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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx" In what way? | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way?" Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia" Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. | |||
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"Is Dyslexia genetically passed on? That may be why. As far as I see it makes no difference a baby is still a baby at the end of the day will still be loved just as much am sure" It's supposed to be genetic so yes, although not everyone agrees. Anyway they don't accept people with many other health conditions. It's precautionary. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. " . It all depends on your outlook of life! | |||
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"Is Dyslexia genetically passed on? That may be why. As far as I see it makes no difference a baby is still a baby at the end of the day will still be loved just as much am sure" Well given donation is removed from the natural process it makes sense to attempt to provide as much extra protection that would normally be impossible. G | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx" Plus I'm guessing as I've not heard the story that there is little truth in it , to my knowledge there is no testable gene for our gift xx and thus would rely upon an individual owing up Why a gift ? Well as long as one can overcome western societies limited teaching methods and general disdain for the way the dyslexic mind functions , it's ability to process data and concepts in a lateral way is refreshing and very helpful in life xx | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. . It all depends on your outlook of life!" No it doesn't. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. " No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx" It's not a super power. It's a learning disability. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. . It all depends on your outlook of life! No it doesn't. " . Oh yes it does! | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx" Always keep the receipt  | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx It's not a super power. It's a learning disability. " . So is being a miserable bastard or lacking patience or being of introverted nature! | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx It's not a super power. It's a learning disability. . So is being a miserable bastard or lacking patience or being of introverted nature! " None of those are learning disabilities. They're character traits. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx It's not a super power. It's a learning disability. . So is being a miserable bastard or lacking patience or being of introverted nature! None of those are learning disabilities. They're character traits. " . try learning something with no patience! I've given up on guitar playing eight times and its making me miserable which doesn't help picking it back up again | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx" With a little help , guidence, encouragement , a dyslexic can become a tenacious lil fucker able to overcome a vast array of difficult problems and not always just from learnt memory My school day example was The bright kids could recite the times tables 1 to 12 What good memories they had just like a book Ask them 16 times 23 though I was slower to give my 7 times six because I had to work it out But I could multiply any number up to 4 digits by another because to my mind the logic was the same , why waste valuable memory space xx | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx Plus I'm guessing as I've not heard the story that there is little truth in it , to my knowledge there is no testable gene for our gift xx and thus would rely upon an individual owing up Why a gift ? Well as long as one can overcome western societies limited teaching methods and general disdain for the way the dyslexic mind functions , it's ability to process data and concepts in a lateral way is refreshing and very helpful in life xx"
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx It's not a super power. It's a learning disability. . So is being a miserable bastard or lacking patience or being of introverted nature! None of those are learning disabilities. They're character traits. . try learning something with no patience! I've given up on guitar playing eight times and its making me miserable which doesn't help picking it back up again" I don't know what you're trying to tell me, sorry. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. " Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx Always keep the receipt "pmsl | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx It's not a super power. It's a learning disability. " That's it you keep telling the kids that I don't or won't It's certainly not a learning disability It's actually a teaching disability , teach the child how to use its gift and they do amazing things It's like having a shelf 12 foot high and then telling everyone who can't reach the book on the shelf that they are stupid and have a disability I put up with that pathetic nonsense for 18 years but I devised my way xx or perhaps you think me retarded (which it's definition means held back) | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back." Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx It's not a super power. It's a learning disability. That's it you keep telling the kids that I don't or won't It's certainly not a learning disability It's actually a teaching disability , teach the child how to use its gift and they do amazing things It's like having a shelf 12 foot high and then telling everyone who can't reach the book on the shelf that they are stupid and have a disability I put up with that pathetic nonsense for 18 years but I devised my way xx or perhaps you think me retarded (which it's definition means held back)" I never called you retarded or thought it. That's your own issues showing. | |||
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"I wouldn't want sperm from someone who could possibly pass on dyslexia or any other disability. Life is hard enough as it is for the average person,I would want to eradicate any chance of my child having any kind of disability. " | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx It's not a super power. It's a learning disability. That's it you keep telling the kids that I don't or won't It's certainly not a learning disability It's actually a teaching disability , teach the child how to use its gift and they do amazing things It's like having a shelf 12 foot high and then telling everyone who can't reach the book on the shelf that they are stupid and have a disability I put up with that pathetic nonsense for 18 years but I devised my way xx or perhaps you think me retarded (which it's definition means held back)" Teaching disability, I love this. So true. Just because a mind works differently does not make it disabled. Far from it. I know some people with academically brilliant minds, but they are dumb as fuck when it comes to anything else. Anything practical. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back." I'm not gifted or special. I'm dyslexic and there have been no advantages to me whatsoever. If everyone you know is gifted it's despite their dyslexia not because of it. I wouldn't have a child with someone who would increase the risk of the baby being dyslexic. Luckily for me my boyfriend isn't, hopefully any kids will take after him not me. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others." No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx Plus I'm guessing as I've not heard the story that there is little truth in it , to my knowledge there is no testable gene for our gift xx and thus would rely upon an individual owing up Why a gift ? Well as long as one can overcome western societies limited teaching methods and general disdain for the way the dyslexic mind functions , it's ability to process data and concepts in a lateral way is refreshing and very helpful in life xx" Well said that man. I've never hidden the fact I'm dyslexic I mean how could I on here although yes it has made my life harder in some ways I believe it's made me who and what I am and I really quite like me I'm a nice guy and in my own field and businesses I've run in the past and still do I've been successful and so consider myself reasonably intelligent. So you could consider it a gift it seriously gave me the determination to show every single teacher I ever had at school just how wrong they was for thinking I was thick. As for it being genetic I can prove it's not in my case by daughter is highly intelligent and most definitely not dyslexic | |||
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"It's supposed to be genetic so yes, although not everyone agrees. " Wellcome Trust “A large-scale twin-study based in Colorado, USA has found that the heritability of dyslexia (i.e. the proportion of trait variability that can be explained by genetic factors) is more than 50%.” | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. I'm not gifted or special. I'm dyslexic and there have been no advantages to me whatsoever. If everyone you know is gifted it's despite their dyslexia not because of it. I wouldn't have a child with someone who would increase the risk of the baby being dyslexic. Luckily for me my boyfriend isn't, hopefully any kids will take after him not me. " Do you not see how insulting that reads | |||
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"Tom Cruise JF Kennedy Albert Einstein Beethoven Winston Churchill Leonardo da Vinci Jamie Oliver Will Smith Hans Christian Anderson And me !!!!! I see it as a GIFT .... And I have written white papers for governments, completed a double Masters in business and consultancy without an undergrad and won international awards it's a gift not a disability ..... Often high IQ comes with dyslexia .... So it seems flawed to make it a condition of rejection .... " Is Tom cruise an example anyone should hold up as a "rational human being"? | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. I'm not gifted or special. I'm dyslexic and there have been no advantages to me whatsoever. If everyone you know is gifted it's despite their dyslexia not because of it. I wouldn't have a child with someone who would increase the risk of the baby being dyslexic. Luckily for me my boyfriend isn't, hopefully any kids will take after him not me. Do you not see how insulting that reads "I am dyslexic and it has made my life harder. I would never want to make life harder for my kids. Where's the insult? | |||
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"I wouldn't want sperm from someone who could possibly pass on dyslexia or any other disability. Life is hard enough as it is for the average person,I would want to eradicate any chance of my child having any kind of disability. " I really do hope depression doesnt have a genetic component | |||
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"Tom Cruise JF Kennedy Albert Einstein Beethoven Winston Churchill Leonardo da Vinci Jamie Oliver Will Smith Hans Christian Anderson And me !!!!! I see it as a GIFT .... And I have written white papers for governments, completed a double Masters in business and consultancy without an undergrad and won international awards it's a gift not a disability ..... Often high IQ comes with dyslexia .... So it seems flawed to make it a condition of rejection .... "  | |||
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"People who are dyslexic and geniuses are not that way because of their dyslexia, they would have been geniuses anyway. I find it all a bit patronising going on about my precious special gift, which was nothing but a curse and a hindrance to me. No way I would wish it on a child." Have to agree to disagree on this. Look at the list above, and their are many many more brilliant minds throughout history who struggled to put pen to paper. I believe that the different way the brain works with dyslexia does go hand in hand with other gifts and talents. By not thinking the same way it unlocks it. | |||
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"People who are dyslexic and geniuses are not that way because of their dyslexia, they would have been geniuses anyway. I find it all a bit patronising going on about my precious special gift, which was nothing but a curse and a hindrance to me. No way I would wish it on a child. Have to agree to disagree on this. Look at the list above, and their are many many more brilliant minds throughout history who struggled to put pen to paper. I believe that the different way the brain works with dyslexia does go hand in hand with other gifts and talents. By not thinking the same way it unlocks it." I must be a shit dyslexic then, my brain doesn't work in some special way to unlock some special power or talent. It just frustrates me and means I have to try so much harder at things other people take for granted. | |||
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"Tom Cruise JF Kennedy Albert Einstein Beethoven Winston Churchill Leonardo da Vinci Jamie Oliver Will Smith Hans Christian Anderson And me !!!!! I see it as a GIFT .... And I have written white papers for governments, completed a double Masters in business and consultancy without an undergrad and won international awards it's a gift not a disability ..... Often high IQ comes with dyslexia .... So it seems flawed to make it a condition of rejection .... " | |||
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"People who are dyslexic and geniuses are not that way because of their dyslexia, they would have been geniuses anyway. I find it all a bit patronising going on about my precious special gift, which was nothing but a curse and a hindrance to me. No way I would wish it on a child. Have to agree to disagree on this. Look at the list above, and their are many many more brilliant minds throughout history who struggled to put pen to paper. I believe that the different way the brain works with dyslexia does go hand in hand with other gifts and talents. By not thinking the same way it unlocks it. I must be a shit dyslexic then, my brain doesn't work in some special way to unlock some special power or talent. It just frustrates me and means I have to try so much harder at things other people take for granted. " could you give an example | |||
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"Tom Cruise JF Kennedy Albert Einstein Beethoven Winston Churchill Leonardo da Vinci Jamie Oliver Will Smith Hans Christian Anderson And me !!!!! I see it as a GIFT .... And I have written white papers for governments, completed a double Masters in business and consultancy without an undergrad and won international awards it's a gift not a disability ..... Often high IQ comes with dyslexia .... So it seems flawed to make it a condition of rejection .... " Oh and interestingly dyslexia has been found to be independent from iq (traditionally it was belived to be associated with lower than normal iq like many neurological conditions) however it seems once you separate out the reading variables in the tests dyslexics show the same distribution as any normal sample group. Its quite cool. | |||
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"People who are dyslexic and geniuses are not that way because of their dyslexia, they would have been geniuses anyway. I find it all a bit patronising going on about my precious special gift, which was nothing but a curse and a hindrance to me. No way I would wish it on a child. Have to agree to disagree on this. Look at the list above, and their are many many more brilliant minds throughout history who struggled to put pen to paper. I believe that the different way the brain works with dyslexia does go hand in hand with other gifts and talents. By not thinking the same way it unlocks it. I must be a shit dyslexic then, my brain doesn't work in some special way to unlock some special power or talent. It just frustrates me and means I have to try so much harder at things other people take for granted. could you give an example " I can read very fast in my head but make me read out loud and i sound like a concussed 5 year old. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal." If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? | |||
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"I wouldn't want sperm from someone who could possibly pass on dyslexia or any other disability. Life is hard enough as it is for the average person,I would want to eradicate any chance of my child having any kind of disability. I really do hope depression doesnt have a genetic component " Me too,I would hate for people to pay to have a child that suffers depression. If I was given the choice I would rather have not been born,if it were genetic and my parents chose to bring me into the world. | |||
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"People who are dyslexic and geniuses are not that way because of their dyslexia, they would have been geniuses anyway. I find it all a bit patronising going on about my precious special gift, which was nothing but a curse and a hindrance to me. No way I would wish it on a child. Have to agree to disagree on this. Look at the list above, and their are many many more brilliant minds throughout history who struggled to put pen to paper. I believe that the different way the brain works with dyslexia does go hand in hand with other gifts and talents. By not thinking the same way it unlocks it. I must be a shit dyslexic then, my brain doesn't work in some special way to unlock some special power or talent. It just frustrates me and means I have to try so much harder at things other people take for granted. " I'm not talking super powers, as with my brothers, and blade, their talents are in non academic areas. And I'm not trying to say that every dyslexic has a great talent in other areas. Same as not being dyslexic doesn't automatically make me academically gifted, I'm not. Alot of musicians are dyslexic, the brain seems to focus on a different area is all. Hands on stuff. | |||
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"Tom Cruise JF Kennedy Albert Einstein Beethoven Winston Churchill Leonardo da Vinci Jamie Oliver Will Smith Hans Christian Anderson And me !!!!! I see it as a GIFT .... And I have written white papers for governments, completed a double Masters in business and consultancy without an undergrad and won international awards it's a gift not a disability ..... Often high IQ comes with dyslexia .... So it seems flawed to make it a condition of rejection .... " Some of those were alive before dyslexia was even defined. You're going by someone else's assumption. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed?" They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. | |||
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"And there are plenty more great people born with conditions that I can't be arsed to mention that I wouldn't exactly call a 'gift' for giving to them. Strange." Tbh if they were just exceptionally good, they wouldn't have been diagnosed with a problem. They would've just gotten on with life. Clearly something went wrong. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse." Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. " Other areas that most people find difficult they excel in. Swings and round abouts. | |||
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"Just imagine you are dyslexic and you have to read a form with words like dyslexia on it... The only bars should be genetic disabilities - which I dont think Dyslexia is - and infectious diseases. I happen to be colour blind, I can't pass it on - its on the x chromosome - but my sister could (if I had one), does that bar her?" does your sister produce much sperm then?  | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. " Oh dear with such a limited point of _iew I'd suggest you have an equal disability Not all children can learn all subjects in the same way You suggest the child is at fault because YOU decide the way daisy learns to read is the correct way for all to learn to read I saw shapes not letters , simple just like the Chinese and we all know how long it takes them to learn a vocabulary , let's see daisy learn Chinese Seeing shapes takes a little longer to establish, especially when being taught in completely tho wrong way BUT it helps with maths, physics chemistry, electronics, computer code, engineering, and oddly learning other languages all of which daisy is often pretty crap at We may have a slightly slower start but that's because our brains are more complex and possibly more able and adaptable Ok so daisy could remember stuff even write it down , but how many times did daisy question the teacher, how why if? I think it rather pathetic to judge a persons lifetime by the speed at which they appear to learn or not, at such a young age The brain is plastic and develops different skills at different times in different ways Sarah can run fast but can't do a handstand Jane can do the opposite , which one has a difficulty? | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. Oh dear with such a limited point of _iew I'd suggest you have an equal disability Not all children can learn all subjects in the same way You suggest the child is at fault because YOU decide the way daisy learns to read is the correct way for all to learn to read I saw shapes not letters , simple just like the Chinese and we all know how long it takes them to learn a vocabulary , let's see daisy learn Chinese Seeing shapes takes a little longer to establish, especially when being taught in completely tho wrong way BUT it helps with maths, physics chemistry, electronics, computer code, engineering, and oddly learning other languages all of which daisy is often pretty crap at We may have a slightly slower start but that's because our brains are more complex and possibly more able and adaptable Ok so daisy could remember stuff even write it down , but how many times did daisy question the teacher, how why if? I think it rather pathetic to judge a persons lifetime by the speed at which they appear to learn or not, at such a young age The brain is plastic and develops different skills at different times in different ways Sarah can run fast but can't do a handstand Jane can do the opposite , which one has a difficulty? " I didn't define dyslexia, I don't know why you're having a go at me. It's not pathetic to categorise people in order to aid them in their development. That's why the dyslexia label helps. Depends. Which out of Sarah and Jane can read and write without any issues? The one with issues has a learning disability. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. Oh dear with such a limited point of _iew I'd suggest you have an equal disability Not all children can learn all subjects in the same way You suggest the child is at fault because YOU decide the way daisy learns to read is the correct way for all to learn to read I saw shapes not letters , simple just like the Chinese and we all know how long it takes them to learn a vocabulary , let's see daisy learn Chinese Seeing shapes takes a little longer to establish, especially when being taught in completely tho wrong way BUT it helps with maths, physics chemistry, electronics, computer code, engineering, and oddly learning other languages all of which daisy is often pretty crap at We may have a slightly slower start but that's because our brains are more complex and possibly more able and adaptable Ok so daisy could remember stuff even write it down , but how many times did daisy question the teacher, how why if? I think it rather pathetic to judge a persons lifetime by the speed at which they appear to learn or not, at such a young age The brain is plastic and develops different skills at different times in different ways Sarah can run fast but can't do a handstand Jane can do the opposite , which one has a difficulty? I didn't define dyslexia, I don't know why you're having a go at me. It's not pathetic to categorise people in order to aid them in their development. That's why the dyslexia label helps. Depends. Which out of Sarah and Jane can read and write without any issues? The one with issues has a learning disability. " Yes define their talent not call it a learning difficulty | |||
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"Are people offended for realising they are less than perfect? I've got news for you... It seems they are lib , can't handle that early poor readers can grow to be more able and adaptable than those whose magic skill was to tediously repeat and remember" That isn't an ability unique to those with dyslexia. You're not all geniuses. Some with dyslexia are even less intelligent and less able than average people. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. Oh dear with such a limited point of _iew I'd suggest you have an equal disability Not all children can learn all subjects in the same way You suggest the child is at fault because YOU decide the way daisy learns to read is the correct way for all to learn to read I saw shapes not letters , simple just like the Chinese and we all know how long it takes them to learn a vocabulary , let's see daisy learn Chinese Seeing shapes takes a little longer to establish, especially when being taught in completely tho wrong way BUT it helps with maths, physics chemistry, electronics, computer code, engineering, and oddly learning other languages all of which daisy is often pretty crap at We may have a slightly slower start but that's because our brains are more complex and possibly more able and adaptable Ok so daisy could remember stuff even write it down , but how many times did daisy question the teacher, how why if? I think it rather pathetic to judge a persons lifetime by the speed at which they appear to learn or not, at such a young age The brain is plastic and develops different skills at different times in different ways Sarah can run fast but can't do a handstand Jane can do the opposite , which one has a difficulty? I didn't define dyslexia, I don't know why you're having a go at me. It's not pathetic to categorise people in order to aid them in their development. That's why the dyslexia label helps. Depends. Which out of Sarah and Jane can read and write without any issues? The one with issues has a learning disability. Yes define their talent not call it a learning difficulty" Wtf why? Don't molly coddle. It's a learning disability by definition, I'm not going to call it something else to appease you. | |||
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"Are people offended for realising they are less than perfect? I've got news for you... It seems they are lib , can't handle that early poor readers can grow to be more able and adaptable than those whose magic skill was to tediously repeat and remember That isn't an ability unique to those with dyslexia. You're not all geniuses. Some with dyslexia are even less intelligent and less able than average people. " No one has said that all dyslexics are geniuses. But why does the fact that they learn in different ways than being able to read and right at an expected speed, make them disabled?! | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse." You don't know that this has anything to do with their dyslexia - if they weren't dyslexic they may well have been good at all the stuff they're good at AND able to read and write easily too. | |||
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"Are people offended for realising they are less than perfect? I've got news for you... It seems they are lib , can't handle that early poor readers can grow to be more able and adaptable than those whose magic skill was to tediously repeat and remember That isn't an ability unique to those with dyslexia. You're not all geniuses. Some with dyslexia are even less intelligent and less able than average people. No one has said that all dyslexics are geniuses. But why does the fact that they learn in different ways than being able to read and right at an expected speed, make them disabled?!" Yeh, Taoist is suggesting all dyslexic people are uniquely outstanding and so clever which is bizarre. Being disabled and having a disability aren't the same thing. I didn't define it, it's not my fault. | |||
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"Is Dyslexia genetically passed on? That may be why. As far as I see it makes no difference a baby is still a baby at the end of the day will still be loved just as much am sure It's supposed to be genetic so yes, although not everyone agrees. Anyway they don't accept people with many other health conditions. It's precautionary. " Hmmmmmm !! Athletic strapping blue eyed blondes rule !! The master race. Now where have we heard that before ? The simple fact is its a slippery slope when humans start becoming unrealistically selective. Personally I find it a little disturbing. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. Oh dear with such a limited point of _iew I'd suggest you have an equal disability Not all children can learn all subjects in the same way You suggest the child is at fault because YOU decide the way daisy learns to read is the correct way for all to learn to read I saw shapes not letters , simple just like the Chinese and we all know how long it takes them to learn a vocabulary , let's see daisy learn Chinese Seeing shapes takes a little longer to establish, especially when being taught in completely tho wrong way BUT it helps with maths, physics chemistry, electronics, computer code, engineering, and oddly learning other languages all of which daisy is often pretty crap at We may have a slightly slower start but that's because our brains are more complex and possibly more able and adaptable Ok so daisy could remember stuff even write it down , but how many times did daisy question the teacher, how why if? I think it rather pathetic to judge a persons lifetime by the speed at which they appear to learn or not, at such a young age The brain is plastic and develops different skills at different times in different ways Sarah can run fast but can't do a handstand Jane can do the opposite , which one has a difficulty? " This is such bollocks, stop trying to make out like we dyslexics are some kind of superior master beings. You sound like someone whose mum kept telling them something to make them feel better when they were little who hasn't grown up and realised like everyone else that they are no better than the next person. My brain is not more complex and capable than a non-dyslexic. There is no evidence to support that whatsoever. I mean proper real scientific evidence not "but some dyslexics are geniuses" | |||
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"Is Dyslexia genetically passed on? That may be why. As far as I see it makes no difference a baby is still a baby at the end of the day will still be loved just as much am sure It's supposed to be genetic so yes, although not everyone agrees. Anyway they don't accept people with many other health conditions. It's precautionary. Hmmmmmm !! Athletic strapping blue eyed blondes rule !! The master race. Now where have we heard that before ? The simple fact is its a slippery slope when humans start becoming unrealistically selective. Personally I find it a little disturbing." Why? It'd be irresponsible to procreate with a Huntington's gene carrier, why not dyslexia? People want the best for their offspring, especially if they're paying. I'm sure they could recruit a dyslexic donor if requested. | |||
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"Is Dyslexia genetically passed on? That may be why. As far as I see it makes no difference a baby is still a baby at the end of the day will still be loved just as much am sure It's supposed to be genetic so yes, although not everyone agrees. Anyway they don't accept people with many other health conditions. It's precautionary. Hmmmmmm !! Athletic strapping blue eyed blondes rule !! The master race. Now where have we heard that before ? The simple fact is its a slippery slope when humans start becoming unrealistically selective. Personally I find it a little disturbing." Oh hai godwins law | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. No narrow minded simple humans make life harder, dyslexia makes it amazing xxx It's not a super power. It's a learning disability. That's it you keep telling the kids that I don't or won't It's certainly not a learning disability It's actually a teaching disability , teach the child how to use its gift and they do amazing things It's like having a shelf 12 foot high and then telling everyone who can't reach the book on the shelf that they are stupid and have a disability I put up with that pathetic nonsense for 18 years but I devised my way xx or perhaps you think me retarded (which it's definition means held back) Teaching disability, I love this. So true. Just because a mind works differently does not make it disabled. Far from it. I know some people with academically brilliant minds, but they are dumb as fuck when it comes to anything else. Anything practical." | |||
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"dyslexia changed my complete thought process. The frustration of just wanting to understand the simplest to the most complex things made my want to scream with rage. I was embarrassed to be a slow learner and to be tagged with the word "dyslexia" made me feel officially useless. one day I constantly kept thinking of my mum saying "your dyslexic not stupid,don't let the frustration get the better of you." That's exactly what held me back,frustration.frustration towards the speed of others compared to me.I decided to think of the phase "fuck it" when I didn't understand,I'll try again till I do. I smashed my school targets,gained my confidence and now live my life believing I beat that word. " Nobody is saying there is anything wrong with it - I think that's where the issue lies in this debate. | |||
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"Is Dyslexia genetically passed on? That may be why. As far as I see it makes no difference a baby is still a baby at the end of the day will still be loved just as much am sure It's supposed to be genetic so yes, although not everyone agrees. Anyway they don't accept people with many other health conditions. It's precautionary. Hmmmmmm !! Athletic strapping blue eyed blondes rule !! The master race. Now where have we heard that before ? The simple fact is its a slippery slope when humans start becoming unrealistically selective. Personally I find it a little disturbing. Why? It'd be irresponsible to procreate with a Huntington's gene carrier, why not dyslexia? People want the best for their offspring, especially if they're paying. I'm sure they could recruit a dyslexic donor if requested. " How about bald people, crooked teeth, bed wetting as a child, big nose, big ears ? Maybe my wife and I should not have had children, as my mother has had heart surgery, and my wife's sister died of cancer. There is no guarantee that things are going to turn out just fine for any of us. I would say that well over 90% of us have cancer or heart disease or a mental issue, somewhere in our not too distant family tree. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. Oh dear with such a limited point of _iew I'd suggest you have an equal disability Not all children can learn all subjects in the same way You suggest the child is at fault because YOU decide the way daisy learns to read is the correct way for all to learn to read I saw shapes not letters , simple just like the Chinese and we all know how long it takes them to learn a vocabulary , let's see daisy learn Chinese Seeing shapes takes a little longer to establish, especially when being taught in completely tho wrong way BUT it helps with maths, physics chemistry, electronics, computer code, engineering, and oddly learning other languages all of which daisy is often pretty crap at We may have a slightly slower start but that's because our brains are more complex and possibly more able and adaptable Ok so daisy could remember stuff even write it down , but how many times did daisy question the teacher, how why if? I think it rather pathetic to judge a persons lifetime by the speed at which they appear to learn or not, at such a young age The brain is plastic and develops different skills at different times in different ways Sarah can run fast but can't do a handstand Jane can do the opposite , which one has a difficulty? I didn't define dyslexia, I don't know why you're having a go at me. It's not pathetic to categorise people in order to aid them in their development. That's why the dyslexia label helps. Depends. Which out of Sarah and Jane can read and write without any issues? The one with issues has a learning disability. " Yes define their talent not call it a learning difficulty | |||
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"Are people offended for realising they are less than perfect? I've got news for you... It seems they are lib , can't handle that early poor readers can grow to be more able and adaptable than those whose magic skill was to tediously repeat and remember That isn't an ability unique to those with dyslexia. You're not all geniuses. Some with dyslexia are even less intelligent and less able than average people. No one has said that all dyslexics are geniuses. But why does the fact that they learn in different ways than being able to read and right at an expected speed, make them disabled?!" This | |||
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"dyslexia changed my complete thought process. The frustration of just wanting to understand the simplest to the most complex things made my want to scream with rage. I was embarrassed to be a slow learner and to be tagged with the word "dyslexia" made me feel officially useless. one day I constantly kept thinking of my mum saying "your dyslexic not stupid,don't let the frustration get the better of you." That's exactly what held me back,frustration.frustration towards the speed of others compared to me.I decided to think of the phase "fuck it" when I didn't understand,I'll try again till I do. I smashed my school targets,gained my confidence and now live my life believing I beat that word. Nobody is saying there is anything wrong with it - I think that's where the issue lies in this debate." Well clearly there is otherwise they'd except sperm from us. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. Oh dear with such a limited point of _iew I'd suggest you have an equal disability Not all children can learn all subjects in the same way You suggest the child is at fault because YOU decide the way daisy learns to read is the correct way for all to learn to read I saw shapes not letters , simple just like the Chinese and we all know how long it takes them to learn a vocabulary , let's see daisy learn Chinese Seeing shapes takes a little longer to establish, especially when being taught in completely tho wrong way BUT it helps with maths, physics chemistry, electronics, computer code, engineering, and oddly learning other languages all of which daisy is often pretty crap at We may have a slightly slower start but that's because our brains are more complex and possibly more able and adaptable Ok so daisy could remember stuff even write it down , but how many times did daisy question the teacher, how why if? I think it rather pathetic to judge a persons lifetime by the speed at which they appear to learn or not, at such a young age The brain is plastic and develops different skills at different times in different ways Sarah can run fast but can't do a handstand Jane can do the opposite , which one has a difficulty? This is such bollocks, stop trying to make out like we dyslexics are some kind of superior master beings. You sound like someone whose mum kept telling them something to make them feel better when they were little who hasn't grown up and realised like everyone else that they are no better than the next person. My brain is not more complex and capable than a non-dyslexic. There is no evidence to support that whatsoever. I mean proper real scientific evidence not "but some dyslexics are geniuses"" No get me clear xx I'm saying dyslexics are different but equal not disabled It may be demonstrative that most humans at some point struggle learning somethings at some stage I find it upsetting you have been conditioned to blame yourself and not the systems that can teach you | |||
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"dyslexia changed my complete thought process. The frustration of just wanting to understand the simplest to the most complex things made my want to scream with rage. I was embarrassed to be a slow learner and to be tagged with the word "dyslexia" made me feel officially useless. one day I constantly kept thinking of my mum saying "your dyslexic not stupid,don't let the frustration get the better of you." That's exactly what held me back,frustration.frustration towards the speed of others compared to me.I decided to think of the phase "fuck it" when I didn't understand,I'll try again till I do. I smashed my school targets,gained my confidence and now live my life believing I beat that word. Nobody is saying there is anything wrong with it - I think that's where the issue lies in this debate. Well clearly there is otherwise they'd except sperm from us." There are plenty of other reason to be turned down too. | |||
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"dyslexia changed my complete thought process. The frustration of just wanting to understand the simplest to the most complex things made my want to scream with rage. I was embarrassed to be a slow learner and to be tagged with the word "dyslexia" made me feel officially useless. one day I constantly kept thinking of my mum saying "your dyslexic not stupid,don't let the frustration get the better of you." That's exactly what held me back,frustration.frustration towards the speed of others compared to me.I decided to think of the phase "fuck it" when I didn't understand,I'll try again till I do. I smashed my school targets,gained my confidence and now live my life believing I beat that word. Nobody is saying there is anything wrong with it - I think that's where the issue lies in this debate. Well clearly there is otherwise they'd except sperm from us. There are plenty of other reason to be turned down too." Granted,we are talking about a specific reason. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. Oh dear with such a limited point of _iew I'd suggest you have an equal disability Not all children can learn all subjects in the same way You suggest the child is at fault because YOU decide the way daisy learns to read is the correct way for all to learn to read I saw shapes not letters , simple just like the Chinese and we all know how long it takes them to learn a vocabulary , let's see daisy learn Chinese Seeing shapes takes a little longer to establish, especially when being taught in completely tho wrong way BUT it helps with maths, physics chemistry, electronics, computer code, engineering, and oddly learning other languages all of which daisy is often pretty crap at We may have a slightly slower start but that's because our brains are more complex and possibly more able and adaptable Ok so daisy could remember stuff even write it down , but how many times did daisy question the teacher, how why if? I think it rather pathetic to judge a persons lifetime by the speed at which they appear to learn or not, at such a young age The brain is plastic and develops different skills at different times in different ways Sarah can run fast but can't do a handstand Jane can do the opposite , which one has a difficulty? This is such bollocks, stop trying to make out like we dyslexics are some kind of superior master beings. You sound like someone whose mum kept telling them something to make them feel better when they were little who hasn't grown up and realised like everyone else that they are no better than the next person. My brain is not more complex and capable than a non-dyslexic. There is no evidence to support that whatsoever. I mean proper real scientific evidence not "but some dyslexics are geniuses" No get me clear xx I'm saying dyslexics are different but equal not disabled It may be demonstrative that most humans at some point struggle learning somethings at some stage I find it upsetting you have been conditioned to blame yourself and not the systems that can teach you" You've typed paragraphs on how dyslexic people are exceptional and better at interpreting things than people without it. Why would blaming the "systems that can teach" even help? It doesn't even make sense. | |||
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"Is Dyslexia genetically passed on? That may be why. As far as I see it makes no difference a baby is still a baby at the end of the day will still be loved just as much am sure It's supposed to be genetic so yes, although not everyone agrees. Anyway they don't accept people with many other health conditions. It's precautionary. Hmmmmmm !! Athletic strapping blue eyed blondes rule !! The master race. Now where have we heard that before ? The simple fact is its a slippery slope when humans start becoming unrealistically selective. Personally I find it a little disturbing. Why? It'd be irresponsible to procreate with a Huntington's gene carrier, why not dyslexia? People want the best for their offspring, especially if they're paying. I'm sure they could recruit a dyslexic donor if requested. How about bald people, crooked teeth, bed wetting as a child, big nose, big ears ? Maybe my wife and I should not have had children, as my mother has had heart surgery, and my wife's sister died of cancer. There is no guarantee that things are going to turn out just fine for any of us. I would say that well over 90% of us have cancer or heart disease or a mental issue, somewhere in our not too distant family tree. " There's several things going on when it comes to eugenics. People trying to eradicate certain traits in humans is the main one. After all the aim is to create what is thought of as the healthiest human, with a good longevity but also good quality of life with that. Unfortunately no-one can decide exactly what is the best way to do this, and until they do only the areas that are allowed to be controlled will be controlled. Once we start deciding who is worthy of having children, and allowing opinion on that to be popular, it could become a slippery slope towards complete control of who is allowed to breed, it's already happened with infertility treatments as we can see. And i have seen people saying certain types shouldn't breed already, benefits claimants being the most obvious one, but it's hardly ever said that the disabled shouldn't have kids - this _iew has never become popular for any reason. It has been tried before, to stop disabled and the 'feeble minded' from having children, forced sterilisation of them happened as well as ethnic minorities. Social Services was created in the western world exactly for this purpose, to decide who would be allowed to have children or bring up their own, and even now they can decide who is allowed to keep their own children or not. There are financial incentives even now for poorer, overpopulated countries to have less children. The NHS is government control over our health already, nobody seems to mind this though as it hasn't stopped anyone from having children, mostly. It's beneficial to everyone using it, but yes forced sterilisation would considered a breech of human rights at this time so they have had to stop forcing it onto people and just remove their children instead if they feel a need to. So there is already control here over who is allowed a family and who isn't. | |||
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"Is Dyslexia genetically passed on? That may be why. As far as I see it makes no difference a baby is still a baby at the end of the day will still be loved just as much am sure It's supposed to be genetic so yes, although not everyone agrees. Anyway they don't accept people with many other health conditions. It's precautionary. Hmmmmmm !! Athletic strapping blue eyed blondes rule !! The master race. Now where have we heard that before ? The simple fact is its a slippery slope when humans start becoming unrealistically selective. Personally I find it a little disturbing. Why? It'd be irresponsible to procreate with a Huntington's gene carrier, why not dyslexia? People want the best for their offspring, especially if they're paying. I'm sure they could recruit a dyslexic donor if requested. How about bald people, crooked teeth, bed wetting as a child, big nose, big ears ? Maybe my wife and I should not have had children, as my mother has had heart surgery, and my wife's sister died of cancer. There is no guarantee that things are going to turn out just fine for any of us. I would say that well over 90% of us have cancer or heart disease or a mental issue, somewhere in our not too distant family tree. " That's your choice. I bet if there were a market for dyslexic sperm, the banks would stock it. It clearly isn't desirable or in demand, so it's being refused. | |||
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"Is Dyslexia genetically passed on? That may be why. As far as I see it makes no difference a baby is still a baby at the end of the day will still be loved just as much am sure It's supposed to be genetic so yes, although not everyone agrees. Anyway they don't accept people with many other health conditions. It's precautionary. Hmmmmmm !! Athletic strapping blue eyed blondes rule !! The master race. Now where have we heard that before ? The simple fact is its a slippery slope when humans start becoming unrealistically selective. Personally I find it a little disturbing. Why? It'd be irresponsible to procreate with a Huntington's gene carrier, why not dyslexia? People want the best for their offspring, especially if they're paying. I'm sure they could recruit a dyslexic donor if requested. How about bald people, crooked teeth, bed wetting as a child, big nose, big ears ? Maybe my wife and I should not have had children, as my mother has had heart surgery, and my wife's sister died of cancer. There is no guarantee that things are going to turn out just fine for any of us. I would say that well over 90% of us have cancer or heart disease or a mental issue, somewhere in our not too distant family tree. That's your choice. I bet if there were a market for dyslexic sperm, the banks would stock it. It clearly isn't desirable or in demand, so it's being refused. " When it's a perfect world, with no more disease, ignorance, ugly people, then maybe we can frown on the imperfections of the past. Until then, who are we to judge another human beings worth ? | |||
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" So is there truth to the story and IF so how would they police it" put one of those signs where the words scroll across the screen quickly saying "sperm bank" above the door | |||
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"Rather interesting, what are people's thoughts on this? Tough one." Private bank - Upto them | |||
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"Some people are so narrow minded and dam right clueless!!!! reading half this shit is more fenestrating then dealing with dyslexia it's self." You need to get over it. It's just dyslexia, it's not a serious health problem (which also makes you exempt from donating sperm). Count yourself lucky it's not terminal. | |||
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"According to the sperm bank of California you have to be at least 5ft 7 to donate. " THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS, WHO DO THEY THINK ARE TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BUY! | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Possibly, but I don't think it does now a days, it's not like 20+ years ago where children who didn't keep pace with their peers were branded stupid. Every dyslexic I know is gifted in other ways, 2 of my brothers are dyslexic, 1 is a mechanic, the other a carpenter. It's not held them back. Not being held back doesn't make it a gift. It's meant they've had to work harder to get to the same point as others. No it hasn't. They've worked at their own pace to get to the point they are at now. Which for both of them is where they want to be. Doing jobs they love, for decent money. They are both doing better than myself or other 3 siblings. The same point as everybody else should be no child's goal. If it hasn't affected them and they developed exactly the same as average children, how were they diagnosed? They haven't developed exactly the same that's my point. Neither of them could read, write, etc the same as the rest of us. It took them longer. But they excelled in different areas. So where as I spent hours with my head in books, my brother whose now a mechanic spent hours building, drawing, listening. I'd read out loud. We both learnt. It's not the same for all and I think there are external factors such as the attitudes of those around a dyslexic. But it's no curse. Yeh - that's the point, isn't it. Struggling to read and write is not a gift. It makes things harder for them than for people who can read and write without issues. Oh dear with such a limited point of _iew I'd suggest you have an equal disability Not all children can learn all subjects in the same way You suggest the child is at fault because YOU decide the way daisy learns to read is the correct way for all to learn to read I saw shapes not letters , simple just like the Chinese and we all know how long it takes them to learn a vocabulary , let's see daisy learn Chinese Seeing shapes takes a little longer to establish, especially when being taught in completely tho wrong way BUT it helps with maths, physics chemistry, electronics, computer code, engineering, and oddly learning other languages all of which daisy is often pretty crap at We may have a slightly slower start but that's because our brains are more complex and possibly more able and adaptable Ok so daisy could remember stuff even write it down , but how many times did daisy question the teacher, how why if? I think it rather pathetic to judge a persons lifetime by the speed at which they appear to learn or not, at such a young age The brain is plastic and develops different skills at different times in different ways Sarah can run fast but can't do a handstand Jane can do the opposite , which one has a difficulty? This is such bollocks, stop trying to make out like we dyslexics are some kind of superior master beings. You sound like someone whose mum kept telling them something to make them feel better when they were little who hasn't grown up and realised like everyone else that they are no better than the next person. My brain is not more complex and capable than a non-dyslexic. There is no evidence to support that whatsoever. I mean proper real scientific evidence not "but some dyslexics are geniuses" No get me clear xx I'm saying dyslexics are different but equal not disabled It may be demonstrative that most humans at some point struggle learning somethings at some stage I find it upsetting you have been conditioned to blame yourself and not the systems that can teach you You've typed paragraphs on how dyslexic people are exceptional and better at interpreting things than people without it. Why would blaming the "systems that can teach" even help? It doesn't even make sense. " It seems you may have a reading and understanding disability ? I have suggested we have the potential to be , that our brains differ slightly and that does not mean , just with you (normal) (as my french philosophical teacher say s what is normal) that we can learn or excel without the correct teaching ? I really don't see how you can't understand that all humans need teaching and good teaching at that Bright normal humans do badly at poor schools and less able will reach their potential with the correct guidence Are you really saying normal people do as well as their potential regardless of environmental factors So no what I have written is clear you seem to have a specific understanding problem , please don't have children (tongue firmly in cheek ) | |||
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"Some people are so narrow minded and dam right clueless!!!! reading half this shit is more fenestrating then dealing with dyslexia it's self. You need to get over it. It's just dyslexia, it's not a serious health problem (which also makes you exempt from donating sperm). Count yourself lucky it's not terminal. " You haven't got a clue. | |||
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"Some people are so narrow minded and dam right clueless!!!! reading half this shit is more fenestrating then dealing with dyslexia it's self. You need to get over it. It's just dyslexia, it's not a serious health problem (which also makes you exempt from donating sperm). Count yourself lucky it's not terminal. " It's just dyslexia, its not a serious health problem. You're quote ? My point exactly. Where do you draw the line. | |||
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"Some people are so narrow minded and dam right clueless!!!! reading half this shit is more fenestrating then dealing with dyslexia it's self. You need to get over it. It's just dyslexia, it's not a serious health problem (which also makes you exempt from donating sperm). Count yourself lucky it's not terminal. You haven't got a clue." Yes, I do. Get a grip. | |||
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"Some people are so narrow minded and dam right clueless!!!! reading half this shit is more fenestrating then dealing with dyslexia it's self. You need to get over it. It's just dyslexia, it's not a serious health problem (which also makes you exempt from donating sperm). Count yourself lucky it's not terminal. It's just dyslexia, its not a serious health problem. You're quote ? My point exactly. Where do you draw the line." I didn't set the requirements. It's clearly sub optimal sperm in their opinion, challenge the sperm banks. | |||
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"I dont even seem to be able to comprehend what the 2 sides of the argument are on this thread "People with dyslexia are upset about not having acceptable sperm. They're pointing out how dyslexic people are geniuses and failing to understand it's seen as a condition that is less desirable to the sperm banks. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. " Makes my writing a challenge but it gives me tremendous problem solving and code writing skills. I make my living exploiting these skills. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Makes my writing a challenge but it gives me tremendous problem solving and code writing skills. I make my living exploiting these skills." Writing code and improved problem solving skills are not proven benefits of dyslexia. I think you've created a link where there isn't one. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Makes my writing a challenge but it gives me tremendous problem solving and code writing skills. I make my living exploiting these skills." Do you think you wouldn't have those skills without being dyslexic? I know plenty of people who aren't dyslexic with tremendous problem solving and coding skills. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Makes my writing a challenge but it gives me tremendous problem solving and code writing skills. I make my living exploiting these skills." You think you have great problem solving Because of your dyslexia, when in actual fact you have great problem solving skills In Spite of your dyslexia. Just because the problem solving skills came after the dyslexia diagnosis, it doesn't mean that one was caused by the other. | |||
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"I dont even seem to be able to comprehend what the 2 sides of the argument are on this thread
People with dyslexia are upset about not having acceptable sperm. They're pointing out how dyslexic people are geniuses and failing to understand it's seen as a condition that is less desirable to the sperm banks. "No, as I suggested seems you have a specific understanding problem xx The op was asking thoughts on a concept that to my knowledge had not been validated , and even if so not how they enforce it My personal standpoint is I to a degree agree with eugenics however it's a minefield and , absolute caution is required I actually think people should know if the sperm was from a dyslexic ,and rather than prevented at source , condemning our gift as a disability. Documented to give the recipient a choice Our little side debate is regarding the malicious perception that to have dyslexia is in all cases a curse that we are sub normal and the outcome of our lives is less able than non dyslexics I obviously don't think all dyslexics are geniuses just as not all none dyslexics are but I do say that society wide semantics and poor teaching methods are far more responsible for the hard ship of some than the difference itself and there are plausible positives to our mental wiring which indeed when nurtured and harnessed do counter the so called negatives , and in some cases exceed normal , As for being upset at not having acceptable sperm , lol So are you genuinely saying that clearly to my face . That I James have such a cognitive disability that I should not have children ? I'd say the debate is more a sad reflection of ignorance than of any offense to be taken | |||
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" So are you genuinely saying that clearly to my face . That I James have such a cognitive disability that I should not have children ?" No, people are saying that due to set criteria regarding sperm without any 'weakness' that you sperm is less desirable to a buyer than someone elses. It's the same for me and most others. | |||
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"Their loss Dyslexia is a gift xx In what way? Depends on your _iew not everyone has a bad life with dyslexia Yeh but it's not a gift. It makes life harder. Makes my writing a challenge but it gives me tremendous problem solving and code writing skills. I make my living exploiting these skills." Yes writing and understanding code does seem to come natural , I learnt basic , binary, hex decimal, before I could read Peter and Jane. But hey who would want my dumb fuck blond babies xxx  | |||
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"I dont even seem to be able to comprehend what the 2 sides of the argument are on this thread
People with dyslexia are upset about not having acceptable sperm. They're pointing out how dyslexic people are geniuses and failing to understand it's seen as a condition that is less desirable to the sperm banks.
No, as I suggested seems you have a specific understanding problem xx
The op was asking thoughts on a concept that to my knowledge had not been validated , and even if so not how they enforce it
My personal standpoint is
I to a degree agree with eugenics however it's a minefield and , absolute caution is required
I actually think people should know if the sperm was from a dyslexic ,and rather than prevented at source , condemning our gift as a disability. Documented to give the recipient a choice
Our little side debate is regarding the malicious perception that to have dyslexia is in all cases a curse that we are sub normal and the outcome of our lives is less able than non dyslexics
I obviously don't think all dyslexics are geniuses just as not all none dyslexics are but I do say that society wide semantics and poor teaching methods are far more responsible for the hard ship of some than the difference itself and there are plausible positives to our mental wiring which indeed when nurtured and harnessed do counter the so called negatives , and in some cases exceed normal ,
As for being upset at not having acceptable sperm , lol
So are you genuinely saying that clearly to my face . That I James have such a cognitive disability that I should not have children ?
I'd say the debate is more a sad reflection of ignorance than of any offense to be taken
"My comprehension skills are fine, you just keep insisting you're exceptional without evidence. It's also difficult to maintain interest when you're not concise. I don't care if you do or do not choose to have children. I do understand why the sperm banks have chosen to reject dyslexic donors as undesirable. It is not a personal vendetta against you, I would also be rejected if I were male but for other reasons. It is not a big deal. | |||
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" So are you genuinely saying that clearly to my face . That I James have such a cognitive disability that I should not have children ? No, people are saying that due to set criteria regarding sperm without any 'weakness' that you sperm is less desirable to a buyer than someone elses. It's the same for me and most others." That's my point lib , it should not be . It's societies misconception of the gift xxx | |||
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" So are you genuinely saying that clearly to my face . That I James have such a cognitive disability that I should not have children ? No, people are saying that due to set criteria regarding sperm without any 'weakness' that you sperm is less desirable to a buyer than someone elses. It's the same for me and most others. That's my point lib , it should not be . It's societies misconception of the gift xxx" Not a gift. | |||
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"I dont even seem to be able to comprehend what the 2 sides of the argument are on this thread
People with dyslexia are upset about not having acceptable sperm. They're pointing out how dyslexic people are geniuses and failing to understand it's seen as a condition that is less desirable to the sperm banks.
No, as I suggested seems you have a specific understanding problem xx
The op was asking thoughts on a concept that to my knowledge had not been validated , and even if so not how they enforce it
My personal standpoint is
I to a degree agree with eugenics however it's a minefield and , absolute caution is required
I actually think people should know if the sperm was from a dyslexic ,and rather than prevented at source , condemning our gift as a disability. Documented to give the recipient a choice
Our little side debate is regarding the malicious perception that to have dyslexia is in all cases a curse that we are sub normal and the outcome of our lives is less able than non dyslexics
I obviously don't think all dyslexics are geniuses just as not all none dyslexics are but I do say that society wide semantics and poor teaching methods are far more responsible for the hard ship of some than the difference itself and there are plausible positives to our mental wiring which indeed when nurtured and harnessed do counter the so called negatives , and in some cases exceed normal ,
As for being upset at not having acceptable sperm , lol
So are you genuinely saying that clearly to my face . That I James have such a cognitive disability that I should not have children ?
I'd say the debate is more a sad reflection of ignorance than of any offense to be taken
My comprehension skills are fine, you just keep insisting you're exceptional without evidence. It's also difficult to maintain interest when you're not concise.
I don't care if you do or do not choose to have children. I do understand why the sperm banks have chosen to reject dyslexic donors as undesirable. It is not a personal vendetta against you, I would also be rejected if I were male but for other reasons. It is not a big deal. "I think I'm insisting I'm not in any way more or less handicapped for the game of life than a none dyslexic , and thus yes you do keep misunderstanding And yes you are indeed suggesting if I were to pass on my dyslexia the offspring would be inferior xx | |||
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"I dont even seem to be able to comprehend what the 2 sides of the argument are on this thread
People with dyslexia are upset about not having acceptable sperm. They're pointing out how dyslexic people are geniuses and failing to understand it's seen as a condition that is less desirable to the sperm banks.
No, as I suggested seems you have a specific understanding problem xx
The op was asking thoughts on a concept that to my knowledge had not been validated , and even if so not how they enforce it
My personal standpoint is
I to a degree agree with eugenics however it's a minefield and , absolute caution is required
I actually think people should know if the sperm was from a dyslexic ,and rather than prevented at source , condemning our gift as a disability. Documented to give the recipient a choice
Our little side debate is regarding the malicious perception that to have dyslexia is in all cases a curse that we are sub normal and the outcome of our lives is less able than non dyslexics
I obviously don't think all dyslexics are geniuses just as not all none dyslexics are but I do say that society wide semantics and poor teaching methods are far more responsible for the hard ship of some than the difference itself and there are plausible positives to our mental wiring which indeed when nurtured and harnessed do counter the so called negatives , and in some cases exceed normal ,
As for being upset at not having acceptable sperm , lol
So are you genuinely saying that clearly to my face . That I James have such a cognitive disability that I should not have children ?
I'd say the debate is more a sad reflection of ignorance than of any offense to be taken
My comprehension skills are fine, you just keep insisting you're exceptional without evidence. It's also difficult to maintain interest when you're not concise.
I don't care if you do or do not choose to have children. I do understand why the sperm banks have chosen to reject dyslexic donors as undesirable. It is not a personal vendetta against you, I would also be rejected if I were male but for other reasons. It is not a big deal.
I think I'm insisting I'm not in any way more or less handicapped for the game of life than a none dyslexic , and thus yes you do keep misunderstanding
And yes you are indeed suggesting if I were to pass on my dyslexia the offspring would be inferior xx"Well, no, you're forgetting your mentioning of how much better you are at numerical things. To be honest, I don't know you so this is just going on your posts. I think your children will be at a disadvantage to others due to your insistence of problems being "special gifts". It doesn't teach coping mechanisms, it teaches them to expect special treatment. So yes, I do think your children will be inferior due to your mollycoddling and pampering, but that's not genetics, it's poor decision making. | |||
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"Did anyone actually say that dyslexics were inferior? When people go to a sperm bank for IVF they have usually gone through years of heartache and are spending a lot of money for the chance to have a baby. They want to bring a healthy child with the best possible prospects into the world. The prospective parents want their child to have the best chance in life. Dyslexia can make a person's life difficult. They want to eradicate that risk. No one is inferior to anyone in my eyes but when choosing to bring a human into the world you wouldn't want to choose someone's sperm that may heed them. " I said they were undesirable and sub optimal in the sperm bank's opinion. Clearly they know what they're being asked for in terms of quality. Clearly me saying that has hurt someone's feelings. | |||
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"I dont even seem to be able to comprehend what the 2 sides of the argument are on this thread
People with dyslexia are upset about not having acceptable sperm. They're pointing out how dyslexic people are geniuses and failing to understand it's seen as a condition that is less desirable to the sperm banks.
No, as I suggested seems you have a specific understanding problem xx
The op was asking thoughts on a concept that to my knowledge had not been validated , and even if so not how they enforce it
My personal standpoint is
I to a degree agree with eugenics however it's a minefield and , absolute caution is required
I actually think people should know if the sperm was from a dyslexic ,and rather than prevented at source , condemning our gift as a disability. Documented to give the recipient a choice
Our little side debate is regarding the malicious perception that to have dyslexia is in all cases a curse that we are sub normal and the outcome of our lives is less able than non dyslexics
I obviously don't think all dyslexics are geniuses just as not all none dyslexics are but I do say that society wide semantics and poor teaching methods are far more responsible for the hard ship of some than the difference itself and there are plausible positives to our mental wiring which indeed when nurtured and harnessed do counter the so called negatives , and in some cases exceed normal ,
As for being upset at not having acceptable sperm , lol
So are you genuinely saying that clearly to my face . That I James have such a cognitive disability that I should not have children ?
I'd say the debate is more a sad reflection of ignorance than of any offense to be taken
My comprehension skills are fine, you just keep insisting you're exceptional without evidence. It's also difficult to maintain interest when you're not concise.
I don't care if you do or do not choose to have children. I do understand why the sperm banks have chosen to reject dyslexic donors as undesirable. It is not a personal vendetta against you, I would also be rejected if I were male but for other reasons. It is not a big deal.
I think I'm insisting I'm not in any way more or less handicapped for the game of life than a none dyslexic , and thus yes you do keep misunderstanding
And yes you are indeed suggesting if I were to pass on my dyslexia the offspring would be inferior xx
Well, no, you're forgetting your mentioning of how much better you are at numerical things.
To be honest, I don't know you so this is just going on your posts. I think your children will be at a disadvantage to others due to your insistence of problems being "special gifts". It doesn't teach coping mechanisms, it teaches them to expect special treatment. So yes, I do think your children will be inferior due to your mollycoddling and pampering, but that's not genetics, it's poor decision making. "Actually thats the contrary? You're the one suggesting they are special needs and need special attention and need pampering I'm suggesting they are treated as normal given the correct education without feeling they are inferior or backwards when compared to others And at the same time showing them how to utilise the way their brain works xx It seems you don't understand how we work, x | |||
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"I dont even seem to be able to comprehend what the 2 sides of the argument are on this thread
People with dyslexia are upset about not having acceptable sperm. They're pointing out how dyslexic people are geniuses and failing to understand it's seen as a condition that is less desirable to the sperm banks.
No, as I suggested seems you have a specific understanding problem xx
The op was asking thoughts on a concept that to my knowledge had not been validated , and even if so not how they enforce it
My personal standpoint is
I to a degree agree with eugenics however it's a minefield and , absolute caution is required
I actually think people should know if the sperm was from a dyslexic ,and rather than prevented at source , condemning our gift as a disability. Documented to give the recipient a choice
Our little side debate is regarding the malicious perception that to have dyslexia is in all cases a curse that we are sub normal and the outcome of our lives is less able than non dyslexics
I obviously don't think all dyslexics are geniuses just as not all none dyslexics are but I do say that society wide semantics and poor teaching methods are far more responsible for the hard ship of some than the difference itself and there are plausible positives to our mental wiring which indeed when nurtured and harnessed do counter the so called negatives , and in some cases exceed normal ,
As for being upset at not having acceptable sperm , lol
So are you genuinely saying that clearly to my face . That I James have such a cognitive disability that I should not have children ?
I'd say the debate is more a sad reflection of ignorance than of any offense to be taken
My comprehension skills are fine, you just keep insisting you're exceptional without evidence. It's also difficult to maintain interest when you're not concise.
I don't care if you do or do not choose to have children. I do understand why the sperm banks have chosen to reject dyslexic donors as undesirable. It is not a personal vendetta against you, I would also be rejected if I were male but for other reasons. It is not a big deal.
I think I'm insisting I'm not in any way more or less handicapped for the game of life than a none dyslexic , and thus yes you do keep misunderstanding
And yes you are indeed suggesting if I were to pass on my dyslexia the offspring would be inferior xx
Well, no, you're forgetting your mentioning of how much better you are at numerical things.
To be honest, I don't know you so this is just going on your posts. I think your children will be at a disadvantage to others due to your insistence of problems being "special gifts". It doesn't teach coping mechanisms, it teaches them to expect special treatment. So yes, I do think your children will be inferior due to your mollycoddling and pampering, but that's not genetics, it's poor decision making.
Actually thats the contrary?
You're the one suggesting they are special needs and need special attention and need pampering
I'm suggesting they are treated as normal given the correct education without feeling they are inferior or backwards when compared to others
And at the same time showing them how to utilise the way their brain works xx
It seems you don't understand how we work, x "Just because you love being dyslexic doesn't mean that everyone has to. It's not a gift, it's a disability and affects people negatively. You've said is a gift, it makes life amazing and it improves a certain way of lateral thinking. That's pampering those with dyslexia. Perhaps re read what you've said. You seem to have forgotten half of it. | |||
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" That's my point lib , it should not be . It's societies misconception of the gift xxx" Its not a "gift" anymore than depression, or alcoholism, or a cleft palate is a gift. There seem to very few studies that actually show any benefits to having said "gift". I found one small study that showed that dyslexic people might be quicker at spotting MC Esher pictures were impossible, but that's about it. I understand that you may consider it an important part of your identity, and as such you wouldn't remove it from your life, but if there are large scale, peer re_iewed and repeated clinical trials proving your claims of the benefits of having dyslexia, please point them out. Otherwise I will have to believe that it is a learning disability which makes it harder to read. | |||
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" That's my point lib , it should not be . It's societies misconception of the gift xxx Its not a "gift" anymore than depression, or alcoholism, or a cleft palate is a gift. There seem to very few studies that actually show any benefits to having said "gift". I found one small study that showed that dyslexic people might be quicker at spotting MC Esher pictures were impossible, but that's about it. I understand that you may consider it an important part of your identity, and as such you wouldn't remove it from your life, but if there are large scale, peer re_iewed and repeated clinical trials proving your claims of the benefits of having dyslexia, please point them out. Otherwise I will have to believe that it is a learning disability which makes it harder to read. " Exactly. I'd choose a life with none of my health conditions for my child over a risk of having similar problems. I don't want them to struggle or suffer. It's cruel to me to ignore that and claim it's a gift to them. It's not, it's a problem. | |||
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" Its not a "gift" any more than a cleft palate is a gift." I KNEW there were times when it was acceptable to look a gift-horse in the mouth...
Don't take it personally Toaist, it's not a judgement on you, it's just like Lib says it's a purely, if slightly unsavoury, commercial decision. Us gingers were banned years ago
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" Us gingers were banned years ago
Mr ddc"And rightly fucking so! (I jest, red haired beauties of Fab come to me!) | |||
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" Us gingers were banned years ago
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And rightly fucking so!
(I jest, red haired beauties of Fab come to me!)"Oi! It's not that there's anything inherently wrong with being ginger, just that once our Scottish genes realised they paid for it, they were inundated. I even used to send Mrs ddc with a mouthful when I couldn't be bothered to go myself. | |||
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"Are people offended for realising they are less than perfect? I've got news for you..." That's what's blatantly clear. Don't shatter their delusion! | |||
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"Are people offended for realising they are less than perfect? I've got news for you... That's what's blatantly clear. Don't shatter their delusion! "Egg donours too. | |||
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"Are people offended for realising they are less than perfect? I've got news for you... That's what's blatantly clear. Don't shatter their delusion!
Egg donours too. "Donors,and yes you're correct. | |||
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"Are people offended for realising they are less than perfect? I've got news for you... That's what's blatantly clear. Don't shatter their delusion!
Egg donours too.
Donors,and yes you're correct. "Don't correct me - you've never denied a sperm donation in your life. | |||
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"I thought the idea of sperm banks was to help create life not perfection ?" It's still an industry and thus, a buyers market. If you were to spend £20k on something you really wanted, you want it to come in the best condition possible, no? | |||
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"Are dyslexic women not allowed to use sperm banks either?" I'm sure if there was actually such a demand for eggs that the same rules would apply, but there isn't. | |||
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"I thought the idea of sperm banks was to help create life not perfection ? It's still an industry and thus, a buyers market. If you were to spend £20k on something you really wanted, you want it to come in the best condition possible, no?" Fine breeding tends to bring its own flaws ... mongrels are generally less prone to illness and congenital problems than pedigree dogs. But to answer your musing, if I wanted a child that badly, I would love it no matter what and I don't believe any amount of money paid would make me love it less or more I guess 'design to order' kids just doesn't sit right with me though. | |||
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"Are dyslexic women not allowed to use sperm banks either? I'm sure if there was actually such a demand for eggs that the same rules would apply, but there isn't." I meant are women who are dyslexic allowed to use sperm from a sperm bank to have a child. | |||
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"People who are dyslexic and geniuses are not that way because of their dyslexia, they would have been geniuses anyway. I find it all a bit patronising going on about my precious special gift, which was nothing but a curse and a hindrance to me. No way I would wish it on a child. Have to agree to disagree on this. Look at the list above, and their are many many more brilliant minds throughout history who struggled to put pen to paper. I believe that the different way the brain works with dyslexia does go hand in hand with other gifts and talents. By not thinking the same way it unlocks it." Being dyslexic is shit and it holds you back. It's not a gift, it's a faliure of the brain to work properly. | |||
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"Are dyslexic women not allowed to use sperm banks either? I'm sure if there was actually such a demand for eggs that the same rules would apply, but there isn't. I meant are women who are dyslexic allowed to use sperm from a sperm bank to have a child." See above? | |||
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"There is of course the book the gift of dyslexia which has peer re_iews " You do not understand what "peer re_iew" means in this context. It doesn't mean a book on Amazon with re_iews. It means published in a peer re_iewed academic journal. | |||
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"I thought the idea of sperm banks was to help create life not perfection ? It's still an industry and thus, a buyers market. If you were to spend £20k on something you really wanted, you want it to come in the best condition possible, no? Fine breeding tends to bring its own flaws ... mongrels are generally less prone to illness and congenital problems than pedigree dogs. But to answer your musing, if I wanted a child that badly, I would love it no matter what and I don't believe any amount of money paid would make me love it less or more I guess 'design to order' kids just doesn't sit right with me though." I don't think anyone's insinuating that the child wouldn't be loved, just that during the conception of such child you would want to try and take as many precautions as possible to prevent your child from having any pain or difficulty in life. It's natural. | |||
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"I thought the idea of sperm banks was to help create life not perfection ?" Sperm banks have two main functions: 1. To preserve the sperm of men with medical conditions that mean their ability to have children in the future could be affected. 2. For couples who can't bear the thought of not being able to own children. You think the kind of people who can't possibly live without producing children really want "imperfect" in their perfect little 2.4 worlds? | |||
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