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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I seen on tv whilst having a break from forum life that women, in what ever career are to be paid equally as men,
Now my question is this, Should that also be the case in the sex industry ? Should men be paid as equally as women ? Should it be law ? |
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"I seen on tv whilst having a break from forum life that women, in what ever career are to be paid equally as men,
Now my question is this, Should that also be the case in the sex industry ? Should men be paid as equally as women ? Should it be law ? "
In what terms are you meaning sex industry exactly ? Are you talking prostitution, phone sex or porn? Or all of them?
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It is law. The Equal Pay Act kicked it off in 1970, famously after women machinists at Ford's Dagenham plant made a claim that their skilled work was of equal standing to skilled male employees and successfully lobbied government and got the backing of several major trade unions. It has been growing as evolving ever since and is currently encompassed in the Equality Act 2010. The difficulty for sex workers is that they are likely to be informally employed or self employed and therefore have very slightly different rights, though only mildly so. If there is no employer/employee relationship, it is harder to apply the Act.
And here endeth the lesson. |
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"I seen on tv whilst having a break from forum life that women, in what ever career are to be paid equally as men,
Now my question is this, Should that also be the case in the sex industry ? Should men be paid as equally as women ? Should it be law ? "
Are you suggesting you want to be paid the same for taking it up the arse as a woman does? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is law. The Equal Pay Act kicked it off in 1970, famously after women machinists at Ford's Dagenham plant made a claim that their skilled work was of equal standing to skilled male employees and successfully lobbied government and got the backing of several major trade unions. It has been growing as evolving ever since and is currently encompassed in the Equality Act 2010. The difficulty for sex workers is that they are likely to be informally employed or self employed and therefore have very slightly different rights, though only mildly so. If there is no employer/employee relationship, it is harder to apply the Act.
And here endeth the lesson. "
Cool, but why do you say, "only mildly so?"
Surely, there is no way of regulating the prices charged by self-employed people?
If I need a gardener, a plumber, a decorator or a man (or woman) with a van, I get estimates. They all have different levels of skill, different overheads and different profit expectations. |
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"I seen on tv whilst having a break from forum life that women, in what ever career are to be paid equally as men,
Now my question is this, Should that also be the case in the sex industry ? Should men be paid as equally as women ? Should it be law ?
Are you suggesting you want to be paid the same for taking it up the arse as a woman does?"
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I seen on tv whilst having a break from forum life that women, in what ever career are to be paid equally as men,
Now my question is this, Should that also be the case in the sex industry ? Should men be paid as equally as women ? Should it be law ?
Are you suggesting you want to be paid the same for taking it up the arse as a woman does?"
if that was my chosen career then yes i would expect to be treat equally |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Surely though in the sex industry payment is subjective to what you actually get? You are not going to pay the same amount for a crack whore as a high end variant so it's never going to be truly equal pay no matter what sex. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't understand where the inequality comes in. If you apply for a job, the terms, including salary are usually advertised. I've never seen a job advert that has one salary for men and another for women. If there was a major gender gap then I'm sure it would be much harder for men to get jobs as employers would opt to employ women because they are cheaper. In which industries are women generally paid less than men? I'm surprised that in this day and age companies are getting away with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know all about dagenham lol,
anyone with half a brain cell can see my point
I've git a whole brain cell, but you git me stumped  "
And I've got at least 2, but can see the OP has missed that point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't understand where the inequality comes in. If you apply for a job, the terms, including salary are usually advertised. I've never seen a job advert that has one salary for men and another for women. If there was a major gender gap then I'm sure it would be much harder for men to get jobs as employers would opt to employ women because they are cheaper. In which industries are women generally paid less than men? I'm surprised that in this day and age companies are getting away with it. "
I believe that the unequal pay is mainly in management roles.
A lot of management are on individual performance contracts which allows each manager to be paid differently even though they are doing the same job as they can be set different performance objectives - usually under the guise of "individual development".
I could be wrong as this isn't as per google but from my real life experience as a manager within British Gas |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done. "
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't understand where the inequality comes in. If you apply for a job, the terms, including salary are usually advertised. I've never seen a job advert that has one salary for men and another for women. If there was a major gender gap then I'm sure it would be much harder for men to get jobs as employers would opt to employ women because they are cheaper. In which industries are women generally paid less than men? I'm surprised that in this day and age companies are getting away with it.
I believe that the unequal pay is mainly in management roles.
A lot of management are on individual performance contracts which allows each manager to be paid differently even though they are doing the same job as they can be set different performance objectives - usually under the guise of "individual development".
I could be wrong as this isn't as per google but from my real life experience as a manager within British Gas"
Cheers, makes sense. I've never had experience of it that's all. The job I'm in we all get paid the same based on length of service, rank etc so it seems alien to me that a woman would get paid less for doing the same job. Disgusting when you think about it. |
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"I seen on tv whilst having a break from forum life that women, in what ever career are to be paid equally as men,
Now my question is this, Should that also be the case in the sex industry ? Should men be paid as equally as women ? Should it be law ? "
Only.if.the man gets gangbanged lol.xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know all about dagenham lol,
anyone with half a brain cell can see my point "
I have considerably more than half a brain cell thank you very much; there really is no need to be rude to people. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I know all about dagenham lol,
anyone with half a brain cell can see my point
I have considerably more than half a brain cell thank you very much; there really is no need to be rude to people. "
i wasnt trying to be rude  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know all about dagenham lol,
anyone with half a brain cell can see my point
I have considerably more than half a brain cell thank you very much; there really is no need to be rude to people.
i wasnt trying to be rude "
Whether you were trying to be rude or whether you were effortlessly being rude. You were being rude. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney "
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know all about dagenham lol,
anyone with half a brain cell can see my point
I have considerably more than half a brain cell thank you very much; there really is no need to be rude to people.
i wasnt trying to be rude
Whether you were trying to be rude or whether you were effortlessly being rude. You were being rude. "
Hand that man a spade to dig that hole! Taking on the Mike Tyson of Employment law is not a good idea. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?"
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though. "
I agree with you about the principle. But I'd want to extend that to sport, the media, music, film etc as well, rather than just cherry picking an area in which male pay tends to be lower. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though.
I agree with you about the principle. But I'd want to extend that to sport, the media, music, film etc as well, rather than just cherry picking an area in which male pay tends to be lower. "
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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Women earn more than men in the sex industry basically because of the same reason male pro footballers out earn female pro footballers.
Mens football generates more revenue than the women's leagues hence the "stars" of the game are paid extra for their services to keep them.
Most revenue in porn is generated Thru straight men purchasing subscriptions/DVD Etc So female porn performers are generally bigger stars/revenue generators than male performers. This lead to a lot of straight male pornstars going "gay for pay" to make ends meet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Women earn more than men in the sex industry basically because of the same reason male pro footballers out earn female pro footballers.
Mens football generates more revenue than the women's leagues hence the "stars" of the game are paid extra for their services to keep them.
Most revenue in porn is generated Thru straight men purchasing subscriptions/DVD Etc So female porn performers are generally bigger stars/revenue generators than male performers. This lead to a lot of straight male pornstars going "gay for pay" to make ends meet."
Yep , that makes perfect sense |
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though.
I agree with you about the principle. But I'd want to extend that to sport, the media, music, film etc as well, rather than just cherry picking an area in which male pay tends to be lower.
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So someone who is a crap musician or film star gets paid the same as a legend? What a sweet world. |
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though.
I agree with you about the principle. But I'd want to extend that to sport, the media, music, film etc as well, rather than just cherry picking an area in which male pay tends to be lower.
So someone who is a crap musician or film star gets paid the same as a legend? What a sweet world."
That wasn't what was said. |
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though.
I agree with you about the principle. But I'd want to extend that to sport, the media, music, film etc as well, rather than just cherry picking an area in which male pay tends to be lower.
So someone who is a crap musician or film star gets paid the same as a legend? What a sweet world.
That wasn't what was said."
Maybe but it was what I said. You pay for talent, whether they are male or female. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So someone who is a crap musician or film star gets paid the same as a legend? What a sweet world.
That wasn't what was said.
Maybe but it was what I said. You pay for talent, whether they are male or female."
Right. Then what you are saying is completely irrelevant and uncontested. |
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though. "
Oh that would be priceless in the inevitable legal cases:
"Your Honour, central to the defence's case is that the lady in question is clearly a 4/10 with an aged face and high degree of elasticity in her vagina. Therefore, her wages were fair and reasonable relative to the control sample, who were on average... much hotter." |
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though.
Oh that would be priceless in the inevitable legal cases:
"Your Honour, central to the defence's case is that the lady in question is clearly a 4/10 with an aged face and high degree of elasticity in her vagina. Therefore, her wages were fair and reasonable relative to the control sample, who were on average... much hotter." "
But you could make a case for it in terms of revenue. How much does one porn star generate compared to a different one? Or someone who has to fit a particular role.
Not everything in the sex industry is about being hot. Lots of successful porn stars are not what I would consider attractive. They have other talents. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So someone who is a crap musician or film star gets paid the same as a legend? What a sweet world.
That wasn't what was said.
Maybe but it was what I said. You pay for talent, whether they are male or female.
Right. Then what you are saying is completely irrelevant and uncontested. "
Irrelevant? Why? Uncontested, quite possibly. |
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By *abphilMan
over a year ago
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"I know all about dagenham lol,
anyone with half a brain cell can see my point "
Agreed i only have half a brain cell and can see your point. It would be better to talk about the film they made about the ladies as thats awesome unlike this thread ( only my opinion though). |
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So someone who is a crap musician or film star gets paid the same as a legend? What a sweet world.
That wasn't what was said.
Maybe but it was what I said. You pay for talent, whether they are male or female.
Right. Then what you are saying is completely irrelevant and uncontested.
Irrelevant? Why? Uncontested, quite possibly."
Irrelevant because it didn't speak to the exchange you were quoting. Of course you pay for talent. That is the case in any job (and Ruby had already pointed this out, with my subsequent agreement). It doesn't explain why male actors get far more than female actors or indeed, why female porn stars get more than male ones. |
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though.
Oh that would be priceless in the inevitable legal cases:
"Your Honour, central to the defence's case is that the lady in question is clearly a 4/10 with an aged face and high degree of elasticity in her vagina. Therefore, her wages were fair and reasonable relative to the control sample, who were on average... much hotter."
But you could make a case for it in terms of revenue. How much does one porn star generate compared to a different one? Or someone who has to fit a particular role.
Not everything in the sex industry is about being hot. Lots of successful porn stars are not what I would consider attractive. They have other talents."
Tell me about it! But i'd pay to watch a court case disputing the fair and reasonable pay for the ability to take 3 dicks in your ass at the same time. |
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"Women earn more than men in the sex industry basically because of the same reason male pro footballers out earn female pro footballers.
Mens football generates more revenue than the women's leagues hence the "stars" of the game are paid extra for their services to keep them.
Most revenue in porn is generated Thru straight men purchasing subscriptions/DVD Etc So female porn performers are generally bigger stars/revenue generators than male performers. This lead to a lot of straight male pornstars going "gay for pay" to make ends meet."
This! You can't apply equal pay laws to this kind of thing. Equal pay is about a man or a woman getting the same wage for the same role.
Male and female pornstars are not equivalent roles like, say, male and female accountants are. |
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"I seen on tv whilst having a break from forum life that women, in what ever career are to be paid equally as men,
Now my question is this, Should that also be the case in the sex industry ? Should men be paid as equally as women ? Should it be law ? "
I imagine most sex workers are self-employed so equal pay would not apply.
Different skill sets and marketability. When men can take it from 3 entry points whilst hanging upside down and wanking two other men and have that appeal to the mass male market, they will have earned equal pay. |
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though.
Oh that would be priceless in the inevitable legal cases:
"Your Honour, central to the defence's case is that the lady in question is clearly a 4/10 with an aged face and high degree of elasticity in her vagina. Therefore, her wages were fair and reasonable relative to the control sample, who were on average... much hotter."
But you could make a case for it in terms of revenue. How much does one porn star generate compared to a different one? Or someone who has to fit a particular role.
Not everything in the sex industry is about being hot. Lots of successful porn stars are not what I would consider attractive. They have other talents.
Tell me about it! But i'd pay to watch a court case disputing the fair and reasonable pay for the ability to take 3 dicks in your ass at the same time. "
I read the court documents for various porn cases that appeared before the Supreme Court on free speech grounds (one of my law school professors was a preeminent promoter of free speech and defender of porn). They are fucking hilarious to read. |
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"I would imagine adult performers and most sex workers are self employed rather than being salaried employees. So a man could be paid less than a woman, in the same way as a male film star can be paid more than his female counterpart.
The legislation you're talking about is about salaries for employees, not about every single piece of work every person has ever done.
I see your point. But as a woman, doesn't it bother you that leading men make so much more than leading women in movies? It bothers me. There is a pricing guide of sorts that goes along with these things.
I think it should be similar in the sex industry. Demand for women may always be higher, but pay doesn't have to be different. In the sex industry there tend to be market determined prices for different things. They aren't salaried, obviously, but the prices are somewhat leveled. Why not have prices be similar for men and women alike?
-Courtney
I agree with the basic principle that if you have two people doing the same job, paid for by the same person/company, they should be paid the same. I don't think that's really practical in the industry being discussed though. Set hourly rates for performers, for example, I like the idea in theory, but then what about one performer who is more popular than another so more in demand? Would they all have to be paid the same as each other, regardless of sex? If two producers want the same actor for a film at the same time, would one be prevented from offering more? And if you have two prostitutes, one very good looking and in demand and one not so much? How could it work then?
Yeah. Good point. But maybe there could be like a scale system? And you can pay within the scale based on desirability and experience?
I don't know. But I do see the OPs point about equal pay in the sex industry. Not sure how to change it, though.
Oh that would be priceless in the inevitable legal cases:
"Your Honour, central to the defence's case is that the lady in question is clearly a 4/10 with an aged face and high degree of elasticity in her vagina. Therefore, her wages were fair and reasonable relative to the control sample, who were on average... much hotter."
But you could make a case for it in terms of revenue. How much does one porn star generate compared to a different one? Or someone who has to fit a particular role.
Not everything in the sex industry is about being hot. Lots of successful porn stars are not what I would consider attractive. They have other talents.
Tell me about it! But i'd pay to watch a court case disputing the fair and reasonable pay for the ability to take 3 dicks in your ass at the same time.
I read the court documents for various porn cases that appeared before the Supreme Court on free speech grounds (one of my law school professors was a preeminent promoter of free speech and defender of porn). They are fucking hilarious to read. "
I bet. I'd love to hear a 30-some young buck lawyer trying to explain to a 70-year old judge what 'snowballing' is! |
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So someone who is a crap musician or film star gets paid the same as a legend? What a sweet world.
That wasn't what was said.
Maybe but it was what I said. You pay for talent, whether they are male or female.
Right. Then what you are saying is completely irrelevant and uncontested.
Irrelevant? Why? Uncontested, quite possibly.
Irrelevant because it didn't speak to the exchange you were quoting. Of course you pay for talent. That is the case in any job (and Ruby had already pointed this out, with my subsequent agreement). It doesn't explain why male actors get far more than female actors or indeed, why female porn stars get more than male ones. "
Perhaps that might be due to demand? Commercial sense? |
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"I know all about dagenham lol,
anyone with half a brain cell can see my point "
And anyone with quarter of a brain cell will have figured out it is equal pay for equal work. and sex workers don't actually do the same job. would you expect a doctor to be paid the same rate as a doctor's receptionist?
Actual income is generally a portion of the revenue genrated, so gender or person to person comparisons are not always easy to assess. and even more difficult to prove, which is how inequality survives. |
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"A male porn star and a female porn star, how are they not doing the same job ?"
Seriously? you don't see any difference between male and female? how many male porn stars have you seen receiving dvp? |
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"A male porn star and a female porn star, how are they not doing the same job ?
Seriously? you don't see any difference between male and female? how many male porn stars have you seen receiving dvp?"
seriously ?
Im sure theres at least one bloke with 2 cocks up.his arse |
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"A male porn star and a female porn star, how are they not doing the same job ?
Seriously? you don't see any difference between male and female? how many male porn stars have you seen receiving dvp?"
if i was into watching gay porn i maybe would . As im not into other men i aint seen any ?
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"A male porn star and a female porn star, how are they not doing the same job ?
Seriously? you don't see any difference between male and female? how many male porn stars have you seen receiving dvp?"
But most porn stars don't get paid by the hour. They get paid by the type of job. So there is a price for anal, a price for DVP, a price for gangbangs, etc. So if you pay that way, then women can get paid by the various jobs they perform fairly. But men would be paid equally when performing equal tasks. |
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"A male porn star and a female porn star, how are they not doing the same job ?
Seriously? you don't see any difference between male and female? how many male porn stars have you seen receiving dvp?
seriously ?
Im sure theres at least one bloke with 2 cocks up.his arse "
that isn't dVp, and not many heterosexual males (still the majority) would pay to watch it. |
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"A male porn star and a female porn star, how are they not doing the same job ?
Seriously? you don't see any difference between male and female? how many male porn stars have you seen receiving dvp?
seriously ?
Im sure theres at least one bloke with 2 cocks up.his arse
that isn't dVp, and not many heterosexual males (still the majority) would pay to watch it. "
the woman wouldnt even manage ( dvp ) with 2 blokes if those blokes wernt around tho ? |
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"The brain surgeon would save 0 lives without the operating theatre cleaner, do they get equal pay?"
That isn't the same thing, and I think you know that.
Let me give you a scenario. You have a man and a woman. Both are going to perform in a straight-forward porn where there is regular vanilla sex (no anal, dvp, etc). Should they get paid equally? |
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"The brain surgeon would save 0 lives without the operating theatre cleaner, do they get equal pay?
That isn't the same thing, and I think you know that.
Let me give you a scenario. You have a man and a woman. Both are going to perform in a straight-forward porn where there is regular vanilla sex (no anal, dvp, etc). Should they get paid equally?"
Thanks courtney |
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"The brain surgeon would save 0 lives without the operating theatre cleaner, do they get equal pay?
That isn't the same thing, and I think you know that.
Let me give you a scenario. You have a man and a woman. Both are going to perform in a straight-forward porn where there is regular vanilla sex (no anal, dvp, etc). Should they get paid equally?
Thanks courtney "
Don't thank me. Unless you're a man who does porn and is seeking equal pay?  |
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"The brain surgeon would save 0 lives without the operating theatre cleaner, do they get equal pay?
That isn't the same thing, and I think you know that.
Let me give you a scenario. You have a man and a woman. Both are going to perform in a straight-forward porn where there is regular vanilla sex (no anal, dvp, etc). Should they get paid equally?"
In theory yes but in practice no due to supply and demand having an effect on the respective genders. As more straight males pay for the end product the female performer would be paid more for being the main draw.
Now two architects designing a building, one male and one female doing equal work at an equal level of seniority. In this case there is no reason why one should be paid more than the other as in this example gender is an irrelevance. |
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"The brain surgeon would save 0 lives without the operating theatre cleaner, do they get equal pay?
That isn't the same thing, and I think you know that.
Let me give you a scenario. You have a man and a woman. Both are going to perform in a straight-forward porn where there is regular vanilla sex (no anal, dvp, etc). Should they get paid equally?"
I'm gonna guess they get round and legal stuff by job titles etc. Female as lead role for example.
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"The brain surgeon would save 0 lives without the operating theatre cleaner, do they get equal pay?
That isn't the same thing, and I think you know that.
Let me give you a scenario. You have a man and a woman. Both are going to perform in a straight-forward porn where there is regular vanilla sex (no anal, dvp, etc). Should they get paid equally?"
yes they should be paid nothing because nobody will buy that film. A more typical porn film is a woman will have sex with 3 men over 20 minutes or so, should she be paid 3 times the men's rates? |
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"The brain surgeon would save 0 lives without the operating theatre cleaner, do they get equal pay?
That isn't the same thing, and I think you know that.
Let me give you a scenario. You have a man and a woman. Both are going to perform in a straight-forward porn where there is regular vanilla sex (no anal, dvp, etc). Should they get paid equally?
In theory yes but in practice no due to supply and demand having an effect on the respective genders. As more straight males pay for the end product the female performer would be paid more for being the main draw.
Now two architects designing a building, one male and one female doing equal work at an equal level of seniority. In this case there is no reason why one should be paid more than the other as in this example gender is an irrelevance. "
No, I see that as a reason why more women should be hired, not why men should be paid less.
And I think women tend to pay more for an individual film. Men tend to buy more films, though. |
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"The brain surgeon would save 0 lives without the operating theatre cleaner, do they get equal pay?
That isn't the same thing, and I think you know that.
Let me give you a scenario. You have a man and a woman. Both are going to perform in a straight-forward porn where there is regular vanilla sex (no anal, dvp, etc). Should they get paid equally?
yes they should be paid nothing because nobody will buy that film. A more typical porn film is a woman will have sex with 3 men over 20 minutes or so, should she be paid 3 times the men's rates?"
As I said above, if you pay by the act then you answer this issue and you don't need to do it in an unequal way. |
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in movies or entertainment of any kind you are paid by fan base, that sometimes comes from talent often not though.
fan base = sales and revenue pays the team. So if the public buy a porn film for the male actors they get paid more.
As wages come from revenue, from writing to end point sale I suspect more money goes into male pockets than female purses in the porn business anyway. |
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"in movies or entertainment of any kind you are paid by fan base, that sometimes comes from talent often not though.
fan base = sales and revenue pays the team. So if the public buy a porn film for the male actors they get paid more.
As wages come from revenue, from writing to end point sale I suspect more money goes into male pockets than female purses in the porn business anyway. "
I might have agreed with you in the 80's, but the nature of the porn industry has changed. It isn't about the top X stars anymore. Not really. There are tons of lower-level porn stars who have to deal with pay inequality despite not bringing huge numbers of people.
And for the record, there are male porn stars I (and other women) like to watch but who get paid far less than female porn stars who aren't at the top of the game. Women watch porn, too. |
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"in movies or entertainment of any kind you are paid by fan base, that sometimes comes from talent often not though.
fan base = sales and revenue pays the team. So if the public buy a porn film for the male actors they get paid more.
As wages come from revenue, from writing to end point sale I suspect more money goes into male pockets than female purses in the porn business anyway.
I might have agreed with you in the 80's, but the nature of the porn industry has changed. It isn't about the top X stars anymore. Not really. There are tons of lower-level porn stars who have to deal with pay inequality despite not bringing huge numbers of people.
And for the record, there are male porn stars I (and other women) like to watch but who get paid far less than female porn stars who aren't at the top of the game. Women watch porn, too."
So they get paid what they can demand. Just like a plumber or a decorator. Really, it is not a difficult economic equation. |
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"The brain surgeon would save 0 lives without the operating theatre cleaner, do they get equal pay?
That isn't the same thing, and I think you know that.
Let me give you a scenario. You have a man and a woman. Both are going to perform in a straight-forward porn where there is regular vanilla sex (no anal, dvp, etc). Should they get paid equally?
In theory yes but in practice no due to supply and demand having an effect on the respective genders. As more straight males pay for the end product the female performer would be paid more for being the main draw.
Now two architects designing a building, one male and one female doing equal work at an equal level of seniority. In this case there is no reason why one should be paid more than the other as in this example gender is an irrelevance.
No, I see that as a reason why more women should be hired, not why men should be paid less.
And I think women tend to pay more for an individual film. Men tend to buy more films, though."
Possibly, not thought about it in that way but still males are the still the main consumers of porn (I've seen research that puts it at a ratio of approx 60:30). As such the main revenue generators are the female stars, hence they can command a bigger fee for their services.
Also as a side note, I think that proportionally more males than females aspire/be willing to appear in porn so the supply and demand factors further increase a female performer's earning potential.
I understand the point you are making but as I see it it's generally the female performer who is really the main attraction and "sells" the product to it's target audience. |
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"in movies or entertainment of any kind you are paid by fan base, that sometimes comes from talent often not though.
fan base = sales and revenue pays the team. So if the public buy a porn film for the male actors they get paid more.
As wages come from revenue, from writing to end point sale I suspect more money goes into male pockets than female purses in the porn business anyway.
I might have agreed with you in the 80's, but the nature of the porn industry has changed. It isn't about the top X stars anymore. Not really. There are tons of lower-level porn stars who have to deal with pay inequality despite not bringing huge numbers of people.
And for the record, there are male porn stars I (and other women) like to watch but who get paid far less than female porn stars who aren't at the top of the game. Women watch porn, too.
So they get paid what they can demand. Just like a plumber or a decorator. Really, it is not a difficult economic equation."
But that's part of what I'm saying. I bet some of the men can demand more based on their market. But because wages for men are generally lower they get away with paying all men lower.
This is part of the reason equal pay acts were written in the first place. |
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I just think that equiality should be just that eh . Equiality with every paid job . Obviously a litter picker aint gonna be paid the same as a rocket scientist . |
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The problem with any "equality" is that it often doesn't work in the "real world". Just one example of massive injustice - I have 2 cousins who are both police officers - one (male) in a very busy inner city area of Manchester - the pressure is unbelievable due to the sheer amount of crime - it's also quite dangerous. The other is a female who is a 'neighbourhood officer' in a rural part of Devon - who admits she does fuck all basically (because there's not a lot to do except talk to farmers and sheep). Both get paid exactly the same - it's utter bollocks! In this case, it's actually nothing to do with gender - just the issue of how farcical the "equal pay for the same job" argument is in many circumstances. |
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"The problem with any "equality" is that it often doesn't work in the "real world". Just one example of massive injustice - I have 2 cousins who are both police officers - one (male) in a very busy inner city area of Manchester - the pressure is unbelievable due to the sheer amount of crime - it's also quite dangerous. The other is a female who is a 'neighbourhood officer' in a rural part of Devon - who admits she does fuck all basically (because there's not a lot to do except talk to farmers and sheep). Both get paid exactly the same - it's utter bollocks! In this case, it's actually nothing to do with gender - just the issue of how farcical the "equal pay for the same job" argument is in many circumstances."
the commonality is across the role and both need to have the same skill set, albeit one may not be as busy as the other equally they both need to be able to do the same job..
its a bit like firefighters, the role is the same and the pay for that basic role is the same also..
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"The problem with any "equality" is that it often doesn't work in the "real world". Just one example of massive injustice - I have 2 cousins who are both police officers - one (male) in a very busy inner city area of Manchester - the pressure is unbelievable due to the sheer amount of crime - it's also quite dangerous. The other is a female who is a 'neighbourhood officer' in a rural part of Devon - who admits she does fuck all basically (because there's not a lot to do except talk to farmers and sheep). Both get paid exactly the same - it's utter bollocks! In this case, it's actually nothing to do with gender - just the issue of how farcical the "equal pay for the same job" argument is in many circumstances.
the commonality is across the role and both need to have the same skill set, albeit one may not be as busy as the other equally they both need to be able to do the same job..
its a bit like firefighters, the role is the same and the pay for that basic role is the same also..
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can't agree - the Manchester officer has had fraud training and firearms training because that's what is needed in that area - the Devon officer has had "wildlife crime" training (!) and how to recognise different breeds of sheep The basic training for the first couple of months may be the same but the jobs are about as different as chalk and cheese (and both actually agree on that point - it's been debated many times) |
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"The problem with any "equality" is that it often doesn't work in the "real world". Just one example of massive injustice - I have 2 cousins who are both police officers - one (male) in a very busy inner city area of Manchester - the pressure is unbelievable due to the sheer amount of crime - it's also quite dangerous. The other is a female who is a 'neighbourhood officer' in a rural part of Devon - who admits she does fuck all basically (because there's not a lot to do except talk to farmers and sheep). Both get paid exactly the same - it's utter bollocks! In this case, it's actually nothing to do with gender - just the issue of how farcical the "equal pay for the same job" argument is in many circumstances.
the commonality is across the role and both need to have the same skill set, albeit one may not be as busy as the other equally they both need to be able to do the same job..
its a bit like firefighters, the role is the same and the pay for that basic role is the same also..
can't agree - the Manchester officer has had fraud training and firearms training because that's what is needed in that area - the Devon officer has had "wildlife crime" training (!) and how to recognise different breeds of sheep The basic training for the first couple of months may be the same but the jobs are about as different as chalk and cheese (and both actually agree on that point - it's been debated many times) "
but both have the same basic police skills, putting them on different pay because they are more busy in the urban force would suck the rural area dry..
It used to be the case that extra skills attracted an increment but they have largely gone due to 'reform/modernisation' or are being made part of the basic role map where those skills are needed..
i thought a sheep was just the same as err another sheep..
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"The problem with any "equality" is that it often doesn't work in the "real world". Just one example of massive injustice - I have 2 cousins who are both police officers - one (male) in a very busy inner city area of Manchester - the pressure is unbelievable due to the sheer amount of crime - it's also quite dangerous. The other is a female who is a 'neighbourhood officer' in a rural part of Devon - who admits she does fuck all basically (because there's not a lot to do except talk to farmers and sheep). Both get paid exactly the same - it's utter bollocks! In this case, it's actually nothing to do with gender - just the issue of how farcical the "equal pay for the same job" argument is in many circumstances.
the commonality is across the role and both need to have the same skill set, albeit one may not be as busy as the other equally they both need to be able to do the same job..
its a bit like firefighters, the role is the same and the pay for that basic role is the same also..
can't agree - the Manchester officer has had fraud training and firearms training because that's what is needed in that area - the Devon officer has had "wildlife crime" training (!) and how to recognise different breeds of sheep The basic training for the first couple of months may be the same but the jobs are about as different as chalk and cheese (and both actually agree on that point - it's been debated many times) "
Yes but the pay off in Manchester will be career progression opportunities.
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"The problem with any "equality" is that it often doesn't work in the "real world". Just one example of massive injustice - I have 2 cousins who are both police officers - one (male) in a very busy inner city area of Manchester - the pressure is unbelievable due to the sheer amount of crime - it's also quite dangerous. The other is a female who is a 'neighbourhood officer' in a rural part of Devon - who admits she does fuck all basically (because there's not a lot to do except talk to farmers and sheep). Both get paid exactly the same - it's utter bollocks! In this case, it's actually nothing to do with gender - just the issue of how farcical the "equal pay for the same job" argument is in many circumstances.
the commonality is across the role and both need to have the same skill set, albeit one may not be as busy as the other equally they both need to be able to do the same job..
its a bit like firefighters, the role is the same and the pay for that basic role is the same also..
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