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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Here is the link to the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-12253315
The CPS state that they won't prosecute due to lack of evidence, depite the fact that this act had been captured on CCTV.
I Cannot be sure where the evidence lacked, perhaps the CCTV images could not prove that whatever these guys were burning was actually a copy of the Koran
however it seems that they must have intended it to look that way, Koran or no Koran.
Personally I think if they intended this stunt to appear as though they'd burned the Koran. they should be prosecuted.
Agree or disagree with the Muslim faith, this book is sacred to those who believe in it and it's disprespect should not be tolerated. |
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"so they should show respect and tollerance when living in amongst british people, and our society. do they respect the holy bible i think not."
There are around Three Million Muslims living in the United Kingdom....with 1.3 million of these born on these shores.
Which makes them as British as you.
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"Here is the link to the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-12253315
The CPS state that they won't prosecute due to lack of evidence, depite the fact that this act had been captured on CCTV.
I Cannot be sure where the evidence lacked, perhaps the CCTV images could not prove that whatever these guys were burning was actually a copy of the Koran
however it seems that they must have intended it to look that way, Koran or no Koran.
Personally I think if they intended this stunt to appear as though they'd burned the Koran. they should be prosecuted.
Agree or disagree with the Muslim faith, this book is sacred to those who believe in it and it's disprespect should not be tolerated."
Agree completely.
Tolerance for different religious ideals is not a smorgasbord - you don't get to choose which parts you like & which you don't.
We in the UK have come a long way from the dark days of the C16th/C17th when we were involved in the European Wars of Religion, lets not try to crawl back there. |
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I think that tolerance of other religions in the UK is commonly practised by most people, it is the minority on both sides of the Christian and Muslim sectors that try to stand out by disrespecting the other. |
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"I think that tolerance of other religions in the UK is commonly practised by most people, it is the minority on both sides of the Christian and Muslim sectors that try to stand out by disrespecting the other."
Oh i quite agree, the Muslims i know are quite offended by the idiots spouting stupidity apparently in the their name. Idiots spouting Christian-based bigotry, stupidity, racism & hatred must similarly embarrass Christians likewise.
Whilst i hold no brief or even acceptance of any religious belief i will shout loudly for the right of any person to worship as they see fit, where i draw the line is (as in the case of the bigoted Cornish hoteliers) where peoples religious beliefs intrude on the rights of private citizens. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It was obviously done to provoke outrage among muslims which is unacceptable.
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true it is unacceptable but then so was them spitting on the monuments on poppy day
what goes around comes around
you cant bite someone and then moan when they come back and bite you on the ass
people have to either get along or not but it works both ways you cant show disrespect of other people culture but expect them to respect your |
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By *orestersCouple
over a year ago
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Wouldn't this come under freedom of speech though? After all, it was just a book. Pages made up of wood pulp with some ink on them. The importance of those words is only a belief by some people, not the people carrying out the burning. Just by saying that they would burn a koran is as bad as actually doing it, for the equality of disrespect. The muslim crowd waving hate messages on huge placards in Wootton Basset were not arrested, nor should they have been. Their right to peaceful protest is exactly the same. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Is Islam that weak a religion that it cannot withstand a few bigots burning a single book?
Christianity comes under microscopic scrutiny on a daily basis somewhere in the world and we're free to write whatever we think about it. It (Christianity) stands up and says, "give me your best shot, I'll still be here." Maybe Islam could learn a thing or two from western religions. |
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racial equality in this country is terible!! there is a massive outcry about the burning of a koran but hardly anything about burning jesus on a cross. effigys of world leaders also state flags, minoritys only have to make one complaint as opposed to the majority having to resort to public stunts to raise awareness to this trend of the world is against us.learn to live togother and accept our differences or find somwhere that is willing to tolerate childish he said she said attitudes, rant over enjoy life live n let live |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If there wasnt enough evidence.. then thats it..
It was a burnt book.. to be fair they are making a bigger thing out of it by keep going on about it in the media..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so they should show respect and tollerance when living in amongst british people, and our society. do they respect the holy bible i think not."
actually, they do. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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what makes me laugh is this is a culture that shot dead a 13 year old girl for wearing jeans, publicly flogged a woman for being raped, chopped off the hands of a 6 year old boy who hadnt eaten in days for pinching a loaf of bread, bugger me the list in endless, and all this is totally acceptable in muslim law
but you cant burn a book 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"racial equality in this country is terible!! there is a massive outcry about the burning of a koran but hardly anything about burning jesus on a cross. effigys of world leaders also state flags, minoritys only have to make one complaint as opposed to the majority having to resort to public stunts to raise awareness to this trend of the world is against us.learn to live togother and accept our differences or find somwhere that is willing to tolerate childish he said she said attitudes, rant over enjoy life live n let live"
unfair to call it childish. children would not think to do this without learning it from an adult. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"what makes me laugh is this is a culture that shot dead a 13 year old girl for wearing jeans, publicly flogged a woman for being raped, chopped off the hands of a 6 year old boy who hadnt eaten in days for pinching a loaf of bread, bugger me the list in endless, and all this is totally acceptable in muslim law
but you cant burn a book
go figure"
you are talking totalitarian regimes who have no respect for the spirt of Islam. I really do not think they deserve to be counted amongst the Moslims (my opinion) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so they should show respect and tollerance when living in amongst british people, and our society. do they respect the holy bible i think not.
actually, they do."
some do i live in a high ethnic area and i work with lot of muslim, who are no different to me, they are nice polite poeple, most who are born in this country dont agree with what extream muslims do any more than we do
i lot just use their religeon to be arses, no different than yobs who hang about football matches and use it as an exuse to fight |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so they should show respect and tollerance when living in amongst british people, and our society. do they respect the holy bible i think not.
actually, they do.
some do i live in a high ethnic area and i work with lot of muslim, who are no different to me, they are nice polite poeple, most who are born in this country dont agree with what extream muslims do any more than we do
i lot just use their religeon to be arses, no different than yobs who hang about football matches and use it as an exuse to fight"
Islaam respect and values all prophets equally, so if they do not respect the Bible they are not true believers, they are "using" "exploiting" strirring up racial hatred. Simple as that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"racial equality in this country is terible!! there is a massive outcry about the burning of a koran but hardly anything about burning jesus on a cross. effigys of world leaders also state flags, minoritys only have to make one complaint as opposed to the majority having to resort to public stunts to raise awareness to this trend of the world is against us.learn to live togother and accept our differences or find somwhere that is willing to tolerate childish he said she said attitudes, rant over enjoy life live n let live
unfair to call it childish. children would not think to do this without learning it from an adult."
yes your totally right but the thing is when you hear about such things people tar all muslims with the same brush which is why you get folks burning the koran and in return why you get decent muslims getting upset |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Here is the link to the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-12253315
The CPS state that they won't prosecute due to lack of evidence, depite the fact that this act had been captured on CCTV.
I Cannot be sure where the evidence lacked, perhaps the CCTV images could not prove that whatever these guys were burning was actually a copy of the Koran
however it seems that they must have intended it to look that way, Koran or no Koran.
Personally I think if they intended this stunt to appear as though they'd burned the Koran. they should be prosecuted.
Agree or disagree with the Muslim faith, this book is sacred to those who believe in it and it's disprespect should not be tolerated."
Reading the other newspaper reports of this incident it looks as if the decision not to prosecute was because
"Prosecutors said police could not identify who recorded the video and posted it online and there was not enough evidence those involved were threatening anyone.
They added that the men could not be charged with a religiously aggravated public order offence because they could not prove anyone was there who was distressed."
As I say, it's a newspaper report so that may or may not be the case but it does make a bit of sense.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Here is the link to the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-12253315
The CPS state that they won't prosecute due to lack of evidence, depite the fact that this act had been captured on CCTV.
I Cannot be sure where the evidence lacked, perhaps the CCTV images could not prove that whatever these guys were burning was actually a copy of the Koran
however it seems that they must have intended it to look that way, Koran or no Koran.
Personally I think if they intended this stunt to appear as though they'd burned the Koran. they should be prosecuted.
Agree or disagree with the Muslim faith, this book is sacred to those who believe in it and it's disprespect should not be tolerated.
Reading the other newspaper reports of this incident it looks as if the decision not to prosecute was because
"Prosecutors said police could not identify who recorded the video and posted it online and there was not enough evidence those involved were threatening anyone.
They added that the men could not be charged with a religiously aggravated public order offence because they could not prove anyone was there who was distressed."
As I say, it's a newspaper report so that may or may not be the case but it does make a bit of sense.
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Incitement to religious hatred protects the believer not the belief.......
Just as well........ |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"racial equality in this country is terible!! there is a massive outcry about the burning of a koran but hardly anything about burning jesus on a cross. effigys of world leaders also state flags, minoritys only have to make one complaint as opposed to the majority having to resort to public stunts to raise awareness to this trend of the world is against us.learn to live togother and accept our differences or find somwhere that is willing to tolerate childish he said she said attitudes, rant over enjoy life live n let live
unfair to call it childish. children would not think to do this without learning it from an adult.
yes your totally right but the thing is when you hear about such things people tar all muslims with the same brush which is why you get folks burning the koran and in return why you get decent muslims getting upset"
Well if they get upset about the rotten apples in their comunity, its up to them to sort the problem out.
After all, they most likely know who they are.
As someone once said "All it takes for evil to flourish is good men to stand by and do nothing".
To do nothing is to condone it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"racial equality in this country is terible!! there is a massive outcry about the burning of a koran but hardly anything about burning jesus on a cross. effigys of world leaders also state flags, minoritys only have to make one complaint as opposed to the majority having to resort to public stunts to raise awareness to this trend of the world is against us.learn to live togother and accept our differences or find somwhere that is willing to tolerate childish he said she said attitudes, rant over enjoy life live n let live
unfair to call it childish. children would not think to do this without learning it from an adult.
yes your totally right but the thing is when you hear about such things people tar all muslims with the same brush which is why you get folks burning the koran and in return why you get decent muslims getting upset
Well if they get upset about the rotten apples in their comunity, its up to them to sort the problem out.
After all, they most likely know who they are.
As someone once said "All it takes for evil to flourish is good men to stand by and do nothing".
To do nothing is to condone it.
XXXX"
That saying is so relevant these days. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The media are the biggest offenders in this in my opinion. The papers carry such stories on a daily basis and simply make matters far far worse than they really are. "
Like a self fulfilling phrophesy isn`t it ........
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if i saw someone burning the koran i would deffo piss on it to put it out as i would with any book of religion there has been more deaths executions and wars caused by religion than anyting else fuckem all people are just people good and bad in any race creed and colour...... ok rant over enjoy life xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"if i saw someone burning the koran i would deffo piss on it to put it out as i would with any book of religion there has been more deaths executions and wars caused by religion than anyting else fuckem all people are just people good and bad in any race creed and colour...... ok rant over enjoy life xxx"
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"so they should show respect and tollerance when living in amongst british people, and our society. do they respect the holy bible i think not.
There are around Three Million Muslims living in the United Kingdom....with 1.3 million of these born on these shores.
Which makes them as British as you.
Like it or not "
then they should adhere to the laws of our land and show respect to our religion and our way of life!.
does that not seem reasonable to you?,if they do not like it they can go back to a muslim country,ie pakistan which seems to be the
country of origin for their parents. |
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"The media are the biggest offenders in this in my opinion. The papers carry such stories on a daily basis and simply make matters far far worse than they really are.
Like a self fulfilling phrophesy isn`t it ........
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Exactly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so they should show respect and tollerance when living in amongst british people, and our society. do they respect the holy bible i think not.
There are around Three Million Muslims living in the United Kingdom....with 1.3 million of these born on these shores.
Which makes them as British as you.
Like it or not
then they should adhere to the laws of our land and show respect to our religion and our way of life!.
does that not seem reasonable to you?,if they do not like it they can go back to a muslim country,ie pakistan which seems to be the
country of origin for their parents. "
so you have inside information on who they are? c'mon spill. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Here is the link to the BBC News article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-12253315
The CPS state that they won't prosecute due to lack of evidence, depite the fact that this act had been captured on CCTV.
I Cannot be sure where the evidence lacked, perhaps the CCTV images could not prove that whatever these guys were burning was actually a copy of the Koran
however it seems that they must have intended it to look that way, Koran or no Koran.
Personally I think if they intended this stunt to appear as though they'd burned the Koran. they should be prosecuted.
Agree or disagree with the Muslim faith, this book is sacred to those who believe in it and it's disprespect should not be tolerated."
It doesn't matter if it is or isn't the actual book it is stirring up bad feeling and can only cause problems. I wish all religions were more respectful. Talk about preaching harmony, they dont seem to be getting results in that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Regardless of the book and regardless of the motivation burning books is seriously wrong. "
unless you are really cold and there is nothing else for fuel. (saw that in a film once).  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Is Islam that weak a religion that it cannot withstand a few bigots burning a single book?
Christianity comes under microscopic scrutiny on a daily basis somewhere in the world and we're free to write whatever we think about it. It (Christianity) stands up and says, "give me your best shot, I'll still be here." Maybe Islam could learn a thing or two from western religions."
sure Islam can learn, but before you say stuff like that remember there were christians that offended by "the life of brian" and "jerry springer: the opera" so christianity can be said to be that weak as well....
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"so they should show respect and tollerance when living in amongst british people, and our society. do they respect the holy bible i think not.
There are around Three Million Muslims living in the United Kingdom....with 1.3 million of these born on these shores.
Which makes them as British as you.
Like it or not
then they should adhere to the laws of our land and show respect to our religion and our way of life!.
does that not seem reasonable to you?,if they do not like it they can go back to a muslim country,ie pakistan which seems to be the
country of origin for their parents. "
What part about being born in Britain....being as British as most of us on here....and having the freedom to follow any religion they please don't you grasp?
Britain DOES NOT have an official religion, it has freedom to choose religion.
If Britain was to have a traditional religion the chances are it would be sodding Paganism.....what on earth makes you think the children or grandchildren of immigrants have to follow YOUR particular religion?
There is no 'Our religion'. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Seems to me that some peeps have a difficulty seperating religious hate crime and rasicm in their minds.....the two are very closely entwined at times mayhaps..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so they should show respect and tollerance when living in amongst british people, and our society. do they respect the holy bible i think not.
There are around Three Million Muslims living in the United Kingdom....with 1.3 million of these born on these shores.
Which makes them as British as you.
Like it or not
then they should adhere to the laws of our land and show respect to our religion and our way of life!.
does that not seem reasonable to you?,if they do not like it they can go back to a muslim country,ie pakistan which seems to be the
country of origin for their parents.
What part about being born in Britain....being as British as most of us on here....and having the freedom to follow any religion they please don't you grasp?
Britain DOES NOT have an official religion, it has freedom to choose religion.
If Britain was to have a traditional religion the chances are it would be sodding Paganism.....what on earth makes you think the children or grandchildren of immigrants have to follow YOUR particular religion?
There is no 'Our religion'. "
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Shame on all you feckers who didn't go to church this morning.... shame on you!
You should have your passports taken away and be sent back to some other place you weren't even born in for not displaying our Christian faith!
Feck off back to Rome or Norway or whichever place your raping forefathers came from.
God bless.... amen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What part about being born in Britain....being as British as most of us on here....and having the freedom to follow any religion they please don't you grasp?
Britain DOES NOT have an official religion, it has freedom to choose religion.
If Britain was to have a traditional religion the chances are it would be sodding Paganism.....what on earth makes you think the children or grandchildren of immigrants have to follow YOUR particular religion?
There is no 'Our religion'. "
Britain doesn't have an official religion but England has an established church (Church of England) thus you could fairly argue that the 'established' religion is Christianity.
There is, as you rightly say, no compulsion to follow that, or any religion. Looking at comments elsewhere about the damage done in the name of religion it might be time to ban religions altogether. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What part about being born in Britain....being as British as most of us on here....and having the freedom to follow any religion they please don't you grasp?
Britain DOES NOT have an official religion, it has freedom to choose religion.
If Britain was to have a traditional religion the chances are it would be sodding Paganism.....what on earth makes you think the children or grandchildren of immigrants have to follow YOUR particular religion?
There is no 'Our religion'.
Britain doesn't have an official religion but England has an established church (Church of England) thus you could fairly argue that the 'established' religion is Christianity.
There is, as you rightly say, no compulsion to follow that, or any religion. Looking at comments elsewhere about the damage done in the name of religion it might be time to ban religions altogether."
oh yeah, like there are really good examples of that ever working. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I despise some cults, as such I`d be a perfect liberty to burn a copy of the Watchtower in the street.....
The law would protect me in that endeavour...the right to critisise or protest against another religions beliefs....its free speech .....
One could argue that burning a fecking book shows an appaling way to put over an coherent considered arguement ....
Alls ok so far....until I incite others to do harm to someone who follows the religion I`m protesting about ....
I know fuck all about the case the OP highlighted ...but mabye noone was injured, or incited to harm others ?
So I guess it was seen as peaceful protest ...unless we`re going down the road of ....you`ve hurt my feelings ...hopefully not ....
People of faith have long shown they can weather insults ....their faith is their armour ...
Just musing really ... |
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By *abioMan
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"Banning what people think...now there's an interesting concept "
and the is misreading what someone has said!!!
I can see what people have saying, and in the grand scheme of things, how many wars and confict have been caused, started by religions be that different sections of the same religion or religion on religion....
it not the books or roads themselves but the way that they are interpreted.....
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"Banning what people think...now there's an interesting concept
and the is misreading what someone has said!!!
I can see what people have saying, and in the grand scheme of things, how many wars and confict have been caused, started by religions be that different sections of the same religion or religion on religion....
it not the books or roads themselves but the way that they are interpreted.....
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I'm sorry...I don't understand what this means. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If u deny religeon of any kind u deny your right to be born.
as your grandparents or even furthur back may not have the need to think of having children. Because having children was much to do with their faith. |
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"If u deny religeon of any kind u deny your right to be born.
as your grandparents or even furthur back may not have the need to think of having children. Because having children was much to do with their faith."
Pre our grandparents generation having kids was about having someone to look after you if you managed to live to old age.
As far as the religion/s which forbit contraception - this is little more than a membership recruiting campaign in the expectation these members will, in the fullness of time, contribute financially to the church's coffers. |
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