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Anyone help my daughter out. She won't go to bed till she understands. History is not my subject.
How far do you agree that Haig was the butcher of the Somme?
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Arguably Haig does deserve his nickname. This is because Haig sent thousands of men to their deaths continuously after his war efforts seemed not to be working. For instance 60,000 soldiers died in the first day alone in the battle of the Somme. The reason that so many people died was that Haig ordered his men to walk across no-mans land. They were easy targets for the German machine guns. However Haig assisted Britain in winning the war and although he did so with tremendous loss of life, these men did not die pointlessly. They died to protect their families and everyone else on the home front, and they died to prevent Britain from becoming a German Nation.
Haig was also faced with an almost impossible task of winning the war in the quickest means possible. Haig was under constant pressure from the government to have a large victory to boost morale. This factor as well as the fact that Haig was not used to the tactics of a war of attrition may have caused Haig to act rashly and therefore if he was not under so much pressure he may have acted differently. Haig was also fed false Intel that was meant to boost morale. Haig was advised that his seven day artillery bombardment had proven to be successful (the aim of the bombardment was to brake all the barbed wire and kill most of the Germans in the trenches) therefore he ordered his men to walk across no-mans land and look for mines. This shows that he thought about what to do and what was in the best interest for his men as there was no point in telling his men to run across no-mans land to be blown up by mines.
It is debatable that Haig deserves his nickname as, while his men are starving in the cold and muddy trench, Haig is sipping French wine in cosy château miles away from the fighting. This shows that he only cared for himself, not for the hard fighting soldiers. Haig did not spend his time on the front line with his men, but stayed away from the direct fighting. This was done not so he could live a luxurious life, but so he was able to see a further stretch of the trenches and plan his tactics accordingly. This is compared to being on the front line and only seeing a small area of the battle field and would therefore have less well planned tactics as they would only take a small proportion of the trenches into account. Hence Haig was acting well in his role, rather being ‘the butcher of the Somme’ as he positioned himself in a position where he could have an overview of the whole battlefield. This resulted in the best planned tactics in the given circumstances. Also, if Haig was in the front line of the Trenches then there was a higher risk of him being killed and then the army would be in a much worse state than actually being in the state they were in when General Haig was in charge.
Haig was in a lose lose position, as, in the circumstances the only way in which he could win was through mass casualties as that was what a war of attrition was reduced to and he would be held responsible for the deaths. While if Haig lost he would be responsible for loosing the war and would receive excessive abuse for all the men that died. Therefore either way Haig would be considered a ‘butcher’.
In conclusion I believe that Haig does not deserve his title of ‘the butcher of the Somme’. If the objective for a general to be successful is to win wars, then Haig must be judged as a success. Yes he sent thousands of men to their deaths, however in a war of attrition and with the limited amount of military tactics available that was the only way to win. There would always be a scapegoat for the death tolls of The Great War and are we forgetting that Haig was ordered by the government to get a large scale win? Therefore it is perfect for the government; if Haig is successful they can win the war. They also have someone to blame after the war is over thus making the public hold Haig responsible for the deaths tolls not the government. Perhaps Haig could be viewed, much like the soldiers he sent over the top as a puppet of the government. Therefore Haig does not deserve the title ‘the butcher of Somme |
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"If only I had Fabswingeras when I was a kid to solve my homework problems.
Teacher: "Courtney, that is absolutely not true. Who told you that?"
Courtney: "Ball.slinger.69 told it to me. He isn't wrong about anything else, ma'am."
-Courtney"
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"Helpful guys!
I didn't understand any of the stuff we've googled lol. That's why I asked here. Thought someone might be able to put it idiot speak for me. "
Even the stuff that comes up if you type "was Haig the butcher of the Somme".
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"I would say though that most teachers will immediately recognise work that isn't to their pupils usual standard."
Use the Internet for research not to copy it's important that your daughter can articulate her point of view. Read the material and have a discussion her point of view will form and that's what she should express in her assignment. |
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"Arguably Haig does deserve his nickname. This is because Haig sent thousands of men to their deaths continuously after his war efforts seemed not to be working. For instance 60,000 soldiers died in the first day alone in the battle of the Somme. The reason that so many people died was that Haig ordered his men to walk across no-mans land. They were easy targets for the German machine guns. However Haig assisted Britain in winning the war and although he did so with tremendous loss of life, these men did not die pointlessly. They died to protect their families and everyone else on the home front, and they died to prevent Britain from becoming a German Nation.
Haig was also faced with an almost impossible task of winning the war in the quickest means possible. Haig was under constant pressure from the government to have a large victory to boost morale. This factor as well as the fact that Haig was not used to the tactics of a war of attrition may have caused Haig to act rashly and therefore if he was not under so much pressure he may have acted differently. Haig was also fed false Intel that was meant to boost morale. Haig was advised that his seven day artillery bombardment had proven to be successful (the aim of the bombardment was to brake all the barbed wire and kill most of the Germans in the trenches) therefore he ordered his men to walk across no-mans land and look for mines. This shows that he thought about what to do and what was in the best interest for his men as there was no point in telling his men to run across no-mans land to be blown up by mines.
It is debatable that Haig deserves his nickname as, while his men are starving in the cold and muddy trench, Haig is sipping French wine in cosy château miles away from the fighting. This shows that he only cared for himself, not for the hard fighting soldiers. Haig did not spend his time on the front line with his men, but stayed away from the direct fighting. This was done not so he could live a luxurious life, but so he was able to see a further stretch of the trenches and plan his tactics accordingly. This is compared to being on the front line and only seeing a small area of the battle field and would therefore have less well planned tactics as they would only take a small proportion of the trenches into account. Hence Haig was acting well in his role, rather being ‘the butcher of the Somme’ as he positioned himself in a position where he could have an overview of the whole battlefield. This resulted in the best planned tactics in the given circumstances. Also, if Haig was in the front line of the Trenches then there was a higher risk of him being killed and then the army would be in a much worse state than actually being in the state they were in when General Haig was in charge.
Haig was in a lose lose position, as, in the circumstances the only way in which he could win was through mass casualties as that was what a war of attrition was reduced to and he would be held responsible for the deaths. While if Haig lost he would be responsible for loosing the war and would receive excessive abuse for all the men that died. Therefore either way Haig would be considered a ‘butcher’.
In conclusion I believe that Haig does not deserve his title of ‘the butcher of the Somme’. If the objective for a general to be successful is to win wars, then Haig must be judged as a success. Yes he sent thousands of men to their deaths, however in a war of attrition and with the limited amount of military tactics available that was the only way to win. There would always be a scapegoat for the death tolls of The Great War and are we forgetting that Haig was ordered by the government to get a large scale win? Therefore it is perfect for the government; if Haig is successful they can win the war. They also have someone to blame after the war is over thus making the public hold Haig responsible for the deaths tolls not the government. Perhaps Haig could be viewed, much like the soldiers he sent over the top as a puppet of the government. Therefore Haig does not deserve the title ‘the butcher of Somme"
That's a pretty succinct summary :
The Somme; if it had gone to plan, would have been a fantastic success; broken the German lines; shortened the war by 2 years; as it happens ; the Germans dig themselves in far more effectively than our intelligence thought, so the initial bombardment was far less effective than it should have been.
There were also ( hindsight is a wonderful thing) some procedural issues that could have been better.
Despite the dreadful losses of life; the Somme was not as ineffective as is often portrayed; and did have quite a massive drain on German resources; which did have a long term effect on the war.
In the French sector; the French Army had some quite spectacular successes; they also introduced a number of procedures ( particularly the closer cooperation of artillery and infantry) which were to be exploited very successfully in later battles.
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"Arguably Haig does deserve his nickname. This is because Haig sent thousands of men to their deaths continuously after his war efforts seemed not to be working. For instance 60,000 soldiers died in the first day alone in the battle of the Somme. The reason that so many people died was that Haig ordered his men to walk across no-mans land. They were easy targets for the German machine guns. However Haig assisted Britain in winning the war and although he did so with tremendous loss of life, these men did not die pointlessly. They died to protect their families and everyone else on the home front, and they died to prevent Britain from becoming a German Nation.
Haig was also faced with an almost impossible task of winning the war in the quickest means possible. Haig was under constant pressure from the government to have a large victory to boost morale. This factor as well as the fact that Haig was not used to the tactics of a war of attrition may have caused Haig to act rashly and therefore if he was not under so much pressure he may have acted differently. Haig was also fed false Intel that was meant to boost morale. Haig was advised that his seven day artillery bombardment had proven to be successful (the aim of the bombardment was to brake all the barbed wire and kill most of the Germans in the trenches) therefore he ordered his men to walk across no-mans land and look for mines. This shows that he thought about what to do and what was in the best interest for his men as there was no point in telling his men to run across no-mans land to be blown up by mines.
It is debatable that Haig deserves his nickname as, while his men are starving in the cold and muddy trench, Haig is sipping French wine in cosy château miles away from the fighting. This shows that he only cared for himself, not for the hard fighting soldiers. Haig did not spend his time on the front line with his men, but stayed away from the direct fighting. This was done not so he could live a luxurious life, but so he was able to see a further stretch of the trenches and plan his tactics accordingly. This is compared to being on the front line and only seeing a small area of the battle field and would therefore have less well planned tactics as they would only take a small proportion of the trenches into account. Hence Haig was acting well in his role, rather being ‘the butcher of the Somme’ as he positioned himself in a position where he could have an overview of the whole battlefield. This resulted in the best planned tactics in the given circumstances. Also, if Haig was in the front line of the Trenches then there was a higher risk of him being killed and then the army would be in a much worse state than actually being in the state they were in when General Haig was in charge.
Haig was in a lose lose position, as, in the circumstances the only way in which he could win was through mass casualties as that was what a war of attrition was reduced to and he would be held responsible for the deaths. While if Haig lost he would be responsible for loosing the war and would receive excessive abuse for all the men that died. Therefore either way Haig would be considered a ‘butcher’.
In conclusion I believe that Haig does not deserve his title of ‘the butcher of the Somme’. If the objective for a general to be successful is to win wars, then Haig must be judged as a success. Yes he sent thousands of men to their deaths, however in a war of attrition and with the limited amount of military tactics available that was the only way to win. There would always be a scapegoat for the death tolls of The Great War and are we forgetting that Haig was ordered by the government to get a large scale win? Therefore it is perfect for the government; if Haig is successful they can win the war. They also have someone to blame after the war is over thus making the public hold Haig responsible for the deaths tolls not the government. Perhaps Haig could be viewed, much like the soldiers he sent over the top as a puppet of the government. Therefore Haig does not deserve the title ‘the butcher of Somme
That's a pretty succinct summary :
The Somme; if it had gone to plan, would have been a fantastic success; broken the German lines; shortened the war by 2 years; as it happens ; the Germans dig themselves in far more effectively than our intelligence thought, so the initial bombardment was far less effective than it should have been.
There were also ( hindsight is a wonderful thing) some procedural issues that could have been better.
Despite the dreadful losses of life; the Somme was not as ineffective as is often portrayed; and did have quite a massive drain on German resources; which did have a long term effect on the war.
In the French sector; the French Army had some quite spectacular successes; they also introduced a number of procedures ( particularly the closer cooperation of artillery and infantry) which were to be exploited very successfully in later battles.
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Use the Internet for research not to copy it's important that your daughter can articulate her point of view. Read the material and have a discussion her point of view will form and that's what she should express in her assignment."
She isn't copying and pasting. She just didn't 'get' it. We've talked it through. She can't see what has been written here! Obviously!!!! She understands now. The other written materials from school now make sense. Happy bunny. No more screaming habdabs....happy mummy! |
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"Arguably Haig does deserve his nickname. This is because Haig sent thousands of men to their deaths continuously after his war efforts seemed not to be working. For instance 60,000 soldiers died in the first day alone in the battle of the Somme. The reason that so many people died was that Haig ordered his men to walk across no-mans land. They were easy targets for the German machine guns. However Haig assisted Britain in winning the war and although he did so with tremendous loss of life, these men did not die pointlessly. They died to protect their families and everyone else on the home front, and they died to prevent Britain from becoming a German Nation.
Haig was also faced with an almost impossible task of winning the war in the quickest means possible. Haig was under constant pressure from the government to have a large victory to boost morale. This factor as well as the fact that Haig was not used to the tactics of a war of attrition may have caused Haig to act rashly and therefore if he was not under so much pressure he may have acted differently. Haig was also fed false Intel that was meant to boost morale. Haig was advised that his seven day artillery bombardment had proven to be successful (the aim of the bombardment was to brake all the barbed wire and kill most of the Germans in the trenches) therefore he ordered his men to walk across no-mans land and look for mines. This shows that he thought about what to do and what was in the best interest for his men as there was no point in telling his men to run across no-mans land to be blown up by mines.
It is debatable that Haig deserves his nickname as, while his men are starving in the cold and muddy trench, Haig is sipping French wine in cosy château miles away from the fighting. This shows that he only cared for himself, not for the hard fighting soldiers. Haig did not spend his time on the front line with his men, but stayed away from the direct fighting. This was done not so he could live a luxurious life, but so he was able to see a further stretch of the trenches and plan his tactics accordingly. This is compared to being on the front line and only seeing a small area of the battle field and would therefore have less well planned tactics as they would only take a small proportion of the trenches into account. Hence Haig was acting well in his role, rather being ‘the butcher of the Somme’ as he positioned himself in a position where he could have an overview of the whole battlefield. This resulted in the best planned tactics in the given circumstances. Also, if Haig was in the front line of the Trenches then there was a higher risk of him being killed and then the army would be in a much worse state than actually being in the state they were in when General Haig was in charge.
Haig was in a lose lose position, as, in the circumstances the only way in which he could win was through mass casualties as that was what a war of attrition was reduced to and he would be held responsible for the deaths. While if Haig lost he would be responsible for loosing the war and would receive excessive abuse for all the men that died. Therefore either way Haig would be considered a ‘butcher’.
In conclusion I believe that Haig does not deserve his title of ‘the butcher of the Somme’. If the objective for a general to be successful is to win wars, then Haig must be judged as a success. Yes he sent thousands of men to their deaths, however in a war of attrition and with the limited amount of military tactics available that was the only way to win. There would always be a scapegoat for the death tolls of The Great War and are we forgetting that Haig was ordered by the government to get a large scale win? Therefore it is perfect for the government; if Haig is successful they can win the war. They also have someone to blame after the war is over thus making the public hold Haig responsible for the deaths tolls not the government. Perhaps Haig could be viewed, much like the soldiers he sent over the top as a puppet of the government. Therefore Haig does not deserve the title ‘the butcher of Somme
That's a pretty succinct summary :
The Somme; if it had gone to plan, would have been a fantastic success; broken the German lines; shortened the war by 2 years; as it happens ; the Germans dig themselves in far more effectively than our intelligence thought, so the initial bombardment was far less effective than it should have been.
There were also ( hindsight is a wonderful thing) some procedural issues that could have been better.
Despite the dreadful losses of life; the Somme was not as ineffective as is often portrayed; and did have quite a massive drain on German resources; which did have a long term effect on the war.
In the French sector; the French Army had some quite spectacular successes; they also introduced a number of procedures ( particularly the closer cooperation of artillery and infantry) which were to be exploited very successfully in later battles.
I don't believe I said it was ineffective "
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"I would say though that most teachers will immediately recognise work that isn't to their pupils usual standard.
Use the Internet for research not to copy it's important that your daughter can articulate her point of view. Read the material and have a discussion her point of view will form and that's what she should express in her assignment.
She isn't copying and pasting. She just didn't 'get' it. We've talked it through. She can't see what has been written here! Obviously!!!! She understands now. The other written materials from school now make sense. Happy bunny. No more screaming habdabs....happy mummy! "
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"Arguably Haig does deserve his nickname. This is because Haig sent thousands of men to their deaths continuously after his war efforts seemed not to be working. For instance 60,000 soldiers died in the first day alone in the battle of the Somme. The reason that so many people died was that Haig ordered his men to walk across no-mans land. They were easy targets for the German machine guns. However Haig assisted Britain in winning the war and although he did so with tremendous loss of life, these men did not die pointlessly. They died to protect their families and everyone else on the home front, and they died to prevent Britain from becoming a German Nation.
Haig was also faced with an almost impossible task of winning the war in the quickest means possible. Haig was under constant pressure from the government to have a large victory to boost morale. This factor as well as the fact that Haig was not used to the tactics of a war of attrition may have caused Haig to act rashly and therefore if he was not under so much pressure he may have acted differently. Haig was also fed false Intel that was meant to boost morale. Haig was advised that his seven day artillery bombardment had proven to be successful (the aim of the bombardment was to brake all the barbed wire and kill most of the Germans in the trenches) therefore he ordered his men to walk across no-mans land and look for mines. This shows that he thought about what to do and what was in the best interest for his men as there was no point in telling his men to run across no-mans land to be blown up by mines.
It is debatable that Haig deserves his nickname as, while his men are starving in the cold and muddy trench, Haig is sipping French wine in cosy château miles away from the fighting. This shows that he only cared for himself, not for the hard fighting soldiers. Haig did not spend his time on the front line with his men, but stayed away from the direct fighting. This was done not so he could live a luxurious life, but so he was able to see a further stretch of the trenches and plan his tactics accordingly. This is compared to being on the front line and only seeing a small area of the battle field and would therefore have less well planned tactics as they would only take a small proportion of the trenches into account. Hence Haig was acting well in his role, rather being ‘the butcher of the Somme’ as he positioned himself in a position where he could have an overview of the whole battlefield. This resulted in the best planned tactics in the given circumstances. Also, if Haig was in the front line of the Trenches then there was a higher risk of him being killed and then the army would be in a much worse state than actually being in the state they were in when General Haig was in charge.
Haig was in a lose lose position, as, in the circumstances the only way in which he could win was through mass casualties as that was what a war of attrition was reduced to and he would be held responsible for the deaths. While if Haig lost he would be responsible for loosing the war and would receive excessive abuse for all the men that died. Therefore either way Haig would be considered a ‘butcher’.
In conclusion I believe that Haig does not deserve his title of ‘the butcher of the Somme’. If the objective for a general to be successful is to win wars, then Haig must be judged as a success. Yes he sent thousands of men to their deaths, however in a war of attrition and with the limited amount of military tactics available that was the only way to win. There would always be a scapegoat for the death tolls of The Great War and are we forgetting that Haig was ordered by the government to get a large scale win? Therefore it is perfect for the government; if Haig is successful they can win the war. They also have someone to blame after the war is over thus making the public hold Haig responsible for the deaths tolls not the government. Perhaps Haig could be viewed, much like the soldiers he sent over the top as a puppet of the government. Therefore Haig does not deserve the title ‘the butcher of Somme
That's a pretty succinct summary :
The Somme; if it had gone to plan, would have been a fantastic success; broken the German lines; shortened the war by 2 years; as it happens ; the Germans dig themselves in far more effectively than our intelligence thought, so the initial bombardment was far less effective than it should have been.
There were also ( hindsight is a wonderful thing) some procedural issues that could have been better.
Despite the dreadful losses of life; the Somme was not as ineffective as is often portrayed; and did have quite a massive drain on German resources; which did have a long term effect on the war.
In the French sector; the French Army had some quite spectacular successes; they also introduced a number of procedures ( particularly the closer cooperation of artillery and infantry) which were to be exploited very successfully in later battles.
I don't believe I said it was ineffective
Sorry; I wasn't saying you said that; I was referring to those people who do say it; "
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Use the Internet for research not to copy it's important that your daughter can articulate her point of view. Read the material and have a discussion her point of view will form and that's what she should express in her assignment.
She isn't copying and pasting. She just didn't 'get' it. We've talked it through. She can't see what has been written here! Obviously!!!! She understands now. The other written materials from school now make sense. Happy bunny. No more screaming habdabs....happy mummy! "
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Courtney: "Ball.slinger.69 told it to me. He isn't wrong about anything else, ma'am."
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"I would say though that most teachers will immediately recognise work that isn't to their pupils usual standard.
Use the Internet for research not to copy it's important that your daughter can articulate her point of view. Read the material and have a discussion her point of view will form and that's what she should express in her assignment.
She isn't copying and pasting. She just didn't 'get' it. We've talked it through. She can't see what has been written here! Obviously!!!! She understands now. The other written materials from school now make sense. Happy bunny. No more screaming habdabs....happy mummy!
That brings back memories. Hope it goes well "
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She came home today with an A* in her test! No notes were allowed, so just proved that she did learn something!!
She chose her GCSE options today. First choice: History!! Oh dear lol.
Thank you to everyone who helped out. Proud Mummy moment. |
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"She came home today with an A* in her test! No notes were allowed, so just proved that she did learn something!!
She chose her GCSE options today. First choice: History!! Oh dear lol.
Thank you to everyone who helped out. Proud Mummy moment. "
Clever girl xxx History was my son's 1st choice too & he loves it |
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"She came home today with an A* in her test! No notes were allowed, so just proved that she did learn something!!
She chose her GCSE options today. First choice: History!! Oh dear lol.
Thank you to everyone who helped out. Proud Mummy moment. "
Well done 
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"She came home today with an A* in her test! No notes were allowed, so just proved that she did learn something!!
She chose her GCSE options today. First choice: History!! Oh dear lol.
Thank you to everyone who helped out. Proud Mummy moment.
Well done
I'll say thanks to ball slinger 69 for you
-Courtney "
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Not sure if it will be any help but if u look up Crich memorial, every first Sunday in July the units that were first involved in the battle of Somme ( sherwood foresters, wostershore, cheshires) do a pilgrimage to pay their respects you might get some useful information on there xx
Also have a look for Mercian regiment history and they are the imagination of all those units a few years ago.
I was married to a Cheshire so it was a annual thing for us to go pay respects etc. If you need much more I can get you other stuff as a close friend used to be the manager of the memorial lol |
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"She came home today with an A* in her test! No notes were allowed, so just proved that she did learn something!!
She chose her GCSE options today. First choice: History!! Oh dear lol.
Thank you to everyone who helped out. Proud Mummy moment. "
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