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"It's Saturday night Can we not talk about old TV programmes or something like that instead ?" Do you ever miss 'friends' and was it better than the big bang theory? | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. " Mr Garrison cares | |||
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"In Germany today, Police have clashed with anti-Islam protesters. The protesters took to the streets to vent their anger about the asylum seekers who attacked German women on New Year's day. Over the past few years, there have been many protests about mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East by the PEGIDA movement. People in Germany are frustrated that their country is being invaded by people who neither speak their language nor respect the traditions and social values of Germany. Has Merkel destroyed Germany with her immigration policy? Is Donald Trump correct for wanting to ban Muslim asylum seekers from entering America? What should Britain do about the illegal asylum seekers wanting to enter Britain from Calais? You decide." Anybody wanting to entre Britain illegally should be sent home and made to go through the proper channels like every other asylum seeker who actually gets asylum | |||
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"In Germany today, Police have clashed with anti-Islam protesters. The protesters took to the streets to vent their anger about the asylum seekers who attacked German women on New Year's day. Over the past few years, there have been many protests about mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East by the PEGIDA movement. People in Germany are frustrated that their country is being invaded by people who neither speak their language nor respect the traditions and social values of Germany. Has Merkel destroyed Germany with her immigration policy? Is Donald Trump correct for wanting to ban Muslim asylum seekers from entering America? What should Britain do about the illegal asylum seekers wanting to enter Britain from Calais? You decide." The Germans were happy all the time they could push them through to us. Poor poor asylum seekers that is all I hear. Close the borders. Would they help us...... NO | |||
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"In Germany today, Police have clashed with anti-Islam protesters. The protesters took to the streets to vent their anger about the asylum seekers who attacked German women on New Year's day. Over the past few years, there have been many protests about mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East by the PEGIDA movement. People in Germany are frustrated that their country is being invaded by people who neither speak their language nor respect the traditions and social values of Germany. Has Merkel destroyed Germany with her immigration policy? Is Donald Trump correct for wanting to ban Muslim asylum seekers from entering America? What should Britain do about the illegal asylum seekers wanting to enter Britain from Calais? You decide." The only thing that's correct about Donald Trump is....... erm...... ermmmm..... hmmmmm....ermmmmm ...... nope I got nothing,,,......  | |||
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"Friends was a million times better than Big Bang Theory and I'll mud wrestle anyone who disagrees. " Now I am in a quandary I could do with a wrestle but I do actually agree with you Humph | |||
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"Friends was a million times better than Big Bang Theory and I'll mud wrestle anyone who disagrees. " Friends was more morally ambiguous, I mean they were on a break weren't they? | |||
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"Now I am in a quandary I could do with a wrestle but I do actually agree with you Humph "Tbqh I'm always game for a wrestle  | |||
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"In Germany today, Police have clashed with anti-Islam protesters. The protesters took to the streets to vent their anger about the asylum seekers who attacked German women on New Year's day. Over the past few years, there have been many protests about mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East by the PEGIDA movement. People in Germany are frustrated that their country is being invaded by people who neither speak their language nor respect the traditions and social values of Germany. Has Merkel destroyed Germany with her immigration policy? Is Donald Trump correct for wanting to ban Muslim asylum seekers from entering America? What should Britain do about the illegal asylum seekers wanting to enter Britain from Calais? You decide. The only thing that's correct about Donald Trump is....... erm...... ermmmm..... hmmmmm....ermmmmm ...... nope I got nothing,,,...... "I got one, he makes a good character on South Park. Especially when Mr Garrison rapes him to death. | |||
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"In Germany today, Police have clashed with anti-Islam protesters. The protesters took to the streets to vent their anger about the asylum seekers who attacked German women on New Year's day. Over the past few years, there have been many protests about mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East by the PEGIDA movement. People in Germany are frustrated that their country is being invaded by people who neither speak their language nor respect the traditions and social values of Germany. Has Merkel destroyed Germany with her immigration policy? Is Donald Trump correct for wanting to ban Muslim asylum seekers from entering America? What should Britain do about the illegal asylum seekers wanting to enter Britain from Calais? You decide." Yawn | |||
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"It's Saturday night Can we not talk about old TV programmes or something like that instead ?" I recommend that you talk about it somewhere else....far away from me because I am not interested in that topic. | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. " Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person.  | |||
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"Friends was a million times better than Big Bang Theory and I'll mud wrestle anyone who disagrees. Now I am in a quandary I could do with a wrestle but I do actually agree with you Humph "What about, Dallas, Dynasty, Knots Landing ? | |||
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"It's Saturday night Can we not talk about old TV programmes or something like that instead ? Do you ever miss 'friends' and was it better than the big bang theory? " This topic is not about TV programmes. If you miss a particular TV programme, I strongly suggest that you miss it somewhere else because it does not concern me. | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person. "Were they asylum seekers that attacked them? | |||
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"In Germany today, Police have clashed with anti-Islam protesters. The protesters took to the streets to vent their anger about the asylum seekers who attacked German women on New Year's day. Over the past few years, there have been many protests about mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East by the PEGIDA movement. People in Germany are frustrated that their country is being invaded by people who neither speak their language nor respect the traditions and social values of Germany. Has Merkel destroyed Germany with her immigration policy? Is Donald Trump correct for wanting to ban Muslim asylum seekers from entering America? What should Britain do about the illegal asylum seekers wanting to enter Britain from Calais? You decide." Seems a bit rich seeing as It wasn't that long ago that Germans were invading countries where they couldn't speak the language and they couldn't give a fuck about their traditions and social values. | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person.
Were they asylum seekers that attacked them?"It does indeed seem the assumption made. There could not have been a few d*unken German males there as well? Surely not. It was the immigrants, I tell you. Jeez, the OP needs to get some perspective. Ever seen Brits in Lanzarote? People can be bad irrespective of their country of origin. I don't think Manchester on New Years eve was necessarily a good place to be for a single female. | |||
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"OP, the way people are exploiting these assaults to make a political point is gross. I'd rather talk about TV and the advantages of massive boobs in mud wrestling than engage with that scare mongering bullshit. " I'd agree in mud wresting parlance big boobs are a bit of a handful......  | |||
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"OP, the way people are exploiting these assaults to make a political point is gross. I'd rather talk about TV and the advantages of massive boobs in mud wrestling than engage with that scare mongering bullshit. " Why don't you go to Germany and walk past some asylum seekers. If they assault you, I am confident that you will want them punished. I think it is gross the way asylum seekers are exploiting the innocent and kind German women who were attacked. If you want to talk about TV or boobs, why don't you go to a thread that is about TV or boobs, clearly this is not. Also, don't inform me of what you want to talk about because it is no concern of mine. Furthermore, I don't care. | |||
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"OP, the way people are exploiting these assaults to make a political point is gross. I'd rather talk about TV and the advantages of massive boobs in mud wrestling than engage with that scare mongering bullshit. Why don't you go to Germany and walk past some asylum seekers. If they assault you, I am confident that you will want them punished. I think it is gross the way asylum seekers are exploiting the innocent and kind German women who were attacked. If you want to talk about TV or boobs, why don't you go to a thread that is about TV or boobs, clearly this is not. Also, don't inform me of what you want to talk about because it is no concern of mine. Furthermore, I don't care." OP hiow do you know that these people were asylum seekers? | |||
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"OP, the way people are exploiting these assaults to make a political point is gross. I'd rather talk about TV and the advantages of massive boobs in mud wrestling than engage with that scare mongering bullshit. Why don't you go to Germany and walk past some asylum seekers. If they assault you, I am confident that you will want them punished. I think it is gross the way asylum seekers are exploiting the innocent and kind German women who were attacked. If you want to talk about TV or boobs, why don't you go to a thread that is about TV or boobs, clearly this is not. Also, don't inform me of what you want to talk about because it is no concern of mine. Furthermore, I don't care." So what's the logical path from 'punishing people that break the law' to 'sending asylum seekers back'? | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person.
Were they asylum seekers that attacked them?"The women who were attacked and the German police think they were. I am happy that I have educated you. If you keep on reading my threads, I am confident that your knowledge will improve. #Read&Learn  | |||
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"Friends was a million times better than Big Bang Theory and I'll mud wrestle anyone who disagrees. Now I am in a quandary I could do with a wrestle but I do actually agree with you Humph
What about, Dallas, Dynasty, Knots Landing ?
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"In Germany today, Police have clashed with anti-Islam protesters. The protesters took to the streets to vent their anger about the asylum seekers who attacked German women on New Year's day. Over the past few years, there have been many protests about mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East by the PEGIDA movement. People in Germany are frustrated that their country is being invaded by people who neither speak their language nor respect the traditions and social values of Germany. Has Merkel destroyed Germany with her immigration policy? Is Donald Trump correct for wanting to ban Muslim asylum seekers from entering America? What should Britain do about the illegal asylum seekers wanting to enter Britain from Calais? You decide. Yawn" From my experience, people from Merseyside normally speak in one syllable words. #GoBackToSchool | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person.
Were they asylum seekers that attacked them?
The women who were attacked and the German police think they were.
I am happy that I have educated you. If you keep on reading my threads, I am confident that your knowledge will improve.
#Read&Learn
"'think they were' or in other words they might be? Peopla, and I include you in that are using these attacks to stir up hatred. You can;t tell that someone is an asylum seeker by their ethnicity | |||
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"OP, the way people are exploiting these assaults to make a political point is gross. I'd rather talk about TV and the advantages of massive boobs in mud wrestling than engage with that scare mongering bullshit. " Me too. Only posting on the thread to try to dilute the racial hatred and bigotry. Enjoying The Voice tonight. Boy George isn't as annoying as I thought he would be. Nita | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person.
Were they asylum seekers that attacked them?
The women who were attacked and the German police think they were.
I am happy that I have educated you. If you keep on reading my threads, I am confident that your knowledge will improve.
#Read&Learn
'think they were' or in other words they might be?
Peopla, and I include you in that are using these attacks to stir up hatred.
You can;t tell that someone is an asylum seeker by their ethnicity"If it looks like an asylum seeker, talks like an asylum seeker, behaves like an asylum seeker, then it is going to be an asylum seeker rather than a German! People like you choose to devalue the attacks because you want to pander to the asylum seekers and those people who support them. Shame on you. | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person.
Were they asylum seekers that attacked them?
The women who were attacked and the German police think they were.
I am happy that I have educated you. If you keep on reading my threads, I am confident that your knowledge will improve.
#Read&Learn
'think they were' or in other words they might be?
Peopla, and I include you in that are using these attacks to stir up hatred.
You can;t tell that someone is an asylum seeker by their ethnicity
If it looks like an asylum seeker, talks like an asylum seeker, behaves like an asylum seeker, then it is going to be an asylum seeker rather than a German!
People like you choose to devalue the attacks because you want to pander to the asylum seekers and those people who support them.
Shame on you."Gonna explain the logical path from 'punishing people that break the law' to 'sending asylum seekers back' anytime soon? | |||
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"If it looks like an asylum seeker, talks like an asylum seeker, behaves like an asylum seeker, then it is going to be an asylum seeker rather than a German! " How does an asylum seeker behave? By seeking asylum, one assumes. | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person.
Were they asylum seekers that attacked them?
The women who were attacked and the German police think they were.
I am happy that I have educated you. If you keep on reading my threads, I am confident that your knowledge will improve.
#Read&Learn
'think they were' or in other words they might be?
Peopla, and I include you in that are using these attacks to stir up hatred.
You can;t tell that someone is an asylum seeker by their ethnicity
If it looks like an asylum seeker, talks like an asylum seeker, behaves like an asylum seeker, then it is going to be an asylum seeker rather than a German!
People like you choose to devalue the attacks because you want to pander to the asylum seekers and those people who support them.
Shame on you."What does an asylum seeker look and act like? And how or when did I devalue the attacks (whatever that means) | |||
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"Friends was much better than big bank! FACT! "
And when watching the repeats it still is | |||
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"Go back to the OPs previous post if you want the immigration argument." Ty. As I thought another bigot on the site.. | |||
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"2 threads in 16 hours? Really? If this bothers you so much, write to your MP and MEP. They are more likely to be able to do something about it than random people on here. I'm tired of hearing the hatred." . Technically your reading it! Not hearing it, unless you've got one of those nifty machines that reads text, in which case ignore me | |||
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"Friends was much better than big bank! FACT!
And when watching the repeats it still is"Indeed. The one where no one's ready is the best episode I think | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person.
Were they asylum seekers that attacked them?
It does indeed seem the assumption made. There could not have been a few d*unken German males there as well? Surely not. It was the immigrants, I tell you.
Jeez, the OP needs to get some perspective. Ever seen Brits in Lanzarote? People can be bad irrespective of their country of origin. I don't think Manchester on New Years eve was necessarily a good place to be for a single female.". No... I was there! It was brilliant! | |||
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"Friends was much better than big bank! FACT!
And when watching the repeats it still is
Indeed. The one where no one's ready is the best episode I think "Nah the one with Rachels letter is funnier | |||
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"Friends was much better than big bank! FACT!
And when watching the repeats it still is
Indeed. The one where no one's ready is the best episode I think "When Joey puts all of chandlers clothes on | |||
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"Friends was much better than big bank! FACT!
And when watching the repeats it still is
Indeed. The one where no one's ready is the best episode I think
When Joey puts all of chandlers clothes on
"My names chandler.. Could I BE wearing any more clothes??? | |||
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"Friends was much better than big bank! FACT!
And when watching the repeats it still is
Indeed. The one where no one's ready is the best episode I think
Nah the one with Rachels letter is funnier"FRONT AND BACK!!! | |||
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"See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil!. For somebody who's convinced utopia will never exist, surely you realise that for every million people let in, then a certain % of them will murder and rape!. I suppose it's just one of those things!. For every good deed somebody gets fucked over, so long as it's not me!. " Some of the logic on this thread doesn't really distinguish between "Jews who break the law should be sent to prison" and "some Jews break the law so all Jews should be sent to camps" | |||
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"In Germany today, Police have clashed with anti-Islam protesters. The protesters took to the streets to vent their anger about the asylum seekers who attacked German women on New Year's day. Over the past few years, there have been many protests about mass immigration from North Africa and the Middle East by the PEGIDA movement. People in Germany are frustrated that their country is being invaded by people who neither speak their language nor respect the traditions and social values of Germany. Has Merkel destroyed Germany with her immigration policy? Is Donald Trump correct for wanting to ban Muslim asylum seekers from entering America? What should Britain do about the illegal asylum seekers wanting to enter Britain from Calais? You decide." . In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine The infrastructure and NHS are already struggling to cope with the large recent. Influxes from various new EU members . The events in Germany are an indication of what could happen here .. Driving through Calais is a nightmare for lorry drivers and haulage companies . Everyone should be treated equally and that includes taking into account the current needs of those resident in Britain .. | |||
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"Some of the logic on this thread doesn't really distinguish between "Jews who break the law should be sent to prison" and "some Jews break the law so all Jews should be sent to camps" " *hugs you for this, boobily* | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine ." You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum? | |||
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"In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine The infrastructure and NHS are already struggling to cope with the large recent. Influxes from various new EU members . The events in Germany are an indication of what could happen here .. Driving through Calais is a nightmare for lorry drivers and haulage companies . Everyone should be treated equally and that includes taking into account the current needs of those resident in Britain .." It's always interesting when the people who advocate that we should do more bombing in the countries that asylum seekers are fleeing are the same people who advocate sending asylum seekers back to their country of origin. What was that link again? | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?" . I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax." Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax? | |||
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"See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil!. For somebody who's convinced utopia will never exist, surely you realise that for every million people let in, then a certain % of them will murder and rape!. I suppose it's just one of those things!. For every good deed somebody gets fucked over, so long as it's not me!. Some of the logic on this thread doesn't really distinguish between "Jews who break the law should be sent to prison" and "some Jews break the law so all Jews should be sent to camps" " . Ahh your just big a left wing wannabe after all | |||
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"See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil!. For somebody who's convinced utopia will never exist, surely you realise that for every million people let in, then a certain % of them will murder and rape!. I suppose it's just one of those things!. For every good deed somebody gets fucked over, so long as it's not me!. Some of the logic on this thread doesn't really distinguish between "Jews who break the law should be sent to prison" and "some Jews break the law so all Jews should be sent to camps" . Ahh your just big a left wing wannabe after all" Actually we could start another thread where I argue Hitler was left wing, not right. In the absence of that I refer the honourable gentleman to Ricky Gervais sketch of Hitler meeting Nietzsche | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax." Your not going by the daily mail again are you Pat? | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?" . I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. | |||
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"In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine The infrastructure and NHS are already struggling to cope with the large recent. Influxes from various new EU members . The events in Germany are an indication of what could happen here .. Driving through Calais is a nightmare for lorry drivers and haulage companies . Everyone should be treated equally and that includes taking into account the current needs of those resident in Britain .. It's always interesting when the people who advocate that we should do more bombing in the countries that asylum seekers are fleeing are the same people who advocate sending asylum seekers back to their country of origin. What was that link again? " . It might be that those who advocate bombing want long term solutions to a problem and are keen to create an atmosphere where refugees can return safely to their native country. Bombing is not an issue which anyone would take lightly . | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. " Those in Calais have not been through the asylum process? And as no one has been charged in Germany assuming that they have or are about to be assessed is naive. What percentage of crimes are committed by those granted asylum in the UK? | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. " So to clarify, something that happened in Germany and refugees in Calais that can't get in to the UK are your evidence for the UK needs to improve it's screening of asylum seekers? And are asylum seekers in the UK responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime? And even if they are, how do you propose assessing how likely someone is to commit crime in the future? | |||
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"In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine The infrastructure and NHS are already struggling to cope with the large recent. Influxes from various new EU members . The events in Germany are an indication of what could happen here .. Driving through Calais is a nightmare for lorry drivers and haulage companies . Everyone should be treated equally and that includes taking into account the current needs of those resident in Britain .. It's always interesting when the people who advocate that we should do more bombing in the countries that asylum seekers are fleeing are the same people who advocate sending asylum seekers back to their country of origin. What was that link again? . It might be that those who advocate bombing want long term solutions to a problem and are keen to create an atmosphere where refugees can return safely to their native country. Bombing is not an issue which anyone would take lightly . " You said you want them returned now. How long do you think the bombs that you want to be dropped on Syria are going to take before they cause Syria to magically rebuild itself for the asylum seekers that you want sent back now? You don't seem to have put much thought into this. | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. Those in Calais have not been through the asylum process? And as no one has been charged in Germany assuming that they have or are about to be assessed is naive. What percentage of crimes are committed by those granted asylum in the UK? " . I don't think anyone will be charged in Germany as the situation got totally out of control and there were insufficient police to handle it . Girls celebrating the new year were separated and surrounded by groups of men who did not speak languages which they could understand . They were molested and groped . It is hardly a situation which bodes well for the future .. | |||
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"In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine The infrastructure and NHS are already struggling to cope with the large recent. Influxes from various new EU members . The events in Germany are an indication of what could happen here .. Driving through Calais is a nightmare for lorry drivers and haulage companies . Everyone should be treated equally and that includes taking into account the current needs of those resident in Britain .. It's always interesting when the people who advocate that we should do more bombing in the countries that asylum seekers are fleeing are the same people who advocate sending asylum seekers back to their country of origin. What was that link again? . It might be that those who advocate bombing want long term solutions to a problem and are keen to create an atmosphere where refugees can return safely to their native country. Bombing is not an issue which anyone would take lightly . You said you want them returned now. How long do you think the bombs that you want to be dropped on Syria are going to take before they cause Syria to magically rebuild itself for the asylum seekers that you want sent back now? You don't seem to have put much thought into this." . There is no easy solution to these issues . If there were someone would have suggested it by now . | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Mr Garrison cares" Who? | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. Those in Calais have not been through the asylum process? And as no one has been charged in Germany assuming that they have or are about to be assessed is naive. What percentage of crimes are committed by those granted asylum in the UK? . I don't think anyone will be charged in Germany as the situation got totally out of control and there were insufficient police to handle it . Girls celebrating the new year were separated and surrounded by groups of men who did not speak languages which they could understand . They were molested and groped . It is hardly a situation which bodes well for the future .." It's a horrid event. But I still donlt see how it is evidence the UK needs to tighten up it's assessment process | |||
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"In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine The infrastructure and NHS are already struggling to cope with the large recent. Influxes from various new EU members . The events in Germany are an indication of what could happen here .. Driving through Calais is a nightmare for lorry drivers and haulage companies . Everyone should be treated equally and that includes taking into account the current needs of those resident in Britain .. It's always interesting when the people who advocate that we should do more bombing in the countries that asylum seekers are fleeing are the same people who advocate sending asylum seekers back to their country of origin. What was that link again? . It might be that those who advocate bombing want long term solutions to a problem and are keen to create an atmosphere where refugees can return safely to their native country. Bombing is not an issue which anyone would take lightly . You said you want them returned now. How long do you think the bombs that you want to be dropped on Syria are going to take before they cause Syria to magically rebuild itself for the asylum seekers that you want sent back now? You don't seem to have put much thought into this.. There is no easy solution to these issues . If there were someone would have suggested it by now . " You have made two suggestions: 1) Drop bombs in Syria 2) Send asylum seekers back to Syria Both sound like easy solutions, if you don't think to hard about what they really mean. | |||
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"In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine The infrastructure and NHS are already struggling to cope with the large recent. Influxes from various new EU members . The events in Germany are an indication of what could happen here .. Driving through Calais is a nightmare for lorry drivers and haulage companies . Everyone should be treated equally and that includes taking into account the current needs of those resident in Britain .. It's always interesting when the people who advocate that we should do more bombing in the countries that asylum seekers are fleeing are the same people who advocate sending asylum seekers back to their country of origin. What was that link again? . It might be that those who advocate bombing want long term solutions to a problem and are keen to create an atmosphere where refugees can return safely to their native country. Bombing is not an issue which anyone would take lightly . You said you want them returned now. How long do you think the bombs that you want to be dropped on Syria are going to take before they cause Syria to magically rebuild itself for the asylum seekers that you want sent back now? You don't seem to have put much thought into this.. There is no easy solution to these issues . If there were someone would have suggested it by now . " Do you think that it is right to send people back to a warzone that UK is bombing? | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre." . That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict!" Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years. | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. Those in Calais have not been through the asylum process? And as no one has been charged in Germany assuming that they have or are about to be assessed is naive. What percentage of crimes are committed by those granted asylum in the UK? . I don't think anyone will be charged in Germany as the situation got totally out of control and there were insufficient police to handle it . Girls celebrating the new year were separated and surrounded by groups of men who did not speak languages which they could understand . They were molested and groped . It is hardly a situation which bodes well for the future .." Could had been a stag party from Liverpool | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. Those in Calais have not been through the asylum process? And as no one has been charged in Germany assuming that they have or are about to be assessed is naive. What percentage of crimes are committed by those granted asylum in the UK? . I don't think anyone will be charged in Germany as the situation got totally out of control and there were insufficient police to handle it . Girls celebrating the new year were separated and surrounded by groups of men who did not speak languages which they could understand . They were molested and groped . It is hardly a situation which bodes well for the future .." Think it's safe to assume that everyone on here will agree it was wrong what happened and charges should be brought against those responsible. Saying our own asylum process is lax as some sort of factor in what happened is bizarre and not thought through. | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Are you really claiming that you do not have any sympathy for innocent German women who have been attacked by violent asylum seekers. This evidence suggests that you are an unpleasant person. "If it's really fucking true then yeah! I do. I'm so bored of hearing this rubbish. At this moment, in time, I think Governments will do or say ANYTHING to paint coloured and Muslim people in bad light. That's my opinion. I tell you what! Bring up a thread about the thousands of murdered Palestinians! Stop fuelling and supporting white wash stories, yeah? | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years." Precisely. In any group of people there are a minority of criminals, doesn't mean you should lock everyone up. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict!" How was what happened in Cologne predictable? | |||
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"YAWN!!!! Who cares...not me. Sick to death of hearing about immigration and blah blah blah. Mr Garrison cares Who? " A character on South Park famous for representing the views in the original post... | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years." . Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. So to clarify, something that happened in Germany and refugees in Calais that can't get in to the UK are your evidence for the UK needs to improve it's screening of asylum seekers? And are asylum seekers in the UK responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime? And even if they are, how do you propose assessing how likely someone is to commit crime in the future?" . In Germany in the state of Baden- Wurttemberg asylum seekers represent one percent of the population but committed five percent of all registered crimes . Of these 27255 crimes , 1000 were GBH , 22 attempted murders , and 700 of domestic burglary. Germany estimates that ten percent of migrants will turn to crime including theft , sexual assault and drug dealing . | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in!" So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense. | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. So to clarify, something that happened in Germany and refugees in Calais that can't get in to the UK are your evidence for the UK needs to improve it's screening of asylum seekers? And are asylum seekers in the UK responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime? And even if they are, how do you propose assessing how likely someone is to commit crime in the future?. In Germany in the state of Baden- Wurttemberg asylum seekers represent one percent of the population but committed five percent of all registered crimes . Of these 27255 crimes , 1000 were GBH , 22 attempted murders , and 700 of domestic burglary. Germany estimates that ten percent of migrants will turn to crime including theft , sexual assault and drug dealing . " The solution is easy then - only let the 90% in who aren't going to commit any crimes. | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. So to clarify, something that happened in Germany and refugees in Calais that can't get in to the UK are your evidence for the UK needs to improve it's screening of asylum seekers? And are asylum seekers in the UK responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime? And even if they are, how do you propose assessing how likely someone is to commit crime in the future?. In Germany in the state of Baden- Wurttemberg asylum seekers represent one percent of the population but committed five percent of all registered crimes . Of these 27255 crimes , 1000 were GBH , 22 attempted murders , and 700 of domestic burglary. Germany estimates that ten percent of migrants will turn to crime including theft , sexual assault and drug dealing . " And what about in the UK? Oh and migrants and asylum seekers aren;lt the same thing | |||
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"However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in!" That isn't really saying anything though. A certain percentage of all babies will grow up to be rapists and murderers too, so what do you proposee we do about them? | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense." . I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise | |||
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"However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! That isn't really saying anything though. A certain percentage of all babies will grow up to be rapists and murderers too, so what do you proposee we do about them?" . Nothing, it's a problem I can't do anything about! | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise" Thats a strange outlook if im honest..its like saying im not going to cross the road because i might get run over  | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise" I'll be hionest, I don;t think you (and others on this thread) actually care that much about victims of sex crime. You are just using it the fact that it is emotive to try and tar millions of people with the same brush. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise Thats a strange outlook if im honest..its like saying im not going to cross the road because i might get run over ". No it's more like I'm crossing a quiet road and you want me to cross a motorway instead! | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise I'll be hionest, I don;t think you (and others on this thread) actually care that much about victims of sex crime. You are just using it the fact that it is emotive to try and tar millions of people with the same brush." . Ahh so it's OK for you to generalise but not us?. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise" It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise. | |||
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"I'll be hionest, I don;t think you (and others on this thread) actually care that much about victims of sex crime. You are just using it the fact that it is emotive to try and tar millions of people with the same brush." You're absolutely right. The way people are exploiting someone's rape to try to justify their xenophobic politics is gross. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise Thats a strange outlook if im honest..its like saying im not going to cross the road because i might get run over .
No it's more like I'm crossing a quiet road and you want me to cross a motorway instead!"Nah i think the chances of it ever happening are very very small indeed...theres 70 million people in this country....and miles and miles of roads...its a very weird outlook i think | |||
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"I'll be hionest, I don;t think you (and others on this thread) actually care that much about victims of sex crime. You are just using it the fact that it is emotive to try and tar millions of people with the same brush. You're absolutely right. The way people are exploiting someone's rape to try to justify their xenophobic politics is gross." I hope you're not implying that burning the Reichstag isn't a serious crime that must be punished? | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise." . You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries" That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too? | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?" . If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded | |||
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"I hope you're not implying that burning the Reichstag isn't a serious crime that must be punished? " Nice reference. Scary, too. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded" I always wondered what it looked like when two lefties start arguing with each other... | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. So to clarify, something that happened in Germany and refugees in Calais that can't get in to the UK are your evidence for the UK needs to improve it's screening of asylum seekers? And are asylum seekers in the UK responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime? And even if they are, how do you propose assessing how likely someone is to commit crime in the future?. In Germany in the state of Baden- Wurttemberg asylum seekers represent one percent of the population but committed five percent of all registered crimes . Of these 27255 crimes , 1000 were GBH , 22 attempted murders , and 700 of domestic burglary. Germany estimates that ten percent of migrants will turn to crime including theft , sexual assault and drug dealing . And what about in the UK? Oh and migrants and asylum seekers aren;lt the same thing" . I am unable to assist with statistics for the UK. I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers . What I can say is that UK haulage companies and drivers should not have to tolerate asylum seekers damaging either their vehicles or loads . In some cases bricks have been thrown at windscreens . I will bow to your knowledge on the UK statistics but have no reason to believe that they would be vastly different to that of Germany . | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded" Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. So to clarify, something that happened in Germany and refugees in Calais that can't get in to the UK are your evidence for the UK needs to improve it's screening of asylum seekers? And are asylum seekers in the UK responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime? And even if they are, how do you propose assessing how likely someone is to commit crime in the future?. In Germany in the state of Baden- Wurttemberg asylum seekers represent one percent of the population but committed five percent of all registered crimes . Of these 27255 crimes , 1000 were GBH , 22 attempted murders , and 700 of domestic burglary. Germany estimates that ten percent of migrants will turn to crime including theft , sexual assault and drug dealing . And what about in the UK? Oh and migrants and asylum seekers aren;lt the same thing. I am unable to assist with statistics for the UK. I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers . What I can say is that UK haulage companies and drivers should not have to tolerate asylum seekers damaging either their vehicles or loads . In some cases bricks have been thrown at windscreens . I will bow to your knowledge on the UK statistics but have no reason to believe that they would be vastly different to that of Germany ." Perhaps the UK haulage companies should start petitioning the UK government to stop helping to destabilise the Middle East. That would be a solution to their problem, as it would reduce the numbers of people fleeing the countries we are helping to bomb.. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow ". What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country. | |||
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"This is the zombie apocalypse, were outnumbered by the zombies 1-5. And some idiot suggests opening the door to let them in. " Crikey you read some very strange papers 
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"What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country. " David Starkey posts on Fab?!? | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .." Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view... | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. So to clarify, something that happened in Germany and refugees in Calais that can't get in to the UK are your evidence for the UK needs to improve it's screening of asylum seekers? And are asylum seekers in the UK responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime? And even if they are, how do you propose assessing how likely someone is to commit crime in the future?. In Germany in the state of Baden- Wurttemberg asylum seekers represent one percent of the population but committed five percent of all registered crimes . Of these 27255 crimes , 1000 were GBH , 22 attempted murders , and 700 of domestic burglary. Germany estimates that ten percent of migrants will turn to crime including theft , sexual assault and drug dealing . And what about in the UK? Oh and migrants and asylum seekers aren;lt the same thing. I am unable to assist with statistics for the UK. I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers . What I can say is that UK haulage companies and drivers should not have to tolerate asylum seekers damaging either their vehicles or loads . In some cases bricks have been thrown at windscreens . I will bow to your knowledge on the UK statistics but have no reason to believe that they would be vastly different to that of Germany . Perhaps the UK haulage companies should start petitioning the UK government to stop helping to destabilise the Middle East. That would be a solution to their problem, as it would reduce the numbers of people fleeing the countries we are helping to bomb.." Or maybe we should express our gratitude to the UK hauliers and drivers for the risks that they are taking on a daily basis to both import and export goods . | |||
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"What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country. David Starkey posts on Fab?!?" . David starkey is gay, he's probably got a reason for his islamaphobia but I'm guessing you'd like to throw him off his roof for just being him! | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view..." Sadly I think he like many actually believe everything they read. | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. So to clarify, something that happened in Germany and refugees in Calais that can't get in to the UK are your evidence for the UK needs to improve it's screening of asylum seekers? And are asylum seekers in the UK responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime? And even if they are, how do you propose assessing how likely someone is to commit crime in the future?. In Germany in the state of Baden- Wurttemberg asylum seekers represent one percent of the population but committed five percent of all registered crimes . Of these 27255 crimes , 1000 were GBH , 22 attempted murders , and 700 of domestic burglary. Germany estimates that ten percent of migrants will turn to crime including theft , sexual assault and drug dealing . And what about in the UK? Oh and migrants and asylum seekers aren;lt the same thing. I am unable to assist with statistics for the UK. I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers . What I can say is that UK haulage companies and drivers should not have to tolerate asylum seekers damaging either their vehicles or loads . In some cases bricks have been thrown at windscreens . I will bow to your knowledge on the UK statistics but have no reason to believe that they would be vastly different to that of Germany . Perhaps the UK haulage companies should start petitioning the UK government to stop helping to destabilise the Middle East. That would be a solution to their problem, as it would reduce the numbers of people fleeing the countries we are helping to bomb.. Or maybe we should express our gratitude to the UK hauliers and drivers for the risks that they are taking on a daily basis to both import and export goods . " Your not a Lorry Driver by any chance Pat are you | |||
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" Or maybe we should express our gratitude to the UK hauliers and drivers for the risks that they are taking on a daily basis to both import and export goods . " Nobody thinks that truck drivers should feel threatened. That's not even an argument. | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view..." . A very good point but I do not really have time to do that . For most information , I rely on three daily papers to give me a summary of the key points . You point is noted . | |||
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" What I can say is that UK haulage companies and drivers should not have to tolerate asylum seekers damaging either their vehicles or loads . In some cases bricks have been thrown at windscreens . I will bow to your knowledge on the UK statistics but have no reason to believe that they would be vastly different to that of Germany . Perhaps the UK haulage companies should start petitioning the UK government to stop helping to destabilise the Middle East. That would be a solution to their problem, as it would reduce the numbers of people fleeing the countries we are helping to bomb.. Or maybe we should express our gratitude to the UK hauliers and drivers for the risks that they are taking on a daily basis to both import and export goods . " Maybe we should, but I don't see how that would help solve their problem. Ceasing to destabilise the Middle East, on the other hand, would. | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view.... A very good point but I do not really have time to do that . For most information , I rely on three daily papers to give me a summary of the key points . You point is noted . " The three papers you choose to read are not noted for their factual content. Their fictional content is very good though, amongst the best in the world. | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view... Sadly I think he like many actually believe everything they read." I hate that old cliché of "lies, damn lies and statistics" - it's lazy. There's no such thing as a bad statistic - there's just bad interpretations of statistics (assuming it was calculated as per the stated method). So if it's an important subject, cut out the middle man or at least scrutinise what you read... | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss ". Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776 | |||
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" In Britain we should send asylum seekers back to their country of origin . We have no means of knowing if their claims are genuine . You do know asylum seekers are assessed and not all are granted asylum?. I am aware of that yes . However the assessment process seems very lax. Do you know what the assessment process is? How and why is it lax?. I do not know much about the procedure but events in Calais and Germany plus crimes committed in the UK are sufficient to convince me that it needs to be tightened up. So to clarify, something that happened in Germany and refugees in Calais that can't get in to the UK are your evidence for the UK needs to improve it's screening of asylum seekers? And are asylum seekers in the UK responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime? And even if they are, how do you propose assessing how likely someone is to commit crime in the future?. In Germany in the state of Baden- Wurttemberg asylum seekers represent one percent of the population but committed five percent of all registered crimes . Of these 27255 crimes , 1000 were GBH , 22 attempted murders , and 700 of domestic burglary. Germany estimates that ten percent of migrants will turn to crime including theft , sexual assault and drug dealing . And what about in the UK? Oh and migrants and asylum seekers aren;lt the same thing. I am unable to assist with statistics for the UK. I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers . What I can say is that UK haulage companies and drivers should not have to tolerate asylum seekers damaging either their vehicles or loads . In some cases bricks have been thrown at windscreens . I will bow to your knowledge on the UK statistics but have no reason to believe that they would be vastly different to that of Germany . Perhaps the UK haulage companies should start petitioning the UK government to stop helping to destabilise the Middle East. That would be a solution to their problem, as it would reduce the numbers of people fleeing the countries we are helping to bomb.. Or maybe we should express our gratitude to the UK hauliers and drivers for the risks that they are taking on a daily basis to both import and export goods . Your not a Lorry Driver by any chance Pat are you "No , I have both LGV and PSV licences ( now C +E and Cat D ) but I do not drive for a living . | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view.... A very good point but I do not really have time to do that . For most information , I rely on three daily papers to give me a summary of the key points . You point is noted . " I know it's not practical for everything, I just meant for 1 or 2 subjects you really care about. For me, economic data and stuff to do with military / war. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776 "Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now | |||
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"Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776 "Have you actually read anything about the Sykes-Picot Agreement? It's a little more relevant to the situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now ". Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint! | |||
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"Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Have you actually read anything about the Sykes-Picot Agreement? It's a little more relevant to the situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement"Small detail that..oh and forgetting we fought a war in the 1940s in the middle east...i do believe they all existed then...but hey lets go back in time to the crusades | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!"No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 | |||
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"Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Have you actually read anything about the Sykes-Picot Agreement? It's a little more relevant to the situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement". Your like a white guy carrying a giant cross for his burden!. Which is good because they've got something to nail you up on! | |||
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"Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Have you actually read anything about the Sykes-Picot Agreement? It's a little more relevant to the situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement
Small detail that..oh and forgetting we fought a war in the 1940s in the middle east...i do believe they all existed then...but hey lets go back in time to the crusades "The fact that we have bombed the Middle East flat for the last twenty years just might have something to do with it too...but all Middle Eastern people are just bloodthirsty savages anyway, of course. It made no difference. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 ". They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century | |||
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"Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Have you actually read anything about the Sykes-Picot Agreement? It's a little more relevant to the situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes%E2%80%93Picot_Agreement
Small detail that..oh and forgetting we fought a war in the 1940s in the middle east...i do believe they all existed then...but hey lets go back in time to the crusades
The fact that we have bombed the Middle East flat for the last twenty years just might have something to do with it too...but all Middle Eastern people are just bloodthirsty savages anyway, of course. It made no difference. ". When did we bomb Pakistan! Or Saudi Arabia or Iran! | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century"Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan ". Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now. Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776.. What made them nuts then exactly? | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?"I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? | |||
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"Maybe it's all Adam Smith's fault? 1776 is when he published The Wealth of Nations." Never thought about that | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view.... A very good point but I do not really have time to do that . For most information , I rely on three daily papers to give me a summary of the key points . You point is noted . I know it's not practical for everything, I just meant for 1 or 2 subjects you really care about. For me, economic data and stuff to do with military / war. " . Sounds like you are knowledgeable and do detailed research . I will hold my hands up and say that I am not as consciousess as you are . | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view.... A very good point but I do not really have time to do that . For most information , I rely on three daily papers to give me a summary of the key points . You point is noted . I know it's not practical for everything, I just meant for 1 or 2 subjects you really care about. For me, economic data and stuff to do with military / war. . Sounds like you are knowledgeable and do detailed research . I will hold my hands up and say that I am not as consciousess as you are . " Only on those subjects, and actually my secret is audible, £6.99 a month and you get an audio book each month you can listen to one your phone during the commute to work, can get through a book a month pretty easily. No I'm not on commission. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? ". The US didn't exist until 1776 | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view.... A very good point but I do not really have time to do that . For most information , I rely on three daily papers to give me a summary of the key points . You point is noted . The three papers you choose to read are not noted for their factual content. Their fictional content is very good though, amongst the best in the world." . If newspapers were too start publishing blatantly untrue information , they would be hauled before the press regulatory authorities . I am happy to rely on facts as presented in the newspapers which I read and make my own independent assessment of the opinions as presented by the columnists . | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776 "I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view.... A very good point but I do not really have time to do that . For most information , I rely on three daily papers to give me a summary of the key points . You point is noted . The three papers you choose to read are not noted for their factual content. Their fictional content is very good though, amongst the best in the world.. If newspapers were too start publishing blatantly untrue information , they would be hauled before the press regulatory authorities . I am happy to rely on facts as presented in the newspapers which I read and make my own independent assessment of the opinions as presented by the columnists . " Columnists present opinion not fact. | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view.... A very good point but I do not really have time to do that . For most information , I rely on three daily papers to give me a summary of the key points . You point is noted . The three papers you choose to read are not noted for their factual content. Their fictional content is very good though, amongst the best in the world.. If newspapers were too start publishing blatantly untrue information , they would be hauled before the press regulatory authorities . I am happy to rely on facts as presented in the newspapers which I read and make my own independent assessment of the opinions as presented by the columnists . " What press regulatory authorities? Do you mean toothless IPSO? Wow. You know that there is only ONE party leader who is seeking to introduce the proper regulations proposed by the Leveson Inquiry, to make sure that our newspapers are properly regulated? ONE party leader who is not operating under the instructions of the people who own the Daily Mail, The Times and The Telegraph? His name is Jeremy Corbyn. And until he is prime minister, you can forget about press regulation. It's a sham. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776
I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776
I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
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I've already read about them thanks!.
Which bit of the crusades makes you think they were anything but not fucked up!"Im glad i didnt hold my breath | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776
I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
.
I've already read about them thanks!.
Which bit of the crusades makes you think they were anything but not fucked up!
Im glad i didnt hold my breath ". Well you opened up with.. The middle East is fucked because it's all the West's fault!. I said it's been fucked up since the 15th century after the enlightenment ended, long before 1776 and the birth of the US. Now if you really wanna insist that everything bad in the middle East is the fault of the west, carry on | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776
I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
.
I've already read about them thanks!.
Which bit of the crusades makes you think they were anything but not fucked up!
Im glad i didnt hold my breath .
Well you opened up with.. The middle East is fucked because it's all the West's fault!.
I said it's been fucked up since the 15th century after the enlightenment ended, long before 1776 and the birth of the US.
Now if you really wanna insist that everything bad in the middle East is the fault of the west, carry on"If you read your history...it is...but wtf 1776 has to do with it i'll never know...my point was we THE WEST have been meddling there since the Crusades what bit of it dont you get...were just doing now with bombs and guns instead of swords and cannonballs ..geez feels like im talking to the wall  | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776
I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
.
I've already read about them thanks!.
Which bit of the crusades makes you think they were anything but not fucked up!
Im glad i didnt hold my breath .
Well you opened up with.. The middle East is fucked because it's all the West's fault!.
I said it's been fucked up since the 15th century after the enlightenment ended, long before 1776 and the birth of the US.
Now if you really wanna insist that everything bad in the middle East is the fault of the west, carry on
If you read your history...it is...but wtf 1776 has to do with it i'll never know...my point was we THE WEST have been meddling there since the Crusades what bit of it dont you get...were just doing now with bombs and guns instead of swords and cannonballs ..geez feels like im talking to the wall ". You do know the crusades was a Christian army put together to expel the INVADING Muslim army.. You know they were in Italy don't you, with tax's and sex slaves and beheadings.. Ring a ding.. Are any bells going off yet.. I really really don't think you've read any history or the Quran. Isis really aren't doing anything that Mohammed didn't do! | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776
I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
.
I've already read about them thanks!.
Which bit of the crusades makes you think they were anything but not fucked up!
Im glad i didnt hold my breath .
Well you opened up with.. The middle East is fucked because it's all the West's fault!.
I said it's been fucked up since the 15th century after the enlightenment ended, long before 1776 and the birth of the US.
Now if you really wanna insist that everything bad in the middle East is the fault of the west, carry on
If you read your history...it is...but wtf 1776 has to do with it i'll never know...my point was we THE WEST have been meddling there since the Crusades what bit of it dont you get...were just doing now with bombs and guns instead of swords and cannonballs ..geez feels like im talking to the wall "If you knew your history properly then you'd know the only time the region has even been peaceful for a sustained period of time is when the west did mess with it (i.e the ottoman empire ruled it). Other than that it's normally been a clusterfuck in the AD years. Why don't you see how long Islam took to fragment about 400 years before the crusades and that didn't need any western help. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776
I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
.
I've already read about them thanks!.
Which bit of the crusades makes you think they were anything but not fucked up!
Im glad i didnt hold my breath .
Well you opened up with.. The middle East is fucked because it's all the West's fault!.
I said it's been fucked up since the 15th century after the enlightenment ended, long before 1776 and the birth of the US.
Now if you really wanna insist that everything bad in the middle East is the fault of the west, carry on
If you read your history...it is...but wtf 1776 has to do with it i'll never know...my point was we THE WEST have been meddling there since the Crusades what bit of it dont you get...were just doing now with bombs and guns instead of swords and cannonballs ..geez feels like im talking to the wall
If you knew your history properly then you'd know the only time the region has even been peaceful for a sustained period of time is when the west did mess with it (i.e the ottoman empire ruled it). Other than that it's normally been a clusterfuck in the AD years. Why don't you see how long Islam took to fragment about 400 years before the crusades and that didn't need any western help. "I do know my history thank you...you mean when they were chopping off all the muslims heads etc etc to control them...your exactly arguing my point... | |||
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" I can only base my knowledge on what I read in the papers. I don't think you really meant that did you!? . Newspapers , the internet , and TV news but mainly news papers .. Errr but you know they only do secondary research right? If a subject interests you then you could actually read the primary research for yourself and get an unfiltered view.... A very good point but I do not really have time to do that . For most information , I rely on three daily papers to give me a summary of the key points . You point is noted . The three papers you choose to read are not noted for their factual content. Their fictional content is very good though, amongst the best in the world.. If newspapers were too start publishing blatantly untrue information , they would be hauled before the press regulatory authorities . I am happy to rely on facts as presented in the newspapers which I read and make my own independent assessment of the opinions as presented by the columnists . What press regulatory authorities? Do you mean toothless IPSO? Wow. You know that there is only ONE party leader who is seeking to introduce the proper regulations proposed by the Leveson Inquiry, to make sure that our newspapers are properly regulated? ONE party leader who is not operating under the instructions of the people who own the Daily Mail, The Times and The Telegraph? His name is Jeremy Corbyn. And until he is prime minister, you can forget about press regulation. It's a sham."  No one is compelled to buy news papers or read them. If the reporting was that inaccurate , I don't think many people would bother buying them.
We should be gratefull for many of the issues which newspapers have influenced or exposed ..The Daily Telegraph exposed the MPs expense scandal.
If the recomendations of the Leveraon enquiry were implemented , it would simply restrict free speech .
These readership of most papers are quite capable of distinguishing between opinions and facts .
I do not think many readers of these papers would wish to take their advice from Jeremy Corbyn . | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776
I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
.
I've already read about them thanks!.
Which bit of the crusades makes you think they were anything but not fucked up!
Im glad i didnt hold my breath .
Well you opened up with.. The middle East is fucked because it's all the West's fault!.
I said it's been fucked up since the 15th century after the enlightenment ended, long before 1776 and the birth of the US.
Now if you really wanna insist that everything bad in the middle East is the fault of the west, carry on
If you read your history...it is...but wtf 1776 has to do with it i'll never know...my point was we THE WEST have been meddling there since the Crusades what bit of it dont you get...were just doing now with bombs and guns instead of swords and cannonballs ..geez feels like im talking to the wall
If you knew your history properly then you'd know the only time the region has even been peaceful for a sustained period of time is when the west did mess with it (i.e the ottoman empire ruled it). Other than that it's normally been a clusterfuck in the AD years. Why don't you see how long Islam took to fragment about 400 years before the crusades and that didn't need any western help.
I do know my history thank you...you mean when they were chopping off all the muslims heads etc etc to control them...your exactly arguing my point... "No you're contradicting yourself. Tell me when the period of (relative) sustained peace that existed before the west started meddling? Where are you tracing back to because I'm saying it never existed. | |||
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"Pat, the same thing happened to a friend of mine by a group of white men in Durham city centre.. That's not quite the same though is it!. That's a crime that we couldn't predict! Why not? White men have been attacking women in Durham for hundreds of years.. Yes i realise that crimes between citizens have been going on quite a bit. There's not alot you can do about it though! Like I couldn't predict a series of events would lead to the murder of that EastEnders actress and her kids. However I can predict now with absolute certainty, that if you let in 20,000 immigrants a certain % will rape and murder, these people that get raped and murdererd would not have been if you hadn't taken that action of letting them in! So you are suggesting that we shouldn't offer refuge to people fleeing conflicts (that we have helped to create, incidentally, not that it matters), just in case some of them are criminals? I'm guessing that's not what you mean, because that would make no sense.. I'm suggesting that it's easy for you to say, because your you!. Try being a raped women and get back to me with your idealism!. You wanna belive that nothing bad will come of it, that's fine, but the evidence suggests otherwise It's easy for me to say, because I am thinking about the issue. Of course some bad things are likely to happen in the future. But so what? We have a responsibility to help people fleeing conflict, especially when we are responsible for the causes of those conflicts. Performing the right humanitarian actions come first, always, and there is no debate to be had otherwise.. You think this conflict is (our) fault, your deluded at best!. Look around the world, there's chaos everywhere. You think letting in everybody from chaotic countries will work out with everyone becoming like the west.. I think it will leave the west becoming like the chaotic countries That's highly unlikely, unless we start bombing ourselves for the next twenty years. Are you expecting that to happen too?. If you think bombing people causes people to shoot their own mother's in the head or to get their five year old kids to execute people, you really are deluded Pray tell were your gathering your information from...we have caused the problems your talking about..in Iraq....Syria...Libya and most other countries..simply by trying to impose our willpower over them..in conjunction with America...im at a loss to really understand were your coming from ...theres a saying you reap what you sow .
What an earth are you wittering on about, the middle East has been fucked up before the US even existed as a country.
Now i know your taking the piss .
Have you actually read anything about any middle Eastern empires that existed before 1776
Has anyone told you..but its 2016 now .
Not to most middle Eastern countries it aint!
No your a bit right on that ..because were intent on bombing them back into 1776 .
They should love you for it, their entire philosophy is in the 15th century
Man dont you get it...we allowed it..up until bush and blair..it was controlled...oh and Regan and Thatcher in the 80..to get the Russians out of Afganistan .
Ohhh the west made them all nuts, ahh I've got it now.
Let's get back to that point I made about any middle Eastern empire that existed before 1776..
What made them nuts then exactly?
I give up...what has 1776 got to do with this situation now ? .
The US didn't exist until 1776
I suggest you read and listen to this piece...it might enlighten you hopefully..but i wont hold my breath
http://www.history.com/topics/crusades
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I've already read about them thanks!.
Which bit of the crusades makes you think they were anything but not fucked up!
Im glad i didnt hold my breath .
Well you opened up with.. The middle East is fucked because it's all the West's fault!.
I said it's been fucked up since the 15th century after the enlightenment ended, long before 1776 and the birth of the US.
Now if you really wanna insist that everything bad in the middle East is the fault of the west, carry on
If you read your history...it is...but wtf 1776 has to do with it i'll never know...my point was we THE WEST have been meddling there since the Crusades what bit of it dont you get...were just doing now with bombs and guns instead of swords and cannonballs ..geez feels like im talking to the wall
If you knew your history properly then you'd know the only time the region has even been peaceful for a sustained period of time is when the west did mess with it (i.e the ottoman empire ruled it). Other than that it's normally been a clusterfuck in the AD years. Why don't you see how long Islam took to fragment about 400 years before the crusades and that didn't need any western help.
I do know my history thank you...you mean when they were chopping off all the muslims heads etc etc to control them...your exactly arguing my point...
No you're contradicting yourself. Tell me when the period of (relative) sustained peace that existed before the west started meddling? Where are you tracing back to because I'm saying it never existed. "Im not saying it has....but we haven't helped...and bombing them back to the dark ages hasn't helped either...remember we got rid of Hussain...Gaddafi ..now its Assad's turn for us to get rid of...remember we armed and supplied the Taliban in Afghanistan to get rid of the Russians...we armed and supplied Saddam Hussein..to fight Iran... we open up pandora's box..on a lie from Blair and Bush...now we are paying the price...by allowing the muslim extremists to thrive...at least with those leaders in power there was relative peace | |||
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