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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So it appears the powers that be are considering the option of lowering the permissible amount of alcohol a person can consume and still legally drive a vehicle on England's roads.....
Good thing or Bad thing ?
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"It should be zero in my opinion.
A reduction is good but its not good enough."
It can't be zero. Your body naturally produces alcohol anyway, so there's always going to be a trace in your system. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People are still gonna drink drive what ever the law, it's the same as driving while on your mobile phone. Its "ok" till someone gets hurt."
True but with no law there's no way of addressing it.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Everyone's tolerance to alcohol is different, for instance my driving would be impaired after a pint of strong lager, some people it would take a lot more than that, but not many people admit to a low tolerance, so I would say zero alcohol before driving, and more education about driving the morning after too, and dispelling the myths about getting alcohol out of the system,would also go a ling way to saving lives |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It should be zero in my opinion.
A reduction is good but its not good enough.
It can't be zero. Your body naturally produces alcohol anyway, so there's always going to be a trace in your system. "
OK smart arse. Make it illegal to ingest alcohol and then drive a motor vehicle...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It should be zero in my opinion.
A reduction is good but its not good enough.
It can't be zero. Your body naturally produces alcohol anyway, so there's always going to be a trace in your system. "
That's true, but it's gonna be in such small amounts that all it would take is is a slight calibration of the machines and they could work out more or less how much above the typical range is in your body. |
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"I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway... "
 well apart from the I don't drink bit..... It's already happening in Scotland and I have noticed the folk I know who would maybe have had one drink are now not having any at all if they are driving |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway...
well apart from the I don't drink bit..... It's already happening in Scotland and I have noticed the folk I know who would maybe have had one drink are now not having any at all if they are driving "
Yeah it somehow seems a shame decent law abiding people end up victims of a deterrent campaign.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Everyone's tolerance to alcohol is different, for instance my driving would be impaired after a pint of strong lager, some people it would take a lot more than that, but not many people admit to a low tolerance, so I would say zero alcohol before driving, and more education about driving the morning after too, and dispelling the myths about getting alcohol out of the system,would also go a ling way to saving lives"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway...
well apart from the I don't drink bit..... It's already happening in Scotland and I have noticed the folk I know who would maybe have had one drink are now not having any at all if they are driving
Yeah it somehow seems a shame decent law abiding people end up victims of a deterrent campaign.... "
How are they ending up victims? |
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"I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway...
well apart from the I don't drink bit..... It's already happening in Scotland and I have noticed the folk I know who would maybe have had one drink are now not having any at all if they are driving
Yeah it somehow seems a shame decent law abiding people end up victims of a deterrent campaign.... "
Sadly I agree that the folk who do drink and drive without thoughts for the consequences will probably carry on doing so |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway...
well apart from the I don't drink bit..... It's already happening in Scotland and I have noticed the folk I know who would maybe have had one drink are now not having any at all if they are driving
Yeah it somehow seems a shame decent law abiding people end up victims of a deterrent campaign....
How are they ending up victims?"
they might want to lower the prices of non alcoholic drinks then some of these drinks drivers might think twice just saying |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway...
well apart from the I don't drink bit..... It's already happening in Scotland and I have noticed the folk I know who would maybe have had one drink are now not having any at all if they are driving
Yeah it somehow seems a shame decent law abiding people end up victims of a deterrent campaign....
How are they ending up victims?"
By having a restriction placed on their behaviour which doesn't represent an acknowledgment of their previous adherence to the present laws.....
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Zero tolerance. Yes I know there will always be trace alcohol in your system but that trace is too small to register in a breath meter so zero on the meter equals zero.
I always go with 12 hours from bottle to throttle. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It should be zero in my opinion.
A reduction is good but its not good enough."
I agree. No drink if you are driving, it would be clear to everyone then. |
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"Was a pub manager for many year,s the police are very lenient with it many of my customer,s were well over "
Did you willingly continue to sell them alcohol knowing they were driving after they had left your pub?  |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"Zero tolerance. Yes I know there will always be trace alcohol in your system but that trace is too small to register in a breath meter so zero on the meter equals zero.
I always go with 12 hours from bottle to throttle. "
This is good example of why zero legal limit doesn't work
There would still be a registerable amount of alcohol in your blood after 12 hours
And some medicines have alcohol . Mouthwash |
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I haven't read the rest of the replies.
It should be zero tolerance and more awareness on driving the morning after which alcohol in your stream.
If you want to be responsible for a car you don't drink. Noone needs to drink. |
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"I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway...
well apart from the I don't drink bit..... It's already happening in Scotland and I have noticed the folk I know who would maybe have had one drink are now not having any at all if they are driving
Yeah it somehow seems a shame decent law abiding people end up victims of a deterrent campaign.... "
victims of what? Noone is stopping them having a drink, there just being stopped using a car. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway...
well apart from the I don't drink bit..... It's already happening in Scotland and I have noticed the folk I know who would maybe have had one drink are now not having any at all if they are driving
Yeah it somehow seems a shame decent law abiding people end up victims of a deterrent campaign.... victims of what? Noone is stopping them having a drink, there just being stopped using a car."
People who presently abide by the law will have their freedom of choice restricted.......
I'd call that being an victim of circumstance.....
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If I'm driving I drink no alcohol whatsoever.
The notion that there is a point at which drinking can impact your driving beyond a 'reasonable' level is nonsense to me.
Alcohol with driving is unreasonable to me at any level. |
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"I don't drink.....
and I'm in favour of any initiative that makes the roads safer....
But unless stricter punishments are introduced alongside any new reduction in permissible allowances we risk creating a state of affairs where once again its the innocent law abiding member of public who has their freedom of choice taken away because of the actions of selfish bastards who don't and won't abide by the law anyway...
well apart from the I don't drink bit..... It's already happening in Scotland and I have noticed the folk I know who would maybe have had one drink are now not having any at all if they are driving
Yeah it somehow seems a shame decent law abiding people end up victims of a deterrent campaign.... victims of what? Noone is stopping them having a drink, there just being stopped using a car.
People who presently abide by the law will have their freedom of choice restricted.......
I'd call that being an victim of circumstance.....
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we all get freedom of choice restricted in one way or another but I really can't see what difference it will make to them ordering a non alcoholic drink to an alcoholic drink of there only having one to start with
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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You can't legislate a solution that stops criminal behaviour no matter how restrictive the conditions of that legislation are applied on the law abiding element of society .....
People who ignore the law cause the problems ...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I dunno I'm a bit errr!
So there reducing from about 2 pints of standard strength beer to a half?.. Is that about right.
Will that make any difference, probably not in reality, I'd guess that most drink driving accidents are caused by excessive speeding as a contributory factor, alcohol has the effect of ruining judgement, how much the effect of one pint at 25 mph is probably not great but at 35-40 it's probably alot more.
I think it's about time we just tagged cars speed limits to road limits.... I think you'd get a huge amount more life's saved than tinkering with alcohol limits.
The vast majority of teenage accidents, motorway accidents are caused by excessive speed and while we're at it, it's probably worth reducing country lanes to 40 mph instead of the ludicrous 60mph |
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"I think it's probably right as it is. We should focus limited police resources on bad and dangerous driving in general which is much more devastating to road safety overall."
I have seen some very detailed test results of driving ( body motor skills , reasoning ability and reaction times,) for a very wide range of levels of alcohol and drugs.
Whilst any alcohol affects driving ability; there is a very marked difference between the effects of 0.5 and 0.8.
If I remember correctly, on average, someone with 0.8 is 3 or 4 times more impaired than someone with 0.5.
That does not mean that 0.5 is " good" but it is markedly better than 0.8.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don't drink and drive easy really not even half a pint. I'm an HGV driver and seen the mess drink driving can do.
Should be as low as possible so you have to be on soft drinks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Don't drink and drive easy really not even half a pint. I'm an HGV driver and seen the mess drink driving can do.
Should be as low as possible so you have to be on soft drinks."
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Yeah I understand what you saying but I've spent a lifetime drinking a pint or two and driving and I've never had an accident at all or a speeding ticket.
Having said that I wouldn't entertain driving on a motorway after a pint.
I guess it's just the fact that some tit always indulges to much and ruins it for everybody else |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you go for s drink in a pub then don't drive home simples, you can have a couple of pints of shorts at night say before 10pm and be OK to drive the next day so I don't see a problem with lowering the limit.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"It should be zero in my opinion.
A reduction is good but its not good enough.
It can't be zero. Your body naturally produces alcohol anyway, so there's always going to be a trace in your system.
OK smart arse. Make it illegal to ingest alcohol and then drive a motor vehicle... "
you can't.... because for example a lot of medicines have a tiny bit of alcohol in them... (for example lot of cough, cold/flu and throat sprays)...... 
I'd be all for lowering the limit to the same in scotland...... in fact i think it should go down as far as sweden which is 0.04..... |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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I'm going against popular opinion and my opinion is that it's a bad thing. My reasoning is that a lower limit will result in more people being labelled as criminals, people will be discouraged from visiting pubs (which are already suffering from a lack of trade) and it will lead to an increased number of court cases and possibly imprisonment.
I don't think it will reduce drink drive related incidents either as those who are stupid/reckless enough to get behind the wheel intoxicated will continue to do so. Also my opinion is that a lowered limit sort of insults a competent motorists intelligence and ability and judgement.
Having said all that I would support a lowered limit for younger drivers who are on Probation Period. |
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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago
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"People are still gonna drink drive what ever the law, it's the same as driving while on your mobile phone. Its "ok" till someone gets hurt."
agree i still see loads on mobs behing the wheel, i think drink drive limit stay the same, when i go out to town i get a taxi, or drink local, on occasions i may have a meal and a couple of drinks, i was very annoyed with a friend a few weeks ago i stuck to me limit of max 2 pints ive been tested a few times,and have been under, she came back from the bar,i had 2 pints so was going on s, she said i put a barcardi in it, i had a few choice words, its not them who gets banned and pays the fine, a lot who drink drive are well over anyway
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Alcohol is also present on food and in some medicines railway staff in safety critical roles are forbidden from working for 12 hours after taking night nurse or similar ."
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My sisters puddings nearly always contain alot of brandy |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People are still gonna drink drive what ever the law, it's the same as driving while on your mobile phone. Its "ok" till someone gets hurt. True but with no law there's no way of addressing it. "
There is a law, it's points and a fine. While in favour of a lower limit, I think focusing on phone use would be far more beneficial for road safety certainly in the longterm. And I'd rather see harsher penalties for those well over or repeat offenders than lowering the limit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Was a pub manager for many year,s the police are very lenient with it many of my customer,s were well over "
So you knew that they were drink driving and turned a blind eye? Do pub landlords not have a responsibility if not legal then certainly moral to stop people drink driving? Were you happy to be complicit - what if they'd killed someone in their way home? |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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"People are still gonna drink drive what ever the law, it's the same as driving while on your mobile phone. Its "ok" till someone gets hurt. True but with no law there's no way of addressing it.
There is a law, it's points and a fine. While in favour of a lower limit, I think focusing on phone use would be far more beneficial for road safety certainly in the longterm. And I'd rather see harsher penalties for those well over or repeat offenders than lowering the limit."
Absolutely. How many have their licences taken away and are still caught time and time again continuing to drive? It happens over and over and all they get is another slap on the wrist and their licence taken for longer.
Why would they care when they're happy to drive with no licence or insurance?! |
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"So it appears the powers that be are considering the option of lowering the permissible amount of alcohol a person can consume and still legally drive a vehicle on England's roads.....
Good thing or Bad thing ?
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Personally, since it appears to have had 'demonstrable benefits' in Scotland, we would be foolish not to consider it.
There is evidence of a big impact on pub closures, but I have always felt ripped off paying a publican more for a 'cola' than he would get from a beer (exc tax),
Besides, it's nice to think the next generation would rather get home to their families than the pub.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think zero tolerance. Police have so much more anpr cameras everywhere now and everything is not like it was 10 years ago when you got a producer. Now everything is on file so those driving with no license or insurance can be caught much easier.
I think the penalty for drink driving, even only slightly over the limit, should be an indefinite loss of license. Yes, it won't stop those who get smashed and drive anyway but it might deter those who think 'surely one won't hurt'.
Maybe this sounds like a crazy idea but 10 years ago I lost a friend who had just turned 21 to a drink driver, on Christmas Eve. The d*unk driver survived. My friends family has to live with that loss every Christmas, so I have a little grudge against it. |
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"this will only affect the sensible people,who will obey the law
as the few drink drivers will still flout the law. "
It cannot affect those who obey the law. They won't be arrested as they will have obeyed the law.
In Scotland it had an immediate effect and stopped people driving after even one drink.
That some people don't care about the law does not mean that the law should not change. Currently many people who are responsible enough think it is OK to drive after one pint of beer. This new law makes it unambiguously clear that it is not ok. |
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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago
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the one thing that annoys me, soft drinks tend to be more expensive than lager,it takes the piss when i can buy a liter of pepsi etc for about a quid in supermarket,one pub i was in charged 2 quid for a glass of cola about half pint , a pint of lager was 3 quid |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Myself and my friends have always done the designated driver, everyone else can have a beer, thing, so from my point of view lowering the limit wouldn't be an issue and only a good thing.
I don't know of any drink drivers persay, however I do know some people who think it's OK to have a skinfull in the evening and then think it's fine to drive to work 6 or 8 hours later. That's the kind of thing that annoys me |
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By *oxymTV/TS
over a year ago
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Zero is impossible
You would have to cut everything out that contains alcohol
Like perfume aftershave
Certain foods ect
I'd say lower it to no drinks but tolerate acceptable amounts according to size and weight |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It should be zero in my opinion.
A reduction is good but its not good enough.
It can't be zero. Your body naturally produces alcohol anyway, so there's always going to be a trace in your system.
OK smart arse. Make it illegal to ingest alcohol and then drive a motor vehicle...
you can't.... because for example a lot of medicines have a tiny bit of alcohol in them... (for example lot of cough, cold/flu and throat sprays)......
I'd be all for lowering the limit to the same in scotland...... in fact i think it should go down as far as sweden which is 0.04..... "
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Out of curiosity though, what's the penalty in these foreign countries for being over the limit, do they still give automatic bans or is it incremental fines? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Quick scan of wiki shows France doesn't actually revoke licences until 80 mg .. Which is the same as here but they have incremental fines from 30mg
Sweden and Norway which is around one of the strictest apply differences to new drivers but again the start is low but only fined and licence revoking starts at around 0.05%.
Scandinavian countries are apparently tougher because of they're tough winter driving conditions and the fact they like getting pissed during dark winter months |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Make driving after consuming alcohol into a charge of attempted manslaughter, see who gets a taxi then "
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Why stop there! Just behead them, that's what they do in Saudi and they have no drink drive problems!
Ahh there's the problem, none of them drink and yet there accident rate is worse than ours!!!
It's like there's a common problem other than somebody drinking a pint mmmm  |
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I think it's fine where it is.
The people who cause problems through being DUI are always way over the limit, so lowering it is not going to deter them.
2 pints of 5% d*unk over a couple of hours, is fine for a typical grown male.
People are more impaired through tiredness, illness and prescription medicines than a very moderate drink.
Of course everyone's tolerance and ability is different, but we have to set a limit somewhere, and I think the current one is about right. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If anyone here says it's a bad thing...id be both shocked, dissapointed, and defiantly putting on our blacklist for future reference!"
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Well that's sorted, I'd have wanted a pint after driving there anyhow |
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"Where driving is concerned, zero is a very good limit"
But as stated above, zero won't work. Mouthwash, cough medicines etc all have small amounts of ethanol in them.
What if you had a modest half bottle of wine, with a meal, then a good 8 hours sleep, and then rinsed with mouthwash the next morning. You'd fail the breath trest, so get blood tested and fail that from the residual from last night's wine.
So there has to be a level set, the argument is purely what that level is. |
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"Why doesn't the Govt or authorities look at how other countries work with Zero alcohol limits and see how they implement them?"
There is no such thing, they just have a very small limit, sufficient to allow for things like mouthwash and cough medicine, and for naturally produced ethanol, but insufficient, in their judgement, to cause any impairment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it would be much more efficent to just ban wankers..
There wankers d*unk or sober.. You see them every day, there the type of people that accelerate away from junctions like lunatics in first gear to 30 mph down town centre roads or busy residential streets, they over take the car in front even in a 3 mile line of traffic,constantly hopping one car up and six miles down the road, they've made it 7 cars up from you!.
They travel 50 feet from your bumper on motorways when it's pouring down as if to say.. I'm leaving the gap  .
They squeeze past cyclists leaving 3inchs of space as if to say I know the size of my car but then can't parallel park to save there life's!.
There wankers and unfortunately we all get dragged down with them because frankly I've drank two pints and drove many many times, completely incident free... Mainly because I don't drive like a wanker in the first place.
Sadly in society were not dragging them up but the opposite.
If you really wanna make people not drive like wankers... Try putting nitroglycerin in every front bumper, I guarantee most of them will change but I also guarantee that 5% will blow themselves up in the first week  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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People are more impaired through tiredness, illness and prescription medicines than a very moderate drink.
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Very true, More people I know have been involved in accidents, both at work or in a couple of cases while driving, due to tiredness or in one particularly instance having a reaction to a medicine that they have taken numerous times, than due to drink driving.
Does make you wonder if there is a figure for accidents due to tiredness floating around somewhere |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Why doesn't the Govt or authorities look at how other countries work with Zero alcohol limits and see how they implement them?
There is no such thing, they just have a very small limit, sufficient to allow for things like mouthwash and cough medicine, and for naturally produced ethanol, but insufficient, in their judgement, to cause any impairment."
I don't know the technicalities of how it is measured and enforced for people who use a mouthwash, but in Germany, the limit is zero for new drivers with less than two years experience or for drivers under the age of 21. It is also zero for bus and truck drivers |
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"Why doesn't the Govt or authorities look at how other countries work with Zero alcohol limits and see how they implement them?
There is no such thing, they just have a very small limit, sufficient to allow for things like mouthwash and cough medicine, and for naturally produced ethanol, but insufficient, in their judgement, to cause any impairment.
I don't know the technicalities of how it is measured and enforced for people who use a mouthwash, but in Germany, the limit is zero for new drivers with less than two years experience or for drivers under the age of 21. It is also zero for bus and truck drivers"
It's only zero to one decimal place in grammes per litre, thus the limit is set at 0.099999 grammes per litre, i.e., less than 1/10th g/L - but there's still an actual limit. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Why doesn't the Govt or authorities look at how other countries work with Zero alcohol limits and see how they implement them?
There is no such thing, they just have a very small limit, sufficient to allow for things like mouthwash and cough medicine, and for naturally produced ethanol, but insufficient, in their judgement, to cause any impairment.
I don't know the technicalities of how it is measured and enforced for people who use a mouthwash, but in Germany, the limit is zero for new drivers with less than two years experience or for drivers under the age of 21. It is also zero for bus and truck drivers
It's only zero to one decimal place in grammes per litre, thus the limit is set at 0.099999 grammes per litre, i.e., less than 1/10th g/L - but there's still an actual limit."
How many glasses of wine or litres of beer does that equate to? |
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"Why doesn't the Govt or authorities look at how other countries work with Zero alcohol limits and see how they implement them?
There is no such thing, they just have a very small limit, sufficient to allow for things like mouthwash and cough medicine, and for naturally produced ethanol, but insufficient, in their judgement, to cause any impairment.
I don't know the technicalities of how it is measured and enforced for people who use a mouthwash, but in Germany, the limit is zero for new drivers with less than two years experience or for drivers under the age of 21. It is also zero for bus and truck drivers"
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It's 0.05% for everybody else, which in reality is the same as Scotland, however you only lose your licence for a month in Germany instead of 12 months here |
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How many glasses of wine or litres of beer does that equate to?"
Who knows - it depends on the person and the timeframe, but presumably it's been set so you can have 3 or 4 pints of 5% beer the night before and be under the limit after 8 hours sleep, or something along those lines |
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"Reducing it to zero sounds sensible. "
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Funnily enough the only European country I could find with a zero limit for the general population is.... Romania, they also jail tiu for between 1 and 4 years!.
Welcome to romania |
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It's 0.05% for everybody else, which in reality is the same as Scotland, however you only lose your licence for a month in Germany instead of 12 months here"
No it's 0.5 g/L, which with a density of 1 (which is not exact) would give a blood percentage of 0.0005%
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Why doesn't the Govt or authorities look at how other countries work with Zero alcohol limits and see how they implement them?
There is no such thing, they just have a very small limit, sufficient to allow for things like mouthwash and cough medicine, and for naturally produced ethanol, but insufficient, in their judgement, to cause any impairment.
I don't know the technicalities of how it is measured and enforced for people who use a mouthwash, but in Germany, the limit is zero for new drivers with less than two years experience or for drivers under the age of 21. It is also zero for bus and truck drivers.
It's 0.05% for everybody else, which in reality is the same as Scotland, however you only lose your licence for a month in Germany instead of 12 months here"
Unless in Germany, one is involved in an RTA and then the limit is lowered to 0.03%. Over 0.11% and the licence is withdrawn for atleast 6 months and usually for one year |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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How many glasses of wine or litres of beer does that equate to?
Who knows - it depends on the person and the timeframe, but presumably it's been set so you can have 3 or 4 pints of 5% beer the night before and be under the limit after 8 hours sleep, or something along those lines"
With 3 or 4 pints of beer, I won't be able to walk after 8 hours, let alone drive |
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I was reading that there is someone in the UK that will always failing a breath test and get away with it.
The person's body turns food into yeast, with then somehow metabolized into a blood alcohol level. |
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"So it appears the powers that be are considering the option of lowering the permissible amount of alcohol a person can consume and still legally drive a vehicle on England's roads.....
Good thing or Bad thing ?
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I would have thought nothing of having a couple of pints before the change in Scotland. Now I won't drink at all. Definitely a good thing. You can have our drink drive limit if we can have your single carriageway 50mpg HGV limit!!
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"Make driving after consuming alcohol into a charge of attempted manslaughter, see who gets a taxi then .
Why stop there! Just behead them, that's what they do in Saudi and they have no drink drive problems!
Ahh there's the problem, none of them drink and yet there accident rate is worse than ours!!!
It's like there's a common problem other than somebody drinking a pint mmmm "
Attempted manslaughter is impossible. Manslaughter is itself used to describe unintentional killing through recklessness. Therefore attempting it would mean it was not unintentional.
Thus attempted murder by your reckoning. But that assumes intent to kill which although over the alcohol limit is still not necessarily the case. Therefore it is causing death by dangerous driving or causing death through reckless driving, both of which are already charges used. |
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"Make driving after consuming alcohol into a charge of attempted manslaughter, see who gets a taxi then .
Why stop there! Just behead them, that's what they do in Saudi and they have no drink drive problems!
Ahh there's the problem, none of them drink and yet there accident rate is worse than ours!!!
It's like there's a common problem other than somebody drinking a pint mmmm
Attempted manslaughter is impossible. Manslaughter is itself used to describe unintentional killing through recklessness. Therefore attempting it would mean it was not unintentional.
Thus attempted murder by your reckoning. But that assumes intent to kill which although over the alcohol limit is still not necessarily the case. Therefore it is causing death by dangerous driving or causing death through reckless driving, both of which are already charges used."
Drinking in la great 90s tune lol
Statistically drink walking home is even more dangerous than drink driving home. Go figure |
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I was amazed by the results of the drug driving campaign last month, about a 50% failure rate:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12124735/Hundreds-of-drug-drivers-snared-by-police-roadside-test-campaign-police-reveal.html
Kinda puts the whole drink driving thing into perspective. |
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"Make driving after consuming alcohol into a charge of attempted manslaughter, see who gets a taxi then .
Why stop there! Just behead them, that's what they do in Saudi and they have no drink drive problems!
Ahh there's the problem, none of them drink and yet there accident rate is worse than ours!!!
It's like there's a common problem other than somebody drinking a pint mmmm
Attempted manslaughter is impossible. Manslaughter is itself used to describe unintentional killing through recklessness. Therefore attempting it would mean it was not unintentional.
Thus attempted murder by your reckoning. But that assumes intent to kill which although over the alcohol limit is still not necessarily the case. Therefore it is causing death by dangerous driving or causing death through reckless driving, both of which are already charges used.
Drinking in la great 90s tune lol
Statistically drink walking home is even more dangerous than drink driving home. Go figure "
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Yeah like I said, you wanna save people, limit cars to actual speed limits of roads!...
You know what all those non drinkers will now say... Ah but!.
The real question should be... Do we really have a severe problem from people driving home after a pint?.
I would argue we don't
I'd argue the severe problem is alcohol but again I've got d*unk all my life... Never lost a job, never beat my wife, never missed my kids party's, never beat somebody to death while intoxicated...
The problem isn't limits or alcohol or whatever you wanna do.
The problem is a certain percentage of society are just dicks, there morons, there idiots, there work shy cunts, they stand next to bins yet throw their rubbish on the floor...
No amount of legislation can help these people!....
The answer so far, has been to legislate everybody for 3% of the population....
Have no fear, when I own my own island, I'm only letting in Cardigan wearer's and people who just know when to do the sensible thing without thinking mmmm what does the law say! |
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