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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think he's a total butt-monkey but his train is showing no sign of derailing, should we be worried??"
Yep...the more shit he shouts the more points he gains...the train keeps rolling and it's gaining speed. |
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"I think he's a total butt-monkey but his train is showing no sign of derailing, should we be worried??
Yep...the more shit he shouts the more points he gains...the train keeps rolling and it's gaining speed."
Yeah. How bad can the competition be ? |
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he tells it how it is ....and usa people have had enough of shit.....maybe if our great elected politicions said what the people think we would be out of Europe tomoz...but mr Cameron wants to bore us all to vote yes |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"he tells it how it is ....and usa people have had enough of shit.....maybe if our great elected politicions said what the people think we would be out of Europe tomoz...but mr Cameron wants to bore us all to vote yes"
Eh?
Don't suppose you speak English by any chance? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'll say what I say on all of these threads...there are far more interesting and viable people running for president than Trump, and I have yet to see a 'Sanders' thread or even a 'Rubio' thread.
Seems to me that conservative Americans are not the only ones obsessed with Trump. 
-Courtney |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I think he's a total butt-monkey but his train is showing no sign of derailing, should we be worried??"
feels like we have a trump thread every couple of days.... so here is my take on it...
I think what it shows (trump, ben carson, and to a lesser extent ted cruz on the republican side...... and bernie sanders on the democratic side) is a disatisfaction with mainstream politics......
bit like the comparsion here with corbyn and the labour party...
the republican establiment dont want trump just and much as the democratic establishment dont want sanders.... and both sides are panicking....
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"I'll say what I say on all of these threads...there are far more interesting and viable people running for president than Trump, and I have yet to see a 'Sanders' thread or even a 'Rubio' thread.
Seems to me that conservative Americans are not the only ones obsessed with Trump.
-Courtney "
they probably have no clue who marco is.... but eagily awaiting the ben carson thread.... 
so did you watch the youtube debate.... did you see the DNC are now so panicked about bernie winning both iowa and new hampshire that they "persuaded" CNN to squeeze in an unscheduled debate to try and help hilary... tuesday morning 2am
ooooh..... and the latest bernie ad.... spectactular... almost has me reaching for the donate button (still not done it yet but getting awfully close now)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nwRiuh1Cug |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'll say what I say on all of these threads...there are far more interesting and viable people running for president than Trump, and I have yet to see a 'Sanders' thread or even a 'Rubio' thread.
Seems to me that conservative Americans are not the only ones obsessed with Trump.
-Courtney
they probably have no clue who marco is.... but eagily awaiting the ben carson thread....
so did you watch the youtube debate.... did you see the DNC are now so panicked about bernie winning both iowa and new hampshire that they "persuaded" CNN to squeeze in an unscheduled debate to try and help hilary... tuesday morning 2am
ooooh..... and the latest bernie ad.... spectactular... almost has me reaching for the donate button (still not done it yet but getting awfully close now)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nwRiuh1Cug"
I guess that's part of what gets me about these threads. Some of the people with the strogest viewpoints about America couldn't even name all the candidates running without help from Google.
Anyway, I did see the debate and Bernie was on fire! Marc and I may have donated again 
I can't believe the DNC is forcing another debate. But I honestly think it will help Bernie more than it will help Hillary. He is someone you just like the more you hear from him. |
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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago
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Trump is no worse than anyone else in politics here or abroad, he just comes out with all this stuff and doesn't care about the consequences.
There are real nutters and maniacs behind the scenes that endanger the world on a daily basis.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Trump is no worse than Obama who was no worse than Bush. They're all as bad as each other and luckily I don't fall under they're jurisdiction, feel sorry for those that do though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thing is, what he says resonates with a huge amount of people. I think it's long past time that politicians start listening to the public and start doing what the majority want. they are all too damn scared to say or do anything for fear of being labelled racist or anti whatever the flavour of the day is. Politicians think they know what we want, does anyone really agree with them or do we just nod in agreement because that's what's expected of us? Trump has jumped on every single bandwagon going and has come up (for want of a better word) trumps. Maybe if politicians actually listened to the public for a change, Trump would never be in the position he is in right now. My only worry is that this is all a front and when the time comes, he will step down and allow Hillary Clinton to take the presidency, that to me would be an even greater disaster than Trump.
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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Don King coined the phrase "only in America". As I see it there are a fair few support Trump as they view him as some embodiment of the American Dream in a way which Obama (or his opponents) do not, someone who has made it big and feel that his experience in business would transfer into American economics.
Also since the isolationist policies following World War 1 America has seemed like quite an inward looking nation and some of Trumps rhetoric about protecting borders appeals to the defensive nature of some Americans.
As pointed out earlier in the thread, there are other contenders and similar to the UK there are voters who are deeply loyal to one party and a number of those (especially the "tea party") would prob back Trump.
At present Trump is getting the most media attention (in the UK at least) due to his belligerance, controversial statements and because he is a well known figure anyway. Controversy sells newspapers but column inches don't always equate to votes. If they did Ed Miliband would probably be prime minister.
My opinion about Trump is that his statement regarding immigration is a narrow minded, ill thought out, knee jet reaction which would be near impossible to put into practice and could encourage extremism. I don't think he should be banned from the UK though. A democratic society should counter dumb opinions with reason and logic and freedom of speech is a cornerstone of free society. A ban would be akin to sulking or throwing a diplomatic hissy fit. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"he tells it how it is ....and usa people have had enough of shit.....maybe if our great elected politicions said what the people think we would be out of Europe tomoz...but mr Cameron wants to bore us all to vote yes"
People use that phrase so often it's lost all meaning. "Tells it like it is"... As if this one person has the answer to a question that apparently everyone knows.
He's a muppet.
And he clearly fancies his own daughter. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Why would we be worried? Isn't America a different country?
Even if he becomes president "big if" it won't affect us, even IF it did he can't be a bigger arsehole than David cameron. |
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Don't panic.
After eight years of the Obama disaster the Republicans are desperate to get their man into the White House. Will that man be Trump? No chance.
Firstly I think when it comes to actually voting in the primaries enough Republicans will realise that he hasn't got a hope in hell of beating Hilary. While I suppose he has a slim chance of the nomination my money would be on Jeb Bush.
Should Trump scrape through and go head to head with Clinton (who at this stage is looking like a shoe in for the Democrats) he will get wiped out. He may be a good turn at Tea Party rally's but he has nothing like enough support in the country at large to get him elected president.
I fully expect to see America elect its first woman president come November.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm a bit of a political geek .
Hillary is by no means a shoe in, she may have thought so 5 month's ago but as I've been saying Bernie sanders is not going away! He's actually leading in polling in both new Hampshire and Iowa.
If he wins the first two, it will be blown wide open.
Right, now to the not very sensible candidates..
The Republicans are in melt down, none of them actually stand for the general Republican values, they can't agree on anything, Ted Cruz is actually the bigot trump just says anything that pops into his brain, Ben Carson... Oh where do you start with him, he's a creationist nutjob, he's only there to prove that clever skilfull people can also be nutters.
Jeb bush is crap he's no George h let alone George w.
And on that note neither is the libertarian Paul who's stood on his dad's following.
I'd put my money on trump v sanders... Although you couldn't discount bush v Clinton.. Oh how that alone should stand as oligarchic the US politics has got |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm a bit of a political geek .
Hillary is by no means a shoe in, she may have thought so 5 month's ago but as I've been saying Bernie sanders is not going away! He's actually leading in polling in both new Hampshire and Iowa.
If he wins the first two, it will be blown wide open.
Right, now to the not very sensible candidates..
The Republicans are in melt down, none of them actually stand for the general Republican values, they can't agree on anything, Ted Cruz is actually the bigot trump just says anything that pops into his brain, Ben Carson... Oh where do you start with him, he's a creationist nutjob, he's only there to prove that clever skilfull people can also be nutters.
Jeb bush is crap he's no George h let alone George w.
And on that note neither is the libertarian Paul who's stood on his dad's following.
I'd put my money on trump v sanders... Although you couldn't discount bush v Clinton.. Oh how that alone should stand as oligarchic the US politics has got"
In all honesty I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Trump is someone who says what he thinks will get him attention. Cruz is a smart guy who has awful beliefs. I would really be afraid if he wins the Republican nomination.
-Courtney |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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the American public must like,he wouldn't be there otherwise.yes he's a complete arse but arent they all,farage, Cameron, Osborne....all full of crap,it's just that trumps is different crap. |
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"I'm a bit of a political geek .
Hillary is by no means a shoe in, she may have thought so 5 month's ago but as I've been saying Bernie sanders is not going away! He's actually leading in polling in both new Hampshire and Iowa.
If he wins the first two, it will be blown wide open.
Right, now to the not very sensible candidates..
The Republicans are in melt down, none of them actually stand for the general Republican values, they can't agree on anything, Ted Cruz is actually the bigot trump just says anything that pops into his brain, Ben Carson... Oh where do you start with him, he's a creationist nutjob, he's only there to prove that clever skilfull people can also be nutters.
Jeb bush is crap he's no George h let alone George w.
And on that note neither is the libertarian Paul who's stood on his dad's following.
I'd put my money on trump v sanders... Although you couldn't discount bush v Clinton.. Oh how that alone should stand as oligarchic the US politics has got
In all honesty I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Trump is someone who says what he thinks will get him attention. Cruz is a smart guy who has awful beliefs. I would really be afraid if he wins the Republican nomination.
-Courtney "
Personally I find Trump, Clinton, Sanders all absolutely awful but for different reasons. Marco Rubio seems the only vaguely sensible one to me. With that field of candidates; whoever wins, America loses!
That said, I think Clinton will win because her greatest achievement was being born with a vagina. Otherwise she's completely devoid of talent. It's a sad state of affairs when the only women are Clinton or Carly Fiorina who is as equally useless as Clinton.
Makes me proud to be British, we had a woman PM yonks ago and most of the high profile women in politics are reasonably good, Dianne Abbot being the exception to the rule. |
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"Personally I find Trump, Clinton, Sanders all absolutely awful but for different reasons. Marco Rubio seems the only vaguely sensible one to me. With that field of candidates; whoever wins, America loses!
That said, I think Clinton will win because her greatest achievement was being born with a vagina. Otherwise she's completely devoid of talent. It's a sad state of affairs when the only women are Clinton or Carly Fiorina who is as equally useless as Clinton.
Makes me proud to be British, we had a woman PM yonks ago and most of the high profile women in politics are reasonably good, Dianne Abbot being the exception to the rule. "
See, I disagree with you. I find Sanders absolutely great.
As for Rubio, he is very interesting and not as bad as some of the republicans but he is far too weak willed to be President. He doesn't stick to his ground on important issues (like immigration, for example) and simply doesn't know enough about foreign policy to get the job done right. He would only be as good as his cabinet and we've seen how badly that can go with George W.
-Courtney |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Personally I find Trump, Clinton, Sanders all absolutely awful but for different reasons. Marco Rubio seems the only vaguely sensible one to me. With that field of candidates; whoever wins, America loses!
That said, I think Clinton will win because her greatest achievement was being born with a vagina. Otherwise she's completely devoid of talent. It's a sad state of affairs when the only women are Clinton or Carly Fiorina who is as equally useless as Clinton.
Makes me proud to be British, we had a woman PM yonks ago and most of the high profile women in politics are reasonably good, Dianne Abbot being the exception to the rule.
See, I disagree with you. I find Sanders absolutely great.
As for Rubio, he is very interesting and not as bad as some of the republicans but he is far too weak willed to be President. He doesn't stick to his ground on important issues (like immigration, for example) and simply doesn't know enough about foreign policy to get the job done right. He would only be as good as his cabinet and we've seen how badly that can go with George W.
-Courtney "
What do you like about Sanders?
I don't think Rubio has any serious chance!
How well do you believe Obama has met expectations? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do you like about Sanders?
I don't think Rubio has any serious chance!
How well do you believe Obama has met expectations? "
I think Sanders is someone who truly believes in what he says. Many of his desires are unattainable, but many are doable and frankly should have been done long ago. We need someone in the white house who wants to bring systematic change to American politics and I think he is the right person for the job. As long as liberals can be realistic about what is achievable then I think he would be ideal.
As for Obama, I am biased, so my answer may not reflect the majority if Americans or of Democrats, even. But I think his time in office has been largely successful. No, he didn't do absolutely everything that he said he would do, but then no one does and he had more opposition than most presidents have. I think there is far more that needs to be done and that maybe it can only be done by someone who is less contentious a figure. I wasn't one of his great supporters, but I'm happier with him now than I was when he first took office. I think he met most of my expectations, and maybe even did better than I thought someone with his experience would do. He had dreams of grandeur that no one could live up to, so in that regard I suppose he didn't meet most people's expectations. Buy I'm familiar with American politics so my expectations weren't quite do high.
-Courtney |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What do you like about Sanders?
I don't think Rubio has any serious chance!
How well do you believe Obama has met expectations?
I think Sanders is someone who truly believes in what he says. Many of his desires are unattainable, but many are doable and frankly should have been done long ago. We need someone in the white house who wants to bring systematic change to American politics and I think he is the right person for the job. As long as liberals can be realistic about what is achievable then I think he would be ideal.
As for Obama, I am biased, so my answer may not reflect the majority if Americans or of Democrats, even. But I think his time in office has been largely successful. No, he didn't do absolutely everything that he said he would do, but then no one does and he had more opposition than most presidents have. I think there is far more that needs to be done and that maybe it can only be done by someone who is less contentious a figure. I wasn't one of his great supporters, but I'm happier with him now than I was when he first took office. I think he met most of my expectations, and maybe even did better than I thought someone with his experience would do. He had dreams of grandeur that no one could live up to, so in that regard I suppose he didn't meet most people's expectations. Buy I'm familiar with American politics so my expectations weren't quite do high.
-Courtney "
I think that's a balanced view of Obama, different to my own, but balanced. I never liked him or expected him to live up to the hype so I can't say I'm disappointed in him other than angry he failed to close guantanamo bay. I think he's a horrible speaker but that's because my own preference is for meaningful content over delivery, if you read transcripts of his speeches they are dire. I understand why other people like his speeches though. I can't tell you how much I cringed at those people shouting "yes we can" reminded me of brain dead crowds chanting "sieg heil". But my taste in politics wouldn't get anyone elected so hey ho. I think that if he and Hillary were white, 50-year old men then nobody would be in the least bit excited about either of them.
That said I don't see how he can be called a disaster. I think he's a lot like Cameron actually. In 15 years they will both be entirely forgettable and if you had to list 3 things either of them had achieved most people would struggle. However that's not necessarily a bad thing. In my world view, politicians generally do more harm than good so a politician that doesn't do very much can be considered a good politician. The best politicians are just those who unfuck the mistakes of their predecessor's and the worst politicians are responsible for the income differences we see between North Korea and South Korea or Mainland China and Hong Kong. In my opinion. |
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Rubio is probably the least mental of the bunch, however he's not exactly without faults IMO.
He's for abolishing abortion
Thinks the Vatican has "authority"
He doesn't belive in climate science.
And although trump would like to ban Muslims, rubio just thinks it would be much better to just kill them in more foreign wars!.
If he had to vote for a Republican I'd probably go with rand Paul, he's no ron but he's less problematic than the rest!.
They won't get in anyhow!.
Nearly every poll has democrats winning and actually most polls show a bigger win for sanders than Clinton when paired against trump or bush or Cruz |
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"Rubio is probably the least mental of the bunch, however he's not exactly without faults IMO.
He's for abolishing abortion
Thinks the Vatican has "authority"
He doesn't belive in climate science.
And although trump would like to ban Muslims, rubio just thinks it would be much better to just kill them in more foreign wars!.
If he had to vote for a Republican I'd probably go with rand Paul, he's no ron but he's less problematic than the rest!.
They won't get in anyhow!.
Nearly every poll has democrats winning and actually most polls show a bigger win for sanders than Clinton when paired against trump or bush or Cruz"
I would go with Paul, as well. But he doesn't have a chance. Like I said, I worry most about Cruz. He is smart and dangerous.
-Courtney |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No, you need not worry about Trump. But if proven head-case Merkel decides to send us members of the newly imported sex crime-loving criminal underclass she's no longer so fond of then you should be very worried, if not for yourself then for your mother, wife, sister, daughter etc. |
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"Why would we be worried? Isn't America a different country?
Even if he becomes president "big if" it won't affect us, even IF it did he can't be a bigger arsehole than David cameron."
America is the most powerful country in the world...who's in charge can affect all of us. |
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"Rubio is probably the least mental of the bunch, however he's not exactly without faults IMO.
He's for abolishing abortion
Thinks the Vatican has "authority"
He doesn't belive in climate science.
And although trump would like to ban Muslims, rubio just thinks it would be much better to just kill them in more foreign wars!.
If he had to vote for a Republican I'd probably go with rand Paul, he's no ron but he's less problematic than the rest!.
They won't get in anyhow!.
Nearly every poll has democrats winning and actually most polls show a bigger win for sanders than Clinton when paired against trump or bush or Cruz"
Yes those views sound strange to you but you are also bright enough to understand that a right wing person might also think Mr Sanders is a bit loopy for wanting a 90% marginal tax rate and opposing free trade agreements. The economic science of free trade is on par with the science of climate change, in my opinion.
However, big up to him for contesting that idiot Clinton (Bill) on repealing the Glass-Steagall act (aka the route of the 2008 financial crisis). That alone probably makes him the best candidate! |
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"Rubio is probably the least mental of the bunch, however he's not exactly without faults IMO.
He's for abolishing abortion
Thinks the Vatican has "authority"
He doesn't belive in climate science.
And although trump would like to ban Muslims, rubio just thinks it would be much better to just kill them in more foreign wars!.
If he had to vote for a Republican I'd probably go with rand Paul, he's no ron but he's less problematic than the rest!.
They won't get in anyhow!.
Nearly every poll has democrats winning and actually most polls show a bigger win for sanders than Clinton when paired against trump or bush or Cruz
Yes those views sound strange to you but you are also bright enough to understand that a right wing person might also think Mr Sanders is a bit loopy for wanting a 90% marginal tax rate and opposing free trade agreements. The economic science of free trade is on par with the science of climate change, in my opinion.
However, big up to him for contesting that idiot Clinton (Bill) on repealing the Glass-Steagall act (aka the route of the 2008 financial crisis). That alone probably makes him the best candidate! "
He isn't against free trade. That is being a bit overly simplistic. He is against specific free trade agreements. There is a difference.
-Courtney |
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"Rubio is probably the least mental of the bunch, however he's not exactly without faults IMO.
He's for abolishing abortion
Thinks the Vatican has "authority"
He doesn't belive in climate science.
And although trump would like to ban Muslims, rubio just thinks it would be much better to just kill them in more foreign wars!.
If he had to vote for a Republican I'd probably go with rand Paul, he's no ron but he's less problematic than the rest!.
They won't get in anyhow!.
Nearly every poll has democrats winning and actually most polls show a bigger win for sanders than Clinton when paired against trump or bush or Cruz
Yes those views sound strange to you but you are also bright enough to understand that a right wing person might also think Mr Sanders is a bit loopy for wanting a 90% marginal tax rate and opposing free trade agreements. The economic science of free trade is on par with the science of climate change, in my opinion.
However, big up to him for contesting that idiot Clinton (Bill) on repealing the Glass-Steagall act (aka the route of the 2008 financial crisis). That alone probably makes him the best candidate!
He isn't against free trade. That is being a bit overly simplistic. He is against specific free trade agreements. There is a difference.
-Courtney "
What is it about the ones that he disagrees with that causes him a problem? |
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"Rubio is probably the least mental of the bunch, however he's not exactly without faults IMO.
He's for abolishing abortion
Thinks the Vatican has "authority"
He doesn't belive in climate science.
And although trump would like to ban Muslims, rubio just thinks it would be much better to just kill them in more foreign wars!.
If he had to vote for a Republican I'd probably go with rand Paul, he's no ron but he's less problematic than the rest!.
They won't get in anyhow!.
Nearly every poll has democrats winning and actually most polls show a bigger win for sanders than Clinton when paired against trump or bush or Cruz
I would go with Paul, as well. But he doesn't have a chance. Like I said, I worry most about Cruz. He is smart and dangerous.
-Courtney "
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Luckily for us, it turns out he might be Canadian!
Born in Canada, mother had voting rights in Canada... I know, it's weak evidence but that didn't stop them with Obama |
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"Rubio is probably the least mental of the bunch, however he's not exactly without faults IMO.
He's for abolishing abortion
Thinks the Vatican has "authority"
He doesn't belive in climate science.
And although trump would like to ban Muslims, rubio just thinks it would be much better to just kill them in more foreign wars!.
If he had to vote for a Republican I'd probably go with rand Paul, he's no ron but he's less problematic than the rest!.
They won't get in anyhow!.
Nearly every poll has democrats winning and actually most polls show a bigger win for sanders than Clinton when paired against trump or bush or Cruz
Yes those views sound strange to you but you are also bright enough to understand that a right wing person might also think Mr Sanders is a bit loopy for wanting a 90% marginal tax rate and opposing free trade agreements. The economic science of free trade is on par with the science of climate change, in my opinion.
However, big up to him for contesting that idiot Clinton (Bill) on repealing the Glass-Steagall act (aka the route of the 2008 financial crisis). That alone probably makes him the best candidate!
He isn't against free trade. That is being a bit overly simplistic. He is against specific free trade agreements. There is a difference.
-Courtney
What is it about the ones that he disagrees with that causes him a problem? "
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I think he's opposed to the very secretive ttip agreement by virtue that it's not being very democratic, wrote by a few politicans and major conglomerates and packaged as a free trade agreement, when in reality it's a protectionist racket, just like all free trade agreements normally are!.
Free trade is a great idea but it never works in rigged markets and the whole world is a rigged market.
Just look at the steel crises..
The most productive factory's are being closed down by the least productive, China runs all its factories at massive losses, it's got nothing to do with productivity and everything to do with cost and that's just cheap labour, well that's fine I don't mind the Chinese making cheap steel at a loss for their internal market... That's their business, I'd just rather we treat their steal industry on a par with ours |
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"Rubio is probably the least mental of the bunch, however he's not exactly without faults IMO.
He's for abolishing abortion
Thinks the Vatican has "authority"
He doesn't belive in climate science.
And although trump would like to ban Muslims, rubio just thinks it would be much better to just kill them in more foreign wars!.
If he had to vote for a Republican I'd probably go with rand Paul, he's no ron but he's less problematic than the rest!.
They won't get in anyhow!.
Nearly every poll has democrats winning and actually most polls show a bigger win for sanders than Clinton when paired against trump or bush or Cruz
Yes those views sound strange to you but you are also bright enough to understand that a right wing person might also think Mr Sanders is a bit loopy for wanting a 90% marginal tax rate and opposing free trade agreements. The economic science of free trade is on par with the science of climate change, in my opinion.
However, big up to him for contesting that idiot Clinton (Bill) on repealing the Glass-Steagall act (aka the route of the 2008 financial crisis). That alone probably makes him the best candidate!
He isn't against free trade. That is being a bit overly simplistic. He is against specific free trade agreements. There is a difference.
-Courtney
What is it about the ones that he disagrees with that causes him a problem? .
I think he's opposed to the very secretive ttip agreement by virtue that it's not being very democratic, wrote by a few politicans and major conglomerates and packaged as a free trade agreement, when in reality it's a protectionist racket, just like all free trade agreements normally are!.
Free trade is a great idea but it never works in rigged markets and the whole world is a rigged market.
Just look at the steel crises..
The most productive factory's are being closed down by the least productive, China runs all its factories at massive losses, it's got nothing to do with productivity and everything to do with cost and that's just cheap labour, well that's fine I don't mind the Chinese making cheap steel at a loss for their internal market... That's their business, I'd just rather we treat their steal industry on a par with ours"
I think that's a bad analogy there. Firstly, free trade isn't unregulated trade, it's just trade without tariffs. There are laws in place to prevent dumping.
The Chinese do not routinely run those factories at a loss, the Labour is not such a huge factor in the production costs that it can account for the gap between domestic UK prices and the prices on the open market. The truth is that they've just got a lot of spare steel because their economies has slowed down so they are dumping it.
Quite why the regulators haven't done their job I'm not sure but it does seem to be a reoccurring theme... |
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If you forget cash for a min and look at man hrs...
Chinese steel uses more man hrs per tonne to produce than British factories do. Sure it costs cheaper but that's because there regulations are nothing like ours ie you wanna dangle a live cable at 100,000 volts across your factory... No problem.
You wanna pour molten metal at 4000 degrees with six foot of a guy with a pair of gloves on..can do.
The only reason there in business today is because there running at huge losses, where as UK production is getting closed down.
When/if trade picks up, the Chinese have more market!.
That's why trade tariffs don't work for the expensive countries labour force but work great for the cheap countries and the multinationals!.
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Sure, it'll get you slightly cheaper products but in reality, you'll have no industry in your own country.
Look at the US every time they've had a trade agreement they lost jobs.
Even the billionaire ross Perot who ran for president admitted that!.... Ross Perot, them were the days when you could get a billionaire running for president without mentioning Mexicans... Oh wait he did |
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"If you forget cash for a min and look at man hrs...
Chinese steel uses more man hrs per tonne to produce than British factories do. Sure it costs cheaper but that's because there regulations are nothing like ours ie you wanna dangle a live cable at 100,000 volts across your factory... No problem.
You wanna pour molten metal at 4000 degrees with six foot of a guy with a pair of gloves on..can do.
The only reason there in business today is because there running at huge losses, where as UK production is getting closed down.
When/if trade picks up, the Chinese have more market!.
That's why trade tariffs don't work for the expensive countries labour force but work great for the cheap countries and the multinationals!.
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Britain is pretty low down on the productivity rankings though and other costs of business are higher here too (compared to European countries). It has more to do with mini mills being more efficient than integrated mills than wages. |
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"Sure, it'll get you slightly cheaper products but in reality, you'll have no industry in your own country.
Look at the US every time they've had a trade agreement they lost jobs.
Even the billionaire ross Perot who ran for president admitted that!.... Ross Perot, them were the days when you could get a billionaire running for president without mentioning Mexicans... Oh wait he did "
I think you are missing the point really. Capitalism is all about creative destruction. Yes low wage jobs went abroad but new jobs were created too. That's an essential part of the process of making things cheaper. The biggest beneficiary of capitalism is the consumer. That's why I don't understand arguments about inequality, you can't deny how much the PPP of the average Joe in the west have improved in the last hundred years - look at the prices of cars and meat!! |
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"Sure, it'll get you slightly cheaper products but in reality, you'll have no industry in your own country.
Look at the US every time they've had a trade agreement they lost jobs.
Even the billionaire ross Perot who ran for president admitted that!.... Ross Perot, them were the days when you could get a billionaire running for president without mentioning Mexicans... Oh wait he did
I think you are missing the point really. Capitalism is all about creative destruction. Yes low wage jobs went abroad but new jobs were created too. That's an essential part of the process of making things cheaper. The biggest beneficiary of capitalism is the consumer. That's why I don't understand arguments about inequality, you can't deny how much the PPP of the average Joe in the west have improved in the last hundred years - look at the prices of cars and meat!! "
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Consumer... That's a thing that business or politicans rarely think about.
The consumer drives demands, the consumer creates jobs, the consumer is king...
Guess what we ain't got that's causing the world industry to contact in on itself as we speak!
Consumers, oh we got people who wanna consume, there just all full up on debt and the other half of the world don't make enough money making products for the ones in debt to consume stuff themselves..
So now the consumers are contracting so is the production as production contracts causing people to have less money thats less consuming... It's the spiral.
My politics these days is more akin to Richard Pryors Brewster's millions.
Vote none of the above!.
And that's why I'm a sanders fan, he's honest as can be, he's got thirty years experience in the business, he's genuinely interested in democracy and throwing out the invasive parasite money supply of a few billionaire investors.
Who gives a fuck whether he fucks up this or that... They all do that anyhow, if he manages to clean up politics at least a little, it will be worth it. |
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"Sure, it'll get you slightly cheaper products but in reality, you'll have no industry in your own country.
Look at the US every time they've had a trade agreement they lost jobs.
Even the billionaire ross Perot who ran for president admitted that!.... Ross Perot, them were the days when you could get a billionaire running for president without mentioning Mexicans... Oh wait he did
I think you are missing the point really. Capitalism is all about creative destruction. Yes low wage jobs went abroad but new jobs were created too. That's an essential part of the process of making things cheaper. The biggest beneficiary of capitalism is the consumer. That's why I don't understand arguments about inequality, you can't deny how much the PPP of the average Joe in the west have improved in the last hundred years - look at the prices of cars and meat!! "
Are we really better off earning more than we did 100 years ago? While our salaries went up, so did everything we buy. Someone has to pay for the salary increase, that someone is you and me and everyone else who buys stuff. Bakery workers want an increase so the price goes up, we can't afford to buy bread so we want an increase, it's a spiral and the only ones who benefit are the big bosses. No, I don't believe we are better off earning more. |
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"Sure, it'll get you slightly cheaper products but in reality, you'll have no industry in your own country.
Look at the US every time they've had a trade agreement they lost jobs.
Even the billionaire ross Perot who ran for president admitted that!.... Ross Perot, them were the days when you could get a billionaire running for president without mentioning Mexicans... Oh wait he did
I think you are missing the point really. Capitalism is all about creative destruction. Yes low wage jobs went abroad but new jobs were created too. That's an essential part of the process of making things cheaper. The biggest beneficiary of capitalism is the consumer. That's why I don't understand arguments about inequality, you can't deny how much the PPP of the average Joe in the west have improved in the last hundred years - look at the prices of cars and meat!!
Are we really better off earning more than we did 100 years ago? While our salaries went up, so did everything we buy. Someone has to pay for the salary increase, that someone is you and me and everyone else who buys stuff. Bakery workers want an increase so the price goes up, we can't afford to buy bread so we want an increase, it's a spiral and the only ones who benefit are the big bosses. No, I don't believe we are better off earning more. "
Yes we are incredibly better off. It's called productivity, when productivity improves then the same amount of money buys more goods. How many people could afford cars, foreign holidays or new clothes every year 100 years ago? Also, technological development is cumulative, meaning that once you've invented life saving drugs once, you don't have to do it twice so in our system it's very difficult to go backwards without a completely rotten government. |
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What do you like about Sanders?
I don't think Rubio has any serious chance!
How well do you believe Obama has met expectations? "
see i was having this conversation with friends and before he veered so far to the right, if you had said say clinton vs chris christie.... could have seen myself voting for christie...
the problem is that anyone moderate has been torn so far to the right by trump and cruz.... this left leaning independant couldn't think about doing that now...
i think clinton being dragged to the left by sanders isn't that bad actually.... especially since you can now absolutely see elizabeth warren being the running mate for both a sanders or clinton..
i have been so impressed with sanders... just the fact that the man just cannot be bought by lobbyists and isn't beholdened to the big backers.... his radical ideas aren't really that radical when you look at it from a european prospective...
he wants a single payers healthcare system.... we have one of them... its call the nhs
he wants free tuition for university
he wants a minimum wage of 15 dollars per hour by 2020..... (just above what the tories here are doing with the NLW)
heck... even his tax proposals are no worse than what reagan set out in the 80's...... |
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oooh... the obama expectations questions...
in the first 2 years.... yep... basically got what he had to thru...
the last 6 has had the republicans in congress basically blocking everything he proposes........ |
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What do you like about Sanders?
I don't think Rubio has any serious chance!
How well do you believe Obama has met expectations?
see i was having this conversation with friends and before he veered so far to the right, if you had said say clinton vs chris christie.... could have seen myself voting for christie...
the problem is that anyone moderate has been torn so far to the right by trump and cruz.... this left leaning independant couldn't think about doing that now...
i think clinton being dragged to the left by sanders isn't that bad actually.... especially since you can now absolutely see elizabeth warren being the running mate for both a sanders or clinton..
i have been so impressed with sanders... just the fact that the man just cannot be bought by lobbyists and isn't beholdened to the big backers.... his radical ideas aren't really that radical when you look at it from a european prospective...
he wants a single payers healthcare system.... we have one of them... its call the nhs
he wants free tuition for university
he wants a minimum wage of 15 dollars per hour by 2020..... (just above what the tories here are doing with the NLW)
heck... even his tax proposals are no worse than what reagan set out in the 80's......"
The 90% tax rate is quite french too
Shame he's another career politician with no significant achieves outside of politics. |
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"Sure, it'll get you slightly cheaper products but in reality, you'll have no industry in your own country.
Look at the US every time they've had a trade agreement they lost jobs.
Even the billionaire ross Perot who ran for president admitted that!.... Ross Perot, them were the days when you could get a billionaire running for president without mentioning Mexicans... Oh wait he did
I think you are missing the point really. Capitalism is all about creative destruction. Yes low wage jobs went abroad but new jobs were created too. That's an essential part of the process of making things cheaper. The biggest beneficiary of capitalism is the consumer. That's why I don't understand arguments about inequality, you can't deny how much the PPP of the average Joe in the west have improved in the last hundred years - look at the prices of cars and meat!!
Are we really better off earning more than we did 100 years ago? While our salaries went up, so did everything we buy. Someone has to pay for the salary increase, that someone is you and me and everyone else who buys stuff. Bakery workers want an increase so the price goes up, we can't afford to buy bread so we want an increase, it's a spiral and the only ones who benefit are the big bosses. No, I don't believe we are better off earning more.
Yes we are incredibly better off. It's called productivity, when productivity improves then the same amount of money buys more goods. How many people could afford cars, foreign holidays or new clothes every year 100 years ago? Also, technological development is cumulative, meaning that once you've invented life saving drugs once, you don't have to do it twice so in our system it's very difficult to go backwards without a completely rotten government. "
national debt of 1.56 trillion yes we're doing well! So why are we in so much debt? We hardly export anything we buy everything from abroad,the nhs is on its ass! the amount benefits claimed is off the scale and the councils cannot build houses quick enough to cope with the demand of people not working or single moms immigration etc so how are we better off realistically? Civil war is coming,almost everyone is stressed with work and maybe in debt so what's the point for the working person?? |
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Just guessing no one has absolutely no idea about anything to do with Donald trump... Just what they are seeing on the news and on social media... Well informed opinions about a subject on American politics that have absolutely no bearing on thier lives... bet half don't even know as much about thier own countries politics... Or that of Europe... But if it's in the news... Everyone gets an opinion... And most are judging it on the media's portrayal of him.... |
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The 90% tax rate is quite french too
Shame he's another career politician with no significant achieves outside of politics."
people like quoting the "90% tax rate thing"
hate to disappoint you..... its a myth
the highest rate he has proposed is 52% and even that's only on anything above 10 million
so would you like to "walk back your claims"....... |
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What do you like about Sanders?
I don't think Rubio has any serious chance!
How well do you believe Obama has met expectations?
see i was having this conversation with friends and before he veered so far to the right, if you had said say clinton vs chris christie.... could have seen myself voting for christie...
the problem is that anyone moderate has been torn so far to the right by trump and cruz.... this left leaning independant couldn't think about doing that now...
i think clinton being dragged to the left by sanders isn't that bad actually.... especially since you can now absolutely see elizabeth warren being the running mate for both a sanders or clinton..
i have been so impressed with sanders... just the fact that the man just cannot be bought by lobbyists and isn't beholdened to the big backers.... his radical ideas aren't really that radical when you look at it from a european prospective...
he wants a single payers healthcare system.... we have one of them... its call the nhs
he wants free tuition for university
he wants a minimum wage of 15 dollars per hour by 2020..... (just above what the tories here are doing with the NLW)
heck... even his tax proposals are no worse than what reagan set out in the 80's......
The 90% tax rate is quite french too
Shame he's another career politician with no significant achieves outside of politics."
What is wrong with being a career politician? Trump is a business man who shows his lack of political knowledge at every turn. Carson is a neurosurgeon who clearly isn't qualified to speak on any political matters. Being a career politician doesn't equate to "bad."
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The 90% tax rate is quite french too
Shame he's another career politician with no significant achieves outside of politics.
people like quoting the "90% tax rate thing"
hate to disappoint you..... its a myth
the highest rate he has proposed is 52% and even that's only on anything above 10 million
so would you like to "walk back your claims"......."
Well he does that Jeremy Corbyn trick of telling you everything that's wrong with the world but not what he'd do about it, he refuses to release a tax plan which is laughable really. But he did tell John Harwood that a 90% rate isn't too high so it's not a complete myth. |
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What do you like about Sanders?
I don't think Rubio has any serious chance!
How well do you believe Obama has met expectations?
see i was having this conversation with friends and before he veered so far to the right, if you had said say clinton vs chris christie.... could have seen myself voting for christie...
the problem is that anyone moderate has been torn so far to the right by trump and cruz.... this left leaning independant couldn't think about doing that now...
i think clinton being dragged to the left by sanders isn't that bad actually.... especially since you can now absolutely see elizabeth warren being the running mate for both a sanders or clinton..
i have been so impressed with sanders... just the fact that the man just cannot be bought by lobbyists and isn't beholdened to the big backers.... his radical ideas aren't really that radical when you look at it from a european prospective...
he wants a single payers healthcare system.... we have one of them... its call the nhs
he wants free tuition for university
he wants a minimum wage of 15 dollars per hour by 2020..... (just above what the tories here are doing with the NLW)
heck... even his tax proposals are no worse than what reagan set out in the 80's......
The 90% tax rate is quite french too
Shame he's another career politician with no significant achieves outside of politics.
What is wrong with being a career politician? Trump is a business man who shows his lack of political knowledge at every turn. Carson is a neurosurgeon who clearly isn't qualified to speak on any political matters. Being a career politician doesn't equate to "bad."
-Courtney"
In my experience I've never seen a career politician talk any sense about economic matters. Given that learning is the process of better connecting neurons by insulating synapses in the brain with myelin, then it's fairly unlikely a career politician would ever be good at economics. |
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"I'll say what I say on all of these threads...there are far more interesting and viable people running for president than Trump, and I have yet to see a 'Sanders' thread or even a 'Rubio' thread.
Seems to me that conservative Americans are not the only ones obsessed with Trump.
-Courtney "
Bernie has had his own thread.
A lot of Brits are interested in US politics, not for the substance of it, but because it's so bat shit crazy.
I do quit like the substance, but the pantomime is what originally drew me to it. |
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What do you like about Sanders?
I don't think Rubio has any serious chance!
How well do you believe Obama has met expectations?
see i was having this conversation with friends and before he veered so far to the right, if you had said say clinton vs chris christie.... could have seen myself voting for christie...
the problem is that anyone moderate has been torn so far to the right by trump and cruz.... this left leaning independant couldn't think about doing that now...
i think clinton being dragged to the left by sanders isn't that bad actually.... especially since you can now absolutely see elizabeth warren being the running mate for both a sanders or clinton..
i have been so impressed with sanders... just the fact that the man just cannot be bought by lobbyists and isn't beholdened to the big backers.... his radical ideas aren't really that radical when you look at it from a european prospective...
he wants a single payers healthcare system.... we have one of them... its call the nhs
he wants free tuition for university
he wants a minimum wage of 15 dollars per hour by 2020..... (just above what the tories here are doing with the NLW)
heck... even his tax proposals are no worse than what reagan set out in the 80's......
The 90% tax rate is quite french too
Shame he's another career politician with no significant achieves outside of politics.
What is wrong with being a career politician? Trump is a business man who shows his lack of political knowledge at every turn. Carson is a neurosurgeon who clearly isn't qualified to speak on any political matters. Being a career politician doesn't equate to "bad."
-Courtney
In my experience I've never seen a career politician talk any sense about economic matters. Given that learning is the process of better connecting neurons by insulating synapses in the brain with myelin, then it's fairly unlikely a career politician would ever be good at economics. "
I've heard some politicians talk sense on economics. But either way, that is why they have advisors. To be fair, I haven't heard much sense on economics from economists, either |
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The 90% tax rate is quite french too
Shame he's another career politician with no significant achieves outside of politics.
people like quoting the "90% tax rate thing"
hate to disappoint you..... its a myth
the highest rate he has proposed is 52% and even that's only on anything above 10 million
so would you like to "walk back your claims".......
Well he does that Jeremy Corbyn trick of telling you everything that's wrong with the world but not what he'd do about it, he refuses to release a tax plan which is laughable really. But he did tell John Harwood that a 90% rate isn't too high so it's not a complete myth. "
he HAS release a tax plan.... did it last weekend before the last democratic debate.......
so again....... care to walk it back? |
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The 90% tax rate is quite french too
Shame he's another career politician with no significant achieves outside of politics.
people like quoting the "90% tax rate thing"
hate to disappoint you..... its a myth
the highest rate he has proposed is 52% and even that's only on anything above 10 million
so would you like to "walk back your claims".......
Well he does that Jeremy Corbyn trick of telling you everything that's wrong with the world but not what he'd do about it, he refuses to release a tax plan which is laughable really. But he did tell John Harwood that a 90% rate isn't too high so it's not a complete myth.
he HAS release a tax plan.... did it last weekend before the last democratic debate.......
so again....... care to walk it back? "
Fair enough, I was only going on what I read, it's not a conspiracy I started!! |
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What do you like about Sanders?
I don't think Rubio has any serious chance!
How well do you believe Obama has met expectations?
see i was having this conversation with friends and before he veered so far to the right, if you had said say clinton vs chris christie.... could have seen myself voting for christie...
the problem is that anyone moderate has been torn so far to the right by trump and cruz.... this left leaning independant couldn't think about doing that now...
i think clinton being dragged to the left by sanders isn't that bad actually.... especially since you can now absolutely see elizabeth warren being the running mate for both a sanders or clinton..
i have been so impressed with sanders... just the fact that the man just cannot be bought by lobbyists and isn't beholdened to the big backers.... his radical ideas aren't really that radical when you look at it from a european prospective...
he wants a single payers healthcare system.... we have one of them... its call the nhs
he wants free tuition for university
he wants a minimum wage of 15 dollars per hour by 2020..... (just above what the tories here are doing with the NLW)
heck... even his tax proposals are no worse than what reagan set out in the 80's......
The 90% tax rate is quite french too
Shame he's another career politician with no significant achieves outside of politics.
What is wrong with being a career politician? Trump is a business man who shows his lack of political knowledge at every turn. Carson is a neurosurgeon who clearly isn't qualified to speak on any political matters. Being a career politician doesn't equate to "bad."
-Courtney
In my experience I've never seen a career politician talk any sense about economic matters. Given that learning is the process of better connecting neurons by insulating synapses in the brain with myelin, then it's fairly unlikely a career politician would ever be good at economics.
I've heard some politicians talk sense on economics. But either way, that is why they have advisors. To be fair, I haven't heard much sense on economics from economists, either "
Well I agree you shouldn't ask economists about economics. Unfortunately the advisors tend to be shit because they are economists. Ironically, Jeremy Corbyn has a pretty good one on his panel, doesn't sound like he listens to him though. Or maybe he does and just doesn't understand it but six of one and half a dozen of the other.
Modern economics is frankly, a joke. Much like the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is not the end of the country you want to end up in (that's the name for North Korea and it ain't democratic), sticking feathers up your but does not make you a chicken. However the classical economists are good, if a little dead. But really just listen to leading business men on the subject (e.g. Warren Buffet) |
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The top level tax in the US was over 85% during those great years between 47-60..
That period was actually the biggest growth period in US history!.
Of course the fact that the US was the Saudi Arabia of world oil production between 1920-60 had more to do with it... But high level tax's certainly didn't do any harm.
This modern myth of high level personal tax, high corporation tax and trickle down wealth.. It's all bullshit that was introduced through huge amounts of bribery into American politics... Ronald Reagan's economic adviser in 81 wrote down his theory for trickle down economics on a napkin and Reagan bought it over one 30 minute meeting!! Yeah right!.
Reagan was shoe horned into power by the wealthy for the fucking wealthy...
Money does what money does... If you go around listening to wealthy people for advise you'll get some buy it will be tainted with their own bullshit, just like working class people taint stuff with their bullshit.
George bush, Barack Obama and both the Clinton's have waaay more in common with Putin than they do with working class Americans.
Nothing in life comes free but the stuff that's there certainly doesn't get divided that well. Do I think billionaires should get taxed more, hell yeah but in the same boat I think there's some pretty work shy fuckers around!.
Getting the balance to encouraging people to work while providing them with safety nets is a fine balancing act... But let's face facts the politicans for 40 years have done a woeful fucking job of it both left wing and right wing!.
I really don't know when we got to the stage that some shitty half wit footballer can get 300k a week or some two bit fucking tool singer with 3 half decent albums can amount 80 million quid.. Or write a few popular books about a wizard and you get a billion quid.. But I do know it won't last much longer.
Take a good long look in detail..
All lines are converging to meet at a glorious peak and.. Kaaboom .
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ha now decided to boycott the last republican debate tomorrow night before iowa over a dispute with Fox News.....
just the fact he hates fox news this much would have been a strong factor... if he wasn't batshit crazy!!!!!  |
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"ha now decided to boycott the last republican debate tomorrow night before iowa over a dispute with Fox News.....
just the fact he hates fox news this much would have been a strong factor... if he wasn't batshit crazy!!!!! "
playing the 'victim' card..? |
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"ha now decided to boycott the last republican debate tomorrow night before iowa over a dispute with Fox News.....
just the fact he hates fox news this much would have been a strong factor... if he wasn't batshit crazy!!!!! "
Hates Fox?
He is a nice guy??
I can't help feeling there must be a reason for it me thinks? |
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"ha now decided to boycott the last republican debate tomorrow night before iowa over a dispute with Fox News.....
just the fact he hates fox news this much would have been a strong factor... if he wasn't batshit crazy!!!!!
Hates Fox?
He is a nice guy??
I can't help feeling there must be a reason for it me thinks? "
yes.... he hates megyn kelly..... who he has had numerous disputes with in the past... and is due to be one of moderators for the debate tomorrow...
she went after him hard in one of the first debates.. and it didn't go unnoticed...
trump complained.. some people complained... he called her some not nice things.... she called him some not nice things..... and so on!!!
if you asked me if i disliked trump as much as kelly..... that might be a push... |
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"ha now decided to boycott the last republican debate tomorrow night before iowa over a dispute with Fox News.....
just the fact he hates fox news this much would have been a strong factor... if he wasn't batshit crazy!!!!!
Hates Fox?
He is a nice guy??
I can't help feeling there must be a reason for it me thinks?
yes.... he hates megyn kelly..... who he has had numerous disputes with in the past... and is due to be one of moderators for the debate tomorrow...
she went after him hard in one of the first debates.. and it didn't go unnoticed...
trump complained.. some people complained... he called her some not nice things.... she called him some not nice things..... and so on!!!
if you asked me if i disliked trump as much as kelly..... that might be a push... "
Trump complaining about other people being offensive! Oh the irony.
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I do not like Trump. However I do acknowledge that the man is very clever, supremely smooth operator who has amassed a huge fortune and outmanoeuvred every attempt to bring him down.
I for one would not write him off as a serious contender for the White House. |
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"I do not like Trump. However I do acknowledge that the man is very clever, supremely smooth operator who has amassed a huge fortune and outmanoeuvred every attempt to bring him down.
I for one would not write him off as a serious contender for the White House. "
He was born into money and hasn't squandered it all. That's better than some but I wouldn't say he's a runaway success story. Better than Carly Fiorina though. |
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"I do not like Trump. However I do acknowledge that the man is very clever, supremely smooth operator who has amassed a huge fortune and outmanoeuvred every attempt to bring him down.
I for one would not write him off as a serious contender for the White House.
He was born into money and hasn't squandered it all. That's better than some but I wouldn't say he's a runaway success story. Better than Carly Fiorina though. "
Woah woah woah... Born into money, hardly! All he got from his father was "a small loan of one million dollars"... Truly an underdog story  |
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"I do not like Trump. However I do acknowledge that the man is very clever, supremely smooth operator who has amassed a huge fortune and outmanoeuvred every attempt to bring him down.
I for one would not write him off as a serious contender for the White House.
He was born into money and hasn't squandered it all. That's better than some but I wouldn't say he's a runaway success story. Better than Carly Fiorina though. "
He inherited wealth but made himself more wealthy on the back of large subsidies from the City of New York.
I want HRC to be shouting "Welfare Queen" by the end of the month!
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"I'll say what I say on all of these threads...there are far more interesting and viable people running for president than Trump, and I have yet to see a 'Sanders' thread or even a 'Rubio' thread.
Seems to me that conservative Americans are not the only ones obsessed with Trump.
-Courtney
they probably have no clue who marco is.... but eagily awaiting the ben carson thread....
so did you watch the youtube debate.... did you see the DNC are now so panicked about bernie winning both iowa and new hampshire that they "persuaded" CNN to squeeze in an unscheduled debate to try and help hilary... tuesday morning 2am
ooooh..... and the latest bernie ad.... spectactular... almost has me reaching for the donate button (still not done it yet but getting awfully close now)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nwRiuh1Cug"
Hilary is liable to be indicted on charges. So her ability to be elected is questionable at best. They keep finding more and more items that were top secret and above top secret on her home servers. So short of a brokered election. ( which would make Biden a possibility still.) Bernie could when the democratic nomination.
As far as Trump goes, even if he signed an agreement saying he wouldn't run as an independent. If the republican party doesn't run things fairly, he will say the broke the agreement first, still run and cost them the election.
All we can say is it's going to be an interesting election cycle. |
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