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"What's your point exactly? " Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists | |||
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"Communism isn't purely a Russian concept. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say though. " Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists | |||
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"I can't imagine it actually. Is Citizen Smith back on Dave?" Nobody knows what Citizen Smith is. Is it Communist? | |||
"I can't imagine it actually. Is Citizen Smith back on Dave? Nobody knows what Citizen Smith is. Is it Communist?" POWER TO THE PEOPLE... FREEDOM FOR TOOTING | |||
"Communism isn't purely a Russian concept. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say though. Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists" You dont often meet extremists of any political doctrine | |||
"I can't imagine it actually. Is Citizen Smith back on Dave? Nobody knows what Citizen Smith is. Is it Communist?" Correction, lots of people know what citizen smith is, you dont | |||
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"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way, just really over-bearing with their views and their views were just overwhelmingly Communist. If you went round to visit them they would have Communist propaganda music or Russian music playing all the time with their Communist wife and 2 Communist kids. Their kids would be called Communist 1 and Communist 2. Would be weird if that was real. No-one ever seems to have any overbearing Communist friends. " Imagine if you visited an overwhelmingly prehistoric dinosaur family ... Makes about as much sense! | |||
"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way, just really over-bearing with their views and their views were just overwhelmingly Communist. If you went round to visit them they would have Communist propaganda music or Russian music playing all the time with their Communist wife and 2 Communist kids. Their kids would be called Communist 1 and Communist 2. Would be weird if that was real. No-one ever seems to have any overbearing Communist friends. Imagine if you visited an overwhelmingly prehistoric dinosaur family ... Makes about as much sense!" Not the mama. | |||
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"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way , " What makes you think if someone is a Communist that they are violent ? | |||
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"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way , What makes you think if someone is a Communist that they are violent ?" You interpreted that as me saying Communists are violent? Weird way to interpret the sentence 'They weren't violent in any way'. | |||
 not that i remember growing up 
an certainly not comnunist i dont get what the op is saying ive benefited from learning about different foods an cultures growing up an i feel ive enriched from it an tolerance also. Ive learned an about polish an russian vodka lol not as though i drink alchol
ive embraced 2 different cultures an so glad i have had polish an russian relatives when growing up
an being comnnist doesn't make you violent | |||
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"What's your point exactly? Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists" There are a few on here... | |||
"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way, just really over-bearing with their views and their views were just overwhelmingly Communist. If you went round to visit them they would have Communist propaganda music or Russian music playing all the time with their Communist wife and 2 Communist kids. Their kids would be called Communist 1 and Communist 2. Would be weird if that was real. No-one ever seems to have any overbearing Communist friends. " Chairman Lmao is the funniest communist for the record  | |||
"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way, just really over-bearing with their views and their views were just overwhelmingly Communist. If you went round to visit them they would have Communist propaganda music or Russian music playing all the time with their Communist wife and 2 Communist kids. Their kids would be called Communist 1 and Communist 2. Would be weird if that was real. No-one ever seems to have any overbearing Communist friends. Imagine if you visited an overwhelmingly prehistoric dinosaur family ... Makes about as much sense!" Imagine you met the Flintstones. | |||
" Chairman Lmao is the funniest communist for the record "That was amusing  | |||
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" Chairman Lmao is the funniest communist for the record
That was amusing " | |||
"Communism isn't purely a Russian concept. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say though. Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists" Move to Moscow or Pyongyang and fill yer boots! | |||
"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way, just really over-bearing with their views and their views were just overwhelmingly Communist. " Sounds like you got invited to have tea with Ken Livingston | |||
"I can't imagine it actually. Is Citizen Smith back on Dave? Nobody knows what Citizen Smith is. Is it Communist? Correction, lots of people know what citizen smith is, you dont" . He was actually a trotskyite!. Citizen smith I mean | |||
"What's your point exactly? Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists There are a few on here... " . Are you thinking who I'm thinking of  | |||
"What's your point exactly? Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists There are a few on here... . Are you thinking who I'm thinking of "Nah, you ain't a pure red, more of a faded salmon. You can tell the commies because they use phrases like: "Let's nationalise it so it's run for people not profit" "13m British people are living in poverty while the political elite get fatter every day" "Communism didn't fail, it was never really tried" + other such emotive crap about greed, the people and fat cats said with a moral smugness that would make George Clooney blush | |||
"What's your point exactly? Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists There are a few on here... . Are you thinking who I'm thinking of
Nah, you ain't a pure red, more of a faded salmon.
You can tell the commies because they use phrases like:
"Let's nationalise it so it's run for people not profit"
"13m British people are living in poverty while the political elite get fatter every day"
"Communism didn't fail, it was never really tried"
+ other such emotive crap about greed, the people and fat cats said with a moral smugness that would make George Clooney blush". Damn it... I often think about nationalising stuff, then I think oh it didn't work out to well with them banks?. Maybe it's not the ownership but how it's run!. I will admit to having a fondness for Leon Trotsky, I just wouldn't vote for him  | |||
"I can't imagine it actually. Is Citizen Smith back on Dave? Nobody knows what Citizen Smith is. Is it Communist? POWER TO THE PEOPLE... FREEDOM FOR (THE) TOOTING... " ... BECK POPULAR FRONT | |||
"What's your point exactly? Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists There are a few on here... . Are you thinking who I'm thinking of
Nah, you ain't a pure red, more of a faded salmon.
You can tell the commies because they use phrases like:
"Let's nationalise it so it's run for people not profit"
"13m British people are living in poverty while the political elite get fatter every day"
"Communism didn't fail, it was never really tried"
+ other such emotive crap about greed, the people and fat cats said with a moral smugness that would make George Clooney blush.
Damn it... I often think about nationalising stuff, then I think oh it didn't work out to well with them banks?.
Maybe it's not the ownership but how it's run!.
"Yeah but if politicians solved problems at their source then eventually we'd run out of crisis for them to 'solve' and Turkeys don't vote for Christmas | |||
"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way, just really over-bearing with their views and their views were just overwhelmingly Communist. If you went round to visit them they would have Communist propaganda music or Russian music playing all the time with their Communist wife and 2 Communist kids. Their kids would be called Communist 1 and Communist 2. Would be weird if that was real. No-one ever seems to have any overbearing Communist friends. " You don't actually know what a communist is do you? | |||
"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way, just really over-bearing with their views and their views were just overwhelmingly Communist. If you went round to visit them they would have Communist propaganda music or Russian music playing all the time with their Communist wife and 2 Communist kids. Their kids would be called Communist 1 and Communist 2. Would be weird if that was real. No-one ever seems to have any overbearing Communist friends. Imagine if you visited an overwhelmingly prehistoric dinosaur family ... Makes about as much sense! Not the mama." Awww I loved that show! I hate the cuddly toy and you pulled the string. I'm the baby Not the mama Gotta love me! | |||
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"I can't imagine it actually. Is Citizen Smith back on Dave? Nobody knows what Citizen Smith is. Is it Communist?" Oh yes we do. And the children would be called Comrade 1 & 2. | |||
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"And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's." Wasn't that the 70s? | |||
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"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's." One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. | |||
"And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. Wasn't that the 70s?" And the 50's and 60's. There were a few hundred thousand Japanese who left Japan to go join the utopia of North Korea - that worked out well for them... | |||
"What's your point exactly? Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists There are a few on here... . Are you thinking who I'm thinking of
Nah, you ain't a pure red, more of a faded salmon.
You can tell the commies because they use phrases like:
"Let's nationalise it so it's run for people not profit"
"13m British people are living in poverty while the political elite get fatter every day"
"Communism didn't fail, it was never really tried"
+ other such emotive crap about greed, the people and fat cats said with a moral smugness that would make George Clooney blush"Come the revolution, you shall be first against the wall 
Anyway, it's not moral smugness, it's righteous anger  | |||
"What's your point exactly? Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists There are a few on here... . Are you thinking who I'm thinking of
Nah, you ain't a pure red, more of a faded salmon.
You can tell the commies because they use phrases like:
"Let's nationalise it so it's run for people not profit"
"13m British people are living in poverty while the political elite get fatter every day"
"Communism didn't fail, it was never really tried"
+ other such emotive crap about greed, the people and fat cats said with a moral smugness that would make George Clooney blush
Come the revolution, you shall be first against the wall
Anyway, it's not moral smugness, it's righteous anger "True but I wont go quietly | |||
"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. " Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'. | |||
"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'." Good points. I'd always attributed it to the embarrassment that we had to ally with Stalin in WW2... | |||
"What's your point exactly? Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists There are a few on here... . Are you thinking who I'm thinking of
Nah, you ain't a pure red, more of a faded salmon.
You can tell the commies because they use phrases like:
"Let's nationalise it so it's run for people not profit"
"13m British people are living in poverty while the political elite get fatter every day"
"Communism didn't fail, it was never really tried"
+ other such emotive crap about greed, the people and fat cats said with a moral smugness that would make George Clooney blush
Come the revolution, you shall be first against the wall
Anyway, it's not moral smugness, it's righteous anger "Why wait for the revolution. You're up against my wall next week. Bloody leftie. | |||
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"We have been doing business in Russia for 10years+ and visited 80times+ but to best of my knowledge in the hundreds of people I've met, no one has every tried to sell me communism in any shape or form " Probably a reason for that. Not many Germans want the Nazi's back either. | |||
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"I can't imagine it actually. Is Citizen Smith back on Dave? Nobody knows what Citizen Smith is. Is it Communist?" That's because he eventually grew up, embraced Capitalism, became a Dentist and moved to Chiswick. Pretty much what happens to Communism really 
Dare you to try "Aren't Commies Hot?" in the US forum OP, you like a little excitement...
Mr ddc | |||
"What's your point exactly? Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists There are a few on here... . Are you thinking who I'm thinking of
Nah, you ain't a pure red, more of a faded salmon.
You can tell the commies because they use phrases like:
"Let's nationalise it so it's run for people not profit"
"13m British people are living in poverty while the political elite get fatter every day"
"Communism didn't fail, it was never really tried"
+ other such emotive crap about greed, the people and fat cats said with a moral smugness that would make George Clooney blush.
Damn it... I often think about nationalising stuff, then I think oh it didn't work out to well with them banks?.
Maybe it's not the ownership but how it's run!.
Yeah but if politicians solved problems at their source then eventually we'd run out of crisis for them to 'solve' and Turkeys don't vote for Christmas ". Ha you say that as if the left really want rid of the right or vise versa... They need each other, without the opposing forces there'd both be doomed! | |||
"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'. Good points. I'd always attributed it to the embarrassment that we had to ally with Stalin in WW2..." . Not only did we ally with him, the e Russians probably did more for a victory than any other nation, in fact if you look at ww2 war dead, you'll notice the Russians lost more people to Hitler than every other nation combined!. The communists were reactionaries to the Tzarists, Russia had a long long record of brutality!. And don't forget that every Russian was taught that the tzar was also God in fact... All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism. The trouble was they just jumped from one theocracy to another, from worshipping one deity to another, servitude, slavery, it fitted perfectly with their old values. See you think they were Atheists but in fact all they did was swap deities and theocracies. As proof just look to north Korea. The leader is God, what he says goes, there's no discention, he tells you the best way to lead your life, who to hate who to love, in fact kim Jung has wonderful moralistic values for every Korean.. Imposed directly through violence and intimidation! His people worship him and seek higher guidance.... Communism wasn't corrupt, neither is capitalism.... People are corrupt and they will corrupt any system.... Capitalism just took longer | |||
"Image if someone was overwhelmingly Communist. They weren't violent in any way, just really over-bearing with their views and their views were just overwhelmingly Communist. If you went round to visit them they would have Communist propaganda music or Russian music playing all the time with their Communist wife and 2 Communist kids. Their kids would be called Communist 1 and Communist 2. Would be weird if that was real. No-one ever seems to have any overbearing Communist friends. You don't actually know what a communist is do you?" Even the communist,don't actually know what a communist is. | |||
"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'. Good points. I'd always attributed it to the embarrassment that we had to ally with Stalin in WW2.... Not only did we ally with him, the e Russians probably did more for a victory than any other nation, in fact if you look at ww2 war dead, you'll notice the Russians lost more people to Hitler than every other nation combined!. The communists were reactionaries to the Tzarists, Russia had a long long record of brutality!. And don't forget that every Russian was taught that the tzar was also God in fact... All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism. The trouble was they just jumped from one theocracy to another, from worshipping one deity to another, servitude, slavery, it fitted perfectly with their old values. See you think they were Atheists but in fact all they did was swap deities and theocracies. As proof just look to north Korea. The leader is God, what he says goes, there's no discention, he tells you the best way to lead your life, who to hate who to love, in fact kim Jung has wonderful moralistic values for every Korean.. Imposed directly through violence and intimidation! His people worship him and seek higher guidance.... Communism wasn't corrupt, neither is capitalism.... People are corrupt and they will corrupt any system.... Capitalism just took longer "The Russians lost more because they placed no value on thier soldiers lives. Penal brigades were sent ro do mine clearing. This was acomplished by having the soldiers form a line shoulder to shoulder and march theough the minefeild. They used troops asncannon fodder giving them fake wooden gun replicas and were ordered to rush the enemy (or get mowed down by thier own machine guns) They didnt lose so many because they forght the most but because they just threw men away as expendable | |||
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"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'. Good points. I'd always attributed it to the embarrassment that we had to ally with Stalin in WW2.... Not only did we ally with him, the e Russians probably did more for a victory than any other nation, in fact if you look at ww2 war dead, you'll notice the Russians lost more people to Hitler than every other nation combined!. The communists were reactionaries to the Tzarists, Russia had a long long record of brutality!. And don't forget that every Russian was taught that the tzar was also God in fact... All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism. " It's always a good idea to base your analysis on fact rather than opinion. Tsarist Russia was an Orthodox Christian country and, as such, would have followed the basis Christian churches' ideology when it came to power and authority. Christian believe would not accept that any man, other than the Christ, could be a god or God. The ideology was that all power and authority ultimately comes from God and that Christian Kings and Emperors were ordained and elected directly by God to administer His authority and justice on earth. This is also the basis of our own monarchy and was also one of the legal defences used by Charles I when he was tried for treason. Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungry, Yugoslavia were not theocracies as you try to claim, they were all either constitutional democratic monarchies (as officially Britain still is) or democracies. " The trouble was they just jumped from one theocracy to another, from worshipping one deity to another, servitude, slavery, it fitted perfectly with their old values. See you think they were Atheists but in fact all they did was swap deities and theocracies. As proof just look to north Korea. The leader is God, what he says goes, there's no discention, he tells you the best way to lead your life, who to hate who to love, in fact kim Jung has wonderful moralistic values for every Korean.. Imposed directly through violence and intimidation! His people worship him and seek higher guidance.... Communism wasn't corrupt, neither is capitalism.... People are corrupt and they will corrupt any system.... Capitalism just took longer " | |||
"Communism isn't purely a Russian concept. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say though. Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists" They are too busy rotting in stalags or freezing their balls off in cucumber queues. | |||
"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'. Good points. I'd always attributed it to the embarrassment that we had to ally with Stalin in WW2.... Not only did we ally with him, the e Russians probably did more for a victory than any other nation, in fact if you look at ww2 war dead, you'll notice the Russians lost more people to Hitler than every other nation combined!. The communists were reactionaries to the Tzarists, Russia had a long long record of brutality!. And don't forget that every Russian was taught that the tzar was also God in fact... All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism. The trouble was they just jumped from one theocracy to another, from worshipping one deity to another, servitude, slavery, it fitted perfectly with their old values. See you think they were Atheists but in fact all they did was swap deities and theocracies. As proof just look to north Korea. The leader is God, what he says goes, there's no discention, he tells you the best way to lead your life, who to hate who to love, in fact kim Jung has wonderful moralistic values for every Korean.. Imposed directly through violence and intimidation! His people worship him and seek higher guidance.... Communism wasn't corrupt, neither is capitalism.... People are corrupt and they will corrupt any system.... Capitalism just took longer
The Russians lost more because they placed no value on thier soldiers lives.
Penal brigades were sent ro do mine clearing.
This was acomplished by having the soldiers form a line shoulder to shoulder and march theough the minefeild.
They used troops asncannon fodder giving them fake wooden gun replicas and were ordered to rush the enemy (or get mowed down by thier own machine guns)
They didnt lose so many because they forght the most but because they just threw men away as expendable "They also fought on the other side so I had a snigger at "did more for victory than any other nation" - there's only one country that fought old Adolf every step of the way. | |||
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"You can't be anything but a capitalist in a capitalist society. " Sure you can, never heard of the Amish or a Jewish kibbutz? | |||
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"Lol some people acting like Communism is worse than Capitalism. Capitalism (or the train of thought that it requires) is literally destroying the bio-sphere of an entire planet. You can tout all the deaths and people like Mao etc..etc.. but Capitalism isn't a better system. It can be TEMPORARILY better for some countries but there are kids being tortured, raped and killed for the minerals in our phones so...Capitalism is just as sick and twisted (and inadequate) as any other political/barter based system. Capitalism is just a transition into something else. Probably a hybrid with Socialism until we just get rid of money systems altogether. " How does a child getting raped help get the rather abundant minerals used in a mobile phone? Capitalism has one great advantage when it comes to the "bio sphere" that your proposed societies. Capitalism is unequal, there are those who have and those who have not, this means less is needed. If everyone is to made equal to a level comparable to the west we would have to strip this planet to the bone to provide the resources to do it. But in your moneyless society how do you determine who gets what? Do we all get a super yacht or is noone alowed to own one? | |||
" How does a child getting raped help get the rather abundant minerals used in a mobile phone? Capitalism has one great advantage when it comes to the "bio sphere" that your proposed societies. Capitalism is unequal, there are those who have and those who have not, this means less is needed. If everyone is to made equal to a level comparable to the west we would have to strip this planet to the bone to provide the resources to do it. But in your moneyless society how do you determine who gets what? Do we all get a super yacht or is noone alowed to own one? " It doesn't help get the minerals so to speak but the tribes in the local areas in Africa want control of the minerals because of the money involved so they terrorize villages and families to enforce their power and use fear to control. All for profit (the Capitalist mentality). As for Capitalism using less resources...It uses more because of property. In the system I want not everyone needs to keep things. A car might sit there not being used most of the time if it's someone property. But if instead of property rights we have access rights then we can do more with less. 1 car can serve more than one person or family so you don't need so many cars for example. For a Resource-based Economy to work or even happen, we need a different way of thinking. Who decides who gets what? It all depends on the resources available. Just now we control who gets what by rationing things using barter/money. In the future it'll be determined by you wanting something and if the resources/materials are available to make it then you get it. For materials that are more scarce/rare then they'll be prioritized. Hospitals will be high priority for example. | |||
" But in your moneyless society how do you determine who gets what? Do we all get a super yacht or is noone alowed to own one? " OP is on about project Venus and there's a whole other thread on it. OP thinks it's a good idea, some people agree and others don't. | |||
" OP is on about project Venus and there's a whole other thread on it. OP thinks it's a good idea, some people agree and others don't. " Not everything is a matter of agreeing or not agreeing. Some things are a matter of understanding or not understanding. I didn't see anyone on that thread who dis-agreed and understood. | |||
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" OP is on about project Venus and there's a whole other thread on it. OP thinks it's a good idea, some people agree and others don't. Not everything is a matter of agreeing or not agreeing. Some things are a matter of understanding or not understanding. I didn't see anyone on that thread who dis-agreed and understood. " Yes comrade, nobody really disagrees with the party because the party is always right. There are just some that don't understand. Two legs bad, four legs good. | |||
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" How does a child getting raped help get the rather abundant minerals used in a mobile phone? Capitalism has one great advantage when it comes to the "bio sphere" that your proposed societies. Capitalism is unequal, there are those who have and those who have not, this means less is needed. If everyone is to made equal to a level comparable to the west we would have to strip this planet to the bone to provide the resources to do it. But in your moneyless society how do you determine who gets what? Do we all get a super yacht or is noone alowed to own one? It doesn't help get the minerals so to speak but the tribes in the local areas in Africa want control of the minerals because of the money involved so they terrorize villages and families to enforce their power and use fear to control. All for profit (the Capitalist mentality). As for Capitalism using less resources...It uses more because of property. In the system I want not everyone needs to keep things. A car might sit there not being used most of the time if it's someone property. But if instead of property rights we have access rights then we can do more with less. 1 car can serve more than one person or family so you don't need so many cars for example. For a Resource-based Economy to work or even happen, we need a different way of thinking. Who decides who gets what? It all depends on the resources available. Just now we control who gets what by rationing things using barter/money. In the future it'll be determined by you wanting something and if the resources/materials are available to make it then you get it. For materials that are more scarce/rare then they'll be prioritized. Hospitals will be high priority for example. " You would need loads more cars as youd have to give them to all the africans etc for a start. But back to your point. Which mineral, for which component in my phone came from a mine in africa which is backed up by an organisation known for torturing and raping children. | |||
"I have to be honest op you are a bit of an overbearing bearing communist. Or at least thats how you come across to me." You aren't the only one... | |||
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" But in your moneyless society how do you determine who gets what? Do we all get a super yacht or is noone alowed to own one? OP is on about project Venus and there's a whole other thread on it. OP thinks it's a good idea, some people agree and others don't. " Im familiar with the principles it's laughable to the point that i can only assume the originator of the idea has never met a human being. | |||
" OP is on about project Venus and there's a whole other thread on it. OP thinks it's a good idea, some people agree and others don't. Not everything is a matter of agreeing or not agreeing. Some things are a matter of understanding or not understanding. I didn't see anyone on that thread who dis-agreed and understood. " I think I understand perfectly what you're saying and can quite categorically say I don't agree with you. | |||
" But in your moneyless society how do you determine who gets what? Do we all get a super yacht or is noone alowed to own one? OP is on about project Venus and there's a whole other thread on it. OP thinks it's a good idea, some people agree and others don't. Im familiar with the principles it's laughable to the point that i can only assume the originator of the idea has never met a human being." See, another person who just doesn't understand! Why are there so many!?! Perhaps we should send them to re-eduation classes or camps that help them concentrate? | |||
" But in your moneyless society how do you determine who gets what? Do we all get a super yacht or is noone alowed to own one? OP is on about project Venus and there's a whole other thread on it. OP thinks it's a good idea, some people agree and others don't. Im familiar with the principles it's laughable to the point that i can only assume the originator of the idea has never met a human being. See, another person who just doesn't understand! Why are there so many!?! Perhaps we should send them to re-eduation classes or camps that help them concentrate? " I keep meaning to get around to writing a reply to why you cannot govern with "science" let alone the ethical problems with his "you test and use what works best" proposal. But it involves a lot of typing and he wont read it anyway. | |||
" But in your moneyless society how do you determine who gets what? Do we all get a super yacht or is noone alowed to own one? OP is on about project Venus and there's a whole other thread on it. OP thinks it's a good idea, some people agree and others don't. Im familiar with the principles it's laughable to the point that i can only assume the originator of the idea has never met a human being. See, another person who just doesn't understand! Why are there so many!?! Perhaps we should send them to re-eduation classes or camps that help them concentrate? " I wish you'd come and re-educate me (especially if it's 'her' who's doing the re-education) | |||
"I have to be honest op you are a bit of an overbearing bearing communist. Or at least thats how you come across to me. Just an opinion. If someone doesnt agree with you they dont understand for example. Not that i do. " I'm not actually Communist. This thread started with a stoned joke with my brother. As for the Venus Project thing, it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf. Some things genuinely are a matter of understanding or not. And TVP is based on things that are already possible and science so that's why it's more about understanding. I would explain it more on here but I put links to websites and videos of it that explain it more so if no-one watched those then they aren't really interested. I'm not taking this site too seriously either. I'm more grounded in real life. | |||
" You would need loads more cars as youd have to give them to all the africans etc for a start. But back to your point. Which mineral, for which component in my phone came from a mine in africa which is backed up by an organisation known for torturing and raping children. " No you would not need more cars in a Resource-based Economy. Who said anything about organisations? I'm talking about tribes and the mentality of profit over all. It's part of the war in the Congo. The biggest death toll since World War 2 . If you google it then you might find out more but it's not up to me to educate you. If you want to know more..use the internet. I don't think some people are seeing connections between Capitalism and the train of thought that it requires and creates and the consequences of that. | |||
"I have to be honest op you are a bit of an overbearing bearing communist. Or at least thats how you come across to me. Just an opinion. If someone doesnt agree with you they dont understand for example. Not that i do. I'm not actually Communist. This thread started with a stoned joke with my brother. As for the Venus Project thing, it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf. Some things genuinely are a matter of understanding or not. And TVP is based on things that are already possible and science so that's why it's more about understanding. I would explain it more on here but I put links to websites and videos of it that explain it more so if no-one watched those then they aren't really interested. I'm not taking this site too seriously either. I'm more grounded in real life. " Behold our dear leader who understands things that us mere mortals are too stupid to understand. We have the solicitude of our great general to thank for all that is good. Maybe you are as great as Kim Jung-Un but personally I think you're more like the Wizard of Oz. Of course I'm too stupid to make a proper judgement. | |||
" You would need loads more cars as youd have to give them to all the africans etc for a start. But back to your point. Which mineral, for which component in my phone came from a mine in africa which is backed up by an organisation known for torturing and raping children. No you would not need more cars in a Resource-based Economy. Who said anything about organisations? I'm talking about tribes and the mentality of profit over all. It's part of the war in the Congo. The biggest death toll since World War 2 . If you google it then you might find out more but it's not up to me to educate you. If you want to know more..use the internet. I don't think some people are seeing connections between Capitalism and the train of thought that it requires and creates and the consequences of that. " Why would you not need more cars? Youve got about 2 billion people you need to drag up to near weatern standards. Youre going to need more of everything. Ok great we've got a country congo. What is extracted in congo that goes into mobile phones? | |||
" See your whole system just failed there. That would require a massive drop in standard of living for the west. For the powerful, the wealthy and the well armed. And for the average man,lets take you. You have acess to a large amount of resources compared to most. Your value judgment has placed you wanting a mobile phone, a tv, a pc, above the lives of several hundred african people that money/resources could bave gone to help. So why do you think you would change that value judgment if koney didnt exist? " No the system does not fail there. It would create a much higher standard of living for everyone as you have more access. Everything in the entire world is free for everyone without the limiting rationing system some cling to. www.thevenusproject.com It gets tiring explaining this stuff tbh. It's so clear yet people misunderstand the most basic stuff and it gets tiring after 6 years of knowing about it. I've put up links and suggested Videos on YouTube on the venus project thread so if anyone is genuinely interested then I'd suggest checking that stuff out as it's more info than I can type here. If you don't look at that stuff or look it up yourself then you're not that interested which is fine. But it makes it more difficult to explain it as it's such a big thing. Maybe too big for a swinger forum post.. | |||
" See your whole system just failed there. That would require a massive drop in standard of living for the west. For the powerful, the wealthy and the well armed. And for the average man,lets take you. You have acess to a large amount of resources compared to most. Your value judgment has placed you wanting a mobile phone, a tv, a pc, above the lives of several hundred african people that money/resources could bave gone to help. So why do you think you would change that value judgment if koney didnt exist? No the system does not fail there. It would create a much higher standard of living for everyone as you have more access. Everything in the entire world is free for everyone without the limiting rationing system some cling to. www.thevenusproject.com It gets tiring explaining this stuff tbh. It's so clear yet people misunderstand the most basic stuff and it gets tiring after 6 years of knowing about it. I've put up links and suggested Videos on YouTube on the venus project thread so if anyone is genuinely interested then I'd suggest checking that stuff out as it's more info than I can type here. If you don't look at that stuff or look it up yourself then you're not that interested which is fine. But it makes it more difficult to explain it as it's such a big thing. Maybe too big for a swinger forum post.." But there aimpym isnt enough resources to provide the standard of living you and i have to everyone on earth. The only feasible way to reduce inequality is to reduce the top end not raise the bottom end. | |||
" Why would you not need more cars? Youve got about 2 billion people you need to drag up to near weatern standards. Youre going to need more of everything. Ok great we've got a country congo. What is extracted in congo that goes into mobile phones?" NewScientist did an article showing that if we were doing things in a more sustainable way we could support 22 Billion people at a good standard of living. If you're that interested in the Congo you can google it. I don't know the name of the materials. If you're interested in phone materials or Congo then I'm sure Google will help. | |||
" It gets tiring explaining this stuff tbh. It's so clear yet people misunderstand the most basic stuff and it gets tiring after 6 years of knowing about it. I've put up links and suggested Videos on YouTube on the venus project thread so if anyone is genuinely interested then I'd suggest checking that stuff out as it's more info than I can type here. If you don't look at that stuff or look it up yourself then you're not that interested which is fine. But it makes it more difficult to explain it as it's such a big thing. Maybe too big for a swinger forum post.." I expect this is how 9/11 conspiracy theorists feel... | |||
" Im familiar with the principles it's laughable to the point that i can only assume the originator of the idea has never met a human being. See, another person who just doesn't understand! Why are there so many!?! Perhaps we should send them to re-eduation classes or camps that help them concentrate? I keep meaning to get around to writing a reply to why you cannot govern with "science" let alone the ethical problems with his "you test and use what works best" proposal. But it involves a lot of typing and he wont read it anyway. " There is a problem with using what works? | |||
" Why would you not need more cars? Youve got about 2 billion people you need to drag up to near weatern standards. Youre going to need more of everything. Ok great we've got a country congo. What is extracted in congo that goes into mobile phones? NewScientist did an article showing that if we were doing things in a more sustainable way we could support 22 Billion people at a good standard of living. If you're that interested in the Congo you can google it. I don't know the name of the materials. If you're interested in phone materials or Congo then I'm sure Google will help." There we go youve finally admitted that you made your point up. Phones dont really have anything particuarly special in them at best you might argue poor labour practices in a copper mine somewhere but thats about it. Diamonds sure but phones no so much, oil, silicon, gallium, copper, silver etc. Nothing particularly blood stained. Good standard is well below what we have now. Also for the love of god stop refering to the venus project at least Roddenberry had some half decent plots to hide his deus ex machina behind. | |||
" I expect this is how 9/11 conspiracy theorists feel... " Oh well I don't want to be one of them so I better agree with everything you say!  | |||
" Im familiar with the principles it's laughable to the point that i can only assume the originator of the idea has never met a human being. See, another person who just doesn't understand! Why are there so many!?! Perhaps we should send them to re-eduation classes or camps that help them concentrate? I keep meaning to get around to writing a reply to why you cannot govern with "science" let alone the ethical problems with his "you test and use what works best" proposal. But it involves a lot of typing and he wont read it anyway. There is a problem with using what works? " No with the ethical issue sof thevtesting. Plus what works based on eveidence is capitalism. Evidentially speaking its the best solution so far. But experimenting on people to find better ones raises serious ethical problems. Take frostbite. Modern treatment programs for it all originate from unit 731's work. Now you tell me the problem with "what works" based on how we found it out. | |||
" There we go youve finally admitted that you made your point up. Phones dont really have anything particuarly special in them at best you might argue poor labour practices in a copper mine somewhere but thats about it. Diamonds sure but phones no so much, oil, silicon, gallium, copper, silver etc. Nothing particularly blood stained. Good standard is well below what we have now. Also for the love of god stop refering to the venus project at least Roddenberry had some half decent plots to hide his deus ex machina behind. " Oh so that documentary I saw wasn't real. It was a documentary (Ross Kemp) I saw and they spoke of the mobile materials and the war/torture stuff to gain control. If it's diamonds then my point still stands. Profit = torture for some people. Roddenberry actually openly supported The Venus Project. And I can type what I want. If you don't like then don't read it. | |||
" I expect this is how 9/11 conspiracy theorists feel... Oh well I don't want to be one of them so I better agree with everything you say! "No, it's not what you say, it's the way you say it. That's why people think you sound like an "overbearing communist". | |||
"Communism isn't purely a Russian concept. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say though. Just that you don't often meet overwhelming Communists Move to Moscow or Pyongyang and fill yer boots!" Do you own a calendar? | |||
" Profit = torture for some people. " Communism / Facism / Feudalism any other stupid ism = torture for a lot of people. | |||
" No with the ethical issue sof thevtesting. Plus what works based on eveidence is capitalism. Evidentially speaking its the best solution so far. But experimenting on people to find better ones raises serious ethical problems. Take frostbite. Modern treatment programs for it all originate from unit 731's work. Now you tell me the problem with "what works" based on how we found it out. " Experimenting on people? Sorry but a social system that is currently destroying THE BIO-SHPERE OF AN ENTIRE PLANET is not a system that is working. I don't see these serious ethical problems (of which Capitalism has many...and not small ones). TVP won't be forced on anyone. It's non-violent. So anyone who is part of it wants to be. I'm suspecting that these people who are very much against it haven't really checked it out. Have maybe had a quick glimpse of the website but not looked into it properly. I'm suspecting... A lot of this stuff is answered in the films/vids I suggested.. | |||
" Profit = torture for some people. Communism / Facism / Feudalism any other stupid ism = torture for a lot of people. " And Capitalism..but that one seems to be ok for some reason even though it's not working. | |||
" I expect this is how 9/11 conspiracy theorists feel... Oh well I don't want to be one of them so I better agree with everything you say!
No, it's not what you say, it's the way you say it. That's why people think you sound like an "overbearing communist"."You're actually quite over-bearing with your Capitalist views. You comment on my threads to argue against anything but Capitalism more than anyone else. | |||
" I expect this is how 9/11 conspiracy theorists feel... Oh well I don't want to be one of them so I better agree with everything you say!
No, it's not what you say, it's the way you say it. That's why people think you sound like an "overbearing communist"."Whenever someone calls me Communist it just proves me right about the not understanding what I'm saying thing. I also said to Vara that this thread started with a joke I was having about Communists with my brother when we were stoned the other night. I'm not actually Communist. | |||
" I expect this is how 9/11 conspiracy theorists feel... Oh well I don't want to be one of them so I better agree with everything you say!
No, it's not what you say, it's the way you say it. That's why people think you sound like an "overbearing communist".
You're actually quite over-bearing with your Capitalist views. You comment on my threads to argue against anything but Capitalism more than anyone else.
"I'm perfectly happy with criticism of capitalism and don't attack people who criticise it, I will counter their argument though. Ideas are here for debating but you just want to shout your opinion and then say that anyone who disagrees just doesn't understand. | |||
" No with the ethical issue sof thevtesting. Plus what works based on eveidence is capitalism. Evidentially speaking its the best solution so far. But experimenting on people to find better ones raises serious ethical problems. Take frostbite. Modern treatment programs for it all originate from unit 731's work. Now you tell me the problem with "what works" based on how we found it out. Experimenting on people? Sorry but a social system that is currently destroying THE BIO-SHPERE OF AN ENTIRE PLANET is not a system that is working. I don't see these serious ethical problems (of which Capitalism has many...and not small ones). TVP won't be forced on anyone. It's non-violent. So anyone who is part of it wants to be. I'm suspecting that these people who are very much against it haven't really checked it out. Have maybe had a quick glimpse of the website but not looked into it properly. I'm suspecting... A lot of this stuff is answered in the films/vids I suggested.." Like i pointed out in the other thread one of the major issues is you have zero understanding or experience with the scientific method. Pointing out ethical problems with the status quo does not remove the ethical problems of what you have proposed And it just doesnt work, one simple look at human beings should tell you why | |||
" Profit = torture for some people. Communism / Facism / Feudalism any other stupid ism = torture for a lot of people. " Capitalism is an -ism and arguably kills a lot of people. Furthermore, I don; think you can lump feudalism or fascism with communism. | |||
" No with the ethical issue sof thevtesting. Plus what works based on eveidence is capitalism. Evidentially speaking its the best solution so far. But experimenting on people to find better ones raises serious ethical problems. Take frostbite. Modern treatment programs for it all originate from unit 731's work. Now you tell me the problem with "what works" based on how we found it out. Experimenting on people? Sorry but a social system that is currently destroying THE BIO-SHPERE OF AN ENTIRE PLANET is not a system that is working. I don't see these serious ethical problems (of which Capitalism has many...and not small ones). TVP won't be forced on anyone. It's non-violent. So anyone who is part of it wants to be. I'm suspecting that these people who are very much against it haven't really checked it out. Have maybe had a quick glimpse of the website but not looked into it properly. I'm suspecting... A lot of this stuff is answered in the films/vids I suggested.. Like i pointed out in the other thread one of the major issues is you have zero understanding or experience with the scientific method. Pointing out ethical problems with the status quo does not remove the ethical problems of what you have proposed And it just doesnt work, one simple look at human beings should tell you why" Deja vu | |||
"I can't imagine it actually. Is Citizen Smith back on Dave? Nobody knows what Citizen Smith is. Is it Communist? That's because he eventually grew up, embraced Capitalism, became a Dentist and moved to Chiswick. Pretty much what happens to Communism really
Dare you to try "Aren't Commies Hot?" in the US forum OP, you like a little excitement...
Mr ddc"taken that dare | |||
" Profit = torture for some people. Communism / Facism / Feudalism any other stupid ism = torture for a lot of people. Capitalism is an -ism and arguably kills a lot of people. Furthermore, I don; think you can lump feudalism or fascism with communism. " The subject was torture and the numbers of people tortured hit an all time high with Stalin communist regime. Torture was the equivalent of detective work back in our feudal period but you could argue that was more to do with the times than the system. To be fair, facists probably tortured the least because it was too inefficient. | |||
"I can't imagine it actually. Is Citizen Smith back on Dave? Nobody knows what Citizen Smith is. Is it Communist? That's because he eventually grew up, embraced Capitalism, became a Dentist and moved to Chiswick. Pretty much what happens to Communism really
Dare you to try "Aren't Commies Hot?" in the US forum OP, you like a little excitement...
Mr ddctaken that dare"I can't wait to see how this one plays out! Popcorn and haribo at the ready | |||
" No with the ethical issue sof thevtesting. Plus what works based on eveidence is capitalism. Evidentially speaking its the best solution so far. But experimenting on people to find better ones raises serious ethical problems. Take frostbite. Modern treatment programs for it all originate from unit 731's work. Now you tell me the problem with "what works" based on how we found it out. Experimenting on people? Sorry but a social system that is currently destroying THE BIO-SHPERE OF AN ENTIRE PLANET is not a system that is working. I don't see these serious ethical problems (of which Capitalism has many...and not small ones). TVP won't be forced on anyone. It's non-violent. So anyone who is part of it wants to be. I'm suspecting that these people who are very much against it haven't really checked it out. Have maybe had a quick glimpse of the website but not looked into it properly. I'm suspecting... A lot of this stuff is answered in the films/vids I suggested.. Like i pointed out in the other thread one of the major issues is you have zero understanding or experience with the scientific method. Pointing out ethical problems with the status quo does not remove the ethical problems of what you have proposed And it just doesnt work, one simple look at human beings should tell you why Deja vu " Awww did that earn me a block some how lol? | |||
" No with the ethical issue sof thevtesting. Plus what works based on eveidence is capitalism. Evidentially speaking its the best solution so far. But experimenting on people to find better ones raises serious ethical problems. Take frostbite. Modern treatment programs for it all originate from unit 731's work. Now you tell me the problem with "what works" based on how we found it out. Experimenting on people? Sorry but a social system that is currently destroying THE BIO-SHPERE OF AN ENTIRE PLANET is not a system that is working. I don't see these serious ethical problems (of which Capitalism has many...and not small ones). TVP won't be forced on anyone. It's non-violent. So anyone who is part of it wants to be. I'm suspecting that these people who are very much against it haven't really checked it out. Have maybe had a quick glimpse of the website but not looked into it properly. I'm suspecting... A lot of this stuff is answered in the films/vids I suggested.. Like i pointed out in the other thread one of the major issues is you have zero understanding or experience with the scientific method. Pointing out ethical problems with the status quo does not remove the ethical problems of what you have proposed And it just doesnt work, one simple look at human beings should tell you why Deja vu Awww did that earn me a block some how lol?" Removed. | |||
" Like i pointed out in the other thread one of the major issues is you have zero understanding or experience with the scientific method. Pointing out ethical problems with the status quo does not remove the ethical problems of what you have proposed And it just doesnt work, one simple look at human beings should tell you why" I did point out that TVP would not be forced and only people who wanted to be there would be there, to answer the ethical thing. I do understand the scientific method. You've just made that assumption on not a lot of info about me or TVP. Taking a simple look a humans should tell me what? Which human? Because we don't all behave the same and we seem to be a product of our environment. | |||
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"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'. Good points. I'd always attributed it to the embarrassment that we had to ally with Stalin in WW2.... Not only did we ally with him, the e Russians probably did more for a victory than any other nation, in fact if you look at ww2 war dead, you'll notice the Russians lost more people to Hitler than every other nation combined!. The communists were reactionaries to the Tzarists, Russia had a long long record of brutality!. And don't forget that every Russian was taught that the tzar was also God in fact... All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism. It's always a good idea to base your analysis on fact rather than opinion. Tsarist Russia was an Orthodox Christian country and, as such, would have followed the basis Christian churches' ideology when it came to power and authority. Christian believe would not accept that any man, other than the Christ, could be a god or God. The ideology was that all power and authority ultimately comes from God and that Christian Kings and Emperors were ordained and elected directly by God to administer His authority and justice on earth. This is also the basis of our own monarchy and was also one of the legal defences used by Charles I when he was tried for treason. Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungry, Yugoslavia were not theocracies as you try to claim, they were all either constitutional democratic monarchies (as officially Britain still is) or democracies. The trouble was they just jumped from one theocracy to another, from worshipping one deity to another, servitude, slavery, it fitted perfectly with their old values. See you think they were Atheists but in fact all they did was swap deities and theocracies. As proof just look to north Korea. The leader is God, what he says goes, there's no discention, he tells you the best way to lead your life, who to hate who to love, in fact kim Jung has wonderful moralistic values for every Korean.. Imposed directly through violence and intimidation! His people worship him and seek higher guidance.... Communism wasn't corrupt, neither is capitalism.... People are corrupt and they will corrupt any system.... Capitalism just took longer ". The tzar was a God like deity, the whole basis of Russian culture before Lenin was in all effect based upon this!. You said it yourself, ordained straight from God to pass on his authority... Mohammed?. I never actually mentioned Poland or any of the other countries you mention so not quite sure how they come into it. But I strand by my analysis that north Korea is for all intense and purposes a theocracy based upon a God like structure (Kim Jung) | |||
"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'. Good points. I'd always attributed it to the embarrassment that we had to ally with Stalin in WW2.... Not only did we ally with him, the e Russians probably did more for a victory than any other nation, in fact if you look at ww2 war dead, you'll notice the Russians lost more people to Hitler than every other nation combined!. The communists were reactionaries to the Tzarists, Russia had a long long record of brutality!. And don't forget that every Russian was taught that the tzar was also God in fact... All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism. The trouble was they just jumped from one theocracy to another, from worshipping one deity to another, servitude, slavery, it fitted perfectly with their old values. See you think they were Atheists but in fact all they did was swap deities and theocracies. As proof just look to north Korea. The leader is God, what he says goes, there's no discention, he tells you the best way to lead your life, who to hate who to love, in fact kim Jung has wonderful moralistic values for every Korean.. Imposed directly through violence and intimidation! His people worship him and seek higher guidance.... Communism wasn't corrupt, neither is capitalism.... People are corrupt and they will corrupt any system.... Capitalism just took longer
The Russians lost more because they placed no value on thier soldiers lives.
Penal brigades were sent ro do mine clearing.
This was acomplished by having the soldiers form a line shoulder to shoulder and march theough the minefeild.
They used troops asncannon fodder giving them fake wooden gun replicas and were ordered to rush the enemy (or get mowed down by thier own machine guns)
They didnt lose so many because they forght the most but because they just threw men away as expendable ". That's all correct but your wrong on the last point the Russians killed more German soldiers, destroyed more German tanks and because of the ability to do what you described tied up more German resources. You can try to make it sound like they were "just" cannon fodder but that would be wholly inaccurate. They were feared for their brutality and in the end that fear did a great deal of physiological damage. There is still a debate between historians on whether the Japanese surrendered because of the h bombs or because they were well aware that Russia had come through Korea and were only days away from invading mainland Japan | |||
" Profit = torture for some people. Communism / Facism / Feudalism any other stupid ism = torture for a lot of people. And Capitalism..but that one seems to be ok for some reason even though it's not working." I think the point is is that you are saying capitalism is bad because it leads to the torture of SOME people whilst she is saying the other 'isms are worse because they lead to the torture of LOTS of people. Just trying to clarify. | |||
"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'. Good points. I'd always attributed it to the embarrassment that we had to ally with Stalin in WW2.... Not only did we ally with him, the e Russians probably did more for a victory than any other nation, in fact if you look at ww2 war dead, you'll notice the Russians lost more people to Hitler than every other nation combined!. The communists were reactionaries to the Tzarists, Russia had a long long record of brutality!. And don't forget that every Russian was taught that the tzar was also God in fact... All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism. It's always a good idea to base your analysis on fact rather than opinion. Tsarist Russia was an Orthodox Christian country and, as such, would have followed the basis Christian churches' ideology when it came to power and authority. Christian believe would not accept that any man, other than the Christ, could be a god or God. The ideology was that all power and authority ultimately comes from God and that Christian Kings and Emperors were ordained and elected directly by God to administer His authority and justice on earth. This is also the basis of our own monarchy and was also one of the legal defences used by Charles I when he was tried for treason. Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungry, Yugoslavia were not theocracies as you try to claim, they were all either constitutional democratic monarchies (as officially Britain still is) or democracies. The trouble was they just jumped from one theocracy to another, from worshipping one deity to another, servitude, slavery, it fitted perfectly with their old values. See you think they were Atheists but in fact all they did was swap deities and theocracies. As proof just look to north Korea. The leader is God, what he says goes, there's no discention, he tells you the best way to lead your life, who to hate who to love, in fact kim Jung has wonderful moralistic values for every Korean.. Imposed directly through violence and intimidation! His people worship him and seek higher guidance.... Communism wasn't corrupt, neither is capitalism.... People are corrupt and they will corrupt any system.... Capitalism just took longer .
The tzar was a God like deity, the whole basis of Russian culture before Lenin was in all effect based upon this!.
You said it yourself, ordained straight from God to pass on his authority... Mohammed?.
I never actually mentioned Poland or any of the other countries you mention so not quite sure how they come into it.
But I strand by my analysis that north Korea is for all intense and purposes a theocracy based upon a God like structure (Kim Jung)"There maybe some bases for what you are saying. The whole 'cult of the personality' thing can do often look quite similar to religious deification however I think the analogy (especially in the case of the Russian Tsars is both misleading and unhelpful in any attempt to try and understand either monarchism as practiced in Christian Europe or Communism as practised in Russia, China or North Korea. As for the countries I mentioned, I mentioned them in response to your comment "All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism". The countries I mentioned were or had been democracies before communism was forced onto them. | |||
"Most of the overbearing communists disappeared in the late 80's when communism was exposed as the bankrupt, bankrupting philosophy and ideology that it always had been. Unfortunately, with the passage of time, the lessons of history are never really learnt and a lot of them are starting to reappear as Corbynistas. And if you really have never met overbearing communists then you probably didn't spend much time on university campuses or in some Student Union bars in the 80's. One thing I genuinely don't understand (although I have my theories) is why communism isn't a dirty word the way facism is? They are both terrible systems with horrific records that would shame any objective look at the history. Yet you still see the odd communist group, load and proud on the streets at election time. Because the basis principles that communism is based on are actually quite good such as equality; to each according to their need, from each according to their ability. It appeals to peoples instinct to help and support each other. In the other hand fascism's only redeeming fundamental is the idea that working together as a group you can achieve more than just working as individuals. Fascism other fundamentals normally involve dividing people in to grounds of 'us' and 'them' or 'other'. Good points. I'd always attributed it to the embarrassment that we had to ally with Stalin in WW2.... Not only did we ally with him, the e Russians probably did more for a victory than any other nation, in fact if you look at ww2 war dead, you'll notice the Russians lost more people to Hitler than every other nation combined!. The communists were reactionaries to the Tzarists, Russia had a long long record of brutality!. And don't forget that every Russian was taught that the tzar was also God in fact... All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism. It's always a good idea to base your analysis on fact rather than opinion. Tsarist Russia was an Orthodox Christian country and, as such, would have followed the basis Christian churches' ideology when it came to power and authority. Christian believe would not accept that any man, other than the Christ, could be a god or God. The ideology was that all power and authority ultimately comes from God and that Christian Kings and Emperors were ordained and elected directly by God to administer His authority and justice on earth. This is also the basis of our own monarchy and was also one of the legal defences used by Charles I when he was tried for treason. Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungry, Yugoslavia were not theocracies as you try to claim, they were all either constitutional democratic monarchies (as officially Britain still is) or democracies. The trouble was they just jumped from one theocracy to another, from worshipping one deity to another, servitude, slavery, it fitted perfectly with their old values. See you think they were Atheists but in fact all they did was swap deities and theocracies. As proof just look to north Korea. The leader is God, what he says goes, there's no discention, he tells you the best way to lead your life, who to hate who to love, in fact kim Jung has wonderful moralistic values for every Korean.. Imposed directly through violence and intimidation! His people worship him and seek higher guidance.... Communism wasn't corrupt, neither is capitalism.... People are corrupt and they will corrupt any system.... Capitalism just took longer .
The tzar was a God like deity, the whole basis of Russian culture before Lenin was in all effect based upon this!.
You said it yourself, ordained straight from God to pass on his authority... Mohammed?.
I never actually mentioned Poland or any of the other countries you mention so not quite sure how they come into it.
But I strand by my analysis that north Korea is for all intense and purposes a theocracy based upon a God like structure (Kim Jung)
There maybe some bases for what you are saying. The whole 'cult of the personality' thing can do often look quite similar to religious deification however I think the analogy (especially in the case of the Russian Tsars is both misleading and unhelpful in any attempt to try and understand either monarchism as practiced in Christian Europe or Communism as practised in Russia, China or North Korea.
As for the countries I mentioned, I mentioned them in response to your comment "All the old communist countries were countries dropping out from superstitious super natural beings theocracy, so they were almost pre programmed to escape to communism". The countries I mentioned were or had been democracies before communism was forced onto them.". Ahh no I was talking about the originals like China, Korea and Russia, the eastern European ones were really about imperialism rather than revolution!. It always strikes me as rather sad when people go on about hire awful Stalin was, yeah the guy was a monster but honestly was he any worse than tzars?. You know people only jump ship into brand new ideologies when all hope is lost in the current one! Lenin waltzed into Russia and was loved by Russians... That alone should tell you how bad life under the tzar was! | |||
" Profit = torture for some people. Communism / Facism / Feudalism any other stupid ism = torture for a lot of people. And Capitalism..but that one seems to be ok for some reason even though it's not working. I think the point is is that you are saying capitalism is bad because it leads to the torture of SOME people whilst she is saying the other 'isms are worse because they lead to the torture of LOTS of people. Just trying to clarify." Bingo | |||
