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By *aneandpaul OP Couple over a year ago

cleveleys

Do you want them in our country they all look like yobs all young fit healthy men

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

ALL look like yobs?

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By *olgateMan over a year ago

on the road to nowhere in particular

One of the big charities has pulled out of sangatte claiming a large proportion are not genuine asylum seekers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Most just trying to make a better life for themselves , will always have bad ones . I will not judge , have seen where they have come from , it's not good

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By *adysilkCouple over a year ago

birmingham

they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

EVERYBODY PANIC THE FOREIGNERS ARE COMING!!!!!!!!

I would say unless you have seen something with your own eyes, take what the papers say with a pinch of salt, they have made swinger out to be sick perverts in the past, and don't get me started with the image they like to paint of the bdsm community.

They have one aim, to sell papers, they say "the public have a right to know" what they mean is we want the public to give them their money.

So calm down everyone, its not the end of the world

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By *adysilkCouple over a year ago

birmingham

TV camera dont lie do they and we have a right to be worried who knows whats going to happen France thought it was the end of the world when they got attacked hope your not around when its happens

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england "

It's not as simple as that.

But I don't have several hours to explain it.

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

Oh, and TV cameras do lie; massively.

Do you think you are seeing everything? Of course not, you are seeing a few selected seconds of footage.

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By *adysilkCouple over a year ago

birmingham

well I really hope your right

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh, and TV cameras do lie; massively.

Do you think you are seeing everything? Of course not, you are seeing a few selected seconds of footage.

Oh so true ! Unless you were at the scene none of us know . Hold judgement please

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england "

It's a completely different situation. Completely.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you want them in our country they all look like yobs all young fit healthy men"

Don't care if they come over or not. As long as they speak good understandable English. Get a job and pay tax and ni and not be able to claim benefits and get a council house / flat.

No wonder they put tax up on sugar if we have to for migrants x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england "

Fight for their Country ? Who said they were from Syria ?, and I they are who should they Fight for Assad or ISIL ?

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By *errygTV/TS over a year ago

denton

"Oh, and TV cameras do lie; massively.

Do you think you are seeing everything? Of course not, you are seeing a few selected seconds of footage.

Oh so true ! Unless you were at the scene none of us know . Hold judgement please "
when they film they will only show what they want you see,when they inter_iew people on camera only show people who say what they agree with

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The only way to stop the craziness is to now adopt Australian policy of military boats intercepting them unloading the boat, machine gunning it, then dropping them back off on the shore they left from.

After a few months the word will filter back that it's not worth trying to cross.

Then you really really have to look at improving the countries these people are fleeing from, because quite frankly in the 21st century the likes of Afghanistan and Eritrea aren't really acceptable

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"ALL look like yobs?"

To some eyes undoubtedly so. In the same way all Muslims are extremists and terrorists. Thankfully many people see beyond sweeping generalisations and stereotypes

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

I pick up a dutch lorry driver and take him to his freinds place, when he parks up overnite on occasion. He tells me some hair raising stories about them. Bricks thrown at cab windows or pallets thrown in the road to slow lorries down, so they can attempt to get on......this happens on the motorway on the way in to calais.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am curious why England ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am curious why England ?"

Because they get money and houses for doing nothing. X

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By *onnybag69Man over a year ago

Manchester

I'm all for shoot to kill lets get rid of them for good

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a question I always ask if you were so scared for your life you would be happy anywhere why do they chose to travel miles to the uk?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am curious why England ?

Because they get money and houses for doing nothing. X"

I'm not rasist at all just makes my blood boil when there is people who have been to war, lost limbs,left loved ones for months, missed important things in lifes such as childs birth and 1St words ect and Stood up for this country who are homeless and pennyless.

There is old people with out enough money to buy gas and electric.

Shouldn't we be helping these people instead!!!!

If migrants came over and got a job to survive then fair enough let them come over.

If we went over there we would probably get shot. X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This country is on it's arse the way we treat our elderly and our public servants ie nurses, police, fire, prisons, army is a joke. The government this year upped foreign aid and it's worth adding it's a protected dividend in the economy yet we shut down schools prisons hospitals mental health facilities we privatise healthcare and elderly services why is that right and how is that fair.?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This country is on it's arse the way we treat our elderly and our public servants ie nurses, police, fire, prisons, army is a joke. The government this year upped foreign aid and it's worth adding it's a protected dividend in the economy yet we shut down schools prisons hospitals mental health facilities we privatise healthcare and elderly services why is that right and how is that fair.?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My _iews to some May seem extreme of far right but it's about time this government looked at the heart of this nations problems and addressing them before opening up another can of worms with any other countries.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My _iews to some May seem extreme of far right but it's about time this government looked at the heart of this nations problems and addressing them before opening up another can of worms with any other countries."

If they get a job to support themselves and their families fair enough let them come in. X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If they get a job to support themselves and their families fair enough let them come in. X"

Aside from that what about looking after our most vulnerable first putting the issues that are crippling this country at the forefront of their mandate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am curious why England ?

Because they get money and houses for doing nothing. X

There is old people with out enough money to buy gas and electric.

Shouldn't we be helping these people instead!!!!

If migrants came over and got a job to survive then fair enough let them come over.

If we went over there we would probably get shot. X"

So can we put you down for a senior citizen coming round for dinner twice a week and an ex servicemen on your sofa till he gets in his feet?

It's all well and good letting your blood boil about this stuff, but what are you personally doing about it? Why not get activelyinvokved in helping the people you mentioned that way you can choose who you help, and before you ask, my elderly neighbour had Sunday lunch with us for 6 months before he sadly passed away, he loved coming round as much as we loved having him, even though he didn't like the way I did the gravy , it wasn't as good as his late wife's

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you want them in our country they all look like yobs all young fit healthy men"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am curious why England ?

Because they get money and houses for doing nothing. X

There is old people with out enough money to buy gas and electric.

Shouldn't we be helping these people instead!!!!

If migrants came over and got a job to survive then fair enough let them come over.

If we went over there we would probably get shot. X

So can we put you down for a senior citizen coming round for dinner twice a week and an ex servicemen on your sofa till he gets in his feet?

That's just it if the government wasn't paying for emigrats to come over there would be more money to pay for home help and homes for the people who need it over here. X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england "

yes

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

Where is Callie?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england "

Thought Muslims and Sikhs fought for Britain during the second world war......

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england

Thought Muslims and Sikhs fought for Britain during the second world war......

And the Gurkhas

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By *oyce69Man over a year ago

Driffield

"Where is Callie?"

It was short for the Caledonian Road when I was a lad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england

Thought Muslims and Sikhs fought for Britain during the second world war......

And the Gurkhas "

Yep

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread. "

Won't be long

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england

Thought Muslims and Sikhs fought for Britain during the second world war......

And the Gurkhas "

the above and other's gave their young men who shed their blood for this country in both world wars..

think many on here who are under an illusion it was just 'English men' take a trip to the (far too many) Commonwealth war graves in France and Belgium..

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england

Thought Muslims and Sikhs fought for Britain during the second world war......

And the Gurkhas

Yep

But people forget about that...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am curious why England ?

Because they get money and houses for doing nothing. X

There is old people with out enough money to buy gas and electric.

Shouldn't we be helping these people instead!!!!

If migrants came over and got a job to survive then fair enough let them come over.

If we went over there we would probably get shot. X

So can we put you down for a senior citizen coming round for dinner twice a week and an ex servicemen on your sofa till he gets in his feet?

That's just it if the government wasn't paying for emigrats to come over there would be more money to pay for home help and homes for the people who need it over here. X"

are the government paying for them to come over, or are they hiding on lorries? There was a case a few months back where one if my friends kids was coming.g back from a school trip so I gave him a lift round to get her, when the coach pulled up two young men gust drooped from under the coach, one of witch looked half dead, I've never seen another human being look so terrified, and amidstthe calls from some of the parents to kick the shit out if him the only other sound was him sobbing.

I would struggle on a coach from dover to Birmingham if I was on a seat inside the coach, let line holding on underneath it.

personal I blame the right wing groups, they spread rumours about getting houses and loads of benefits and it gets back to calais and they jump at the chance

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I'd like to just put a point across to those that think asylum seekers are entitled to benefits and social housing....Ermmm they are not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am curious why England ?

Because they get money and houses for doing nothing. X

There is old people with out enough money to buy gas and electric.

Shouldn't we be helping these people instead!!!!

If migrants came over and got a job to survive then fair enough let them come over.

If we went over there we would probably get shot. X

So can we put you down for a senior citizen coming round for dinner twice a week and an ex servicemen on your sofa till he gets in his feet?

That's just it if the government wasn't paying for emigrats to come over there would be more money to pay for home help and homes for the people who need it over here. X

I would struggle on a coach from dover to Birmingham if I was on a seat inside the coach, let line holding on underneath it.

personal I blame the right wing groups, they spread rumours about getting houses and loads of benefits and it gets back to calais and they jump at the chance"

That's wrong they shouldn't be attacked when they get over here but our so called government should encourage them over to come over here x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england "

Well said. What kind of man leaves hes family behind. Id stay to protect them. Rather die the abandon my family

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like to just put a point across to those that think asylum seekers are entitled to benefits and social housing....Ermmm they are not. "

So what do they eat? How do they pay rent etc?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I'd like to just put a point across to those that think asylum seekers are entitled to benefits and social housing....Ermmm they are not.

So what do they eat? How do they pay rent etc? "

It's called NASS accommodation which every country that accepts asylum seekers have to provide its not just the UK. Asylum seekers are not entitled to work, claim benefits or access social accommodation until their claim is processed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If were all honest the worries aren't about overcrowding in the hospitals or schools, or even housing, everyone is just worried that there will be a Sharp increase in single males on fab LOL

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd like to just put a point across to those that think asylum seekers are entitled to benefits and social housing....Ermmm they are not.

So what do they eat? How do they pay rent etc? "

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If were all honest the worries aren't about overcrowding in the hospitals or schools, or even housing, everyone is just worried that there will be a Sharp increase in single males on fab LOL

Good job single males are blocked on mine lol x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Here's an idea!.

What if government got out of the "helping people business".

And we just let charity's do the helping...

Then everybody would be free to spend as much of their personal time or money helping out whoever they choose!

Personally i do alot for old sailors

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Someone is paying for it well twice in fact through foreign aid and now the further strain the migrants are pulling on our front line services healthcare doctors schools housing the list goes on the country is on it's knees and breaking point is nearly upon us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Someone is paying for it well twice in fact through foreign aid and now the further strain the migrants are pulling on our front line services healthcare doctors schools housing the list goes on the country is on it's knees and breaking point is nearly upon us."

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england

Well said. What kind of man leaves hes family behind. Id stay to protect them. Rather die the abandon my family "

what makes you think they all have families and that they all come from area's where conflict is ongoing..

here's a choice assuming some are from Syria, which side do they join?

The IS to oppose Assad, the 'free Syrian army' to oppose Assad, Assad's forces to oppose either of the above or the other lot think they're called Al Qaeda?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Here's an idea!.

What if government got out of the "helping people business".

And we just let charity's do the helping...

Then everybody would be free to spend as much of their personal time or money helping out whoever they choose!

Personally i do alot for old sailors

Since when has the government been in the helping people business lol

And there's a joke there about crusty seamen, but its beneath me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am curious why England ?

Because they get money and houses for doing nothing. X"
So do a lot of English people...they milk it more than the foreigners and its the ones shouting the loudest about immigration that are screwing benefits themselves

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

There are honestly people who believe this.

The minimal strain caused by offering distressed people basic humanitarian support is an economic irrelevance.

The reason so much of our societal infrastructure is at breaking point is down to the chronic mismanagement and ideological butchery of the government since 2010. Immigrants and asylum seekers have nothing to do with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am curious why England ?

Because they get money and houses for doing nothing. XSo do a lot of English people...they milk it more than the foreigners and its the ones shouting the loudest about immigration that are screwing benefits themselves"

I agree that English people do it aswell but their families have worked payed into this country.

I work full time and have been on benefits before.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am not talking about benefits I am asking a question that's all I have worked since 12 and I work for this amazing government so I am far from a benefits cheat I have never claimed a penny. And I pay for my own healthcare

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By *adysilkCouple over a year ago

birmingham

yes the probably did fight in the war for england now the people need to fight to get there own country right why do we have to do everything for everyone else

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help."

Australia and its immigration policy is a joke, ask the aborigines.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

Australia and its immigration policy is a joke, ask the aborigines."
That is right. I mean more the passport control and things you know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do you want them in our country they all look like yobs all young fit healthy men"

what difference does it make if they are young fit men? They are not coming from a place where only the old and disabled are at risk, every body is at risk. Have you considered what they are coming from?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's the hard stance on matters that affect venerable people in this country and the can't do enough for other causes that makes me sick. We are shutting hospitals cancer wards elderly care homes mental health wards people are dying daily from these cut backs why does no one give a fuck about that? What isn't that all over the news every time an elderly person dies because there isn't enough care for them or when a mentally ill person who should be looked after harms or takes their own life or someone else's? Why are we dealing with this why aren't people outraged about this? Why aren't we demonstration about these issues or do we just not give a shit ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread. "

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

Brilliant. And this is not sarcasm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits "
Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

That's not all off them you can't assume they all like that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

indeed! endless sniping about immigrants is somewhat ridiculous!

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By *orneyashell87Couple over a year ago

stockotn on tees

They want to come to England but yet abuse English drivers. My dad is a lorry driver and the abuse they receive from the jungle camp at calli is appalling. Maybe act differently and ppl would have more sympathy xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's the hard stance on matters that affect venerable people in this country and the can't do enough for other causes that makes me sick. We are shutting hospitals cancer wards elderly care homes mental health wards people are dying daily from these cut backs why does no one give a fuck about that? What isn't that all over the news every time an elderly person dies because there isn't enough care for them or when a mentally ill person who should be looked after harms or takes their own life or someone else's? Why are we dealing with this why aren't people outraged about this? Why aren't we demonstration about these issues or do we just not give a shit ?"

People do give a shit, just not enough to leave their comfortable little bubble and do something about it

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think."

I can compare because a lot are coming through the legal way I think you need to rethink your statement but that's your call not mine...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh, and TV cameras do lie; massively.

Do you think you are seeing everything? Of course not, you are seeing a few selected seconds of footage.

There are multiple videos made by the migrants themsleves on thier camera phones as theh rush through cheering and shouting....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

I have also read articles on the Mail about pissed up British People going to Spain and performing sex acts in public places. Taking your analogy (and source), should Spain ban all Brit's, who aren't running from a war torn home, from going to their country?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think.

I can compare because a lot are coming through the legal way I think you need to rethink your statement but that's your call not mine..."
Yes u can have your _iew and I can have mine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People do give a shit, just not enough to leave their comfortable little bubble and do something about it "

It's is a disgrace this country and the fact people die daily due to the cuts to valuable services it makes me sick.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The mayor of Cologne has summoned police for crisis talks after about 80 women reported sexual assaults and muggings by men on New Year's Eve.

The scale of the attacks on women at the city's central railway station has shocked Germany. About 1,000 d*unk and aggressive young men were involved.

City police chief Wolfgang Albers called it "a completely new dimension of crime". The men were of Arab or North African appearance, he said.

Women were also targeted in Hamburg.

But the Cologne assaults - near the city's iconic cathedral - were the most serious, German media report. At least one woman was raped, and many were groped.

Most of the crimes reported to police were robberies. A volunteer policewoman was among those sexually molested.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People do give a shit, just not enough to leave their comfortable little bubble and do something about it

It's is a disgrace this country and the fact people die daily due to the cuts to valuable services it makes me sick."

So have you thought about what you can do about it? Even if you can help one person, its an amazing thing, so find someone you can help and help them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think.

I can compare because a lot are coming through the legal way I think you need to rethink your statement but that's your call not mine...Yes u can have your _iew and I can have mine."

Is there a specific reason you don't work and choose to claim jsa?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think.

I can compare because a lot are coming through the legal way I think you need to rethink your statement but that's your call not mine...Yes u can have your _iew and I can have mine."

..on the whole a far smaller proportion of immigrants claim benefits than the british...i have much more of a problem with fit healthy people from here who cant be arsed to work and think that because theyre not a refugee thats ok!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

So in essence your argument is because some British people are twats we should not object to hundreds of thousands of twats being brought in?

Sorry but, its a bollocks argument the fact we have problems is not justification for importing more.

We can't really do anything about the twats that are born hwre but we can do something about the twats wanting to come here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think.

I can compare because a lot are coming through the legal way I think you need to rethink your statement but that's your call not mine...Yes u can have your _iew and I can have mine.

Is there a specific reason you don't work and choose to claim jsa?"
No. I do work you know, what she did is "just thinks" what I am getting there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *-4pleasureCouple over a year ago

Belfast

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think.

I can compare because a lot are coming through the legal way I think you need to rethink your statement but that's your call not mine...Yes u can have your _iew and I can have mine.

Is there a specific reason you don't work and choose to claim jsa?No. I do work you know, what she did is "just thinks" what I am getting there. "

Oh never mind.

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By *awtymarkyMan over a year ago

chester

"I'm all for shoot to kill lets get rid of them for good"

I am sure that is genocide

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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Burrrrrrn.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think.

I can compare because a lot are coming through the legal way I think you need to rethink your statement but that's your call not mine...Yes u can have your _iew and I can have mine.

Is there a specific reason you don't work and choose to claim jsa?No. I do work you know, what she did is "just thinks" what I am getting there. "

Well if I'm wrong then I will put my hands up but I remember you saying you work in a well known supermarket warehouse for a couple of hours and you recieve JSA, if your circumstances have changed then so be it and I apologise but I'm just going off what you have put in the forum on previous occasions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 25/01/16 15:51:32]

Burrrrrrn."
lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think.

I can compare because a lot are coming through the legal way I think you need to rethink your statement but that's your call not mine...Yes u can have your _iew and I can have mine.

Is there a specific reason you don't work and choose to claim jsa?No. I do work you know, what she did is "just thinks" what I am getting there. "

you have said you work part time, so presumably those of us who pay tax on full time wages pay tax that goes towards your gym membership!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

So in essence your argument is because some British people are twats we should not object to hundreds of thousands of twats being brought in?

Sorry but, its a bollocks argument the fact we have problems is not justification for importing more.

We can't really do anything about the twats that are born hwre but we can do something about the twats wanting to

come here."

Has anyone ever said that they want those kind of criminals coming here?

Do you want to end all migration because of the actions of a small criminal minority?

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By *oobsandballsMan over a year ago

st andrews

Yes, let's take one look at the image of someone on the telly/in the paper and make sweeping generalisations.

What year is this again?!

I'm less concerned about refugees than I am about the idiots we already have here. Maybe we should do a swap.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These people are fighting for survival some are good some not so but they are just people with a different brogue ,the repercussions of so many coming are apparent British tradesmen struggling to get work because cheaper equivalent available but its not the people doing its fault its their respective governments not providing for them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

So in essence your argument is because some British people are twats we should not object to hundreds of thousands of twats being brought in?

Sorry but, its a bollocks argument the fact we have problems is not justification for importing more.

We can't really do anything about the twats that are born hwre but we can do something about the twats wanting to

come here.

Has anyone ever said that they want those kind of criminals coming here?

Do you want to end all migration because of the actions of a small criminal minority?"

No one has argued to end all migration.

What you are doing is called a strawman argument.

Its where you make up a fake position for your oponent and argue agaisnt that instead of the actual point they have made.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

Desperate people doing desperate things to live a better, safer life.

Each and everyone of us would do the same, the very same.

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

I can't stand the way all asylum seekers are lumped together.

I spent 10 years working with them. I met a small minority who were difficult, nasty types. The vast minority were decent people who just wanted a better life.

Some were amazing people who had survived incredible torment - I'm talking watching your family macheted to death (more than one).

I knew a guy who escaped a civil war in which head seen many people killed. He came here, started by learning English and is now studying law at uni. He'd smile and shake our hands every day and enquire about our families. This was in marked contrast to many "homegrown" clients, who were often ungrateful, lazy and abusive. This was a guy who was so traumatised by what he'd seen that he'd shake when he saw other men of the same skin colour.

I'd glad keep the likes of him and put some UK citizens on a boat out of here instead.

I worked with a guy who was very against immigrants. A year later him and his wife were regularly having him round for supper and dropping cakes off at his place.

Actually, the law student is probably the most inspiring, brave person I've met in my 46 years on the planet.

Obviously we need rigorous controls, awareness of the risks of abuse e.g. by extremists and so on.

I sure this makes me sound like pinko-lefty bed wetter. I'm actually not - for example, I'm pro-Syrian air strikes. I just wanted to point out there are human stories behind this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes, let's take one look at the image of someone on the telly/in the paper and make sweeping generalisations. ! "

Or hundreds of reports of sexual assault ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

"Police in Cologne are investigating a staggering 359 sexual assaults and a total of 821 complaints after a migrant mob went on the rampage in the city on New Year's Eve.

In figures released by the state government in North Rhine-Westphalia, the full extent of crimes ranging from pick pocketing to gang rape, police are investigating is laid bare in what has been dubbed a 'list of shame'.

It shows that a total of 359 sexual assaults have been reported to German police and that 659 women are recorded as having been victims of the mob."

Try looking up the words: 'consent', 'rape' and 'organised crime' in the dictionary.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If there desperate to escape syria or where ever they come from why not be happy in france. Why the need to come to the uk????

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

So in essence your argument is because some British people are twats we should not object to hundreds of thousands of twats being brought in?

Sorry but, its a bollocks argument the fact we have problems is not justification for importing more.

We can't really do anything about the twats that are born hwre but we can do something about the twats wanting to come here."

I am afraid you completely miss the point. How is it possible to stereotypicalise every migrant (or to quote you, 'hundreds of thousands', based on the acts of a few as highlighted by such a biased publisher?

The point is you cannot, in the same way you cannot expect the majority of brits to be judged on the minority.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My _iews are pretty simple. I don't care who you, what country you are from if your black white orange or even green but if you are not a born in Britain you should have to pay to support your self. Yes use nhs because you pay towards if your working have as many kids as you like as long as you can afford them. Learn to speak understandable English.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If there desperate to escape syria or where ever they come from why not be happy in france. Why the need to come to the uk????"

yes

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By *oobsandballsMan over a year ago

st andrews

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

The last line there tells you how fucking stupid that article is. It's from the Fail.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So in essence your argument is because some British people are twats we should not object to hundreds of thousands of twats being brought in?

Sorry but, its a bollocks argument the fact we have problems is not justification for importing more.

We can't really do anything about the twats that are born hwre but we can do something about the twats wanting to

come here.

Has anyone ever said that they want those kind of criminals coming here?

Do you want to end all migration because of the actions of a small criminal minority?

No one has argued to end all migration.

What you are doing is called a strawman argument.

Its where you make up a fake position for your oponent and argue agaisnt that instead of the actual point they have made.

Actually, it's really not. It's directly challenging your "Hundreds and thousands of twats" narrative generalisation, but hey - you got to sound clever

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And there's me thinking swingers were a generally easy going and accepting type of people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So in essence your argument is because some British people are twats we should not object to hundreds of thousands of twats being brought in?

Sorry but, its a bollocks argument the fact we have problems is not justification for importing more.

We can't really do anything about the twats that are born hwre but we can do something about the twats wanting to

come here.

Has anyone ever said that they want those kind of criminals coming here?

Do you want to end all migration because of the actions of a small criminal minority?

No one has argued to end all migration.

What you are doing is called a strawman argument.

Its where you make up a fake position for your oponent and argue agaisnt that instead of the actual point they have made.

Actually, it's really not. It's directly challenging your "Hundreds and thousands of twats" narrative generalisation, but hey - you got to sound clever

Really? i was being conservative. Given the 1.1 million that have currently made it as far as germany.

But please tell me where did i say I wanted to end all migration?

If that was a direct challenge that should be easy.

Cause its a slight shock to me given i actually support free movement.

I just think it should have been maintained with countires of simmilar economies such as france, germany, uk, the nordic states etc.

And ideally widened to include some of the common wealth countries such as canada and Australia

However it broke as an idea when it included such radically differnt countires such as poland, bulgaria etc

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By *oobsandballsMan over a year ago

st andrews

"Yes, let's take one look at the image of someone on the telly/in the paper and make sweeping generalisations. !

Or hundreds of reports of sexual assault ?"

Ah yes. If they look of Middle Eastern descent (therefore not 'one of us') they're obviously rapists.

FFS. The stupid, it burns. I'd really love to see what tune some of you would be singing if the shoe was on the other foot and you and your families were the ones in need.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves, it's quite disgusting. I'm out, not tainting my eyeballs with any more of this crap.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes, let's take one look at the image of someone on the telly/in the paper and make sweeping generalisations. !

Or hundreds of reports of sexual assault ?

Ah yes. If they look of Middle Eastern descent (therefore not 'one of us') they're obviously rapists.

Ah right ok so the 600 plus women are all lying then are they?

How do you get 600+ people to all submit fake police reports btw?

Oh and sorry to burst your little bubble but a lot of them arent middle eastern they're north african.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not read all the Thread so apolgies but to me its quite simple really. The people in Calais are simply criminals. Every one of them. Why do I say that? Because if they were genuine Asylum Seekers they should have gone to "the first place of safe refuge" because that is what International Law and the United Nations decrees. If you do NOT do that you are an illegal immigrant wherever you go. So for these migrants (they are not refugees) they should have stayed in Turkey, Greece, Jordan or wherever. Given there are some 6 'safe' countries between us and outside the EU they have had their chance. So why aren't they claiming Asylum in France? Or Spain? Or Italy? Or Germany?

The problem we have is soft minded people forget the damage done by Blair & Co when they opened the East European floodgates 3 years earlier than need be. And the EU that has forced even more on us so we now have Romanians camping out on Memorials to brave people in Hyde Park and happily sending children out to thieve and beg. There was a photo of a Romanian family sneering at us because we were soft enough to pay them £300 a week and give them a house for the 6 of them. SIX!! We send £ Millions a week to Poland and wherever in Child Benefit because the lucky tart got here just in time to have her baby (free of charge). Bulgarians fight with Poles over who can get the lowest wages. Albanians run all the Prostitutes and brothels. Oh and are now delivering automatic rifles to any nutjob who has £50 to spare. And these are people we CAN NOT CONTROL.

So why should we let all these men (and 90% of those in Calais are young men) into our country. Germany opened their doors last Summer and didn't THAT work out well in Cologne? we have enough scroungers and thieves and gangsters here already. the French can have them.

And as an ex Conti-truck driver what those guys have to put up with now in Calais on a daily basis is just horrendous. And totally illegal but the French don't care.

OK Rant over and I will wait for the sandal wearing do-gooder Corbynite softies to wring their hands and say what a nasty bastard I am ...

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

"And there's me thinking swingers were a generally easy going and accepting type of people. "

Where the fuck did you get that idea from ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Really? i was being conservative. Given the 1.1 million that have currently made it as far as germany.

But please tell me where did i say I wanted to end all migration?

If that was a direct challenge that should be easy.

Cause its a slight shock to me given i actually support free movement.

I just think it should have been maintained with countires of simmilar economies such as france, germany, uk, the nordic states etc.

And ideally widened to include some of the common wealth countries such as canada and Australia

However it broke as an idea when it included such radically differnt countires such as poland, bulgaria etc "

Exactly right. So we HAVE to take some illiterates Bulgarian in and pay him / her welfare but we can't allow in a skilled Canadian Doctor . physicist . engineer. The Aussies have got it dead right. Stop the wanderers coming in, vet those who wish to apply legally on a points system and tell those who DO get in 'if you don't like it in Australia you are free to f**k off'....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not read all the Thread so apolgies but to me its quite simple really. The people in Calais are simply criminals. Every one of them. Why do I say that? Because if they were genuine Asylum Seekers they should have gone to "the first place of safe refuge" because that is what International Law and the United Nations decrees. If you do NOT do that you are an illegal immigrant wherever you go. So for these migrants (they are not refugees) they should have stayed in Turkey, Greece, Jordan or wherever. Given there are some 6 'safe' countries between us and outside the EU they have had their chance. So why aren't they claiming Asylum in France? Or Spain? Or Italy? Or Germany?

And as an ex Conti-truck driver what those guys have to put up with now in Calais on a daily basis is just horrendous. And totally illegal but the French don't care.

OK Rant over and I will wait for the sandal wearing do-gooder Corbynite softies to wring their hands and say what a nasty bastard I am ...

well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So in essence your argument is because some British people are twats we should not object to hundreds of thousands of twats being brought in?

Sorry but, its a bollocks argument the fact we have problems is not justification for importing more.

We can't really do anything about the twats that are born hwre but we can do something about the twats wanting to

come here.

Has anyone ever said that they want those kind of criminals coming here?

Do you want to end all migration because of the actions of a small criminal minority?

No one has argued to end all migration.

What you are doing is called a strawman argument.

Its where you make up a fake position for your oponent and argue agaisnt that instead of the actual point they have made.

Actually, it's really not. It's directly challenging your "Hundreds and thousands of twats" narrative generalisation, but hey - you got to sound clever

Really? i was being conservative. Given the 1.1 million that have currently made it as far as germany.

But please tell me where did i say I wanted to end all migration?

If that was a direct challenge that should be easy.

Cause its a slight shock to me given i actually support free movement.

I just think it should have been maintained with countires of simmilar economies such as france, germany, uk, the nordic states etc.

And ideally widened to include some of the common wealth countries such as canada and Australia

However it broke as an idea when it included such radically differnt countires such as poland, bulgaria etc

Do you know what? It's not actually the figures in your little diatribe I was objecting to, it was the wording.

I don't think anyone believes in an open door immigration policy; there is a perfectly legitimacy in arguing the sustainability of current arrangements; there is viability in questioning Angela Merkel's written-on-the-back -of-a-fag-packet decisions to allow a million refugees into Germany, which will naturally give hope to millions of others - what is NOT acceptable in my opinion, is to accept and encourage the narrative that all current refugees are culturally illiterate sex offenders/terrorists

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And as an ex Conti-truck driver what those guys have to put up with now in Calais on a daily basis is just horrendous. And totally illegal but the French don't care.

OK Rant over and I will wait for the sandal wearing do-gooder Corbynite softies to wring their hands and say what a nasty bastard I am ...

People might take your post a bit more seriously if you didn't talk so much nonsense. To pick just one, where do you get your statistics from that 90% of them are young men?

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

the people of kent have had enough ...im so glad the rest of our country are now getting there share of the crap.these people are nothing more than economic migrants ,we house them in a new place in Whitstable and all they do is smash it up and upset locals in groups on the streets.....none work or intend to....and most of them are young men

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So in essence your argument is because some British people are twats we should not object to hundreds of thousands of twats being brought in?

Sorry but, its a bollocks argument the fact we have problems is not justification for importing more.

We can't really do anything about the twats that are born hwre but we can do something about the twats wanting to

come here.

Has anyone ever said that they want those kind of criminals coming here?

Do you want to end all migration because of the actions of a small criminal minority?

No one has argued to end all migration.

What you are doing is called a strawman argument.

Its where you make up a fake position for your oponent and argue agaisnt that instead of the actual point they have made.

Actually, it's really not. It's directly challenging your "Hundreds and thousands of twats" narrative generalisation, but hey - you got to sound clever

Really? i was being conservative. Given the 1.1 million that have currently made it as far as germany.

But please tell me where did i say I wanted to end all migration?

If that was a direct challenge that should be easy.

Cause its a slight shock to me given i actually support free movement.

I just think it should have been maintained with countires of simmilar economies such as france, germany, uk, the nordic states etc.

And ideally widened to include some of the common wealth countries such as canada and Australia

However it broke as an idea when it included such radically differnt countires such as poland, bulgaria etc

Do you know what? It's not actually the figures in your little diatribe I was objecting to, it was the wording.

Ahh ok so we've gone from

The inital brits are cunts in spain/ban all migration straw man argument to

"Hundreds of thousands generalisation argument about th figures

To now its not the figures but the wording.

I mena i support for example the aproach camaron took in accepting the 20k most desperate though our vulnerable persons program we've ran cor decades where we take in the most desperate and ill people because we can afford to care for them where others can't.

Direct from the camps.

But the people in Germany and callie are not desperate refugees many (most accorsing to some surveys ) are not from syria but many places fotchingthier documents and claiming to be from a warzone becaus it means they can't be sent back.

Hence why much of the complaints are ahaisnt north africans.

But of course all of this is secondary.

You never did answer how your argument that British people are twats in spain is justification for letting in these people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" People might take your post a bit more seriously if you didn't talk so much nonsense. To pick just one, where do you get your statistics from that 90% of them are young men?"

Nonsense? OK how about YOU define my 'nonsense for us?

And that 90% figure? Well try this then:

"The 22-year-old Syrian is one of the few hundred women who have ended up in the Jungle, making up a mere 10 percent of the camp's three-thousand-strong population."

from the Daily Fail? or Conservative Party HQ? Nah try France24..

http://www.france24.com/en/20150914-women-migrants-calais-jungle-plight

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And as an ex Conti-truck driver what those guys have to put up with now in Calais on a daily basis is just horrendous. And totally illegal but the French don't care.

OK Rant over and I will wait for the sandal wearing do-gooder Corbynite softies to wring their hands and say what a nasty bastard I am ...

People might take your post a bit more seriously if you didn't talk so much nonsense. To pick just one, where do you get your statistics from that 90% of them are young men? "

The offical statistics are around 75% male iirc so 90% is an exageration but not masivly

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By *adysilkCouple over a year ago

birmingham

wonder why the countries round them dont help these people, why do they have to come to EU and risk there lives , dont say they havent got money these countries have rich people too, who would rather pass them to EU countries we have enough problems of our own , they would not help us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" People might take your post a bit more seriously if you didn't talk so much nonsense. To pick just one, where do you get your statistics from that 90% of them are young men?

Nonsense? OK how about YOU define my 'nonsense for us?

And that 90% figure? Well try this then:

"The 22-year-old Syrian is one of the few hundred women who have ended up in the Jungle, making up a mere 10 percent of the camp's three-thousand-strong population."

from the Daily Fail? or Conservative Party HQ? Nah try France24..

http://www.france24.com/en/20150914-women-migrants-calais-jungle-plight"

I repeat my question. Where does it state 90% are young men? The article simply states only 10% are women. This does not mean 90% are 'young men' as you suggest

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" The offical statistics are around 75% male iirc so 90% is an exageration but not masivly "

See my source above but you only have to look at camera footage from trucks or news sources to see there are very few women let alone children. And anyway if it was 50% I would still say the same. They are illegal immigrants encouraged by the French and EU to be there to cause the UK a huge problem. But what will happen is this reality will dominate the In / Out referendum this year and thankfully we will leave this EU monstrosity that is now causing grief and tragedy to so many millions of people across Europe.

When people lecture me about taking these people in from Calais I say well OK take all the 2 million East Europeans back and yes we have space. And then we can take more genuine refugees from the camps in Jordan etc. we have a huge immigration problem in the UK. We cannot allow any more in unless they are GENUINE Asylum Seekers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So in essence your argument is because some British people are twats we should not object to hundreds of thousands of twats being brought in?

Sorry but, its a bollocks argument the fact we have problems is not justification for importing more.

We can't really do anything about the twats that are born hwre but we can do something about the twats wanting to

come here.

Has anyone ever said that they want those kind of criminals coming here?

Do you want to end all migration because of the actions of a small criminal minority?

No one has argued to end all migration.

What you are doing is called a strawman argument.

Its where you make up a fake position for your oponent and argue agaisnt that instead of the actual point they have made.

Actually, it's really not. It's directly challenging your "Hundreds and thousands of twats" narrative generalisation, but hey - you got to sound clever

Really? i was being conservative. Given the 1.1 million that have currently made it as far as germany.

But please tell me where did i say I wanted to end all migration?

If that was a direct challenge that should be easy.

Cause its a slight shock to me given i actually support free movement.

I just think it should have been maintained with countires of simmilar economies such as france, germany, uk, the nordic states etc.

And ideally widened to include some of the common wealth countries such as canada and Australia

However it broke as an idea when it included such radically differnt countires such as poland, bulgaria etc

Do you know what? It's not actually the figures in your little diatribe I was objecting to, it was the wording.

Ahh ok so we've gone from

The inital brits are cunts in spain/ban all migration straw man argument to

"Hundreds of thousands generalisation argument about th figures

To now its not the figures but the wording.

Direct from the camps.

Hence why much of the complaints are ahaisnt north africans.

But of course all of this is secondary.

You never did answer how your argument that British people are twats in spain is justification for letting in these people."

Hate to break it to you, my friend, but I didn't make that argument (although it's a fairly simple point that people from all cultures can behave abominally ).

I'm glad it's helped you to clarify your thoughts on where immigration is acceptable from though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The inital brits are cunts in spain/ban all migration straw man argument to

"Hundreds of thousands generalisation argument about th figures

To now its not the figures but the wording.

Direct from the camps.

Hence why much of the complaints are ahaisnt north africans.

But of course all of this is secondary.

You never did answer how your argument that British people are twats in spain is justification for letting in these people."

Actually I did reply:

The point is you cannot, in the same way you cannot expect the majority of brits to be judged on the minority.

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

"I'd rather have an asylum seeker than some of the ignorant people on this thread.

How about one of these?

"Migrants have been banned from a historic swimming bath in Germany after a gang of men were caught on camera masturbating in a hot tub and sexually assaulting women.

Several other men were seen 'emptying their bowels' in the children's end of the main swimming pool at the Johannisbad baths in Zwickau, Saxony..."

(Taken from an article in yesterday's Mail on Sunday.)

What a shit comparison, it's pathetic! Those folk are in holiday, and how they act rightly or wrongly has no bearing on an immigration discussion. They've paid through the nose to get there and act like cunts, and it's not like the spanish don't make money from them and yes it may be shit for them, but at least they fuck off after a week or so. You can't compare holiday makers to asylum seekers, migrants (economic or otherwise).

It's quite clear there are very few people situated about the port of calais that are genuinely fleeing from tyranny. You don't see too many famalies from war torn syria being taken out the back of lorries in dover, just blokes from everywhere but.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" I repeat my question. Where does it state 90% are young men? The article simply states only 10% are women. This does not mean 90% are 'young men' as you suggest "

errrr .. 10% from 100% = 90%

** Face / Palm **

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"they are all young men they need to go back and fight for there country like our men had too fight for england "

Agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm going to change my name now to sandal wearing leftie, its a good name.

So many are believing what is said in the papers, just like the asylum seekers do, they come here expecting the streets to be paved with gold, and all they find is the shit of dogs that are treated better than they are, but I guess we are far enough away from the image of a dead three year old boy being varied from the water to once again vilanise every single person trying to cross borders, they send us criminals we cry, I bet Spain laugh their bollocks off when they hear that.

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"wonder why the countries round them dont help these people, why do they have to come to EU and risk there lives , dont say they havent got money these countries have rich people too, who would rather pass them to EU countries we have enough problems of our own , they would not help us "

Absolutely

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Once again, I am afraid you have completely missed the point. The example I used was to demonstrate that you cannot judge the majority on the behaviour of the minority.

I am however interested to note that you consider that because someone pays to go to Spain and the Spanish make money, this entitles those people to act like cunts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" This does not mean 90% are 'young men' as you suggest "

So all you are doing is being picky about my description of 'young men'? Christ we have a huge problem and thats all you can offer? well look at the TV screens and photographs in whatever paper / online news feed you read.

But you sort of avoided MY question about my talkimng 'nonsense'. Care to be more specific or are we just making a generalisation?

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By *awtymarkyMan over a year ago

chester

Going to through this into the fire now !!!

Why don't all these illegal immigrants travel to Saudi Arabia or Abu Dabui to seek refuge as 1) it's a Muslim country 2) Great wealth as a country (oil) and 3) a lot closer in mileage to get too.

The answer is simple those countries will not give out any money to people for free unlike the uk / Europe. Plus not to mention that they see them as a hostile race and will persecute them for being in their country.

So why should we open our boarders as its only so much we can afford as a nation in fact if taxes keep rising and more people keep taking benefits from the truly needed it will end up with a civil war or even worse a dictator in power and that person was responsible for the holocaust!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 25/01/16 16:59:06]"

You genuinely make me lol.

Just to repeat, the article states 10% are women. This means, the other 90% could be:

- young men

- middle aged men

- old men

- children

so again, your assertion that 90% are 'young me' is nonsense.

#facepalm#

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" This does not mean 90% are 'young men' as you suggest

But you sort of avoided MY question about my talkimng 'nonsense'. Care to be more specific or are we just making a generalisation?"

There are s lot of people making generalizations on this thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Going to through this into the fire now !!!

Why don't all these illegal immigrants travel to Saudi Arabia or Abu Dabui to seek refuge as 1) it's a Muslim country 2) Great wealth as a country (oil) and 3) a lot closer in mileage to get too.

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By *ngel n tedCouple over a year ago

maidstone

Once again, I am afraid you have completely missed the point. The example I used was to demonstrate that you cannot judge the majority on the behaviour of the minority.

I am however interested to note that you consider that because someone pays to go to Spain and the Spanish make money, this entitles those people to act like cunts. "

I didn't say it entitles them, it was more the point that they go home after a week or so, yet the people you're comparing them to haven't just turned up for a week of sexual assaulting and shitting in swimming baths, they have their minds set on something a little more permanent

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" This does not mean 90% are 'young men' as you suggest

But you sort of avoided MY question about my talkimng 'nonsense'. Care to be more specific or are we just making a generalisation?"

so just to clarify, you made an assertion 90% were young men, I challenged you, you produced figures which did not support your argument, you then sought to take the piss out of me, and now I'm picky.

The funny thing about stating facts is that they are supposed to be facts.

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By *reelove1969Couple over a year ago

bristol

Not read the whole thread ...but people are 'fleeing' from france ...is that right ?.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Once again, I am afraid you have completely missed the point. The example I used was to demonstrate that you cannot judge the majority on the behaviour of the minority.

I am however interested to note that you consider that because someone pays to go to Spain and the Spanish make money, this entitles those people to act like cunts.

I am not condoning the behaviour. What I am trying to illustrate is that you cannot judge the majority on the behaviour of the minority.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not read the whole thread ...but people are 'fleeing' from france ...is that right ?."

yes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm going to change my name now to sandal wearing leftie, its a good name.

Without being unkind the sandals will suit you. That poor little boy should NEVER have been in a boat. That family had claimed Asylum in Turkey and had been living there for a number of years. The father decided they would all go to Europe (well the UK) and his brother in Canada sent the money to pay the people traffickers in Turkey.

They killed that little boy. The Father and the Turks. Not us. Sad and tragic as that sad loss was. Don't confuse crminal negligence with our duties to Asylum Seekers. Beyond that it is NOT our problem. Especially as we are the biggest donor of aid (£1.3 Billion) to that areas around Syria to help those countries cope. Turkey just shirted the EU for E2 Billion and still send the migrants out to sea on inflatable boats.... Go shout at THEM. not US!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm going to change my name now to sandal wearing leftie, its a good name.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not read the whole thread ...but people are 'fleeing' from france ...is that right ?.

yes

If it keeps on, it won't be long until I'm smuggling myself the other way.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

I think most sensible people would know that not all immigrants break the law or attack people and I cant see one person saying ALL immigrants do the above...BUT it does happen , just like it happens with people who are born here.

To the OP....I saw a programme not long ago following the immigrants in their journey to escape where they came from, it was in parts the saddest thing I have seen in a long time. I really wouldn't want to be in their shoes instead of sat clothed/ warm and fed in my house with a roof.

However, on the same programme where a whole load of single men going through the same journey who not so much looked like yobs, but a good few of them tried any means to help get them through the process. One of which was a gang of them who had child of about 6 with then who had a broken jaw, when the medics tried to help and asked questions the child said he was with an uncle but the uncle said he was his dad... and all he kept doing was crying for his mum, it was heartbreaking to watch. The uncle/ dad refused to let the boy be treated and took him. I don't know what the real story was but it looked like the men were using the child as a way of getting through all the checks faster.

Before I get shot down, yes I know it was just one incident I saw, I didn't say all the single men coming over would do the same but for those men I would say they were worse than yobs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" so just to clarify, you made an assertion 90% were young men, I challenged you, you produced figures which did not support your argument, you then sought to take the piss out of me, and now I'm picky. "

Yes I made that assertion based on obvious new reports, film and photographic footage available to all that shows the age group of the men climbing in trucks and wandering around the Port. I really didn't think that was a problem to anyone as it was so obvious. It was 3 words from a 21 word sentence. So yes you are being very picky.

The number was from various sources. I provided one very independent one which TOTALLY supported my statement. And if it wasn't the '90%' bit that concerned you why mention it?

Trust me I was not taking the piss. I was just astounded that you seemed to not understand 100 - 10 = 90...

We are still waiting for your justification for calling ALL my comments 'nonsense'? Shall we hold our breath ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think most sensible people would know that not all immigrants break the law or attack people and I cant see one person saying ALL immigrants do the above...BUT it does happen , just like it happens with people who are born here.

Before I get shot down, yes I know it was just one incident I saw, I didn't say all the single men coming over would do the same but for those men I would say they were worse than yobs."

No child protection laws for that poor child.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"TV camera dont lie do they and we have a right to be worried who knows whats going to happen France thought it was the end of the world when they got attacked hope your not around when its happens "

I'm through there very regularly in trucks and buses. The main times there's anything happening it's only when there are TV cameras around, was Corbyn not in town that day? They want anything for 'the shot' - be interesting to see their trip accounts and how much is unaccounted for or very loosely documented. I'd bet a fair chunk of cash that there are backhanders going on to perform.

Oh and the attackers at the Bataclan - French and Belgian. Not Syrian or anywheresian

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

"One of the big charities has pulled out of sangatte claiming a large proportion are not genuine asylum seekers. "

Really you don't say lol.

On a serious note, it is bad when a charity, stops giving help to people that need it. I know there are a large number just after a free house or meal ticket, but there will be some genuine people that do need the help.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think."
oh you can

your the proverbial pot having a crack at the kettle

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

Before I get shot down, yes I know it was just one incident I saw, I didn't say all the single men coming over would do the same but for those men I would say they were worse than yobs.

No child protection laws for that poor child. "

Thats the bit I couldnt understand, I would have thought they would have stopped him from leaving , but they just let him go.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd quite willingly trade them for some of our own

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Before I get shot down, yes I know it was just one incident I saw, I didn't say all the single men coming over would do the same but for those men I would say they were worse than yobs.

No child protection laws for that poor child. "

Wounder what gonna happen to the poor kid?? Xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not read the whole thread ...but people are 'fleeing' from france ...is that right ?.

yes

Boris Johnson had great pleasure in telling French Prime Minister Juppe he was Mayor of France's 6th largest city. A great many French are leaving that Socialist Nirvana that Mr Milliband so admired....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26823489

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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You genuinely make me lol.

Just to repeat, the article states 10% are women. This means, the other 90% could be:

- young men

- middle aged men

- old men

- children

so again, your assertion that 90% are 'young me' is nonsense.

#facepalm#"

Your defence of illegal immigrants (and rapists) is admirable. As the illegals were running to illegally board the Calais ferry on Saturday I would say 99% were young men. I saw two trendily dressed white European females in their midst...probably middle class English student 'anarchists'.

"Women make up about 10-14% of the total of migrants/refugees on the Calais border". Source: sisterhex.com.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The number was from various sources. I provided one very independent one which TOTALLY supported my statement. And if it wasn't the '90%' bit that concerned you why mention it?

Trust me I was not taking the piss. I was just astounded that you seemed to not understand 100 - 10 = 90...

We are still waiting for your justification for calling ALL my comments 'nonsense'? Shall we hold our breath ?"

With respect, I picked out one random 'fact' and since that time you have sought to verify the same and failed.

You comment, 'I made that assertion based on obvious new reports, film and photographic footage'.

I have no idea what you mean by an 'obvious report', but how you can make an assertion that 90% of the migrants are 'young men' based on clips of footage you have seen, I don't know.

Again, I am unsure how that source 'supports your statement' when it simply states 10% are women. I am fully aware that 100 minus 10 equals 90, but you are working from the false position that there are only two 'categories' when the remaining 90% could well be older men, middle aged men and children.

Given that I have picked out one fact at random, which you have since been unable to verify, I fail to see why I should have to go to the effort of picking out the various other inaccuracies.

Perhaps next time you might just wish to consider your facts before stating them, since stating incorrect facts only serves to damage the overall credibility of your post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh and the attackers at the Bataclan - French and Belgian. Not Syrian or anywheresian

While many of the people taking part in the Paris attacks were Islamic extremists from France and Belgium, they had been in Syria and were able to come back posing as refugees.

Speaking of obfuscations, I've seen one article trying to claim that the attackers were 'anarchists' and had nothing to do with ISIS. Naturally I dismissed that as its stupid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is time to fence up Europe to keep the illegal aliens from entering. I recon having strict control like Australia on a massive scale would help.

It's like telling you to go home Shag because as far I can remember you are not British you work a couple of hours and claim JSA...I think you need to re think your _iews on immigration when you are an immigrant claiming our benefits Yes that is right, but I came in the legal way, what I am on about is the illegal ones you know. So you cant really compare I think.

I can compare because a lot are coming through the legal way I think you need to rethink your statement but that's your call not mine...Yes u can have your _iew and I can have mine.

Is there a specific reason you don't work and choose to claim jsa?No. I do work you know, what she did is "just thinks" what I am getting there.

you have said you work part time, so presumably those of us who pay tax on full time wages pay tax that goes towards your gym membership!"
Dont people on benefits get gym membership for nothing or next to nothing?....its all wrong but you will never change it

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

And as an ex Conti-truck driver what those guys have to put up with now in Calais on a daily basis is just horrendous. And totally illegal but the French don't care.

OK Rant over and I will wait for the sandal wearing do-gooder Corbynite softies to wring their hands and say what a nasty bastard I am ...

then surely the issue about their breaking the law by not seeking refuge in the first safe country is down to several of the countries where they passed through yes..?

fair point on the fuck up by Labour when the grossly under estimated the numbers coming here albeit some have done so successfully and are now paying taxes here, what about the fact that the immigration figures post 2010 have been increasing..?

most of what your talking about yes is an issue but its an issue of law and order, good governance and policies designed to clamp down on such behaviours..

again since 2010 just who has been in power..?

maybe address these (some valid) points to Theresa May perhaps..?

nowt wrong with a good sandal but not ever with socks mind..

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By *awtymarkyMan over a year ago

chester

What happened in France you could say was their own doing. Keeping their boarders open so all can cross and we know how sick and cowardly these extreme Muslims behave.

The French people are now not helping by turning their backs on a problem they created themselves so why should we pick up the pieces.

I am sorry but our country is at bursting point I would only let in the doctors or nurses or engineers into our country from these states and tell the rest to feck off

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 25/01/16 16:59:06]

You genuinely make me lol.

Just to repeat, the article states 10% are women. This means, the other 90% could be:

- young men

- middle aged men

- old men

- children

so again, your assertion that 90% are 'young me' is nonsense.

#facepalm#

"Women make up about 10-14% of the total of migrants/refugees on the Calais border". Source: sisterhex.com. "

I am not defending anyone. I am simply demonstrating that if you are going to state facts, perhaps make sure they are facts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes, let's take one look at the image of someone on the telly/in the paper and make sweeping generalisations. !

Or hundreds of reports of sexual assault ?"
Well that was one incident which we are not defending but that is Germanys problem as they let them in....German youths and young men will soon rise and give any rapist immigrant the kicking he deserves

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By *errygTV/TS over a year ago

denton

"Going to through this into the fire now !!!

Why don't all these illegal immigrants travel to Saudi Arabia or Abu Dabui to seek refuge as 1) it's a Muslim country 2) Great wealth as a country (oil) and 3) a lot closer in mileage to get too.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"I'd quite willingly trade them for some of our own "

this..