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I think I have just become a Bugfather...
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By *lfresco40 OP Man
over a year ago
Moulton, Northampton |
Allow me to explain... a close friend has just had an emergency Caesarian (mother and baby both well) and I had read some articles looking at each person's Biomeme and how important it is to health, immune system etc etc, that her daughter got a dose of her mother's bugs on the way out through the birth canal. They hadn't done that research, so I messaged her hubby (who I hardly know) with some links and the advice to get a flannel 'down below', and when mum was being stitched up and the baby was in his arms he should get that flannel and wipe it all over his new-born's face and bits. So, if I am lucky enough to see her over the course of her life I'll know I did that for her....  So I am her Bugfather... |
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over a year ago
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You messaged someone you hardly know to tell him to wipe a flannel on his partners vagina and then to wipe said flannel all over their newborn child?
WTF? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby  certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field! |
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You messaged someone you hardly know to tell him to wipe a flannel on his partners vagina and then to wipe said flannel all over their newborn child?
WTF? "
He did say close friend and it's well known that babies born by c section lose out on this benefit so well done OP for being well read/researched.
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By *lfresco40 OP Man
over a year ago
Moulton, Northampton |
I did indeed, and when he discussed it with her, her upbringing as a farmer's daughter meant she got it immediately. In fact, the hospital, Stoke Mandeville, said they are writing up a policy for the practice...
A good deed well done I think... |
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You messaged someone you hardly know to tell him to wipe a flannel on his partners vagina and then to wipe said flannel all over their newborn child?
WTF?
He did say close friend and it's well known that babies born by c section lose out on this benefit so well done OP for being well read/researched.
*Her* "
But babies may lose the benefit from the natural bacteria inside the birth canal but not the bacteria on the outside of the vagina  |
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You messaged someone you hardly know to tell him to wipe a flannel on his partners vagina and then to wipe said flannel all over their newborn child?
WTF?
He did say close friend and it's well known that babies born by c section lose out on this benefit so well done OP for being well read/researched.
*Her* "
He said he hardly knew the father.
Hence my comment.
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Has anyone commenting negatively actually been researching themselves for a caesarian or new baby recently? No? Then chances are you have no idea about new research.
The medical profession rarely recommend anything newly proven which is a real shame. They'll be reccomending it in a few years time...
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By *lfresco40 OP Man
over a year ago
Moulton, Northampton |
I think it's pretty logical if you accept that there are 'good' and 'bad' bacteria out there it makes sense to get your nearest and dearest populated with your family bugs, not some 'bloody foreigners'.
If you made all the cells that are 'you'; brain, muscle, tendon, skin, liver etc, etc, the same size as the bacteria that live in and on you, then totted them up to build a human illustration, the amount of 'you' would only be one leg up to the knee, the rest is bacteria.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has anyone commenting negatively actually been researching themselves for a caesarian or new baby recently? No? Then chances are you have no idea about new research.
The medical profession rarely recommend anything newly proven which is a real shame. They'll be reccomending it in a few years time...
*Her* "
Then in a few years time, if after my 5 pregnancies, 3 kids, emergency c-sections etc i have already had, I decide to have another baby and it is recommended by the medical professions then I would listen to their advice. It is not medically recommended at present, it may be possible research and or trials are being carried out into it but it is still not recommended at this moment within Labour and delivery wards in the UK. |
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By *lfresco40 OP Man
over a year ago
Moulton, Northampton |
The reason it's only coming to light now, is that most of the research into the bacterial world has focused on the Bad Boys, and kept looking in the same places, under 'street lamps' if you will, while ignoring all the good work that was going on in the shadows. Now they are starting to shine a light there, but if all your training, quite rightly, has been on sterile procedure, and you operate in today's litigious world, would YOU be brave enough, I'm not sure I would...
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"Has anyone commenting negatively actually been researching themselves for a caesarian or new baby recently? No? Then chances are you have no idea about new research.
The medical profession rarely recommend anything newly proven which is a real shame. They'll be reccomending it in a few years time...
*Her* "
Do you not think it's hugely inappropriate to discuss a stranger's wife's vagina? |
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!"
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health. |
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health. "
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional |
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional "
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K. |
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K."
Yes there is, but I for one take the medical advice given, not what I read on Google, not to say that is valid and worth discussing. In all my pregnancies and births, including a induced vbac delivery, something very few medical professionals like to deal with, I have taken the advice of those caring for me, and thankfully I have 3, now healthy kids. |
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"Has anyone commenting negatively actually been researching themselves for a caesarian or new baby recently? No? Then chances are you have no idea about new research.
The medical profession rarely recommend anything newly proven which is a real shame. They'll be reccomending it in a few years time...
*Her* "
Ok, lets have some persepctive.
1) My 'negative comments' (such as they were) were around how the OP presented his opening comments- that he had text someone he hardly knew with something so personal. I know two couples (whom I have been extremely close friends with for many years) who recently had children though c-section. I would never think to text them asking if they had performed such a procedure - let alone texting someone I hardly knew.
2) I was not familiar with the biomass transfer procedure, but (see above regarding close friends who have had c-sections) and it had never been mentioned by them. So, I've subsequently read three articles (one which is what I would describe as semi-scholarly) to understand the fundamentals of the procedure and its proposed benefits / risks. After reading, my second comment regarding it becoming automatic practice in c-sections still stands. I would therefore suggest that as more couples request it, that hospitals such as Stoke will write medical guidelines for people who wish to undertake the practice can do so safely. Sterile gauze will be provided prior to c-section which can then be removed and safely stored until post-procedure, and the biomass administered.
3) I'll be discussing this with one of my friends who is a Professor of Microbiology as I am interested in a professional opinion on the biomass principle and its benefits (not just articles in the Guardian).
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K.
Yes there is, but I for one take the medical advice given, not what I read on Google, not to say that is valid and worth discussing. In all my pregnancies and births, including a induced vbac delivery, something very few medical professionals like to deal with, I have taken the advice of those caring for me, and thankfully I have 3, now healthy kids."
Topsy's advice is medical advice |
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K.
Yes there is, but I for one take the medical advice given, not what I read on Google, not to say that is valid and worth discussing. In all my pregnancies and births, including a induced vbac delivery, something very few medical professionals like to deal with, I have taken the advice of those caring for me, and thankfully I have 3, now healthy kids.
Topsy's advice is medical advice "
By medical advice I meant advice given to me, by the medical professionals I have seen and met face to face, something I quite clearly stated. This procedure is not routinely recommended by medical practitioners in Labour and delivery wards. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K.
Yes there is, but I for one take the medical advice given, not what I read on Google, not to say that is valid and worth discussing. In all my pregnancies and births, including a induced vbac delivery, something very few medical professionals like to deal with, I have taken the advice of those caring for me, and thankfully I have 3, now healthy kids.
Topsy's advice is medical advice
By medical advice I meant advice given to me, by the medical professionals I have seen and met face to face, something I quite clearly stated. This procedure is not routinely recommended by medical practitioners in Labour and delivery wards."
Not all medical practitioners are as up to date with research. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K.
Yes there is, but I for one take the medical advice given, not what I read on Google, not to say that is valid and worth discussing. In all my pregnancies and births, including a induced vbac delivery, something very few medical professionals like to deal with, I have taken the advice of those caring for me, and thankfully I have 3, now healthy kids.
Topsy's advice is medical advice
By medical advice I meant advice given to me, by the medical professionals I have seen and met face to face, something I quite clearly stated. This procedure is not routinely recommended by medical practitioners in Labour and delivery wards.
Not all medical practitioners are as up to date with research."
No you are correct in that, but I would still take the advice given to me by the ones treating me than a procedure read on Google, especially without discussing it fully with the medical professional, which is doubtful in the case in point. |
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K.
Yes there is, but I for one take the medical advice given, not what I read on Google, not to say that is valid and worth discussing. In all my pregnancies and births, including a induced vbac delivery, something very few medical professionals like to deal with, I have taken the advice of those caring for me, and thankfully I have 3, now healthy kids.
Topsy's advice is medical advice
By medical advice I meant advice given to me, by the medical professionals I have seen and met face to face, something I quite clearly stated. This procedure is not routinely recommended by medical practitioners in Labour and delivery wards.
Not all medical practitioners are as up to date with research."
It's a huge risk him telling someone to do what he has.
Gbs could easily have travelled down the vagina and wiping a cloth covered in this infection over a newborns face is and can be deadly.
2000 babies are born and introduced to gbs in the uk every year out of those 1:10 die from the infection others left with life limiting conditions having been exposed.
Maybe it's best to let the lady follow medical advice given to her in hospital opposed to non proven medical advice or stuff not agreed by nice guidelines. |
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By *ee VianteWoman
over a year ago
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K.
Yes there is, but I for one take the medical advice given, not what I read on Google, not to say that is valid and worth discussing. In all my pregnancies and births, including a induced vbac delivery, something very few medical professionals like to deal with, I have taken the advice of those caring for me, and thankfully I have 3, now healthy kids.
Topsy's advice is medical advice
By medical advice I meant advice given to me, by the medical professionals I have seen and met face to face, something I quite clearly stated. This procedure is not routinely recommended by medical practitioners in Labour and delivery wards.
Not all medical practitioners are as up to date with research.
No you are correct in that, but I would still take the advice given to me by the ones treating me than a procedure read on Google, especially without discussing it fully with the medical professional, which is doubtful in the case in point."
A sensible approach, no doubt. Branding the advice codswallop because it's something you'd not been told is a bit unfair though. It is very legitimate information and is supported by research. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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well if mother breastfeeds at least for a c ouple of days the baby will get a good dose of goodness that apparently makes all the difference in the world |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K.
Yes there is, but I for one take the medical advice given, not what I read on Google, not to say that is valid and worth discussing. In all my pregnancies and births, including a induced vbac delivery, something very few medical professionals like to deal with, I have taken the advice of those caring for me, and thankfully I have 3, now healthy kids.
Topsy's advice is medical advice
By medical advice I meant advice given to me, by the medical professionals I have seen and met face to face, something I quite clearly stated. This procedure is not routinely recommended by medical practitioners in Labour and delivery wards.
Not all medical practitioners are as up to date with research.
No you are correct in that, but I would still take the advice given to me by the ones treating me than a procedure read on Google, especially without discussing it fully with the medical professional, which is doubtful in the case in point.
A sensible approach, no doubt. Branding the advice codswallop because it's something you'd not been told is a bit unfair though. It is very legitimate information and is supported by research."
Fair enough, I accept your point on my wording. |
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" I know a natural birth in most circumstances is better for both mum and baby but having had an emergency section myself I've never heard such codswallop about wiping the proceeds of a vagina over a baby certainly was never medically recommended to me by those medical professionals who are experts in this field!
It's not codswallop at all. Retired Midwife of ten days here and I can absolutely assure you that being exposed to the bugs from the gut and vagina are absolutely essential for a baby's health.
And as I said in a further post I don't disagree with that and the benefit of the bacteria etc from the birth canal being good, it's the wiping of the outside of the vagina and putting on a baby I have never heard or been recommended by a medical professional
There's quite a lot of things that medical professionals recommend that do far more harm than good, doesn't mean we don't have the responsibility to decide for ourselves if it's valid or not.
The practice has been going on for a while in mothers who understand the importance of it, it doesn't need a medics blessing. Babies are born in shit, pee, amniotic fluid and blood, it's all there for a reason, including the shit; it's loaded with vitamin K.
Yes there is, but I for one take the medical advice given, not what I read on Google, not to say that is valid and worth discussing. In all my pregnancies and births, including a induced vbac delivery, something very few medical professionals like to deal with, I have taken the advice of those caring for me, and thankfully I have 3, now healthy kids.
Topsy's advice is medical advice
By medical advice I meant advice given to me, by the medical professionals I have seen and met face to face, something I quite clearly stated. This procedure is not routinely recommended by medical practitioners in Labour and delivery wards.
Not all medical practitioners are as up to date with research.
It's a huge risk him telling someone to do what he has.
Gbs could easily have travelled down the vagina and wiping a cloth covered in this infection over a newborns face is and can be deadly.
2000 babies are born and introduced to gbs in the uk every year out of those 1:10 die from the infection others left with life limiting conditions having been exposed.
Maybe it's best to let the lady follow medical advice given to her in hospital opposed to non proven medical advice or stuff not agreed by nice guidelines. "
It's not quite as simple as that and far too complicated to explain here but the green top guidelines for the RCOG state that antibiotics should be OFFERED to women in labour who have been tested positive for GBS (a very common bug) at any time. There is no guarantee they will protect the baby or that the woman is even colonised at the time of birth but if accepted, massive doses of Abx are given and the dangers of that haven't even begin to be understood yet.
A vast majority don't get the Abx for various reasons and the current guidelines are simply to observe for signs of infection in the baby and this can be done at home by the parents. Of course, different trusts have vastly differing guidelines, therefor differing opinions from medics.
Taking advice blindly from any professional without doing some research is bloody stupid, considering that iatrogenesis is the leading cause of morbidity and mortality.
Have a look at 'cascade of intervention'.
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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I'm only used to dealing with ruminants giving birth, but the animal being born has very little contact with the birth canal, naturally, as the tip of the bag tends to come out first, and thus the rest of it shields the animal from the vagina/cervix area..... Is this the case in humans too? |
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"I'm only used to dealing with ruminants giving birth, but the animal being born has very little contact with the birth canal, naturally, as the tip of the bag tends to come out first, and thus the rest of it shields the animal from the vagina/cervix area..... Is this the case in humans too?"
It's very rare for babies to be born 'en caul' in humans as medical professionals tend to interfere by breaking waters before or during labour, increasing the chances of infection and the cascade of intervention.
Mothers of babies who are mal-positioned (often occipto-posterior, otherwise known as back to back) often experience pre labour rupture of membranes but if left alone, membrane rupture tends to happen in second stage, indicating impending birth.
I'm under the impression that those on four legs give birth standing, is that right? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"I'm only used to dealing with ruminants giving birth, but the animal being born has very little contact with the birth canal, naturally, as the tip of the bag tends to come out first, and thus the rest of it shields the animal from the vagina/cervix area..... Is this the case in humans too?
It's very rare for babies to be born 'en caul' in humans as medical professionals tend to interfere by breaking waters before or during labour, increasing the chances of infection and the cascade of intervention.
Mothers of babies who are mal-positioned (often occipto-posterior, otherwise known as back to back) often experience pre labour rupture of membranes but if left alone, membrane rupture tends to happen in second stage, indicating impending birth.
I'm under the impression that those on four legs give birth standing, is that right?"
Mostly, yes or lying on their side. Either way, you see the tip of the bag fist, then it is broken by the nose/feet of the progeny (gravity helps), birth then occurs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Anyone ever heard of strep b???"
Yes. I have had a few doses of antibiotics for it,because my levels were high and my daughter carries it in her gut. This means that before she goes into labour she has to have at least 2 doses of antibiotics,to stop the baby getting it during birth and possibly dying. |
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"I'm only used to dealing with ruminants giving birth, but the animal being born has very little contact with the birth canal, naturally, as the tip of the bag tends to come out first, and thus the rest of it shields the animal from the vagina/cervix area..... Is this the case in humans too?
It's very rare for babies to be born 'en caul' in humans as medical professionals tend to interfere by breaking waters before or during labour, increasing the chances of infection and the cascade of intervention.
Mothers of babies who are mal-positioned (often occipto-posterior, otherwise known as back to back) often experience pre labour rupture of membranes but if left alone, membrane rupture tends to happen in second stage, indicating impending birth. "
Interesting. One of my many children was born this way. The membrane would not rupture through mechanical means including scissors. It ruptured as I was pushing him out. |
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If I'm in an emergency medical situation I tend to accept what the nearest medically qualified person says while for instance my arm is hanging off and I'm bleeding to death making it difficult to nip to the library and conduct my own research.
If I have time like before an elective surgery I try to read around the subject. My problem then is who to believe, the one person whose entire life is taken over by writing a blog about how it's ruined their life, the section of the medical profession whose research finds in its favour or the section that finds against it.
It is really, really difficult for a non medical person to make a decision sometimes.
For myself I took a lot of notice of what Topsy said about statins.  |
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"If I'm in an emergency medical situation I tend to accept what the nearest medically qualified person says while for instance my arm is hanging off and I'm bleeding to death making it difficult to nip to the library and conduct my own research.
If I have time like before an elective surgery I try to read around the subject. My problem then is who to believe, the one person whose entire life is taken over by writing a blog about how it's ruined their life, the section of the medical profession whose research finds in its favour or the section that finds against it.
It is really, really difficult for a non medical person to make a decision sometimes.
For myself I took a lot of notice of what Topsy said about statins. "
Whatever your decision about them, I'm glad it encouraged someone to seek out good information and that makes me happy. |
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For myself I took a lot of notice of what Topsy said about statins.
Whatever your decision about them, I'm glad it encouraged someone to seek out good information and that makes me happy."
I marched into the surgery prepared to tell my gp that I wouldn't take them and he said I didn't need them anyway. Proper took the wind out of my sails it did  |
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"I have learnt so much from my initial post: Here's a brief update from the mother:
"We loved the microbe info. We were the pioneers of seeding at Stoke Mandeville!""
Glad your friend found it possitive.
Until it's proven medically, I will stick to the advice I've been trained to give.
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"Anyone ever heard of strep b???
Yes. I have had a few doses of antibiotics for it,because my levels were high and my daughter carries it in her gut. This means that before she goes into labour she has to have at least 2 doses of antibiotics,to stop the baby getting it during birth and possibly dying. "
Indeed your correct, it's very dangerous indeed if a baby was to get it and it develops into meningitis.
It's leaves many children with prefround disabilities and also kills them.
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"Anyone ever heard of strep b???
Yes. I have had a few doses of antibiotics for it,because my levels were high and my daughter carries it in her gut. This means that before she goes into labour she has to have at least 2 doses of antibiotics,to stop the baby getting it during birth and possibly dying.
Indeed your correct, it's very dangerous indeed if a baby was to get it and it develops into meningitis.
It's leaves many children with prefround disabilities and also kills them.
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GBS is a common bug found in most humans. It only becomes potentially dangerous if passed to to the baby in labour IF the mother is colonised at that time in either the bladder or upper vagina.
"There are large discrepancies among the findings of different research studies as far as the outcomes of babies who contract GBS are concerned. It is probably fair to say that, currently, researchers are more concerned with how to prevent GBS disease than what the prognosis is for the infants who do contract the disease. In 2002, researchers[7] published an analysis of two years' worth of data from births in the North of England looking at a number of aspects of GBS. They found that:
The prevalence of early-onset GBS sepsis was 0.57 per 1000 live births. Put another way, one in every 1754 women had a baby with GBS disease.
Premature babies accounted for 38 per cent of all cases of GBS disease, and 83 per cent of all deaths from GBS disease during the time of the study.
Of the 39 (out of 62,786) babies who developed GBS disease, three were stillborn and six died soon after birth. Five of the six babies who died were born prematurely (before 36 weeks of pregnancy).
Four of the mothers of the babies who contracted GBS disease had been given antibiotics in labour"
...and if you want a synopsis of GBS with references, this is a good one http://evidencebasedbirth.com/groupbstrep/ |
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"Anyone ever heard of strep b???
Yes. I have had a few doses of antibiotics for it,because my levels were high and my daughter carries it in her gut. This means that before she goes into labour she has to have at least 2 doses of antibiotics,to stop the baby getting it during birth and possibly dying.
Indeed your correct, it's very dangerous indeed if a baby was to get it and it develops into meningitis.
It's leaves many children with prefround disabilities and also kills them.
GBS is a common bug found in most humans. It only becomes potentially dangerous if passed to to the baby in labour IF the mother is colonised at that time in either the bladder or upper vagina.
"There are large discrepancies among the findings of different research studies as far as the outcomes of babies who contract GBS are concerned. It is probably fair to say that, currently, researchers are more concerned with how to prevent GBS disease than what the prognosis is for the infants who do contract the disease. In 2002, researchers[7] published an analysis of two years' worth of data from births in the North of England looking at a number of aspects of GBS. They found that:
The prevalence of early-onset GBS sepsis was 0.57 per 1000 live births. Put another way, one in every 1754 women had a baby with GBS disease.
Premature babies accounted for 38 per cent of all cases of GBS disease, and 83 per cent of all deaths from GBS disease during the time of the study.
Of the 39 (out of 62,786) babies who developed GBS disease, three were stillborn and six died soon after birth. Five of the six babies who died were born prematurely (before 36 weeks of pregnancy).
Four of the mothers of the babies who contracted GBS disease had been given antibiotics in labour"
...and if you want a synopsis of GBS with references, this is a good one http://evidencebasedbirth.com/groupbstrep/"
Thanks for your info but as I'm also in the profession. |
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"Anyone ever heard of strep b???
Yes. I have had a few doses of antibiotics for it,because my levels were high and my daughter carries it in her gut. This means that before she goes into labour she has to have at least 2 doses of antibiotics,to stop the baby getting it during birth and possibly dying.
Indeed your correct, it's very dangerous indeed if a baby was to get it and it develops into meningitis.
It's leaves many children with prefround disabilities and also kills them.
GBS is a common bug found in most humans. It only becomes potentially dangerous if passed to to the baby in labour IF the mother is colonised at that time in either the bladder or upper vagina.
"There are large discrepancies among the findings of different research studies as far as the outcomes of babies who contract GBS are concerned. It is probably fair to say that, currently, researchers are more concerned with how to prevent GBS disease than what the prognosis is for the infants who do contract the disease. In 2002, researchers[7] published an analysis of two years' worth of data from births in the North of England looking at a number of aspects of GBS. They found that:
The prevalence of early-onset GBS sepsis was 0.57 per 1000 live births. Put another way, one in every 1754 women had a baby with GBS disease.
Premature babies accounted for 38 per cent of all cases of GBS disease, and 83 per cent of all deaths from GBS disease during the time of the study.
Of the 39 (out of 62,786) babies who developed GBS disease, three were stillborn and six died soon after birth. Five of the six babies who died were born prematurely (before 36 weeks of pregnancy).
Four of the mothers of the babies who contracted GBS disease had been given antibiotics in labour"
...and if you want a synopsis of GBS with references, this is a good one http://evidencebasedbirth.com/groupbstrep/
Thanks for your info but as I'm also in the profession. "
Then you'll know that keeping up to date and providing evidence based information is required of you, not random, personal statements.
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"Anyone ever heard of strep b???
Yes. I have had a few doses of antibiotics for it,because my levels were high and my daughter carries it in her gut. This means that before she goes into labour she has to have at least 2 doses of antibiotics,to stop the baby getting it during birth and possibly dying.
Indeed your correct, it's very dangerous indeed if a baby was to get it and it develops into meningitis.
It's leaves many children with prefround disabilities and also kills them.
GBS is a common bug found in most humans. It only becomes potentially dangerous if passed to to the baby in labour IF the mother is colonised at that time in either the bladder or upper vagina.
"There are large discrepancies among the findings of different research studies as far as the outcomes of babies who contract GBS are concerned. It is probably fair to say that, currently, researchers are more concerned with how to prevent GBS disease than what the prognosis is for the infants who do contract the disease. In 2002, researchers[7] published an analysis of two years' worth of data from births in the North of England looking at a number of aspects of GBS. They found that:
The prevalence of early-onset GBS sepsis was 0.57 per 1000 live births. Put another way, one in every 1754 women had a baby with GBS disease.
Premature babies accounted for 38 per cent of all cases of GBS disease, and 83 per cent of all deaths from GBS disease during the time of the study.
Of the 39 (out of 62,786) babies who developed GBS disease, three were stillborn and six died soon after birth. Five of the six babies who died were born prematurely (before 36 weeks of pregnancy).
Four of the mothers of the babies who contracted GBS disease had been given antibiotics in labour"
...and if you want a synopsis of GBS with references, this is a good one http://evidencebasedbirth.com/groupbstrep/
Thanks for your info but as I'm also in the profession.
Then you'll know that keeping up to date and providing evidence based information is required of you, not random, personal statements.
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I am allowed a personally opinion.
However I don't need to provide evidenced based information on a swingers site only when I'm at work so thanks for your advice. |
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"I have learnt so much from my initial post: Here's a brief update from the mother:
"We loved the microbe info. We were the pioneers of seeding at Stoke Mandeville!"
Glad your friend found it possitive.
Until it's proven medically, I will stick to the advice I've been trained to give.
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As you are a health professional I would expect nothing less, but it's always good to question conventions too - isn't that why a lot of us are here anyway? |
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