public school boy then Oxford then into politics been a creep all the time treading on any one to get up the ladder. He as never done a days work in his life not on our planet" He went to Eton not sure about oxford as well ? | |||
"As much as I dislike him he is a far stronger leader than Ed Miliband Just glad im in Scotland and did not have to vote for either of them" And although different schools etc....a Comrade Corbin also went to a public school (why are they called that when they are private and paid for?). He also studied politics then directly into politics. His only "job" being for a union.... Sadly most of the "top" politicians in most parties...are exact,y the same! | |||
"Not a fan of any politician to be honest BUT if everyone in this country put in the kind of hours work as most of them do this country would be truly great. Too many lazy arses happy to sit on thier backsides getting money for nothing and still moaning about how shit life is. If a Hamilton is getting £400-£500 pw and yes that includes rent, family allowance etc then at least one of the parents should be given a job to do to earn it at least 40 hours pw. There are some that cannot I grant you but most of the wasters is see are quite capable of working they just have this attitude that they can get the same money by not working, so they justify it If you think people get £400-500pw in benefits, you are in cloud cuckoo land. It's more like £70pw for most people. I'm not one for demonising those on benefits. Out of curiousity I've been watching the Great Benefit Handout where they gave three families their benefits for the year in one lump sum to do what they want. £26,000 is £500 a week. It's a fascinating programme and I'm hoping they do well, but I think they've been set up to fail. " Please sir can i have the £500 a week | |||
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"Can any one tell us what use is He. In his life Public school boy then Oxford then into politics been a creep all the time treading on any one to get up the ladder. He as never done a days work in his life not on our planet He went to Eton not sure about oxford as well ? " my mistake (public school) then presumably oxford. | |||
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"I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."" you had a bed..? you were lucky.. | |||
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"£500 a week for not going to work. What fucking planet do the idiots who come up with these figures live on? Get real talk sense and come back when you are all grown up. Oh yes I am saving the rant for Thursday!" You hit the nail on the head right there with the word idiot. You can look on the gov official website at how much benefits anyone is entitled to. Google 'uk benefits calculator'. And don't forget people who get sanctioned get less than that. Some pay rent out of their benefits that are supposed to be for day to day things like food, heating and other household stuff, so that should come off the amount calculated but isn't, some pay council tax as well. We all pay VAT and tax on our heating/electricity too, employed or not and might be the reason why people are able to claim tax credits? Housing benefit or Universal credit is cut to enforce the cap, dependent on what you claim. I will note for you that out-of-work benefits applies the the sick or disabled and their carers, as well as the unemployed, pensioners who are disabled so get extra money on top of their pension to help with that (incapacity benefit), widows, and single parents. It does not include those who have been sanctioned as they aren't classed as on any benefits nor unemployed. ""14% of capped households were claiming Jobseeker’s Allowance. •17% were claiming Employment and Support Allowance. •51% were claiming Income Support. •7% were claiming Carer’s Allowance. •91% were claiming Child Tax Credits. •1% were claiming Bereavement Allowance. •1% were claiming Housing Benefit only."" So 14% were actively seeking work or in .gov training schemes but got their benefits capped. 17% were on the lowest amount of disability payments (ESA) yet still got their benefits capped. 51% were claiming IS, this benefit is a top up payment you claim when you haven't got enough benefits to live on according to the law and is only paid to people deemed unable to work, short term or long term. So financially vulnerable people who might also be like carers, and single parents with a child under the age of 1 year old. 7% are caring for a disabled dependent, it's also likely they'll also be on income support. 91% had children. 1% were widows. 1% only claimed housing benefits and that got capped somehow. £500 a week is the maximum a household of people on benefits can receive a week, it's the cap amount and is not the amount everyone is entitled to. You can also look up official government statistics on how many are getting that amount. I got this extract from a gov pdf on their own data site. ""Benefit Cap Quarterly Statistics: GB households capped to November 2015 The Government has introduced a cap on the total amount of benefits that working-age households can receive. This means that, in general, households on out-of-work benefits no longer receive more in welfare payments than the average weekly wage for working households. This Summary contains official statistics on households that have had their Housing Benefit capped from 15 April 2013 (when the benefit cap was introduced) to November 2015 (the latest available figures). It includes cumulative and point-in-time figures on the number of capped households (caseload) as well as information on households who have moved off the benefit cap (off-flows). Main Findings: Cumulative measures - Since the introduction of the benefit cap on 15 April 2013 to November 2015: •69.9 thousand households had their Housing Benefit capped. •45% of households affected by the benefit cap were in London. •Of the top 20 Local Authorities with the highest number of households affected by the benefit cap, only 3 were outside London – Birmingham, Edinburgh and Manchester. Snapshot measures-Of data extracted in November 2015: •21.0 thousand households had their Housing Benefit capped. This is a decrease of 2.4 thousand (10%) from 23.4 thousand households in August 2015. •84% of capped households were capped by £100 or less a week. •60% of capped households had between 1 and 4 children and 34% had 5 or more children. •65% of capped households constituted a single parent with child dependant(s). Off-flow measures-Of data extracted in November 2015: •48.9 thousand households (70%) who have (previously) had their Housing Benefit capped are no longer subject to the cap as at November 2015. Of these, 20.4 thousand households are exempt with an open Working Tax Credit claim, which is 42% of those no longer subject to the cap."" Boring i know. | |||
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"Why do they get sanctioned ? " They have a contract to fulfil, you have to do certain things to get paid JSA or UC. Your money got stopped and you had to make a new claim or claim hardship payments, many went without money because they were not aware of hardship payments and were not informed of them. I've seen people get sanctioned for not doing things they actually have done, like not going to a job fair that they went to...they stopped stopping peoples money now and give them a chance to appeal a sanction because most sanctions were unfair and turned over at appeal anyway. | |||
