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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx" . I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . | |||
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"Newspapers all have their own underlying ideologies. But the jingoism of publications like the Mail, with their sensationalised headlines and less-than-accurate representations of the facts, really worries me. " The Daily Mail openly supported Oswald Mosley and fascism in the 1930's. Nothing has changed, The hatred they peddle is far worse than jingoism | |||
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"I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . "  | |||
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" I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs ." Because they fast throughout daylight hours, the concern is that low blood sugar levels would affect their levels of concentration. "May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority In any event , Britain is a Christian country . " We change the term times to fit around Easter.... 
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"I don't pay any attention to anything in the Fail, I wouldn't wipe my arse with that rag" No, it leaves more shit on than it wipes off | |||
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"Doesn't Ramadan move every year?" Don't know but Easter does and no one makes changes for Lent. | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx. I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . " It is for Britain a secular country to be able to compassionate and understanding to all groups , tribes and communities as far as practicable and reasonable. This is what I'd call humanity some could also call it christian values but ironically it does not seem all christians follow such values ? | |||
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"Doesn't Ramadan move every year? Don't know but Easter does and no one makes changes for Lent." Yes Ramadan does move every year  | |||
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"If schools are getting all logical, can I question whether kids still need 6 weeks off over summer to help with the harvest? "
Meaning that parents who work don't actually have enough annual leave to cover the school holidays | |||
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"If schools are getting all logical, can I question whether kids still need 6 weeks off over summer to help with the harvest?
Meaning that parents who work don't actually have enough annual leave to cover the school holidays"And their hard work buys them a great deal of fuck all when it comes to family holidays because the prices get forced up for that magic period. Anyone would think the kids aren't busy helping with the harvest. | |||
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"Doesn't Ramadan move every year?" Yes, just as Easter does (which also affects the school timetable). | |||
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"Doesn't Ramadan move every year?" No, but the Islamic calender is 'out of sync' with the Georgian calender by approximately 10 days per annum. Not exactly by 10 days as it is a lunar calender | |||
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"I read the article that they where going to be in talks with the relevant people aboit changing the time table to accommodate Ramadan. Can't see what difference it's going to make to anyone else. " Because, in order to prevent cheating, the rules for sitting exams at a different time are incredibly strict nowadays. In effect they might need to set completely separate papers, but then how would you compare the marks. I suspect they'll try to persuade the muslim leaders to issue exemptions from fasting for those with exams. Children are normally exempt anyway | |||
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"I read the article that they where going to be in talks with the relevant people aboit changing the time table to accommodate Ramadan. Can't see what difference it's going to make to anyone else. Because, in order to prevent cheating, the rules for sitting exams at a different time are incredibly strict nowadays. In effect they might need to set completely separate papers, but then how would you compare the marks. I suspect they'll try to persuade the muslim leaders to issue exemptions from fasting for those with exams. Children are normally exempt anyway " I doubt they'll even need to persuade them. Children, even at 16 rarely fast for all of Ramadam and given how important education is seen by the Islamic community I can;t see that there could be any problem with breaking the fast on the dayus a child sits an exam | |||
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"In any event , Britain is a Christian country . " Bollocks. | |||
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" I doubt they'll even need to persuade them. Children, even at 16 rarely fast for all of Ramadam and given how important education is seen by the Islamic community I can;t see that there could be any problem with breaking the fast on the days a child sits an exam"
In fact, having checked, the whole thing looks like a nonsense story cooked up either by the Secular Society and/or Christian groups to stir a little xenophobia.
(I had a link to the latest article in the Grauniad, but I pressed the wrong button  ) | |||
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"I read the article that they where going to be in talks with the relevant people aboit changing the time table to accommodate Ramadan. Can't see what difference it's going to make to anyone else. Because, in order to prevent cheating, the rules for sitting exams at a different time are incredibly strict nowadays. In effect they might need to set completely separate papers, but then how would you compare the marks. I suspect they'll try to persuade the muslim leaders to issue exemptions from fasting for those with exams. Children are normally exempt anyway I doubt they'll even need to persuade them. Children, even at 16 rarely fast for all of Ramadam and given how important education is seen by the Islamic community I can;t see that there could be any problem with breaking the fast on the dayus a child sits an exam" I know children under the age of 19 who do adhere to the ideals of Ramadan. However you are correct, for specific reasons, you do not have to partake in Ramadan, but usually those who do not will adhere to its structures at a later date. | |||
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"In fact, having checked, the whole thing looks like a nonsense story cooked up either by the Secular Society and/or Christian groups to stir a little xenophobia. " And judging by some of the posts on this thread - it worked | |||
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"Doesn't Ramadan move every year? Yes, just as Easter does (which also affects the school timetable). " Our kids even had Christmas off too!! 
(Though sadly they had to go back before baby Jesus got to open his pressies  ) | |||
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"I read the article that they where going to be in talks with the relevant people aboit changing the time table to accommodate Ramadan. Can't see what difference it's going to make to anyone else. Because, in order to prevent cheating, the rules for sitting exams at a different time are incredibly strict nowadays. In effect they might need to set completely separate papers, but then how would you compare the marks. I suspect they'll try to persuade the muslim leaders to issue exemptions from fasting for those with exams. Children are normally exempt anyway " ok that's different to the article I read, they where only going to alter in the small exam allocation window or change the exams from afternoon to morning | |||
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"Doesn't Ramadan move every year? Yes, just as Easter does (which also affects the school timetable). Our kids even had Christmas off too!!
(Though sadly they had to go back before baby Jesus got to open his pressies )" | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx. I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . " Exams are routinely timetabled to accommodate Whitsun (Christian) and Shavuot (Jewish) as well as Ramadan. To use your argument we wouldn't make those allowances I assume? | |||
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"Doesn't Ramadan move every year? Yes, just as Easter does (which also affects the school timetable). Our kids even had Christmas off too!!
(Though sadly they had to go back before baby Jesus got to open his pressies )"Christmas has only just started for the Greek Orthodox church. | |||
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"Hopefully the parents will have the common sense to not make the kids observe fasting etc at such a crucial time." but what if its the child's decision these are 16 hear olds | |||
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"In any event , Britain is a Christian country . Bollocks." hear hear it is bollocks,there should be a complete separation of church and state in the times we live in,the church ruled countries far too long and it should be up to elected individuals to decide on behalf of people who elected them to do what is best for society not some pontificating out of touch religious group. | |||
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" In any event , Britain is a Christian country . " And your evidence for that? A survey by YouGov in April 2015 found that three-fifths of Britons no longer describe themselves as religious. | |||
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"Doesn't Ramadan move every year? Yes, just as Easter does (which also affects the school timetable). Our kids even had Christmas off too!!
(Though sadly they had to go back before baby Jesus got to open his pressies )
Christmas has only just started for the Greek Orthodox church. "And the Russians These Johnny foreigners will make up any excuse for swinging the lead... | |||
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"I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country ." Is it fuck. Britain is way older than Christianity. Troublesome bastards just came in and started evangelising all over the place, as is their wont. | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx. I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . " Britain only came into existence after the JC lad? interesting take I guess. | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all " Gosh your a scholar. Bet you find it hard fighting off all the opportunities to give guest lectures. | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all " Apart from the pressies, obvs. And the choccy eggs. Oh, and to be honest, if it wasn't for Lent, I'd never shift this belly. Oooh, and the pancakes! Maybe it's not all so bad, and we haven't even started on that 'forgiveness' and 'peace to all men' malarky... | |||
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"Gosh your a scholar. Bet you find it hard fighting off all the opportunities to give guest lectures. " Next time you imply someone is unintelligent, try to spell 'you're' correctly. | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all " . I don't think that religion causes any problems . Christians believe in living a peacefull life and respecting others . What caused problems is politics which should not be confused with religion . | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all " What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.. | |||
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"Being programmed to buy all that shit for "religious" reasons lines who's pockets? Taken your money and put it in their pockets.. " Actually I'm not particularly religious, I just buy stuff out of love rather than naked consumerism. And technically, fasting during Lent lines my pockets
Besides, you have to admit the whole "treat your neighbour how you would wish to be treated" bit does make sense when you think about it.. | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all . I don't think that religion causes any problems . Christians believe in living a peacefull life and respecting others . What caused problems is politics which should not be confused with religion . " Religious groups are (some of the oldest) political groups, and by affiliating yourself with one, you condone them. | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.." very few poor religions out there | |||
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"Hopefully the parents will have the common sense to not make the kids observe fasting etc at such a crucial time.but what if its the child's decision these are 16 hear olds " Then thats their decision. However i daresay at 16 they still live and follow their parents guidance more than likely. | |||
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"Surely children are not expected to fast? Yes Ramadan moves so it would be difficult to accommodate. I thought the exams were in June/July England so out with the period of Ramadan. I don't think we should be changing anything. They would t do it if we were in their country. The U.K. would have a great profile on Fab - accommodates everyone! " The fact that we (apparently) try to accomodate everybody can only be a good thing, surely? | |||
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"Being programmed to buy all that shit for "religious" reasons lines who's pockets? Taken your money and put it in their pockets.. Actually I'm not particularly religious, I just buy stuff out of love rather than naked consumerism. And technically, fasting during Lent lines my pockets
Besides, you have to admit the whole "treat your neighbour how you would wish to be treated" bit does make sense when you think about it.."No problem with any of that Give a thought an action a gift a card anything when you feel the need - not because of what date it is.. Which is meaningless really anyway | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.. very few poor religions out there" . Churches and religious bodies need to manage their funds in the most efficient manner possible . I do not see many religious organisations displaying signs of affluence . In addition to the moral values which the churches maintain , we should be extremely grateful to the churches members for both maintaining them and the many historical buildings associated with them. Religions rely on voluntary donations and public goodwill. | |||
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"Gosh your a scholar. Bet you find it hard fighting off all the opportunities to give guest lectures. Next time you imply someone is unintelligent, try to spell 'you're' correctly. "Just making the point that I prefer people who use logic and evidence for their point of view rather than blanket statements, sorry if that's too much to ask | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.. very few poor religions out there. Churches and religious bodies need to manage their funds in the most efficient manner possible . I do not see many religious organisations displaying signs of affluence . In addition to the moral values which the churches maintain , we should be extremely grateful to the churches members for both maintaining them and the many historical buildings associated with them. Religions rely on voluntary donations and public goodwill. " Of course they don't - if they did people wouldn't be suckered into giving more Religion isn't needed for that Just a common decency between humans It's not hard to educate a child that being nice to people is required and expected throughout it's human life End of sermon! | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx. I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . " I fear that is sadly wrong, the Christian country is slowly being terfed aside by anyone who wants to. | |||
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"Gosh your a scholar. Bet you find it hard fighting off all the opportunities to give guest lectures. Next time you imply someone is unintelligent, try to spell 'you're' correctly.
Just making the point that I prefer people who use logic and evidence for their point of view rather than blanket statements, sorry if that's too much to ask"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0licugvgfOM | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.. very few poor religions out there. Churches and religious bodies need to manage their funds in the most efficient manner possible . I do not see many religious organisations displaying signs of affluence . In addition to the moral values which the churches maintain , we should be extremely grateful to the churches members for both maintaining them and the many historical buildings associated with them. Religions rely on voluntary donations and public goodwill. " ah will you open your eyes and see all the bloody property the poor churches own just for starters,they no more RELY on donations and good will than I rely on bed baths by sex crazed porn stars,they cry the poor mouth yes but would buy and sell us all in a heartbeat.if you are in any doubt just pop along to any cathedral and see the money its worth or pop over to the vatican and see the poor guys there starving and wearing threadbare hand me downs. | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all Gosh your a scholar. Bet you find it hard fighting off all the opportunities to give guest lectures. " You might like to look at Or is it youse? http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/world/the-10-richest-religions-in-the-world/?view=all | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.. very few poor religions out there. Churches and religious bodies need to manage their funds in the most efficient manner possible . I do not see many religious organisations displaying signs of affluence . In addition to the moral values which the churches maintain , we should be extremely grateful to the churches members for both maintaining them and the many historical buildings associated with them. Religions rely on voluntary donations and public goodwill. " The church is one of the biggest landowners in the UK - most of the land that was given to the church by william the conqueror still remains in the hands of the church - If I recall correctly, its about 1/5th of the UK. | |||
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"Great. This is my kind of debate. A christian country? what a joke. Generations of kids fucked up by subliminal fairy story indoctrination. A society screwed up by pandering to so-called minorities and religions totally alien and incomprehensible to logical humans. Bollocks is putting it mildly. (Cue my usual detractors lol)" Ditto It's so obvious the whole fucking set up is a total con The largest land owner is the monarchy - but they "gave it away" to the treasury Now actually called the monarchs corporation or something like that in exchange for the civil list "money paid to the monarchy" They historically have gone hand in hand - God and the King/Queen Happily robbing from everyone here and abroad hoarding the gains and we're not supposed to have noticed lol What a piss take | |||
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"Even once the profanities are filtered out, ignored or 'translated' the 'agrument' remains a little less than senseless" I don't see an argument it's a discussion that had evolved as it's progressed | |||
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"Even once the profanities are filtered out, ignored or 'translated' the 'agrument' remains a little less than senseless" Lots of people in the last census stated their religion as Jedi. Will we be pandering to minority groups and giving kids time off their exams each time a new Star Wars film comes out in future? | |||
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"Even once the profanities are filtered out, ignored or 'translated' the 'agrument' remains a little less than senseless Lots of people in the last census stated their religion as Jedi. Will we be pandering to minority groups and giving kids time off their exams each time a new Star Wars film comes out in future? "No exams on their holy day - may the fourth | |||
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"Anyway - I'm off to say my prayers and go to bed Night all "May your God go with You" RIP - Dave Allen " "I'm off to say my prayers and drink my milk" - Hulk Hogan | |||
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"Anyway - I'm off to say my prayers and go to bed Night all "May your God go with You" RIP - Dave Allen "I'm off to say my prayers and drink my milk" - Hulk Hogan" Fuck the devil, fuck god and fuck the church too. Lemmy | |||
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"Anyway - I'm off to say my prayers and go to bed Night all "May your God go with You" RIP - Dave Allen "I'm off to say my prayers and drink my milk" - Hulk Hogan Fuck the devil, fuck god and fuck the church too. Lemmy" Great bloke from round here and all that but......why did he never get rid of those fucking warts? | |||
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"Anyway - I'm off to say my prayers and go to bed Night all "May your God go with You" RIP - Dave Allen "I'm off to say my prayers and drink my milk" - Hulk Hogan Fuck the devil, fuck god and fuck the church too. Lemmy Great bloke from round here and all that but......why did he never get rid of those fucking warts?" Because he didn't give a fuck.  | |||
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" I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . Because they fast throughout daylight hours, the concern is that low blood sugar levels would affect their levels of concentration. May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority In any event , Britain is a Christian country . We change the term times to fit around Easter....
Mr ddc"Children dont have to fast... And they can skip a few days at the start and add them to the end of they want to. | |||
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"I don't pay any attention to anything in the Fail, I wouldn't wipe my arse with that rag" totally agree - but British newspapers all have their own warped issues (since the 70's) , that's why I have more respect for my arse to be as much as wiped by one! But then the same could be said for the politicians, military or police equally. | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.. very few poor religions out there. Churches and religious bodies need to manage their funds in the most efficient manner possible . I do not see many religious organisations displaying signs of affluence . In addition to the moral values which the churches maintain , we should be extremely grateful to the churches members for both maintaining them and the many historical buildings associated with them. Religions rely on voluntary donations and public goodwill. The church is one of the biggest landowners in the UK - most of the land that was given to the church by william the conqueror still remains in the hands of the church - If I recall correctly, its about 1/5th of the UK. " . One would exoect the church to be a large land owner .. People need places to workship and the running costs of these churches are paid by members donations and legacies. . | |||
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" Britain only came into existence after the JC lad? interesting take I guess." Britain as an island, from the end of the last ice age. But we're discussing education in this thread, so in this context; England became England in the 10th Century. The Kingdom of Great Britain on 1st May 1707. The United Kingdom of Great Britain came into being in 1801. The beginnings of the education system as we generally know it was introduced in 1870 with the compulsory education act, that required, for the first time, all children from the age of 5 to 13 to be educated. General examinations were established in 1918 with the introduction of the School Certificate of Education. These exams were taken at 16, although the minimum leaving age of 16 was not itself brought in until 1973. The National Curriculum was introduced in 1988. So, in the context of education, then yes, Britain only came into existence after the JC lad. | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.. very few poor religions out there. Churches and religious bodies need to manage their funds in the most efficient manner possible . I do not see many religious organisations displaying signs of affluence . In addition to the moral values which the churches maintain , we should be extremely grateful to the churches members for both maintaining them and the many historical buildings associated with them. Religions rely on voluntary donations and public goodwill. The church is one of the biggest landowners in the UK - most of the land that was given to the church by william the conqueror still remains in the hands of the church - If I recall correctly, its about 1/5th of the UK. . One would exoect the church to be a large land owner .. People need places to workship and the running costs of these churches are paid by members donations and legacies. ." Lol the land they own isnt simple churches its vast amounts of incredibly valuable real estate worth over 2 billion pounds. And about 7 billion total assets. | |||
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" I don't think that religion causes any problems . Christians believe in living a peacefull life and respecting others . What caused problems is politics which should not be confused with religion . " I think all religions believe in peaceful life and respecting others - like paganism - the first rule is harm none  | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.. very few poor religions out there. Churches and religious bodies need to manage their funds in the most efficient manner possible . I do not see many religious organisations displaying signs of affluence . In addition to the moral values which the churches maintain , we should be extremely grateful to the churches members for both maintaining them and the many historical buildings associated with them. Religions rely on voluntary donations and public goodwill. The church is one of the biggest landowners in the UK - most of the land that was given to the church by william the conqueror still remains in the hands of the church - If I recall correctly, its about 1/5th of the UK. . One would exoect the church to be a large land owner .. People need places to workship and the running costs of these churches are paid by members donations and legacies. . Lol the land they own isnt simple churches its vast amounts of incredibly valuable real estate worth over 2 billion pounds. And about 7 billion total assets. " . Yes . Church members expect their organisation to manage their resources in the most efficient manner possible . The Anglican Church has an excellent investment record from which other organisations could learn. Anglician | |||
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" . Yes . Church members expect their organisation to manage their resources in the most efficient manner possible . The Anglican Church has an excellent investment record from which other organisations could learn. Anglician " That's where I struggle though, I don't recall Jesus saying to the disciples "Now go out into the world and amass great wealth, then invest it in the most efficient manner possible".... Also a significant proportion of income still comes from the taxpayer, whether they are Christian or not. Mr ddc | |||
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"I think this whole story has been blown out of proportion - from what I've heard the idea was that the 'big' exams (maths, English etc) would be moved to the beginning point of the normal exam slots to avoid clashing with Ramadan. Seems entirely reasonable. I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. However it would also have been good if some of these concerns about candidates ability to sit exams at particular times could have been taken into account during my GCSEs and a levels which I had to do while doped up to the eyeballs on antihistamines and steroids because I had terrible hayfever. I'm convinced this affected my results - especially A Levels. I bet there's a similar proportion of students in that situation as the number who would be fasting." The hay fever debate was going on when I sat my exams so it's been on table for a long time. And without doubt it does have a impact for candidates who suffer. | |||
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" That's where I struggle though, I don't recall Jesus saying to the disciples "Now go out into the world and amass great wealth, then invest it in the most efficient manner possible".... " Nor indeed do I recall any teachings that say that christianity should stop at the White Cliffs of Dover. If the UK were indeed a christian country (it isn't) it would be welcoming the refugees, the sick and the dispossessed with open arms. (Luke 10:25-37) | |||
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"I'm sorry if you don't know.. Goes back to "the crusades" Look it up and follow the history " Please could you explain how events that happened before the separation of Church and State can be neatly divided between religion and politics? | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. " Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... | |||
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" Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... " Except atheism isn't a belief system. Saying atheism is a belief is like saying not going to watch soccer is a hobby. | |||
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" Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... Except atheism isn't a belief system. Saying atheism is a belief is like saying not going to watch soccer is a hobby." Atheism is the belief that deities don't exist. It even has a sacred book (the Gold delusion) and lots of atheists like to get together and have meetings to discuss how the book has improved their life, they often have guest speakers at these events (Richard Dawkins being the most sought after) and I'd wager that some of these meetings took place on a Sunday morning... | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... " To be fair, the original story implied Muslims had fewer rights because 'we are all Christians'. It is worth pointing out, as is often the case with these stories, Muslims were not clamouring to be treated differently, someone just found out that exam boards consulted all members of the community, and decided to make mischief. The story has been ascribed to both Christian and Secular sources, but I suspect the real origin is a cynical newspaper editor pandering to his narrow-minded readership Mr ddc | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... " Revenge? | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... Revenge?" The oppressed normally become the oppressor | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... Revenge?" Yes remember those Jehovah witnesses knocking on the door on a Sunday morning always came when having the good old Sunday morning shag | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... Revenge?Yes remember those Jehovah witnesses knocking on the door on a Sunday morning always came when having the good old Sunday morning shag"
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"The Daily Heil hasn't changed much since the 30's when it ran the headline, 'Hurrarh for the Blackshirts'. " The sad part was how many of the mainstream papers also ran with the story, even the Grauniad initially. But at least someone there thought "Hang on, had anyone actually checked if this story is true?" | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... Revenge?Yes remember those Jehovah witnesses knocking on the door on a Sunday morning always came when having the good old Sunday morning shag" How rude - you could have invited them to join in | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx. I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . Britain only came into existence after the JC lad? interesting take I guess." OK we will exempt all the British citizens born before Jesus who are still alive then. I think its fairly obvious that British society, values etc. have been heavily based upon Christianity. Our head of state (the Queen) is also head of the Church of England. Parts of the clergy sit in the house of Lords. The first word in our national anthem is God. Our major holidays are Christmas and Easter. 1 in 4 primary schools are Church of England schools. You will find a church in nearly every village in the UK and our towns and cities are full of them. Many people chose to get married in churches, get Christened in them, and get burried just outside. When people sneeze people will bless them, and when people swear many will mention god or Jesus. Many people pray, some of them regularly, others when a loved one is sick or when they want to win the lottery. Many people support charities with a Christian ethos, from local food banks to international organisations. Street pastors walk many a high street in the UK and nearly every hospital has chaplains, as do our armed forces, police and fire services. So when you stop and think about it, Christianity is woven all throughout our society. | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx. I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . Britain only came into existence after the JC lad? interesting take I guess. OK we will exempt all the British citizens born before Jesus who are still alive then. I think its fairly obvious that British society, values etc. have been heavily based upon Christianity. Our head of state (the Queen) is also head of the Church of England. Parts of the clergy sit in the house of Lords. The first word in our national anthem is God. Our major holidays are Christmas and Easter. 1 in 4 primary schools are Church of England schools. You will find a church in nearly every village in the UK and our towns and cities are full of them. Many people chose to get married in churches, get Christened in them, and get burried just outside. When people sneeze people will bless them, and when people swear many will mention god or Jesus. Many people pray, some of them regularly, others when a loved one is sick or when they want to win the lottery. Many people support charities with a Christian ethos, from local food banks to international organisations. Street pastors walk many a high street in the UK and nearly every hospital has chaplains, as do our armed forces, police and fire services. So when you stop and think about it, Christianity is woven all throughout our society. " A well written post which explains concisely what a significant number of people believe in . | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... " Absofuckinglutely, suck it up all ye of convenient faith. | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx. I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . Britain only came into existence after the JC lad? interesting take I guess. OK we will exempt all the British citizens born before Jesus who are still alive then. I think its fairly obvious that British society, values etc. have been heavily based upon Christianity. Our head of state (the Queen) is also head of the Church of England. Parts of the clergy sit in the house of Lords. The first word in our national anthem is God. Our major holidays are Christmas and Easter. 1 in 4 primary schools are Church of England schools. You will find a church in nearly every village in the UK and our towns and cities are full of them. Many people chose to get married in churches, get Christened in them, and get burried just outside. When people sneeze people will bless them, and when people swear many will mention god or Jesus. Many people pray, some of them regularly, others when a loved one is sick or when they want to win the lottery. Many people support charities with a Christian ethos, from local food banks to international organisations. Street pastors walk many a high street in the UK and nearly every hospital has chaplains, as do our armed forces, police and fire services. So when you stop and think about it, Christianity is woven all throughout our society. " Nobody has ever denied that Christianity exists in the UK, nor that it exerts its influence politically.The very fact that the bishops sit in the house of lords makes people who cry that religions are not political organisations look exceedingly daft to put it mildly. Everybody knows that the monarch is the head of the church of England, and most people know exactly how that came about (because he wanted a divorce which the pope wouldn't grant him, in case you missed history at school). None of the above makes Britian a "Christian country" it is, a country with some Christians in it (an ever dwindling number of the population currently). Atheism is not a belief, as much as some people like to assert - Dawkins is merely an author and has written many more books than "The God Delusion". Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a deity based on lack of evidence - the burden of proof is always on the person (or religion(s) in this case) who makes the assertion (in this case that a god or gods) exist to prove that this is the case. They can't, hence the word 'faith' - in order to be religious one has to suspend their disbelief (or make a "leap of faith", if you will). There is no more evidence for god than there is for the existence of a unicorn under my bed, but I don't waste my time pondering how I might please the unicorn and adjust my life accordingly. Or to (possibly slightly mis)quote Ricky Gervais "Mankind has believed in the existence of over 3000 gods and yet you expect me to believe that yours is the only real one?" | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... " Yup. Believe, don't believe, whatever. Just stop being cunts about it. | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... Yup. Believe, don't believe, whatever. Just stop being cunts about it. " It's not really that simple is it? Churches are organisations that seek to promote a moral agenda - as has been mentioned, the have their influence in schools, governments, they own vast swathes of land. Until they cease to do that, people will continue to have issues with them. | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... Yup. Believe, don't believe, whatever. Just stop being cunts about it. It's not really that simple is it? Churches are organisations that seek to promote a moral agenda - as has been mentioned, the have their influence in schools, governments, they own vast swathes of land. Until they cease to do that, people will continue to have issues with them. " Whatever agenda they promote, it is to the people attending the Churches. And it is these people who fund the Church and whatever wealth it may have amassed I could understand some of the comments were they going around forcing conversions. But they don't do they The schools they have influence over are funded by them. Parents flock to get their children into a Catholic school. They do have a choice; they can enroll their children in a State school if they disagree with the teachings I can't really see why now a very small number of people who follow their religion quietly stir up such strong emotions almost resembling hate from the majority | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... Yup. Believe, don't believe, whatever. Just stop being cunts about it. It's not really that simple is it? Churches are organisations that seek to promote a moral agenda - as has been mentioned, the have their influence in schools, governments, they own vast swathes of land. Until they cease to do that, people will continue to have issues with them. " It is that simple. You've set out your issues with churches above and that's fine. But it tends to descend into criticism of actual normal people who identify as religious and that's a completely different thing. The beliefs and actions of individual believers are not completely synonymous with the teachings and actions of "the Church" or "the Vatican" or whatever top brass of your particular religion. And, as I said, there is no need for a thread about the (alleged) response of a very small group of Christians to the actions of an exam board to turn into a generic Christian bashing thread and diatribe on the relationship between Church and State. That's like me finding out that the response was by someone from Birmingham and launching into a wholesale attack on the mere existence of Birmingham. So, as I said - believe or don't believe - just stop being cunts about it. | |||
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"observers of Ramadan are only obliged to fast between sunrise & sunset. Solutions simple, go to bed early, get up early and have a good meal before going to school" Quite tough in June when sunrise can be before 5am and sunset after 9.30! Don't see the big issue, all kids deserve a chance. | |||
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"observers of Ramadan are only obliged to fast between sunrise & sunset. Solutions simple, go to bed early, get up early and have a good meal before going to school Quite tough in June when sunrise can be before 5am and sunset after 9.30! Don't see the big issue, all kids deserve a chance." But the exams must be in the morning. So they are peckish after the exam but cannot eat till 9:30 pm. How would that affect their performance in an exam starting at 9 am? | |||
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"observers of Ramadan are only obliged to fast between sunrise & sunset. Solutions simple, go to bed early, get up early and have a good meal before going to school Quite tough in June when sunrise can be before 5am and sunset after 9.30! Don't see the big issue, all kids deserve a chance. But the exams must be in the morning. So they are peckish after the exam but cannot eat till 9:30 pm. How would that affect their performance in an exam starting at 9 am?" I think one of the proposals was to look at putting the more mainstream exams that most students will be sitting (maths, English) in the morning for this exact reason | |||
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"observers of Ramadan are only obliged to fast between sunrise & sunset. Solutions simple, go to bed early, get up early and have a good meal before going to school Quite tough in June when sunrise can be before 5am and sunset after 9.30! Don't see the big issue, all kids deserve a chance. But the exams must be in the morning. So they are peckish after the exam but cannot eat till 9:30 pm. How would that affect their performance in an exam starting at 9 am?" They could just eat, being exempt from fadting an all. | |||
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"observers of Ramadan are only obliged to fast between sunrise & sunset. Solutions simple, go to bed early, get up early and have a good meal before going to school Quite tough in June when sunrise can be before 5am and sunset after 9.30! Don't see the big issue, all kids deserve a chance. But the exams must be in the morning. So they are peckish after the exam but cannot eat till 9:30 pm. How would that affect their performance in an exam starting at 9 am? I think one of the proposals was to look at putting the more mainstream exams that most students will be sitting (maths, English) in the morning for this exact reason "Yep, exams are mornings and afternoons for a relatively short period. Scheduling the main subjects earlier in the timetable and in the mornings makes sense. | |||
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"Yet we cant get it moved for those of us who have to sit there wanting to claw our eyes out with hayfever... Guess we just need to start worshiping the great god of pollen and blow a few tube trains up. Should get it handed on a platter then" I think a co-ordinated hayfever lobbying group would be more effective tbh. | |||
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"Invented by rich people to keep poor people happy with fuck all And the problems it's causing around the world now?? Ban it all What is the correlation between money and religion? Did you attend church to come to this conclusion.. very few poor religions out there. Churches and religious bodies need to manage their funds in the most efficient manner possible . I do not see many religious organisations displaying signs of affluence . In addition to the moral values which the churches maintain , we should be extremely grateful to the churches members for both maintaining them and the many historical buildings associated with them. Religions rely on voluntary donations and public goodwill. The church is one of the biggest landowners in the UK - most of the land that was given to the church by william the conqueror still remains in the hands of the church - If I recall correctly, its about 1/5th of the UK. . One would exoect the church to be a large land owner .. People need places to workship and the running costs of these churches are paid by members donations and legacies. . Lol the land they own isnt simple churches its vast amounts of incredibly valuable real estate worth over 2 billion pounds. And about 7 billion total assets. . Yes . Church members expect their organisation to manage their resources in the most efficient manner possible . The Anglican Church has an excellent investment record from which other organisations could learn. Anglician " No other investment organisation has the advantage of owning vast swaths of land for free that now host major comercial farms etc. Although there are calls from ethical christans for the church to release large potions of the land they hold and do mothing woth to build affordable housing for people on. But instead they decided to spend hundreds of millions increasing the number of clergy by50% | |||
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"observers of Ramadan are only obliged to fast between sunrise & sunset. Solutions simple, go to bed early, get up early and have a good meal before going to school Quite tough in June when sunrise can be before 5am and sunset after 9.30! Don't see the big issue, all kids deserve a chance. But the exams must be in the morning. So they are peckish after the exam but cannot eat till 9:30 pm. How would that affect their performance in an exam starting at 9 am? They could just eat, being exempt from fadting an all." many young Muslim men believe that at 15/16 they are no longer children and fast. It is a bit of a grey area though. | |||
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"Yet we cant get it moved for those of us who have to sit there wanting to claw our eyes out with hayfever... Guess we just need to start worshiping the great god of pollen and blow a few tube trains up. Should get it handed on a platter then I think a co-ordinated hayfever lobbying group would be more effective tbh. " It hasn't been for the last few decades... You gotta admit since they started blowing stuff up on the regular Muslims have gotten more slack than any other social group. | |||
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"Yet we cant get it moved for those of us who have to sit there wanting to claw our eyes out with hayfever... Guess we just need to start worshiping the great god of pollen and blow a few tube trains up. Should get it handed on a platter then I think a co-ordinated hayfever lobbying group would be more effective tbh. It hasn't been for the last few decades... You gotta admit since they started blowing stuff up on the regular Muslims have gotten more slack than any other social group. " There is no co-ordinated hayfever lobbying group though, that's the point. So a bunch of disparate individuals (of who I am one) whingeing about it has had no effect over the past however many decades. There isn't a "hayfever vote" in the way there can be a Muslim vote, so politicians would not care. And of course it's more difficult to shunt the exams into an entirely different season altogether rather than just shuffling them around within the same overall exam window, which is what this proposal actually is. I really don't think it's anything more sinister than that. | |||
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" Whatever agenda they promote, it is to the people attending the Churches. And it is these people who fund the Church and whatever wealth it may have amassed I could understand some of the comments were they going around forcing conversions. But they don't do they The schools they have influence over are funded by them. Parents flock to get their children into a Catholic school. They do have a choice; they can enroll their children in a State school if they disagree with the teachings I can't really see why now a very small number of people who follow their religion quietly stir up such strong emotions almost resembling hate from the majority" No, the agenda they promote is to far more people than those who attend the church - they control lots of schools, for example. Most ststre schools are religous and even schools not affiliated to a church must have a "broadly christian" assembly once a week - so they are still after the minds of our children. You honestly think that the church amasses most of its assets from donations? The church in england amassed most of its land in 1066, for example. Religious people do force conversations, its called Evangelising. They also force conversations in non-religious households up and down the country when children come home after religious assemblies and we have to explain to them that not all people believe that stuff. | |||
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" Whatever agenda they promote, it is to the people attending the Churches. And it is these people who fund the Church and whatever wealth it may have amassed I could understand some of the comments were they going around forcing conversions. But they don't do they The schools they have influence over are funded by them. Parents flock to get their children into a Catholic school. They do have a choice; they can enroll their children in a State school if they disagree with the teachings I can't really see why now a very small number of people who follow their religion quietly stir up such strong emotions almost resembling hate from the majority No, the agenda they promote is to far more people than those who attend the church - they control lots of schools, for example. Most ststre schools are religous and even schools not affiliated to a church must have a "broadly christian" assembly once a week - so they are still after the minds of our children. You honestly think that the church amasses most of its assets from donations? The church in england amassed most of its land in 1066, for example. Religious people do force conversations, its called Evangelising. They also force conversations in non-religious households up and down the country when children come home after religious assemblies and we have to explain to them that not all people believe that stuff. " Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. | |||
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"observers of Ramadan are only obliged to fast between sunrise & sunset. Solutions simple, go to bed early, get up early and have a good meal before going to school Quite tough in June when sunrise can be before 5am and sunset after 9.30! Don't see the big issue, all kids deserve a chance. But the exams must be in the morning. So they are peckish after the exam but cannot eat till 9:30 pm. How would that affect their performance in an exam starting at 9 am? I think one of the proposals was to look at putting the more mainstream exams that most students will be sitting (maths, English) in the morning for this exact reason "And Art in the afternoon so that the hunger hallucinations help the creative juices | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. " Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. | |||
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" Whatever agenda they promote, it is to the people attending the Churches. And it is these people who fund the Church and whatever wealth it may have amassed I could understand some of the comments were they going around forcing conversions. But they don't do they The schools they have influence over are funded by them. Parents flock to get their children into a Catholic school. They do have a choice; they can enroll their children in a State school if they disagree with the teachings I can't really see why now a very small number of people who follow their religion quietly stir up such strong emotions almost resembling hate from the majority No, the agenda they promote is to far more people than those who attend the church - they control lots of schools, for example. Most ststre schools are religous and even schools not affiliated to a church must have a "broadly christian" assembly once a week - so they are still after the minds of our children. You honestly think that the church amasses most of its assets from donations? The church in england amassed most of its land in 1066, for example. Religious people do force conversations, its called Evangelising. They also force conversations in non-religious households up and down the country when children come home after religious assemblies and we have to explain to them that not all people believe that stuff. Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. " All schools are required to have christan assemblies. Now given we sendnchildren to school to learn things that are considered the truth and they belive what they are told there. Telling that Christianity is the right religion and teaching it there kinda sends a mixed message | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. " Maybe in the countryside they are all "affiliated" to a faith school, but not in other places. Faith schools are in the minority and non-religious schools are just that. Yes they have to have an assembly but the Christian content in every non-faith school I've ever experienced is slim to none. The point still stands, if you don't like the Christian "brainwashing" you think she is experiencing, use the occasions when she's talking about Jesus to explain your point of view to her. And no, I don't have any children - I forgot the first law of the forums that you're rendered incapable of a view on any topic whatsoever by not being a parent.  | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. Maybe in the countryside they are all "affiliated" to a faith school, but not in other places. Faith schools are in the minority and non-religious schools are just that. Yes they have to have an assembly but the Christian content in every non-faith school I've ever experienced is slim to none. The point still stands, if you don't like the Christian "brainwashing" you think she is experiencing, use the occasions when she's talking about Jesus to explain your point of view to her. And no, I don't have any children - I forgot the first law of the forums that you're rendered incapable of a view on any topic whatsoever by not being a parent. "No, its in all places, and like I said, and has been pointed out in the response above, they must all have a christian assembly once a week. The reason that I mentioned that I was a parent, is because it means that I will have researched schools. Also, I have two teachers (one a head) in my immediate family. Neither of them live in the sticks. I think you are confusing "faith" schools (those funded entirely by a religious group), which are new and in the minority with state schools, the majority of which are afilliated with a particular religious organisation. | |||
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"There was, as it goes, a non-faith school which I could have sent my daughter to, was about 5 miles away. When it came down to it, I sent her to a C of E school. The C of E school has one religious assembly a week, whereby the vicar comes to school. The non-faith school has one (compulsory) religious assembly a week whereby different vicars come to the school... " I'm not confused at all - I have sat through primary school "Christian" assemblies in many non-religious state primary schools and the Christian content was slim to none. What is more confusing is that you appear to have chosen to send your child to a C of E school and you're surprised (or perhaps disappointed) that they're teaching them about Christianity. | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx. I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . Britain only came into existence after the JC lad? interesting take I guess. OK we will exempt all the British citizens born before Jesus who are still alive then. I think its fairly obvious that British society, values etc. have been heavily based upon Christianity. Our head of state (the Queen) is also head of the Church of England. Parts of the clergy sit in the house of Lords. The first word in our national anthem is God. Our major holidays are Christmas and Easter. 1 in 4 primary schools are Church of England schools. You will find a church in nearly every village in the UK and our towns and cities are full of them. Many people chose to get married in churches, get Christened in them, and get burried just outside. When people sneeze people will bless them, and when people swear many will mention god or Jesus. Many people pray, some of them regularly, others when a loved one is sick or when they want to win the lottery. Many people support charities with a Christian ethos, from local food banks to international organisations. Street pastors walk many a high street in the UK and nearly every hospital has chaplains, as do our armed forces, police and fire services. So when you stop and think about it, Christianity is woven all throughout our society. " Why? It's really not needed - referring to or asking for help from a non existent figment of (some) man's inginuety to control "the masses" GOD created all See you dowm at the church for animals on Sunday Crock of crap I'll post a true story in a moment.... | |||
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Did the Church take her last two pennies Mr Linton?
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"There was, as it goes, a non-faith school which I could have sent my daughter to, was about 5 miles away. When it came down to it, I sent her to a C of E school. The C of E school has one religious assembly a week, whereby the vicar comes to school. The non-faith school has one (compulsory) religious assembly a week whereby different vicars come to the school... I'm not confused at all - I have sat through primary school "Christian" assemblies in many non-religious state primary schools and the Christian content was slim to none. What is more confusing is that you appear to have chosen to send your child to a C of E school and you're surprised (or perhaps disappointed) that they're teaching them about Christianity. " No, I'm disappointed that the 'non-faith' alternative was exactly the same, therefore it was pointless to take her the extra distance and so she went to her nearest school. | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx. I cannot see any possible justification to adjust dates because of one groups beliefs . May be this group should change their beliefs to fit in with what is generally accepted in British society . It is not up to Britain to change the exam times to fit in with a small minority . In any event , Britain is a Christian country . Britain only came into existence after the JC lad? interesting take I guess. OK we will exempt all the British citizens born before Jesus who are still alive then. I think its fairly obvious that British society, values etc. have been heavily based upon Christianity. Our head of state (the Queen) is also head of the Church of England. Parts of the clergy sit in the house of Lords. The first word in our national anthem is God. Our major holidays are Christmas and Easter. 1 in 4 primary schools are Church of England schools. You will find a church in nearly every village in the UK and our towns and cities are full of them. Many people chose to get married in churches, get Christened in them, and get burried just outside. When people sneeze people will bless them, and when people swear many will mention god or Jesus. Many people pray, some of them regularly, others when a loved one is sick or when they want to win the lottery. Many people support charities with a Christian ethos, from local food banks to international organisations. Street pastors walk many a high street in the UK and nearly every hospital has chaplains, as do our armed forces, police and fire services. So when you stop and think about it, Christianity is woven all throughout our society. Why? It's really not needed - referring to or asking for help from a non existent figment of (some) man's inginuety to control "the masses" GOD created all See you dowm at the church for animals on Sunday Crock of crap I'll post a true story in a moment.... " Care to answer my question on the crusades now? | |||
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"Care to answer my question on the crusades now?." (Technically I probably could, but to be honest, the crusades aren't generally considered Christianity's apogee, so they're best glossed over) Mr ddc | |||
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"Care to answer my question on the crusades now?. (Technically I probably could, but to be honest, the crusades aren't generally considered Christianity's apogee, so they're best glossed over) Mr ddc" If you've understand the question properly you'd understand it's a trick question. If there's no separation of Church and State then it's impossible to seperate something as an entirely religious as opposed to political matter, by definition. | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. " . As the UK is a Christian country , I would be very disappointed if children were not taught about Christianity and the importance of it.. | |||
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" I'm not sure why this needed to turn into a general anti-Christian rant. Remember how non-religious people used to complain about religious people forcing their beliefs on them? - other way around now... Yup. Believe, don't believe, whatever. Just stop being cunts about it. It's not really that simple is it? Churches are organisations that seek to promote a moral agenda - as has been mentioned, the have their influence in schools, governments, they own vast swathes of land. Until they cease to do that, people will continue to have issues with them. " . The Churches are only one of a number of organisations that have influence in schools and government.. As they have a significant number of members , one would expect them to organise themselves in such a way to have influence . Again there is nothing wrong with the church owning vast swathes of land ..As there are a large number of members , this is only to be expected and in addition the infrastructure and buildings are required in order to provide the type of service which members of the congregation expect . | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. . As the UK is a Christian country , I would be very disappointed if children were not taught about Christianity and the importance of it.. " Religion has no importance in a child's education, other than to indoctrinate them. Parents who rely only on the 'church' to give their children the guidelines and boundaries by which to live as decent people have failed in their own responsibility. | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. . As the UK is a Christian country , I would be very disappointed if children were not taught about Christianity and the importance of it.. Religion has no importance in a child's education, other than to indoctrinate them. Parents who rely only on the 'church' to give their children the guidelines and boundaries by which to live as decent people have failed in their own responsibility." Indeed. But those who bring their children up properly, setting guidelines and boundaries *and* with a faith too have not failed. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. Those of any faith or none who bring their children up to isolate, sneer, patronise and criticise others for holding different views are the ones who probably ought to take a look at themselves. | |||
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"What about the plight of muslims living in the arctic? If they observe ramamadingdong, they will die from dehydration as they can't eat or drink for the whole month due to the constant daylight. If they break their fast they will be deemed apostate, and liable for execution. Surely we should adjust the tilt of the Earth to accommodate them?" LOL | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. . As the UK is a Christian country , I would be very disappointed if children were not taught about Christianity and the importance of it.. Religion has no importance in a child's education, other than to indoctrinate them. Parents who rely only on the 'church' to give their children the guidelines and boundaries by which to live as decent people have failed in their own responsibility." . Or maybe acting as responsible parents and giving their children a good start in life . Britain remains a Christian country and hopefully will do for a very long time . Some parents even pretend to be religious in order to get their children into Church schools . This would tend to suggest that Church schools are better than non Church ones . | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. . As the UK is a Christian country , I would be very disappointed if children were not taught about Christianity and the importance of it.. Religion has no importance in a child's education, other than to indoctrinate them. Parents who rely only on the 'church' to give their children the guidelines and boundaries by which to live as decent people have failed in their own responsibility. Indeed. But those who bring their children up properly, setting guidelines and boundaries *and* with a faith too have not failed. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. Those of any faith or none who bring their children up to isolate, sneer, patronise and criticise others for holding different views are the ones who probably ought to take a look at themselves. " Any organisation should be big enough (especially ones that claim to have been around for several thousand years) to be open to scrutiny and able to accept justified criticism. And for some of its followers to actually exhibit some of the values and morals it claims are so important for our society would possibly be what one would expect, sadly not the case. | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. . As the UK is a Christian country , I would be very disappointed if children were not taught about Christianity and the importance of it.. Religion has no importance in a child's education, other than to indoctrinate them. Parents who rely only on the 'church' to give their children the guidelines and boundaries by which to live as decent people have failed in their own responsibility. Indeed. But those who bring their children up properly, setting guidelines and boundaries *and* with a faith too have not failed. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. Those of any faith or none who bring their children up to isolate, sneer, patronise and criticise others for holding different views are the ones who probably ought to take a look at themselves. Any organisation should be big enough (especially ones that claim to have been around for several thousand years) to be open to scrutiny and able to accept justified criticism. And for some of its followers to actually exhibit some of the values and morals it claims are so important for our society would possibly be what one would expect, sadly not the case." You don't believe any Christians exhibit Christian values or morals? Any of them? | |||
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" Any organisation should be big enough (especially ones that claim to have been around for several thousand years) to be open to scrutiny and able to accept justified criticism. And for some of its followers to actually exhibit some of the values and morals it claims are so important for our society would possibly be what one would expect, sadly not the case." If you think that's bad then take a good look at the official atheist states that did go and ban religion! | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. . As the UK is a Christian country , I would be very disappointed if children were not taught about Christianity and the importance of it.. Religion has no importance in a child's education, other than to indoctrinate them. Parents who rely only on the 'church' to give their children the guidelines and boundaries by which to live as decent people have failed in their own responsibility.. Or maybe acting as responsible parents and giving their children a good start in life . Britain remains a Christian country and hopefully will do for a very long time . Some parents even pretend to be religious in order to get their children into Church schools . This would tend to suggest that Church schools are better than non Church ones ." Teaching children it's ok to lie about the faith they follow is hardly responsible parenting.. | |||
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. . As the UK is a Christian country , I would be very disappointed if children were not taught about Christianity and the importance of it.. Religion has no importance in a child's education, other than to indoctrinate them. Parents who rely only on the 'church' to give their children the guidelines and boundaries by which to live as decent people have failed in their own responsibility.. Or maybe acting as responsible parents and giving their children a good start in life . Britain remains a Christian country and hopefully will do for a very long time . Some parents even pretend to be religious in order to get their children into Church schools . This would tend to suggest that Church schools are better than non Church ones ." Teaching children it's ok to lie about the faith they follow is hardly responsible parenting.. | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx" maybe we should take the lead from predominantly Muslim countries,and how they change their education timetable,to accommodate Christian beliefs,and practices. | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx maybe we should take the lead from predominantly Muslim countries,and how they change their education timetable,to accommodate Christian beliefs,and practices. "Because two wrongs would make a right? | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx maybe we should take the lead from predominantly Muslim countries,and how they change their education timetable,to accommodate Christian beliefs,and practices.
Because two wrongs would make a right? "Why's it wrong? If you chose to live in another persons country respect their culture and exam timetable If I. I've to Saudi I'd respect their laws, cultures etc Problem is when they come here we bend over backwards for them London is the next cologne - locals to afraid to live due to unwanted guests not respecting our culture,respect for women and laws Exams are the thin end of the wedge of us losing our culture, society, Britishness. | |||
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" Mr ddc If you've understand the question properly you'd understand it's a trick question. If there's no separation of Church and State then it's impossible to seperate something as an entirely religious as opposed to political matter, by definition." Blimey, an opportunity to actually use the word 'disestablishmentarianism'
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" Having a discussion with your children about what some people choose to believe? About the fact some believe in Jesus, some believe in Allah, some believe in no god at all? Yeah that sounds appalling, how awkward. Sounds to me like a good way to contextualise some of what they'll physically see around them "what's that thing over there with the funny top" "that's a mosque, darling" or "why does that man wear a turban"; and what they'll see on TV. Conversations about religion and the fact some people have beliefs which others don't have are useful and healthy and should be encouraged. And they're not the same as evangelising or brainwashing, unless you choose to make them such. Not all religious people are evangelising. And most state schools are not faith schools. Incorrect - have you got children of school age? Most schools are aligned to a church, its why you will see *insert name of school* C of E affiliated etc after the name of the place. And even those who ARENT aligned to a particular faith MUST have a broadly christian religious assembly once a week. I know this, I had tried to put my daughter in a school with no religious bias. So, its not like she has leaned objectively in RE "what people believe", which I am happy to discuss, it is, already at 7 from being in normal, state C of E school, some of the teachings of the bible as gospel.I have listened to my daughter and her friends talking about Jesus etc. The way they are taught christianity is utterly different to the way that they have learned about other religions. . As the UK is a Christian country , I would be very disappointed if children were not taught about Christianity and the importance of it.. Religion has no importance in a child's education, other than to indoctrinate them. Parents who rely only on the 'church' to give their children the guidelines and boundaries by which to live as decent people have failed in their own responsibility. Indeed. But those who bring their children up properly, setting guidelines and boundaries *and* with a faith too have not failed. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. Those of any faith or none who bring their children up to isolate, sneer, patronise and criticise others for holding different views are the ones who probably ought to take a look at themselves. Any organisation should be big enough (especially ones that claim to have been around for several thousand years) to be open to scrutiny and able to accept justified criticism. And for some of its followers to actually exhibit some of the values and morals it claims are so important for our society would possibly be what one would expect, sadly not the case. You don't believe any Christians exhibit Christian values or morals? Any of them?" I clearly said some Ruby, there are some on here who literally preach how they are of the Christian faith and how good it is and on many of the issues that one would expect a good christian to be in favour of they show anything but that.. | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx maybe we should take the lead from predominantly Muslim countries,and how they change their education timetable,to accommodate Christian beliefs,and practices.
Because two wrongs would make a right?
Why's it wrong? If you chose to live in another persons country respect their culture and exam timetable
If I. I've to Saudi I'd respect their laws, cultures etc
Problem is when they come here we bend over backwards for them
London is the next cologne - locals to afraid to live due to unwanted guests not respecting our culture,respect for women and laws
Exams are the thin end of the wedge of us losing our culture, society, Britishness. "I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I'm just saying that the fact another country has lower standards of something isn't a reason for us not to have higher standards! | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx maybe we should take the lead from predominantly Muslim countries,and how they change their education timetable,to accommodate Christian beliefs,and practices.
Because two wrongs would make a right?
Why's it wrong? If you chose to live in another persons country respect their culture and exam timetable
If I. I've to Saudi I'd respect their laws, cultures etc
Problem is when they come here we bend over backwards for them
London is the next cologne - locals to afraid to live due to unwanted guests not respecting our culture,respect for women and laws
Exams are the thin end of the wedge of us losing our culture, society, Britishness.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I'm just saying that the fact another country has lower standards of something isn't a reason for us not to have higher standards! "What sort of standards? Being walked over by non natives? | |||
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"Front page in the hate today was am article hilighting a specific caring christian groups view that adjusting the school exam date to accommodate those respecting the Ramadan fast is unacceptable I have no malice toward any religion and respect any persons desire to abstain from eating. I feel it perfectly humane that the UK would be considerate to any group especially at such a crucial time of a child's life I feel the vocal xtian sect and the mail are utter hypocrites with their closed rigidity on the matter xxx maybe we should take the lead from predominantly Muslim countries,and how they change their education timetable,to accommodate Christian beliefs,and practices.
Because two wrongs would make a right? "Maybe it's not two wrongs, maybe it's two rights. Respect the country you live in. | |||
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" Mr ddc If you've understand the question properly you'd understand it's a trick question. If there's no separation of Church and State then it's impossible to seperate something as an entirely religious as opposed to political matter, by definition. Blimey, an opportunity to actually use the word 'disestablishmentarianism'
On purely ecumenical matters, I tend to defer to:
https://youtu.be/ptd_h0dF7NE "Sorry I'm not debating with you tube here. And the side you are on is like trying to blame a murder on the right hand of the accessed whilst arguing the left hand should go free. | |||
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"What about the plight of muslims living in the arctic? If they observe ramamadingdong, they will die from dehydration as they can't eat or drink for the whole month due to the constant daylight. If they break their fast they will be deemed apostate, and liable for execution. Surely we should adjust the tilt of the Earth to accommodate them?" Google is your friend if you really want to know the answer | |||
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" In any event , Britain is a Christian country . " As evident from the empty churches and lack of practice | |||
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" And for some of its followers to actually exhibit some of the values and morals it claims are so important for our society would possibly be what one would expect, sadly not the case. You don't believe any Christians exhibit Christian values or morals? Any of them? I clearly said some Ruby, there are some on here who literally preach how they are of the Christian faith and how good it is and on many of the issues that one would expect a good christian to be in favour of they show anything but that.." The sentence reads as though there are not even "some" practising what they preach. But that aside, there are others who preach their open-mindedness, until they're not. Or their socialist beliefs, until they're not. Or how funny they are, until they're not. Or how caring or what wonderful parents, until they're not. Positive and negative character traits are not exclusive to religious people. People who identify as Christians can be racists, criminals, sexists, as can agnostics and atheists and everything and everyone else. If it's all bollocks, as you believe, I'm not sure why you'd hold Christians to higher standards than the rest of the population. | |||
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" Mr ddc If you've understand the question properly you'd understand it's a trick question. If there's no separation of Church and State then it's impossible to seperate something as an entirely religious as opposed to political matter, by definition. Blimey, an opportunity to actually use the word 'disestablishmentarianism'
On purely ecumenical matters, I tend to defer to:
https://youtu.be/ptd_h0dF7NE
Sorry I'm not debating with you tube here. And the side you are on is like trying to blame a murder on the right hand of the accessed whilst arguing the left hand should go free. "There's no debating with Father Jack anyway. | |||
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" Religion has no importance in a child's education, other than to indoctrinate them. Parents who rely only on the 'church' to give their children the guidelines and boundaries by which to live as decent people have failed in their own responsibility." I think there is a place for RE in education, depends on how it's taught obviously . So far it's helped teach my son how to challenge ideals and debate his beliefs. Has given him a better understating of the way religion impacts on the word today too. Parents who rely on any one source are always going to face an uphill battle in the long term. | |||
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" And for some of its followers to actually exhibit some of the values and morals it claims are so important for our society would possibly be what one would expect, sadly not the case. You don't believe any Christians exhibit Christian values or morals? Any of them? I clearly said some Ruby, there are some on here who literally preach how they are of the Christian faith and how good it is and on many of the issues that one would expect a good christian to be in favour of they show anything but that.. The sentence reads as though there are not even "some" practising what they preach. But that aside, there are others who preach their open-mindedness, until they're not. Or their socialist beliefs, until they're not. Or how funny they are, until they're not. Or how caring or what wonderful parents, until they're not. Positive and negative character traits are not exclusive to religious people. People who identify as Christians can be racists, criminals, sexists, as can agnostics and atheists and everything and everyone else. If it's all bollocks, as you believe, I'm not sure why you'd hold Christians to higher standards than the rest of the population. " I don't I just wish they would stop the hypocrisy of saying one thing and yes patently failing to go even close by some of their less than christian views on asylum seekers, refugees, even the disabled as I recall. I've never said it's bollocks and I have respect for those of faith as with those of no faith who just live their lives as good people and don't preach that their belief system is above all others or should be how we live our lives now. | |||
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" And the side you are on is like trying to blame a murder on the right hand of the accessed whilst arguing the left hand should go free. " I'm not on a side. I can see both the good and the bad that has been done over the centuries in the name of religion. And often the hypocrisy of religious leaders as well as the moral guidance. Many people find their religion a great strength and a positive influence in their lives, and who am I to take that away from anyone. But I do tend to get involved when either side talks guff (I often seem to argue both sides because of this). Some people have tried to write this argument as Islam vs Christianity, or Britishness vs foreigners, whereas it was never either... Sorry if I've taken so long typing that we've run out of space | |||
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