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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Theives, ok that old phrase about how there is honour amongst thieves.
How many think that there is a certain level of honour amongst thieves ?
Or is it just a myth ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally don't think there is. It's more they won't fuck over someone who they benefit from.
If they can get away with thieving off someone or that person is of no use to them then they will steal. fuck them over, whatever. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" There's a contradiction in terms of the use of honour. It's about saving their own arses. Don't confuse it with any form of altruism or higher calling. "
Each to there own, maybe those honourable theives got tired of waiting for someone else to be there savour ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" There's a contradiction in terms of the use of honour. It's about saving their own arses. Don't confuse it with any form of altruism or higher calling.
Each to there own, maybe those honourable theives got tired of waiting for someone else to be there savour ?"
The word thief kind of negates any use of the word honour. If being selective who you apply your moral code to is meant to be honourable then think you have a misguided moral compass.
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"Omertà
Probably goes hand in hand with fear and intimidation Joe?
Who knows. But honour seems such a misplaced word in that context? "
I've worked with 'career' criminals, been in more prisons than you might imagine...
There is a definite 'code' in practice amongst 'old style' gangsters.
Not saying I agree with it but it exists. |
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By *odareyouMan
over a year ago
not far from iceland,,,,,, tescos is nearer though :-) (near leeds) |
I'm surprised no one else has asked ....did you get your girthy memberout for seawitch last night.. last I'd heard you were in the bath ???
In answer to your ok. No. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Omertà
Probably goes hand in hand with fear and intimidation Joe?
Who knows. But honour seems such a misplaced word in that context?
I've worked with 'career' criminals, been in more prisons than you might imagine...
There is a definite 'code' in practice amongst 'old style' gangsters.
Not saying I agree with it but it exists."
I don't disagree my friend that there's a code. Perhaps I've misinterpreted the OP'S debate. I'm suggesting that its misguided that these are good old misunderstood sorts doing the best they can to look out for the poor and beat the bad old system. Honour is a word that should be saved for the truly deserved who make sacrifice...true sacrifice. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yeah, I would say there is. I have known former criminals, who are friends and don't benefit from me at all, who have looked me in the eye and have said that if I ever need them, they'll be there. Just because we are friends.
I'm not saying they are moral, not according to my morality. But they have an honor amongst themselves and it isn't all just because it benefits them.
We are all choosy in who we devote ourselves too. I'm not saying I would consider them "honorable people" or even "moral people." But amongst them, yeah it would be considered honorable.
And whenever a person or group's idea of morality or honor doesn't fit in with the rest of society, and they act on it, we put them in jail. That doesn't mean they aren't honorable amongst themselves. In my opinion.
- Courtney |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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No i didnt get chance to go on cam, i think that skype is a better option than the chat room cams on fab as i have no idea who coukd be watching, and i think turning upto my supervision order and my probation officer admitting to having seen me have my cock out on a site like this one a pretty awkward moment, not that my probation officer is even on fab lol,
Might i just say that after rolling round the road under cars for 8 hrs or so a drain and i do actually end up feeling dirty to the bone ( only a roadside mechanic can relate ) which i end up requiring sometimes 2 showers and a bath, i like smelling and feeling fresh after a long days graft
Those women that wish to participate in skype inbox me for my skype details and we shall arrange camming  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"No i didnt get chance to go on cam, i think that skype is a better option than the chat room cams on fab as i have no idea who coukd be watching, and i think turning upto my supervision order and my probation officer admitting to having seen me have my cock out on a site like this one a pretty awkward moment, not that my probation officer is even on fab lol,
Might i just say that after rolling round the road under cars for 8 hrs or so a drain and i do actually end up feeling dirty to the bone ( only a roadside mechanic can relate ) which i end up requiring sometimes 2 showers and a bath, i like smelling and feeling fresh after a long days graft
Those women that wish to participate in skype inbox me for my skype details and we shall arrange camming "
Excuses excuses.
I don't Skype unless absolutely no clothes are coming off. The quality of the video is too high and as a woman, I am more in danger of videos being put on a porn site than just another dude with his cock out.
But that is for a different thread I think
-Courtney |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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high respect; great esteem.
"his portrait hangs in the place of honour"
synonyms:distinction, privilege, glory, tribute,kudos, cachet, prestige, fame,renown, merit, credit, importance,illustriousness, notability; More
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the quality of knowing and doing what is morally right.
Looking out for select people whilst taking advantage of others isn't worthy of honour? But we all work off different codes of ethics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Which thieves are we talking about? Petty criminals or the tiny handful of people who own and control almost everything?"
the only thieves without honour are those who we give power to we call them politicians when in reality they are just con artists who seem to be above the law but then again the people that victimise the vulnerable poor and old have no honour they are just low lives
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Which thieves are we talking about? Petty criminals or the tiny handful of people who own and control almost everything?the only thieves without honour are those who we give power to we call them politicians when in reality they are just con artists who seem to be above the law but then again the people that victimise the vulnerable poor and old have no honour they are just low lives "
All of them? You can get involved in politics too if you wish to change it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"high respect; great esteem.
"his portrait hangs in the place of honour"
synonyms:distinction, privilege, glory, tribute,kudos, cachet, prestige, fame,renown, merit, credit, importance,illustriousness, notability; More
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the quality of knowing and doing what is morally right.
Looking out for select people whilst taking advantage of others isn't worthy of honour? But we all work off different codes of ethics."
Thats apart of everyday life, everything we all do means that at least one person somewhere in the world is loosing out,
We are ALL theiving someone elses oxygen |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" There's a contradiction in terms of the use of honour. It's about saving their own arses. Don't confuse it with any form of altruism or higher calling. "
I work with retired met officer and from what he says this is most definitely the case. Their maybe hour amongst the criminal fraternity but the motives are purely selfish |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nope I'm not thieving anyone's oxygen as it's not anyone else's property to appropriate.
If you commit crime on any scale there's generally a victim. Is that honourable? You decide but I've made my mind up |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"high respect; great esteem.
"his portrait hangs in the place of honour"
synonyms:distinction, privilege, glory, tribute,kudos, cachet, prestige, fame,renown, merit, credit, importance,illustriousness, notability; More
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the quality of knowing and doing what is morally right.
Looking out for select people whilst taking advantage of others isn't worthy of honour? But we all work off different codes of ethics."
But everyone does this. We all look out for select people (our family and friends, etc.) while taking advantage of others. Some do it to a more or lesser degree, yes.
To decide whether they are honorable, based on a moral code, you would have to determine which moral code we are to go by. And that is a much harder and deeper question. So I'm understanding the "amongst theives" language to mean they are operating on their own morality.
So amongst themselves they are honorable, if not amongst the general population.
-Courtney |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" There's a contradiction in terms of the use of honour. It's about saving their own arses. Don't confuse it with any form of altruism or higher calling.
I work with retired met officer and from what he says this is most definitely the case. Their maybe hour amongst the criminal fraternity but the motives are purely selfish"
I agree BM. Maybe I've articulated my perspective wrong. I'm saying by simply looking out for eachother to save their hides it doesn't make them honourable sorts in the wider scheme? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Good point Courtney. ..amongst themselves they are honourable. But for what price and how deep is that honourable under real pressure.
Maybe I'm getting involved in semantics but I'm uncomfortable with the word used in this context. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Good point Courtney. ..amongst themselves they are honourable. But for what price and how deep is that honourable under real pressure.
Maybe I'm getting involved in semantics but I'm uncomfortable with the word used in this context."
No, I get your point. I think we are agreeing, but just saying it differently |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Good point Courtney. ..amongst themselves they are honourable. But for what price and how deep is that honourable under real pressure.
Maybe I'm getting involved in semantics but I'm uncomfortable with the word used in this context.
No, I get your point. I think we are agreeing, but just saying it differently "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" Good point Courtney. ..amongst themselves they are honourable. But for what price and how deep is that honourable under real pressure.
Maybe I'm getting involved in semantics but I'm uncomfortable with the word used in this context."
Under real pressure?
As in being interigated for hrs upon end and not grassing ?
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Good point Courtney. ..amongst themselves they are honourable. But for what price and how deep is that honourable under real pressure.
Maybe I'm getting involved in semantics but I'm uncomfortable with the word used in this context.
Under real pressure?
As in being interigated for hrs upon end and not grassing ?
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Any pressure to save themselves. I don't think they interrogate people in Britain. They interview, which means without irrefutable evidence, staying quiet gets you off. Hardly heroic.
Take a look at some other countries to see what real interrogation is. It's not nice to watch. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Im a bit partial so the stainless steal and the food provided really aint all that bad lol, the blue mattresses on the other hand, and wtf are the blue pillows all about ? Has anyone actually managed to sleep using them as a pillow ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Saving your own skin is considered a natural trait, altruism isn't 'normal' per se."
Actually altruism has been shown to be a natural trait as well. Because, evolutionarily speaking, altruism helps you survive.
-Courtney |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Im a bit partial so the stainless steal and the food provided really aint all that bad lol, the blue mattresses on the other hand, and wtf are the blue pillows all about ? Has anyone actually managed to sleep using them as a pillow ?"
Not had to try thankfully. Good luck with your code of ethics. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Saving your own skin is considered a natural trait, altruism isn't 'normal' per se.
Actually altruism has been shown to be a natural trait as well. Because, evolutionarily speaking, altruism helps you survive.
-Courtney "
And surviving is what life is all about courtney
Would i rob from the rich to feed the poor ?
Without any shadow of a doubt |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Saving your own skin is considered a natural trait, altruism isn't 'normal' per se.
Actually altruism has been shown to be a natural trait as well. Because, evolutionarily speaking, altruism helps you survive.
-Courtney
And surviving is what life is all about courtney
Would i rob from the rich to feed the poor ?
Without any shadow of a doubt "
That wasn't quite my point.
Reciprocal altruism is still selfish, but in a different way.
And I'm certainly not saying that criminals are altruistic when they steal from the rich to feed the poor. It's not purely selfish, either. Reciprocal altruism is a kind of in between point.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" I'd be interested to hear your selection procedure of who should be selected to be stolen from."
Never steal from anyone that has less than you i guess |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I'd be interested to hear your selection procedure of who should be selected to be stolen from.
Never steal from anyone that has less than you i guess "
This is the kind of short-sighted attitude that leads people "at the bottom" to fight amongst themselves. Your criteria should be better thought out than this or you are just harming those you perceive as better off as opposed to those who are really keeping you down... |
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" There's a contradiction in terms of the use of honour. It's about saving their own arses. Don't confuse it with any form of altruism or higher calling.
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Even when it comes to taking a rap and not squealing to the piggies? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I'd be interested to hear your selection procedure of who should be selected to be stolen from.
Never steal from anyone that has less than you i guess "
Well my friend, I personally think you should reflect.
You may believe what you say or you may be trying to portray an image but it never ends well.
Do I think all criminals are inherently evil? No. But in the end you become the person you choose to be. There's no honour in that path. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some might think there is no honour in swinging ?
Are we calling those people liars or less honourable ? "
Neither. That is a false dichotomy.
They would likely call me less honorable. I would say their morality is different to mine.
-Courtney |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I'd be interested to hear your selection procedure of who should be selected to be stolen from.
Never steal from anyone that has less than you i guess "
Lame...very fucking lame reasoning. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I'd be interested to hear your selection procedure of who should be selected to be stolen from.
Never steal from anyone.
I fixed that for you! "
You could make a lot of money fixing people's mistakes that easily!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I'd be interested to hear your selection procedure of who should be selected to be stolen from.
Never steal from anyone.
I fixed that for you!
You could make a lot of money fixing people's mistakes that easily! "
Like solicitors? |
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" There's a contradiction in terms of the use of honour. It's about saving their own arses. Don't confuse it with any form of altruism or higher calling.
Even when it comes to taking a rap and not squealing to the piggies? "
But I do squeal like a piggy  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" There's a contradiction in terms of the use of honour. It's about saving their own arses. Don't confuse it with any form of altruism or higher calling.
Even when it comes to taking a rap and not squealing to the piggies? "
It's still entirely selfish though. Take the rap, don't get labeled a grass and/or a kicking for being a grass while getting credit/respect for taking the rap and meaning someone else is now in debt fir them doing so. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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" I'd be interested to hear your selection procedure of who should be selected to be stolen from.
Never steal from anyone.
I fixed that for you!
You could make a lot of money fixing people's mistakes that easily!
Like solicitors? "
My lifelong solicitor retired  i seen him that often we was almost partners |
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" There's a contradiction in terms of the use of honour. It's about saving their own arses. Don't confuse it with any form of altruism or higher calling.
Even when it comes to taking a rap and not squealing to the piggies?
It's still entirely selfish though. Take the rap, don't get labeled a grass and/or a kicking for being a grass while getting credit/respect for taking the rap and meaning someone else is now in debt fir them doing so. "
Id rather do jail than be labelled anything of the sort, favours for favours |
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" I'd be interested to hear your selection procedure of who should be selected to be stolen from.
Never steal from anyone.
I fixed that for you!
You could make a lot of money fixing people's mistakes that easily! "
If only it were always that simple!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" There's a contradiction in terms of the use of honour. It's about saving their own arses. Don't confuse it with any form of altruism or higher calling.
Even when it comes to taking a rap and not squealing to the piggies?
It's still entirely selfish though. Take the rap, don't get labeled a grass and/or a kicking for being a grass while getting credit/respect for taking the rap and meaning someone else is now in debt fir them doing so.
Id rather do jail than be labelled anything of the sort, favours for favours "
Exactly. That's nothing to do with honour though |
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" I'd be interested to hear your selection procedure of who should be selected to be stolen from.
Never steal from anyone.
I fixed that for you!
You could make a lot of money fixing people's mistakes that easily!
Like solicitors?
My lifelong solicitor retired i seen him that often we was almost partners "
I really don't think that's anything to brag about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There is a certain amount of 'honour' in most groups but its born from an instinct to fit in with the group
Groups offer relative safety, so we adjust our behaviour to fit in and be accepted
This includes replicating the behaviour of other group members and defending each other
Comes from caveman times when we survived longer in groups
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By (user no longer on site)
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Nah, not any more. I'm sure there was to a degree a few decades ago but all we have today are kids in their black asbo suits who would sell their own grannies for a fivers . No honour at all from what I see of them on a daily basis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Which thieves are we talking about? Petty criminals or the tiny handful of people who own and control almost everything?the only thieves without honour are those who we give power to we call them politicians when in reality they are just con artists who seem to be above the law but then again the people that victimise the vulnerable poor and old have no honour they are just low lives "
Couldn't have said it better myself! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Dont know about honour but there is certainly a heirachy. There are specific crimes that are seen as much worse than others and woe betides anyone who hurts women, children or someone's mum.
Perhaps 'Code of Practise' is a more suitable term. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Theives, ok that old phrase about how there is honour amongst thieves.
How many think that there is a certain level of honour amongst thieves ?
Or is it just a myth ?"
It's just like "bro code". The things you should know if you value your friends. Thieves are all dirty, they have to gain the trust of mutual types with mutual interests; like the Tories.
"Blood is thicker than water" and "Thick as Thieves" come from the same sentiment. |
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are you a thief? I've yet to see this honour thing carried out by thieves in modern day Britain.