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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

LAA advised a collection agentancy to bill me. Due to finacial onbigations i cannot pay full amount and am trying arrange a payment plan and have paid some money but tgey have dismissed my offer and im now completing means form. I was not told i would be billed but the bill is genuine seens a miss under standing on my part although was not billed for nearly 6 months. Even though im making payment and said I will pay no arguments just need time to sell car they have sent me a seven day notice threating to sieze goods. As i understand it No entry mean no sieze in house and certificate is needed. My car is parked on private land, I do not own. So they cant touch that and again a certificate is needed. As its a CCO they cannot charge me fees. I also offered them to place a charge on property for a small fee.

Am i correct about certificates

Am i right about no entry mo sieze

Am i right about car on private land car cannot be taken.

Cheers. Just need to buy some time without loosing anything

Cheers

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

Get to the Citizens Advice, or similar, asap on Monday.

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By *educedWoman over a year ago

Birmingham

Money Advice Service offer an online chat service. Talk to them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If they have a high court writ they can seize anything.

So as long as it doesn't go to high court then they can't take anything off you without the correct paperwork.

I would still recommend, like the previous posters, to speak to citizens advice or the likes of and get all the facts on it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"LAA advised a collection agentancy to bill me. Due to finacial onbigations i cannot pay full amount and am trying arrange a payment plan and have paid some money but tgey have dismissed my offer and im now completing means form. I was not told i would be billed but the bill is genuine seens a miss under standing on my part although was not billed for nearly 6 months. Even though im making payment and said I will pay no arguments just need time to sell car they have sent me a seven day notice threating to sieze goods. As i understand it No entry mean no sieze in house and certificate is needed. My car is parked on private land, I do not own. So they cant touch that and again a certificate is needed. As its a CCO they cannot charge me fees. I also offered them to place a charge on property for a small fee.

Am i correct about certificates

Am i right about no entry mo sieze

Am i right about car on private land car cannot be taken.

Cheers. Just need to buy some time without loosing anything

Cheers"

What's a CCO?

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By *inzi LTV/TS over a year ago

The Garden of Eden in Beautiful North Wales

I'll be watching this thread as I'm in a similar situation myself.

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By *angerousEyesMan over a year ago

weston

"Get to the Citizens Advice, or similar, asap on Monday. "

This, plus you can a lot of information from the website.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Get to the Citizens Advice, or similar, asap on Monday.

This, plus you can a lot of information from the website."

Download form malg1 from debt and ,mental health ,

See doctor, say depressed because of debts etc get him to fill in form When bailiffs turn up . Give it to them through the letter box

All done no worries and referred back to the person you owe money to

Bailiffs can't collect when presented with malg1 as it makes you a vulnerable adult .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Vulnerable people also means out of work and on benefits

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By *inxnortheastCouple over a year ago

newcastle

Cco county cort order

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Cco county cort order "

Read what I wrote and Google this exactly

Bailiffs and vulnerable households

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By *uessWhosBackAgainMan over a year ago

London

"Cco county cort order "

Sure your not thinking of CCJ = county court judgement???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OP, I work in a court so if you want to PM me, I'll try and help.

And I have NEVER seen one of these MALG forms used ever.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

An ex had debt probs, all sorted through Gregory Pennington, Google for number, small fee through the payments collected but they deal with everything and it was a lifesaver for him, worth looking up x

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Thanks

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Not a ccj ta

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

No soz defo cco

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

If you have made a formal offer of repayment, no matter how small, it is very hard for them to reject that in court, they are just chancing their arm. Get advice asap.

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By *ymph and ManicCouple over a year ago

North East

If the people owed take it to crown court then baliffs can effect full access order to property where ever it is ... ie car on private land etc is still up for grabs ... and can enter property to seize goods if your there on premises or not ... ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"OP, I work in a court so if you want to PM me, I'll try and help.

And I have NEVER seen one of these MALG forms used ever."

MALG is a group, not a form.

He means a DMHEF and consent form, which just means they're affected by mental illness. I don't know why someone would claim this, OP seems to understand the debt.

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By *ymph and ManicCouple over a year ago

North East

And they don't need to notify you that they taking it to high court .. .. .. they get the writ and turn up without any notification to you ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And they don't need to notify you that they taking it to high court .. .. .. they get the writ and turn up without any notification to you .. "

The sheriffs are coming

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By *otfuzz66Man over a year ago

Preston

Anal pounder 2016

U clearly have no understanding of , so called , "debt".

All (so called) "debts" , in the uk are fraudulent. I realise this may come as a shock , but they do not need to be repaid!!...

Unless , of course , you , choose 2 CONTRACT .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anal pounder 2016

U clearly have no understanding of , so called , "debt".

All (so called) "debts" , in the uk are fraudulent. I realise this may come as a shock , but they do not need to be repaid!!...

Unless , of course , you , choose 2 CONTRACT ."

You sound very knowledgeable.

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By *otfuzz66Man over a year ago

Preston

Anal pounder 2016.

Like most things in life I had to learn the hard way!

But tenacity pays off!

Being a "Free Man on the Land" gives u a tremendous feeling!

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By *eryBigGirlWoman over a year ago

East Yorkshire

Am i correct about certificates

Am i right about no entry mo sieze

Am i right about car on private land car cannot be taken.

Cheers. Just need to buy some time without loosing anything

Cheers"

1. Bailiffs do not have to accept the offer you make if it's seen as unreasonable

2. Bailiffs cannot force entry into your house

3. Bailiffs can only cease goods if they have been into the property previously and put a levy on goods

4. Bailiffs can remove a vehicle regardless of where it's parked

5. Bailiffs can take anything other than essential items, work tools or things belonging to others but the onus is on you to prove ownership

6. Get advice as every stage the move to increased costs massively

Hope this helps from an ex bailiff!!

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By *all and ChainWoman over a year ago

Truro

There are two sorts of debt, priority and non priority.

Money owed to the state, for a mortgage, for a secured loan, are priority debts, no getting away from them short of bankruptcy.

Non priority debts are in effect unenforceable, write to each lender and offer them each £1 a week, and PAY IT, never default on this payment.

***COURT*** bailiffs have huge powers.

Private bailiffs have none, but work on (your) ignorance, never allow them to put a toe across the threshold, not even to use the toilet, once the have gained "entry" even a head in a window, they can return and force entry at will.

They will also lie to / mislead plod, so you then have a couple of bailiffs and a couple of plod telling you something is legal when it is not, but once that thing is done, good luck reversing it.

Private bailiffs will have pet locksmiths, and looks bloody similar to official court forms, and will trespass and in effect steal.

They turned up at a mate's flat years ago and started carting stuff out when he arrived, the debt was owed by a previous tenant, they still refused to unload the van, the landlord was an ex cop invalided out in an RTA, half the stuff in the van was his shit, furnished let, so my mate calls landlord and ten minutes later there were three police cars there and all the stuff was unloaded and put back in the flat... you probably won't have an ex cop for a landlord.

Some good and informative youtube vids about bailiffs and entry rights etc.

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By *angerousEyesMan over a year ago

weston

Lock your doors and windows, don't speak to them at all, park your car away from the house. Speak too cab, other than that do nothing, they cant enter your house unless you let them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hi i actually work in debt recovery and your best option would be to make an arrangement to pay. Sit down write down your income and expennditure show that to them and they will have to accept. If the case is even taken to court the judge will rule that you can only afford to pay what you have left so be clever about your finanaces and the income and expenditure you put together. Hope that helps anymore info message me.

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By *otfuzz66Man over a year ago

Preston

Do not CONTRACT with them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do not CONTRACT with them"

They owe money. You're telling them to steal. Everyone should pay what they owe.

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By *otfuzz66Man over a year ago

Preston

Anal Pounder2016.

All "money" is a fraud.

All "debt" is a fraud.

The only person you are "stealing" from is yourself! , that is , if you accept your Legal Fiction!

This may come as a shock to you , but when you enter into a "credit" or "loan" arrangement your actually "borrowing" the money from yourself!!!

Pesonally , I am no bodied Strawman.

You only accept your Legal Fiction , if YOU choose to CONTRACT.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you actually live on planet earth in the year 2016?!

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By *otfuzz66Man over a year ago

Preston

Like many "sheeple" you choose to live your life with your eyes wide shut , & that is your decision! Personally I prefer my eyes wide open , that way I can see whats going on , & where I'm going!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like many "sheeple" you choose to live your life with your eyes wide shut , & that is your decision! Personally I prefer my eyes wide open , that way I can see whats going on , & where I'm going!

You live with your eyes wide open... yet you're unable to see that reply quote button which would make it a lot easier to see who you're talking to...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Anal Pounder2016.

All "money" is a fraud.

All "debt" is a fraud.

The only person you are "stealing" from is yourself! , that is , if you accept your Legal Fiction!

This may come as a shock to you , but when you enter into a "credit" or "loan" arrangement your actually "borrowing" the money from yourself!!!

Pesonally , I am no bodied Strawman.

You only accept your Legal Fiction , if YOU choose to CONTRACT.

Straw man stuff is bollocks for irresponsible people. You buy into capitalism (you at least own a phone, you pay to attend swinging clubs, you use the Internet), you have to pay for it.

Don't be a hypocrite.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Well plenty off replies nice debate. I trying to come to an arrangment. But need a reply from the about a question i have Legal aid agency do not collect them selfs it goes straight to rosendales to recover monies. Cab website says the cannot touch car unless on public highway or my property.

CCO. Capital Contribution order.

Rules where breached as apparently i should have recieved a notice with 21 days to appeal the descision this did not happen.. if id had known about bill before 20th december i could have paid without batting an eyelid but i lent my brother money and bought my sister inlaw a car. Got the letter 3 days later

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"An ex had debt probs, all sorted through Gregory Pennington, Google for number, small fee through the payments collected but they deal with everything and it was a lifesaver for him, worth looking up x"

However there are organisations that don't charge like Step Change and they deal with all your debts not just some as I was once paying a debt company and pulled out of them

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Like many "sheeple" you choose to live your life with your eyes wide shut , & that is your decision! Personally I prefer my eyes wide open , that way I can see whats going on , & where I'm going!

If you rented a property from me and caused me hardship through non payment of rent... cos let's face it that would be my bread and butter.. I'd set fire to your straw bollocks.

1. Pay people for what you take from them.

2. Go and live on an uninhabited island and fish for coconuts.....

Those are your two options.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"Well plenty off replies nice debate. I trying to come to an arrangment. But need a reply from the about a question i have Legal aid agency do not collect them selfs it goes straight to rosendales to recover monies. Cab website says the cannot touch car unless on public highway or my property.

CCO. Capital Contribution order.

Just a point of interest , as I cannot work it out. How do you get a debt without knowing?

It's an honest Q..... How does that happen ?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

It's okay. I re read your O.P. I know how it happened xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was once observing a So called Freeman defend himself in court. After his Freeman defence was dismantled by a solicitor he was advised to come back when he had a clue. He then refused to leave the dock and sat down and had a cry.

He was last seen being supported by two Policemen and steered in the direction of the neighbouring Police station all the while whimpering about the Magna Carta.

Was a wonderful afternoon of entertainment. I would highly recommend observing court.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

OP, you need to try to speak to the solicitor who represented you originally. They should have made it clear the implications of you pleading 'not guilty', taking it to court and losing. The CCO surely would have been made at sentencing and your 21 days to appeal was from this date. You say you 'misunderstood' something, so it sounds like the proper procedure was followed, but you weren't aware of the implications, and didn't appeal in time. Your solicitor should have advised you about all this.

Sadly I suspect that by giving a sum of money to your brother, and buying your sister-in-law a car, the court may feel that you have deliberately tried to dispose of assets and consequently show little willingness to compromise.

Almost certainly your solicitor will tell you to get the money you require back from your brother and/or sister-in-law and pay the court.

Mr ddc

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

CCO. Capital Contribution order.

You must be loaded.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

This link may also help

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/criminal-legal-aid-means-testing#enforcement-action

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

CCO. Capital Contribution order.

Just a point of interest , as I cannot work it out. How do you get a debt without knowing?

It's an honest Q..... How does that happen ?"
the solicitor said i qaulified for frew legal aid at crown court but not crown court. I went crown court was not asked for a penny or given any bills.

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By *om and JennieCouple over a year ago

Chams or Socials

"Anal pounder 2016

U clearly have no understanding of , so called , "debt".

All (so called) "debts" , in the uk are fraudulent. I realise this may come as a shock , but they do not need to be repaid!!...

Unless , of course , you , choose 2 CONTRACT ."

Erm.... I'm a debt collector & take people to Court to obtain CCJ's for non-payment of debts whether contractual or not. There are different types of debts & different laws covering them

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

"OP, you need to try to speak to the solicitor who represented you originally. They should have made it clear the implications of you pleading 'not guilty', taking it to court and losing. The CCO surely would have been made at sentencing and your 21 days to appeal was from this date. You say you 'misunderstood' something, so it sounds like the proper procedure was followed, but you weren't aware of the implications, and didn't appeal in time. Your solicitor should have advised you about all this.

Almost certainly your solicitor will tell you to get the money you require back from your brother and/or sister-in-law and pay the court.

Mr ddc"
yep my solicitors where fing usless. I dis not recieve a CCO so had not option to appeal or to know to pay. My sister in law crashed her car and lives day to day. Car i bought saved her monthly amounts on insurance so is slowly paying me back. Bro paying me back but tgats not enough. All im asking them for is a chance to get cash together. Took them nearly 6 months to charge me. Would be nice to have a few months to pay it the bill. Looking like trip to bank for 7.5k loan at least get a cheap 3.6% loan.

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By *artytwoCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

Let us know when you're on 'Can't pay we'll take it away'

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If they have a high court writ they can seize anything.

So as long as it doesn't go to high court then they can't take anything off you without the correct paperwork.

I would still recommend, like the previous posters, to speak to citizens advice or the likes of and get all the facts on it. "

I'm sorry but this is incorrect, they cannot seize items necessary for work or items you do not own

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

" Looking like trip to bank for 7.5k loan at least get a cheap 3.6% loan. "

will they lend with defaults

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If the people owed take it to crown court then baliffs can effect full access order to property where ever it is ... ie car on private land etc is still up for grabs ... and can enter property to seize goods if your there on premises or not ... ... "

Again wrong, Crown Court is for criminal matters. This is a civil matter. Please be more careful concerning the advice you give

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"U need 2 check - www.get out of debt free.org

Remember as your "debt" has been sold on to another agency the original debt has been repaid. As such, legally your in the clear. From now on its purely "procedural". Remeber, under NO circumstances, you must not CONTRACT with debt collection agencies.

HF66."

Again wrong. You can assign a debt or legal action as if it was an asset and that then makes the entity buying the same legally entitled to enforce. It can be alleged to be void on the grounds of champerty but this is very draconian

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

didn't know they were still going....I used to work for them years ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Almost certainly your solicitor will tell you to get the money you require back from your brother and/or sister-in-law and pay the court.

Mr ddcyep my solicitors where fing usless. I dis not recieve a CCO so had not option to appeal or to know to pay. My sister in law crashed her car and lives day to day. Car i bought saved her monthly amounts on insurance so is slowly paying me back. Bro paying me back but tgats not enough. All im asking them for is a chance to get cash together. Took them nearly 6 months to charge me. Would be nice to have a few months to pay it the bill. Looking like trip to bank for 7.5k loan at least get a cheap 3.6% loan. "

It sounds like you just managed your money poorly. Why didn't you pay legal aid bills from the start of the case? Usually solicitors will file for support when taking you on as a client.

Perhaps reach out to them for help, unless the relationship is too damaged by refusal to pay fees.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There are two sorts of debt, priority and non priority.

Money owed to the state, for a mortgage, for a secured loan, are priority debts, no getting away from them short of bankruptcy.

Non priority debts are in effect unenforceable, write to each lender and offer them each £1 a week, and PAY IT, never default on this payment.

Again this is incorrect. There is such a thing as secured and non secured creditors but this does not mean unsecured creditors cannot enforce

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Do not CONTRACT with them"

Its not a contract

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Almost certainly your solicitor will tell you to get the money you require back from your brother and/or sister-in-law and pay the court.

Mr ddc"

Whilst I agree the OP should seek independent advice concerning the advice received, negligent advise of the solicitor will not negate the obligation to pay. Assuming the advice was incorrect, it would lead to a professional negligence action.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Am i correct about certificates

Am i right about no entry mo sieze

Am i right about car on private land car cannot be taken.

Cheers. Just need to buy some time without loosing anything

Cheers"

OP, If you would like some assistance, please PM and I will do what I can. I am afraid a lot of what has been written here is nonsense.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

Mr ddc

You see, I DON'T think it is worth the OP seeking additional independent advice at yet more cost. There seems to be a misunderstanding about whether the court has followed procedures correctly, but almost certainly they have. If their solicitor gave them bad advice, there is a chance that rather than risk a claim of negligence, they may help the OP buy some time as a gesture of goodwill.

More probably though they will explain the OP is best to pay the costs asap, which, imho, is what the OP needs to hear rather than pie in the sky schemes that ultimately will not work, and add to the costs they will ultimately have to pay.

OP: You say you can arrange a loan, this is definitely your cheapest course of action. Clear the debt, put it behind you, and move on with your life/lives

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mr ddc

OP: You say you can arrange a loan, this is definitely your cheapest course of action. Clear the debt, put it behind you, and move on with your life/lives"

Whilst it is by no means certain that there has been professional negligence , if there has then it is possible the prof neg claim can be pursued on a 'no win, no fee' basis with the only cost to the OP being a percentage of the damages.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mr ddc

OP: You say you can arrange a loan, this is definitely your cheapest course of action. Clear the debt, put it behind you, and move on with your life/lives"

He really ought to pay what he owes. And stop buying unnecessary stuff for other people when in debt.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I haven't read the whole Thread so forgive me if I repeat what has been said. Firstly only a Court (High Court or Magistrates Court) can issue a Distress Warrant or order Bailiffs to collect any monies. There is no 'CCO' it is a County Court Judgment' and on its own does no more than damage your credit standing. (after a period of time). However once a CCJ is issued the Plaintiff can go to Court and ask for a Distress Warrant. But the OP will be notified and can attend. Basically the time to have made an offer is at the Court hearing where the CCJ was issued. The Court can agree a payment schedule for the debt but it will (normally) still issue a CCJ. That in itself does not mean any Bailiffs can be used. If the Op fails to pay as agreed by the Court the Plaintiff will go back and apply for a Distress Warrant as above.

The OP should not kid himself the Bailiffs can't touch anything. They can. But only a High Court Bailiff can force entry to a property with no resorting to Police attendance. Bailiffs do however accept a payment schedule over a period of time as they prefer payment to seizure ...

Hope this helps ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I haven't read the whole Thread so forgive me if I repeat what has been said. Firstly only a Court (High Court or Magistrates Court) can issue a Distress Warrant or order Bailiffs to collect any monies. There is no 'CCO' it is a County Court Judgment' and on its own does no more than damage your credit standing. (after a period of time). However once a CCJ is issued the Plaintiff can go to Court and ask for a Distress Warrant. But the OP will be notified and can attend. Basically the time to have made an offer is at the Court hearing where the CCJ was issued. The Court can agree a payment schedule for the debt but it will (normally) still issue a CCJ. That in itself does not mean any Bailiffs can be used. If the Op fails to pay as agreed by the Court the Plaintiff will go back and apply for a Distress Warrant as above.

Hope this helps ..."

A CCO is something completely different to a CCJ. It's to do with legal aid apparently.

And it's called a Warrant of Control, not a distress warrant.

It used to be known as a Warrant of Execution

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Mr ddc

OP: You say you can arrange a loan, this is definitely your cheapest course of action. Clear the debt, put it behind you, and move on with your life/lives

He really ought to pay what he owes. And stop buying unnecessary stuff for other people when in debt. "
i didnt have any dept at twat.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Almost certainly your solicitor will tell you to get the money you require back from your brother and/or sister-in-law and pay the court.

It sounds like you just managed your money poorly. Why didn't you pay legal aid bills from the start of the case? Usually solicitors will file for support when taking you on as a client.

Perhaps reach out to them for help, unless the relationship is too damaged by refusal to pay fees. "
they never asked me for money nore did they ever bill me. If they had i would gave paid for a specialist solicitor and barrister.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He really ought to pay what he owes. And stop buying unnecessary stuff for other people when in debt. i didnt have any dept at twat."

What?

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

" Looking like trip to bank for 7.5k loan at least get a cheap 3.6% loan.

will they lend with defaults"
there is mo defaults. At present.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Almost certainly your solicitor will tell you to get the money you require back from your brother and/or sister-in-law and pay the court.

It sounds like you just managed your money poorly. Why didn't you pay legal aid bills from the start of the case? Usually solicitors will file for support when taking you on as a client.

Perhaps reach out to them for help, unless the relationship is too damaged by refusal to pay fees. they never asked me for money nore did they ever bill me. If they had i would gave paid for a specialist solicitor and barrister. "

Were you given the choice of where to have your trial? Did they advise you to go to Crown Court knowing you'd plead guilty?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Am i correct about certificates

Am i right about no entry mo sieze

Am i right about car on private land car cannot be taken.

Cheers. Just need to buy some time without loosing anything

Cheers

What's a CCO?

County Court Order

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I just don't know how you consented to legal aid (you have to sign forms to apply for it) and didn't know you'd have to contribute to costs.

Solicitors will usually withdraw representation if you don't cooperate with forms and so on. It doesn't make sense that you had no idea you'd have to pay, or that amounts weren't deducted during or before the trial. They usually write to you telling you you have to pay a certain amount by a certain time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wish I knew all of the details for this situation. It's driving me mad wondering how it could've ended up going to a collection agency, with the OP having no knowledge whatsoever.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Anal Pounder2016.

All "money" is a fraud.

All "debt" is a fraud.

The only person you are "stealing" from is yourself! , that is , if you accept your Legal Fiction!

This may come as a shock to you , but when you enter into a "credit" or "loan" arrangement your actually "borrowing" the money from yourself!!!

Pesonally , I am no bodied Strawman.

You only accept your Legal Fiction , if YOU choose to CONTRACT.

Could you tell us what we should do rather than just telling us that we should not CONTRACT, whatever that may mean.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

"I wish I knew all of the details for this situation. It's driving me mad wondering how it could've ended up going to a collection agency, with the OP having no knowledge whatsoever. "

(Read the link I posted. That makes it pretty clear)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wish I knew all of the details for this situation. It's driving me mad wondering how it could've ended up going to a collection agency, with the OP having no knowledge whatsoever.

(Read the link I posted. That makes it pretty clear)"

Funny timing.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed"

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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I have seen cant pay wont pay...I would be worried

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

Gov one is ok

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

That link still assumes the OP filled in forms and had knowledge of potential Legal Aid contributions. Plus I know they request payment up front and refund if found not guilty after the trial. I dunno how the OP got away with paying nothing and still being represented.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

Gov one is ok

Phew, ty

(I need a 'wipes sweat from brow' emoji.)

As always, my timing could not be more embarrassing

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

Legal Aid write to you as well though, and also send you contribution notices. How come you didn't receive any correspondence? If you genuinely didn't receive any letters directly from them (and you gave your correct details on the form), they may be more willing to help you. Also, £900 per contribution is about right for a crown court case. It's usually at least a few hundred each time for those who have to pay. It's means tested.

If you willingly ignored requests to pay, they clearly won't be interested in helping.

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple over a year ago

Derbyshire

"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

Are you not confusing a Representation Order, or a Contribution Order with a Capital Contribution Order?

Is not a CCO only made only at sentencing stage, while the other two (as you say) happen before trial? That's how I read it.

Either way how we came to be here is academic tbh

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Almost certainly your solicitor will tell you to get the money you require back from your brother and/or sister-in-law and pay the court.

It sounds like you just managed your money poorly. Why didn't you pay legal aid bills from the start of the case? Usually solicitors will file for support when taking you on as a client.

Were you given the choice of where to have your trial? Did they advise you to go to Crown Court knowing you'd plead guilty?"
no choice but to go crown and police gained evidence but also my defence evidence and solicitor should obtained my goods back so I Could defend. It wasnt till two week after case I found out they had no evidence for a charge bought against me. But I Did a deal to end the procedings that day to get it all over and done with. Solicitor should have got my goods back as police. See useless. I was supposed to be pleading not guilty to charges but as said did a deal to get it over and done with.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

Are you not confusing a Representation Order, or a Contribution Order with a Capital Contribution Order?

Is not a CCO only made only at sentencing stage, while the other two (as you say) happen before trial? That's how I read it.

Either way how we came to be here is academic tbh

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Letter says Cco capitail contribution order

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Am i correct about certificates

Am i right about no entry mo sieze

Am i right about car on private land car cannot be taken.

Cheers. Just need to buy some time without loosing anything

Cheers

What's a CCO?

County Court Order"

The OP has already said its a Capital Contribution Order.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

Are you not confusing a Representation Order, or a Contribution Order with a Capital Contribution Order?

Is not a CCO only made only at sentencing stage, while the other two (as you say) happen before trial? That's how I read it.

Either way how we came to be here is academic tbh

Wasn't talking about either of those really, more that when you instruct a lawyer and apply for legal aid, you're sent a bunch of forms that you send back to LAA. They then write to you and tell you how much you have to contribute in terms of legal aid fees. This all happens even before trials begin, you're forced to pay and then claim it back after if you've overpaid.

I dunno how OP missed out on this initial step.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

"I know people are trying to be helpful but please stop putting links in that are not allowed

Oops, sorry if that was my one, I thought a .gov one would be okay

If you willingly ignored requests to pay, they clearly won't be interested in helping. "
first thing i recieved was 16th dec from rossendails. LAA told me they do not collect direct it goes straight to Rosendales to collect. Have that in writting from LAA after i queried. Amount why so long and why rosendails collecting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Almost certainly your solicitor will tell you to get the money you require back from your brother and/or sister-in-law and pay the court.

It sounds like you just managed your money poorly. Why didn't you pay legal aid bills from the start of the case? Usually solicitors will file for support when taking you on as a client.

Were you given the choice of where to have your trial? Did they advise you to go to Crown Court knowing you'd plead guilty? no choice but to go crown and police gained evidence but also my defence evidence and solicitor should obtained my goods back so I Could defend. It wasnt till two week after case I found out they had no evidence for a charge bought against me. But I Did a deal to end the procedings that day to get it all over and done with. Solicitor should have got my goods back as police. See useless. I was supposed to be pleading not guilty to charges but as said did a deal to get it over and done with. "

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Am i correct about certificates

Am i right about no entry mo sieze

Am i right about car on private land car cannot be taken.

Cheers. Just need to buy some time without loosing anything

Cheers

What's a CCO?

County Court Order"

Looks like I got this one wrong. It's actually Capital Contribution order. These are relatively new (2009) and are delt with quite differently than most normal debts. Shrewman seems to know his stuff. I'd follow his advice if I was the OP.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Im going to sort money for thursday and pay. Call them ask for a few more days as im house bound and in hospital ect till thursday. They want money by end off tuesday though. So far arseholes they been refusing payment offer probably wont though.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

Am i correct about certificates

Am i right about no entry mo sieze

Am i right about car on private land car cannot be taken.

Cheers. Just need to buy some time without loosing anything

Cheers

What's a CCO?

County Court Order

The OP has already said its a Capital Contribution Order."

I know but I hadn't read that far yet.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Almost certainly your solicitor will tell you to get the money you require back from your brother and/or sister-in-law and pay the court.

It sounds like you just managed your money poorly. Why didn't you pay legal aid bills from the start of the case? Usually solicitors will file for support when taking you on as a client.

This all sounds so dodgy. You don't just "do deals". If they had no evidence, you wouldn't have been charged by the CPS. It maybe just wasn't enough to win the case. I don't know how you signed legal aid forms and they didn't get back in touch with you, like they do with everyone else that uses them. "
the evidence was a 3 second gap it cctv footage where the harddrive deletes a chapter then starts re recording. Dvr instructions state this. But i didnt know what there evidence was till i figured it out after getting dvr ect back. They had a case but I had instructions to discredit. At time off going into court i did not know what evidence was. I still dont know if that was what they wherw classing as evidence though lol. Just guessing.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Words off advice live on HP and keep up payments. Nothing to take then lol.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My point was that if they somehow missed the initial billings, they may be more lenient with your repayments (if you can prove they had your contact details and didn't send you any info). I've explained the typical billing procedure above, if this wasn't the case with you, then you may be able to request leniency from the creditors.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

"My point was that if they somehow missed the initial billings, they may be more lenient with your repayments (if you can prove they had your contact details and didn't send you any info). I've explained the typical billing procedure above, if this wasn't the case with you, then you may be able to request leniency from the creditors.

Also, saying "I wouldn't have pleaded guilty if I knew they didn't have proper evidence of me doing that illegal thing" isn't grounds for an appeal. It makes me think you knew they had your number, and cut your losses - but that's besides the point. "
ill bring that up thanks. That i never recieved the paperwork with oportunity to appeal. Tell them i writing a complaint to the commision. Put your self in my position. I knew the charge. But did not know if I had made a mistake or not. I could not check to find out as police had siezed it. Faced with a 17 year prison sentance i agreed to plead guilty to charges of another offence and take minium sentence and cost. Hopeing it could all be put behind. I had a bloody good defence that would have basicually got me off. Statements evidence witnesses. But not knowing if made a mistake leaving evidence of offence police said i commited. Wasnt willing to chance it. I was brought down by a criminal scum bag that prevoked me and as i said to police i did not feel threatened or intimdated by this violent crimals actions, off criminal damage to vehicle i was in and threating me with baseball bat. I say violant crimal cause he has a wrap sheet as long as his arm. Police i dare say racist sgt took a special disliking to me.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also, saying "I wouldn't have pleaded guilty if I knew they didn't have proper evidence of me doing that illegal thing" isn't grounds for an appeal. It makes me think you knew they had your number, and cut your losses - but that's besides the point. ill bring that up thanks. That i never recieved the paperwork with oportunity to appeal. Tell them i writing a complaint to the commision. Put your self in my position. I knew the charge. But did not know if I had made a mistake or not. I could not check to find out as police had siezed it. Faced with a 17 year prison sentance i agreed to plead guilty to charges of another offence and take minium sentence and cost. Hopeing it could all be put behind. I had a bloody good defence that would have basicually got me off. Statements evidence witnesses. But not knowing if made a mistake leaving evidence of offence police said i commited. Wasnt willing to chance it. I was brought down by a criminal scum bag that prevoked me and as i said to police i did not feel threatened or intimdated by this violent crimals actions, off criminal damage to vehicle i was in and threating me with baseball bat. I say violant crimal cause he has a wrap sheet as long as his arm. Police i dare say racist sgt took a special disliking to me. "

The details of the case don't really matter, and you shouldn't give too much information away about yourself online.

All that matters now is that you have been convicted so you therefore owe the costs. They will not be written off, unless you can prove hardship.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

" Police i dare say racist sgt took a special disliking to me. "
ill add i was also arrested 6 months later by same sgt one more offenses. Only to be released without charge as there was no evidence and he hedged his bets by asking unrelated question about other charges. I wasnt taking his shit this time though. He already had to drop 2 charges from prior arrest both of which where not upholdable. I c a meduim a couple off months ago. He told me im a marked man and an person in a position of power has it in for me. 3 times ive been stopped by police 2 where ok. 1 was a complete arse. He was man enough to ring me after and opologise and destroy the court summons as he had made a mistake and i was not doing anything illigal

i did qoute laws at time of being detained.

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Also, saying "I wouldn't have pleaded guilty if I knew they didn't have proper evidence of me doing that illegal thing" isn't grounds for an appeal. It makes me think you knew they had your number, and cut your losses - but that's besides the point. ill bring that up thanks. That i never recieved the paperwork with oportunity to appeal. Tell them i writing a complaint to the commision. Put your self in my position. I knew the charge. But did not know if I had made a mistake or not. I could not check to find out as police had siezed it. Faced with a 17 year prison sentance i agreed to plead guilty to charges of another offence and take minium sentence and cost. Hopeing it could all be put behind. I had a bloody good defence that would have basicually got me off. Statements evidence witnesses. But not knowing if made a mistake leaving evidence of offence police said i commited. Wasnt willing to chance it. I was brought down by a criminal scum bag that prevoked me and as i said to police i did not feel threatened or intimdated by this violent crimals actions, off criminal damage to vehicle i was in and threating me with baseball bat. I say violant crimal cause he has a wrap sheet as long as his arm. Police i dare say racist sgt took a special disliking to me.

The details of the case don't really matter, and you shouldn't give too much information away about yourself online.

All that matters now is that you have been convicted so you therefore owe the costs. They will not be written off, unless you can prove hardship. "

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By *ary bailey OP Couple over a year ago

basildon

Also, saying "I wouldn't have pleaded guilty if I knew they didn't have proper evidence of me doing that illegal thing" isn't grounds for an appeal. It makes me think you knew they had your number, and cut your losses - but that's besides the point. ill bring that up thanks. That i never recieved the paperwork with oportunity to appeal. Tell them i writing a complaint to the commision. Put your self in my position. I knew the charge. But did not know if I had made a mistake or not. I could not check to find out as police had siezed it. Faced with a 17 year prison sentance i agreed to plead guilty to charges of another offence and take minium sentence and cost. Hopeing it could all be put behind. I had a bloody good defence that would have basicually got me off. Statements evidence witnesses. But not knowing if made a mistake leaving evidence of offence police said i commited. Wasnt willing to chance it. I was brought down by a criminal scum bag that prevoked me and as i said to police i did not feel threatened or intimdated by this violent crimals actions, off criminal damage to vehicle i was in and threating me with baseball bat. I say violant crimal cause he has a wrap sheet as long as his arm. Police i dare say racist sgt took a special disliking to me.

The details of the case don't really matter, and you shouldn't give too much information away about yourself online.

All that matters now is that you have been convicted so you therefore owe the costs. They will not be written off, unless you can prove hardship. "
im happy to pay just need a few months lol even a few days due to health implications. Ive nought to hide dude. Not ashemed justice little angry at whole system. Learning so much. Never dealt with anything like this.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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I am not sure all this info should be on here

Maybe use the CAB

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