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 good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services | |||
" good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services "Yeah London would be horrible if it wasn't full of bankers  | |||
" good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services "Yup pay my bills | |||
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" good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services
Yeah London would be horrible if it wasn't full of bankers"Square mile in London (it's workers) pay more tax than the entire UK population put together 0.5% of these people are bankers as in big bonus, 99.5% are normal workers that just happen to get paid a lot as they work in London I worked in HSBC for 2 years and not once did I meet a 'banker' | |||
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" good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services
Yeah London would be horrible if it wasn't full of bankers
Square mile in London (it's workers) pay more tax than the entire UK population put together
0.5% of these people are bankers as in big bonus, 99.5% are normal workers that just happen to get paid a lot as they work in London
I worked in HSBC for 2 years and not once did I meet a 'banker'"It was a facetious remark! It's not the people I have a problem with, not the majority anyway, maybe some of the bosses. I have a problem with any company that requires government bailouts though (not HSBC though) | |||
"It's the only industry left in this country, don't knock it" Yeah it is. Other than software, oil and gas, telecoms, aerospace & defence, car manufacturing and global services companies like babcock and serco. | |||
"It's the only industry left in this country, don't knock it Yeah it is. Other than software, oil and gas, telecoms, aerospace & defence, car manufacturing and global services companies like babcock and serco. "
......and Rolls Royce, BAE Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, B and every F1 manufacturer bar one being here.
Got to love the 10 second wisecrackers who run down their own country and think its clever... | |||
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"It's the only industry left in this country, don't knock it Yeah it is. Other than software, oil and gas, telecoms, aerospace & defence, car manufacturing and global services companies like babcock and serco.
......and Rolls Royce, BAE Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, B and every F1 manufacturer bar one being here.
Got to love the 10 second wisecrackers who run down their own country and think its clever..."Basic common sense would tell you that the world's 5th largest economy would not be concentrated in 1 industry. | |||
"It's the only industry left in this country, don't knock it Yeah it is. Other than software, oil and gas, telecoms, aerospace & defence, car manufacturing and global services companies like babcock and serco.
......and Rolls Royce, BAE Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, B and every F1 manufacturer bar one being here.
Got to love the 10 second wisecrackers who run down their own country and think its clever..."which Rolls Royce, do you mean the German one? Obviously F1 for all its Kudos employs millions of people too. If you added up all the people that work in those industries they will still add up to less and earn this country less than the Banking sector. Stick to what you know | |||
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"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say .... "
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here. | |||
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"It's the only industry left in this country, don't knock it Yeah it is. Other than software, oil and gas, telecoms, aerospace & defence, car manufacturing and global services companies like babcock and serco.
......and Rolls Royce, BAE Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, B and every F1 manufacturer bar one being here.
Got to love the 10 second wisecrackers who run down their own country and think its clever...which Rolls Royce, do you mean the German one? Obviously F1 for all its Kudos employs millions of people too. If you added up all the people that work in those industries they will still add up to less and earn this country less than the Banking sector. Stick to what you know"They obviously don't but by all means post a link if you have some stats? | |||
"You are joking about oil and gas? Massive redundancy in last 12 months, only today BP announced another 10% rate cut (25% in last 12 months) for workers, and no choice to accept as no one else in the sector is hiring It's on its knees " Yeah you're right, that completely mitigates the point I was making. Financial services never has a downturn of its own. | |||
"Staying-put after-all.... Good to see the bluff being well and truly called..... "depends if its cos they smell money.. TTP for example., knowing that to some extent that bankers are above the law, some secret dodgy dealing shit with the government. . Etc | |||
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" I have a problem with any company that requires government bailouts though (not HSBC though) " seems relevant to repost this from a previous thread.... it's a grey area .... here's what michael cherkasky (i'm guessing yo know who he is)has said about hsbc and the 2008 crash .... "HSBC insured many behind the scenes products with AIG, and received over $1 Billion from AIG when the assets went bad. HSBC did manage to lose billions on subprime and lax lending in the United States. While HSBC did not receive bailout funds, HSBC did receive billions from AIG, after AIG received bailout funds. (the greater part of 180 billion) It is only through good public relations that HSBC was never recognized as one of the top ten subprime lenders in the United States, where practically all of that lax lending was through unregulated divisions of the bank. HSBC’s purchase of Household International was a failure. In four official protests to the OCC I personally told HSBC the deal would not work. This is the same OCC that failed miserably as a regulator, thus one must ask if HSBC and the OCC were both asleep. HSBC did not sail through the financial crisis. The truth is HSBC pulled the rug out from under many brokers and lenders without warning, resulting in broker and lender bankruptcy. That resulted in job losses, and job losses soon spread throughout the financial industry, including HSBC Finance. By early 2012 HSBC credit cards remained as the only active division of HSBC Finance" | |||
" I have a problem with any company that requires government bailouts though (not HSBC though) seems relevant to repost this from a previous thread.... it's a grey area .... here's what michael cherkasky (i'm guessing yo know who he is)has said about hsbc and the 2008 crash .... "HSBC insured many behind the scenes products with AIG, and received over $1 Billion from AIG when the assets went bad. HSBC did manage to lose billions on subprime and lax lending in the United States. While HSBC did not receive bailout funds, HSBC did receive billions from AIG, after AIG received bailout funds. (the greater part of 180 billion) It is only through good public relations that HSBC was never recognized as one of the top ten subprime lenders in the United States, where practically all of that lax lending was through unregulated divisions of the bank. HSBC’s purchase of Household International was a failure. In four official protests to the OCC I personally told HSBC the deal would not work. This is the same OCC that failed miserably as a regulator, thus one must ask if HSBC and the OCC were both asleep. HSBC did not sail through the financial crisis. The truth is HSBC pulled the rug out from under many brokers and lenders without warning, resulting in broker and lender bankruptcy. That resulted in job losses, and job losses soon spread throughout the financial industry, including HSBC Finance. By early 2012 HSBC credit cards remained as the only active division of HSBC Finance"" I hadn't forgotten your post and you do make valid points. However, there are different degrees of cunt and HSBC don't even come close to the clusterfuck that was RBS. | |||
" I have a problem with any company that requires government bailouts though (not HSBC though) seems relevant to repost this from a previous thread.... it's a grey area .... here's what michael cherkasky (i'm guessing yo know who he is)has said about hsbc and the 2008 crash .... "HSBC insured many behind the scenes products with AIG, and received over $1 Billion from AIG when the assets went bad. HSBC did manage to lose billions on subprime and lax lending in the United States. While HSBC did not receive bailout funds, HSBC did receive billions from AIG, after AIG received bailout funds. (the greater part of 180 billion) It is only through good public relations that HSBC was never recognized as one of the top ten subprime lenders in the United States, where practically all of that lax lending was through unregulated divisions of the bank. HSBC’s purchase of Household International was a failure. In four official protests to the OCC I personally told HSBC the deal would not work. This is the same OCC that failed miserably as a regulator, thus one must ask if HSBC and the OCC were both asleep. HSBC did not sail through the financial crisis. The truth is HSBC pulled the rug out from under many brokers and lenders without warning, resulting in broker and lender bankruptcy. That resulted in job losses, and job losses soon spread throughout the financial industry, including HSBC Finance. By early 2012 HSBC credit cards remained as the only active division of HSBC Finance" I hadn't forgotten your post and you do make valid points. However, there are different degrees of cunt and HSBC don't even come close to the clusterfuck that was RBS." on outward appearence they range from looking like a pretty haute couture purse at one end to a badly packed kebab at the other .... but underneath they are all just cunts | |||
"It's the only industry left in this country, don't knock it Yeah it is. Other than software, oil and gas, telecoms, aerospace & defence, car manufacturing and global services companies like babcock and serco.
......and Rolls Royce, BAE Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, B and every F1 manufacturer bar one being here.
Got to love the 10 second wisecrackers who run down their own country and think its clever..." | |||
"Staying-put after-all.... Good to see the bluff being well and truly called..... "But the disliked regulator given the push | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here. "Meanwhile, on Sky News http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive. Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK." | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."". Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say .... "Yawn. Nearly nodded off there. As the CEO pointed out today, they are cool on the result of the EU referendum as they have a wholesale bank in France that they could move 1000 London wholesale staff to... | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK.".
Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris?"I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there. | |||
"Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now. Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU. So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here. " It's always good to twist the facts to fit your views! You might want to listen to the interview with the HSBC CEO today. Yes, he's cool about the outcome of the EU referendum as HSBC have a wholesale bank in Paris that they can move 1000 London wholesale staff to if they need to. | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK.".
Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris?
I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.". Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK.""As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position. I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU. | |||
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"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris!" That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? | |||
"Just to conclude some of hsbc,s list of misdermeanours over the last few years. Laundering money for Mexican drug cartels. Laundering money for Hezbollah. Laundering money for Iran while on un sanctions. Forex market rigging. Libor Margret rigging. Harbouring criminal money in Swiss accounts. Tax evasion for the rich through Swiss accounts. But somehow for some reason... We should now belive every word the cheif exec now says as gospel "Even more so when they already did a u-turn on relocation to Hong Kong and they use vague language like "could be" or "probably" about moving 1000 jobs to Paris (while the headquarters remain in London) then we should take their word as gospel, lol.  | |||
"Just to conclude some of hsbc,s list of misdermeanours over the last few years. Laundering money for Mexican drug cartels. Laundering money for Hezbollah. Laundering money for Iran while on un sanctions. Forex market rigging. Libor Margret rigging. Harbouring criminal money in Swiss accounts. Tax evasion for the rich through Swiss accounts. But somehow for some reason... We should now belive every word the cheif exec now says as gospel "That's a bit short sighted of you. As Tom Brady says, if nobody broke the rules then there would be nobody employed to enforce them. Think of all the job losses that would lead to and how much worse the recession would be. Stop being so selfish and think of others. | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? " Wrong you have misquoted the HSBC chief executive there. It's Brexit 'could' or 'probably' lead to loss of British jobs to Paris and NOT 'would' as you just wrote there. | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
"You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things. Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion. Meanwhile, on Sky News http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive. | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK.".
Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris?
I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there..
Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations.
If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest.
There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case...
There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them.
I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years...
We might be better off with them in Paris!". It should be noted that all the bail out money has to be repaid and the government will eventually make a profit on the repayments . The real losers are the shareholders who have received little or no dividends from banks in the past seven or eight years . A large number of pension fund are or were dependent on dividend income from banks as are many pensioners .. | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? " . Of course they got the money.. How many subsidiaries has hsbc got?... Literally 1000s!. Who do you thinks been having all the QE 0% money?. Everybody's been bailed out... Apples been bailed out, they've borrowed 70 billion at 0% and spent it buying their own shares back, Tim cook is busy admitting it only the other week while trying to fight off the Carl icahn watchful eye. Hsbc is one of the most corrupt banks going and in that company that's not easy to do! | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? Wrong you have misquoted the HSBC chief executive there. It's Brexit 'could' or 'probably' lead to loss of British jobs to Paris and NOT 'would' as you just wrote there. " If your basic English isn't up to understanding what 'would' means you could or should stay out of the topic, but most certainly shouldn't be lecturing on the use of English. | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? . Of course they got the money.. How many subsidiaries has hsbc got?... Literally 1000s!. Who do you thinks been having all the QE 0% money?. Everybody's been bailed out... Apples been bailed out, they've borrowed 70 billion at 0% and spent it buying their own shares back, Tim cook is busy admitting it only the other week while trying to fight off the Carl icahn watchful eye. Hsbc is one of the most corrupt banks going and in that company that's not easy to do! " Since I've seen you do this dozens of times before I was just being your straight man feeding you the opportunity to play your punchline. Now I'm going to sit back and enjoy enjoy Centaur UKIP convincing everyone that your comments on corrupt banks support his corrupt comments on HSBC | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive."Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol. | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol. "Meanwhile, on Sky News http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK." Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit? PMSL | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? Wrong you have misquoted the HSBC chief executive there. It's Brexit 'could' or 'probably' lead to loss of British jobs to Paris and NOT 'would' as you just wrote there. If your basic English isn't up to understanding what 'would' means you could or should stay out of the topic, but most certainly shouldn't be lecturing on the use of English." Nothing wrong with my basic English thanks, i think you need to look up what 'would' means in the dictionary. You just misquoted the HSBC chief executive by using that word when he never said it! It's there on the thread for all to see so no idea why you would even attempt to deny it?????? And no i will not stay out of the topic as someone has to be there to pull you up when you blatantly misquote people. | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? Wrong you have misquoted the HSBC chief executive there. It's Brexit 'could' or 'probably' lead to loss of British jobs to Paris and NOT 'would' as you just wrote there. If your basic English isn't up to understanding what 'would' means you could or should stay out of the topic, but most certainly shouldn't be lecturing on the use of English. Nothing wrong with my basic English thanks, i think you need to look up what 'would' means in the dictionary. You just misquoted the HSBC chief executive by using that word when he never said it! It's there on the thread for all to see so no idea why you would even attempt to deny it?????? And no i will not stay out of the topic as someone has to be there to pull you up when you blatantly misquote people. " You are a true hostage to fortune. The last sentence of the quote was "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK." What's that word beginning with w? | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? . Of course they got the money.. How many subsidiaries has hsbc got?... Literally 1000s!. Who do you thinks been having all the QE 0% money?. Everybody's been bailed out... Apples been bailed out, they've borrowed 70 billion at 0% and spent it buying their own shares back, Tim cook is busy admitting it only the other week while trying to fight off the Carl icahn watchful eye. Hsbc is one of the most corrupt banks going and in that company that's not easy to do! Since I've seen you do this dozens of times before I was just being your straight man feeding you the opportunity to play your punchline. Now I'm going to sit back and enjoy enjoy Centaur UKIP convincing everyone that your comments on corrupt banks support his corrupt comments on HSBC" . Hey I've got no backers, no stake in this game!. Their utterly corrupt regardless of where their headquarters will be, the EU certainty won't do fuck all to stop them, Deutsch bank is the worst of the worst for bent dealings... You wanna keep the EU, then I suggest you keep your eye on Deutsch bank, coz WHEN that goes pop.. You can kiss the euro the EU goodbye | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit?
PMSL "Yet more could be's, probablys, maybes and possiblys, lol, while the headquarters of HSBC still remain in London. | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit?
PMSL
Yet more could be's, probablys, maybes and possiblys, lol, while the headquarters of HSBC still remain in London. "Sadly for you, 10 minutes after you chose to brag about the views of HSBC, the chief executive said the exact opposite to what you would like people to believe. I know that you are in a cycle of grief about this and are currently going through denial. Later it'll be anger and eventually you'll get to acceptance that you were just unlucky at the timing of your choice of companies. Never trust a banker. Or a UKIP news briefing. As a little reminder for you - here's the link again, where the cast iron example you gave of jobs not being at risk of moving to France turned up its heels and died. Normally I'm not actually in favour of scaremongering but this one is just... what's that word.. Schadenfreude. http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK." Does that sound like someone who is saying that Brexit is a good thing? You haven't answered that. | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? Wrong you have misquoted the HSBC chief executive there. It's Brexit 'could' or 'probably' lead to loss of British jobs to Paris and NOT 'would' as you just wrote there. If your basic English isn't up to understanding what 'would' means you could or should stay out of the topic, but most certainly shouldn't be lecturing on the use of English. Nothing wrong with my basic English thanks, i think you need to look up what 'would' means in the dictionary. You just misquoted the HSBC chief executive by using that word when he never said it! It's there on the thread for all to see so no idea why you would even attempt to deny it?????? And no i will not stay out of the topic as someone has to be there to pull you up when you blatantly misquote people. You are a true hostage to fortune. The last sentence of the quote was "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK." What's that word beginning with w?" Come on, you were accusing me of misquoting. What was that word beginning with w that you were so worked up about? And where does it appear in the quote of what was said? I'll give you a clue - it's just a few lines up. | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? Wrong you have misquoted the HSBC chief executive there. It's Brexit 'could' or 'probably' lead to loss of British jobs to Paris and NOT 'would' as you just wrote there. If your basic English isn't up to understanding what 'would' means you could or should stay out of the topic, but most certainly shouldn't be lecturing on the use of English. Nothing wrong with my basic English thanks, i think you need to look up what 'would' means in the dictionary. You just misquoted the HSBC chief executive by using that word when he never said it! It's there on the thread for all to see so no idea why you would even attempt to deny it?????? And no i will not stay out of the topic as someone has to be there to pull you up when you blatantly misquote people. You are a true hostage to fortune. The last sentence of the quote was "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK." What's that word beginning with w?" Nice try, only that wasn't what you wrote earlier in the thread, lol. I wasn't referring to that sentence. The sentence I was referring to was when you said, "Brexit WOULD lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive." So yes you blatantly misquoted when you said that. | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? Wrong you have misquoted the HSBC chief executive there. It's Brexit 'could' or 'probably' lead to loss of British jobs to Paris and NOT 'would' as you just wrote there. If your basic English isn't up to understanding what 'would' means you could or should stay out of the topic, but most certainly shouldn't be lecturing on the use of English. Nothing wrong with my basic English thanks, i think you need to look up what 'would' means in the dictionary. You just misquoted the HSBC chief executive by using that word when he never said it! It's there on the thread for all to see so no idea why you would even attempt to deny it?????? And no i will not stay out of the topic as someone has to be there to pull you up when you blatantly misquote people. You are a true hostage to fortune. The last sentence of the quote was "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK." What's that word beginning with w? Nice try, only that wasn't what you wrote earlier in the thread, lol. I wasn't referring to that sentence. The sentence I was referring to was when you said, "Brexit WOULD lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive." So yes you blatantly misquoted when you said that. " And what do you think that "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."" means? | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit?
PMSL
Yet more could be's, probablys, maybes and possiblys, lol, while the headquarters of HSBC still remain in London.
Sadly for you, 10 minutes after you chose to brag about the views of HSBC, the chief executive said the exact opposite to what you would like people to believe. I know that you are in a cycle of grief about this and are currently going through denial. Later it'll be anger and eventually you'll get to acceptance that you were just unlucky at the timing of your choice of companies. Never trust a banker. Or a UKIP news briefing.
As a little reminder for you - here's the link again, where the cast iron example you gave of jobs not being at risk of moving to France turned up its heels and died. Normally I'm not actually in favour of scaremongering but this one is just... what's that word.. Schadenfreude.
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is saying that Brexit is a good thing? You haven't answered that."You keep posting the same thing over and over so my reply will be the same over and over. The link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in the UK (which is what I said in my original comment on this thread). Even if the 1000 jobs possibly or maybe moved to Paris the headquarters WILL remain in London. | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? Wrong you have misquoted the HSBC chief executive there. It's Brexit 'could' or 'probably' lead to loss of British jobs to Paris and NOT 'would' as you just wrote there. If your basic English isn't up to understanding what 'would' means you could or should stay out of the topic, but most certainly shouldn't be lecturing on the use of English. Nothing wrong with my basic English thanks, i think you need to look up what 'would' means in the dictionary. You just misquoted the HSBC chief executive by using that word when he never said it! It's there on the thread for all to see so no idea why you would even attempt to deny it?????? And no i will not stay out of the topic as someone has to be there to pull you up when you blatantly misquote people. You are a true hostage to fortune. The last sentence of the quote was "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK." What's that word beginning with w? Nice try, only that wasn't what you wrote earlier in the thread, lol. I wasn't referring to that sentence. The sentence I was referring to was when you said, "Brexit WOULD lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive." So yes you blatantly misquoted when you said that. And what do you think that "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."" means?" That wasn't what you said earlier in the thread though, Lmao. | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit?
PMSL
Yet more could be's, probablys, maybes and possiblys, lol, while the headquarters of HSBC still remain in London.
Sadly for you, 10 minutes after you chose to brag about the views of HSBC, the chief executive said the exact opposite to what you would like people to believe. I know that you are in a cycle of grief about this and are currently going through denial. Later it'll be anger and eventually you'll get to acceptance that you were just unlucky at the timing of your choice of companies. Never trust a banker. Or a UKIP news briefing.
As a little reminder for you - here's the link again, where the cast iron example you gave of jobs not being at risk of moving to France turned up its heels and died. Normally I'm not actually in favour of scaremongering but this one is just... what's that word.. Schadenfreude.
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is saying that Brexit is a good thing? You haven't answered that.
You keep posting the same thing over and over so my reply will be the same over and over. The link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in the UK (which is what I said in my original comment on this thread). Even if the 1000 jobs possibly or maybe moved to Paris the headquarters WILL remain in London.
"So where you said "So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here." you were wrong weren't you? Now you're going to say, yet again " but they're keeping their headquarters in London", which is a holding company function. Do you have any idea what the ring fenced businesses do? Go back and read the Sky quote and ask yourself what the relative value is of the jobs going to Paris against those staying in London if Brexit occurs. But then again, you know nothing about the banking businesses so you don't really care and you won't bother to find out. Those thousand people are a solid chunk of business. | |||
"Do they allow unlimited rehypothacation in Paris? I wouldn't know but it seems that they definitely allow British based businesses to be transferred there.. Financial institutions are not bound by borders, there bound by regulations. If you look, you'll find ares are the Slackest. There'll stay here no matter what, as long as that's the case... There'll also fuck off regardless of EU in or out if we tighten them. I'd suggest after spending over 500 billon bailing them out(that's just what's on the books) over the last eight years... We might be better off with them in Paris! That might be a valid view in your mind, the nett effect is the same: Brexit would lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive. That's 20% of their jobs in London that would be moved to the EU if the UK left it. Meanwhile HSBC seems to think it wasn't one of the banks that got money out of the £500bn bail out. Of course you may know better? Wrong you have misquoted the HSBC chief executive there. It's Brexit 'could' or 'probably' lead to loss of British jobs to Paris and NOT 'would' as you just wrote there. If your basic English isn't up to understanding what 'would' means you could or should stay out of the topic, but most certainly shouldn't be lecturing on the use of English. Nothing wrong with my basic English thanks, i think you need to look up what 'would' means in the dictionary. You just misquoted the HSBC chief executive by using that word when he never said it! It's there on the thread for all to see so no idea why you would even attempt to deny it?????? And no i will not stay out of the topic as someone has to be there to pull you up when you blatantly misquote people. You are a true hostage to fortune. The last sentence of the quote was "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK." What's that word beginning with w? Nice try, only that wasn't what you wrote earlier in the thread, lol. I wasn't referring to that sentence. The sentence I was referring to was when you said, "Brexit WOULD lead to loss of British jobs to Paris according to HSBC's chief executive." So yes you blatantly misquoted when you said that. And what do you think that "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."" means? That wasn't what you said earlier in the thread though, Lmao. "It's best to laugh if you don't understand - there's no point you getting down about it. Now answer the question - which bit of the HSBC Chief Executive's words said that they were in favour of Brexit? ANd which of those words said what would happen in the case of Brexit? | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit?
PMSL
Yet more could be's, probablys, maybes and possiblys, lol, while the headquarters of HSBC still remain in London.
Sadly for you, 10 minutes after you chose to brag about the views of HSBC, the chief executive said the exact opposite to what you would like people to believe. I know that you are in a cycle of grief about this and are currently going through denial. Later it'll be anger and eventually you'll get to acceptance that you were just unlucky at the timing of your choice of companies. Never trust a banker. Or a UKIP news briefing.
As a little reminder for you - here's the link again, where the cast iron example you gave of jobs not being at risk of moving to France turned up its heels and died. Normally I'm not actually in favour of scaremongering but this one is just... what's that word.. Schadenfreude.
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is saying that Brexit is a good thing? You haven't answered that.
You keep posting the same thing over and over so my reply will be the same over and over. The link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in the UK (which is what I said in my original comment on this thread). Even if the 1000 jobs possibly or maybe moved to Paris the headquarters WILL remain in London.
So where you said "So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here." you were wrong weren't you? Now you're going to say, yet again " but they're keeping their headquarters in London", which is a holding company function. Do you have any idea what the ring fenced businesses do? Go back and read the Sky quote and ask yourself what the relative value is of the jobs going to Paris against those staying in London if Brexit occurs. But then again, you know nothing about the banking businesses so you don't really care and you won't bother to find out. Those thousand people are a solid chunk of business. "No I wasn't wrong at all. The HSBC business headquarters are staying here, (the link you provided confirms it) by your own calculations on this thread you said the 1000 jobs were 20% of London HSBC jobs so that still leaves 80% of London HSBC jobs here in the UK. That's assuming that they ever move 1000 jobs at all? As I've already explained the HSBC chief executive used very vague language with the 'could be' and 'probably' when talking about the 1000 jobs so that is not a definitive statement about moving jobs at all. So yes at this stage you are guilty of scaremongering. | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit?
PMSL
Yet more could be's, probablys, maybes and possiblys, lol, while the headquarters of HSBC still remain in London.
Sadly for you, 10 minutes after you chose to brag about the views of HSBC, the chief executive said the exact opposite to what you would like people to believe. I know that you are in a cycle of grief about this and are currently going through denial. Later it'll be anger and eventually you'll get to acceptance that you were just unlucky at the timing of your choice of companies. Never trust a banker. Or a UKIP news briefing.
As a little reminder for you - here's the link again, where the cast iron example you gave of jobs not being at risk of moving to France turned up its heels and died. Normally I'm not actually in favour of scaremongering but this one is just... what's that word.. Schadenfreude.
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is saying that Brexit is a good thing? You haven't answered that.
You keep posting the same thing over and over so my reply will be the same over and over. The link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in the UK (which is what I said in my original comment on this thread). Even if the 1000 jobs possibly or maybe moved to Paris the headquarters WILL remain in London.
So where you said "So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here." you were wrong weren't you? Now you're going to say, yet again " but they're keeping their headquarters in London", which is a holding company function. Do you have any idea what the ring fenced businesses do? Go back and read the Sky quote and ask yourself what the relative value is of the jobs going to Paris against those staying in London if Brexit occurs. But then again, you know nothing about the banking businesses so you don't really care and you won't bother to find out. Those thousand people are a solid chunk of business.
No I wasn't wrong at all. The HSBC business headquarters are staying here, (the link you provided confirms it) by your own calculations on this thread you said the 1000 jobs were 20% of London HSBC jobs so that still leaves 80% of London HSBC jobs here in the UK. That's assuming that they ever move 1000 jobs at all?
As I've already explained the HSBC chief executive used very vague language with the 'could be' and 'probably' when talking about the 1000 jobs so that is not a definitive statement about moving jobs at all.
So yes at this stage you are guilty of scaremongering. "Still in denial I see. You carry on with your Ostrich politics. Hopefully you'll get the kick up the arse they deserve and not the rest of the country. While your head is down their in the sand, reflect on that you've accepted that jobs would be lost. Now that may be just that one company. Everyone else could be hunky dorey. Oh no did I mention what the chairman of Ford motors (the UK's largest motor manufacturer by a mile) said? I'll save that one for another time. For now remember: "Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters". You got that word 'not' didn't you? And try to remember that the ring fenced businesses are the important money making (or some might say losing) bits of the business, so when the Chief Executive of HSBC says about that entire business "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK" it means important UK jobs lost because of Brexit. Don't forget that the road to recovery comes after denial and anger. You'll get there in the end. Good night and enjoy your next post(s). I'm sure I'll find them unenlightening but I have to sleep now. Got some fucking bankers to talk to tomorrow. | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit?
PMSL
Yet more could be's, probablys, maybes and possiblys, lol, while the headquarters of HSBC still remain in London.
Sadly for you, 10 minutes after you chose to brag about the views of HSBC, the chief executive said the exact opposite to what you would like people to believe. I know that you are in a cycle of grief about this and are currently going through denial. Later it'll be anger and eventually you'll get to acceptance that you were just unlucky at the timing of your choice of companies. Never trust a banker. Or a UKIP news briefing.
As a little reminder for you - here's the link again, where the cast iron example you gave of jobs not being at risk of moving to France turned up its heels and died. Normally I'm not actually in favour of scaremongering but this one is just... what's that word.. Schadenfreude.
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is saying that Brexit is a good thing? You haven't answered that.
You keep posting the same thing over and over so my reply will be the same over and over. The link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in the UK (which is what I said in my original comment on this thread). Even if the 1000 jobs possibly or maybe moved to Paris the headquarters WILL remain in London.
So where you said "So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here." you were wrong weren't you? Now you're going to say, yet again " but they're keeping their headquarters in London", which is a holding company function. Do you have any idea what the ring fenced businesses do? Go back and read the Sky quote and ask yourself what the relative value is of the jobs going to Paris against those staying in London if Brexit occurs. But then again, you know nothing about the banking businesses so you don't really care and you won't bother to find out. Those thousand people are a solid chunk of business.
No I wasn't wrong at all. The HSBC business headquarters are staying here, (the link you provided confirms it) by your own calculations on this thread you said the 1000 jobs were 20% of London HSBC jobs so that still leaves 80% of London HSBC jobs here in the UK. That's assuming that they ever move 1000 jobs at all?
As I've already explained the HSBC chief executive used very vague language with the 'could be' and 'probably' when talking about the 1000 jobs so that is not a definitive statement about moving jobs at all.
So yes at this stage you are guilty of scaremongering.
Still in denial I see. You carry on with your Ostrich politics. Hopefully you'll get the kick up the arse they deserve and not the rest of the country. While your head is down their in the sand, reflect on that you've accepted that jobs would be lost. Now that may be just that one company. Everyone else could be hunky dorey. Oh no did I mention what the chairman of Ford motors (the UK's largest motor manufacturer by a mile) said? I'll save that one for another time.
For now remember: "Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters".
You got that word 'not' didn't you?
And try to remember that the ring fenced businesses are the important money making (or some might say losing) bits of the business, so when the Chief Executive of HSBC says about that entire business "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK" it means important UK jobs lost because of Brexit.
Don't forget that the road to recovery comes after denial and anger. You'll get there in the end. Good night and enjoy your next post(s). I'm sure I'll find them unenlightening but I have to sleep now. Got some fucking bankers to talk to tomorrow."What was it you said earlier in the thread about being In denial and having anger issues? You really should heed your own words and practice what you preach as it seems you are the one in denial and you clearly have anger issues.
For the record I've not accepted the jobs would be lost in the event of Brexit due to the HSBC's executive's vague language (could be's, maybes, possibly, or probably). Putting that aside I've not mentioned what Toyota's chief executive said about Brexit but that's a story for another time.
I'm sure I'll find your future scaremongering post(s) unenlightening tomorrow afternoon when I get home from work, I won't be talking to any bankers as they are not the type of people who I choose to associate myself with. I'll be talking to the real working class folk (who will be voting for Brexit) while I'm at work on the building site. | |||
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" ......and Rolls Royce, BAE Systems, GlaxoSmithKline, and every F1 manufacturer bar one being here. Got to love the 10 second wisecrackers who run down their own country and think its clever... which Rolls Royce, do you mean the German one? Obviously F1 for all its Kudos employs millions of people too. If you added up all the people that work in those industries they will still add up to less and earn this country less than the Banking sector. Stick to what you know" Oh I think I know more than you judging by that line of crap.... Well Rolls Royce being a huge British Company has invested abroad and all those profits come back to the UK where it is based and where it is registered and traded. It is NOT a German company. I think you confuse Rolls Royce's takeover of the German MTU engine business as somehow being 'German'. So the fact it makes some of its turbine blades in the USA and it supplies the propellers for the huge US Carriers from its plant in the USA makes it American? No its a British company doing great all over the world. Like it is supplying all the latest US ships with MT30 gas turbines. The same ones in the QE Carriers. And water jet drive systems for its Littoral ships. And who looks after every US aircraft fitted with a turboprop (like the C-130 Hercules) because it bought the failing Allison business and turned it round? Oh wait that makes it American ...?? And Airbus (another big investor and employer in the UK who make all their wings here) believe Rolls Royce are the best. They are the only engines fitted to the new A330neo, A350 and they they are fitted to 60% of the A380s. | |||
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"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit?
PMSL
Yet more could be's, probablys, maybes and possiblys, lol, while the headquarters of HSBC still remain in London.
Sadly for you, 10 minutes after you chose to brag about the views of HSBC, the chief executive said the exact opposite to what you would like people to believe. I know that you are in a cycle of grief about this and are currently going through denial. Later it'll be anger and eventually you'll get to acceptance that you were just unlucky at the timing of your choice of companies. Never trust a banker. Or a UKIP news briefing.
As a little reminder for you - here's the link again, where the cast iron example you gave of jobs not being at risk of moving to France turned up its heels and died. Normally I'm not actually in favour of scaremongering but this one is just... what's that word.. Schadenfreude.
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is saying that Brexit is a good thing? You haven't answered that.
You keep posting the same thing over and over so my reply will be the same over and over. The link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in the UK (which is what I said in my original comment on this thread). Even if the 1000 jobs possibly or maybe moved to Paris the headquarters WILL remain in London.
So where you said "So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here." you were wrong weren't you? Now you're going to say, yet again " but they're keeping their headquarters in London", which is a holding company function. Do you have any idea what the ring fenced businesses do? Go back and read the Sky quote and ask yourself what the relative value is of the jobs going to Paris against those staying in London if Brexit occurs. But then again, you know nothing about the banking businesses so you don't really care and you won't bother to find out. Those thousand people are a solid chunk of business.
No I wasn't wrong at all. The HSBC business headquarters are staying here, (the link you provided confirms it) by your own calculations on this thread you said the 1000 jobs were 20% of London HSBC jobs so that still leaves 80% of London HSBC jobs here in the UK. That's assuming that they ever move 1000 jobs at all?
As I've already explained the HSBC chief executive used very vague language with the 'could be' and 'probably' when talking about the 1000 jobs so that is not a definitive statement about moving jobs at all.
So yes at this stage you are guilty of scaremongering.
Still in denial I see. You carry on with your Ostrich politics. Hopefully you'll get the kick up the arse they deserve and not the rest of the country. While your head is down their in the sand, reflect on that you've accepted that jobs would be lost. Now that may be just that one company. Everyone else could be hunky dorey. Oh no did I mention what the chairman of Ford motors (the UK's largest motor manufacturer by a mile) said? I'll save that one for another time.
For now remember: "Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters".
You got that word 'not' didn't you?
And try to remember that the ring fenced businesses are the important money making (or some might say losing) bits of the business, so when the Chief Executive of HSBC says about that entire business "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK" it means important UK jobs lost because of Brexit.
Don't forget that the road to recovery comes after denial and anger. You'll get there in the end. Good night and enjoy your next post(s). I'm sure I'll find them unenlightening but I have to sleep now. Got some fucking bankers to talk to tomorrow."Don't go to bed,I was enjoying this | |||
"Just a thought... So what if HSBC ship 1,000 jobs off to Paris after a Brexit? We have created 1,000 new jobs a day in the UK since 2010 ... Never know the 1,000 may move to Paris as well ... sorted." It's wonderful how the uk has prospered inside the eu isn't it? Now what fools would want to put that at risk? | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
HSBC announced they were scrapping the Hong Kong relocation idea and staying put in London last week. Of course if the pro EU side and their 'project fear' tactics were to be believed HSBC would move to France or Germany but that isn't happening, they are staying in London even if we leave the EU and that is pretty much set in stone now.
Same can be said for Toyota who announced a few weeks ago they are staying in the UK even if we leave the EU.
So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters.
However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London.
"If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said.
In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
As I said then even If they move 1000 bankers jobs to France the HSBC headquarters WILL still remain in London. No ifs or buts that is the HSBC position.
I think the two key points on what you wrote are "they could be moved" and "would probably shift". Sorry but "could be" and "probably" are neither here nor there and those words go along well with "maybe" or "possibly" and given HSBC's bluff on the Hong Kong relocation I don't put much credence into possibly, could be, maybe, probably or whichever other vague word you or HSBC care to replace it with. As the doors said above they know they are onto a good thing with London, and London being one of if not the financial capital of the world no way are they going to chuck it all in and up sticks if we leave the EU.
You are d*unk on your own propaganda and clutching at straws. Sadly over there in little England you have very little idea of how these people operate and, if you did, wouldn't say such daft things.
Now there's no point in me debating with you because you'll get upset when you don't understand and in your frustration will get insulting as you usually do. Keep on typing lies from HQ and don't bother to let real world truths change your opinion.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Around 1,000 London-based jobs at HSBC's investment banking arm could be moved to Paris if Britain votes to leave the European Union (EU), according to the group's chief executive.
Yes the link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in London even if they move 1000 jobs to Paris the headquarters will still remain in London, so thanks for bringing everyone upto speed on that new development, lol.
Meanwhile, on Sky News
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters. However, he said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is pro Brexit?
PMSL
Yet more could be's, probablys, maybes and possiblys, lol, while the headquarters of HSBC still remain in London.
Sadly for you, 10 minutes after you chose to brag about the views of HSBC, the chief executive said the exact opposite to what you would like people to believe. I know that you are in a cycle of grief about this and are currently going through denial. Later it'll be anger and eventually you'll get to acceptance that you were just unlucky at the timing of your choice of companies. Never trust a banker. Or a UKIP news briefing.
As a little reminder for you - here's the link again, where the cast iron example you gave of jobs not being at risk of moving to France turned up its heels and died. Normally I'm not actually in favour of scaremongering but this one is just... what's that word.. Schadenfreude.
http://news.sky.com/story/1642265/hsbc-could-shift-uk-jobs-to-paris-over-brexit
Speaking to Sky News, Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said that a decision to leave the EU would mean that HSBC would probably shift a number of jobs in what will become its non-ring-fenced bank away from London. "If the UK leaves the EU it could have a significant impact on our non-ring-fenced bank - our trading room, corporate banking and investment banking - although it would not have an impact on our holding company domicile," he said. In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK."
Does that sound like someone who is saying that Brexit is a good thing? You haven't answered that.
You keep posting the same thing over and over so my reply will be the same over and over. The link you posted confirms the HSBC headquarters will remain in the UK (which is what I said in my original comment on this thread). Even if the 1000 jobs possibly or maybe moved to Paris the headquarters WILL remain in London.
So where you said "So don't believe the scaremongering from those who say we must stay in the EU to keep businesses here." you were wrong weren't you? Now you're going to say, yet again " but they're keeping their headquarters in London", which is a holding company function. Do you have any idea what the ring fenced businesses do? Go back and read the Sky quote and ask yourself what the relative value is of the jobs going to Paris against those staying in London if Brexit occurs. But then again, you know nothing about the banking businesses so you don't really care and you won't bother to find out. Those thousand people are a solid chunk of business.
No I wasn't wrong at all. The HSBC business headquarters are staying here, (the link you provided confirms it) by your own calculations on this thread you said the 1000 jobs were 20% of London HSBC jobs so that still leaves 80% of London HSBC jobs here in the UK. That's assuming that they ever move 1000 jobs at all?
As I've already explained the HSBC chief executive used very vague language with the 'could be' and 'probably' when talking about the 1000 jobs so that is not a definitive statement about moving jobs at all.
So yes at this stage you are guilty of scaremongering.
Still in denial I see. You carry on with your Ostrich politics. Hopefully you'll get the kick up the arse they deserve and not the rest of the country. While your head is down their in the sand, reflect on that you've accepted that jobs would be lost. Now that may be just that one company. Everyone else could be hunky dorey. Oh no did I mention what the chairman of Ford motors (the UK's largest motor manufacturer by a mile) said? I'll save that one for another time.
For now remember: "Stuart Gulliver, HSBC's chief executive, said the forthcoming referendum on Brexit was not a decisive factor in determining the future location of the bank's holding company headquarters".
You got that word 'not' didn't you?
And try to remember that the ring fenced businesses are the important money making (or some might say losing) bits of the business, so when the Chief Executive of HSBC says about that entire business "In that situation a number of jobs would leave the UK" it means important UK jobs lost because of Brexit.
Don't forget that the road to recovery comes after denial and anger. You'll get there in the end. Good night and enjoy your next post(s). I'm sure I'll find them unenlightening but I have to sleep now. Got some fucking bankers to talk to tomorrow.
What was it you said earlier in the thread about being In denial and having anger issues? You really should heed your own words and practice what you preach as it seems you are the one in denial and you clearly have anger issues.
For the record I've not accepted the jobs would be lost in the event of Brexit due to the HSBC's executive's vague language (could be's, maybes, possibly, or probably). Putting that aside I've not mentioned what Toyota's chief executive said about Brexit but that's a story for another time.
I'm sure I'll find your future scaremongering post(s) unenlightening tomorrow afternoon when I get home from work, I won't be talking to any bankers as they are not the type of people who I choose to associate myself with. I'll be talking to the real working class folk (who will be voting for Brexit) while I'm at work on the building site."You still avoid the questions but I probably guessed that you'd do that. Try this simple one: Was the chief executive of hsbc in favour of brexit? Say hi to the polish people on the site for me  | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow." | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow." Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. " I hope you realise that that the situation won't change if you vote for Brexit. If we want to carry on free trade with the EU, we have to accept their free trade rules. Whether we are inside the EU or not. And that will include free movement of people. Now I know, we are not Norway - we've had the discussion before and I accept we don't have the fjords - but you might want to look at how much Norway can control its border with the EU. | |||
"Just a thought... So what if HSBC ship 1,000 jobs off to Paris after a Brexit? We have created 1,000 new jobs a day in the UK since 2010 ... Never know the 1,000 may move to Paris as well ... sorted." 1000 jobs a day from 2010 to 2015....whilst we were in the EU. The UK has a brilliant record of inward investment. A lot of that is because we are in the EU. Non-EU companies setting up here because we are an easy country to operate in and we are in the EU. A large chunk of that inward investment from EU companies investing here, because we are part of the EU. You are just ignoring reality if you are using our past job creation record to justify life after Brexit | |||
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"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. " You probably just did. Anyone who has read your posts over the last year would probably be highly justified in doubting either that you have social chit chat with polish people or ever express the slightest interest to them about their concerns. If you didn't have your head in the sand you'd probably notice that most people nationally haven't seen a lot of wage growth for a while during a period of low inflation. It tends to happen on emerging from a recession as slack in capacity is picked up. Your building site is in this nation isn't it? Lots of people will probably wonder how difficult you found it to get a job on a site with all that cheap competition. I'd probably guess that you work hard but others might not be so charitable. Some would probably notice that you didn't claim that your wages were being held down just "most tradesmen" Some probably might point out that according to the ukip manifesto all those foreign workers would be able to stay in the country after a Brexit so your confused thinking won't help you. They'd still be there post Brexit and needed. Then again farage would probaby dump his own manifesto for political convenience like he did the previous one. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. " Yeah I kinda of know as work is being globalised so now most large firms employ foreign IT or legal staff. That also compresses wages. Is UKIP seriously going to stop that ? All that would happen is the business relocate to another more open economy whether we are in or outside the EU. The inconsistencies from UKIP about economic reality are mind blowing. | |||
"Better Hookers in Paris " . Yeah but the illegal drugs are well more expensive... I mean those bonuses will have to do way up!. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. Yeah I kinda of know as work is being globalised so now most large firms employ foreign IT or legal staff. That also compresses wages. Is UKIP seriously going to stop that ? All that would happen is the business relocate to another more open economy whether we are in or outside the EU. The inconsistencies from UKIP about economic reality are mind blowing. " Welcome to capitalism, the only economic system to consistently increase living standards. How does that happen? Fundamentally, stuff gets cheaper over time. It's not nice when it's your job getting undercut from foreign competition, I get that, but protectionism never benefitted a country in the long run either. | |||
"Better Hookers in Paris " I can't really imagine a French hooker that isn't chain smoking and find that a bit off putting. I blame Robin Williams. | |||
" good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services
Yeah London would be horrible if it wasn't full of bankers"Did you say errm .....wankers or bankers? | |||
" good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services
Yeah London would be horrible if it wasn't full of bankers
Did you say errm .....wankers or bankers?"I'm not sure, what's the difference? | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. " hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners. | |||
" good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services
Yeah London would be horrible if it wasn't full of bankers
Did you say errm .....wankers or bankers?
I'm not sure, what's the difference? "Not really sure but I am sure one of them wears a suit. I am confused. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners." Careful, it almost sounds like you're endorsing schumpeters creative destruction there? Although I completely agree with you which is unusual... | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners. Careful, it almost sounds like you're endorsing schumpeters creative destruction there? Although I completely agree with you which is unusual... " i think i'm having a heart attack!!  | |||
" good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services
Yeah London would be horrible if it wasn't full of bankers
Did you say errm .....wankers or bankers?
I'm not sure, what's the difference?
Not really sure but I am sure one of them wears a suit. I am confused."The difference between a wanker and a banker is that a wankers knows what he is doing. Thank you, I'm here all week. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners. Careful, it almost sounds like you're endorsing schumpeters creative destruction there? Although I completely agree with you which is unusual... i think i'm having a heart attack!! "It's twice in one thread. Is it your other half writing or something? Are you one of those odd couples where one is a looney left and the other is a short selling, take-no-prisoners day trader? | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners. Careful, it almost sounds like you're endorsing schumpeters creative destruction there? Although I completely agree with you which is unusual... i think i'm having a heart attack!!
It's twice in one thread. Is it your other half writing or something? Are you one of those odd couples where one is a looney left and the other is a short selling, take-no-prisoners day trader? "no, i'm a mutoid ..... mutate and survive google it | |||
" good news whatever people think about banking. We need London to remain a true World Leader in Financial services
Yeah London would be horrible if it wasn't full of bankers
Did you say errm .....wankers or bankers?
I'm not sure, what's the difference?
Not really sure but I am sure one of them wears a suit. I am confused.
The difference between a wanker and a banker is that a wankers knows what he is doing.
Thank you, I'm here all week. "Bom tish I'm here all week, try the fish  | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners. Careful, it almost sounds like you're endorsing schumpeters creative destruction there? Although I completely agree with you which is unusual... i think i'm having a heart attack!!
It's twice in one thread. Is it your other half writing or something? Are you one of those odd couples where one is a looney left and the other is a short selling, take-no-prisoners day trader?
no, i'm a mutoid ..... mutate and survive
google it"Yikes! and yet you had the good sense to foresee that wages cannot be indefinately proped up above competitive rates... | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners. Careful, it almost sounds like you're endorsing schumpeters creative destruction there? Although I completely agree with you which is unusual... i think i'm having a heart attack!!
It's twice in one thread. Is it your other half writing or something? Are you one of those odd couples where one is a looney left and the other is a short selling, take-no-prisoners day trader?
no, i'm a mutoid ..... mutate and survive
google it
Yikes! and yet you had the good sense to foresee that wages cannot be indefinately proped up above competitive rates..."doesn't work like that in construction, it's too much of a rat pit for normal economics to survive. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. " And the transport firm I drove for before packing it all in now employ a Bulgarian guy in the office to translate instructions to all their lovely new drivers. He sits beside the Romanian guy. And the Poles are up in arms at these 'foreigners' taking 'their' jobs. They didn't give two shits when they took my job at Scanias and put 40 people out of work at that transport firm .... As you say, me and the good Mr Littlejohn say: "You could not make it up" | |||
" I hope you realise that that the situation won't change if you vote for Brexit. If we want to carry on free trade with the EU, we have to accept their free trade rules. Whether we are inside the EU or not. And that will include free movement of people." Have you told the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Canadians, Americans, Brazilians , New Zealanders ... etc etc who freely trade with the countries of the EU and agree trade deals with the EU on their behalf? I am just wondering if a US Border Guard will be OK with me turning up without my green card and saying "Its Ok mate.. EU free Movement of people"  | |||
"Just a thought... So what if HSBC ship 1,000 jobs off to Paris after a Brexit? We have created 1,000 new jobs a day in the UK since 2010 ... Never know the 1,000 may move to Paris as well ... sorted. 1000 jobs a day from 2010 to 2015....whilst we were in the EU. The UK has a brilliant record of inward investment. A lot of that is because we are in the EU. Non-EU companies setting up here because we are an easy country to operate in and we are in the EU. A large chunk of that inward investment from EU companies investing here, because we are part of the EU. You are just ignoring reality if you are using our past job creation record to justify life after Brexit" British business is currently tied up in tons of EU red tape. We could cut all that EU business red tape away in the event of Brexit which would actually make Britain a more attractive place to do business and attract more investment here not less. | |||
"Just a thought... So what if HSBC ship 1,000 jobs off to Paris after a Brexit? We have created 1,000 new jobs a day in the UK since 2010 ... " Yes an investment bank is going to ship 1000 jobs to a country which has a top tax rate of 70%. The same bank which threatened to pull out of London if banking reforms went ahead because "these highly skilled and valued bankers will go overseas to work." No of course these "highly skilled bankers" won't jack in a French HSBC to find lucrative work in a more desirable location with looser tax laws. Will they?? | |||
"" I won't be talking to any bankers as they are not the type of people who I choose to associate myself with. I'll be talking to the real working class folk (who will be voting for Brexit) while I'm at work on the building site. " I probably guessed that you'd go off on one of your rants when I said I'd be meeting bankers. I probably won't let on to the folk at my local nationwide that you hate them for not being proper working class. They probably would be a little surprised at such dislike from someone they've never met. But they probably won't be too disappointed if they never meet you. It's probably because you didn't bother to read what I'd written and think about what it meant before you went off on one. Oh look - probably being used to express certainty." Well being as you paint this picture of yourself on the forum as this liberal leftie politically correct socialist, i'm suprised at your new found love for bankers, lol. Vast majority of people in the country seem to hold a low opinion of bankers now, after all the damaged they caused and being bailed out with taxpayers money it should come as no surprise to your new friends down at your local Nationwide. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. You probably just did. Anyone who has read your posts over the last year would probably be highly justified in doubting either that you have social chit chat with polish people or ever express the slightest interest to them about their concerns. If you didn't have your head in the sand you'd probably notice that most people nationally haven't seen a lot of wage growth for a while during a period of low inflation. It tends to happen on emerging from a recession as slack in capacity is picked up. Your building site is in this nation isn't it? Lots of people will probably wonder how difficult you found it to get a job on a site with all that cheap competition. I'd probably guess that you work hard but others might not be so charitable. Some would probably notice that you didn't claim that your wages were being held down just "most tradesmen" Some probably might point out that according to the ukip manifesto all those foreign workers would be able to stay in the country after a Brexit so your confused thinking won't help you. They'd still be there post Brexit and needed. Then again farage would probaby dump his own manifesto for political convenience like he did the previous one. " Yet again your post demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of the situation and many peoples very real concerns about wage compression up and down the country. This has been going on a lot longer than the recession but you already know that in fact it goes back to 2002/2003 when Blair and Browns Labour government estimated around 30,000 Poles would come here and in the real event that number went upto millions, (and we were powerless to stop them coming because of the EU's free movement of peoples rules) what a monumental fuck up that was!!!! In any event its not just the construction industry that is affected , Chalk already made a very good post about the Haulage business earlier in the thread, but as long as it does'nt affect you and your life i guess it does'nt matter. Just like you don't seem to care about our fishing industry which has been annihilated by the EU and all those fishermen whos livelihoods have been decimated by the EU. Never mind though i guess you can always toddle off down to your local Nationwide and have a cosy chat to your new banker friends about it all. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners." I'd be interested to know what you consider to be a "10 a penny trade" and that is insulting to use that kind of language to a lot of construction workers who may have spent years building up a skill or skills in certain trades. Wage compression is a very real concern to many people up and down the country, and the main reason for it is mass uncontrolled immigration. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. And the transport firm I drove for before packing it all in now employ a Bulgarian guy in the office to translate instructions to all their lovely new drivers. He sits beside the Romanian guy. And the Poles are up in arms at these 'foreigners' taking 'their' jobs. They didn't give two shits when they took my job at Scanias and put 40 people out of work at that transport firm .... As you say, me and the good Mr Littlejohn say: "You could not make it up" "Given your tendency to exaggerate and misstate numbers I doubt any figures you quote - even two shits. As I've been sad to note before you and centaur ukip both make it up on a regular basis. And if you think anyone believes you socialise with eastern Europeans to get your views you're as deluded as him | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. You probably just did. Anyone who has read your posts over the last year would probably be highly justified in doubting either that you have social chit chat with polish people or ever express the slightest interest to them about their concerns. If you didn't have your head in the sand you'd probably notice that most people nationally haven't seen a lot of wage growth for a while during a period of low inflation. It tends to happen on emerging from a recession as slack in capacity is picked up. Your building site is in this nation isn't it? Lots of people will probably wonder how difficult you found it to get a job on a site with all that cheap competition. I'd probably guess that you work hard but others might not be so charitable. Some would probably notice that you didn't claim that your wages were being held down just "most tradesmen" Some probably might point out that according to the ukip manifesto all those foreign workers would be able to stay in the country after a Brexit so your confused thinking won't help you. They'd still be there post Brexit and needed. Then again farage would probaby dump his own manifesto for political convenience like he did the previous one. Yet again your post demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of the situation and many peoples very real concerns about wage compression up and down the country. This has been going on a lot longer than the recession but you already know that in fact it goes back to 2002/2003 when Blair and Browns Labour government estimated around 30,000 Poles would come here and in the real event that number went upto millions, (and we were powerless to stop them coming because of the EU's free movement of peoples rules) what a monumental fuck up that was!!!! In any event its not just the construction industry that is affected , Chalk already made a very good post about the Haulage business earlier in the thread, but as long as it does'nt affect you and your life i guess it does'nt matter. Just like you don't seem to care about our fishing industry which has been annihilated by the EU and all those fishermen whos livelihoods have been decimated by the EU. Never mind though i guess you can always toddle off down to your local Nationwide and have a cosy chat to your new banker friends about it all. " Interestingly enough you still didn't say that your wages were reduced. You didn't tell how difficult it was for you to get a job. Other people did come on to say what a load of tosh you were spouting. | |||
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"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. You probably just did. Anyone who has read your posts over the last year would probably be highly justified in doubting either that you have social chit chat with polish people or ever express the slightest interest to them about their concerns. If you didn't have your head in the sand you'd probably notice that most people nationally haven't seen a lot of wage growth for a while during a period of low inflation. It tends to happen on emerging from a recession as slack in capacity is picked up. Your building site is in this nation isn't it? Lots of people will probably wonder how difficult you found it to get a job on a site with all that cheap competition. I'd probably guess that you work hard but others might not be so charitable. Some would probably notice that you didn't claim that your wages were being held down just "most tradesmen" Some probably might point out that according to the ukip manifesto all those foreign workers would be able to stay in the country after a Brexit so your confused thinking won't help you. They'd still be there post Brexit and needed. Then again farage would probaby dump his own manifesto for political convenience like he did the previous one. Yet again your post demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of the situation and many peoples very real concerns about wage compression up and down the country. This has been going on a lot longer than the recession but you already know that in fact it goes back to 2002/2003 when Blair and Browns Labour government estimated around 30,000 Poles would come here and in the real event that number went upto millions, (and we were powerless to stop them coming because of the EU's free movement of peoples rules) what a monumental fuck up that was!!!! In any event its not just the construction industry that is affected , Chalk already made a very good post about the Haulage business earlier in the thread, but as long as it does'nt affect you and your life i guess it does'nt matter. Just like you don't seem to care about our fishing industry which has been annihilated by the EU and all those fishermen whos livelihoods have been decimated by the EU. Never mind though i guess you can always toddle off down to your local Nationwide and have a cosy chat to your new banker friends about it all. " I've never mentioned the fishing industry that's another lie you made up. I challenged you to read the nfu report on farming's relationship to Europe and you didn't bother though you lied about that too and said you had then went off on a rant about mass immigration claiming the document supported your point of view when it said the exact opposite. If people on here really dont know this already they should know that anything they read from you should be taken with a mountain of salt | |||
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"" I won't be talking to any bankers as they are not the type of people who I choose to associate myself with. I'll be talking to the real working class folk (who will be voting for Brexit) while I'm at work on the building site. " I probably guessed that you'd go off on one of your rants when I said I'd be meeting bankers. I probably won't let on to the folk at my local nationwide that you hate them for not being proper working class. They probably would be a little surprised at such dislike from someone they've never met. But they probably won't be too disappointed if they never meet you. It's probably because you didn't bother to read what I'd written and think about what it meant before you went off on one. Oh look - probably being used to express certainty. Well being as you paint this picture of yourself on the forum as this liberal leftie politically correct socialist, i'm suprised at your new found love for bankers, lol. Vast majority of people in the country seem to hold a low opinion of bankers now, after all the damaged they caused and being bailed out with taxpayers money it should come as no surprise to your new friends down at your local Nationwide. " Lefties liberal socialists would consider me centrist or to the right and I'd challenge them too if they came up with the pack of lies and ignorance that you regularly do. I assume that you keep your money under the mattress or in the black economy if you feel such hatred for local bank staff. Then again it's a theme with you. You seem to hate almost everyone. Sad really that you are so insecure and put to discomfort by the existence of people different to you. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. And the transport firm I drove for before packing it all in now employ a Bulgarian guy in the office to translate instructions to all their lovely new drivers. He sits beside the Romanian guy. And the Poles are up in arms at these 'foreigners' taking 'their' jobs. They didn't give two shits when they took my job at Scanias and put 40 people out of work at that transport firm .... As you say, me and the good Mr Littlejohn say: "You could not make it up"
Given your tendency to exaggerate and misstate numbers I doubt any figures you quote - even two shits. As I've been sad to note before you and centaur ukip both make it up on a regular basis. And if you think anyone believes you socialise with eastern Europeans to get your views you're as deluded as him"So me and Chalk make it all up on the spot, despite the fact that we regularly provide links to back up what we say. Really i'm interested to know how you worked that one out? | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. You probably just did. Anyone who has read your posts over the last year would probably be highly justified in doubting either that you have social chit chat with polish people or ever express the slightest interest to them about their concerns. If you didn't have your head in the sand you'd probably notice that most people nationally haven't seen a lot of wage growth for a while during a period of low inflation. It tends to happen on emerging from a recession as slack in capacity is picked up. Your building site is in this nation isn't it? Lots of people will probably wonder how difficult you found it to get a job on a site with all that cheap competition. I'd probably guess that you work hard but others might not be so charitable. Some would probably notice that you didn't claim that your wages were being held down just "most tradesmen" Some probably might point out that according to the ukip manifesto all those foreign workers would be able to stay in the country after a Brexit so your confused thinking won't help you. They'd still be there post Brexit and needed. Then again farage would probaby dump his own manifesto for political convenience like he did the previous one. Yet again your post demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of the situation and many peoples very real concerns about wage compression up and down the country. This has been going on a lot longer than the recession but you already know that in fact it goes back to 2002/2003 when Blair and Browns Labour government estimated around 30,000 Poles would come here and in the real event that number went upto millions, (and we were powerless to stop them coming because of the EU's free movement of peoples rules) what a monumental fuck up that was!!!! In any event its not just the construction industry that is affected , Chalk already made a very good post about the Haulage business earlier in the thread, but as long as it does'nt affect you and your life i guess it does'nt matter. Just like you don't seem to care about our fishing industry which has been annihilated by the EU and all those fishermen whos livelihoods have been decimated by the EU. Never mind though i guess you can always toddle off down to your local Nationwide and have a cosy chat to your new banker friends about it all. Interestingly enough you still didn't say that your wages were reduced. You didn't tell how difficult it was for you to get a job. Other people did come on to say what a load of tosh you were spouting." Yes it was interesting to note that the people who agreed with you all have a pro EU stance on many threads on this forum. So they were not biased at all were they? | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners. I'd be interested to know what you consider to be a "10 a penny trade" " If I had to hazard a guess for a definition, I'd go with "jobs that were easily substituted by lower cost immigrant labour, noted for their stagnated wage rates as of late". | |||
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So the solution is isolationism. When the economy tanks I suppose it won't matter which type of worker it is as both kinds will be idle. "The EU economy is already on a nose dive, the euro is a basket case currency, so when the euro and the EU tanks it won't matter which type of worker it is as both kinds will be idle. | |||
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"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. You probably just did. Anyone who has read your posts over the last year would probably be highly justified in doubting either that you have social chit chat with polish people or ever express the slightest interest to them about their concerns. If you didn't have your head in the sand you'd probably notice that most people nationally haven't seen a lot of wage growth for a while during a period of low inflation. It tends to happen on emerging from a recession as slack in capacity is picked up. Your building site is in this nation isn't it? Lots of people will probably wonder how difficult you found it to get a job on a site with all that cheap competition. I'd probably guess that you work hard but others might not be so charitable. Some would probably notice that you didn't claim that your wages were being held down just "most tradesmen" Some probably might point out that according to the ukip manifesto all those foreign workers would be able to stay in the country after a Brexit so your confused thinking won't help you. They'd still be there post Brexit and needed. Then again farage would probaby dump his own manifesto for political convenience like he did the previous one. Yet again your post demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of the situation and many peoples very real concerns about wage compression up and down the country. This has been going on a lot longer than the recession but you already know that in fact it goes back to 2002/2003 when Blair and Browns Labour government estimated around 30,000 Poles would come here and in the real event that number went upto millions, (and we were powerless to stop them coming because of the EU's free movement of peoples rules) what a monumental fuck up that was!!!! In any event its not just the construction industry that is affected , Chalk already made a very good post about the Haulage business earlier in the thread, but as long as it does'nt affect you and your life i guess it does'nt matter. Just like you don't seem to care about our fishing industry which has been annihilated by the EU and all those fishermen whos livelihoods have been decimated by the EU. Never mind though i guess you can always toddle off down to your local Nationwide and have a cosy chat to your new banker friends about it all. Interestingly enough you still didn't say that your wages were reduced. You didn't tell how difficult it was for you to get a job. Other people did come on to say what a load of tosh you were spouting. Yes it was interesting to note that the people who agreed with you all have a pro EU stance on many threads on this forum. So they were not biased at all were they? "Oh poor you - are you the only person here with an unbiased view? I'm genuinely interested in the tale of hardship you've experienced in getting building jobs and how your wages have been depressed or is it just those mysterious 'other trades'? | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. And the transport firm I drove for before packing it all in now employ a Bulgarian guy in the office to translate instructions to all their lovely new drivers. He sits beside the Romanian guy. And the Poles are up in arms at these 'foreigners' taking 'their' jobs. They didn't give two shits when they took my job at Scanias and put 40 people out of work at that transport firm .... As you say, me and the good Mr Littlejohn say: "You could not make it up"
Given your tendency to exaggerate and misstate numbers I doubt any figures you quote - even two shits. As I've been sad to note before you and centaur ukip both make it up on a regular basis. And if you think anyone believes you socialise with eastern Europeans to get your views you're as deluded as him
So me and Chalk make it all up on the spot, despite the fact that we regularly provide links to back up what we say. Really i'm interested to know how you worked that one out? "And which Polish, Romanian or other nationality east Europeans have you been socialising with to hear their tales of woe? | |||
"Also it should be noted what the Lloyds bank Chief executive Lord Blackwell said about Brexit last October. Lord Blackwell who is a Tory peer said "The UK would remain an attractive global location whether or not it votes to leave the EU". He also said, " There are no compelling arguments for Britain to stay in the EU without significant reform". Now considering Cameron's renegotiation has not delivered any significant reform in the EU or our relationship to it, its clear what the Lloyds bank chief executives position on this must now be. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3271983/European-Union-change-no-compelling-economic-argument-stay-warns-Lloyds-bank-chairman.html" Another resounding eurosceptic statement, but wait let's go on to what he said next in the same speech: "Of course under any outcome it would be simplest to stay in the single market if we can do so while protecting the global competitiveness of the City of London and other key sectors from unwelcome regulation." There's a man with an clear vision of the world. That can be summarised as 'perhaps we should leave the single market so that we can ... um ... err.. rejoin it" You've got to love a banker who loves freedom of movement of goods, services and people ... oh that would be the EU. So what good is his support to Brexit supporters? After all he wants the benefits of a single market that you hate. I could point out that he also said he was speaking in a personal capacity - not on behalf of his bank but that was a stupid thing for him to say given how hard it is to divorce the man from the job. Meanwhile it's not up to you to say whether or not Lord Blackwell finds what Cameron has negotiated is compelling or not. You don't know and if you tried to guess you'd be making things up. Now there's a theme you can hum along to. I'll pause with the oddity of you quoting a banker for support yet you don't like bankers at all? Poor confused kipper. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11929853/No-compelling-arguments-for-staying-in-EU-without-major-reform-Lloyds-chairman-says.html | |||
"Also it should be noted what the Lloyds bank Chief executive Lord Blackwell said about Brexit last October. Lord Blackwell who is a Tory peer said "The UK would remain an attractive global location whether or not it votes to leave the EU". He also said, " There are no compelling arguments for Britain to stay in the EU without significant reform". Now considering Cameron's renegotiation has not delivered any significant reform in the EU or our relationship to it, its clear what the Lloyds bank chief executives position on this must now be. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3271983/European-Union-change-no-compelling-economic-argument-stay-warns-Lloyds-bank-chairman.html Another resounding eurosceptic statement, but wait let's go on to what he said next in the same speech: "Of course under any outcome it would be simplest to stay in the single market if we can do so while protecting the global competitiveness of the City of London and other key sectors from unwelcome regulation." There's a man with an clear vision of the world. That can be summarised as 'perhaps we should leave the single market so that we can ... um ... err.. rejoin it" You've got to love a banker who loves freedom of movement of goods, services and people ... oh that would be the EU. So what good is his support to Brexit supporters? After all he wants the benefits of a single market that you hate. I could point out that he also said he was speaking in a personal capacity - not on behalf of his bank but that was a stupid thing for him to say given how hard it is to divorce the man from the job. Meanwhile it's not up to you to say whether or not Lord Blackwell finds what Cameron has negotiated is compelling or not. You don't know and if you tried to guess you'd be making things up. Now there's a theme you can hum along to. I'll pause with the oddity of you quoting a banker for support yet you don't like bankers at all? Poor confused kipper. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11929853/No-compelling-arguments-for-staying-in-EU-without-major-reform-Lloyds-chairman-says.html" Well given a recent sky news poll put a number of 69% thought that Cameron's new EU deal is a bad deal for Britain, and just 31% thought it was a good deal it would seem the majority agree with me on that. Here is another tip for you.....You don't have to be friends with bankers (or chat with them down the local Nationwide, aww bless your old cotton socks ) to read, see or hear what the chief executives say on the news, lol. | |||
"Facts in the Daily Fail now that is a novelty "I find it to be more informative that that pile of shite called the guardian. | |||
"Also it should be noted what the Lloyds bank Chief executive Lord Blackwell said about Brexit last October. Lord Blackwell who is a Tory peer said "The UK would remain an attractive global location whether or not it votes to leave the EU". He also said, " There are no compelling arguments for Britain to stay in the EU without significant reform". Now considering Cameron's renegotiation has not delivered any significant reform in the EU or our relationship to it, its clear what the Lloyds bank chief executives position on this must now be. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3271983/European-Union-change-no-compelling-economic-argument-stay-warns-Lloyds-bank-chairman.html Another resounding eurosceptic statement, but wait let's go on to what he said next in the same speech: "Of course under any outcome it would be simplest to stay in the single market if we can do so while protecting the global competitiveness of the City of London and other key sectors from unwelcome regulation." There's a man with an clear vision of the world. That can be summarised as 'perhaps we should leave the single market so that we can ... um ... err.. rejoin it" You've got to love a banker who loves freedom of movement of goods, services and people ... oh that would be the EU. So what good is his support to Brexit supporters? After all he wants the benefits of a single market that you hate. I could point out that he also said he was speaking in a personal capacity - not on behalf of his bank but that was a stupid thing for him to say given how hard it is to divorce the man from the job. Meanwhile it's not up to you to say whether or not Lord Blackwell finds what Cameron has negotiated is compelling or not. You don't know and if you tried to guess you'd be making things up. Now there's a theme you can hum along to. I'll pause with the oddity of you quoting a banker for support yet you don't like bankers at all? Poor confused kipper. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/11929853/No-compelling-arguments-for-staying-in-EU-without-major-reform-Lloyds-chairman-says.html Well given a recent sky news poll put a number of 69% thought that Cameron's new EU deal is a bad deal for Britain, and just 31% thought it was a good deal it would seem the majority agree with me on that. Here is another tip for you.....You don't have to be friends with bankers (or chat with them down the local Nationwide, aww bless your old cotton socks ) to read, see or hear what the chief executives say on the news, lol. "So what's his view on the Cameron deal? | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. And the transport firm I drove for before packing it all in now employ a Bulgarian guy in the office to translate instructions to all their lovely new drivers. He sits beside the Romanian guy. And the Poles are up in arms at these 'foreigners' taking 'their' jobs. They didn't give two shits when they took my job at Scanias and put 40 people out of work at that transport firm .... As you say, me and the good Mr Littlejohn say: "You could not make it up"
Given your tendency to exaggerate and misstate numbers I doubt any figures you quote - even two shits. As I've been sad to note before you and centaur ukip both make it up on a regular basis. And if you think anyone believes you socialise with eastern Europeans to get your views you're as deluded as him
So me and Chalk make it all up on the spot, despite the fact that we regularly provide links to back up what we say. Really i'm interested to know how you worked that one out?
And which Polish, Romanian or other nationality east Europeans have you been socialising with to hear their tales of woe?"Just as an aside, I work with a lot of Bulgarians and they don't seem to have the concept of whinging and complaining. Very hard working and unlike lefties in this country, they aren't preoccupied with what everyone else is earning - they just get on with their own life and do remarkably well in my opinion. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. hmmm .... wages on site are pretty good i find. when i saw the mass training of people to come into the construction industry back in the early 2000's (i'm talking about british folks here not europeans)i decided to start to up-skill myself in order to keep a few steps ahead of the game. i could see that just bashing on in one of what's known as the ten-a-penny trades was going to get me nowhere evntually. it's paid off. folks have always only been paid what they're worth in construction so if you think your wages are light then you've either not qualified, been complacent about keeping on top of your qualifications or you're not choosing the right contracts, simple as. nothing to do with foreigners. I'd be interested to know what you consider to be a "10 a penny trade" and that is insulting to use that kind of language to a lot of construction workers who may have spent years building up a skill or skills in certain trades. Wage compression is a very real concern to many people up and down the country, and the main reason for it is mass uncontrolled immigration. " blue card holders in a nutshell. | |||
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I find it to be more informative that that pile of shite called the guardian. "You language and your reading matter both let you down! | |||
" I hope you realise that that the situation won't change if you vote for Brexit. If we want to carry on free trade with the EU, we have to accept their free trade rules. Whether we are inside the EU or not. And that will include free movement of people. Have you told the Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Canadians, Americans, Brazilians , New Zealanders ... etc etc who freely trade with the countries of the EU and agree trade deals with the EU on their behalf? I am just wondering if a US Border Guard will be OK with me turning up without my green card and saying "Its Ok mate.. EU free Movement of people" "Chalk, your ignorance is truely astonishing - even by the standards of the Brexit supporters on here. The EU (that means us) does not have free trade agreements in place with any of the countries you quoted. Even if we did, they would not be in EFTA which requires free movement of goods, services, capital and labour. I assume that your Brexit didn't also require the UK to come out of EFTA too? Surely? | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say .... "So....Common markets and federalism are somehow left-wing? Oooookay... | |||
"So a huge international bank that could put down roots anywhere in the world decides to stay put despite the apparently huge damage being done to the UK by the 'uncertainty' over the EU referendum being put about by the EU luvvies. A referendum they would really rather we didn't have. Like all referendums in the EU. I mean the very thought of questioning their Leftie EU Project and letting the people have their say ....
So....Common markets and federalism are somehow left-wing?
Oooookay... "of course .... it's all part of Ted Heath and John Major's god'amn pinko commie conspiracy | |||
" And which Polish, Romanian or other nationality east Europeans have you been socialising with to hear their tales of woe? " Well me personally I worked with them for about 11 years before I cashed in a pension and took early retirement. And one thing about driving a truck is that you see a lot of what is going on around the country and what I saw was a continual and increasing replacement of British workers with East Europeans. there are cold stores in Kent that haven't had a British worker for years. Take Woolworths (before they went bust) and Argos at Bedford. All nearly 90% foreigners in the warehouse and office. I know two household name firms that haven't put an advert for workers in local papers for years. They just get the Polish gangmaster to ship more in from Poland. THAT is what stinks about all this 'multiculturalism' bollocks we are told we have to have to be 'good Europeans'. Good Sheeple more like. What has happened is economic ethnic cleansing in many transport and distribution areas. And we have to take it?... sorry no. we need out and kick them out if they don't want to be British. Its OUR country...not theirs. | |||
" And which Polish, Romanian or other nationality east Europeans have you been socialising with to hear their tales of woe? Well me personally I worked with them for about 11 years before I cashed in a pension and took early retirement. And one thing about driving a truck is that you see a lot of what is going on around the country and what I saw was a continual and increasing replacement of British workers with East Europeans. there are cold stores in Kent that haven't had a British worker for years. Take Woolworths (before they went bust) and Argos at Bedford. All nearly 90% foreigners in the warehouse and office. I know two household name firms that haven't put an advert for workers in local papers for years. They just get the Polish gangmaster to ship more in from Poland. THAT is what stinks about all this 'multiculturalism' bollocks we are told we have to have to be 'good Europeans'. Good Sheeple more like. What has happened is economic ethnic cleansing in many transport and distribution areas. And we have to take it?... sorry no. we need out and kick them out if they don't want to be British. Its OUR country...not theirs." Man4you has probably had his horlicks now and gone to bed it's way past his bed time, lol. Anyway I'm sure he'll reply tomorrow when he comes back from chatting to his banker friends down at his local Nationwide. | |||
" And which Polish, Romanian or other nationality east Europeans have you been socialising with to hear their tales of woe? Well me personally I worked with them for about 11 years before I cashed in a pension and took early retirement. And one thing about driving a truck is that you see a lot of what is going on around the country and what I saw was a continual and increasing replacement of British workers with East Europeans. there are cold stores in Kent that haven't had a British worker for years. Take Woolworths (before they went bust) and Argos at Bedford. All nearly 90% foreigners in the warehouse and office. I know two household name firms that haven't put an advert for workers in local papers for years. They just get the Polish gangmaster to ship more in from Poland. THAT is what stinks about all this 'multiculturalism' bollocks we are told we have to have to be 'good Europeans'. Good Sheeple more like. What has happened is economic ethnic cleansing in many transport and distribution areas. And we have to take it?... sorry no. we need out and kick them out if they don't want to be British. Its OUR country...not theirs. Man4you has probably had his horlicks now and gone to bed it's way past his bed time, lol. Anyway I'm sure he'll reply tomorrow when he comes back from chatting to his banker friends down at his local Nationwide. "At least they think for themselves and don't take a load of lieing crap from politicians. You get more sense from the Nationwide staff than you're managing to display here. That horlicks gives me wings. | |||
" Given your tendency to exaggerate and misstate numbers I doubt any figures you quote - even two shits. As I've been sad to note before you and centaur ukip both make it up on a regular basis. And if you think anyone believes you socialise with eastern Europeans to get your views you're as deluded as him Oh so someone states facts that you don't like, you then distort them to suit your EU loving agenda and you call US exaggerating? No exaggeration here fellah. This was MY life and it was MY fucking job at which I was very good. I am a fully qualified Scania Master Technician. Before that I was a Chargehand at an MAN owned main dealership. When I joined Scania there were no foreigners. When I left there were 60% foreign. And I never saw what was coming. I even trained the first two as they didn't speak English and I speak German. What a Mug! I went on holiday and came back to find two Polish guys in my pit. I had been 'moved aside'. I left immediately and did them for constructive dismissal. And won. They were paying two Poles £1 an hour more for TWO than they were paying me and I was getting £7.68 an hour. So yeah they were getting £3.84 an hour ... Minimum wage? No worries work 16 hours a day and fiddle the numbers. I won't pass on the damage they caused. And the 40 lost jobs were at the transport firm in Felixstowe and that was being repeated all over the Port. So no just real facts of real life living with the 'benefits of migration'. And thank you for calling me a laiar .. so with the greatest respect ... fuck you... "OK but what's this really got to do with immigration? You said it yourself, your employer broke the law. That's the bottom line. The fact that they broke it with Polish people sounds very secondary to me. I'd be all for harsher penalties for companies that don't pat minimum wage, I think it's a disgrace. | |||
" Chalk, your ignorance is truely astonishing - even by the standards of the Brexit supporters on here. The EU (that means us) does not have free trade agreements in place with any of the countries you quoted. Even if we did, they would not be in EFTA which requires free movement of goods, services, capital and labour. I assume that your Brexit didn't also require the UK to come out of EFTA too? Surely?" Are people in here for a serious discussion or just any chance to make smartarsed personal remarks? MY ignorance is astonishing? Of course we have trade agreements with every one of those countries or they couldn't trade with us and we couldn't be able to trade with them. even if it just under WTO rules. It is still an agreement... Jeez what is so hard to understand? And YES exactly... you got it. They are NOT in EFTA and do not need to be and neither do we if the terms of joining are not to our benefit. And actually we are not IN EFTA at the moment because it only has four Member States: Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Switzerland. So why would we join if we do not like the terms? I know this is a difficult concept for some having had all our trade arrangements made by Brussels for 20 years but WE WILL HAVE A CHOICE! Again none of the countries I mentioned are in EFTA... it is self evidently so .... and they trade with the EU and EFTA quite happily. The USA and the EU together represent 60% of global GDP, 33% of world trade in goods and 42% of world trade in services. And we don't have trade relations? And should I also mention as the WTO oversees those relations it has intervened when necessary (Boeing vs Airbus and over steel tarriffs) | |||
" i was getting £8 an hour on the mowers without qualifications 15 years ago chish .... you were being mugged off there son. funny how capitalism chewed you up and puked you back our yet you still love how capitalism works. oh the irony lol." Well of course we only have your word for that don't we? As you said once "This may be be bullshit but ..." And given your track record on here I suspect it is more wind up bullshit than fact ... now please don't think I am calling you a liar ... be fucking certain of it.... | |||
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" And which Polish, Romanian or other nationality east Europeans have you been socialising with to hear their tales of woe? Well me personally I worked with them for about 11 years before I cashed in a pension and took early retirement. And one thing about driving a truck is that you see a lot of what is going on around the country and what I saw was a continual and increasing replacement of British workers with East Europeans. there are cold stores in Kent that haven't had a British worker for years. Take Woolworths (before they went bust) and Argos at Bedford. All nearly 90% foreigners in the warehouse and office. I know two household name firms that haven't put an advert for workers in local papers for years. They just get the Polish gangmaster to ship more in from Poland. THAT is what stinks about all this 'multiculturalism' bollocks we are told we have to have to be 'good Europeans'. Good Sheeple more like. What has happened is economic ethnic cleansing in many transport and distribution areas. And we have to take it?... sorry no. we need out and kick them out if they don't want to be British. Its OUR country...not theirs." You took early retirement 11 years ago - your current knowledge of what Polish workers are concerned about doesn't sound likely to be current does it? | |||
"tis all true .... i was just filling time between construction contracts. was the only reason why i took such a poorly paid job .... that and the fact that working on engines is like having a holiday. but £7.68!! a third year mechanical apprentice was getting more than that 11 years ago." I think that's a rather personal statement and not necessary given the debate. Plenty of people on this site earn minimum wage, a variety of complex factors determine wages and it serves not purpose to poke fun at someone who might earn less than you. | |||
"I am now out of this before I say something rather direct and get banned ... I thought Forums were discussion places about topics of interest but apparently its all about who can make the smartest wisecrack and most personal abuse..." Have a nice rest - you should probaly reconsider your own use of wisecracks and personal abuse while you cool off | |||
"tis all true .... i was just filling time between construction contracts. was the only reason why i took such a poorly paid job .... that and the fact that working on engines is like having a holiday. but £7.68!! a third year mechanical apprentice was getting more than that 11 years ago. I think that's a rather personal statement and not necessary given the debate. Plenty of people on this site earn minimum wage, a variety of complex factors determine wages and it serves not purpose to poke fun at someone who might earn less than you. " for the last few decades the only thing factor that determines wages is how well you negotiate your contract .... thought you'd have realised that | |||
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"I am now out of this before I say something rather direct and get banned ... I thought Forums were discussion places about topics of interest but apparently its all about who can make the smartest wisecrack and most personal abuse..." I'm sure the EU luvvies would love to see you get banned, don't give them the satisfaction. | |||
"tis all true .... i was just filling time between construction contracts. was the only reason why i took such a poorly paid job .... that and the fact that working on engines is like having a holiday. but £7.68!! a third year mechanical apprentice was getting more than that 11 years ago. I think that's a rather personal statement and not necessary given the debate. Plenty of people on this site earn minimum wage, a variety of complex factors determine wages and it serves not purpose to poke fun at someone who might earn less than you. for the last few decades the only thing factor that determines wages is how well you negotiate your contract .... thought you'd have realised that" Thanks nice to know it's that simple. Just out of interest, do you know any shelf stackers who earn £150,000 a year because they are awesome at contract negotiation? | |||
"tis all true .... i was just filling time between construction contracts. was the only reason why i took such a poorly paid job .... that and the fact that working on engines is like having a holiday. but £7.68!! a third year mechanical apprentice was getting more than that 11 years ago. I think that's a rather personal statement and not necessary given the debate. Plenty of people on this site earn minimum wage, a variety of complex factors determine wages and it serves not purpose to poke fun at someone who might earn less than you. for the last few decades the only thing factor that determines wages is how well you negotiate your contract .... thought you'd have realised that Thanks nice to know it's that simple. Just out of interest, do you know any shelf stackers who earn £150,000 a year because they are awesome at contract negotiation? " now you're just tossing up ridiculous straw men arguments for the sake of it .... you usually do better than that | |||
"tis all true .... i was just filling time between construction contracts. was the only reason why i took such a poorly paid job .... that and the fact that working on engines is like having a holiday. but £7.68!! a third year mechanical apprentice was getting more than that 11 years ago. I think that's a rather personal statement and not necessary given the debate. Plenty of people on this site earn minimum wage, a variety of complex factors determine wages and it serves not purpose to poke fun at someone who might earn less than you. for the last few decades the only thing factor that determines wages is how well you negotiate your contract .... thought you'd have realised that" ....you forgot that other key factor called mass uncontrolled immigration which results in wage compression. | |||
"Square mile in London (it's workers) pay more tax than the entire UK population put together " No idea if that statement is true, but if it is are you saying that more than 50% of the wages paid in this 94,000 square mile country is given to those in 1 square mile of London? | |||
"....you forgot that other key factor called mass uncontrolled immigration which results in wage compression. " we've not seen that on the sites i work on | |||
"tis all true .... i was just filling time between construction contracts. was the only reason why i took such a poorly paid job .... that and the fact that working on engines is like having a holiday. but £7.68!! a third year mechanical apprentice was getting more than that 11 years ago. I think that's a rather personal statement and not necessary given the debate. Plenty of people on this site earn minimum wage, a variety of complex factors determine wages and it serves not purpose to poke fun at someone who might earn less than you. for the last few decades the only thing factor that determines wages is how well you negotiate your contract .... thought you'd have realised that Thanks nice to know it's that simple. Just out of interest, do you know any shelf stackers who earn £150,000 a year because they are awesome at contract negotiation? now you're just tossing up ridiculous straw men arguments for the sake of it .... you usually do better than that" Enough with the compliments please, even back-handed ones, it's disconcerting. To be honest I don't even know where you got the idea that contract negotiation is a big deal? For professional athletes - yeah. Bankers - maybe. But for most jobs, it's pretty low down the list of factors that influence pay. | |||
"To be honest I don't even know where you got the idea that contract negotiation is a big deal? For professional athletes - yeah. Bankers - maybe. But for most jobs, it's pretty low down the list of factors that influence pay. " are you some kind of pinko commie subversive leftie marxist leninist maoist shining path type? | |||
"To be honest I don't even know where you got the idea that contract negotiation is a big deal? For professional athletes - yeah. Bankers - maybe. But for most jobs, it's pretty low down the list of factors that influence pay. are you some kind of pinko commie subversive leftie marxist leninist maoist shining path type?" I consider myself considerably better at economics than marx, I wouldn't even class him as an economist. Marx neglected the role of productivity in his 'analysis', let's call it that, of wages. Even though Adam Smith had spelt it out for him 72 years earlier. | |||
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"I am now out of this before I say something rather direct and get banned ... I thought Forums were discussion places about topics of interest but apparently its all about who can make the smartest wisecrack and most personal abuse... I'm sure the EU luvvies would love to see you get banned, don't give them the satisfaction. "If you can't take the heat... | |||
"To be honest I don't even know where you got the idea that contract negotiation is a big deal? For professional athletes - yeah. Bankers - maybe. But for most jobs, it's pretty low down the list of factors that influence pay. are you some kind of pinko commie subversive leftie marxist leninist maoist shining path type? I consider myself considerably better at economics than marx, I wouldn't even class him as an economist. Marx neglected the role of productivity in his 'analysis', let's call it that, of wages. Even though Adam Smith had spelt it out for him 72 years earlier. " I'm not sure if Marx classed himself as an economist either, if its any consolation.... | |||
"Banks are theives! Where does money come from? Have a look at a Web site called positive money Created by banks in the form of loans and mortgages.. Numbers on their own spreadsheets - transfered between each other on a daily basis No such thing as money.. " . If you think banks are thieves I assume that you do not use them. Most banks provide their services to customers at competitive rates and a significant proportion of investors in them are pension funds . Why would anyone think banks are thieves . That defies logic. | |||
"Square mile in London (it's workers) pay more tax than the entire UK population put together No idea if that statement is true, but if it is are you saying that more than 50% of the wages paid in this 94,000 square mile country is given to those in 1 square mile of London?" . They probably meant if they actually paid there tax they would | |||
"tis all true .... i was just filling time between construction contracts. was the only reason why i took such a poorly paid job .... that and the fact that working on engines is like having a holiday. but £7.68!! a third year mechanical apprentice was getting more than that 11 years ago. I think that's a rather personal statement and not necessary given the debate. Plenty of people on this site earn minimum wage, a variety of complex factors determine wages and it serves not purpose to poke fun at someone who might earn less than you. for the last few decades the only thing factor that determines wages is how well you negotiate your contract .... thought you'd have realised that" Bollocks. Maybe in your industry, not the case at all in others. | |||
"tis all true .... i was just filling time between construction contracts. was the only reason why i took such a poorly paid job .... that and the fact that working on engines is like having a holiday. but £7.68!! a third year mechanical apprentice was getting more than that 11 years ago. I think that's a rather personal statement and not necessary given the debate. Plenty of people on this site earn minimum wage, a variety of complex factors determine wages and it serves not purpose to poke fun at someone who might earn less than you. for the last few decades the only thing factor that determines wages is how well you negotiate your contract .... thought you'd have realised that Bollocks. Maybe in your industry, not the case at all in others." I think I'm worth £250k a year plus package. Unfortunately I can't find an employer who agrees with me...... | |||
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"To be honest I don't even know where you got the idea that contract negotiation is a big deal? For professional athletes - yeah. Bankers - maybe. But for most jobs, it's pretty low down the list of factors that influence pay. are you some kind of pinko commie subversive leftie marxist leninist maoist shining path type? I consider myself considerably better at economics than marx, I wouldn't even class him as an economist. Marx neglected the role of productivity in his 'analysis', let's call it that, of wages. Even though Adam Smith had spelt it out for him 72 years earlier. " if you amire smiths works of so much then why are you chosing to argue against his ideals about "the propensity to truck, barter, and exchange one thing for another."? or is that ism exclusively for business owners and not those who sell their labour to them? by the way, smith was wrong about globalisation and marx nailed it. | |||
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" And which Polish, Romanian or other nationality east Europeans have you been socialising with to hear their tales of woe? Well me personally I worked with them for about 11 years before I cashed in a pension and took early retirement. And one thing about driving a truck is that you see a lot of what is going on around the country and what I saw was a continual and increasing replacement of British workers with East Europeans. there are cold stores in Kent that haven't had a British worker for years. Take Woolworths (before they went bust) and Argos at Bedford. All nearly 90% foreigners in the warehouse and office. I know two household name firms that haven't put an advert for workers in local papers for years. They just get the Polish gangmaster to ship more in from Poland. THAT is what stinks about all this 'multiculturalism' bollocks we are told we have to have to be 'good Europeans'. Good Sheeple more like. What has happened is economic ethnic cleansing in many transport and distribution areas. And we have to take it?... sorry no. we need out and kick them out if they don't want to be British. Its OUR country...not theirs. You took early retirement 11 years ago - your current knowledge of what Polish workers are concerned about doesn't sound likely to be current does it? " And that was obviously wrong from me - I should have taken the early retirement option that evening instead of misreading your post - I apologise. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. I hope you realise that that the situation won't change if you vote for Brexit. If we want to carry on free trade with the EU, we have to accept their free trade rules. Whether we are inside the EU or not. And that will include free movement of people. Now I know, we are not Norway - we've had the discussion before and I accept we don't have the fjords - but you might want to look at how much Norway can control its border with the EU." Now Kittie4U i responded to your comment the other day but my reply seems to have mysteriously disappeared from the thread so here it is again. The situation will change if we as a country vote for Brexit that is the whole point. No Eurosceptics are saying we should adopt the Norway model if we vote for Brexit, it only seems to be Europhiles who keep banging on and on endlessly saying we would be the same as Norway. Daniel Hannan, Conservative MEP says Norway isn't obliged to adopt EU laws, they have a choice and in any case Norway has a better deal than being a member of the EU, Switzerland have a better deal than Norway, and in the event of leaving the EU Britain will get a better deal than Switzerland. Have a look at the following link it should finally put this Norway business to bed. www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/what-brexit-would-look-like-for-britain/ After Brexit Britain can remain outside of schengen, and dozens of countries all around the world don't adopt EU laws and control their own borders, USA, China, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Pakistan, Brazil, India, i could go on but i think you get the general idea now.;-) Now the Britain Stronger in Europe (BSE for short, and funny they should call themselves that as most people associate BSE with Mad cows disease ) campaign keep telling us that the only alternative for Britain if we leave the EU is to be like Norway and then they line up some Norwegian Eurozealot cheerleaders to shout about it for them. One such figure is the pro EU Norwegian ex minister called Espen Barth Eide. Now considering Norwegian public opinion is solidly anti EU, over the past 5 years opponents of EU membership in Norway have lead by a figure of 3 to 1 or more (you can google and check the polls on that going back from now to 2003 if you like by the way) Mr Eide is a very un-typical type of pro EU Norwegian.
One of Espen Barth Eide's lies, a lie which is constantly repeated by the mad cow disease campaign (sorry my mistake, the BSE campaign) is that Norway must apply three quarters of EU laws. When saying three quarters they also throw in the figure of 75% to make it sound more official.
Now lets look at the figures, using the EFTA Secretariat's official statistics a study found that between 2000 and 2013 Norway applied 4,724 EU legal instruments. Over that same period the EU itself adopted 52,183 legal instruments. That's not 75% when you work it out thats a feeble 9%.
So you are being sold a pack of lies about Norway from the remain in EU camp, don't believe a word they say. | |||
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"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. I hope you realise that that the situation won't change if you vote for Brexit. If we want to carry on free trade with the EU, we have to accept their free trade rules. Whether we are inside the EU or not. And that will include free movement of people. Now I know, we are not Norway - we've had the discussion before and I accept we don't have the fjords - but you might want to look at how much Norway can control its border with the EU. Now Kittie4U i responded to your comment the other day but my reply seems to have mysteriously disappeared from the thread so here it is again. The situation will change if we as a country vote for Brexit that is the whole point. No Eurosceptics are saying we should adopt the Norway model if we vote for Brexit, it only seems to be Europhiles who keep banging on and on endlessly saying we would be the same as Norway. Daniel Hannan, Conservative MEP says Norway isn't obliged to adopt EU laws, they have a choice and in any case Norway has a better deal than being a member of the EU, Switzerland have a better deal than Norway, and in the event of leaving the EU Britain will get a better deal than Switzerland. Have a look at the following link it should finally put this Norway business to bed. www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/what-brexit-would-look-like-for-britain/ After Brexit Britain can remain outside of schengen, and dozens of countries all around the world don't adopt EU laws and control their own borders, USA, China, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Pakistan, Brazil, India, i could go on but i think you get the general idea now.;-) Now the Britain Stronger in Europe (BSE for short, and funny they should call themselves that as most people associate BSE with Mad cows disease ) campaign keep telling us that the only alternative for Britain if we leave the EU is to be like Norway and then they line up some Norwegian Eurozealot cheerleaders to shout about it for them. One such figure is the pro EU Norwegian ex minister called Espen Barth Eide. Now considering Norwegian public opinion is solidly anti EU, over the past 5 years opponents of EU membership in Norway have lead by a figure of 3 to 1 or more (you can google and check the polls on that going back from now to 2003 if you like by the way) Mr Eide is a very un-typical type of pro EU Norwegian.
One of Espen Barth Eide's lies, a lie which is constantly repeated by the mad cow disease campaign (sorry my mistake, the BSE campaign) is that Norway must apply three quarters of EU laws. When saying three quarters they also throw in the figure of 75% to make it sound more official.
Now lets look at the figures, using the EFTA Secretariat's official statistics a study found that between 2000 and 2013 Norway applied 4,724 EU legal instruments. Over that same period the EU itself adopted 52,183 legal instruments. That's not 75% when you work it out thats a feeble 9%.
So you are being sold a pack of lies about Norway from the remain in EU camp, don't believe a word they say. "It's a pity that the Norwegian government doesn't know about Hannan. Then they would obviously be embarrassed to have to explain to him their government report (Google this - Official Norwegian Reports NOU 2012: 2 Chapter 1 ... Submitted to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 17 January 2012). It says "Formally, Norway is more free than EU States, and has to some extent been able to choose what it does and does not participate in. Norway has adopted roughly ¾ of EU legislation compared to those Member States that participate in everything, and it has implemented this legislation more effectively than many" Now 3/4 is 75%. I for one think I'll stick with the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs own view. Hannan's posts refer to a study done based on EFTA statistics but don't bother to tell you who did the study or where to find the data, other than link you to a eurosceptic site that doesn't give the data either. Who has got more of an axce to grind and an incentive to pass on false information Hannan or the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affaqirs? So let's get what the Norwegian ministry of Foreign Affairs reported again: ""Formally, Norway is more free than EU States, and has to some extent been able to choose what it does and does not participate in. Norway has adopted roughly ¾ of EU legislation compared to those Member States that participate in everything, and it has implemented this legislation more effectively than many" | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. I hope you realise that that the situation won't change if you vote for Brexit. If we want to carry on free trade with the EU, we have to accept their free trade rules. Whether we are inside the EU or not. And that will include free movement of people. Now I know, we are not Norway - we've had the discussion before and I accept we don't have the fjords - but you might want to look at how much Norway can control its border with the EU. Now Kittie4U i responded to your comment the other day but my reply seems to have mysteriously disappeared from the thread so here it is again. The situation will change if we as a country vote for Brexit that is the whole point. No Eurosceptics are saying we should adopt the Norway model if we vote for Brexit, it only seems to be Europhiles who keep banging on and on endlessly saying we would be the same as Norway. Daniel Hannan, Conservative MEP says Norway isn't obliged to adopt EU laws, they have a choice and in any case Norway has a better deal than being a member of the EU, Switzerland have a better deal than Norway, and in the event of leaving the EU Britain will get a better deal than Switzerland. Have a look at the following link it should finally put this Norway business to bed. www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/what-brexit-would-look-like-for-britain/ After Brexit Britain can remain outside of schengen, and dozens of countries all around the world don't adopt EU laws and control their own borders, USA, China, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Pakistan, Brazil, India, i could go on but i think you get the general idea now.;-) Now the Britain Stronger in Europe (BSE for short, and funny they should call themselves that as most people associate BSE with Mad cows disease ) campaign keep telling us that the only alternative for Britain if we leave the EU is to be like Norway and then they line up some Norwegian Eurozealot cheerleaders to shout about it for them. One such figure is the pro EU Norwegian ex minister called Espen Barth Eide. Now considering Norwegian public opinion is solidly anti EU, over the past 5 years opponents of EU membership in Norway have lead by a figure of 3 to 1 or more (you can google and check the polls on that going back from now to 2003 if you like by the way) Mr Eide is a very un-typical type of pro EU Norwegian.
One of Espen Barth Eide's lies, a lie which is constantly repeated by the mad cow disease campaign (sorry my mistake, the BSE campaign) is that Norway must apply three quarters of EU laws. When saying three quarters they also throw in the figure of 75% to make it sound more official.
Now lets look at the figures, using the EFTA Secretariat's official statistics a study found that between 2000 and 2013 Norway applied 4,724 EU legal instruments. Over that same period the EU itself adopted 52,183 legal instruments. That's not 75% when you work it out thats a feeble 9%.
So you are being sold a pack of lies about Norway from the remain in EU camp, don't believe a word they say.
It's a pity that the Norwegian government doesn't know about Hannan. Then they would obviously be embarrassed to have to explain to him their government report (Google this - Official Norwegian Reports NOU 2012: 2 Chapter 1 ... Submitted to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 17 January 2012).
It says "Formally, Norway is more free than EU States, and has to some
extent been able to choose what it does and does not participate in. Norway has adopted
roughly ¾ of EU legislation compared to those Member States that participate in everything,
and it has implemented this legislation more effectively than many"
Now 3/4 is 75%. I for one think I'll stick with the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs own view.
Hannan's posts refer to a study done based on EFTA statistics but don't bother to tell you who did the study or where to find the data, other than link you to a eurosceptic site that doesn't give the data either.
Who has got more of an axce to grind and an incentive to pass on false information Hannan or the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affaqirs?
So let's get what the Norwegian ministry of Foreign Affairs reported again:
""Formally, Norway is more free than EU States, and has to some extent been able to choose what it does and does not participate in. Norway has adopted roughly ¾ of EU legislation compared to those Member States that participate in everything, and it has implemented this legislation more effectively than many""Well seeing as Hannan is a Conservstive MEP he has access to the EFTA Secretariat's data, and it is that EFTA Secretariat's official statistics which reveal the true figure of 9% not 75%. So based on the EFTA Secretariat's official statistics I believe the 9% figure. | |||
"Hopefully on the building site you can be honest about the risk of BREXIT to our standard of living. It's pretty similar to a 10% wage cut for most. That is without the increased risk of recession due to games around tariffs that would follow. Lol you really have no idea as most tradesmen on the building site have seen their wages either stagnate or fall in real terms due to mass uncontrolled immigration from the EU. It's called wage compression due to high influx of cheap foreign labour that is a direct result of already being in the EU. Oh and those Polish builders people mentioned, even they are now complaining about Romanian and Bulgarians coming in from the EU and undercutting them, honestly you couldn't make this shit up. I hope you realise that that the situation won't change if you vote for Brexit. If we want to carry on free trade with the EU, we have to accept their free trade rules. Whether we are inside the EU or not. And that will include free movement of people. Now I know, we are not Norway - we've had the discussion before and I accept we don't have the fjords - but you might want to look at how much Norway can control its border with the EU. Now Kittie4U i responded to your comment the other day but my reply seems to have mysteriously disappeared from the thread so here it is again. The situation will change if we as a country vote for Brexit that is the whole point. No Eurosceptics are saying we should adopt the Norway model if we vote for Brexit, it only seems to be Europhiles who keep banging on and on endlessly saying we would be the same as Norway. Daniel Hannan, Conservative MEP says Norway isn't obliged to adopt EU laws, they have a choice and in any case Norway has a better deal than being a member of the EU, Switzerland have a better deal than Norway, and in the event of leaving the EU Britain will get a better deal than Switzerland. Have a look at the following link it should finally put this Norway business to bed. www.spectator.co.uk/2016/01/what-brexit-would-look-like-for-britain/ After Brexit Britain can remain outside of schengen, and dozens of countries all around the world don't adopt EU laws and control their own borders, USA, China, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, Pakistan, Brazil, India, i could go on but i think you get the general idea now.;-) Now the Britain Stronger in Europe (BSE for short, and funny they should call themselves that as most people associate BSE with Mad cows disease ) campaign keep telling us that the only alternative for Britain if we leave the EU is to be like Norway and then they line up some Norwegian Eurozealot cheerleaders to shout about it for them. One such figure is the pro EU Norwegian ex minister called Espen Barth Eide. Now considering Norwegian public opinion is solidly anti EU, over the past 5 years opponents of EU membership in Norway have lead by a figure of 3 to 1 or more (you can google and check the polls on that going back from now to 2003 if you like by the way) Mr Eide is a very un-typical type of pro EU Norwegian.
One of Espen Barth Eide's lies, a lie which is constantly repeated by the mad cow disease campaign (sorry my mistake, the BSE campaign) is that Norway must apply three quarters of EU laws. When saying three quarters they also throw in the figure of 75% to make it sound more official.
Now lets look at the figures, using the EFTA Secretariat's official statistics a study found that between 2000 and 2013 Norway applied 4,724 EU legal instruments. Over that same period the EU itself adopted 52,183 legal instruments. That's not 75% when you work it out thats a feeble 9%.
So you are being sold a pack of lies about Norway from the remain in EU camp, don't believe a word they say.
It's a pity that the Norwegian government doesn't know about Hannan. Then they would obviously be embarrassed to have to explain to him their government report (Google this - Official Norwegian Reports NOU 2012: 2 Chapter 1 ... Submitted to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs on 17 January 2012).
It says "Formally, Norway is more free than EU States, and has to some
extent been able to choose what it does and does not participate in. Norway has adopted
roughly ¾ of EU legislation compared to those Member States that participate in everything,
and it has implemented this legislation more effectively than many"
Now 3/4 is 75%. I for one think I'll stick with the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs own view.
Hannan's posts refer to a study done based on EFTA statistics but don't bother to tell you who did the study or where to find the data, other than link you to a eurosceptic site that doesn't give the data either.
Who has got more of an axce to grind and an incentive to pass on false information Hannan or the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affaqirs?
So let's get what the Norwegian ministry of Foreign Affairs reported again:
""Formally, Norway is more free than EU States, and has to some extent been able to choose what it does and does not participate in. Norway has adopted roughly ¾ of EU legislation compared to those Member States that participate in everything, and it has implemented this legislation more effectively than many"
Well seeing as Hannan is a Conservstive MEP he has access to the EFTA Secretariat's data, and it is that EFTA Secretariat's official statistics which reveal the true figure of 9% not 75%. So based on the EFTA Secretariat's official statistics I believe the 9% figure. "Well seeing as the Norwegian ministry of Foreign Affairs is part of the Norwegian government and it's job is to know about Norway and not make up phoney figures to fit a Eurosceptic model I might just stick with what they say. If you read what Hannan wrote, he refers to a study done by someone else on EFTA data. He didn't bother to look at EFTA data. He took his confirmation bias and applied it to a study (that conflicted with another study done by Open Europe on behalf of the Norwegian government) without even giving us enough information to look up what was going on. As above, So let's get what the Norwegian ministry of Foreign Affairs reported again: ""Formally, Norway is more free than EU States, and has to some extent been able to choose what it does and does not participate in. Norway has adopted roughly ¾ of EU legislation compared to those Member States that participate in everything, and it has implemented this legislation more effectively than many" | |||
