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"the countries in the West without the death penalty YES the others, NO, they would look like hypocritical fools...." I would not directly argue that point , however to be fair Americas death penalty is at least based upon being found guilty of a serious murder s Saudi Arabia killed because the person was a different tribe ? | |||
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"Very differently... https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/saudi-arabia/local-laws-and-customs" Yeah, don't fuck up over there: "The Saudi legal system differs in many ways from the UK. Suspects can be held without charge and are not always allowed quick access to legal representation. The Saudi authorities have detained witnesses and victims of crimes. If you need consular assistance, British Embassy staff will try to visit you as soon as they are aware of the case, but in some instances Embassy staff have not been permitted to do so immediately or have had access limited. Anyone involved in a commercial dispute with a Saudi company or individual may be prevented from leaving the country pending resolution of the dispute. Government bodies often retain passports for official purposes; sponsors also sometimes retain passports, although this is illegal." | |||
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"Should the west condemn this bronze age ,vile human rights abusing nation ? Just as we would Zimbabwe or Burma ? Or do some still feel their country their rules ?" King Salman visited the US a few months ago, rented the ENTIRE four seasons hotel, and had it bedecked with red carpets and golden furniture. Words cannot express my disgust, in a world where millions are starving. | |||
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/saudi-arabia-2015-beheadings-20-years-151110052520862.html | |||
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"Should the west condemn this bronze age ,vile human rights abusing nation ? Just as we would Zimbabwe or Burma ? Or do some still feel their country their rules ?" When the oil runs out and they can't afford to buy our weapons systems. Until then, meh. Surely we should be condemning the USA who kidnapped and tortured britiah citizens for years first? | |||
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" Or would we have finally sorted our shit out and started producing our own energy?" With help from the Chinese | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well....." Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia | |||
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"Should the west condemn this bronze age ,vile human rights abusing nation ? Just as we would Zimbabwe or Burma ? Or do some still feel their country their rules ?" Wha does Saudi have to do with Rhodesia? | |||
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" Or would we have finally sorted our shit out and started producing our own energy? With help from the Chinese " Yeah, their clean energy record is indisputable... oh, wait. We're an island surrounded by some of the most tidal seas in the world. We have high winds and some sun. Surely we could at least start the move away from oil. I know why we don't, I just wish we did. | |||
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" Or would we have finally sorted our shit out and started producing our own energy? With help from the Chinese Yeah, their clean energy record is indisputable... oh, wait. We're an island surrounded by some of the most tidal seas in the world. We have high winds and some sun. Surely we could at least start the move away from oil. I know why we don't, I just wish we did." People have this weird issue about destroying habitats of random pointless birds in order to make massive tidal power projects | |||
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"I wonder how different our attitudes towards them will be different in a couple of hundred years, once oil has been used up and alternative fuels are in the ascendance? Not sure which country would be in the ascendance by then though. Would we be grovelling to Canada? Or Norway? Or would we have finally sorted our shit out and started producing our own energy?" . I don't know about a couple of hundred years!. They've been told by their own engineers and geologists that they shouldn't pump more than 15 million barrels a day.. But there hell bent on it! | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well....." Which is why I nearly fell off my seat last night when someone appeared to suggest SA should take over as the main stabilising force in the Middle East... 
(Though, to be fair, if the Republicans get back in....)
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Which is why I nearly fell off my seat last night when someone appeared to suggest SA should take over as the main stabilising force in the Middle East...
(Though, to be fair, if the Republicans get back in....)
Mr ddc"Yes, that was breathtaking | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia" Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference " This isn't a university paper. And the assertion stands, unless you want to go 3 rounds in the forum? | |||
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"Should the west condemn this bronze age ,vile human rights abusing nation ? Just as we would Zimbabwe or Burma ? Or do some still feel their country their rules ?" . It's their country their rules. Whatever normal for one might not be for others. If the people in that particular country don't like it, they can always migrate. UK and the Europe will be gladly to accept them. | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Which is why I nearly fell off my seat last night when someone appeared to suggest SA should take over as the main stabilising force in the Middle East...
(Though, to be fair, if the Republicans get back in....)
Mr ddc"That isnt a strictly contradictory point. Stabilising for who exactly? The uk and the usa have both extensively trained,funded and equipped "terrorist" forces for decades. A dictator for instance may not be ideal but can be stabilising. | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference This isn't a university paper. And the assertion stands, unless you want to go 3 rounds in the forum? "No - but you act like your the default gold standard on all topics - so hold yourself to a higher standard My time is too important to argue with you over the validity of Wikipedia - let alone the underlying point | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference This isn't a university paper. And the assertion stands, unless you want to go 3 rounds in the forum?
No - but you act like your the default gold standard on all topics - so hold yourself to a higher standard
My time is too important to argue with you over the validity of Wikipedia - let alone the underlying point "So that's a no then? | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference " Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted | |||
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"Not when Trade, Arms and maintenance contracts come into it. Not to mention Sandhurst and Eton educating the House of Saud. Perhaps when Burma buys some shiny Euro fighters we will leave them alone too. " 47 extremists - who cares - that many people die each minute globally from other issues - lets debate them as well I could care less what Saudi do - as long as they buy our Jets and send us Oil and keep their extremist in check | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted " Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources " 
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"[Removed by poster at 03/01/16 13:08:41]" Oh, why did you take that bon mot down?  | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?"Classic sign of someone who has lost Turns the conversation away to something immature What next - name calling and mum jokes? | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?
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What next - name calling and mum jokes?"Yo mamma's soooo fat that when Dracula bit her, he got diabetes | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?
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Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?"And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote? | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources " I have yes but i mostly read technical pages which are referencing text books and accedemic papers, althought theae days my athens login is expired. You csn reference anything yes, and your change will be picked up in the talk sections of the page (you should read them they are interesting) and if it is out of context it will usualy be removed in a few hours. Especially on pages where you see the padlock which means any edit or change needs to be checked and aproved first before it csn be added (You'll notice SA and pretty much any contentious topic has this). | |||
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"I wonder how different our attitudes towards them will be different in a couple of hundred years, once oil has been used up and alternative fuels are in the ascendance? Not sure which country would be in the ascendance by then though. Would we be grovelling to Canada? Or Norway? Or would we have finally sorted our shit out and started producing our own energy?. I don't know about a couple of hundred years!. They've been told by their own engineers and geologists that they shouldn't pump more than 15 million barrels a day.. But there hell bent on it!" Because the current low oil prices are destroying Russia's economy, reducing ISIS income and preventing the USA from exploiting shale as it is now totally uneconomical....they win on all fronts! (As in they cause total chaos!) | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources I have yes but i mostly read technical pages which are referencing text books and accedemic papers, althought theae days my athens login is expired. You csn reference anything yes, and your change will be picked up in the talk sections of the page (you should read them they are interesting) and if it is out of context it will usualy be removed in a few hours. Especially on pages where you see the padlock which means any edit or change needs to be checked and aproved first before it csn be added (You'll notice SA and pretty much any contentious topic has this). " Approved by whom! A subject matter expert or some arm chair geek with Google? | |||
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"Approved by whom! A subject matter expert or some arm chair geek with Google?" Deffo need a wank | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?
Classic sign of someone who has lost
Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?
And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote?
"I'm not a middle eastern expert and neither are you - let's leave the discussion to the experts - I was measly pointing out using Wikipedia is not a golden bullet due to the flaws on the site | |||
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"Approved by whom! A subject matter expert or some arm chair geek with Google? Deffo need a wank" Again - can't win the argument so tries to score points with childish statements - well done - your a smart as a 12 year old in the playground | |||
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"Anybody that assumes the western philosophy of crime and punishment will work in Saudi Arabia are quite frankly deluded. They have a completely different religious cultural and philosophical outlook!" You are aware they have just executed a man because he was campaigning for a fairer treatment of his tribe ? | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?
Classic sign of someone who has lost
Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?
And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote?
I'm not a middle eastern expert and neither are you - let's leave the discussion to the experts - I was measly pointing out using Wikipedia is not a golden bullet due to the flaws on the site "I'm not a Middle East expert? My BA was in War Studies in History, with a bent on Middle Eastern politics since 1945. I guess I'm just stupid and ignorant. | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference " That's quite funny- imagine the things lecturers have to put up with nowadays. Like plagiarism - must be so easy now . But a source is a source , so if you drill down the wiki article and follow the ref quoted - you can then quote original source. Which is what you generally do at undergrad. Only postgrad do you really put forward your own proofs/ideas | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources I have yes but i mostly read technical pages which are referencing text books and accedemic papers, althought theae days my athens login is expired. You csn reference anything yes, and your change will be picked up in the talk sections of the page (you should read them they are interesting) and if it is out of context it will usualy be removed in a few hours. Especially on pages where you see the padlock which means any edit or change needs to be checked and aproved first before it csn be added (You'll notice SA and pretty much any contentious topic has this). Approved by whom! A subject matter expert or some arm chair geek with Google?" Who is a "subject matter expert" be ause you'll find appeal to authority is not an accepted back up to an argument. Aproved by a pannel of people based on your point being non biased, correctly written, correctly cited and the sources being correct and relavent. If you can name me a "subject expert" on saudi arabia id be interested to hear who they are plus how you prive thier lack of bias (for instance the head of the tourist board id imagine would be very well informed but unreliable) | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference That's quite funny- imagine the things lecturers have to put up with nowadays. Like plagiarism - must be so easy now . But a source is a source , so if you drill down the wiki article and follow the ref quoted - you can then quote original source. Which is what you generally do at undergrad. Only postgrad do you really put forward your own proofs/ideas " All submitted work is checked electronically and will flag up plagerism very easily. So easily in fact many students have fallen foul of using thier own previous work (which is added to the database) from other years without referencing it. Yes you can be guilty of plagerising your own work. | |||
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" Mr ddc That isnt a strictly contradictory point. Stabilising for who exactly? The uk and the usa have both extensively trained,funded and equipped "terrorist" forces for decades. A dictator for instance may not be ideal but can be stabilising. " True, but the whole "let's help arm the Sunnis/Shi'ites/Jews till only one of them is left - then there'll be peace" is just soooooo 19th century (And 20th, and 18th, and pretty much every century since Mohammad died ) | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?
Classic sign of someone who has lost
Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?
And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote?
I'm not a middle eastern expert and neither are you - let's leave the discussion to the experts - I was measly pointing out using Wikipedia is not a golden bullet due to the flaws on the site
I'm not a Middle East expert?
My BA was in War Studies in History, with a bent on Middle Eastern politics since 1945.
I guess I'm just stupid and ignorant.
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?
Classic sign of someone who has lost
Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?
And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote?
I'm not a middle eastern expert and neither are you - let's leave the discussion to the experts - I was measly pointing out using Wikipedia is not a golden bullet due to the flaws on the site
I'm not a Middle East expert?
My BA was in War Studies in History, with a bent on Middle Eastern politics since 1945.
I guess I'm just stupid and ignorant.
You just said on another page it was Physcology - make up your mind?"No - I said I studies Psych for 3 years. I said I did my BA in War Studies & History. I completed my MA from one of the top universities on the planet in Ancient History. Take your pick, dude. | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources I have yes but i mostly read technical pages which are referencing text books and accedemic papers, althought theae days my athens login is expired. You csn reference anything yes, and your change will be picked up in the talk sections of the page (you should read them they are interesting) and if it is out of context it will usualy be removed in a few hours. Especially on pages where you see the padlock which means any edit or change needs to be checked and aproved first before it csn be added (You'll notice SA and pretty much any contentious topic has this). Approved by whom! A subject matter expert or some arm chair geek with Google? Who is a "subject matter expert" be ause you'll find appeal to authority is not an accepted back up to an argument. Aproved by a pannel of people based on your point being non biased, correctly written, correctly cited and the sources being correct and relavent. If you can name me a "subject expert" on saudi arabia id be interested to hear who they are plus how you prive thier lack of bias (for instance the head of the tourist board id imagine would be very well informed but unreliable)" Lol - head of tourism - what Micky mouse things are you on about I mean prof of middle eastern studies at Oxford etc That's a SME Not you | |||
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Have a wank, maybe?
Classic sign of someone who has lost
Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?
And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote?
I'm not a middle eastern expert and neither are you - let's leave the discussion to the experts - I was measly pointing out using Wikipedia is not a golden bullet due to the flaws on the site
I'm not a Middle East expert?
My BA was in War Studies in History, with a bent on Middle Eastern politics since 1945.
I guess I'm just stupid and ignorant.
You just said on another page it was Physcology - make up your mind?
No - I said I studies Psych for 3 years.
I said I did my BA in War Studies & History.
I completed my MA from one of the top universities on the planet in Ancient History.
Take your pick, dude.
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Have a wank, maybe?
Classic sign of someone who has lost
Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?
And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote?
I'm not a middle eastern expert and neither are you - let's leave the discussion to the experts - I was measly pointing out using Wikipedia is not a golden bullet due to the flaws on the site
I'm not a Middle East expert?
My BA was in War Studies in History, with a bent on Middle Eastern politics since 1945.
I guess I'm just stupid and ignorant.
You just said on another page it was Physcology - make up your mind?
No - I said I studies Psych for 3 years.
I said I did my BA in War Studies & History.
I completed my MA from one of the top universities on the planet in Ancient History.
Take your pick, dude.
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?
Classic sign of someone who has lost
Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?
And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote?
I'm not a middle eastern expert and neither are you - let's leave the discussion to the experts - I was measly pointing out using Wikipedia is not a golden bullet due to the flaws on the site
I'm not a Middle East expert?
My BA was in War Studies in History, with a bent on Middle Eastern politics since 1945.
I guess I'm just stupid and ignorant.
You just said on another page it was Physcology - make up your mind?
No - I said I studies Psych for 3 years.
I said I did my BA in War Studies & History.
I completed my MA from one of the top universities on the planet in Ancient History.
Take your pick, dude.
Hull Polytechnic?
King's, as it goes.
Where did you study?
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York - ranked 6th in the UK when is studied there "Media studies?  | |||
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York - ranked 6th in the UK when is studied there
Media studies?
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources I have yes but i mostly read technical pages which are referencing text books and accedemic papers, althought theae days my athens login is expired. You csn reference anything yes, and your change will be picked up in the talk sections of the page (you should read them they are interesting) and if it is out of context it will usualy be removed in a few hours. Especially on pages where you see the padlock which means any edit or change needs to be checked and aproved first before it csn be added (You'll notice SA and pretty much any contentious topic has this). Approved by whom! A subject matter expert or some arm chair geek with Google? Who is a "subject matter expert" be ause you'll find appeal to authority is not an accepted back up to an argument. Aproved by a pannel of people based on your point being non biased, correctly written, correctly cited and the sources being correct and relavent. If you can name me a "subject expert" on saudi arabia id be interested to hear who they are plus how you prive thier lack of bias (for instance the head of the tourist board id imagine would be very well informed but unreliable) Lol - head of tourism - what Micky mouse things are you on about I mean prof of middle eastern studies at Oxford etc That's a SME Not you" Ok great so weve got a name. Now how much of his time has this prof spent on SA specifically and then say how much on the internal working of government or the legal system? Because one persons _iew on an entire country is going to be so myopic as to be useless for any specific detail. Hence why multiple sources are always used. Head of tourism was more a joke because i didnt really know if SA had say a home secretary, again somone you could say would certainly be an informed source for the uk. But a completely useless source because theyre bias | |||
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"Hull Polytechnic? King's, as it goes. Where did you study?
York - ranked 6th in the UK when is studied there
Media studies?
No - economics "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x91oF8b6k6w | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources I have yes but i mostly read technical pages which are referencing text books and accedemic papers, althought theae days my athens login is expired. You csn reference anything yes, and your change will be picked up in the talk sections of the page (you should read them they are interesting) and if it is out of context it will usualy be removed in a few hours. Especially on pages where you see the padlock which means any edit or change needs to be checked and aproved first before it csn be added (You'll notice SA and pretty much any contentious topic has this). Approved by whom! A subject matter expert or some arm chair geek with Google? Who is a "subject matter expert" be ause you'll find appeal to authority is not an accepted back up to an argument. Aproved by a pannel of people based on your point being non biased, correctly written, correctly cited and the sources being correct and relavent. If you can name me a "subject expert" on saudi arabia id be interested to hear who they are plus how you prive thier lack of bias (for instance the head of the tourist board id imagine would be very well informed but unreliable) Lol - head of tourism - what Micky mouse things are you on about I mean prof of middle eastern studies at Oxford etc That's a SME Not you Ok great so weve got a name. Now how much of his time has this prof spent on SA specifically and then say how much on the internal working of government or the legal system? Because one persons _iew on an entire country is going to be so myopic as to be useless for any specific detail. Hence why multiple sources are always used. Head of tourism was more a joke because i didnt really know if SA had say a home secretary, again somone you could say would certainly be an informed source for the uk. But a completely useless source because theyre bias " I'm glad you agree with me - we are ill informed compared to others and even if we were there is no definitive _iew As such all of our statements are just work and arm chair _iews - not credible and not based on fact - just opinion - ours | |||
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"Ok im gonna leave you two to your pissing contest. Time for lamb" I think they should get a room myself. | |||
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"Such violence and aggression today. Anyone would think we were in the Middle East.
I know - I feel threatened - some people can't have an adult intelectual debate with out running off to petty remarks about wanking and violence
Tbf, you started it :P
And no one has threatened anyone with violence... And as for the wanks... Was simply referring to how pent up you seem.
How about a nice hot bath?
I'll let you scrub my back
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"[Removed by poster at 03/01/16 13:43:56] And you took it down again... Dude, all you've done today is dispute and rubbish everything I've said, calling me stupid and ignorant, whilst failing to engage on any matter of substance. It's all here in black and white." Hilarious - you act like what you say is fact Of course I dispute everything you say - you know nothing I have not specifically called you stupid and ignorant - nearly the approach you take and attitude you and others have As I have said before - and will say again for you is as we are not SME we are not best placed to start spouting points as if there were facts - as such all I dispute and discuss is the validity of commenting on items we are not specialist or SME in I've I don't care for the argument just your not best place to comment That does crack me up - you finding issue with me disputing your points like they are gospel! Who do you think you are? | |||
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"Should the west condemn this bronze age ,vile human rights abusing nation ? Just as we would Zimbabwe or Burma ? Or do some still feel their country their rules ? When the oil runs out and they can't afford to buy our weapons systems. Until then, meh. Surely we should be condemning the USA who kidnapped and tortured britiah citizens for years first? " What the US has done with regard to Guantanamo is bad and should be condemned but is nothing compared to the barbarity and total trampling of human rights in Saudi. Linking the two together may make a good debating point on a forum thread but in reality totally misses the point of just how bad Saudi really is. If there worst was as bad as Guantanamo they would be 100 times better than they actually are. | |||
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"wow .... impressive display from the educated university types of where the current zeitgeist for rational thought and critical thinking is at "Yeah, I know! | |||
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"wow .... impressive display from the educated university types of where the current zeitgeist for rational thought and critical thinking is at "Yes - fab is the bastion of critical thinking and intellectual debate | |||
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"wow .... impressive display from the educated university types of where the current zeitgeist for rational thought and critical thinking is at
Yes - fab is the bastion of critical thinking and intellectual debate "There was actually an interesting discussion before this pissing contest began | |||
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"wow .... impressive display from the educated university types of where the current zeitgeist for rational thought and critical thinking is at
Yes - fab is the bastion of critical thinking and intellectual debate
There was actually an interesting discussion before this pissing contest began"which quickly descended into what can be described as summut simmilar to a buch of hedge monkeys fighting over a can of special brew in the car park behind the riflemans arms on a giro day ..... if that's what university does for folks why bother? | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?
Classic sign of someone who has lost
Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?
And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote?
I'm not a middle eastern expert and neither are you - let's leave the discussion to the experts - I was measly pointing out using Wikipedia is not a golden bullet due to the flaws on the site
I'm not a Middle East expert?
My BA was in War Studies in History, with a bent on Middle Eastern politics since 1945.
I guess I'm just stupid and ignorant.
You just said on another page it was Physcology - make up your mind?
No - I said I studies Psych for 3 years.
I said I did my BA in War Studies & History.
I completed my MA from one of the top universities on the planet in Ancient History "And yet you won't put forward your own idea for un-fucking the middle east... | |||
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"Should the west condemn this bronze age ,vile human rights abusing nation ? Just as we would Zimbabwe or Burma ? Or do some still feel their country their rules ? King Salman visited the US a few months ago, rented the ENTIRE four seasons hotel, and had it bedecked with red carpets and golden furniture. Words cannot express my disgust, in a world where millions are starving." People starving in the world has nothing to do with who stays in the four seasons. | |||
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"wow .... impressive display from the educated university types of where the current zeitgeist for rational thought and critical thinking is at
Yes - fab is the bastion of critical thinking and intellectual debate
There was actually an interesting discussion before this pissing contest began
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Which is why I nearly fell off my seat last night when someone appeared to suggest SA should take over as the main stabilising force in the Middle East...
(Though, to be fair, if the Republicans get back in....)
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"And yet you won't put forward your own idea for un-fucking the middle east... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc These threads get too long, no?" As well you know, there are multiple crises over a huge geographical area we lump together as 'the Middle East'. One size doesn't fit all and solutions have to be regional, as well as with the US or Russia &c. I'm afraid it's just not so simple | |||
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"And yet you won't put forward your own idea for un-fucking the middle east... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc These threads get too long, no? As well you know, there are multiple crises over a huge geographical area we lump together as 'the Middle East'. One size doesn't fit all and solutions have to be regional, as well as with the US or Russia &c. I'm afraid it's just not so simple" Ah right, the "it's all too complicated" response. No offence but nobody has any credibility when attacking other ideas if they can't express and defend their own. Which is a shame because you're one of the people that actually knows more than what can be found on the BBC world service (which is a crock of shite, just to be clear) | |||
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"Blimey - my university is better than your university. Fresher's week has long gone guys." intellectual testosterone is as entertaining as muscular testosterone.. disclaimer, never went to Uni so there are no links or reference papers (disputed or supported) to validate the above.. | |||
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"Anybody that assumes the western philosophy of crime and punishment will work in Saudi Arabia are quite frankly deluded. They have a completely different religious cultural and philosophical outlook!" No no they can work, just read the BBC, what we need is a perfect solution where we take over a middle east country and turn it into a model of stability, justice and democracy... What do you mean we already tried that? How could it possibly make things worse than living under a dictator? | |||
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"Blimey - my university is better than your university. Fresher's week has long gone guys. intellectual testosterone is as entertaining as muscular testosterone.. disclaimer, never went to Uni so there are no links or reference papers (disputed or supported) to validate the above.. "Honestly, it's three years of neighbours, liberal sex and drinking. Except every term you go down to the library for a day or two, read the past exam papers and prepare a model answer, we call that "revision". Russell group represent. | |||
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"Personally I believe the destabilisation of the Middle East was well planned and executed, to enable the survival of a single state that the west shares several interests with...... Can it ever be stabilised again....I think not ....as no one really wants it to be ..." But that wouldnt explain why it was a clusterfuck long before said event happened | |||
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"Blimey - my university is better than your university. Fresher's week has long gone guys. intellectual testosterone is as entertaining as muscular testosterone.. disclaimer, never went to Uni so there are no links or reference papers (disputed or supported) to validate the above..
Honestly, it's three years of neighbours, liberal sex and drinking. Except every term you go down to the library for a day or two, read the past exam papers and prepare a model answer, we call that "revision".
Russell group represent."thats why its cost me a bloody fortune for the kids to do theirs.. should have sent them down pit.. | |||
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"If I lived in Saudi or if this country became an Islamic state I would be executed. ...that's sobering. " Well you could just take your place in the back of the Guiness lorry, next to all the wives. You'd have to avoid the communal shower back home though | |||
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"Honestly, it's three years of neighbours, liberal sex and drinking." and don't it show | |||
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"If I lived in Saudi or if this country became an Islamic state I would be executed. ...that's sobering. Well you could just take your place in the back of the Guiness lorry, next to all the wives. You'd have to avoid the communal shower back home though " Whats a guiness lorry | |||
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"Personally I believe the destabilisation of the Middle East was well planned and executed, to enable the survival of a single state that the west shares several interests with...... Can it ever be stabilised again....I think not ....as no one really wants it to be ... But that wouldnt explain why it was a clusterfuck long before said event happened " It's never been anything other than a clusterfuck but most countries had some stability look at them now..... | |||
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"Blimey - my university is better than your university. Fresher's week has long gone guys. intellectual testosterone is as entertaining as muscular testosterone.. disclaimer, never went to Uni so there are no links or reference papers (disputed or supported) to validate the above..
Honestly, it's three years of neighbours, liberal sex and drinking. Except every term you go down to the library for a day or two, read the past exam papers and prepare a model answer, we call that "revision".
Russell group represent.
thats why its cost me a bloody fortune for the kids to do theirs..
should have sent them down pit..
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"Personally I believe the destabilisation of the Middle East was well planned and executed, to enable the survival of a single state that the west shares several interests with...... Can it ever be stabilised again....I think not ....as no one really wants it to be ... But that wouldnt explain why it was a clusterfuck long before said event happened It's never been anything other than a clusterfuck but most countries had some stability look at them now....." I wouldn't say it was a clusterfuck under ottoman rule | |||
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"If I lived in Saudi or if this country became an Islamic state I would be executed. ...that's sobering. Well you could just take your place in the back of the Guiness lorry, next to all the wives. You'd have to avoid the communal shower back home though Whats a guiness lorry" The locals drive about in pick up type vehicles , with their wives all sitting in the back. Head to toe in black. Looks like a Guiness delivery lorry - with all the black 'bottles' | |||
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"If I lived in Saudi or if this country became an Islamic state I would be executed. ...that's sobering. Well you could just take your place in the back of the Guiness lorry, next to all the wives. You'd have to avoid the communal shower back home though Whats a guiness lorry" Google brings up nothing but a dump truck crashing in saudi. | |||
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"Blimey - my university is better than your university. Fresher's week has long gone guys. intellectual testosterone is as entertaining as muscular testosterone.. disclaimer, never went to Uni so there are no links or reference papers (disputed or supported) to validate the above..
Honestly, it's three years of neighbours, liberal sex and drinking. Except every term you go down to the library for a day or two, read the past exam papers and prepare a model answer, we call that "revision".
Russell group represent.
thats why its cost me a bloody fortune for the kids to do theirs..
should have sent them down pit..
There's also absolutely no need for the first year, in my opinion, it's just a complete con to squeeze more money out of you "agree and said it to both of ours who looked at me in a 'but Dad its all part of the experience' way.. | |||
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"Blimey - my university is better than your university. Fresher's week has long gone guys. intellectual testosterone is as entertaining as muscular testosterone.. disclaimer, never went to Uni so there are no links or reference papers (disputed or supported) to validate the above..
Honestly, it's three years of neighbours, liberal sex and drinking. Except every term you go down to the library for a day or two, read the past exam papers and prepare a model answer, we call that "revision".
Russell group represent.
thats why its cost me a bloody fortune for the kids to do theirs..
should have sent them down pit..
There's also absolutely no need for the first year, in my opinion, it's just a complete con to squeeze more money out of you
agree and said it to both of ours who looked at me in a 'but Dad its all part of the experience' way..
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"If I lived in Saudi or if this country became an Islamic state I would be executed. ...that's sobering. Well you could just take your place in the back of the Guiness lorry, next to all the wives. You'd have to avoid the communal shower back home though Whats a guiness lorry The locals drive about in pick up type vehicles , with their wives all sitting in the back. Head to toe in black. Looks like a Guiness delivery lorry - with all the black 'bottles' " But they can only have 4 at most. And have to prove they can afdord them all so very few have that many. Not sure where you get they fill pick up trucks with them | |||
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"As an aside who else thinks Joe and the Bracknell guy should get it on ? The rows would be great, but the sex would be just amazing "I'd like to see them do a pupil - teacher porno scene... just putting that out there | |||
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"As an aside who else thinks Joe and the Bracknell guy should get it on ? The rows would be great, but the sex would be just amazing "there is a definite attraction between those two.. | |||
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"There's also absolutely no need for the first year, in my opinion, it's just a complete con to squeeze more money out of you " i'm guessing from your age that it wasn't actually your money that was squeezed or squandered during this process | |||
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"There's also absolutely no need for the first year, in my opinion, it's just a complete con to squeeze more money out of you i'm guessing from your age that it wasn't actually your money that was squeezed or squandered during this process " OK well guess again | |||
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"If I lived in Saudi or if this country became an Islamic state I would be executed. ...that's sobering. Well you could just take your place in the back of the Guiness lorry, next to all the wives. You'd have to avoid the communal shower back home though Whats a guiness lorry The locals drive about in pick up type vehicles , with their wives all sitting in the back. Head to toe in black. Looks like a Guiness delivery lorry - with all the black 'bottles' But they can only have 4 at most. And have to prove they can afdord them all so very few have that many. Not sure where you get they fill pick up trucks with them" I've seen it. 4 wives ok, who knows who the others were, | |||
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"If I lived in Saudi or if this country became an Islamic state I would be executed. ...that's sobering. Well you could just take your place in the back of the Guiness lorry, next to all the wives. You'd have to avoid the communal shower back home though Whats a guiness lorry The locals drive about in pick up type vehicles , with their wives all sitting in the back. Head to toe in black. Looks like a Guiness delivery lorry - with all the black 'bottles' But they can only have 4 at most. And have to prove they can afdord them all so very few have that many. Not sure where you get they fill pick up trucks with them" nope...haven't heard that one before either... not really a good analogy. | |||
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"There's also absolutely no need for the first year, in my opinion, it's just a complete con to squeeze more money out of you i'm guessing from your age that it wasn't actually your money that was squeezed or squandered during this process OK well guess again " daddy | |||
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"And yet you won't put forward your own idea for un-fucking the middle east... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc These threads get too long, no? As well you know, there are multiple crises over a huge geographical area we lump together as 'the Middle East'. One size doesn't fit all and solutions have to be regional, as well as with the US or Russia &c. I'm afraid it's just not so simple Ah right, the "it's all too complicated" response. No offence but nobody has any credibility when attacking other ideas if they can't express and defend their own. Which is a shame because you're one of the people that actually knows more than what can be found on the BBC world service (which is a crock of shite, just to be clear) " BBC is pretty good, Imo
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"On a more serious note, I find it interesting that people rush to condemn a country like Saudi without seeming to ponder why they would act like that. Saudi is not irrational, stupid or fond of senseless violence. These things have a reason, even if it's a cold harsh one." Wow. Do you work for the Saudi Bureau of Tourism? | |||
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"There's also absolutely no need for the first year, in my opinion, it's just a complete con to squeeze more money out of you i'm guessing from your age that it wasn't actually your money that was squeezed or squandered during this process OK well guess again daddy" Sorry who are you? Other than someone who makes bad guesses about people they don't know in public... | |||
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"As an aside who else thinks Joe and the Bracknell guy should get it on ? The rows would be great, but the sex would be just amazing
there is a definite attraction between those two..
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"Sorry who are you? Other than someone who makes bad guesses about people they don't know in public... " one of the plebs .... same as you | |||
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"And yet you won't put forward your own idea for un-fucking the middle east... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc These threads get too long, no? As well you know, there are multiple crises over a huge geographical area we lump together as 'the Middle East'. One size doesn't fit all and solutions have to be regional, as well as with the US or Russia &c. I'm afraid it's just not so simple Ah right, the "it's all too complicated" response. No offence but nobody has any credibility when attacking other ideas if they can't express and defend their own. Which is a shame because you're one of the people that actually knows more than what can be found on the BBC world service (which is a crock of shite, just to be clear) BBC is pretty good, Imo
And, tbf, you might as well say, "You're a doctor, cure cancer for me!""BBC is so biased. It'll lick the ass of a country that starves some it's population through its own inefficiency, just because they happen to be a democracy. It then condemns everyone who isn't a democracy even if their people are rich and stable in a region that is anything but. | |||
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"BBC is so biased. It'll lick the ass of a country that starves some it's population through its own inefficiency, just because they happen to be a democracy. It then condemns everyone who isn't a democracy even if their people are rich and stable in a region that is anything but. " Still these threads get too long! Ok as the BBC is 'clearly' untrustworthy, where do you suggest I get my news? | |||
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"As an aside who else thinks Joe and the Bracknell guy should get it on ? The rows would be great, but the sex would be just amazing
there is a definite attraction between those two..
I'm not a fan of... rotund gentlemen "bollocks.. thats me buggered then.. | |||
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"BBC is so biased. It'll lick the ass of a country that starves some it's population through its own inefficiency, just because they happen to be a democracy. It then condemns everyone who isn't a democracy even if their people are rich and stable in a region that is anything but. Still these threads get too long! Ok as the BBC is 'clearly' untrustworthy, where do you suggest I get my news? "All news is biased! You can read the BBC, even the mail if you like, just don't take it at face value is all... | |||
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"As an aside who else thinks Joe and the Bracknell guy should get it on ? The rows would be great, but the sex would be just amazing
there is a definite attraction between those two..
I'm not a fan of... rotund gentlemen
bollocks..
thats me buggered then.. "Or not, as the case may be? | |||
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"Saudi Arabia is still a hub for many terrorist factions in the Middle East a lot of funding is created there for Isis and the Saudi government know this well..... Correct... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Saudi_Arabia Guess what I was told first day of Uni by the head of department - Wikipedia is not a credible source and cannot be used as a reference Man you should have just pointed him to the 50+ academic links at the bottom. Cause you know wiki is just oike any peice of academic work, only as good as its references and youd be an absolute fool to read any acedemic paper and take what it says as gospel without reading the references. This is usually the point at which people go "but but peer re_iewed!!" Strangely they never seem to have ever read the papers opossing it though and just assume that because it was published it was accelted Have you read ever reference noted in the wiki article to substantiate if they support and validate what is written I can reference anything in Wikipedia - any observe out of context article or quote and use it to build an point of my own Most links on Wikipedia are to newspaper articles and other less credible sources
Have a wank, maybe?
Classic sign of someone who has lost
Turns the conversation away to something immature
What next - name calling and mum jokes?
And anyway, there was a whole intro to that Wikipedia link - I don;t see you disputing anything else I wrote?
I'm not a middle eastern expert and neither are you - let's leave the discussion to the experts - I was measly pointing out using Wikipedia is not a golden bullet due to the flaws on the site
I'm not a Middle East expert?
My BA was in War Studies in History, with a bent on Middle Eastern politics since 1945.
I guess I'm just stupid and ignorant.
You just said on another page it was Physcology - make up your mind?
No - I said I studies Psych for 3 years.
I said I did my BA in War Studies & History.
I completed my MA from one of the top universities on the planet in Ancient History
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"As an aside who else thinks Joe and the Bracknell guy should get it on ? The rows would be great, but the sex would be just amazing
there is a definite attraction between those two..
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"BBC is so biased. It'll lick the ass of a country that starves some it's population through its own inefficiency, just because they happen to be a democracy. It then condemns everyone who isn't a democracy even if their people are rich and stable in a region that is anything but. Still these threads get too long! Ok as the BBC is 'clearly' untrustworthy, where do you suggest I get my news?
All news is biased! You can read the BBC, even the mail if you like, just don't take it at face value is all... "Here's a page from WikiLeaks for you.
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"Personally I believe the destabilisation of the Middle East was well planned and executed, to enable the survival of a single state that the west shares several interests with...... Can it ever be stabilised again....I think not ....as no one really wants it to be ... But that wouldnt explain why it was a clusterfuck long before said event happened It's never been anything other than a clusterfuck but most countries had some stability look at them now..... I wouldn't say it was a clusterfuck under ottoman rule " Not really versed on that subject sorry ....I'm merely stating my opinion on the current state of the Middle East...... But how could anyone sort it out these days ? | |||
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"And yet you won't put forward your own idea for un-fucking the middle east... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Jne9t8sHpUc These threads get too long, no? As well you know, there are multiple crises over a huge geographical area we lump together as 'the Middle East'. One size doesn't fit all and solutions have to be regional, as well as with the US or Russia &c. I'm afraid it's just not so simple" What a cop out - no clue no answers | |||
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"As an aside who else thinks Joe and the Bracknell guy should get it on ? The rows would be great, but the sex would be just amazing
there is a definite attraction between those two..
I'm not a fan of... rotund gentlemen
I can't stand arrogant pricks "....says the chap who likes to make sure we all know he wears a Rolex, drinks £800 bottles of wine and drives fancy cars | |||
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"As an aside who else thinks Joe and the Bracknell guy should get it on ? The rows would be great, but the sex would be just amazing
there is a definite attraction between those two..
I'm not a fan of... rotund gentlemen
I can't stand arrogant pricks
....says the chap who likes to make sure we all know he wears a Rolex, drinks £800 bottles of wine and drives fancy cars "That's rich not arrogant - arrogant is reminding you I have 3 rolex's | |||
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"Not sure why anyone would expect answers to the Middle East problem on here. It's a discussion forum, isn't it? "Perfect comment | |||
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" Mr ddc OK, looking forward to your solution... " Well (and I have to admit here I may not be an expert in such matters), but it appears that since many problems since ww2 have stemmed from proxy wars between the US and Russia, and most success stories have involved UN forces, I would suggest giving peace a chance. Of course, in order to encourage the Arab world to take the UN seriously, we would have to actually enforce the many resolutions against Israel, but maybe then the West wouldn't seem quite to hypocritical, and fundamentalists wouldn't have any ammunition - such as how we stand idly by as Palestinian children are burnt to death by phosphorus bombs, for throwing stones at people stealing their land, livelihood and water. | |||
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"As an aside who else thinks Joe and the Bracknell guy should get it on ? The rows would be great, but the sex would be just amazing
there is a definite attraction between those two..
I'm not a fan of... rotund gentlemen
I can't stand arrogant pricks
....says the chap who likes to make sure we all know he wears a Rolex, drinks £800 bottles of wine and drives fancy cars
That's rich not arrogant - arrogant is reminding you I have 3 rolex's"It's neither rich or arrogant, it's just normal isn't it? | |||
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" Mr ddc OK, looking forward to your solution... Well (and I have to admit here I may not be an expert in such matters), but it appears that since many problems since ww2 have stemmed from proxy wars between the US and Russia, and most success stories have involved UN forces, I would suggest giving peace a chance. Of course, in order to encourage the Arab world to take the UN seriously, we would have to actually enforce the many resolutions against Israel, but maybe then the West wouldn't seem quite to hypocritical, and fundamentalists wouldn't have any ammunition - such as how we stand idly by as Palestinian children are burnt to death by phosphorus bombs, for throwing stones at people stealing their land, livelihood and water. " Careful, comments like that and people will be calling you antisemitic before long. | |||
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" Mr ddc OK, looking forward to your solution... Well (and I have to admit here I may not be an expert in such matters), but it appears that since many problems since ww2 have stemmed from proxy wars between the US and Russia, and most success stories have involved UN forces, I would suggest giving peace a chance. Of course, in order to encourage the Arab world to take the UN seriously, we would have to actually enforce the many resolutions against Israel, but maybe then the West wouldn't seem quite to hypocritical, and fundamentalists wouldn't have any ammunition - such as how we stand idly by as Palestinian children are burnt to death by phosphorus bombs, for throwing stones at people stealing their land, livelihood and water. " | |||
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" Mr ddc OK, looking forward to your solution... Well (and I have to admit here I may not be an expert in such matters), but it appears that since many problems since ww2 have stemmed from proxy wars between the US and Russia, and most success stories have involved UN forces, I would suggest giving peace a chance. Of course, in order to encourage the Arab world to take the UN seriously, we would have to actually enforce the many resolutions against Israel, but maybe then the West wouldn't seem quite to hypocritical, and fundamentalists wouldn't have any ammunition - such as how we stand idly by as Palestinian children are burnt to death by phosphorus bombs, for throwing stones at people stealing their land, livelihood and water. Careful, comments like that and people will be calling you antisemitic before long." I work on the principle that if it's good enough for Mrs Miliband senior, who knows more about it that I do, it's good enough for me. | |||
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