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By *Male OP Man
over a year ago
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Non professional comm's during work hours. Naughty naughty
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bosses-can-monitor-employees-private-messages-on-whatsapp-and-other-messaging-services-court-rules-34361206.html
In a case put before the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), judges ruled that a company which had read an employee's messages sent through Yahoo Messenger while he was at work was within its rights to do so.
The ruling said the man, an engineer in Romania, had breached company policy and his employer had a right to check if he was completing his work.
The employee had asked the court to rule the employer had breached his right to confidential correspondence when it accessed his messages in 2007, before sacking him after discovering he had used the app to chat to his fiancee and brother as well as professional contacts.
This was denied, with the judges outlining that it was not "unreasonable that an employer would want to verify that employees were completing their professional tasks during working hours".
The company's policy had also prohibited the use of the messaging app for personal conversations.
They added: "The employer acted within its disciplinary powers since, as the domestic courts found, it had accessed the Yahoo Messenger account on the assumption that the information in question had been related to professional activities and that such access had therefore been legitimate. The court sees no reason to question these findings."
The ruling affects all EU countries that have ratified the European Convention on Human Rights, which includes Britain.
In passing down the ruling, the judges also said that unregulated snooping on employees would not be acceptable, and called on a set of polices to be drawn up by employers that would clearly state what information they could collect and how.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If the yahoo messenger account was a company email address then fair enough.
Again with the Whatsapp if it was a work group...we have one!
NOT, however a private account totally separate from work.
But catching someone on such a service, when they should be working productively could be a disciplinary matter.....so that's probably half the daytime forumites taking a risk lol! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If the yahoo messenger account was a company email address then fair enough.
Again with the Whatsapp if it was a work group...we have one!
NOT, however a private account totally separate from work.
But catching someone on such a service, when they should be working productively could be a disciplinary matter.....so that's probably half the daytime forumites taking a risk lol!"
Unless you are self employed  |
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By *errygTV/TS
over a year ago
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a lot of firms clamping down on phone use as well i see loads of people texting while in works time, most places wouldnt mind the odd text or phone call, but a lot are taking the piss, one place i was at, banned mob phones but if you wanted to receive or call you could use the office phone, there again someone on nights spent over a hour chatting to his wife this flagged up, if you employed a builder on 120 a day, and he spent hours on their phone you would get pissed off, as for emails on works computer these will show up, as i said the odd email or phone call most firms wouldnt mind |
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By *Male OP Man
over a year ago
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More specific detail needed really but whatever it is, it becomes part of EU law.
Personally I cannot imagine an employer being allowed to real-time monitor employee's personal accounts & comms via their personal device via their personal connection inside of work hours.
However maybe if your caught in certain circumstances, using an employers device, an employers connection or foolishly bulls#it it was business comms you forfeit personal privacy rights.
As said though specific details need to be known.
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer! 
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.  "
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction! |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction!"
We won't need to worry too much if we leave the EU. Work will be much rarer. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction!
We won't need to worry too much if we leave the EU. Work will be much rarer."
Yet more scaremongering. Toyota said just the other day they would continue with their business here as normal if Britain leaves the EU. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have many times in my professional life had to check up on a member of staff to see what they are up to when they are supposed to be working. This was in their contract that they agreed to and in the companies computer use policy. But I never got to the point of what they did on their own phones. Just the companies computers. amazing how many did shopping during work time! lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As someone who works in an IT dept we occasionally have to investigat perople's computer useage. If you're using the corporate network then a company has every right to see what you do on it.
Just use your mobile internet on your phone and make sure you don't have your WiFi enabled incase your phone auto connects to any company wireless networks. |
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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago
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"if you employed a builder on 120 a day, and he spent hours on their phone you would get pissed off,
£120 a day??? ahhhh .... you're talking about first year apprentices??!!!??  "
Definatley competent trades are commanding upwards of £180 + per day |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes. "
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU"
Logic doesn't work here, you should know that by now. |
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"if you employed a builder on 120 a day, and he spent hours on their phone you would get pissed off,
£120 a day??? ahhhh .... you're talking about first year apprentices??!!!??
Definatley competent trades are commanding upwards of £180 + per day "
... on part time hours maybe |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU
Logic doesn't work here, you should know that by now. "
Try emotive slogans, name calling and CAPITAL LETTERS, some people seem to find those more CONVINCING |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Non professional comm's during work hours. Naughty naughty
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bosses-can-monitor-employees-private-messages-on-whatsapp-and-other-messaging-services-court-rules-34361206.html
In a case put before the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), judges ruled that a company which had read an employee's messages sent through Yahoo Messenger while he was at work was within its rights to do so.
The ruling said the man, an engineer in Romania, had breached company policy and his employer had a right to check if he was completing his work.
The employee had asked the court to rule the employer had breached his right to confidential correspondence when it accessed his messages in 2007, before sacking him after discovering he had used the app to chat to his fiancee and brother as well as professional contacts.
This was denied, with the judges outlining that it was not "unreasonable that an employer would want to verify that employees were completing their professional tasks during working hours".
The company's policy had also prohibited the use of the messaging app for personal conversations.
They added: "The employer acted within its disciplinary powers since, as the domestic courts found, it had accessed the Yahoo Messenger account on the assumption that the information in question had been related to professional activities and that such access had therefore been legitimate. The court sees no reason to question these findings."
The ruling affects all EU countries that have ratified the European Convention on Human Rights, which includes Britain.
In passing down the ruling, the judges also said that unregulated snooping on employees would not be acceptable, and called on a set of polices to be drawn up by employers that would clearly state what information they could collect and how.
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Why did you mention whatsapp?
Unless its a works phone they arent going to be able to ask you for yours |
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By *andm288Couple
over a year ago
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"if you employed a builder on 120 a day, and he spent hours on their phone you would get pissed off,
£120 a day??? ahhhh .... you're talking about first year apprentices??!!!??
Definatley competent trades are commanding upwards of £180 + per day
... on part time hours maybe"
Well I think you would get at least 7.5 hrs work out of them for that I'm doing 13 hr days at the moment  |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU"
Correct:
1. It derives from the Council of Europe; which is also nothing to do with the EU.
2. The UK was a founding member of the Council of Europe.
3. The UK was also one of the Leaders in establishing the ECHR.
4. Leaving the EU would have no effect on our dealings with the EHCR; it's a separate treaty.
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When the interweb first hit big time, many people were sacked or disciplined for personal browsing on company time and equipment.
Things have relaxed a lot since then, but every employer I've ever worked for, has made it part of the t's and c's that they have the right to monitor all your use of company IT facilities. This is quite normal, so I'd advise checking your contracts to see what you agreed to as an employee.
These days, with smartphones and tablets, that includes any personal browsing/correspondence that goes over their network.
Where I work now, personal browsing etc is tolerated at the discretion of the line manager, as long as you get your work done.
If you don't want your employer to see what you're texting/whataspp/kik/sit on my facebook etc, then use your personal device, but not connected to the company wifi, otherwise, you'll find they have the right and capability to see exactly which sites and pages you've been on and exactly what you've written/posted/tweeted etc. |
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over a year ago
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WhatsApp is end to end encrypted (thats whats pissing the government off so much) even if you use thier wifi they will not be able to see anything but random data |
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"WhatsApp is end to end encrypted (thats whats pissing the government off so much) even if you use thier wifi they will not be able to see anything but random data"
Ah, I did not realise they'd implemented PKI (I don't use whatsapp), but it doesn't surprise me greatly as I was evangelising the technology back in the early 90s when Banks were starting to adopt it. So yes, with PKI end to end, you'd be pretty safe as regards content, but your employer could still log the amount of traffic, time spent and possibly the destination, so if personal use is against their AUP, you'd still be liable for disciplinary proceedings. As I say, check your contracts. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU
Correct:
1. It derives from the Council of Europe; which is also nothing to do with the EU.
2. The UK was a founding member of the Council of Europe.
3. The UK was also one of the Leaders in establishing the ECHR.
4. Leaving the EU would have no effect on our dealings with the EHCR; it's a separate treaty.
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And let's not forget the ironic twist that the ECHR (the convention and the court) do not apply to either the EU or EU law because the EU isn't a member of the council of Europe. They really couldn't be much more separate. I blame the educational system just a little bit  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yahoo Messenger - not encrypted and can be read (as per opening post).
Whatapp - encrypted, but traffic can be monitored, though content cannot be read by conventional means. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It all boils down to being paid to do a job for X number of hours a day.
You should work those hours not be on your phone unless it's work related.
End of, leave your job if you don't like it.
Obviously checking Fab doesn't count |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction!
We won't need to worry too much if we leave the EU. Work will be much rarer.
Yet more scaremongering. Toyota said just the other day they would continue with their business here as normal if Britain leaves the EU."
Thank goodness. We can all work for Toyota.
I do think the anti EU mob need to examine the meaning of hypocrisy if they start accusations of scaremongering. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU
Correct:
1. It derives from the Council of Europe; which is also nothing to do with the EU.
2. The UK was a founding member of the Council of Europe.
3. The UK was also one of the Leaders in establishing the ECHR.
4. Leaving the EU would have no effect on our dealings with the EHCR; it's a separate treaty.
And let's not forget the ironic twist that the ECHR (the convention and the court) do not apply to either the EU or EU law because the EU isn't a member of the council of Europe. They really couldn't be much more separate. I blame the educational system just a little bit "
Perfect opportunity to educate yourself some more then. Try reading the link to the independent that the OP posted. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction!
We won't need to worry too much if we leave the EU. Work will be much rarer.
Yet more scaremongering. Toyota said just the other day they would continue with their business here as normal if Britain leaves the EU.
Thank goodness. We can all work for Toyota.
I do think the anti EU mob need to examine the meaning of hypocrisy if they start accusations of scaremongering. "
Toyota is just the latest company name to drop the scaremongering, many others had done so before. The information is freely available if you care to look. |
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They'll access my phone via my arse.
We already work an amount of overtime unpaid equivalent to, or greater than our annual leave here. No such employer expecting that will make further restrictions to my personal life. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU
Correct:
1. It derives from the Council of Europe; which is also nothing to do with the EU.
2. The UK was a founding member of the Council of Europe.
3. The UK was also one of the Leaders in establishing the ECHR.
4. Leaving the EU would have no effect on our dealings with the EHCR; it's a separate treaty.
And let's not forget the ironic twist that the ECHR (the convention and the court) do not apply to either the EU or EU law because the EU isn't a member of the council of Europe. They really couldn't be much more separate. I blame the educational system just a little bit
Perfect opportunity to educate yourself some more then. Try reading the link to the independent that the OP posted. "
You really don't understand the difference between the ECHR, the Council of Europe, the European court of Justice and the EU, do you? I'd have thought after all the UKIP indoctrination you've swallowed from head office you'd understand it a little bit. Leaving the EU would have no effect whatsoever on the UK's membership of the Council of Europe and hence the ECHR. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction!
We won't need to worry too much if we leave the EU. Work will be much rarer.
Yet more scaremongering. Toyota said just the other day they would continue with their business here as normal if Britain leaves the EU.
Thank goodness. We can all work for Toyota.
I do think the anti EU mob need to examine the meaning of hypocrisy if they start accusations of scaremongering.
Toyota is just the latest company name to drop the scaremongering, many others had done so before. The information is freely available if you care to look. "
So what he said was that they'd stay in Britain and "In the sense that investment equals capacity, then various things come into it, like the size of the market" i.e. they'd reduce their investment because Britain alone represents a smaller market. You wouldn't care about that because it leads to lost jobs in Toyota and you don't work for them. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction!
We won't need to worry too much if we leave the EU. Work will be much rarer.
Yet more scaremongering. Toyota said just the other day they would continue with their business here as normal if Britain leaves the EU.
Thank goodness. We can all work for Toyota.
I do think the anti EU mob need to examine the meaning of hypocrisy if they start accusations of scaremongering.
Toyota is just the latest company name to drop the scaremongering, many others had done so before. The information is freely available if you care to look.
So what he said was that they'd stay in Britain and "In the sense that investment equals capacity, then various things come into it, like the size of the market" i.e. they'd reduce their investment because Britain alone represents a smaller market. You wouldn't care about that because it leads to lost jobs in Toyota and you don't work for them."
As someone else already posted on the thread, cutting EU business red tape by leaving the EU could actually increase Toyota's business in Britain (and everyone else's business for that matter). But never mind you just carry on with your scaremongering. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction!
We won't need to worry too much if we leave the EU. Work will be much rarer.
Yet more scaremongering. Toyota said just the other day they would continue with their business here as normal if Britain leaves the EU.
Thank goodness. We can all work for Toyota.
I do think the anti EU mob need to examine the meaning of hypocrisy if they start accusations of scaremongering.
Toyota is just the latest company name to drop the scaremongering, many others had done so before. The information is freely available if you care to look.
So what he said was that they'd stay in Britain and "In the sense that investment equals capacity, then various things come into it, like the size of the market" i.e. they'd reduce their investment because Britain alone represents a smaller market. You wouldn't care about that because it leads to lost jobs in Toyota and you don't work for them.
As someone else already posted on the thread, cutting EU business red tape by leaving the EU could actually increase Toyota's business in Britain (and everyone else's business for that matter). But never mind you just carry on with your scaremongering. "
You can try this from the FT: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9bbcd386-7f89-11e3-b6a7-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz3xAjmsqkb
“The UK’s membership of the EU has always been an important consideration for Toyota, from our original decision to invest here and indeed to this day,” Toyota said in a statement. “Like a lot of international investors in this country, open access to the European Single Market has been and remains crucial to our business success.
Over 80 per cent of cars produced in Toyota’s factory near Derby are exported to continental Europe.
Carlos Ghosn, chief executive of Nissan, which builds more than 500,000 cars a year at its British plant in Sunderland and is one of the country’s most valuable exporters, said in November that the Japanese company would be forced to reconsider its future investments in the UK if it were to leave the EU."
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU
Correct:
1. It derives from the Council of Europe; which is also nothing to do with the EU.
2. The UK was a founding member of the Council of Europe.
3. The UK was also one of the Leaders in establishing the ECHR.
4. Leaving the EU would have no effect on our dealings with the EHCR; it's a separate treaty.
And let's not forget the ironic twist that the ECHR (the convention and the court) do not apply to either the EU or EU law because the EU isn't a member of the council of Europe. They really couldn't be much more separate. I blame the educational system just a little bit
Perfect opportunity to educate yourself some more then. Try reading the link to the independent that the OP posted.
You really don't understand the difference between the ECHR, the Council of Europe, the European court of Justice and the EU, do you? I'd have thought after all the UKIP indoctrination you've swallowed from head office you'd understand it a little bit. Leaving the EU would have no effect whatsoever on the UK's membership of the Council of Europe and hence the ECHR."
I understand the difference perfectly well thankyou. The ECHR and the EU are intrinsically linked together. One does something it affects the other and vice versa. Did you bother to read the link the OP posted. Maybe you should write to the independent and educate them?
I'm sure they will reply and educate you by telling you that you can't have one without the other. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU
Correct:
1. It derives from the Council of Europe; which is also nothing to do with the EU.
2. The UK was a founding member of the Council of Europe.
3. The UK was also one of the Leaders in establishing the ECHR.
4. Leaving the EU would have no effect on our dealings with the EHCR; it's a separate treaty.
And let's not forget the ironic twist that the ECHR (the convention and the court) do not apply to either the EU or EU law because the EU isn't a member of the council of Europe. They really couldn't be much more separate. I blame the educational system just a little bit
Perfect opportunity to educate yourself some more then. Try reading the link to the independent that the OP posted.
You really don't understand the difference between the ECHR, the Council of Europe, the European court of Justice and the EU, do you? I'd have thought after all the UKIP indoctrination you've swallowed from head office you'd understand it a little bit. Leaving the EU would have no effect whatsoever on the UK's membership of the Council of Europe and hence the ECHR.
I understand the difference perfectly well thankyou. The ECHR and the EU are intrinsically linked together. One does something it affects the other and vice versa. Did you bother to read the link the OP posted. Maybe you should write to the independent and educate them?
I'm sure they will reply and educate you by telling you that you can't have one without the other. "
Did you not notice that the OP was a cut and paste of the link? I find it hard not to be rude about this, but you don't have a clue about the relationship (or lack of) between the ECHR and the EU and it's futile to try to help you, you'll just get more confused. Your simple view that they both contain the word Europe somewhere and that makes them BAD will have to do since you can't be bothered to find out any facts. You're content with ignorance, so just enjoy it and that people will sit idly by while you spout nonsense.
Now do try to get back on the topic |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction!
We won't need to worry too much if we leave the EU. Work will be much rarer.
Yet more scaremongering. Toyota said just the other day they would continue with their business here as normal if Britain leaves the EU.
Thank goodness. We can all work for Toyota.
I do think the anti EU mob need to examine the meaning of hypocrisy if they start accusations of scaremongering.
Toyota is just the latest company name to drop the scaremongering, many others had done so before. The information is freely available if you care to look.
So what he said was that they'd stay in Britain and "In the sense that investment equals capacity, then various things come into it, like the size of the market" i.e. they'd reduce their investment because Britain alone represents a smaller market. You wouldn't care about that because it leads to lost jobs in Toyota and you don't work for them.
As someone else already posted on the thread, cutting EU business red tape by leaving the EU could actually increase Toyota's business in Britain (and everyone else's business for that matter). But never mind you just carry on with your scaremongering.
You can try this from the FT: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9bbcd386-7f89-11e3-b6a7-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz3xAjmsqkb
“The UK’s membership of the EU has always been an important consideration for Toyota, from our original decision to invest here and indeed to this day,” Toyota said in a statement. “Like a lot of international investors in this country, open access to the European Single Market has been and remains crucial to our business success.
Over 80 per cent of cars produced in Toyota’s factory near Derby are exported to continental Europe.
Carlos Ghosn, chief executive of Nissan, which builds more than 500,000 cars a year at its British plant in Sunderland and is one of the country’s most valuable exporters, said in November that the Japanese company would be forced to reconsider its future investments in the UK if it were to leave the EU."
Now do try to get back on topic "
Telling yourself to get back on topic again, oh dear you seem to be making a habit of doing that as you told yourself off the other day for taking the Germans new year sexual assault by migrants thread off topic. 
Now as for Toyota if you had been taking any notice of the news over the last few days you would know they said they would continue to do business as normal here in the event of Britain leaving the EU.
I never mentioned Nissan so no idea why you mention them, unless of course you want to take the thread even further off topic? |
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Won't make the slightest bit of difference.
The EU is finished, it's just a matter of time, it served a purpose that's no longer there!
Might have escaped peoples notice but the rise of the right is everywhere in Europe and is gaining ground fast!.
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU
Correct:
1. It derives from the Council of Europe; which is also nothing to do with the EU.
2. The UK was a founding member of the Council of Europe.
3. The UK was also one of the Leaders in establishing the ECHR.
4. Leaving the EU would have no effect on our dealings with the EHCR; it's a separate treaty.
And let's not forget the ironic twist that the ECHR (the convention and the court) do not apply to either the EU or EU law because the EU isn't a member of the council of Europe. They really couldn't be much more separate. I blame the educational system just a little bit
Perfect opportunity to educate yourself some more then. Try reading the link to the independent that the OP posted.
You really don't understand the difference between the ECHR, the Council of Europe, the European court of Justice and the EU, do you? I'd have thought after all the UKIP indoctrination you've swallowed from head office you'd understand it a little bit. Leaving the EU would have no effect whatsoever on the UK's membership of the Council of Europe and hence the ECHR.
I understand the difference perfectly well thankyou. The ECHR and the EU are intrinsically linked together. One does something it affects the other and vice versa. Did you bother to read the link the OP posted. Maybe you should write to the independent and educate them?
I'm sure they will reply and educate you by telling you that you can't have one without the other.
Did you not notice that the OP was a cut and paste of the link? I find it hard not to be rude about this, but you don't have a clue about the relationship (or lack of) between the ECHR and the EU and it's futile to try to help you, you'll just get more confused. Your simple view that they both contain the word Europe somewhere and that makes them BAD will have to do since you can't be bothered to find out any facts. You're content with ignorance, so just enjoy it and that people will sit idly by while you spout nonsense.
Now do try to get back on the topic"
Ok if you want to be pedantic why don't you cut and paste the link. Even better for your simple brain to process it why don't you write it down on a piece of paper then manually type it into your Internet browser one letter/number at a time.
Maybe writing an email to the independent is too complicated for you, so your best bet would be to do it the old fashioned way and put pen to paper, pop it in an envelope, put a stamp on it and post it in the letterbox. Glad to be of service. |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
Or, just get one with your work and get off the phone/email or any other distraction!
We won't need to worry too much if we leave the EU. Work will be much rarer.
Yet more scaremongering. Toyota said just the other day they would continue with their business here as normal if Britain leaves the EU.
Thank goodness. We can all work for Toyota.
I do think the anti EU mob need to examine the meaning of hypocrisy if they start accusations of scaremongering.
Toyota is just the latest company name to drop the scaremongering, many others had done so before. The information is freely available if you care to look.
So what he said was that they'd stay in Britain and "In the sense that investment equals capacity, then various things come into it, like the size of the market" i.e. they'd reduce their investment because Britain alone represents a smaller market. You wouldn't care about that because it leads to lost jobs in Toyota and you don't work for them.
As someone else already posted on the thread, cutting EU business red tape by leaving the EU could actually increase Toyota's business in Britain (and everyone else's business for that matter). But never mind you just carry on with your scaremongering.
You can try this from the FT: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/9bbcd386-7f89-11e3-b6a7-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz3xAjmsqkb
“The UK’s membership of the EU has always been an important consideration for Toyota, from our original decision to invest here and indeed to this day,” Toyota said in a statement. “Like a lot of international investors in this country, open access to the European Single Market has been and remains crucial to our business success.
Over 80 per cent of cars produced in Toyota’s factory near Derby are exported to continental Europe.
Carlos Ghosn, chief executive of Nissan, which builds more than 500,000 cars a year at its British plant in Sunderland and is one of the country’s most valuable exporters, said in November that the Japanese company would be forced to reconsider its future investments in the UK if it were to leave the EU."
Now do try to get back on topic
Telling yourself to get back on topic again, oh dear you seem to be making a habit of doing that as you told yourself off the other day for taking the Germans new year sexual assault by migrants thread off topic.
Now as for Toyota if you had been taking any notice of the news over the last few days you would know they said they would continue to do business as normal here in the event of Britain leaving the EU.
I never mentioned Nissan so no idea why you mention them, unless of course you want to take the thread even further off topic? "
There you go, I gave you a nice link to a respectable financial newspaper to read and you couldn't be bothered - take your own advice and read the link. To use your method of debate 'go and argue with the FT and tell them they've got it wrong'.
Now do try to get back on topic - what's your view on using your employer's computers for personal messgaing? |
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"Moral of the story....use ya phone not works computer!
Another one could be tell the EU to do one and vote leave when the the referendum comes.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU
Correct:
1. It derives from the Council of Europe; which is also nothing to do with the EU.
2. The UK was a founding member of the Council of Europe.
3. The UK was also one of the Leaders in establishing the ECHR.
4. Leaving the EU would have no effect on our dealings with the EHCR; it's a separate treaty.
And let's not forget the ironic twist that the ECHR (the convention and the court) do not apply to either the EU or EU law because the EU isn't a member of the council of Europe. They really couldn't be much more separate. I blame the educational system just a little bit
Perfect opportunity to educate yourself some more then. Try reading the link to the independent that the OP posted.
You really don't understand the difference between the ECHR, the Council of Europe, the European court of Justice and the EU, do you? I'd have thought after all the UKIP indoctrination you've swallowed from head office you'd understand it a little bit. Leaving the EU would have no effect whatsoever on the UK's membership of the Council of Europe and hence the ECHR.
I understand the difference perfectly well thankyou. The ECHR and the EU are intrinsically linked together. One does something it affects the other and vice versa. Did you bother to read the link the OP posted. Maybe you should write to the independent and educate them?
I'm sure they will reply and educate you by telling you that you can't have one without the other.
Did you not notice that the OP was a cut and paste of the link? I find it hard not to be rude about this, but you don't have a clue about the relationship (or lack of) between the ECHR and the EU and it's futile to try to help you, you'll just get more confused. Your simple view that they both contain the word Europe somewhere and that makes them BAD will have to do since you can't be bothered to find out any facts. You're content with ignorance, so just enjoy it and that people will sit idly by while you spout nonsense.
Now do try to get back on the topic
Ok if you want to be pedantic why don't you cut and paste the link. Even better for your simple brain to process it why don't you write it down on a piece of paper then manually type it into your Internet browser one letter/number at a time.
Maybe writing an email to the independent is too complicated for you, so your best bet would be to do it the old fashioned way and put pen to paper, pop it in an envelope, put a stamp on it and post it in the letterbox. Glad to be of service. "
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"Won't make the slightest bit of difference.
The EU is finished, it's just a matter of time, it served a purpose that's no longer there!
Might have escaped peoples notice but the rise of the right is everywhere in Europe and is gaining ground fast!.
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The tories want to leave the ECHR and as you say the people now look like they are rejecting the EU. Personally I'll be glad to see the back of all their bullshit. |
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"Won't make the slightest bit of difference.
The EU is finished, it's just a matter of time, it served a purpose that's no longer there!
Might have escaped peoples notice but the rise of the right is everywhere in Europe and is gaining ground fast!.
The tories want to leave the ECHR and as you say the people now look like they are rejecting the EU. Personally I'll be glad to see the back of all their bullshit. "
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It's the transition of societal pressures and economic influence.
The EU is fucked, economically speaking, they've got massive debts and with massive debts comes less money to purchase stuff..
China's been manufacturing for the world for the last twenty years and there manufacturing is going down hill month after month along with nearly every western countries.
The resource based countries like Canada and Brazil have been entering recession for the last year, oil is dropping through the floor, the banks are no safer today than they were in 08 and no less failed, nearly every single national bank is insolvent.
The stock exchange is bloated with cheap credit, company's with falling profits and sales are seeing stocks rise while mining companies stocks are crashing.
World debt is 5 times world trade and we've got a disparity between the haves and the have nots the likes of which the world has never seen...
And somehow banding a few countries together will fix it!!
You can fool some of the people some of the time but eventually it comes back to bite you on the ass!
It's like arguing about Japanese investment...
Hello, take a good look at Japan and tell me that's a sound economic bet for the future before greasing my palm with Japanese investment..
It's a global market, has been for 25 years now, the EU has the mentality of the UK.. Stick together and we'll be just fine?.
It's just fucking nonsense from a theocratic political institution that's quite frankly as outdated as borders.
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"Non professional comm's during work hours. Naughty naughty
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bosses-can-monitor-employees-private-messages-on-whatsapp-and-other-messaging-services-court-rules-34361206.html
In a case put before the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), judges ruled that a company which had read an employee's messages sent through Yahoo Messenger while he was at work was within its rights to do so.
The ruling said the man, an engineer in Romania, had breached company policy and his employer had a right to check if he was completing his work.
The employee had asked the court to rule the employer had breached his right to confidential correspondence when it accessed his messages in 2007, before sacking him after discovering he had used the app to chat to his fiancee and brother as well as professional contacts.
This was denied, with the judges outlining that it was not "unreasonable that an employer would want to verify that employees were completing their professional tasks during working hours".
The company's policy had also prohibited the use of the messaging app for personal conversations.
They added: "The employer acted within its disciplinary powers since, as the domestic courts found, it had accessed the Yahoo Messenger account on the assumption that the information in question had been related to professional activities and that such access had therefore been legitimate. The court sees no reason to question these findings."
The ruling affects all EU countries that have ratified the European Convention on Human Rights, which includes Britain.
In passing down the ruling, the judges also said that unregulated snooping on employees would not be acceptable, and called on a set of polices to be drawn up by employers that would clearly state what information they could collect and how.
Press Association
Why did you mention whatsapp?
Unless its a works phone they arent going to be able to ask you for yours"
I didnt personally mention or add in whats app. Try checking the headline in the orig link & artical above. Also my comments a few posts after the op when it comes to personal comms & employers comms |
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