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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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Both junior doctors and licenced taxi drivers have separate demonstrations in central London today.
Junior doctors protesting against changes to their contracts and working conditions. Taxi drivers protesting against government interference with their licensing authority and biased interpretation of regulations and unfair application |
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"There are marches every Saturday for one reason or another. Very few protests on weekdays in comparison "
oh, I don't get this thread, so its not about demos but demos that take place in the week.
Well here's my thoughts on demos, of its something I'm interested in I will go and have a look and see what they say, if I'm not I will stay away.
It wasn't a march but there was a big thing about the junior doctors in Leicester the other week and I signed the petition they had.
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over a year ago
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We had a taxi demo round here.
They were protesting about the proposal to put cameras in their cars.
So they drove very slowly in a convoy around the main roads.
No one really supported them. |
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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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"There are marches every Saturday for one reason or another. Very few protests on weekdays in comparison oh, I don't get this thread, so its not about demos but demos that take place in the week.
Well here's my thoughts on demos, of its something I'm interested in I will go and have a look and see what they say, if I'm not I will stay away.
It wasn't a march but there was a big thing about the junior doctors in Leicester the other week and I signed the petition they had.
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i am very much behind both protests. If I need the service of a qualified professional I want to know I am getting a good service not a tired overworked doctor or someone who has not been properly vetted and doesn't have a clue about where he is going or the road traffic Act |
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"There are marches every Saturday for one reason or another. Very few protests on weekdays in comparison oh, I don't get this thread, so its not about demos but demos that take place in the week.
Well here's my thoughts on demos, of its something I'm interested in I will go and have a look and see what they say, if I'm not I will stay away.
It wasn't a march but there was a big thing about the junior doctors in Leicester the other week and I signed the petition they had.
i am very much behind both protests. If I need the service of a qualified professional I want to know I am getting a good service not a tired overworked doctor or someone who has not been properly vetted and doesn't have a clue about where he is going or the road traffic Act"
what are the taxi drivers protesting against, i know you said in the op but actually how will it affect them |
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Taxi drivers are protesting because London is letting outfits like Uber take great tranches of their business;
I am with the Taxi drivers here; they have orifesdionalism, proper licensing and the Knowledge; Uber is a very dodgy set up.... |
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"life is simple ..if u don't like your terms of employment /conditions etc grow some balls and leave.....everyone is replaceable nowdays.....gonads required get some"
So the pay you get for being on holiday, the end to child slavery, protection from being fired if you are ill, you wouldn't have that if people just grew a pair and left their jobs.
I think it takes more bollocks to strike then it does to just walk away. |
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"its a protest about public safety, so its not a strike...just a go slow  "
I see yes, they did say on the news tho, that the doctors, didn't have to go on one. |
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balls to strike more like idiots....ask the miners etc ....done them a lot of good ...not a mine in the country now...these strikers will never win ,wont even cover the money they loose,ps ask the people who have had ops etc cancelled ,if they support them... |
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"balls to strike more like idiots....ask the miners etc ....done them a lot of good ...not a mine in the country now...these strikers will never win ,wont even cover the money they loose,ps ask the people who have had ops etc cancelled ,if they support them..."
Yes. I've had an op cancelled twice. My best friend has had his cancelled once.
I still support them. Took them cakes and doughnuts last strike, this one I've stood at their stall in the town centre.
I support them. I'd rather they operated on me fresh and awake than at the end of a 20 hour shift. |
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"Taxi drivers are protesting because London is letting outfits like Uber take great tranches of their business;
I am with the Taxi drivers here; they have orifesdionalism, proper licensing and the Knowledge; Uber is a very dodgy set up.... "
Rarely in London but black cabs are ridiculous in price there and surely the competition just adds choice to the customer. I know Uber tax thing will probably be brought up but I don't all taxi drivers in London are completely honest on their returns
Junior Doctors I'm in complete support of |
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"life is simple ..if u don't like your terms of employment /conditions etc grow some balls and leave.....everyone is replaceable nowdays.....gonads required get some"
they're happy with their terms of employment .... the problem is the employer wants to change those terms of employment. |
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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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There were taxi drivers there from Brussels, Paris and Liverpool, they all said the same thing, one company is being allowed to (in some cities) flaunt regulations and laws that others are expected to stick to. I checked on the app today and the company that is being allowed break these Laws was charging a minimum fare of £28 + 4.8 times the normal price. It has been disclosed that the vehicles are uninsured and that drivers are not being checked in the same way as other private hire drivers. |
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"There were taxi drivers there from Brussels, Paris and Liverpool, they all said the same thing, one company is being allowed to (in some cities) flaunt regulations and laws that others are expected to stick to. I checked on the app today and the company that is being allowed break these Laws was charging a minimum fare of £28 + 4.8 times the normal price. It has been disclosed that the vehicles are uninsured and that drivers are not being checked in the same way as other private hire drivers. "
and where does the government interference come in
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"balls to strike more like idiots....ask the miners etc ....done them a lot of good ...not a mine in the country now...these strikers will never win ,wont even cover the money they loose,ps ask the people who have had ops etc cancelled ,if they support them..."
so strikes never work and that eh 1994 railtrack strike result for me 11% pay rise for 4hrs less a week backdated 7 months so actualy gained for coming out on strike .
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Strikes are for when all else has failed. .. and with this government that doesn't take long.
Please don't believe rhe waffle and outright lies the media tell you. Private is not often best. And always costs a lot more. ... |
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"There are marches every Saturday for one reason or another. Very few protests on weekdays in comparison oh, I don't get this thread, so its not about demos but demos that take place in the week.
Well here's my thoughts on demos, of its something I'm interested in I will go and have a look and see what they say, if I'm not I will stay away.
It wasn't a march but there was a big thing about the junior doctors in Leicester the other week and I signed the petition they had.
i am very much behind both protests. If I need the service of a qualified professional I want to know I am getting a good service not a tired overworked doctor or someone who has not been properly vetted and doesn't have a clue about where he is going or the road traffic Act"
Totally agree. I support them both. |
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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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"There were taxi drivers there from Brussels, Paris and Liverpool, they all said the same thing, one company is being allowed to (in some cities) flaunt regulations and laws that others are expected to stick to. I checked on the app today and the company that is being allowed break these Laws was charging a minimum fare of £28 + 4.8 times the normal price. It has been disclosed that the vehicles are uninsured and that drivers are not being checked in the same way as other private hire drivers. and where does the government interference come in"
There is a company which is owned by Google that is being allowed to operate illegally, it does not comply with current private hire legislation. The head of PR for this company is Rachel Whetstone, godmother to David Cameron's kids and partner of Steve Hilton, ex head of communications for the Conservative party. In a request under the freedom of information Act the Mayor of London has had to admit to having secret meetings with Google and Uber last year which were not minuted. |
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"life is simple ..if u don't like your terms of employment /conditions etc grow some balls and leave.....everyone is replaceable nowdays.....gonads required get some"
anyone who allows their terms of conditions to be pissed on, taken away at someone's whim and does nothing has no balls and deserves what they get..
would you allow someone to walk into your house and take what's yours, what you own and do nothing..?
because that is in effect what you are saying.. |
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"There were taxi drivers there from Brussels, Paris and Liverpool, they all said the same thing, one company is being allowed to (in some cities) flaunt regulations and laws that others are expected to stick to. I checked on the app today and the company that is being allowed break these Laws was charging a minimum fare of £28 + 4.8 times the normal price. It has been disclosed that the vehicles are uninsured and that drivers are not being checked in the same way as other private hire drivers. and where does the government interference come in
There is a company which is owned by Google that is being allowed to operate illegally, it does not comply with current private hire legislation. The head of PR for this company is Rachel Whetstone, godmother to David Cameron's kids and partner of Steve Hilton, ex head of communications for the Conservative party. In a request under the freedom of information Act the Mayor of London has had to admit to having secret meetings with Google and Uber last year which were not minuted. "
ok, I didn't make head nor tail of that bit. Why does it make a difference who the PR is would it be different if it was fred bloggs |
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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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"There were taxi drivers there from Brussels, Paris and Liverpool, they all said the same thing, one company is being allowed to (in some cities) flaunt regulations and laws that others are expected to stick to. I checked on the app today and the company that is being allowed break these Laws was charging a minimum fare of £28 + 4.8 times the normal price. It has been disclosed that the vehicles are uninsured and that drivers are not being checked in the same way as other private hire drivers. and where does the government interference come in
There is a company which is owned by Google that is being allowed to operate illegally, it does not comply with current private hire legislation. The head of PR for this company is Rachel Whetstone, godmother to David Cameron's kids and partner of Steve Hilton, ex head of communications for the Conservative party. In a request under the freedom of information Act the Mayor of London has had to admit to having secret meetings with Google and Uber last year which were not minuted. ok, I didn't make head nor tail of that bit. Why does it make a difference who the PR is would it be different if it was fred bloggs"
tou asked about government pressure. The prime ministers best friends are directors of the company that is operating illegally and the government has put pressure on the licensing authority to ignore their illegal practices |
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"I am fully in support of the striking doctors too. They have a thankless job often working unsociable hours in less than ideal conditions. "
The strike is about retaining the status quo, with doctors already working ridiculous hours or changing it to spread over 7 days. Everyone defends the wonderful people doing the job, but it does come down to it being a pay dispute and not about care.
Surely it makes sense to operate the NHS on a 24 hour, 7 day a week basis. These are expensive assets - people, buildings and technology. Perhaps if the BMS and the Government worked out the best answer for the country, then we could look at funding more doctors and nurses to deliver the service, and reduce ridiculous hours.
I have sympathy with both sides on this, but stop arguing about things and go to arbitration properly. |
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"I am fully in support of the striking doctors too. They have a thankless job often working unsociable hours in less than ideal conditions.
The strike is about retaining the status quo, with doctors already working ridiculous hours or changing it to spread over 7 days. Everyone defends the wonderful people doing the job, but it does come down to it being a pay dispute and not about care.
Surely it makes sense to operate the NHS on a 24 hour, 7 day a week basis. These are expensive assets - people, buildings and technology. Perhaps if the BMS and the Government worked out the best answer for the country, then we could look at funding more doctors and nurses to deliver the service, and reduce ridiculous hours.
I have sympathy with both sides on this, but stop arguing about things and go to arbitration properly. "
BMA!  |
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"There were taxi drivers there from Brussels, Paris and Liverpool, they all said the same thing, one company is being allowed to (in some cities) flaunt regulations and laws that others are expected to stick to. I checked on the app today and the company that is being allowed break these Laws was charging a minimum fare of £28 + 4.8 times the normal price. It has been disclosed that the vehicles are uninsured and that drivers are not being checked in the same way as other private hire drivers. and where does the government interference come in
There is a company which is owned by Google that is being allowed to operate illegally, it does not comply with current private hire legislation. The head of PR for this company is Rachel Whetstone, godmother to David Cameron's kids and partner of Steve Hilton, ex head of communications for the Conservative party. In a request under the freedom of information Act the Mayor of London has had to admit to having secret meetings with Google and Uber last year which were not minuted. ok, I didn't make head nor tail of that bit. Why does it make a difference who the PR is would it be different if it was fred bloggstou asked about government pressure. The prime ministers best friends are directors of the company that is operating illegally and the government has put pressure on the licensing authority to ignore their illegal practices "
right based on what you've said in this thread, the last part (which you explains first) I'd completly agree with and signed a petition.
However, if you came out with the first bit first (that you explains last) you wouldn't have got my signature as I would of walked away as I wouldn't have known what the fuck you where on about. |
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"I am fully in support of the striking doctors too. They have a thankless job often working unsociable hours in less than ideal conditions.
The strike is about retaining the status quo, with doctors already working ridiculous hours or changing it to spread over 7 days. Everyone defends the wonderful people doing the job, but it does come down to it being a pay dispute and not about care.
Surely it makes sense to operate the NHS on a 24 hour, 7 day a week basis. These are expensive assets - people, buildings and technology. Perhaps if the BMS and the Government worked out the best answer for the country, then we could look at funding more doctors and nurses to deliver the service, and reduce ridiculous hours.
I have sympathy with both sides on this, but stop arguing about things and go to arbitration properly. "
The NHS is already 24 hours a day 7 days a week, well it certainly is in the trust I work in. And we have Drs there 24 hours too we all work a similar shift pattern.
There has been arbitration but it's got no where hence strike action. Once they have stitches the Drs up and changed there contracts it will be down to the next level ie: nursing staff who coincidently unlike most professionals haven't had a pay rise in years. |
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"I am fully in support of the striking doctors too. They have a thankless job often working unsociable hours in less than ideal conditions.
The strike is about retaining the status quo, with doctors already working ridiculous hours or changing it to spread over 7 days. Everyone defends the wonderful people doing the job, but it does come down to it being a pay dispute and not about care.
Surely it makes sense to operate the NHS on a 24 hour, 7 day a week basis. These are expensive assets - people, buildings and technology. Perhaps if the BMS and the Government worked out the best answer for the country, then we could look at funding more doctors and nurses to deliver the service, and reduce ridiculous hours.
I have sympathy with both sides on this, but stop arguing about things and go to arbitration properly. "
They've been to arbitration. It went well, The health secretary vetoed the deal. Now i wonder what his motivation for that is?
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/jeremy-hunt-vetoed-deal-to-end-junior-doctor-dispute-which-was-supported-by-the-nhss-own-negotiators-a6861606.html |
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"There were taxi drivers there from Brussels, Paris and Liverpool, they all said the same thing, one company is being allowed to (in some cities) flaunt regulations and laws that others are expected to stick to. I checked on the app today and the company that is being allowed break these Laws was charging a minimum fare of £28 + 4.8 times the normal price. It has been disclosed that the vehicles are uninsured and that drivers are not being checked in the same way as other private hire drivers. and where does the government interference come in
There is a company which is owned by Google that is being allowed to operate illegally, it does not comply with current private hire legislation. The head of PR for this company is Rachel Whetstone, godmother to David Cameron's kids and partner of Steve Hilton, ex head of communications for the Conservative party. In a request under the freedom of information Act the Mayor of London has had to admit to having secret meetings with Google and Uber last year which were not minuted. ok, I didn't make head nor tail of that bit. Why does it make a difference who the PR is would it be different if it was fred bloggstou asked about government pressure. The prime ministers best friends are directors of the company that is operating illegally and the government has put pressure on the licensing authority to ignore their illegal practices "
I hate to spoil a good conspiracy theory, but aren't the elected politicians just doing what the electorate want:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/londoners-are-on-ubers-side-in-face-of-boris-johnsons-attempts-to-rein-in-minicab-app-a3091106.html
And aren't both sides limited by the law, as upheld by the courts?
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There are very few doctors of any seniority who will ever trust Jeremy Hunt again whatever the outcome of this dispute.
His outright lies and deliberate mis-truths have been absolutely outrageous. |
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By *olgate OP Man
over a year ago
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"There were taxi drivers there from Brussels, Paris and Liverpool, they all said the same thing, one company is being allowed to (in some cities) flaunt regulations and laws that others are expected to stick to. I checked on the app today and the company that is being allowed break these Laws was charging a minimum fare of £28 + 4.8 times the normal price. It has been disclosed that the vehicles are uninsured and that drivers are not being checked in the same way as other private hire drivers. and where does the government interference come in
There is a company which is owned by Google that is being allowed to operate illegally, it does not comply with current private hire legislation. The head of PR for this company is Rachel Whetstone, godmother to David Cameron's kids and partner of Steve Hilton, ex head of communications for the Conservative party. In a request under the freedom of information Act the Mayor of London has had to admit to having secret meetings with Google and Uber last year which were not minuted. ok, I didn't make head nor tail of that bit. Why does it make a difference who the PR is would it be different if it was fred bloggstou asked about government pressure. The prime ministers best friends are directors of the company that is operating illegally and the government has put pressure on the licensing authority to ignore their illegal practices
I hate to spoil a good conspiracy theory, but aren't the elected politicians just doing what the electorate want:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/londoners-are-on-ubers-side-in-face-of-boris-johnsons-attempts-to-rein-in-minicab-app-a3091106.html
And aren't both sides limited by the law, as upheld by the courts?
Mr ddc"
In a word NO |
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" aren't the elected politicians just doing what the electorate want:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/londoners-are-on-ubers-side-in-face-of-boris-johnsons-attempts-to-rein-in-minicab-app-a3091106.html
And aren't both sides limited by the law, as upheld by the courts?
Mr ddc
In a word NO"
No to the first question, or the second? |
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Not surprised they didn't get much support. Weren't some of the Rotherham
child abusers taxi drivers? That's obviously why the council planned to put cameras in taxis! |
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"Not surprised they didn't get much support. Weren't some of the Rotherham
child abusers taxi drivers? That's obviously why the council planned to put cameras in taxis!"
So all taxi drivers are paedohiles and the only reason a camera would be in a cab would be to stop them abusing people?
Or am I missing something? |
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"Not surprised they didn't get much support. Weren't some of the Rotherham
child abusers taxi drivers? That's obviously why the council planned to put cameras in taxis!"
What a sweeping generalisation your making.
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"Not surprised they didn't get much support. Weren't some of the Rotherham
child abusers taxi drivers? That's obviously why the council planned to put cameras in taxis!
So all taxi drivers are paedohiles and the only reason a camera would be in a cab would be to stop them abusing people?
Or am I missing something?"
The cameras were apparently to protect the passengers and drivers. The issue was Rotherham council mandated a specific camera and storage of data that cost some ridiculous sum, about £800 all in if I remember correctly. The camera is no more advanced than a £35 dash cam.
It wasn't the cameras they were against. It was the price and the threat of loss of license if they didn't comply |
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"Not surprised they didn't get much support. Weren't some of the Rotherham
child abusers taxi drivers? That's obviously why the council planned to put cameras in taxis!
So all taxi drivers are paedohiles and the only reason a camera would be in a cab would be to stop them abusing people?
Or am I missing something?"
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No I'm not saying all taxi drivers are paedophiles, it's just that I remember reading at the time that some local taxi drivers were involved in the abuse. |
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By *olgate OP Man
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According to official police estimates which are normally on the low side, over 10,000 taxis turned up bringing the centre of London to a complete standstill. Two taxis ferried the NHS choir to various destinations during the day.
It was announced this morning by Jeremy Hunt that new contracts will be imposed on Junior doctors regardless. The BMA have hinted at more industrial action to follow |
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"According to official police estimates which are normally on the low side, over 10,000 taxis turned up bringing the centre of London to a complete standstill. Two taxis ferried the NHS choir to various destinations during the day.
It was announced this morning by Jeremy Hunt that new contracts will be imposed on Junior doctors regardless. The BMA have hinted at more industrial action to follow "
..... and mass emigration visa applications following that |
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David Cameron's best mate Rachel Whetstone works for Uber, her husband worked on Cameron's political campaign. George Osborn told our Tory Mayor Boris Johnson to "Leave Uber Alone" by the way he is mates with Rachel Whetstone also, even traveled the states with her and the Cameron's.
George Osborn allowed Google to pay peanuts of what they owe in UK corporation tax, he then gets flown out to the Google sponsored Super Bowl and enjoy's front row seats all for free and treated like a VIP.
It's been proven there were Secret Talks (where NO minutes were taken) between Deputy Mayor Isabel Dedring and Uber. Also, it seems our Deputy Mayor Isabel Dedring was part of the Garden Bridge planning stage more importantly WHICH construction company got the garden bridge contract (Arup). It seems she is now going to work for the very company the Mayor's office chose to build the Garden Bridge.
Apparently, Richard De Cani a senior official with TFL involved in awarding the contract to Arup, has now accepted a top position with them also.
The Cycle Super Highway is an obvious pathway for driverless cars, segregated roads created to keep cyclists from being hit by cars driven autonomously - Maybe even all provided by Google and Uber? It has been proven our government has already invested 20 million in driverless cars.
Could this be a jump too far?
Does anyone else feel that the honest working class heroes are being squeezed out to make way for those privileged few and their mates? |
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