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Shocking syrian refugees..so sad !!
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Wow just watched the news of the syrian refugees..A boat tipping over !! 3 children died ...horrible to watch ..such desperate people!! HOWEVER it was all the males who had life jackets on ..One female 7 mths pregnant no jacket ..The 3 babies no jackets !!! Wtf...what happened to women and children first ??? Ok no life is worth more than any other ..But wouldn't you automatically protect the vulnerable ..so sad 
Incidently this is not a political discussion or neither do I need my grammar corrected !! I just felt so sad watching this . |
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"Wow just watched the news of the syrian refugees..A boat tipping over !! 3 children died ...horrible to watch ..such desperate people!! HOWEVER it was all the males who had life jackets on ..One female 7 mths pregnant no jacket ..The 3 babies no jackets !!! Wtf...what happened to women and children first ??? Ok no life is worth more than any other ..But wouldn't you automatically protect the vulnerable ..so sad
Incidently this is not a political discussion or neither do I need my grammar corrected !! I just felt so sad watching this ."
Very sad indeed...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Different cultures, different attitudes towards women and children.
Very ...attitude is aslong i'm ok Jack !! Different priorities .."
It is truly awful and no amount of excuses can ever justify the horrific scenes of children drowning in those circumstances...
Perhaps the available life jackets wouldn't fit the children ,,,, perhaps the adults were acting upon the sort of advice airlines give out where adults are encouraged to don life saving equipment before attending to the children in their charge...
But you know what...... I wouldn't want to live with myself if they were the best excuses I could come-up with for allowing a child to drown while I wore a life jacket.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Different cultures, different attitudes towards women and children.
Very ...attitude is aslong i'm ok Jack !! Different priorities ..
It is truly awful and no amount of excuses can ever justify the horrific scenes of children drowning in those circumstances...
Perhaps the available life jackets wouldn't fit the children ,,,, perhaps the adults were acting upon the sort of advice airlines give out where adults are encouraged to don life saving equipment before attending to the children in their charge...
But you know what...... I wouldn't want to live with myself if they were the best excuses I could come-up with for allowing a child to drown while I wore a life jacket...."
I can't either !! Even the driver of the boat made sure he had one on!! Other toddlers had them on ..clearly not enough ..It highlights the pure desperation of these people ..But also highlights just where women and children are on the pecking order !! Heartbreaking to see it .... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what happened to women and children first ???"
Well if you are refering to Titanic it was 1st class women and children first. You're liklihood of surviving was more linked to the ticket you held than your gender or age. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"what happened to women and children first ???
Well if you are refering to Titanic it was 1st class women and children first. You're liklihood of surviving was more linked to the ticket you held than your gender or age. "
Not really referring to that ...but seemingly your likelihood to survive here is if you have a cock and your above 18 yrs of age !! Tbh I see it as more instinct to put your own flesh and blood first in this situation ...or your own family ..your wife carrying your child and your babies ..surely it's naturally inbuilt to protect them ..I have been proven wrong |
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"what happened to women and children first ???
Well if you are refering to Titanic it was 1st class women and children first. You're liklihood of surviving was more linked to the ticket you held than your gender or age.
Not really referring to that ...but seemingly your likelihood to survive here is if you have a cock and your above 18 yrs of age !! Tbh I see it as more instinct to put your own flesh and blood first in this situation ...or your own family ..your wife carrying your child and your babies ..surely it's naturally inbuilt to protect them ..I have been proven wrong "
You would think so but when some people panic, they become selfish cunts. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"what happened to women and children first ???
Well if you are refering to Titanic it was 1st class women and children first. You're liklihood of surviving was more linked to the ticket you held than your gender or age.
Not really referring to that ...but seemingly your likelihood to survive here is if you have a cock and your above 18 yrs of age !! Tbh I see it as more instinct to put your own flesh and blood first in this situation ...or your own family ..your wife carrying your child and your babies ..surely it's naturally inbuilt to protect them ..I have been proven wrong
You would think so but when some people panic, they become selfish cunts."
Absolutely!!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what happened to women and children first ???
Well if you are refering to Titanic it was 1st class women and children first. You're liklihood of surviving was more linked to the ticket you held than your gender or age. "
Thankfully western culture has become more civilized since then. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what happened to women and children first ???
Well if you are refering to Titanic it was 1st class women and children first. You're liklihood of surviving was more linked to the ticket you held than your gender or age.
Thankfully western culture has become more civilized since then."
Yeah you'd never find Americans treating entire groups of people as lesser because of their class or religion.
Especially if they were running for president. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"what happened to women and children first ???
Well if you are refering to Titanic it was 1st class women and children first. You're liklihood of surviving was more linked to the ticket you held than your gender or age.
Thankfully western culture has become more civilized since then.
Yeah you'd never find Americans treating entire groups of people as lesser because of their class or religion.
Especially if they were running for president. "
I am not talking about class or religion ...I am talking about your own flesh and blood ,watching the scenes of children dying because they have no life jacket..the woman who was 7 mths pregnant ..no life jacket !! But hubby had his on ...It sadly shows the pecking order in that family !! That's what shocked me .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what happened to women and children first ???
Well if you are refering to Titanic it was 1st class women and children first. You're liklihood of surviving was more linked to the ticket you held than your gender or age.
Thankfully western culture has become more civilized since then.
Yeah you'd never find Americans treating entire groups of people as lesser because of their class or religion.
Especially if they were running for president. "
That's not really the same topic is it... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"what happened to women and children first ???
Well if you are refering to Titanic it was 1st class women and children first. You're liklihood of surviving was more linked to the ticket you held than your gender or age.
Thankfully western culture has become more civilized since then.
Yeah you'd never find Americans treating entire groups of people as lesser because of their class or religion.
Especially if they were running for president.
That's not really the same topic is it..."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You can always get another wife and have more children?? 
Sometimes it's best to say nothing...  "
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I dunno I was just having a punt at the answer your all looking for!.
To deny self a preservation would be rather daft, it's self evident in the animal kingdom and were all animals with animal instincts, I mean the sites a testimony to that! |
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It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking!  |
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"Maybe they believe it's more important that the men arrive on european shores, that fried chicken and pizza aint gonna make itself
Anyway .....  "
Was that not the right answer then? Taxis won't drive themselves, benefits won't claim themselves.....women won't rape themselves? Sorry, not sure what say about a capsized boat load of chaps in life jackets bobbing around watching their wives and kids drown, due to their lack of life preserving wear, words seem futile. |
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking! "
sorry your talking out of your female arse, there have been countless threads where similar issue's have been raised and men as well as women have been equally empathetic..
equally some men and some women have shown how little humanity they possess also..
sweeping generalisations based upon a thread not even half full are silly.. |
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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking! "
Just wondering what is the word for the opposite of mysoginist? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"You can always get another wife and have more children??
Sometimes it's best to say nothing...
maybe you should heed your own advice?
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I do........ you can only imagine some of the things I'd say about some people... |
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"Maybe they believe it's more important that the men arrive on european shores, that fried chicken and pizza aint gonna make itself
the lard arses of kent would starve hey  "
Indeed, creating a whole new crisis |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I feel for these people. Nobody puts their life in that kind of danger unless what they are running from is even more frightening. I hope that we have the humanity to help people who are desperate enough to risk their lives. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking!
Just wondering what is the word for the opposite of mysoginist?"
Mysandrist. |
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking!
Just wondering what is the word for the opposite of mysoginist?"
misandrist |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"I feel for these people. Nobody puts their life in that kind of danger unless what they are running from is even more frightening. I hope that we have the humanity to help people who are desperate enough to risk their lives."
Many people are lacking in basic humanity. Sadly that won't ever change. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking!
Just wondering what is the word for the opposite of mysoginist?
misandrist"
That's correctly spelled, thank you!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking!
sorry your talking out of your female arse, there have been countless threads where similar issue's have been raised and men as well as women have been equally empathetic..
equally some men and some women have shown how little humanity they possess also..
sweeping generalisations based upon a thread not even half full are silly.."
I have observed this on different topics btw
Men you need to show you stand for women and children! It does not matter what site it is  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Maybe they believe it's more important that the men arrive on european shores, that fried chicken and pizza aint gonna make itself
Anyway .....
Was that not the right answer then? Taxis won't drive themselves, benefits won't claim themselves.....women won't rape themselves? Sorry, not sure what say about a capsized boat load of chaps in life jackets bobbing around watching their wives and kids drown, due to their lack of life preserving wear, words seem futile. "
Words are futile !! I see where you are coming from ..I don't usually comment on stuff like this because it turns politically ugly and to be honest I am not knowledgeable enough about the politics of it all to argue back without looking like an idiot ..I was just horrified to watch it all and saw it from a mothers point of _iew !! |
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"Different cultures, different attitudes towards women and children.
Exactly, I think the various attacks that happened in Germany over new years eve showed that. "
And now in some swimming pools apparently !!! (In Germany that is ) |
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking!
sorry your talking out of your female arse, there have been countless threads where similar issue's have been raised and men as well as women have been equally empathetic..
equally some men and some women have shown how little humanity they possess also..
sweeping generalisations based upon a thread not even half full are silly..
I have observed this on different topics btw
Men you need to show you stand for women and children! It does not matter what site it is "
but in 38 weeks this is the first of such threads you have posted on..?
of course some may have been chopped by the mods but there have been many as i said on the subject of the refugees etc..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Maybe they believe it's more important that the men arrive on european shores, that fried chicken and pizza aint gonna make itself
Anyway .....
Was that not the right answer then? Taxis won't drive themselves, benefits won't claim themselves.....women won't rape themselves? Sorry, not sure what say about a capsized boat load of chaps in life jackets bobbing around watching their wives and kids drown, due to their lack of life preserving wear, words seem futile.
Words are futile !! I see where you are coming from ..I don't usually comment on stuff like this because it turns politically ugly and to be honest I am not knowledgeable enough about the politics of it all to argue back without looking like an idiot ..I was just horrified to watch it all and saw it from a mothers point of _iew !!"
You stand for life values and not being scared of what everybody else thinks 
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It's difficult for westerners to understand, unless you have lived amongst them.
Men do not value women, and see their children as vehicles for being cared for in old age.
In an emergency, they would abandon their children first, as they can use the women to produce more. In extreme circumstances, they will preserve themselves at all costs, they can always get more women.
It's a primitive mind set, geared towards preservation of the species, starting with themselves.
It is how it is, and no amount of trying to project our values and moral compasses on them will change it. |
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"Different cultures, different attitudes towards women and children.
Exactly, I think the various attacks that happened in Germany over new years eve showed that. "
the thread is about drowned children, what has this got to do with those criminal acts in Germany..
or is any point scored against immigrants and refugees ok no matter how tenuous..? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking!
sorry your talking out of your female arse, there have been countless threads where similar issue's have been raised and men as well as women have been equally empathetic..
equally some men and some women have shown how little humanity they possess also..
sweeping generalisations based upon a thread not even half full are silly..
I have observed this on different topics btw
Men you need to show you stand for women and children! It does not matter what site it is
but in 38 weeks this is the first of such threads you have posted on..?
of course some may have been chopped by the mods but there have been many as i said on the subject of the refugees etc..
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Maybe but I am not following all threads and not sitting in forums often because I live my life too |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Wow just watched the news of the syrian refugees..A boat tipping over !! 3 children died ...horrible to watch ..such desperate people!! HOWEVER it was all the males who had life jackets on ..One female 7 mths pregnant no jacket ..The 3 babies no jackets !!! Wtf...what happened to women and children first ??? Ok no life is worth more than any other ..But wouldn't you automatically protect the vulnerable ..so sad
Incidently this is not a political discussion or neither do I need my grammar corrected !! I just felt so sad watching this ."
Keeping strictly to the topic; I don't think anyone can feel anything other than deep sadness at the death of three babies, whether these are Syrian or from anywhere else |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking!
sorry your talking out of your female arse, there have been countless threads where similar issue's have been raised and men as well as women have been equally empathetic..
equally some men and some women have shown how little humanity they possess also..
sweeping generalisations based upon a thread not even half full are silly..
I have observed this on different topics btw
Men you need to show you stand for women and children! It does not matter what site it is
but in 38 weeks this is the first of such threads you have posted on..?
of course some may have been chopped by the mods but there have been many as i said on the subject of the refugees etc..
Maybe but I am not following all threads and not sitting in forums often because I live my life too "
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"It's also sad here to see how many men actually find this topic important as very rare comments from men, they just care about fucking actually... They are only brave when it comes to fucking!
sorry your talking out of your female arse, there have been countless threads where similar issue's have been raised and men as well as women have been equally empathetic..
equally some men and some women have shown how little humanity they possess also..
sweeping generalisations based upon a thread not even half full are silly..
I have observed this on different topics btw
Men you need to show you stand for women and children! It does not matter what site it is
but in 38 weeks this is the first of such threads you have posted on..?
of course some may have been chopped by the mods but there have been many as i said on the subject of the refugees etc..
Maybe but I am not following all threads and not sitting in forums often because I live my life too
Ouch "
no ouch at all just a feeble attempt to back peddle from the initial post they made without justification..
hey ho..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Wow just watched the news of the syrian refugees..A boat tipping over !! 3 children died ...horrible to watch ..such desperate people!! HOWEVER it was all the males who had life jackets on ..One female 7 mths pregnant no jacket ..The 3 babies no jackets !!! Wtf...what happened to women and children first ??? Ok no life is worth more than any other ..But wouldn't you automatically protect the vulnerable ..so sad
Incidently this is not a political discussion or neither do I need my grammar corrected !! I just felt so sad watching this .
Keeping strictly to the topic; I don't think anyone can feel anything other than deep sadness at the death of three babies, whether these are Syrian or from anywhere else"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You can always get another wife and have more children??
Sometimes it's best to say nothing... .
I dunno I was just having a punt at the answer your all looking for!.
To deny self a preservation would be rather daft, it's self evident in the animal kingdom and were all animals with animal instincts, I mean the sites a testimony to that!"
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I would also qualify that thought processes with the reason we had a rule made up and stamped into are culture....
Women and children first!!!
If that rule was self evident.. You wouldn't need the fucking rule or the philosophy... It just would be. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's difficult for westerners to understand, unless you have lived amongst them.
Men do not value women, and see their children as vehicles for being cared for in old age.
In an emergency, they would abandon their children first, as they can use the women to produce more. In extreme circumstances, they will preserve themselves at all costs, they can always get more women.
It's a primitive mind set, geared towards preservation of the species, starting with themselves.
It is how it is, and no amount of trying to project our values and moral compasses on them will change it."
Totally agree ...not how I role though !!!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You can always get another wife and have more children??
Sometimes it's best to say nothing... .
I dunno I was just having a punt at the answer your all looking for!.
To deny self a preservation would be rather daft, it's self evident in the animal kingdom and were all animals with animal instincts, I mean the sites a testimony to that!.
I would also qualify that thought processes with the reason we had a rule made up and stamped into are culture....
Women and children first!!!
If that rule was self evident.. You wouldn't need the fucking rule or the philosophy... It just would be."
For a mother it's an instinct not a thought process which I have had stamped into me !! I can't speak for a man clearly. .but it's a built in animal instinct to protect my young !! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's difficult for westerners to understand, unless you have lived amongst them.
Men do not value women, and see their children as vehicles for being cared for in old age.
In an emergency, they would abandon their children first, as they can use the women to produce more. In extreme circumstances, they will preserve themselves at all costs, they can always get more women.
It's a primitive mind set, geared towards preservation of the species, starting with themselves.
It is how it is, and no amount of trying to project our values and moral compasses on them will change it."
I agree and it's very sad. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"It's difficult for westerners to understand, unless you have lived amongst them.
Men do not value women, and see their children as vehicles for being cared for in old age.
In an emergency, they would abandon their children first, as they can use the women to produce more. In extreme circumstances, they will preserve themselves at all costs, they can always get more women.
It's a primitive mind set, geared towards preservation of the species, starting with themselves.
It is how it is, and no amount of trying to project our values and moral compasses on them will change it."
No, that is not what I have seen nor experienced. After all the 'man-bashing' I do around these forums, I acknowledge that men do protect women and do love their children very much
I have seen examples of this selfless behaviour from two men who I know from this site alone |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You can always get another wife and have more children??
Sometimes it's best to say nothing... .
I dunno I was just having a punt at the answer your all looking for!.
To deny self a preservation would be rather daft, it's self evident in the animal kingdom and were all animals with animal instincts, I mean the sites a testimony to that!.
I would also qualify that thought processes with the reason we had a rule made up and stamped into are culture....
Women and children first!!!
If that rule was self evident.. You wouldn't need the fucking rule or the philosophy... It just would be.
For a mother it's an instinct not a thought process which I have had stamped into me !! I can't speak for a man clearly. .but it's a built in animal instinct to protect my young !! "
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Thats what I said at the beginning before people shot me down as some sort of bigot.
It's human nature faced with death to self protect,I can actually steer you to many female species that will eat/abandon/cuckold/ their young for various reasons! |
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"Different cultures, different attitudes towards women and children.
Exactly, I think the various attacks that happened in Germany over new years eve showed that.
the thread is about drowned children, what has this got to do with those criminal acts in Germany..
or is any point scored against immigrants and refugees ok no matter how tenuous..?"
It's a comment on the different cultures and different attitudes they show towards women and children. The men showing scant regard for the women and children in the sinking boat, by taking all the life jackets for themselves first leaving women and children without then climbing aboard the rescue boat first before trying to get the women and children on first. Again those different cultures and attitudes towards women were shown in Germany over new years eve with the sexual assault attacks and rapes. It seems I'm not the only one to pick up on it on this thread there have been several comments now from different posters about the different values they hold and the different cultures and attitudes these refugee men show towards women and children. |
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"You can always get another wife and have more children??
Sometimes it's best to say nothing... .
I dunno I was just having a punt at the answer your all looking for!.
To deny self a preservation would be rather daft, it's self evident in the animal kingdom and were all animals with animal instincts, I mean the sites a testimony to that!.
I would also qualify that thought processes with the reason we had a rule made up and stamped into are culture....
Women and children first!!!
If that rule was self evident.. You wouldn't need the fucking rule or the philosophy... It just would be.
For a mother it's an instinct not a thought process which I have had stamped into me !! I can't speak for a man clearly. .but it's a built in animal instinct to protect my young !! "
Can you see only us women bother of this topic but not most men, they just do not want to care about it, think it's overly selfish, when there is topic about sex oh you see them commenting all the time but this topic no bother |
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"Maybe they believe it's more important that the men arrive on european shores, that fried chicken and pizza aint gonna make itself
Anyway .....
Was that not the right answer then? Taxis won't drive themselves, benefits won't claim themselves.....women won't rape themselves? Sorry, not sure what say about a capsized boat load of chaps in life jackets bobbing around watching their wives and kids drown, due to their lack of life preserving wear, words seem futile.
Words are futile !! I see where you are coming from ..I don't usually comment on stuff like this because it turns politically ugly and to be honest I am not knowledgeable enough about the politics of it all to argue back without looking like an idiot ..I was just horrified to watch it all and saw it from a mothers point of _iew !!"
Well we can only imagine what it must be like, unless someone has experienced it or walked a mile in their wet shoes...which funnily enough, they probably did when they got to shore, gives them time to reflect on their drowned women and children. |
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The fact that ordinary men women and children are willing to spend their life savings and risk their lives to get away from Syria tells you how awful the situation is there. Terribly sad and about time the UN did something on a huge scale. |
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"It's difficult for westerners to understand, unless you have lived amongst them.
Men do not value women, and see their children as vehicles for being cared for in old age.
In an emergency, they would abandon their children first, as they can use the women to produce more. In extreme circumstances, they will preserve themselves at all costs, they can always get more women.
It's a primitive mind set, geared towards preservation of the species, starting with themselves.
It is how it is, and no amount of trying to project our values and moral compasses on them will change it.
No, that is not what I have seen nor experienced. After all the 'man-bashing' I do around these forums, I acknowledge that men do protect women and do love their children very much
I have seen examples of this selfless behaviour from two men who I know from this site alone"
I think DeMontres was commenting on the different values, cultures and attitudes the refugee men hold towards women and children. |
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"Wow just watched the news of the syrian refugees..A boat tipping over !! 3 children died ...horrible to watch ..such desperate people!! HOWEVER it was all the males who had life jackets on ..One female 7 mths pregnant no jacket ..The 3 babies no jackets !!! Wtf...what happened to women and children first ??? Ok no life is worth more than any other ..But wouldn't you automatically protect the vulnerable ..so sad
Incidently this is not a political discussion or neither do I need my grammar corrected !! I just felt so sad watching this ."
you forget in certain countries women are the lesser sex, the servants things to be used and not cherished. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"It's difficult for westerners to understand, unless you have lived amongst them.
Men do not value women, and see their children as vehicles for being cared for in old age.
In an emergency, they would abandon their children first, as they can use the women to produce more. In extreme circumstances, they will preserve themselves at all costs, they can always get more women.
It's a primitive mind set, geared towards preservation of the species, starting with themselves.
It is how it is, and no amount of trying to project our values and moral compasses on them will change it.
No, that is not what I have seen nor experienced. After all the 'man-bashing' I do around these forums, I acknowledge that men do protect women and do love their children very much
I have seen examples of this selfless behaviour from two men who I know from this site alone
I think DeMontres was commenting on the different values, cultures and attitudes the refugee men hold towards women and children. "
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We already know that, it's the Arab way and (second class) women are just there to produce little Mohameds and to cook for them. Thanks to Merkel the men will now be off to Germany to rape and attack German women. |
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"It's difficult for westerners to understand, unless you have lived amongst them.
Men do not value women, and see their children as vehicles for being cared for in old age.
In an emergency, they would abandon their children first, as they can use the women to produce more. In extreme circumstances, they will preserve themselves at all costs, they can always get more women.
It's a primitive mind set, geared towards preservation of the species, starting with themselves.
It is how it is, and no amount of trying to project our values and moral compasses on them will change it.
No, that is not what I have seen nor experienced. After all the 'man-bashing' I do around these forums, I acknowledge that men do protect women and do love their children very much
I have seen examples of this selfless behaviour from two men who I know from this site alone
I think DeMontres was commenting on the different values, cultures and attitudes the refugee men hold towards women and children. "
Indeed I was. I was not making a statement on the whole of mankind, nor attempting in any way to condone or excuse the mindset prevalent in primitive cultures such as these. |
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"Wow just watched the news of the syrian refugees..A boat tipping over !! 3 children died ...horrible to watch ..such desperate people!! HOWEVER it was all the males who had life jackets on ..One female 7 mths pregnant no jacket ..The 3 babies no jackets !!! Wtf...what happened to women and children first ??? Ok no life is worth more than any other ..But wouldn't you automatically protect the vulnerable ..so sad
Incidently this is not a political discussion or neither do I need my grammar corrected !! I just felt so sad watching this .
you forget in certain countries women are the lesser sex, the servants things to be used and not cherished."
bit like north of watford then? |
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them "
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets. "
No I haven't |
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets. "
Thank god for life jackets eh |
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This is just a guess but I think it's probably to do with the value placed on members of the family.
If the father is to be the one providing for the family maybe they see it as more important to have a breadwinner than to have a homemaker.
Or maybe that the father wearing the life jacket will be able to save anyone not wearing one so he wears it.
But as I say that's just guessing. |
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets. "
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why? |
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"We already know that, it's the Arab way and (second class) women are just there to produce little Mohameds and to cook for them. Thanks to Merkel the men will now be off to Germany to rape and attack German women."
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I disagree with the wording, it's not an Arab way, it's predominantly a culture born from Islamic ideology!.
You can look back a few hundred years to Christian culture of child beating and slavery and wife beating and see exactly where that ideology originated from ie it's not intrinsic to white Europeans!
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets. "
That was my point !!!! |
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?"
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Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
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"Wow just watched the news of the syrian refugees..A boat tipping over !! 3 children died ...horrible to watch ..such desperate people!! HOWEVER it was all the males who had life jackets on ..One female 7 mths pregnant no jacket ..The 3 babies no jackets !!! Wtf...what happened to women and children first ??? Ok no life is worth more than any other ..But wouldn't you automatically protect the vulnerable ..so sad
Incidently this is not a political discussion or neither do I need my grammar corrected !! I just felt so sad watching this ."
Shocking and sad
Maybe!
Charlie Hebdo could draw another cartoon of this.
Oh there is already a cartoon of a child drowning |
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"You can always get another wife and have more children??
Sometimes it's best to say nothing... .
I dunno I was just having a punt at the answer your all looking for!.
To deny self a preservation would be rather daft, it's self evident in the animal kingdom and were all animals with animal instincts, I mean the sites a testimony to that!"
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Putting aside our opinions of peoples race and religion. We need to look at the bigger picture. Why are they fleeing from their own countries? That's what needs to be addressed.
The governments around the world can't keep saying we need to stop the refugee crisis/we need to stop them coming in. Why don't they stop creating them in the first place?
You and me are no different to anybody else around the world. I find it ridiculous that people can't see past race and religion - what happened to humanity? People are just becoming selfish more and more.
We need to address the real issue. Just like the saying goes 'there is an elephant in the room, but we just cannot see it'.
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?"
Yes I do, reason why is because our culture, values and attitudes towards women and children are different to theirs. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?"
I know my brother will give his life to protect me
On the other hand, he would kill me and then shoot me if he ever found out for certain what I am up to here (just kidding) |
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"We already know that, it's the Arab way and (second class) women are just there to produce little Mohameds and to cook for them. Thanks to Merkel the men will now be off to Germany to rape and attack German women."
Are you really 49 years old?
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"Guess this is what's meant by survival of the fittest.
Every man for himself , turned out to be just that.
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"Putting aside our opinions of peoples race and religion. We need to look at the bigger picture. Why are they fleeing from their own countries? That's what needs to be addressed.
The governments around the world can't keep saying we need to stop the refugee crisis/we need to stop them coming in. Why don't they stop creating them in the first place?
You and me are no different to anybody else around the world. I find it ridiculous that people can't see past race and religion - what happened to humanity? People are just becoming selfish more and more.
We need to address the real issue. Just like the saying goes 'there is an elephant in the room, but we just cannot see it'.
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You've cracked it!
Obviously, all we need to do is to give daesh, al qu'eeda, hezbollah, boko haram et al a good talking to and tell them to stop being such rotters, and the whole situation will just go away and the countries will prosper once more, removing the push factors.
Perhaps you'd be a good chap and pop over there and have a quiet word with the offending parties, I'm sure we'd all be most grateful. |
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
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Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
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"Putting aside our opinions of peoples race and religion. We need to look at the bigger picture. Why are they fleeing from their own countries? That's what needs to be addressed.
The governments around the world can't keep saying we need to stop the refugee crisis/we need to stop them coming in. Why don't they stop creating them in the first place?
You and me are no different to anybody else around the world. I find it ridiculous that people can't see past race and religion - what happened to humanity? People are just becoming selfish more and more.
We need to address the real issue. Just like the saying goes 'there is an elephant in the room, but we just cannot see it'.
You've cracked it!
Obviously, all we need to do is to give daesh, al qu'eeda, hezbollah, boko haram et al a good talking to and tell them to stop being such rotters, and the whole situation will just go away and the countries will prosper once more, removing the push factors.
Perhaps you'd be a good chap and pop over there and have a quiet word with the offending parties, I'm sure we'd all be most grateful."
Silly me. Of course. I've got them on speed dial isn't it? Give me a second. Let me just have a word.
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
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If you read further up, you'll notice I said exactly that!.
The only reason it's changed after hundreds of years is the philosophy stamped into our culture of women and children first!.
It's not intrinsic by nature but as with all natural cultures, they can be changed by an overriding message or theocratic value! |
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By *artytwoCouple
over a year ago
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"Putting aside our opinions of peoples race and religion. We need to look at the bigger picture. Why are they fleeing from their own countries? That's what needs to be addressed.
The governments around the world can't keep saying we need to stop the refugee crisis/we need to stop them coming in. Why don't they stop creating them in the first place?
You and me are no different to anybody else around the world. I find it ridiculous that people can't see past race and religion - what happened to humanity? People are just becoming selfish more and more.
We need to address the real issue. Just like the saying goes 'there is an elephant in the room, but we just cannot see it'.
You've cracked it!
Obviously, all we need to do is to give daesh, al qu'eeda, hezbollah, boko haram et al a good talking to and tell them to stop being such rotters, and the whole situation will just go away and the countries will prosper once more, removing the push factors.
Perhaps you'd be a good chap and pop over there and have a quiet word with the offending parties, I'm sure we'd all be most grateful."
Pointless trying to be realist on a site like this but I admire the attempt |
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
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Could that be because adults are able to withstand being in cold water for longer periods of time than children. Also that adults are more likely to be stronger swimmers than children or for the most part adult men are physically stronger than adult women so that alone could account for the data you posted. |
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
Could that be because adults are able to withstand being in cold water for longer periods of time than children. Also that adults are more likely to be stronger swimmers than children or for the most part adult men are physically stronger than adult women so that alone could account for the data you posted. "
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I think she's just read a bit and jumped to a conclusion.
I would more than expect a crew to survive more!.
There raised and live on water, they know all the best practises, tend not to panic as much and in the end have the best knowledge for self survival
I pointed out the herald as an example of the change in culture by the philosophy of women and children first!...
It wouldn't have been the case in the 1700s
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
Could that be because adults are able to withstand being in cold water for longer periods of time than children. Also that adults are more likely to be stronger swimmers than children or for the most part adult men are physically stronger than adult women so that alone could account for the data you posted. .
I think she's just read a bit and jumped to a conclusion.
I would more than expect a crew to survive more!.
There raised and live on water, they know all the best practises, tend not to panic as much and in the end have the best knowledge for self survival
I pointed out the herald as an example of the change in culture by the philosophy of women and children first!...
It wouldn't have been the case in the 1700s
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Sorry to disappoint, but that data is based on western shipping disasters from 1852 to 2001 - very much post enlightenment. Perhaps there are indeed mitigating circumstances such as adult men being stronger swimmers, but it's at least methodological research instead of clash of culture catastrophising based on a few seconds of film footage |
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"I'd feel my life was a failure if the product of my being was simply too criticise and condemn others....
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Have you ever watched any of David Attenboroughs natural wildlife shows?.
Life's tragic, males fight for females, females eat their mates, females eat their offspring, males also, they fight for territory and water and food and fucking... It's one long tragedy as life seeks to battle death!.
There's no moral failures or ethical winners just competitors.
To imagine that I feel sorrow no more or less than a humpback nursing her dead calf is ridiculous, the only difference I see, is I have a bit more intelligence and time to reflect on events!
The world's all about me and I share that belief with every other mammal... Now that's tragic! |
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
Could that be because adults are able to withstand being in cold water for longer periods of time than children. Also that adults are more likely to be stronger swimmers than children or for the most part adult men are physically stronger than adult women so that alone could account for the data you posted. .
I think she's just read a bit and jumped to a conclusion.
I would more than expect a crew to survive more!.
There raised and live on water, they know all the best practises, tend not to panic as much and in the end have the best knowledge for self survival
I pointed out the herald as an example of the change in culture by the philosophy of women and children first!...
It wouldn't have been the case in the 1700s
Sorry to disappoint, but that data is based on western shipping disasters from 1852 to 2001 - very much post enlightenment. Perhaps there are indeed mitigating circumstances such as adult men being stronger swimmers, but it's at least methodological research instead of clash of culture catastrophising based on a few seconds of film footage"
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A quick trip to wikipedia to look at titanic survivors shows..
75% of women survived
52% of children
20% of men |
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
Could that be because adults are able to withstand being in cold water for longer periods of time than children. Also that adults are more likely to be stronger swimmers than children or for the most part adult men are physically stronger than adult women so that alone could account for the data you posted. .
I think she's just read a bit and jumped to a conclusion.
I would more than expect a crew to survive more!.
There raised and live on water, they know all the best practises, tend not to panic as much and in the end have the best knowledge for self survival
I pointed out the herald as an example of the change in culture by the philosophy of women and children first!...
It wouldn't have been the case in the 1700s
Sorry to disappoint, but that data is based on western shipping disasters from 1852 to 2001 - very much post enlightenment. Perhaps there are indeed mitigating circumstances such as adult men being stronger swimmers, but it's at least methodological research instead of clash of culture catastrophising based on a few seconds of film footage.
A quick trip to wikipedia to look at titanic survivors shows..
75% of women survived
52% of children
20% of men"
Absolutely - and Titantic is carefully pointed out as an "outlier" in the research. The ultimate exception that proves the rule, if you will.
The general consensus appears to be that the survival rate in maritime disasters both generally and by age and gender is mostly influenced by the normative behaviour of the ship's captain and crew, hence why it has become a world-wide requiremen for the captain to set the standard. The recent Italian and Korean shipping disasters are unfortunate examples of what can happen when this normative behaviour goes awry.
There may well be *some* cultural influence, but this disaster is a long way from proving it - just as the Muslim men (and women) that I have lived and worked amongst for many years serving the health needs of the British population (including women and children), and are some of the most liberal, open-minded, caring people I know, are not necessarily representative.
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
Could that be because adults are able to withstand being in cold water for longer periods of time than children. Also that adults are more likely to be stronger swimmers than children or for the most part adult men are physically stronger than adult women so that alone could account for the data you posted. .
I think she's just read a bit and jumped to a conclusion.
I would more than expect a crew to survive more!.
There raised and live on water, they know all the best practises, tend not to panic as much and in the end have the best knowledge for self survival
I pointed out the herald as an example of the change in culture by the philosophy of women and children first!...
It wouldn't have been the case in the 1700s
Sorry to disappoint, but that data is based on western shipping disasters from 1852 to 2001 - very much post enlightenment. Perhaps there are indeed mitigating circumstances such as adult men being stronger swimmers, but it's at least methodological research instead of clash of culture catastrophising based on a few seconds of film footage"
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
Could that be because adults are able to withstand being in cold water for longer periods of time than children. Also that adults are more likely to be stronger swimmers than children or for the most part adult men are physically stronger than adult women so that alone could account for the data you posted. .
I think she's just read a bit and jumped to a conclusion.
I would more than expect a crew to survive more!.
There raised and live on water, they know all the best practises, tend not to panic as much and in the end have the best knowledge for self survival
I pointed out the herald as an example of the change in culture by the philosophy of women and children first!...
It wouldn't have been the case in the 1700s
Sorry to disappoint, but that data is based on western shipping disasters from 1852 to 2001 - very much post enlightenment. Perhaps there are indeed mitigating circumstances such as adult men being stronger swimmers, but it's at least methodological research instead of clash of culture catastrophising based on a few seconds of film footage.
A quick trip to wikipedia to look at titanic survivors shows..
75% of women survived
52% of children
20% of men
Absolutely - and Titantic is carefully pointed out as an "outlier" in the research. The ultimate exception that proves the rule, if you will.
The general consensus appears to be that the survival rate in maritime disasters both generally and by age and gender is mostly influenced by the normative behaviour of the ship's captain and crew, hence why it has become a world-wide requiremen for the captain to set the standard. The recent Italian and Korean shipping disasters are unfortunate examples of what can happen when this normative behaviour goes awry.
There may well be *some* cultural influence, but this disaster is a long way from proving it - just as the Muslim men (and women) that I have lived and worked amongst for many years serving the health needs of the British population (including women and children), and are some of the most liberal, open-minded, caring people I know, are not necessarily representative.
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Well I think humans are humans the world over!.
Cultural practises and where these are born from are rarely natural though, sometimes there bad and sometimes there good.
It could be described as a natural instinct to abandon your family and self protect at great extremes as I said in my first post!.
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Jeez only nipped out to do some shopping!!!!
Like I sad very very sad !!! And ultimately will continuing happening ...but hey at least the men all survived to remarry and procreate! !!
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By *osieWoman
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"Jeez only nipped out to do some shopping!!!!
Like I sad very very sad !!! And ultimately will continuing happening ...but hey at least the men all survived to remarry and procreate! !!
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They will probably join FabS |
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"Jeez only nipped out to do some shopping!!!!
Like I sad very very sad !!! And ultimately will continuing happening ...but hey at least the men all survived to remarry and procreate! !!
Ewww you first!!! Lol
They will probably join FabS"
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
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I thought the captain was supposed to stay with his vessel till Everybody else had evacuated the boat etc. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Could a small child wear an adult belt
Did they think they could hold the child and keep them safe
Or the strongest wear it and try hold up others not wearing them
Have you seen the footage on the news? Didn't look like they were trying to do that. In fact the rescuers had to shout "women and children first" otherwise it looked like it would have been a free for all. The first few who climbed into the rescue boat were......yes you guessed it, men wearing life jackets.
Do you seriously believe that Europeans would behave any differently under the same circumstances, because I certainly don't ? If so, why?.
Have you ever read about the herald of free enterprise?.
Similar circumstances?
Anyhow, it's a nice piece of myth-making but unfounded (unfortunately)
" The idea that women and children should be evacuated first from a sinking ship—made famous by the Titanic disaster—has held sway for more than 150 years
. But looking at the data on actual shipwreck survivors, the supposed code of conduct just doesn’t hold water.
A group of Swedish economistsbroke down the data on maritime disasters
, and found that women and children actually had the lowest survival rates, while ships’ crews and captains fared the best."
I thought the captain was supposed to stay with his vessel till Everybody else had evacuated the boat etc."
Err not this one !! Although he was the last one to be rescued and apparently first time he had driven a boat ( do you drive a boat ??) And now arrested for manslaughter of the 3 children !! A small dose of justice I guess |
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