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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

real or fake ? i believe some truth in them x

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

The vast, vast majority are fake.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Talented fakery

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bullshit...check out the rinsing of psychic sally. Dara o briain did an ace piece on it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Every single one without question is a money grabbing scammer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or watch the derren brown clip where he fakes it. Has everone in tears then admits its all bullshit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Deception.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am getting the word NONCE

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Charlatans each and every one of them..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I met a smiling clairvoyant. I smaked her in the face. Well my dad said you should always strike a happy medium.

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By *ab femWoman over a year ago

Ayrshire

If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

No truth all trickery and most dishonest that they fraudulently pretend they are getting their information (correct and made up) from a dead soul from the victims past

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

If Colin Fry gets in touch I will be convinced that he at least was genuine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved "

they are doing it to mislead the bereaved.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved "

They do it to manipulate

Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All the ones on TVs are fake. There are genuine ones out here that only wish to help with no money changing hands

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved "

Doesn't make them any less fake. Just that what they get out of it isn't money.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

yes ive been to see non fee charging ones are were SPOT ON x

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"All the ones on TVs are fake. There are genuine ones out here that only wish to help with no money changing hands "

There are but they are rarer than compassion on an internet forum. I question their source of information too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Go-ogle " Cold Reading"

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By *ab femWoman over a year ago

Ayrshire

"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved

They do it to manipulate

Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways "

Why would they want to manipulate?

Can people not do something in this world nowadays without some ulterior motive

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

and i believe there is a after life too

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By *uthTVDerbysTV/TS over a year ago

Derby

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved

They do it to manipulate

Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways

Why would they want to manipulate?

Can people not do something in this world nowadays without some ulterior motive "

There are a thousand reasons. Here are some:

They feel empowered

They feel important

They feel they are helping the bereaved

They enjoy it

They believe in their 'ability'

None of those things makes them any less fake than someone who charges money for the same fakery.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"and i believe there is a after life too

Well you are free to do so. However, it is not a rational belief.

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS over a year ago

Larne

"real or fake ? i believe some truth in them x "

Charlatans that take advantage of pols sorry and fragile state of mind

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By *hloe sussexTV/TS over a year ago

Larne

"real or fake ? i believe some truth in them x

Charlatans that take advantage of pols sorry and fragile state of mind"
grrr hate spell check that's ppls sorrow

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By *ab femWoman over a year ago

Ayrshire

"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved

They do it to manipulate

Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways

Why would they want to manipulate?

Can people not do something in this world nowadays without some ulterior motive

There are a thousand reasons. Here are some:

They feel empowered

They feel important

They feel they are helping the bereaved

They enjoy it

They believe in their 'ability'

None of those things makes them any less fake than someone who charges money for the same fakery."

Yes I agree with you that a lot of supposed mediums are fake and probably for those reasons but I also believe there are real ones out there.

It's so easy to cold read someone so there are plenty of fakes out there but if they are genuine they would be able to tell you things they couldn't possibly know through fudbook or watching your reactions.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

"If you go to a psychic church they aren't doing it for money. They are doing it to give comfort to the bereaved

They do it to manipulate

Comfort can be better given in a vast number of honest caring ways

Why would they want to manipulate?

Can people not do something in this world nowadays without some ulterior motive

There are a thousand reasons. Here are some:

They feel empowered

They feel important

They feel they are helping the bereaved

They enjoy it

They believe in their 'ability'

None of those things makes them any less fake than someone who charges money for the same fakery.

Yes I agree with you that a lot of supposed mediums are fake and probably for those reasons but I also believe there are real ones out there.

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

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By *ab femWoman over a year ago

Ayrshire

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience."

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

What insult?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

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this goes for me too x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

What insult?"

Quite. There was no insult.

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By *ab femWoman over a year ago

Ayrshire

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

What insult?"

I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

when my mate went his car brokedown on the way

you would have thought she'd have seen it coming

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By *dwalu2Couple over a year ago

Bristol

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

What insult?

I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience? "

Because they are not impartial observers. They are people who have gone to a clairvoyant expecting to hear something, and believe that they will hear something.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

ive witnessed sceptics become believers too x

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By *uthTVDerbysTV/TS over a year ago

Derby

My late mother was a Clairvoyant and a contortionist. As a result she was able to foresee her own end.

Psychic Sally was exposed years ago as a fake (one of many) but because people are much more gullible and keen to hang on to anything after a bereavement then they'll overlook facts if it means getting some kind of solace no matter what. And that's why I have no truck with them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There a few good ones and I've had amazing readings and some were crap and could tell reading my reactions .

Feel free to insult as I don't care ,I also believe on ghosts and the afterlife.

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By *ab femWoman over a year ago

Ayrshire

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

What insult?

I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience?

Because they are not impartial observers. They are people who have gone to a clairvoyant expecting to hear something, and believe that they will hear something."

Yes I agree with that but some of the things I have heard from people to myself and others are so specific they couldn't have possibly have known.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

What insult?

I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience?

Because they are not impartial observers. They are people who have gone to a clairvoyant expecting to hear something, and believe that they will hear something.

Yes I agree with that but some of the things I have heard from people to myself and others are so specific they couldn't have possibly have known. "
same with me too they couldnt possibly have known i also have faith in the tarrot too and regularly deal myself a hand x

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By *tarbeckCouple over a year ago

york

We had one in York years ago she didnt take money but enjoyed the odd tipple , she was amazeing some of the things she told me nobody knew

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All the ones on TVs are fake. There are genuine ones out here that only wish to help with no money changing hands "

If a supposed clairvoyant thinks they're helping then they're deluded and he they're not making money from it then they're stupid too

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

Derren brown convinces people he knows things about themselves that no one could ever know . He just does not pretend he is talking to non existent dead people

He is not the only one with the knowledge xx

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By *tarbeckCouple over a year ago

york

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

Derren brown convinces people he knows things about themselves that no one could ever know . He just does not pretend he is talking to non existent dead people

He is not the only one with the knowledge xx

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How did she know i would get pregnant three times but only carry one full term , was it a lucky guess ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

What insult?

I picked your post up wrong then sorry. Why wouldn't they be the best judge of their experience?

Because they are not impartial observers. They are people who have gone to a clairvoyant expecting to hear something, and believe that they will hear something.

Yes I agree with that but some of the things I have heard from people to myself and others are so specific they couldn't have possibly have known. same with me too they couldnt possibly have known i also have faith in the tarrot too and regularly deal myself a hand x

It is obvious you want to be convinced ? Because you have been convinced by a person Who has trained for many years specifically to convince people they know things that supposedly could not be known. I would take a little more convincing . I would need to have a closed environment where specific questions were asked as apposed to information given

I convince many people each year I have knowledge they think I could not know and it's great to watch as they cannot fathom my ability

But then I tell them xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

the mediums ive encountered are humble run of the mill folk wanting to help people there not stage clairvoyants and havnt spent years studying claivoyantcy there just mr or mrs jo bloggs next door type x

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

Derren brown convinces people he knows things about themselves that no one could ever know . He just does not pretend he is talking to non existent dead people

He is not the only one with the knowledge xx

How did she know i would get pregnant three times but only carry one full term , was it a lucky guess ?"

If you're convinced, the science , psychology and maths won't mean anything to you . So to be clear you are convinced she KNEW those future events would absolutely happen and it had been pre destined xx interesting gift testable too xx

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"the mediums ive encountered are humble run of the mill folk wanting to help people there not stage clairvoyants and havnt spent years studying claivoyantcy there just mr or mrs jo bloggs next door type x

No one pretending to talk to dead people are humble xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

No one pretending to talk to dead people are humble xx"
this is a matter of opinion and im entitled to mine as you are yours

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By *uthTVDerbysTV/TS over a year ago

Derby

People who believe a clairvoyant has given them information that was impossible to know are not the best judges of their experience.

Right

thanks for the insult

I'm not explaining the reason why I believe there are real mediums out there but I do. I'm sane of mind and know what I believe to be true.

Derren brown convinces people he knows things about themselves that no one could ever know . He just does not pretend he is talking to non existent dead people

He is not the only one with the knowledge xx

Darren Brown rubbishes clairvoyants. Quite rightly. And I have every respect for him for doing that.

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By *eforfuncplCouple over a year ago

Morecambe

Never say never X

There's something mysterious X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never say never X

There's something mysterious X

"
Your right i dont know what to think and about god too I really dont so I keep a open mind on it all in hope one day I may find out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like to keep an open mind on these things as 'the truth is out there' according to Mulder and Scully

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

No one pretending to talk to dead people are humble xxthis is a matter of opinion and im entitled to mine as you are yours

This is most true x

So I ask this hypothetical question , if I was right and all clairvoyants are only pretending to talk to the dead , what would your opinion of their deception be?

I will reverse the question to myself

IF a minority of clairvoyants could really talk to ex humans and indeed have insight into things we cannot discover for ourselves I would be furious that such a talent was not being used for police and military work . Discovering where terrorists are where murderers and rapists are where bodies are . Where danger is present . Instead of just , merely only offering slight comfort to the bereaved why a honest claivoyantcy would not daily prove their connection by preventing harm and finding bad people

The very knowledge itself that people actually could do this would prevent some crime

The validity of the skill would be beyond question there is zero need for any genuine clairvoyant to live in a realm of ambiguity proving such an ability would be so easy

The total lack of any human who makes such claims , passing any validity test leads us to a reasoned conclusion there is very very little chance of plausibility xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Charlatans each and every one of them..

That can't be true, haven't you seen 'Ghost'??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I went to see a clairvoyant once, she opened with "now you probably aren't going to believe this" and I thought maybe there is something to this after all......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I once took a phone message from one for a flatmate of mine. She rang to cancel their appointment due to 'unforseen circumstances.' I peed my pants laughing when I passed that message on!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Fakes who play on people beliefs for money.

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By *aul_the_nudistMan over a year ago

WREXHAM

"I am getting the word NONCE "

Phoenix Nights....brilliant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

my beliefs remain unaltered and have found proof myself along with many other sane human beings x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've seen some good ones and bad ones.

I believe in the afterlife and have personally seen ghosts in the past.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages "

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Against the tide of criticism here.

I did tarot cards years ago. Never again.

Nah, it is not science, as science is about theories and repeatable and evidentially visible results.

Yes, there are some genuine spiritualists. Yes, there are some fakes.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion"
the most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusionthe most common one of these is seeing faces appearing in patterns yes ur right ur brain does to try to make sense out of what may seem chaos however the spirit is unmistakable once experienced x

I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxx

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex human

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxx"
a true sceptic no doubt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've always wondered why they only seem to make "contact" with close family e.g parents, grandparents.

I'd be much more interested to hear what my great great grandparents had to say if I had a reading.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion"

Please don't tell me what you think I may or may not have seen. I and other family members have seen many things in our house. Lots at the same time .

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion

Please don't tell me what you think I may or may not have seen. I and other family members have seen many things in our house. Lots at the same time ."
me and my friends have witnessed similar on many occation all sane all sober and TRUE !

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

Optical illusions are not perceivable if one has no indication that it is an illusion

Please don't tell me what you think I may or may not have seen. I and other family members have seen many things in our house. Lots at the same time ."

Explain to me what seeing is ?

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By *endrix30Man over a year ago

dudley

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxx"
Many people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

I'd agree it's unmistakable, I've experienced what could be termed spirit thousands of times and it is unmistakeably a manifestation from my neurons xxxMany people experience spiritual happenings that are real and nothing to do with neurons. Your _iew is narrow minded and lacking open minded intelligent thinking."
too right im glad someone else sees this too x

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

I have mentioned this before. I used to wish an early morning cleaner "good morning" every day at my place of work. I didn't see him for some time then one morning he was standing in reception I spoke but he didn't answer, that evening I saw him riding his bike home.

Next day I said to a colleague I was glad he was back and they told me he had died six weeks before.

I can only say what I saw, not what I think I saw or wanted to see but what I actually saw. I have no explanation and won't attempt to offer one.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?"

And your evidence that they are is?

You are misconceiving the fundamental ground of science.

That is fine. Do not cast aside perception.

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By *endrix30Man over a year ago

dudley

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?"
A Phd in physics so i have plenty of understanding of how the brain works and have researched the topic that is under discussion for almost 40 years. And your qualification is?

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

All these tarot cards and other forms of reading or divination - it's you.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

Lol aw thank you for the ad hominem xxx

So you tell a wild , non substantiated statistically implausible explanation for something your mind has experienced. I doubt not your experience. I question your conclusion but not your intelligence

And your me not accepting your one steadfast conclusion is evidence to you me my lack of open mind or intelligence

I don't know what you saw, or how or where or any of the vast number of circumstances

I have the open mind to realise it could be any number of plausible explanations

There is zero data to mildly suggest a human continues after its death , and to simply attribute visual input of something unknown as an absolute proof of a mythical concept is beyond what I'm able to do

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"All these tarot cards and other forms of reading or divination - it's you. "

Yes! I wish people would realise the power they hold within their selves

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

Lol aw thank you for the ad hominem xxx

So you tell a wild , non substantiated statistically implausible explanation for something your mind has experienced. I doubt not your experience. I question your conclusion but not your intelligence

And your me not accepting your one steadfast conclusion is evidence to you me my lack of open mind or intelligence

I don't know what you saw, or how or where or any of the vast number of circumstances

I have the open mind to realise it could be any number of plausible explanations

"
that is just a load of gobbldy goop ,your beliefs and ours differ so stop trying to convert us

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?

And your evidence that they are is?

You are misconceiving the fundamental ground of science.

That is fine. Do not cast aside perception."

A vast resource of Brain surgical procedures, brain traumas and of course drugs

Not sure I cast aside perception , I'd say that's exactly what I'm discussing , how the neurons that are you perceive the world and the way the interface constructs that image ?

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

Lol aw thank you for the ad hominem xxx

So you tell a wild , non substantiated statistically implausible explanation for something your mind has experienced. I doubt not your experience. I question your conclusion but not your intelligence

And your me not accepting your one steadfast conclusion is evidence to you me my lack of open mind or intelligence

I don't know what you saw, or how or where or any of the vast number of circumstances

I have the open mind to realise it could be any number of plausible explanations

that is just a load of gobbldy goop ,your beliefs and ours differ so stop trying to convert us "

I would not try to convert you

I'm saying your conviction is not convincing . Glad your happy with your conclusion but declaring what your mind has perceived in an open forum suggesting it is conclusive does not make it so just as me articulating why you are not convincing does not prove ghosts are not real

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?A Phd in physics so i have plenty of understanding of how the brain works and have researched the topic that is under discussion for almost 40 years. And your qualification is? "

Oh, a Phd in physics. Great. Does that make you insensitive to anything that does not fall within your discipline?

I do understand the scientific approach. I just think it is a bit limiting.

No. I have no science qualifications. So you can of course disregard my comments and rely instead on your comfy conclusions.

On the other hand, if qualifications are of significance to you, I do have one or two.

I think you are missing the point. Science attempts to theorise observable and repeatable events. That is good. Science disregards belief and odd experiences.

A scientist, however, should be open minded.

Your Phd should not in any way make you close minded. It should make you the opposite.

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By *ensualtouch15Man over a year ago

ashby de la zouch

"Some seem to have a gift of some sorts, some read people well and are fake.

BTW. I see dead people but they don't talk to me or pass on messages

Although I doubt not that you're convinced you see things that you decide are ex humans

I also have little doubt that you have not actually seen an ex living thing

The brain is a pattern recogniser and will always try to make sense out of non sense

And your evidence that neurons and light are not the causation of a spiritual feeling is ?

And your evidence that they are is?

You are misconceiving the fundamental ground of science.

That is fine. Do not cast aside perception.

A vast resource of Brain surgical procedures, brain traumas and of course drugs

Not sure I cast aside perception , I'd say that's exactly what I'm discussing , how the neurons that are you perceive the world and the way the interface constructs that image ?"

Oh that and over a million documented optical and aural illusion experiments

Shall we start with ink blot butterflies.. or the hollow mask effect, maybe a few perspective illusions

Surely if one had an open mind one would have to rule out the many many differing ways our mind can misperceive light and sound before one ventured to statistically less plausible realms