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"Quite right too.... "I'm sure he expected that he'd be sacked. Btw Soxy you have a lovely set of pins... | |||
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"Then he should be in prison as well as losing his job. I'll google. I've never heard of him. " Was a professional footballer at Sunderland... Might be why you've not heard of him..  | |||
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"Then he should be in prison as well as losing his job. I'll google. I've never heard of him. " Was a professional footballer at Sunderland... Might be why you've not heard of him.. | |||
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I'm sure he expected that he'd be sacked.
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"Then he should be in prison as well as losing his job. I'll google. I've never heard of him. Was a professional footballer at Sunderland... Might be why you've not heard of him.. "Professional footballer from Sunderland, is that like an oxymoron?
I joke, but the actual sacking is obviously really serious - hope the child and her family are getting the support they need. | |||
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"he's a Peado "Great laugh aye? | |||
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"Then he should be in prison as well as losing his job. I'll google. I've never heard of him. Was a professional footballer at Sunderland... Might be why you've not heard of him..
Professional footballer from Sunderland, is that like an oxymoron?
I joke, but the actual sacking is obviously really serious - hope the child and her family are getting the support they need."Support?! Is this thread going to turn into one of those, I-better-say-what-people-want-to-hear threads? Unless said girl was forced or drugged, fuck all support is or should be required. Unless of course she is a moron( lack of better word) I don't see why riding the cock of a fit professional footballer entitles her to SUPPORT. Of course the role played by said man is a different matter. | |||
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"Then he should be in prison as well as losing his job. I'll google. I've never heard of him. Was a professional footballer at Sunderland... Might be why you've not heard of him..
Professional footballer from Sunderland, is that like an oxymoron?
I joke, but the actual sacking is obviously really serious - hope the child and her family are getting the support they need.
Support?! Is this thread going to turn into one of those, I-better-say-what-people-want-to-hear threads?
Unless said girl was forced or drugged, fuck all support is or should be required. Unless of course she is a moron( lack of better word) I don't see why riding the cock of a fit professional footballer entitles her to SUPPORT.
Of course the role played by said man is a different matter. "She was 15 and groomed. | |||
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"He isn't the first footballer that has done this and he won't be the last. While I agree that he is his o. wn worst enemy on this as he should have known better, we don't know quite the full story for example where did he meet her from? Could it have been she fooled into thinking she was older then dropped the bomb afterwards? However sacking is the fair option I just hope it was without a payoff. " The reports I've read say he's admitted knew she was underage and carried on. Looks very bad for him if that's true. Given the law has been broken, the girl is more than entitled to support if needed. Whatever her role, she was underage in the eyes of the law and he was a person in a powerful position. Can't believe people would argue otherwise (though it's fair enough that people have the right to their views, however sensible or crazy). | |||
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"Then he should be in prison as well as losing his job. I'll google. I've never heard of him. Was a professional footballer at Sunderland... Might be why you've not heard of him..
Professional footballer from Sunderland, is that like an oxymoron?
I joke, but the actual sacking is obviously really serious - hope the child and her family are getting the support they need.
Support?! Is this thread going to turn into one of those, I-better-say-what-people-want-to-hear threads?
Unless said girl was forced or drugged, fuck all support is or should be required. Unless of course she is a moron( lack of better word) I don't see why riding the cock of a fit professional footballer entitles her to SUPPORT.
Of course the role played by said man is a different matter. "She was groomed and is a child who was taken advantage of, and it's now in every newspaper? I think she's entitled to support, I meant from those closest to her more than anything else, regardless of his profession. Do you not think she would need any? | |||
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"Then he should be in prison as well as losing his job. I'll google. I've never heard of him. Was a professional footballer at Sunderland... Might be why you've not heard of him..
Professional footballer from Sunderland, is that like an oxymoron?
I joke, but the actual sacking is obviously really serious - hope the child and her family are getting the support they need.
Support?! Is this thread going to turn into one of those, I-better-say-what-people-want-to-hear threads?
Unless said girl was forced or drugged, fuck all support is or should be required. Unless of course she is a moron( lack of better word) I don't see why riding the cock of a fit professional footballer entitles her to SUPPORT.
Of course the role played by said man is a different matter. "You are joking! She was groomed by him and under age for consensual sex at 15.... | |||
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"So f@#k off Adam Johnson....." You beat me to it but least you left me some! ....he's goin' down for noncin' | |||
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"Then he should be in prison as well as losing his job. I'll google. I've never heard of him. Was a professional footballer at Sunderland... Might be why you've not heard of him..
Professional footballer from Sunderland, is that like an oxymoron?
I joke, but the actual sacking is obviously really serious - hope the child and her family are getting the support they need.
Support?! Is this thread going to turn into one of those, I-better-say-what-people-want-to-hear threads?
Unless said girl was forced or drugged, fuck all support is or should be required. Unless of course she is a moron( lack of better word) I don't see why riding the cock of a fit professional footballer entitles her to SUPPORT.
Of course the role played by said man is a different matter.
She was 15 and groomed. "Of course GROOMING is a different matter. That definitely puts a different spin on the matter. There is however, another aspect that needs to be examined. The groomed, the groomers and the grooming facilitators/ enabling factors. | |||
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"Then he should be in prison as well as losing his job. I'll google. I've never heard of him. Was a professional footballer at Sunderland... Might be why you've not heard of him..
Professional footballer from Sunderland, is that like an oxymoron?
I joke, but the actual sacking is obviously really serious - hope the child and her family are getting the support they need.
Support?! Is this thread going to turn into one of those, I-better-say-what-people-want-to-hear threads?
Unless said girl was forced or drugged, fuck all support is or should be required. Unless of course she is a moron( lack of better word) I don't see why riding the cock of a fit professional footballer entitles her to SUPPORT.
Of course the role played by said man is a different matter.
She was 15 and groomed.
Of course GROOMING is a different matter. That definitely puts a different spin on the matter.
There is however, another aspect that needs to be examined. The groomed, the groomers and the grooming facilitators/ enabling factors. "The groomer is being examined. I'm not sure what you mean by grooming facilitators he groomed her on the internet. This does open up wider questions. Internet usage by teenagers is widespread and with phones almost impossible to monitor as a parent or guardian yet it's one of the most common ways to contact and groom underage boys and girls. We need to educate our kids into the methods used by these people. | |||
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" There is however, another aspect that needs to be examined. The groomed, the groomers and the grooming facilitators/ enabling factors. " Nope. I'm a pinko, leftie, soft on crime bed wetter, but even I'm harsh on this. Her response to the grooming, or other factors (whatever they are) is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if her response was to go round his house with a big sign saying "yes please, I love being groomed. Bring it on". It doesn't matter how easy it was and how the Internet makes this happen. The fact is he groomed an underage child. He's toast. | |||
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" There is however, another aspect that needs to be examined. The groomed, the groomers and the grooming facilitators/ enabling factors. Nope. I'm a pinko, leftie, soft on crime bed wetter, but even I'm harsh on this. Her response to the grooming, or other factors (whatever they are) is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if her response was to go round his house with a big sign saying "yes please, I love being groomed. Bring it on". It doesn't matter how easy it was and how the Internet makes this happen. The fact is he groomed an underage child. He's toast." And therein lies a LOT of the problems of today's society. | |||
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"By facilitators, I mean factors that make it possible for grooming to take place. You mentioned phones (at too young an age) internet, etc. I am thinking more along the lines of the home, upbringing, tutelage, societal views, etc" I understand. I think we all need to take a long hard look at how these things happen while never losing sight of the fact that the person doing the grooming is entirely responsible for their actions. One problem with internet grooming is that's it's often invisible to parents/carers and even if it's not can easily be dismissed or hidden. It isn't unknown either for people to groom an entire family to gain access to the children. | |||
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" There is however, another aspect that needs to be examined. The groomed, the groomers and the grooming facilitators/ enabling factors. Nope. I'm a pinko, leftie, soft on crime bed wetter, but even I'm harsh on this. Her response to the grooming, or other factors (whatever they are) is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if her response was to go round his house with a big sign saying "yes please, I love being groomed. Bring it on". It doesn't matter how easy it was and how the Internet makes this happen. The fact is he groomed an underage child. He's toast." Yes but if we make people aware enable them to spot the signs it might give them the ability to prevent it. I'm often laughed at because I say people shouldn't advertise the fact that they have youngsters in the house in their profiles or on the forums or that they are willing to accommodate with them at home but somebody on the look out for grooming opportunities will look everywhere. | |||
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"Lets have a look at this: somewhere up this thread somebody hinted that if the guy had been 16 - 18, it would have been OK. I am not questioning that person. I am rather questioning the WHOLE of society. Teenagers these days do no wrong. whatever they get up to is due to the turbulence of hormonal ping pong taking place in their bodies. Unless we ALL take a sober look, the problem will not go away. Fat jail terms will simply be scratching the surface. That guy is guilty, he goes away for a long stretch, many more shall take his place because guess what; the basic problems still exist." Yes. I have said that we need to take a look at the wider picture. However grooming underage people and children isn't a new thing it's just easier with the net. How do you suggest we prevent grooming from happening? | |||
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"Lets have a look at this: somewhere up this thread somebody hinted that if the guy had been 16 - 18, it would have been OK. I am not questioning that person. I am rather questioning the WHOLE of society. Teenagers these days do no wrong. whatever they get up to is due to the turbulence of hormonal ping pong taking place in their bodies. Unless we ALL take a sober look, the problem will not go away. Fat jail terms will simply be scratching the surface. That guy is guilty, he goes away for a long stretch, many more shall take his place because guess what; the basic problems still exist." Not saying it is right that lads 16-18 have sexual contact with girls under 16 but it happens all the time girls mature faster than young lads and go for lads a couple of year,s older but at 27 he was wrong don,t try and make a mole hill into a mountain out of it | |||
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"Lets have a look at this: somewhere up this thread somebody hinted that if the guy had been 16 - 18, it would have been OK. I am not questioning that person. I am rather questioning the WHOLE of society. Teenagers these days do no wrong. whatever they get up to is due to the turbulence of hormonal ping pong taking place in their bodies. Unless we ALL take a sober look, the problem will not go away. Fat jail terms will simply be scratching the surface. That guy is guilty, he goes away for a long stretch, many more shall take his place because guess what; the basic problems still exist. Yes. I have said that we need to take a look at the wider picture. However grooming underage people and children isn't a new thing it's just easier with the net. How do you suggest we prevent grooming from happening?" I would be a liar if I claimed to know the answer but as a fun game, the next time you go for a walk or drive, try playing this game with your wife/ husband/ friend/ partner, etc. The game is called guess their ages. And as a guide let your answers be restricted to a) Under 16 or b)Over 16. Play this game just for a laugh and it will give you food for thought. | |||
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"Lets have a look at this: somewhere up this thread somebody hinted that if the guy had been 16 - 18, it would have been OK. I am not questioning that person. I am rather questioning the WHOLE of society. Teenagers these days do no wrong. whatever they get up to is due to the turbulence of hormonal ping pong taking place in their bodies. Unless we ALL take a sober look, the problem will not go away. Fat jail terms will simply be scratching the surface. That guy is guilty, he goes away for a long stretch, many more shall take his place because guess what; the basic problems still exist. Yes. I have said that we need to take a look at the wider picture. However grooming underage people and children isn't a new thing it's just easier with the net. How do you suggest we prevent grooming from happening? I would be a liar if I claimed to know the answer but as a fun game, the next time you go for a walk or drive, try playing this game with your wife/ husband/ friend/ partner, etc. The game is called guess their ages. And as a guide let your answers be restricted to a) Under 16 or b)Over 16. Play this game just for a laugh and it will give you food for thought." Grooming occurs when the one doing it KNOWS the age of the child or underage person. I feel that you're starting on a path of mitigating circumstances and trying to imply that if only youngsters didn't look a certain way this would be less likely to happen...it isn't true. | |||
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"Lets have a look at this: somewhere up this thread somebody hinted that if the guy had been 16 - 18, it would have been OK. I am not questioning that person. I am rather questioning the WHOLE of society. Teenagers these days do no wrong. whatever they get up to is due to the turbulence of hormonal ping pong taking place in their bodies. Unless we ALL take a sober look, the problem will not go away. Fat jail terms will simply be scratching the surface. That guy is guilty, he goes away for a long stretch, many more shall take his place because guess what; the basic problems still exist. Yes. I have said that we need to take a look at the wider picture. However grooming underage people and children isn't a new thing it's just easier with the net. How do you suggest we prevent grooming from happening? I would be a liar if I claimed to know the answer but as a fun game, the next time you go for a walk or drive, try playing this game with your wife/ husband/ friend/ partner, etc. The game is called guess their ages. And as a guide let your answers be restricted to a) Under 16 or b)Over 16. Play this game just for a laugh and it will give you food for thought. Grooming occurs when the one doing it KNOWS the age of the child or underage person. I feel that you're starting on a path of mitigating circumstances and trying to imply that if only youngsters didn't look a certain way this would be less likely to happen...it isn't true." Nope, not at all. Grooming is not always a faceless or contactless activity and may I quickly add that low self esteem(for the groomed) is not the only contributing factor. As we have both agreed, grooming needs a multidimensional approach to curb. If we pretend that appearance does not play a part then I dont know what to say. | |||
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" She was underage He is guilty. End of!" True, he was and is every bit G U I L T Y and must suffer the consequences. We are simply discussing the way forward. Would you be interested in such a discussion please? | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not." But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. " but it is still illegal underage sex | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex" Yes for both of them, just not the boy. | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex Yes for both of them, just not the boy. " How far is Manchester from NI, if I may ask? | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex" Although underage and as you point out illegal however there is an agreement within the law that of its two 15 year olds and both consenting will not be prosecuted, the law then changes for 12 and under as they are not deemed to be gileck competent. | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex Yes for both of them, just not the boy. How far is Manchester from NI, if I may ask?" About 180 miles. | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex Yes for both of them, just not the boy. How far is Manchester from NI, if I may ask? About 180 miles. " It is a wide area to cover for a mere shag. You are not being groomed, I hope? | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex Although underage and as you point out illegal however there is an agreement within the law that of its two 15 year olds and both consenting will not be prosecuted, the law then changes for 12 and under as they are not deemed to be gileck competent. " So 2 twelve year olds sneak into a 10p toilet. Possible outcome(prosecution wise)? | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex Yes for both of them, just not the boy. How far is Manchester from NI, if I may ask? About 180 miles. It is a wide area to cover for a mere shag. You are not being groomed, I hope?" Not really, semi-rural Northern Ireland is usually lacking. | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex Although underage and as you point out illegal however there is an agreement within the law that of its two 15 year olds and both consenting will not be prosecuted, the law then changes for 12 and under as they are not deemed to be gileck competent. So 2 twelve year olds sneak into a 10p toilet. Possible outcome(prosecution wise)? ". I wouldn't know to be honest I suspect the lad would be charged who knows | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex Although underage and as you point out illegal however there is an agreement within the law that of its two 15 year olds and both consenting will not be prosecuted, the law then changes for 12 and under as they are not deemed to be gileck competent. So 2 twelve year olds sneak into a 10p toilet. Possible outcome(prosecution wise)? . I wouldn't know to be honest I suspect the lad would be charged who knows "And who says I was thinking lad and lass? For all you know, 2 lasses.  | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex Although underage and as you point out illegal however there is an agreement within the law that of its two 15 year olds and both consenting will not be prosecuted, the law then changes for 12 and under as they are not deemed to be gileck competent. So 2 twelve year olds sneak into a 10p toilet. Possible outcome(prosecution wise)? "It would depend on what both parties declare happened. If they say it was consensual both sides, I expect they would both be prosecuted in a similar manner, if it is decided they will be prosecuted. This could mean a caution, or a fine, and possibly a year on the sex offenders register in the worst case scenario. | |||
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"He's admitted the guilt fine. I see the argument that if a 15/14 boy has sex with a 14/15 year old girl there is no grooming but what of a 17 year old boy with a 15 year old? Happens a lot should he be locked up? I ask a totally honest question how old were you when you lost your virginity and how old was the person you lost it too?" The law is a little more lenient if one party is over 16 and one is under 16. The issues arise when one party is over 18 and the age gap is declared significant by the law. As this could place a power imbalance in the relationship and make the younger party feel pressured to do something sexual. | |||
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"whilst I agree that he should be locked up etc etc I would be interested if people have the same view about locking up all the 14/15 year old lads who are currently going round having sex with girls of their age - this is just as much illegal! But I suspect not. But they're both underage in your scenario and therefore there is no grooming. but it is still illegal underage sex" This is very different though to an adult and a minor. An adult knows better (or should do). A 15 year old, in so far as the law is concerned, does not | |||
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"He's admitted the guilt fine. I see the argument that if a 15/14 boy has sex with a 14/15 year old girl there is no grooming but what of a 17 year old boy with a 15 year old? Happens a lot should he be locked up? I ask a totally honest question how old were you when you lost your virginity and how old was the person you lost it too?" You beat me to it. I was just waiting for the right moment to throw it into the mix.  | |||
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"Sex with anyone under 16 is rape but 13 and upwards there is a rebuttable presumption. Anyone under 13 there is no rebuttable presumption, you cannot argue they consented. " Why do I have a funny feeling you've just done your GDL? | |||
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" Grooming occurs when the one doing it KNOWS the age of the child or underage person. I feel that you're starting on a path of mitigating circumstances and trying to imply that if only youngsters didn't look a certain way this would be less likely to happen...it isn't true. Nope, not at all. Grooming is not always a faceless or contactless activity and may I quickly add that low self esteem(for the groomed) is not the only contributing factor. As we have both agreed, grooming needs a multidimensional approach to curb. If we pretend that appearance does not play a part then I dont know what to say. " I don't say that appearance doesn't play a part but a man or woman who wants sex with underage teenagers wants it "because" they look like under 16 year olds not because they are 15 but look 20, their age is the attraction. If a person is grooming somebody they have made a conscious decision while in possession of the full facts of their age to persuade or somehow coerce the youngster into sexual activity...no man or woman with principles would continue the relationship once they knew. I agree that many teenagers want to look older, I certainly did but in my opinion as an adult and a parent the responsibility for their sexual welfare, sexual safety and sexual education lies with us. | |||
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"Sex with anyone under 16 is rape but 13 and upwards there is a rebuttable presumption. Anyone under 13 there is no rebuttable presumption, you cannot argue they consented. Why do I have a funny feeling you've just done your GDL?" I haven't. Completed my LLB and LLM years ago. | |||
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"Sex with anyone under 16 is rape but 13 and upwards there is a rebuttable presumption. Anyone under 13 there is no rebuttable presumption, you cannot argue they consented. Why do I have a funny feeling you've just done your GDL? I haven't. Completed my LLB and LLM years ago. "
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" You see. I could sniff it. Hope you are doing OK. "Thank you | |||
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No matter how grown up she thought she was it was his responsibility to push her away.
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"I just hated on the radio that he has been chatting to her for ages on social media I.e face book e.c.t ? I did not know this I thought he has met her in a club? Now with a lot more of the facts about the case the Boone is definatly a scumbag as he must have known her age all along
No matter how grown up she thought she was it was his responsibility to push her away.
So deserves all he gets "Did he no her age though? I thought you had to be 16 to be on face book? | |||
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"I just hated on the radio that he has been chatting to her for ages on social media I.e face book e.c.t ? I did not know this I thought he has met her in a club? Now with a lot more of the facts about the case the Boone is definatly a scumbag as he must have known her age all along
No matter how grown up she thought she was it was his responsibility to push her away.
So deserves all he gets
Did he no her age though? I thought you had to be 16 to be on face book?"Yes he did. Facebook has a 13 lower age limit. | |||
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"I just hated on the radio that he has been chatting to her for ages on social media I.e face book e.c.t ? I did not know this I thought he has met her in a club? Now with a lot more of the facts about the case the Boone is definatly a scumbag as he must have known her age all along
No matter how grown up she thought she was it was his responsibility to push her away.
So deserves all he gets "This is what he is on trial for.....the facts outlined by the prosecution have yet to be confirmed in evidence. So until he is convicted of these matters, no one can claim he actually did it. He has pleaded guilty to other (paedo) related activities which have not yet been outlined in the public domain. While it may be very compelling as reported, let the jury make the decision on these matters after they have heard all of the evidence, rather than for us to make a decision on a headline. The fact that he has pleaded to other charges and will be imprisoned as a paedophile should not be confused with his current prosecution. Sunderland simply waited until the first legal finding of guilt until they quite rightly sacked him. | |||
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"I just hated on the radio that he has been chatting to her for ages on social media I.e face book e.c.t ? I did not know this I thought he has met her in a club? Now with a lot more of the facts about the case the Boone is definatly a scumbag as he must have known her age all along
No matter how grown up she thought she was it was his responsibility to push her away.
So deserves all he gets
Did he no her age though? I thought you had to be 16 to be on face book?
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"While I don't know the ins & outs of the case, he's certainly not a paedophile. There's a definite distinction between someone who assaults children, and someone who has sex with a 15 year old girl. Of course in the eyes of the law, and I agree entirely with the law, it's not right but to say he's a paedophile is simply not the case. While the girl was under age, it's not the same as abusing children. People need to learn the difference. I hope you understand what I mean by this." .You mean like Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis Ed Stewart | |||
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"While I don't know the ins & outs of the case, he's certainly not a paedophile. There's a definite distinction between someone who assaults children, and someone who has sex with a 15 year old girl. Of course in the eyes of the law, and I agree entirely with the law, it's not right but to say he's a paedophile is simply not the case. While the girl was under age, it's not the same as abusing children. People need to learn the difference. I hope you understand what I mean by this..You mean like Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis Ed Stewart" I was being serious. | |||
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"While I don't know the ins & outs of the case, he's certainly not a paedophile. There's a definite distinction between someone who assaults children, and someone who has sex with a 15 year old girl. Of course in the eyes of the law, and I agree entirely with the law, it's not right but to say he's a paedophile is simply not the case. While the girl was under age, it's not the same as abusing children. People need to learn the difference. I hope you understand what I mean by this..You mean like Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis Ed Stewart I was being serious." . Elvis dated Priscilla when she was 14 and he was about 25? Jerry married his 13 year old cousin and he was about 25? And Ed Stewart met his wife when she 13 and he was about 30? | |||
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"While I don't know the ins & outs of the case, he's certainly not a paedophile. There's a definite distinction between someone who assaults children, and someone who has sex with a 15 year old girl. Of course in the eyes of the law, and I agree entirely with the law, it's not right but to say he's a paedophile is simply not the case. While the girl was under age, it's not the same as abusing children. People need to learn the difference. I hope you understand what I mean by this..You mean like Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis Ed Stewart I was being serious.. Elvis dated Priscilla when she was 14 and he was about 25? Jerry married his 13 year old cousin and he was about 25? And Ed Stewart met his wife when she 13 and he was about 30?" Yes I know, but what's your point? Those were all many years ago and have no relevance to what I said, or the Adam Johnson case. You're twisting my words to fit your own agenda. | |||
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"While I don't know the ins & outs of the case, he's certainly not a paedophile. There's a definite distinction between someone who assaults children, and someone who has sex with a 15 year old girl. Of course in the eyes of the law, and I agree entirely with the law, it's not right but to say he's a paedophile is simply not the case. While the girl was under age, it's not the same as abusing children. People need to learn the difference. I hope you understand what I mean by this..You mean like Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis Ed Stewart I was being serious.. Elvis dated Priscilla when she was 14 and he was about 25? Jerry married his 13 year old cousin and he was about 25? And Ed Stewart met his wife when she 13 and he was about 30? Yes I know, but what's your point? Those were all many years ago and have no relevance to what I said, or the Adam Johnson case. You're twisting my words to fit your own agenda." . No I was joining in with your point, there's been a culture of older men dating younger girls for along time. It might have been years ago but jerry was actually thrown out of his tour in England for it, stewpot said he lost years of work at the bbc for it and Elvis just dammed got away with it. | |||
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"While I don't know the ins & outs of the case, he's certainly not a paedophile. There's a definite distinction between someone who assaults children, and someone who has sex with a 15 year old girl. Of course in the eyes of the law, and I agree entirely with the law, it's not right but to say he's a paedophile is simply not the case. While the girl was under age, it's not the same as abusing children. People need to learn the difference. I hope you understand what I mean by this..You mean like Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis Ed Stewart I was being serious.. Elvis dated Priscilla when she was 14 and he was about 25? Jerry married his 13 year old cousin and he was about 25? And Ed Stewart met his wife when she 13 and he was about 30? Yes I know, but what's your point? Those were all many years ago and have no relevance to what I said, or the Adam Johnson case. You're twisting my words to fit your own agenda.. No I was joining in with your point, there's been a culture of older men dating younger girls for along time. It might have been years ago but jerry was actually thrown out of his tour in England for it, stewpot said he lost years of work at the bbc for it and Elvis just dammed got away with it." My point wasn't that it was right - my point was that there's a defining line to be drawn between sex with a 15yr old, and abusing children, ie paedophilia. Some people are calling Adam Johnson a paedophile, but he isn't. He has broken the law, but there's a real difference between sex with a minor and abusing young children. | |||
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"While I don't know the ins & outs of the case, he's certainly not a paedophile. There's a definite distinction between someone who assaults children, and someone who has sex with a 15 year old girl. Of course in the eyes of the law, and I agree entirely with the law, it's not right but to say he's a paedophile is simply not the case. While the girl was under age, it's not the same as abusing children. People need to learn the difference. I hope you understand what I mean by this..You mean like Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis Ed Stewart I was being serious.. Elvis dated Priscilla when she was 14 and he was about 25? Jerry married his 13 year old cousin and he was about 25? And Ed Stewart met his wife when she 13 and he was about 30? Yes I know, but what's your point? Those were all many years ago and have no relevance to what I said, or the Adam Johnson case. You're twisting my words to fit your own agenda.. No I was joining in with your point, there's been a culture of older men dating younger girls for along time. It might have been years ago but jerry was actually thrown out of his tour in England for it, stewpot said he lost years of work at the bbc for it and Elvis just dammed got away with it. My point wasn't that it was right - my point was that there's a defining line to be drawn between sex with a 15yr old, and abusing children, ie paedophilia. Some people are calling Adam Johnson a paedophile, but he isn't. He has broken the law, but there's a real difference between sex with a minor and abusing young children." is there fuck kid there's a line he crossed it give me strength | |||
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"While I don't know the ins & outs of the case, he's certainly not a paedophile. There's a definite distinction between someone who assaults children, and someone who has sex with a 15 year old girl. Of course in the eyes of the law, and I agree entirely with the law, it's not right but to say he's a paedophile is simply not the case. While the girl was under age, it's not the same as abusing children. People need to learn the difference. I hope you understand what I mean by this..You mean like Elvis Presley Jerry Lee Lewis Ed Stewart I was being serious.. Elvis dated Priscilla when she was 14 and he was about 25? Jerry married his 13 year old cousin and he was about 25? And Ed Stewart met his wife when she 13 and he was about 30? Yes I know, but what's your point? Those were all many years ago and have no relevance to what I said, or the Adam Johnson case. You're twisting my words to fit your own agenda.. No I was joining in with your point, there's been a culture of older men dating younger girls for along time. It might have been years ago but jerry was actually thrown out of his tour in England for it, stewpot said he lost years of work at the bbc for it and Elvis just dammed got away with it. My point wasn't that it was right - my point was that there's a defining line to be drawn between sex with a 15yr old, and abusing children, ie paedophilia. Some people are calling Adam Johnson a paedophile, but he isn't. He has broken the law, but there's a real difference between sex with a minor and abusing young children. is there fuck kid there's a line he crossed it give me strength " Thank you for your informed and enlightening opinion. | |||
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"you liberals do my bonce in it's not rocket science " It's not about being liberal, it's about the distinction between child abuse, and sex with a minor. They're two different things. | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin " . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger? | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger?" 
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"surely she is still a child at 15 regardless" Yes she's under age, but being a paedophile and having sex with someone under the age of consent - in this case, a 15yr old, is not the same thing. I don't get what's so hard for people to understand about this concept. | |||
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"I don't share your views ,, sorry" So you think that a man who abuses say a 5 yr old, is the same as someone who has sex with a 15yr old? You can't use such blanket thinking for things like this in my view. Yes he broke the law, yes he knew it, yes he should face the consequences, yes the law is correct, however - it does not make him a paedophile. | |||
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"Quite right too.... "No shit!! As soon as the club found out he was guilty it was a done deal. Totally right. | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger?" I think it sounds more like " why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home " | |||
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"I just wanted to say how amazing it is to see such a brilliant turn out of condemnation towards Johnson's behaviour there is in this cross section of this website. You always get rape apologists in almost every argument of this sort, but not very much here! I'm a super proud member of fab today. You guys are freaking awesome! xxxx" old school you babe I make you right tho | |||
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"I just wanted to say how amazing it is to see such a brilliant turn out of condemnation towards Johnson's behaviour there is in this cross section of this website. You always get rape apologists in almost every argument of this sort, but not very much here! I'm a super proud member of fab today. You guys are freaking awesome! xxxx old school you babe I make you right tho " Huh?  | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger? I think it sounds more like " why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home "" So, again, if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then grooming a 15 year girl would be what? OK? Justified? | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger? I think it sounds more like " why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home " So, again, if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then grooming a 15 year girl would be what? OK? Justified? " I think thats twisting it a lot | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger? I think it sounds more like " why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home " So, again, if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then grooming a 15 year girl would be what? OK? Justified? I think thats twisting it a lot" Really? Then what, exactly, is the relevance of bringing up how good looking his wife is? | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger? I think it sounds more like " why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home " So, again, if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then grooming a 15 year girl would be what? OK? Justified? I think thats twisting it a lot Really? Then what, exactly, is the relevance of bringing up how good looking his wife is? " Maybe read the mans following post where he explains the first post.  | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger? I think it sounds more like " why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home " So, again, if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then grooming a 15 year girl would be what? OK? Justified? I think thats twisting it a lot Really? Then what, exactly, is the relevance of bringing up how good looking his wife is? Maybe read the mans following post where he explains the first post. "Oh I did. And I understand his point that he made a bad decision and ruined his life and career. But I'm more picking up on your comment of "why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home". Because that implies if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then it would be a good reason to "go elsewhere" - i.e. groom a 15yo. | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger? I think it sounds more like " why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home " So, again, if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then grooming a 15 year girl would be what? OK? Justified? I think thats twisting it a lot Really? Then what, exactly, is the relevance of bringing up how good looking his wife is? Maybe read the mans following post where he explains the first post.
Oh I did. And I understand his point that he made a bad decision and ruined his life and career.
But I'm more picking up on your comment of "why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home".
Because that implies if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then it would be a good reason to "go elsewhere" - i.e. groom a 15yo. "I think it has already been established that the poster made an error when he said that - and he has also sort of apologised further up the thread | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger? I think it sounds more like " why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home "" . Yeah but she could be a right bitch to live with? | |||
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"Have you see his wife? What an idiot he is. Living the dream and he did that. Fucking cretin . That's a strange concept... He somehow would be less culpable if his wife was a minger? I think it sounds more like " why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home " So, again, if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then grooming a 15 year girl would be what? OK? Justified? I think thats twisting it a lot Really? Then what, exactly, is the relevance of bringing up how good looking his wife is? Maybe read the mans following post where he explains the first post.
Oh I did. And I understand his point that he made a bad decision and ruined his life and career.
But I'm more picking up on your comment of "why has he gone elsewhere when he has a stunner at home".
Because that implies if he didn't have a "stunner" at home, then it would be a good reason to "go elsewhere" - i.e. groom a 15yo. "I didn't make the comment, I just posted what I thought the man meant.I have not given my view one way or another. So again, maybe ask the man who posted it | |||
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"I don't share your views ,, sorry So you think that a man who abuses say a 5 yr old, is the same as someone who has sex with a 15yr old? You can't use such blanket thinking for things like this in my view. Yes he broke the law, yes he knew it, yes he should face the consequences, yes the law is correct, however - it does not make him a paedophile." A man who grooms a child with the intention of having sexual relations knowing said child is under 16 is in my opinion no different to a man doing the same with a child of 5. He's still using a level of manipulation for his sexual gratification. | |||
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"I can't understand why his girlfriend is standing by him, especially as this was going on when she was pregnant. Disclaimer: I think she should be repulsed whether she was pregnant or not. This is the bit that has puzzled me too. " might have something to do with the lads bank balance | |||
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"I can't understand why his girlfriend is standing by him, especially as this was going on when she was pregnant. Disclaimer: I think she should be repulsed whether she was pregnant or not. This is the bit that has puzzled me too. " I'm so confused by her, just seen her supporting him on the news. Isn't she worried about their child???. Not like the guy could be trusted around anyone under the age of 16 is it. | |||
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"I don't share your views ,, sorry So you think that a man who abuses say a 5 yr old, is the same as someone who has sex with a 15yr old? You can't use such blanket thinking for things like this in my view. Yes he broke the law, yes he knew it, yes he should face the consequences, yes the law is correct, however - it does not make him a paedophile." Paedophile definition is a person who is sexually attracted to children. Children being the plural of child. Child definition is a person below the age of puberty OR below the legal age of majority. The UN convention on the rights of a child defines child as anyone under the age of 18, unless the age of majority is reached earlier than 18. Yes, I believe this does make him a Paedophile; she is below the legal age of consent and therefore is below the legal age of majority for the law in discussion. | |||
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"I kinda guess as the mother of his child she maybe feels obligated to try show she made an effort to keep their family together so when the child is old enough to understand what her father did at least she can see her mother tried to put the child's best interest first... "Hmm.. by showing her children that it is ok for their dad to have sex with underage people while cheating on their mother....I am not sure thats a good example to set. | |||
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"I don't share your views ,, sorry So you think that a man who abuses say a 5 yr old, is the same as someone who has sex with a 15yr old? You can't use such blanket thinking for things like this in my view. Yes he broke the law, yes he knew it, yes he should face the consequences, yes the law is correct, however - it does not make him a paedophile. Paedophile definition is a person who is sexually attracted to children. Children being the plural of child. Child definition is a person below the age of puberty OR below the legal age of majority. The UN convention on the rights of a child defines child as anyone under the age of 18, unless the age of majority is reached earlier than 18. Yes, I believe this does make him a Paedophile; she is below the legal age of consent and therefore is below the legal age of majority for the law in discussion. " And the legal age of consent in the Vatican city was 12 until very recently so what does that tell you??? Personally I think it should be 18. Until you're old enough to sign for a bank loan and be responsible for something as sinole as money then how the hell are you old enough to be responsible for sex and babies etc. Just my thought fwiw | |||
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"I can't understand why his girlfriend is standing by him, especially as this was going on when she was pregnant. Disclaimer: I think she should be repulsed whether she was pregnant or not. This is the bit that has puzzled me too. I'm so confused by her, just seen her supporting him on the news. Isn't she worried about their child???. Not like the guy could be trusted around anyone under the age of 16 is it. " I don't think it is always the case that men who have underage sex would have it with their children too, but yes, there is no way I would be with him after this nor stand in front of the cameras showing support. | |||
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"I kinda guess as the mother of his child she maybe feels obligated to try show she made an effort to keep their family together so when the child is old enough to understand what her father did at least she can see her mother tried to put the child's best interest first...
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"I can't understand why his girlfriend is standing by him, especially as this was going on when she was pregnant. Disclaimer: I think she should be repulsed whether she was pregnant or not. " One of two possible reasons... She might be completely in love with him and want her child to have a proper traditional family and is prepared to swallow her own pride to do so (incredibly strong) Or she might know he's going to jail and her divorce settlement will be way better after conviction... (Well informed/advised) Either way, put the legality aside re: age/consent/grooming (because that's a foregone conclusion and I'm not in the legal business). He made an absolute dick move, Mrs messages him pic of baby and he replies she looks class... Then txt's this girl straight away.... We're all adults in here and by definition of this website, we all have our own take on promiscuity..... But I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that's a little bit rank.... And now everyone will always know him for what did, sadly his daughter will do too one day.. And that's my 2 pence Happy Friday everyone | |||
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"I don't share your views ,, sorry So you think that a man who abuses say a 5 yr old, is the same as someone who has sex with a 15yr old? You can't use such blanket thinking for things like this in my view. Yes he broke the law, yes he knew it, yes he should face the consequences, yes the law is correct, however - it does not make him a paedophile. Paedophile definition is a person who is sexually attracted to children. Children being the plural of child. Child definition is a person below the age of puberty OR below the legal age of majority. The UN convention on the rights of a child defines child as anyone under the age of 18, unless the age of majority is reached earlier than 18. Yes, I believe this does make him a Paedophile; she is below the legal age of consent and therefore is below the legal age of majority for the law in discussion. And the legal age of consent in the Vatican city was 12 until very recently so what does that tell you??? Personally I think it should be 18. Until you're old enough to sign for a bank loan and be responsible for something as sinole as money then how the hell are you old enough to be responsible for sex and babies etc. Just my thought fwiw " This crime was neither commited in the Vatican City not being prosecuted within the Vatican City, under the eyes of UK law he is a child sex offender. Your point is however informative of other countries and age of consent is always going to be a point of debate, with regards to when you should be declared as responsible to consent. | |||
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"Lets have a look at this: somewhere up this thread somebody hinted that if the guy had been 16 - 18, it would have been OK. " By ok you mean legal? One thing I fucking hate about this country is that people think that everything legal is somehow moral as well. It isn't. Do we really need to go and create a law for every disgusting act? Adam Johnson is a 28 year old man, what the flying fuck does he need to hang around teenagers for? He's 1 year younger than me, do you know how many teenage friends I have, none. He's got a stunning girlfriend and is frankly just a sexual predator. I'm not judgemental on age gaps, but he wasn't out for a girlfriend or treating her with respect. He just used her for his own pleasure and that is morally disgusting whether she is 15, 16, 17 or 18. | |||
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"So f@#k off Adam Johnson..... You beat me to it but least you left me some! ....he's goin' down for noncin' " knew someone would play lol | |||
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"Oh and on another note (just fact not an attempt to justify it or agree with it in any way). Did you know our very own queen lizzy and prince Phillip began their courtship when Liz was about 13/14 and Phil was in his 20's..... " What a long period to be eating the same muff!! | |||
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"The choice of words and phasing provided by the girl as gives answers during cross-examination shows a level of maturity and understanding I wasn't expecting... "Really? Which bits? | |||
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"The choice of words and phasing provided by the girl as gives answers during cross-examination shows a level of maturity and understanding I wasn't expecting...
Really? Which bits? "Just some of ones reported by the Sky news feed.... although since I posted my observation some of the following reports completely turn that observation on it'd head..... My post wasn't meant as anything other than commentary ...... | |||
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"The choice of words and phasing provided by the girl as gives answers during cross-examination shows a level of maturity and understanding I wasn't expecting...
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Just some of ones reported by the Sky news feed.... although since I posted my observation some of the following reports completely turn that observation on it'd head.....
My post wasn't meant as anything other than commentary ...... "Damn, I had a really witty joke / comment to make. Ah well, better save it for the next scandal involving a premiership footballer. | |||
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"Sentencing in 2 to 3 weeks time.... Maximum sentence for the two charges he admitted too and the charge for which he has been found Guilty is 14 years imprisonment.. "Stupid stupid man | |||
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"wave bye bye to earning £60,000 a week, takes most of us almost a year to earn that Guess what ever prison he goes to will have a good football team though" According to one news-feed he enjoyed visiting the USA and hoped to see out his playing career over there.... It also mentioned he reputedly spent 50k in one night while visiting a gambling resort in the states.... | |||
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"wave bye bye to earning £60,000 a week, takes most of us almost a year to earn that Guess what ever prison he goes to will have a good football team though According to one news-feed he enjoyed visiting the USA and hoped to see out his playing career over there.... It also mentioned he reputedly spent 50k in one night while visiting a gambling resort in the states.... "But he won't get into US with criminal record anyway. | |||
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"Why would someone who had it all (so to speak) risk it all for a fumble with a pretty young lass..... dumb as fuck some of these footballers "He's not the first, neither will he be the last from all walks of life. | |||
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"wave bye bye to earning £60,000 a week, takes most of us almost a year to earn that Guess what ever prison he goes to will have a good football team though" Can you get me a job where you are please!! | |||
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"Why would someone who had it all (so to speak) risk it all for a fumble with a pretty young lass..... dumb as fuck some of these footballers
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"He will never play professionally again - the abuse he would get from the terraces would be awful " Abuse you will see abuse tonight when that twat Stirling runs out tonight at Anfield | |||
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"I'm going to get lynched for this but anyway. She was a 15 year old girl besotted by him, I know damn well what some 15 year old girls are like. He was a bloody idiot and thought with his cock and he's he's the adult but let's!not underestimate what manipulative sexual little so and sos some 15 hear olds can be i know because I was one. " Do you have a daughter? You know the line I'm going down here | |||
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"I'm going to get lynched for this but anyway. She was a 15 year old girl besotted by him, I know damn well what some 15 year old girls are like. He was a bloody idiot and thought with his cock and he's he's the adult but let's!not underestimate what manipulative sexual little so and sos some 15 hear olds can be i know because I was one. " thats true, some will be and some will know exactly what they are up to but any adult who knowingly goes too far with an underage person regardless of whether they are savvy, street wise, besotted by celebrity or none of those is a fool and deserves what the law throws at them.. | |||
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"I'm going to get lynched for this but anyway. She was a 15 year old girl besotted by him, I know damn well what some 15 year old girls are like. He was a bloody idiot and thought with his cock and he's he's the adult but let's!not underestimate what manipulative sexual little so and sos some 15 hear olds can be i know because I was one. Do you have a daughter? You know the line I'm going down here" I don't know what line no and I'm not saying she is one of them but we know nothing about her I just know!what some 15 year old girls are like. Do I think he should be punished yes but I don't think he's 100% to blame. | |||
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"I'm going to get lynched for this but anyway. She was a 15 year old girl besotted by him, I know damn well what some 15 year old girls are like. He was a bloody idiot and thought with his cock and he's he's the adult but let's!not underestimate what manipulative sexual little so and sos some 15 hear olds can be i know because I was one. Do you have a daughter? You know the line I'm going down hereI don't know what line no and I'm not saying she is one of them but we know nothing about her I just know!what some 15 year old girls are like. Do I think he should be punished yes but I don't think he's 100% to blame." I'm saying if it was your (just turned) 15 year old daughter would you think he wasn't 100% to blame? Especially as it was one of the first bloody things she said to him | |||
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"I'm going to get lynched for this but anyway. She was a 15 year old girl besotted by him, I know damn well what some 15 year old girls are like. He was a bloody idiot and thought with his cock and he's he's the adult but let's!not underestimate what manipulative sexual little so and sos some 15 hear olds can be i know because I was one. He's 100% to blame as he new she was 15 before things started to happen with him and the girl,the judge said he can expect between 4 and 10 years in prison. Do you have a daughter? You know the line I'm going down hereI don't know what line no and I'm not saying she is one of them but we know nothing about her I just know!what some 15 year old girls are like. Do I think he should be punished yes but I don't think he's 100% to blame." | |||
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"He will never play professionally again - the abuse he would get from the terraces would be awful Abuse you will see abuse tonight when that twat Stirling runs out tonight at Anfield " lol the thing is I hate him and both teams but after being called a Munich by Liverpool fans Sunday night I am actually hoping he scores | |||
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"I'm going to get lynched for this but anyway. She was a 15 year old girl besotted by him, I know damn well what some 15 year old girls are like. He was a bloody idiot and thought with his cock and he's he's the adult but let's!not underestimate what manipulative sexual little so and sos some 15 hear olds can be i know because I was one. No I wouldn't think he was 100% to blame I'm not saying he isn't to blame but I know what some 15 year old girls are like now I'm sure we all know our own kids and what they are and are not capable off Do you have a daughter? You know the line I'm going down hereI don't know what line no and I'm not saying she is one of them but we know nothing about her I just know!what some 15 year old girls are like. Do I think he should be punished yes but I don't think he's 100% to blame. I'm saying if it was your (just turned) 15 year old daughter would you think he wasn't 100% to blame? Especially as it was one of the first bloody things she said to him " | |||
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"He'll get a nice welcome from the nonce squad when he goes to prison,stupid prick. he's ex girlfriend who is bloody gorgeous has said they are now just friends and no longer together." His daughter get's my sympathy ..... | |||
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"I'm going to get lynched for this but anyway. She was a 15 year old girl besotted by him, I know damn well what some 15 year old girls are like. He was a bloody idiot and thought with his cock and he's he's the adult but let's!not underestimate what manipulative sexual little so and sos some 15 hear olds can be i know because I was one. Do you have a daughter? You know the line I'm going down hereI don't know what line no and I'm not saying she is one of them but we know nothing about her I just know!what some 15 year old girls are like. Do I think he should be punished yes but I don't think he's 100% to blame. I'm saying if it was your (just turned) 15 year old daughter would you think he wasn't 100% to blame? Especially as it was one of the first bloody things she said to him " This He knew her age. She never tried to hide it yet he still arranged to meet her.
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"As a sunderland fan i think he should of been sacked as soon as it came to light i can only assume he told the club he didnt do it Silly lad who shouldve had more sense but lets hope justice is served" he was suspended just under the max allowed by the pfa who got involved by johnson ie union due to pleading not guilty club couldnt sack him even though a club official had been told what he had done due to other minors who play in academys soon as he changed plea he was sacked | |||
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"As a sunderland fan i think he should of been sacked as soon as it came to light i can only assume he told the club he didnt do it Silly lad who shouldve had more sense but lets hope justice is servedhe was suspended just under the max allowed by the pfa who got involved by johnson ie union due to pleading not guilty club couldnt sack him even though a club official had been told what he had done due to other minors who play in academys soon as he changed plea he was sacked " As much as he is guilty, I believe a bit of punctuation goes a long way to aid comprehension. | |||
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"I'm going to get lynched for this but anyway. She was a 15 year old girl besotted by him, I know damn well what some 15 year old girls are like. He was a bloody idiot and thought with his cock and he's he's the adult but let's!not underestimate what manipulative sexual little so and sos some 15 hear olds can be i know because I was one. Do you have a daughter? You know the line I'm going down hereI don't know what line no and I'm not saying she is one of them but we know nothing about her I just know!what some 15 year old girls are like. Do I think he should be punished yes but I don't think he's 100% to blame." Yep 15 year old girls can be a handful, but that just means any self respecting adult treats them like the child with a big gob they are, not as a sex object. | |||
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"The blaming of the girl by his fans sickens me. Men who kick balls around should not be treated as demi-gods. " | |||
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"The blaming of the girl by his fans sickens me. Men who kick balls around should not be treated as demi-gods. " agreed, although as sometimes seen on here in similar issues there is often some who will trot out the tired old cliche's that she knew what she was up to, she deserved it etc.. the second point is sadly relevant with 'celebrity' and the historical cases that have come to light.. | |||
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"I'm going to get lynched for this but anyway. She was a 15 year old girl besotted by him, I know damn well what some 15 year old girls are like. He was a bloody idiot and thought with his cock and he's he's the adult but let's!not underestimate what manipulative sexual little so and sos some 15 hear olds can be i know because I was one. Do you have a daughter? You know the line I'm going down hereI don't know what line no and I'm not saying she is one of them but we know nothing about her I just know!what some 15 year old girls are like. Do I think he should be punished yes but I don't think he's 100% to blame. Yep 15 year old girls can be a handful, but that just means any self respecting adult treats them like the child with a big gob they are, not as a sex object." | |||
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"The blaming of the girl by his fans sickens me. Men who kick balls around should not be treated as demi-gods. agreed, although as sometimes seen on here in similar issues there is often some who will trot out the tired old cliche's that she knew what she was up to, she deserved it etc.. the second point is sadly relevant with 'celebrity' and the historical cases that have come to light.. " Agreed. The lessons of the recent past still haven't sunk in. | |||
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