FabSwingers.com > Forums > The Lounge > MPs to debate English national anthem.
MPs to debate English national anthem.
Jump to: Newest in thread
 |
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Cant we get someone to write a new one? There are plenty of good composers around, failing that Gary Barlow can knock something out"
Oh gawd I now have a mental image of Garry Barlow knocking one out |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I think the national anthem is fully acceptable for state occasions and for British team events.
I find it so sad my countries leaders are so embarrassed about feeling patriotic about England when we have to embrace every others including Scotland Ireland and Wales.
God save the Queen for Britishness.
Don't mind either Land of hope and Glory or Jerusalem for any English event. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"They really have nothing better to debate? Like really?  "
Probably Corbyn's idea as the prat refused to sing God save the Queen. Just keep things as they are no need to change. The England football team have God save the Queen as the national anthem before matches it would be weird to listen to something different now. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I think the national anthem is fully acceptable for state occasions and for British team events.
God save the Queen for Britishness.
"
Yep there is nothing better than a jingoistic song about some invisible sky fairy saving someone (with loads of castles and money) because of some 'magical bloodline'. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"They really have nothing better to debate? Like really?
Probably Corbyn's idea as the prat refused to sing God save the Queen. Just keep things as they are no need to change. The England football team have God save the Queen as the national anthem before matches it would be weird to listen to something different now. "
Can you enlighten me as to what is actually wrong with refusing to sing the National Anthem? I haven't sung it since I was a child and realised what a load of hokum it is.
Do we need to puff our chests out and belt out a duff tune with really rather stupid lyrics in order to show our patriotism? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"They really have nothing better to debate? Like really?
Probably Corbyn's idea as the prat refused to sing God save the Queen. Just keep things as they are no need to change. The England football team have God save the Queen as the national anthem before matches it would be weird to listen to something different now.
Can you enlighten me as to what is actually wrong with refusing to sing the National Anthem? I haven't sung it since I was a child and realised what a load of hokum it is.
Do we need to puff our chests out and belt out a duff tune with really rather stupid lyrics in order to show our patriotism?"
In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly. However he's happy to puff his chest out and belt out a duff tune with rather stupid lyrics called "we'll keep the red flag flying here" funny he doesn't realise what a load of hokum that is. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly."
so with you not personally finding anything offensive in him not singing the anthem you have become offended by it on other peoples behalf then? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"So what song would you like?"
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly.
so with you not personally finding anything offensive in him not singing the anthem you have become offended by it on other peoples behalf then?"
I didn't say I found it offensive, helps if you actually read what I said. The word I used was disrespectful.  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly.
so with you not personally finding anything offensive in him not singing the anthem you have become offended by it on other peoples behalf then?
I didn't say I found it offensive, helps if you actually read what I said. The word I used was disrespectful. "
but you're clearly offended though from what you wrote .... can't see why myself but then some folks go out of their way to be offended i heard. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"So what song would you like?
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem."
I think its nothing anti royal but God save the Queen is a British/Commonwealth Anthem
I love the Royals but would love to sing our own one in say spoting events.
I go to the last night of the proms most years and Land of hope and Glory is recieved and sung with great pleasure by all. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly.
so with you not personally finding anything offensive in him not singing the anthem you have become offended by it on other peoples behalf then?
I didn't say I found it offensive, helps if you actually read what I said. The word I used was disrespectful.
but you're clearly offended though from what you wrote .... can't see why myself but then some folks go out of their way to be offended i heard."
You are clearly trying to put words in my mouth that I haven't said. Keep clutching at straws someone may eventually believe you. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I think the national anthem is fully acceptable for state occasions and for British team events.
God save the Queen for Britishness.
Yep there is nothing better than a jingoistic song about some invisible sky fairy saving someone (with loads of castles and money) because of some 'magical bloodline'."
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly.
so with you not personally finding anything offensive in him not singing the anthem you have become offended by it on other peoples behalf then?
I didn't say I found it offensive, helps if you actually read what I said. The word I used was disrespectful.
but you're clearly offended though from what you wrote .... can't see why myself but then some folks go out of their way to be offended i heard.
You are clearly trying to put words in my mouth that I haven't said. "
no ..... they are words you have written though .... today in fact .... but you already know this don't you. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"They really have nothing better to debate? Like really?
Probably Corbyn's idea as the prat refused to sing God save the Queen. Just keep things as they are no need to change. The England football team have God save the Queen as the national anthem before matches it would be weird to listen to something different now.
Can you enlighten me as to what is actually wrong with refusing to sing the National Anthem? I haven't sung it since I was a child and realised what a load of hokum it is.
Do we need to puff our chests out and belt out a duff tune with really rather stupid lyrics in order to show our patriotism?
In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly. However he's happy to puff his chest out and belt out a duff tune with rather stupid lyrics called "we'll keep the red flag flying here" funny he doesn't realise what a load of hokum that is. "
I don't really want to turn this into another Corbyn debate, was rather wondering what the point of National Anthems - any, not just our own - are?
Not being facetious. I consider myself to be a proud of where I come from but don't feel need to sing about it (although being an atheist republican may have some bearing on that)
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly.
so with you not personally finding anything offensive in him not singing the anthem you have become offended by it on other peoples behalf then?
I didn't say I found it offensive, helps if you actually read what I said. The word I used was disrespectful.
but you're clearly offended though from what you wrote .... can't see why myself but then some folks go out of their way to be offended i heard.
You are clearly trying to put words in my mouth that I haven't said.
no ..... they are words you have written though .... today in fact .... but you already know this don't you."
I already pointed it out to you the word I used was 'disrespectful' not 'offended'. In fact you quoted me on it, lol. Feel free to scroll back up the thread and read it again. Then read it another 5 times just to be sure.  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"So what song would you like?
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem."
there's no legal foundation for God Save the Wrinkly Old Meat Sack either, but out of the three tunes i'd say Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is the most impressive both musically and lyrically as an anthem. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly.
so with you not personally finding anything offensive in him not singing the anthem you have become offended by it on other peoples behalf then?
I didn't say I found it offensive, helps if you actually read what I said. The word I used was disrespectful.
but you're clearly offended though from what you wrote .... can't see why myself but then some folks go out of their way to be offended i heard.
You are clearly trying to put words in my mouth that I haven't said.
no ..... they are words you have written though .... today in fact .... but you already know this don't you.
I already pointed it out to you the word I used was 'disrespectful' not 'offended'. In fact you quoted me on it, lol. Feel free to scroll back up the thread and read it again. Then read it another 5 times just to be sure. "
so whay are you grumbling about corbyn if you're not offended?
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"So what song would you like?
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem.
there's no legal foundation for God Save the Wrinkly Old Meat Sack either, but out of the three tunes i'd say Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is the most impressive both musically and lyrically as an anthem."
Exactly, so we don't need law here either. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"So what song would you like?
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem.
there's no legal foundation for God Save the Wrinkly Old Meat Sack either, but out of the three tunes i'd say Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is the most impressive both musically and lyrically as an anthem.
Exactly, so we don't need law here either."
that's quite true ... but you should consider ditching it just because it sounds ridiculous when it's sung and makes anyone who isn't english smirk to say the least. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"So what song would you like?
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem.
there's no legal foundation for God Save the Wrinkly Old Meat Sack either, but out of the three tunes i'd say Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is the most impressive both musically and lyrically as an anthem.
Exactly, so we don't need law here either.
that's quite true ... but you should consider ditching it just because it sounds ridiculous when it's sung and makes anyone who isn't english smirk to say the least."
God save the Queen is the British national anthem. As an example it gets played when Welsh and Scottish athletes collect their medals at the Olympics. If that makes you smirk I think it says more about you than anyone else really. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"God save the Queen is the British national anthem. As an example it gets played when Welsh and Scottish athletes collect their medals at the Olympics. If that makes you smirk I think it says more about you than anyone else really. "
yeah ... it says as a tune i find it a ridiculously outdated military marching band style with a lyrical content that is equally outdated and bizarre .... but then i don't really care about your anthem or infact the lack of it. i'm merely offering constructive criticism of an appallingly poor song.
( had to delete ... too many typos  ) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"So what song would you like?
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem.
there's no legal foundation for God Save the Wrinkly Old Meat Sack either, but out of the three tunes i'd say Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is the most impressive both musically and lyrically as an anthem.
Exactly, so we don't need law here either.
that's quite true ... but you should consider ditching it just because it sounds ridiculous when it's sung and makes anyone who isn't english smirk to say the least.
God save the Queen is the British national anthem. As an example it gets played when Welsh and Scottish athletes collect their medals at the Olympics. If that makes you smirk I think it says more about you than anyone else really. "
If the English football, rugby team or hockey whatever association chooses like the welsh and scotish associations, that's a matter for them but for my part I am not a republican and there is the stench of a republican propaganda plot to sideline the monarchy behind this. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"God save the Queen is the British national anthem. As an example it gets played when Welsh and Scottish athletes collect their medals at the Olympics. If that makes you smirk I think it says more about you than anyone else really.
yeah ... it says as a tune i find it a ridiculously outdated military marching band style with a lyrical content that is equally outdated and bizarre .... but then i don't really care about your anthem or infact the lack of it. i'm merely offering constructive criticism of an appallingly poor song.
( had to delete ... too many typos )"
It's not my anthem, it becomes the Welsh anthem when Welsh athletes collect their medals at the Olympics, same for the Scots. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *landAnnCouple
over a year ago
Inverness |
"So what song would you like?
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem.
there's no legal foundation for God Save the Wrinkly Old Meat Sack either, but out of the three tunes i'd say Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is the most impressive both musically and lyrically as an anthem.
Exactly, so we don't need law here either.
that's quite true ... but you should consider ditching it just because it sounds ridiculous when it's sung and makes anyone who isn't english smirk to say the least.
God save the Queen is the British national anthem. As an example it gets played when Welsh and Scottish athletes collect their medals at the Olympics. If that makes you smirk I think it says more about you than anyone else really. "
-------------------------------
How can God Save the Queen be the British national anthem, seriously..... it contains words about crushing the Scots etc,....
It is the English national anthem.
You are correct, Scottish and Welsh athletes do collect medals at the Olympics to the tune of God Save the Queen, but that is only because the Scottish and Welsh anthems are not an option... at the Olympics.
---------------------------
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"So what song would you like?
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem.
there's no legal foundation for God Save the Wrinkly Old Meat Sack either, but out of the three tunes i'd say Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is the most impressive both musically and lyrically as an anthem.
Exactly, so we don't need law here either.
that's quite true ... but you should consider ditching it just because it sounds ridiculous when it's sung and makes anyone who isn't english smirk to say the least.
God save the Queen is the British national anthem. As an example it gets played when Welsh and Scottish athletes collect their medals at the Olympics. If that makes you smirk I think it says more about you than anyone else really.
If the English football, rugby team or hockey whatever association chooses like the welsh and scotish associations, that's a matter for them but for my part I am not a republican and there is the stench of a republican propaganda plot to sideline the monarchy behind this."
It's nonsense that MP's are even debating it. Should just be left the way things are. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's not my anthem, it becomes the Welsh anthem when Welsh athletes collect their medals at the Olympics, same for the Scots. "
irrelevant to the debate .... the issue remains that the anthem in question is extremely poor both musically and lyrically and maybe on the strength of that, the english may wish to change it out of embarrassment |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's not my anthem, it becomes the Welsh anthem when Welsh athletes collect their medals at the Olympics, same for the Scots.
irrelevant to the debate .... the issue remains that the anthem in question is extremely poor both musically and lyrically and maybe on the strength of that, the english may wish to change it out of embarrassment"
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I like it as the British anthem and I like it as the English anthem before football matches. Hope it stays the way it is and whoever decided to debate this nonsense in the commons should be sacked. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's not my anthem, it becomes the Welsh anthem when Welsh athletes collect their medals at the Olympics, same for the Scots.
irrelevant to the debate .... the issue remains that the anthem in question is extremely poor both musically and lyrically and maybe on the strength of that, the english may wish to change it out of embarrassment
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I like it as the British anthem and I like it as the English anthem before football matches. Hope it stays the way it is and whoever decided to debate this nonsense in the commons should be sacked. "
there's clearly plenty of other english people who would like it changed or they wouldn't be debating such an important issue in the commons |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
I had a text from Sky News asking if (a) I supported a change; or (b) did not support a change.
I answered (b) which was followed up with a supplementary question asking me which of 4 options I'd like to change to!
D'oh! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"So what song would you like?
We already have a National Anthem. I have no idea what this has to do with parliament. There is no legal foundation for Flower of Scotland which, by the way celebrates a battle against England nor Land of my Father's. I'm a Monarchist and this is a way of getting rid of our real
national anthem.
there's no legal foundation for God Save the Wrinkly Old Meat Sack either, but out of the three tunes i'd say Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is the most impressive both musically and lyrically as an anthem.
Exactly, so we don't need law here either.
that's quite true ... but you should consider ditching it just because it sounds ridiculous when it's sung and makes anyone who isn't english smirk to say the least.
God save the Queen is the British national anthem. As an example it gets played when Welsh and Scottish athletes collect their medals at the Olympics. If that makes you smirk I think it says more about you than anyone else really.
-------------------------------
How can God Save the Queen be the British national anthem, seriously..... it contains words about crushing the Scots etc,....
It is the English national anthem.
You are correct, Scottish and Welsh athletes do collect medals at the Olympics to the tune of God Save the Queen, but that is only because the Scottish and Welsh anthems are not an option... at the Olympics.
---------------------------
"
Well Flower of Scotland celebrates Robert Bruce's battle victory over Edward II. But they lost the war. As an aside, the Act of Union 1707 came about because Scotland was bankrupt after they lost all their money in a hairbrain scheme called the Darien Venture (that is worth googling). - a scheme to colonise part of S America. England bailed them out, Scotland would not have been able to stand on their own feet (they gambled similarly in 2014 on oil prices) .... |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's not my anthem, it becomes the Welsh anthem when Welsh athletes collect their medals at the Olympics, same for the Scots.
irrelevant to the debate .... the issue remains that the anthem in question is extremely poor both musically and lyrically and maybe on the strength of that, the english may wish to change it out of embarrassment
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I like it as the British anthem and I like it as the English anthem before football matches. Hope it stays the way it is and whoever decided to debate this nonsense in the commons should be sacked.
there's clearly plenty of other english people who would like it changed or they wouldn't be debating such an important issue in the commons"
You dont think it could be some SNP Mp or anti monarchist republican like Corbyn trying to forward their own personal agendas that called the motion? No that could never happen could it, lol. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
" Well Flower of Scotland celebrates Robert Bruce's battle victory over Edward II. But they lost the war. As an aside, the Act of Union 1707 came about because Scotland was bankrupt after they lost all their money in a hairbrain scheme called the Darien Venture (that is worth googling). - a scheme to colonise part of S America. England bailed them out, Scotland would not have been able to stand on their own feet (they gambled similarly in 2014 on oil prices) .... "
not sure what this sort of imperialistic jingoism has to do with how truly aweful a song the anthem in question is or wether england should for the first time in hitory actually have any anthem at all .... maybe you could enlighten us |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's not my anthem, it becomes the Welsh anthem when Welsh athletes collect their medals at the Olympics, same for the Scots.
irrelevant to the debate .... the issue remains that the anthem in question is extremely poor both musically and lyrically and maybe on the strength of that, the english may wish to change it out of embarrassment
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I like it as the British anthem and I like it as the English anthem before football matches. Hope it stays the way it is and whoever decided to debate this nonsense in the commons should be sacked.
there's clearly plenty of other english people who would like it changed or they wouldn't be debating such an important issue in the commons
You dont think it could be some SNP Mp or anti monarchist republican like Corbyn trying to forward their own personal agendas that called the motion? No that could never happen could it, lol. "
get the foil hats the conspiracies have started  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Nothing sounds better than when the Liverpool fans start singing their anthem...shame it couldn't be Englands
I'd top miself before I became a Liverpiddle!"
Don't be like that...chill out and relax with some nice wine n cheese |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's not my anthem, it becomes the Welsh anthem when Welsh athletes collect their medals at the Olympics, same for the Scots.
irrelevant to the debate .... the issue remains that the anthem in question is extremely poor both musically and lyrically and maybe on the strength of that, the english may wish to change it out of embarrassment
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I like it as the British anthem and I like it as the English anthem before football matches. Hope it stays the way it is and whoever decided to debate this nonsense in the commons should be sacked.
there's clearly plenty of other english people who would like it changed or they wouldn't be debating such an important issue in the commons
You dont think it could be some SNP Mp or anti monarchist republican like Corbyn trying to forward their own personal agendas that called the motion? No that could never happen could it, lol.
get the foil hats the conspiracies have started "
Well if a Labour MP suggests changing it to that awful dross called "Let's keep the red flag flying here" we'll all know it's true. Citizen Smith was a comedy and it had that tune on the opening credits, fitting really that it is also the Labour party anthem considering the comedy they have turned into over the last few months. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's not my anthem, it becomes the Welsh anthem when Welsh athletes collect their medals at the Olympics, same for the Scots.
irrelevant to the debate .... the issue remains that the anthem in question is extremely poor both musically and lyrically and maybe on the strength of that, the english may wish to change it out of embarrassment
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I like it as the British anthem and I like it as the English anthem before football matches. Hope it stays the way it is and whoever decided to debate this nonsense in the commons should be sacked.
there's clearly plenty of other english people who would like it changed or they wouldn't be debating such an important issue in the commons
You dont think it could be some SNP Mp or anti monarchist republican like Corbyn trying to forward their own personal agendas that called the motion? No that could never happen could it, lol.
get the foil hats the conspiracies have started
Well if a Labour MP suggests changing it to that awful dross called "Let's keep the red flag flying here" we'll all know it's true. Citizen Smith was a comedy and it had that tune on the opening credits, fitting really that it is also the Labour party anthem considering the comedy they have turned into over the last few months. "
again, not sure what any of this outpouring has to do with how awful the anthem concerned is and wether the english should adopt an anthem for the first time ever. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Nothing sounds better than when the Liverpool fans start singing their anthem...shame it couldn't be Englands
I'd top miself before I became a Liverpiddle!
Don't be like that...chill out and relax with some nice wine n cheese "
....and before I knew it I'd be harangued with a story about how you'd been victimised by someone or other...noooo thanks!  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's not my anthem, it becomes the Welsh anthem when Welsh athletes collect their medals at the Olympics, same for the Scots.
irrelevant to the debate .... the issue remains that the anthem in question is extremely poor both musically and lyrically and maybe on the strength of that, the english may wish to change it out of embarrassment
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I like it as the British anthem and I like it as the English anthem before football matches. Hope it stays the way it is and whoever decided to debate this nonsense in the commons should be sacked.
there's clearly plenty of other english people who would like it changed or they wouldn't be debating such an important issue in the commons
You dont think it could be some SNP Mp or anti monarchist republican like Corbyn trying to forward their own personal agendas that called the motion? No that could never happen could it, lol.
get the foil hats the conspiracies have started
Well if a Labour MP suggests changing it to that awful dross called "Let's keep the red flag flying here" we'll all know it's true. Citizen Smith was a comedy and it had that tune on the opening credits, fitting really that it is also the Labour party anthem considering the comedy they have turned into over the last few months.
again, not sure what any of this outpouring has to do with how awful the anthem concerned is and wether the english should adopt an anthem for the first time ever."
read the above and you'll see what I was answering.
It doesn't matter whether or not it is bad, it is the anthem and it celebrates the monarchy. Are you a republican by any chance...? let's see the colour of your money...be open |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Nothing sounds better than when the Liverpool fans start singing their anthem...shame it couldn't be Englands
I'd top miself before I became a Liverpiddle!
Don't be like that...chill out and relax with some nice wine n cheese
....and before I knew it I'd be harangued with a story about how you'd been victimised by someone or other...noooo thanks! "
Nonsense...we are a happy bunch here in Yorkshire |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It doesn't matter whether or not it is bad, it is the anthem and it celebrates the monarchy. Are you a republican by any chance...? let's see the colour of your money...be open"
it matters greatly as it is the crux of the debate ..... england hasn't got an anthem and the commons is discussing wether they should and if so what the anthem should be. it would seem that a great many english people are uncomfortable with having a national, cultural and musical emblem which purely dwells on celebrating monarchy and they feel it says nothing about how it feels to be english nor does it give them anything to identify with other than being subjegated to an archaic constitution |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It doesn't matter whether or not it is bad, it is the anthem and it celebrates the monarchy. Are you a republican by any chance...? let's see the colour of your money...be open
it matters greatly as it is the crux of the debate ..... england hasn't got an anthem and the commons is discussing wether they should and if so what the anthem should be. it would seem that a great many english people are uncomfortable with having a national, cultural and musical emblem which purely dwells on celebrating monarchy and they feel it says nothing about how it feels to be english nor does it give them anything to identify with other than being subjegated to an archaic constitution "
ah! right...you are a republican and you are trying to sideline the monarchy though you can't quite bring yourself to say it.
This is surrepticious. Let's have a discussion about the Monarchy and Republicanism then. What kind of Republic are you looking at, the French or US model? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
I don't care what the English sing as long as they don't commandeer an existing British song as English, like Land of Hope & Glory.
There is something disgustingly perverse about seeing athletes standing on the podium and having their medal ceremonies used for the PR purposes of the British monarchy.
To have worked so hard to win an Olympic medal and to have to stand on that podium to sing about someone so completely unconnected to your hard work and achievements must be gut wrenching.
You represent your country at the Olympics, not your head of state.
But that's the British monarchy for you - nothing but a PR machine to ensure their own survival.
God Save the Queen? She'll be gone soon enough and hopefully people will not hold Charles in the same esteem and the anthem will be changed. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"They really have nothing better to debate? Like really?
Probably Corbyn's idea as the prat refused to sing God save the Queen. Just keep things as they are no need to change. The England football team have God save the Queen as the national anthem before matches it would be weird to listen to something different now. "
Good for him, not singing that royalist claptrap. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It doesn't matter whether or not it is bad, it is the anthem and it celebrates the monarchy. Are you a republican by any chance...? let's see the colour of your money...be open
it matters greatly as it is the crux of the debate ..... england hasn't got an anthem and the commons is discussing wether they should and if so what the anthem should be. it would seem that a great many english people are uncomfortable with having a national, cultural and musical emblem which purely dwells on celebrating monarchy and they feel it says nothing about how it feels to be english nor does it give them anything to identify with other than being subjegated to an archaic constitution
ah! right...you are a republican and you are trying to sideline the monarchy though you can't quite bring yourself to say it.
This is surrepticious. Let's have a discussion about the Monarchy and Republicanism then. What kind of Republic are you looking at, the French or US model?"
i'd rather discuss the present topic of a potential english national anthem thanks all the same.... start a new thread if you want to wander that far off topic with your conspiracy theories |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It doesn't matter whether or not it is bad, it is the anthem and it celebrates the monarchy. Are you a republican by any chance...? let's see the colour of your money...be open
it matters greatly as it is the crux of the debate ..... england hasn't got an anthem and the commons is discussing wether they should and if so what the anthem should be. it would seem that a great many english people are uncomfortable with having a national, cultural and musical emblem which purely dwells on celebrating monarchy and they feel it says nothing about how it feels to be english nor does it give them anything to identify with other than being subjegated to an archaic constitution "
What a load of rubbish, England does have an anthem which is God save the Queen which is also the British anthem. A great many English people are happy to leave things just the way they are (speaking as an Englishman). Why are you so concerned about what the English want when you are Welsh and have your own anthem anyway? Unless like TVRachel says you are a republican and that is the agenda you are pursuing (although it seems you can't openly admit it for what ever reason?) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I don't care what the English sing as long as they don't commandeer an existing British song as English, like Land of Hope & Glory.
There is something disgustingly perverse about seeing athletes standing on the podium and having their medal ceremonies used for the PR purposes of the British monarchy.
To have worked so hard to win an Olympic medal and to have to stand on that podium to sing about someone so completely unconnected to your hard work and achievements must be gut wrenching.
You represent your country at the Olympics, not your head of state.
But that's the British monarchy for you - nothing but a PR machine to ensure their own survival.
God Save the Queen? She'll be gone soon enough and hopefully people will not hold Charles in the same esteem and the anthem will be changed. "
That's better, this is not a discussion as to whether Land of Hope and Glory should be the anthem. It is a discussion on the constitution. At last you are in the open.
You prefer a President? an executive one or a ceremonial one. Seems to me those wanting to vchange need to say what they propose....so? let's discuss it. I'm actually open. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I don't care what the English sing as long as they don't commandeer an existing British song as English, like Land of Hope & Glory.
There is something disgustingly perverse about seeing athletes standing on the podium and having their medal ceremonies used for the PR purposes of the British monarchy.
To have worked so hard to win an Olympic medal and to have to stand on that podium to sing about someone so completely unconnected to your hard work and achievements must be gut wrenching.
You represent your country at the Olympics, not your head of state.
But that's the British monarchy for you - nothing but a PR machine to ensure their own survival.
God Save the Queen? She'll be gone soon enough and hopefully people will not hold Charles in the same esteem and the anthem will be changed.
That's better, this is not a discussion as to whether Land of Hope and Glory should be the anthem. It is a discussion on the constitution. At last you are in the open.
You prefer a President? an executive one or a ceremonial one. Seems to me those wanting to vchange need to say what they propose....so? let's discuss it. I'm actually open."
Why do we need to say what we propose?
Are we changing the constitutionality of the country via Fab? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"They really have nothing better to debate? Like really?
Probably Corbyn's idea as the prat refused to sing God save the Queen. Just keep things as they are no need to change. The England football team have God save the Queen as the national anthem before matches it would be weird to listen to something different now.
Can you enlighten me as to what is actually wrong with refusing to sing the National Anthem? I haven't sung it since I was a child and realised what a load of hokum it is.
Do we need to puff our chests out and belt out a duff tune with really rather stupid lyrics in order to show our patriotism?
In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly. However he's happy to puff his chest out and belt out a duff tune with rather stupid lyrics called "we'll keep the red flag flying here" funny he doesn't realise what a load of hokum that is. "
The working class can kiss my ass, I've got the foremans job at last.
I'm out of work and on the dole, so stick the red flag up yer 'ole.
Much prefer that version.  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Nothing sounds better than when the Liverpool fans start singing their anthem...shame it couldn't be Englands"
Must be a while since it's been heard as they are the archetypal 'sing when you're winning' bunch.  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
What a load of rubbish, England does have an anthem which is God save the Queen which is also the British anthem. A great many English people are happy to leave things just the way they are (speaking as an Englishman). Why are you so concerned about what the English want when you are Welsh and have your own anthem anyway? Unless like TVRachel says you are a republican and that is the agenda you are pursuing (although it seems you can't openly admit it for what ever reason?)"
get the foil hats back out the conspiracy theories have started again!!!
you're wrong.... england does not have an official anthem wether you like it or not .... god save the old cowbag is the united kingdom anthem and the commons is debating wether england should have it's own. i can't see the debate getting a staute through on account of the english seeming to have a distinct lack of national identity these days and being unable to make decision as a result. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"They really have nothing better to debate? Like really?
Probably Corbyn's idea as the prat refused to sing God save the Queen. Just keep things as they are no need to change. The England football team have God save the Queen as the national anthem before matches it would be weird to listen to something different now.
Can you enlighten me as to what is actually wrong with refusing to sing the National Anthem? I haven't sung it since I was a child and realised what a load of hokum it is.
Do we need to puff our chests out and belt out a duff tune with really rather stupid lyrics in order to show our patriotism?
In Corbyn's instance I think it was disrespectful of him to refuse to sing it at a memorial service for ww2 service personnel. No need to puff his chest out he could have just sung it quietly. However he's happy to puff his chest out and belt out a duff tune with rather stupid lyrics called "we'll keep the red flag flying here" funny he doesn't realise what a load of hokum that is.
The working class can kiss my ass, I've got the foremans job at last.
I'm out of work and on the dole, so stick the red flag up yer 'ole.
Much prefer that version. "
Me too, as citizen Smith would say power to the people and look around to find himself standing in an empty street. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I don't care what the English sing as long as they don't commandeer an existing British song as English, like Land of Hope & Glory.
There is something disgustingly perverse about seeing athletes standing on the podium and having their medal ceremonies used for the PR purposes of the British monarchy.
To have worked so hard to win an Olympic medal and to have to stand on that podium to sing about someone so completely unconnected to your hard work and achievements must be gut wrenching.
You represent your country at the Olympics, not your head of state.
But that's the British monarchy for you - nothing but a PR machine to ensure their own survival.
God Save the Queen? She'll be gone soon enough and hopefully people will not hold Charles in the same esteem and the anthem will be changed.
That's better, this is not a discussion as to whether Land of Hope and Glory should be the anthem. It is a discussion on the constitution. At last you are in the open.
You prefer a President? an executive one or a ceremonial one. Seems to me those wanting to vchange need to say what they propose....so? let's discuss it. I'm actually open.
Why do we need to say what we propose?
Are we changing the constitutionality of the country via Fab?"
lol, this'll go the same way as other discussions on here, people campaign for change without daring to say what with..and you are campaigning for change.
Maybe you'd prefer something like Germany...anyone know what his name is? or how much the German presidency costs? Well, it's about £26million a year as against 30m for the royal family. The previous President of Germany had to resign after allegations of corruption. Or maybe you'd like the US model where the president makes law but asks congress for the money. Currently the US president can't get his legislation through parliament. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I don't care what the English sing as long as they don't commandeer an existing British song as English, like Land of Hope & Glory.
There is something disgustingly perverse about seeing athletes standing on the podium and having their medal ceremonies used for the PR purposes of the British monarchy.
To have worked so hard to win an Olympic medal and to have to stand on that podium to sing about someone so completely unconnected to your hard work and achievements must be gut wrenching.
You represent your country at the Olympics, not your head of state.
But that's the British monarchy for you - nothing but a PR machine to ensure their own survival.
God Save the Queen? She'll be gone soon enough and hopefully people will not hold Charles in the same esteem and the anthem will be changed.
That's better, this is not a discussion as to whether Land of Hope and Glory should be the anthem. It is a discussion on the constitution. At last you are in the open.
You prefer a President? an executive one or a ceremonial one. Seems to me those wanting to vchange need to say what they propose....so? let's discuss it. I'm actually open.
Why do we need to say what we propose?
Are we changing the constitutionality of the country via Fab?
lol, this'll go the same way as other discussions on here, people campaign for change without daring to say what with..and you are campaigning for change.
Maybe you'd prefer something like Germany...anyone know what his name is? or how much the German presidency costs? Well, it's about £26million a year as against 30m for the royal family. The previous President of Germany had to resign after allegations of corruption. Or maybe you'd like the US model where the president makes law but asks congress for the money. Currently the US president can't get his legislation through parliament."
what are you talking about? 
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I don't care what the English sing as long as they don't commandeer an existing British song as English, like Land of Hope & Glory.
There is something disgustingly perverse about seeing athletes standing on the podium and having their medal ceremonies used for the PR purposes of the British monarchy.
To have worked so hard to win an Olympic medal and to have to stand on that podium to sing about someone so completely unconnected to your hard work and achievements must be gut wrenching.
You represent your country at the Olympics, not your head of state.
But that's the British monarchy for you - nothing but a PR machine to ensure their own survival.
God Save the Queen? She'll be gone soon enough and hopefully people will not hold Charles in the same esteem and the anthem will be changed.
That's better, this is not a discussion as to whether Land of Hope and Glory should be the anthem. It is a discussion on the constitution. At last you are in the open.
You prefer a President? an executive one or a ceremonial one. Seems to me those wanting to vchange need to say what they propose....so? let's discuss it. I'm actually open.
Why do we need to say what we propose?
Are we changing the constitutionality of the country via Fab?
lol, this'll go the same way as other discussions on here, people campaign for change without daring to say what with..and you are campaigning for change.
Maybe you'd prefer something like Germany...anyone know what his name is? or how much the German presidency costs? Well, it's about £26million a year as against 30m for the royal family. The previous President of Germany had to resign after allegations of corruption. Or maybe you'd like the US model where the president makes law but asks congress for the money. Currently the US president can't get his legislation through parliament."
If you can't tell the difference between having an opinion and 'campaigning for change' it's not my fault. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
what are you talking about?
"
"it would seem that a great many english people are uncomfortable with having a national, cultural and musical emblem which purely dwells on celebrating monarchy and they feel it says nothing about how it feels to be english nor does it give them anything to identify with other than being subjegated to an archaic constitution "
These were your words.
What would you replace the "archaic constitution" with? simple question. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I don't care what the English sing as long as they don't commandeer an existing British song as English, like Land of Hope & Glory.
There is something disgustingly perverse about seeing athletes standing on the podium and having their medal ceremonies used for the PR purposes of the British monarchy.
To have worked so hard to win an Olympic medal and to have to stand on that podium to sing about someone so completely unconnected to your hard work and achievements must be gut wrenching.
You represent your country at the Olympics, not your head of state.
But that's the British monarchy for you - nothing but a PR machine to ensure their own survival.
God Save the Queen? She'll be gone soon enough and hopefully people will not hold Charles in the same esteem and the anthem will be changed.
That's better, this is not a discussion as to whether Land of Hope and Glory should be the anthem. It is a discussion on the constitution. At last you are in the open.
You prefer a President? an executive one or a ceremonial one. Seems to me those wanting to change need to say what they propose....so? let's discuss it. I'm actually open.
Why do we need to say what we propose?
Are we changing the constitutionality of the country via Fab?
lol, this'll go the same way as other discussions on here, people campaign for change without daring to say what with..and you are campaigning for change.
Maybe you'd prefer something like Germany...anyone know what his name is? or how much the German presidency costs? Well, it's about £26million a year as against 30m for the royal family. The previous President of Germany had to resign after allegations of corruption. Or maybe you'd like the US model where the president makes law but asks congress for the money. Currently the US president can't get his legislation through parliament.
If you can't tell the difference between having an opinion and 'campaigning for change' it's not my fault. "
....so that's it? you don't want the monarchy but you don't know what you do want. lol. Anti-monarchism hits the dust. Personally, I like the pomp and ceremony of having a Royal Family.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"
God save the Queen is the British national anthem. As an example it gets played when Welsh and Scottish athletes collect their medals at the Olympics. If that makes you smirk I think it says more about you than anyone else really. "
but it doesn't get played when scots and welsh win medals at the commonwealth games... which was part of the point being made.....
in fact..... when the engish win medals at the commonwealths.... god save the queen isn't played either....
in glasgow it was "jerusalem"..... and before 2010 it was "land of hope and glory"
p.s centaur... if you want to turn it into a political slant, as per usual rather than ranting, you might want to do some research.... because before this labour mp brought it up.....the last 4 occasions it has been brought up in bills in parliament (in the last 4 complete sessions so it actually comes up fairly often....) it was actually nominated by conservative MP's........ |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
""it would seem that a great many english people are uncomfortable with having a national, cultural and musical emblem which purely dwells on celebrating monarchy and they feel it says nothing about how it feels to be english nor does it give them anything to identify with other than being subjegated to an archaic constitution "
These were your words.
What would you replace the "archaic constitution" with? simple question."
this question is completely irrelevant to the debate. i'm not sure what your personal agenda is here but the topic is about a piece of music not some kind of tacky republican witch hunt. the question you should clearly be asking is what song would you choose for an english national anthem surely |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
""it would seem that a great many english people are uncomfortable with having a national, cultural and musical emblem which purely dwells on celebrating monarchy and they feel it says nothing about how it feels to be english nor does it give them anything to identify with other than being subjegated to an archaic constitution "
These were your words.
What would you replace the "archaic constitution" with? simple question.
this question is completely irrelevant to the debate. i'm not sure what your personal agenda is here but the topic is about a piece of music not some kind of tacky republican witch hunt. the question you should clearly be asking is what song would you choose for an english national anthem surely "
.. and I would choose Land of Hope and Glory. Its a good song, uplifting and easy to sing along to. Much better than that awful dirge GSTQ which is only beaten in the cringeworthy stakes by that awful failed Scottish pop song from the 1970's.
At least the Welsh have a lovely anthem, although my favourite is the French. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
the marseillaise is a good dramatic tune that is well scored and the lyrical content is great comming from an angle of repelling invaders rather than god save the trouts lyrical angle of ruling over foreigners |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"the marseillaise is a good dramatic tune that is well scored and the lyrical content is great comming from an angle of repelling invaders rather than god save the trouts lyrical angle of ruling over foreigners"
Quite, its a song about what the people have done for themselves, about their pride in their Nation and their connection to that land, not an appeal to a vague God to look after a well-placed personage.
GSTQ is a Hanovarian anthem written at a time when the Hanovarians weren't sitting at all well on the throne that had rather unexpectedly been given to them. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
I would like a new song, along the lines of Ireland's Call. Nothing to do with religion, the past or the Royal Family, but celebrating a shared sense of unity and pride with an upbeat tune. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
To the theme from the great escape,,,,,
.
Mabel
I love you, Mabel
Love you as much as I am able
But, oh, Iím crazy
For little Daisy
She is the one girl for me
.
Fickle
I may be fickle
But it's a dollar to a nickel
.
That when I'm kissin'
The one I'm kissin'
She is the one girl for me
.
Carrie, I love you, Carrie.
But I don't think that we will marry.
'Cause that would hinder my love for Linda.
.
She is the one girl for me.
 |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"
God save the Queen is the British national anthem. As an example it gets played when Welsh and Scottish athletes collect their medals at the Olympics. If that makes you smirk I think it says more about you than anyone else really.
but it doesn't get played when scots and welsh win medals at the commonwealth games... which was part of the point being made.....
in fact..... when the engish win medals at the commonwealths.... god save the queen isn't played either....
in glasgow it was "jerusalem"..... and before 2010 it was "land of hope and glory"
p.s centaur... if you want to turn it into a political slant, as per usual rather than ranting, you might want to do some research.... because before this labour mp brought it up.....the last 4 occasions it has been brought up in bills in parliament (in the last 4 complete sessions so it actually comes up fairly often....) it was actually nominated by conservative MP's........"
GSTQ does get played before England football matches. You can bet in the summer when England play Wales in euro 2016, Wales will have their national anthem and England will have God save the Queen (which speaking as an English man I'm happy with).
As I asked bits and pieces why it concerns them what the English want when they are Welsh (which they refused to answer). I shall ask you why does it concern you what the English want when you are American? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"As I asked bits and pieces why it concerns them what the English want when they are Welsh (which they refused to answer)."
i pre-empted you by giving a reason earlier in the thread .... and in anycase, until we get independence you're stuck with us being allowed to have a say in things wether you like it or not and that say is god save the turd is a dull grating piece of music and the english might benefit from getting round to having an anthem of their own if they can ever manage to agree on what they all have in common with each other one day |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"As I asked bits and pieces why it concerns them what the English want when they are Welsh (which they refused to answer).
i pre-empted you by giving a reason earlier in the thread .... and in anycase, until we get independence you're stuck with us being allowed to have a say in things wether you like it or not and that say is god save the turd is a dull grating piece of music and the english might benefit from getting round to having an anthem of their own if they can ever manage to agree on what they all have in common with each other one day"
Lol you sound very bitter. An English parliament for English laws is just a matter of time. Just a matter of not if but when |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"As I asked bits and pieces why it concerns them what the English want when they are Welsh (which they refused to answer).
i pre-empted you by giving a reason earlier in the thread .... and in anycase, until we get independence you're stuck with us being allowed to have a say in things wether you like it or not and that say is god save the turd is a dull grating piece of music and the english might benefit from getting round to having an anthem of their own if they can ever manage to agree on what they all have in common with each other one day
Lol you sound very bitter. An English parliament for English laws is just a matter of time. Just a matter of not if but when "
the only bitter thing is the quality of the music and lyrics of god save the cockwomble to be fair |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I would like a new song, along the lines of Ireland's Call. Nothing to do with religion, the past or the Royal Family, but celebrating a shared sense of unity and pride with an upbeat tune."
Yes, something original that's actually about England. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
England, Half English by Billy Bragg
"Britannia, she's half English,
she speaks Latin at home
St. George was born in the Lebanon,
how he got here I don't know
And those three lions on your shirt
They never sprang from England's dirt
Them lions are half English
and I'm half English too"
It's the version of England I love...
...and since the original singer is sometimes accused of being tuneless I could confidently join in with gusto !! |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
Change the national anthem?! Does tradition mean nothing to you people?!?
By the way, what is it currently? 
