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By *wiftieeMan
over a year ago
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Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need. |
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need."
If he didn't have meaningless rhetoric and empty words then he wouldn't be a very good politician now would he! |
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need."
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By *icky999Man
over a year ago
warrington |
"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need."
tbf the indians already put their houses on stilts so they may as well spend it on nukes an shit. |
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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need."
Consecutive govts,rather than blaming only the present govt,for lack of spending on flood defences,would probably be fairer comment.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need.
Consecutive govts,rather than blaming only the present govt,for lack of spending on flood defences,would probably be fairer comment.
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Or at least heed the best advise that the data has been showing for thirty years or more....
Expect unprecedented rainfall and do something about it?...
If you don't think taxing carbon will work, at least build some fucking flood defences, and ones designed above the current guidance levels! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need.
Consecutive govts,rather than blaming only the present govt,for lack of spending on flood defences,would probably be fairer comment.
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Or at least heed the best advise that the data has been showing for thirty years or more....
Expect unprecedented rainfall and do something about it?...
If you don't think taxing carbon will work, at least build some fucking flood defences, and ones designed above the current guidance levels!"
Do you know the best way to get a cat to eat a chilli? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need.
Consecutive govts,rather than blaming only the present govt,for lack of spending on flood defences,would probably be fairer comment.
.
Or at least heed the best advise that the data has been showing for thirty years or more....
Expect unprecedented rainfall and do something about it?...
If you don't think taxing carbon will work, at least build some fucking flood defences, and ones designed above the current guidance levels!
Do you know the best way to get a cat to eat a chilli? "
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Disguise it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need.
Consecutive govts,rather than blaming only the present govt,for lack of spending on flood defences,would probably be fairer comment.
.
Or at least heed the best advise that the data has been showing for thirty years or more....
Expect unprecedented rainfall and do something about it?...
If you don't think taxing carbon will work, at least build some fucking flood defences, and ones designed above the current guidance levels!
Do you know the best way to get a cat to eat a chilli? .
Disguise it?"
Not according to Mao |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
near the sounds of the wimborne quarter jack! |
"Haven't they suffered enough ?  "
Damned if he did, damned if he didn`t! At least he wasn`t shamed into visiting like he was when the Somerset Levels (a Tory supported farming area BTW) flooded a couple or three years ago.
And to those Northerners who moan that flooding like you`ve had wouldn`t be allowed to happen "down south", don`t forget that when it last flooded, parts of Somerset were inaccessible for weeks and farmland took many months to recover.
Can`t stand the bloke though! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I thought it was funny they got all the rescue team to stand in 6" of water to shake his hand for the cameras when the road sloped uphill and was perfectly dry just a few yards away! Whoops!..... |
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need."
This tired, lazy argument again! 
Do you honestly think if foreign aid was stopped governments would use that money to improve the infrastructure of this country? House all our homeless? Feed all our hungry? Provide free child care for our children? Provide first class learning for our children? Etc...etc...
If you believe yes, then I'm with you 100%!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need."
Most of that koney has to be spent on british products or is basically bribes to do so.
And we signed up to some silly agreement to give 0.7% of gdp away a year. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need.
This tired, lazy argument again!
Do you honestly think if foreign aid was stopped governments would use that money to improve the infrastructure of this country? House all our homeless? Feed all our hungry? Provide free child care for our children? Provide first class learning for our children? Etc...etc...
If you believe yes, then I'm with you 100%!!!"
Sure they would, because all those things can be done for 0.7% of GDP, what's the education budget again? |
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need.
tbf the indians already put their houses on stilts so they may as well spend it on nukes an shit."
As far as I'm aware India doesn't want/need British money.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9061844/India-tells-Britain-We-dont-want-your-aid.html
One wonders why we keep sending them money? Slash fun for spies and Eton brats running gap yar projects? Who knows?? Eitherway love a good curry! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Missed him.
And didn't have time to reload. 
Has he ordered the bombing to start yet or are we still awaiting the vote on that ?  "
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What there bombing York!!
I suppose that's one way to cure the flooding problem...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hello all,
the one factor that hasn't been mentioned is that since the Environmental Agency was formed about twenty years ago we haven't done any river dredging, it's against EU laws, the idea being to let the rivers stay natural. Consequently they silt up and reduce the flow.
I think that it is time to re_iew and reverse some of these laws.
Alec |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Another storm is coming tomorrow.
www.metro.co.uk/2015/12/29/a-massive-storm-is-about-to-hit-the-uk-5588836/
www.metro.co.uk/2015/12/27/what-to-do-you-your-home-is-threatened-by-floods-5586482/
Useful information.
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"Hello all,
the one factor that hasn't been mentioned is that since the Environmental Agency was formed about twenty years ago we haven't done any river dredging, it's against EU laws, the idea being to let the rivers stay natural. Consequently they silt up and reduce the flow.
I think that it is time to re_iew and
reverse some of these laws.
Alec"
If you dredge (in the river-wise meaning of the word) then the water flows faster and stronger causing more erosion and hence more flooding in future years. A short sighted sticking plaster solution. Building on flood plains doesn't help nor does building non porous surfaces. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Hello all,
the one factor that hasn't been mentioned is that since the Environmental Agency was formed about twenty years ago we haven't done any river dredging, it's against EU laws, the idea being to let the rivers stay natural. Consequently they silt up and reduce the flow.
I think that it is time to re_iew and reverse some of these laws.
Alec"
Flooding is caused by many things but is not helped by modern farming methods. We need everyone to pitch in to start preventing flooding.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/13/flooding-public-spending-britain-europe-policies-homes |
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Build on flood plains.
Stop dredging rivers to save money.
Stop maintaining roads to save money.
Sell off water infrastructure to foreign companies to run as profit making businesses.
And what do you get?
20 to 25 years down the line flooding all over the place and roads collapsing when it rains. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sell off water infrastructure to foreign companies to run as profit making businesses.
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Yes, if only the state could run everything for the benefit of the people and then we could have an environmental record as good as China and the Societ Union |
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"Yes, if only the state could run everything for the benefit of the people and then we could have an environmental record as good as China and the Societ Union"
Guess you are another supporter of a total profit driven laissez faire market economy, after all it has proven itself so well decade after decade and given us so many benefits like WW1, the great depression, WW2, the winter of discontent and of course the banking crises.
I do agree that a command economy is equally undesirable, that is why I favour a mixed economy where vital infrastructure is kept in trust and run for the benefit of the nation rather than to line the pockets of a few fat cats and their corrupt merchant banker backers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need."
totaly agree with this quote |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"dammed if he went
dammed if he didn't"
As the worst prime minister in living memory, that's exactly how things should be.
If he had any shame at all, he'd never leave Number Ten to go anywhere - with the exception of dinners in the City of London. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yes, if only the state could run everything for the benefit of the people and then we could have an environmental record as good as China and the Societ Union
Guess you are another supporter of a total profit driven laissez faire market economy, after all it has proven itself so well decade after decade and given us so many benefits like WW1, the great depression, WW2, the winter of discontent and of course the banking crises.
I do agree that a command economy is equally undesirable, that is why I favour a mixed economy where vital infrastructure is kept in trust and run for the benefit of the nation rather than to line the pockets of a few fat cats and their corrupt merchant banker backers."
Evidently you've never heard of the agent-principle problem |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"dammed if he went
dammed if he didn't
As the worst prime minister in living memory, that's exactly how things should be.
If he had any shame at all, he'd never leave Number Ten to go anywhere - with the exception of dinners in the City of London."
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By *abphilMan
over a year ago
sheffield |
"Hello all,
the one factor that hasn't been mentioned is that since the Environmental Agency was formed about twenty years ago we haven't done any river dredging, it's against EU laws, the idea being to let the rivers stay natural. Consequently they silt up and reduce the flow.
I think that it is time to re_iew and reverse some of these laws.
Alec"
Well i vote Monster Raving Looney Party makes much more sense than Cameron i wont even answer any question. If he was on mastermind he would pass when he was asked his name! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"dammed if he went
dammed if he didn't
As the worst prime minister in living memory, that's exactly how things should be.
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Living memory would include Neville Chamberlain and James Callaghan |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"dammed if he went
dammed if he didn't
As the worst prime minister in living memory, that's exactly how things should be.
Living memory would include Neville Chamberlain and James Callaghan "
I think you'll be entirely unsurprised to learn that I know exactly what living memory means.
But thanks for posting!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"dammed if he went
dammed if he didn't
As the worst prime minister in living memory, that's exactly how things should be.
Living memory would include Neville Chamberlain and James Callaghan
I think you'll be entirely unsurprised to learn that I know exactly what living memory means.
But thanks for posting! "
I don't think many people feel that the country is as bad as it was in WW2 or the winter if discontent, but your posts are thought provoking. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
I don't think many people would think those events were solely down to the capacity of the current British prime minister of the time either, and as such indicators of the capacities of the individuals in question.
On the other hand, Cameron is the one prime minister who been able to demonstrate with astonishing regularity the old adage that it's often best to keep quiet and have people think you are an idiot, rather than speak and remove all doubt.
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By *abphilMan
over a year ago
sheffield |
"dammed if he went
dammed if he didn't
As the worst prime minister in living memory, that's exactly how things should be.
Living memory would include Neville Chamberlain and James Callaghan
I think you'll be entirely unsurprised to learn that I know exactly what living memory means.
But thanks for posting!
I don't think many people feel that the country is as bad as it was in WW2 or the winter if discontent, but your posts are thought provoking. "
In ww2 people were fighting for for their beliefs nothing changed, Callaghan just a whipping boy |
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"I don't think many people would think those events were solely down to the capacity of the current British prime minister of the time either, and as such indicators of the capacities of the individuals in question.
On the other hand, Cameron is the one prime minister who been able to demonstrate with astonishing regularity the old adage that it's often best to keep quiet and have people think you are an idiot, rather than speak and remove all doubt.
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Leadership isn't about mitigating circumstances though, the buck stops with someone. In Neville's case he was absolutely punked by Hitler in negotiations and got played like a mo'fo fool. That is entirely his own weakness.
I think Dave is absolutely awesome at doing as little as possible, whilst maintaining an aura of action. I do prefer that to a politician who paves the way to hell with good intentions (or principles) and I don't really trust politicians to actually be competent so it's the lesser of two evils in my eyes. |
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"dammed if he went
dammed if he didn't
As the worst prime minister in living memory, that's exactly how things should be.
Living memory would include Neville Chamberlain and James Callaghan
I think you'll be entirely unsurprised to learn that I know exactly what living memory means.
But thanks for posting!
I don't think many people feel that the country is as bad as it was in WW2 or the winter if discontent, but your posts are thought provoking.
In ww2 people were fighting for for their beliefs nothing changed, Callaghan just a whipping boy "
I'd say they were fighting because of political incompetence but each to their own. |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"I don't think many people would think those events were solely down to the capacity of the current British prime minister of the time either, and as such indicators of the capacities of the individuals in question.
On the other hand, Cameron is the one prime minister who been able to demonstrate with astonishing regularity the old adage that it's often best to keep quiet and have people think you are an idiot, rather than speak and remove all doubt.
Leadership isn't about mitigating circumstances though, the buck stops with someone. In Neville's case he was absolutely punked by Hitler in negotiations and got played like a mo'fo fool. That is entirely his own weakness.
I think Dave is absolutely awesome at doing as little as possible, whilst maintaining an aura of action. I do prefer that to a politician who paves the way to hell with good intentions (or principles) and I don't really trust politicians to actually be competent so it's the lesser of two evils in my eyes. "
Your suggestion is though that Chamberlain could somehow have avoided WW2 happening by being a better political operator. Weak or strong, the end result would have been the same. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't think many people would think those events were solely down to the capacity of the current British prime minister of the time either, and as such indicators of the capacities of the individuals in question.
On the other hand, Cameron is the one prime minister who been able to demonstrate with astonishing regularity the old adage that it's often best to keep quiet and have people think you are an idiot, rather than speak and remove all doubt.
Leadership isn't about mitigating circumstances though, the buck stops with someone. In Neville's case he was absolutely punked by Hitler in negotiations and got played like a mo'fo fool. That is entirely his own weakness.
I think Dave is absolutely awesome at doing as little as possible, whilst maintaining an aura of action. I do prefer that to a politician who paves the way to hell with good intentions (or principles) and I don't really trust politicians to actually be competent so it's the lesser of two evils in my eyes.
Your suggestion is though that Chamberlain could somehow have avoided WW2 happening by being a better political operator. Weak or strong, the end result would have been the same."
Yes that is exactly my suggestion. If you are interested, I recommend Adam Tooze's 'the wages of destruction' which is 800-odd pages of the most comprehensive evidence you could wish for that, until the very end of Chamberlains term, Nazi Germany was incredibly weak and could have been easily defeated by any of the allies acting alone. The Nazi's used skillful propoganda to make themselves look strong, when in fact they were bluffing. |
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By *abphilMan
over a year ago
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"I don't think many people would think those events were solely down to the capacity of the current British prime minister of the time either, and as such indicators of the capacities of the individuals in question.
On the other hand, Cameron is the one prime minister who been able to demonstrate with astonishing regularity the old adage that it's often best to keep quiet and have people think you are an idiot, rather than speak and remove all doubt.
Leadership isn't about mitigating circumstances though, the buck stops with someone. In Neville's case he was absolutely punked by Hitler in negotiations and got played like a mo'fo fool. That is entirely his own weakness.
I think Dave is absolutely awesome at doing as little as possible, whilst maintaining an aura of action. I do prefer that to a politician who paves the way to hell with good intentions (or principles) and I don't really trust politicians to actually be competent so it's the lesser of two evils in my eyes.
Your suggestion is though that Chamberlain could somehow have avoided WW2 happening by being a better political operator. Weak or strong, the end result would have been the same.
Yes that is exactly my suggestion. If you are interested, I recommend Adam Tooze's 'the wages of destruction' which is 800-odd pages of the most comprehensive evidence you could wish for that, until the very end of Chamberlains term, Nazi Germany was incredibly weak and could have been easily defeated by any of the allies acting alone. The Nazi's used skillful propoganda to make themselves look strong, when in fact they were bluffing. "
Livrary tomorrow very interesting never heard that before |
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need.
This tired, lazy argument again!
Do you honestly think if foreign aid was stopped governments would use that money to improve the infrastructure of this country? House all our homeless? Feed all our hungry? Provide free child care for our children? Provide first class learning for our children? Etc...etc...
If you believe yes, then I'm with you 100%!!!
Sure they would, because all those things can be done for 0.7% of GDP, what's the education budget again?"
Exactly. Such a minute quantity is given on foreign aid, yet people believe to stop it the money would fix everything! |
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By *abphilMan
over a year ago
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"Instead of empty words, and meaningless rhetoric, it might help if he stopped sending billions of pounds to corrupt governments via the Foreign Aid Budget, and countries like India who choose to spend money on a nuclear programme instead of helping their poverty stricken millions. He could then easily help his/our own country and it's people in times of real and genuine need.
This tired, lazy argument again!
Do you honestly think if foreign aid was stopped governments would use that money to improve the infrastructure of this country? House all our homeless? Feed all our hungry? Provide free child care for our children? Provide first class learning for our children? Etc...etc...
If you believe yes, then I'm with you 100%!!!
Sure they would, because all those things can be done for 0.7% of GDP, what's the education budget again?
Exactly. Such a minute quantity is given on foreign aid, yet people believe to stop it the money would fix everything!"
The bigger picture has to be look after your own first. Would you share your kids tea with a bloke begging on the corner if you didn't know where the next meal is coming from? |
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"I don't think many people would think those events were solely down to the capacity of the current British prime minister of the time either, and as such indicators of the capacities of the individuals in question.
On the other hand, Cameron is the one prime minister who been able to demonstrate with astonishing regularity the old adage that it's often best to keep quiet and have people think you are an idiot, rather than speak and remove all doubt.
Leadership isn't about mitigating circumstances though, the buck stops with someone. In Neville's case he was absolutely punked by Hitler in negotiations and got played like a mo'fo fool. That is entirely his own weakness.
I think Dave is absolutely awesome at doing as little as possible, whilst maintaining an aura of action. I do prefer that to a politician who paves the way to hell with good intentions (or principles) and I don't really trust politicians to actually be competent so it's the lesser of two evils in my eyes.
Your suggestion is though that Chamberlain could somehow have avoided WW2 happening by being a better political operator. Weak or strong, the end result would have been the same.
Yes that is exactly my suggestion. If you are interested, I recommend Adam Tooze's 'the wages of destruction' which is 800-odd pages of the most comprehensive evidence you could wish for that, until the very end of Chamberlains term, Nazi Germany was incredibly weak and could have been easily defeated by any of the allies acting alone. The Nazi's used skillful propoganda to make themselves look strong, when in fact they were bluffing.
Livrary tomorrow very interesting never heard that before"
It's won various prizes, it's more of a book of evidence than a page-turning story though! Send us a PM if you read it and let me know what you thought. |
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By *abphilMan
over a year ago
sheffield |
"I don't think many people would think those events were solely down to the capacity of the current British prime minister of the time either, and as such indicators of the capacities of the individuals in question.
On the other hand, Cameron is the one prime minister who been able to demonstrate with astonishing regularity the old adage that it's often best to keep quiet and have people think you are an idiot, rather than speak and remove all doubt.
Leadership isn't about mitigating circumstances though, the buck stops with someone. In Neville's case he was absolutely punked by Hitler in negotiations and got played like a mo'fo fool. That is entirely his own weakness.
I think Dave is absolutely awesome at doing as little as possible, whilst maintaining an aura of action. I do prefer that to a politician who paves the way to hell with good intentions (or principles) and I don't really trust politicians to actually be competent so it's the lesser of two evils in my eyes.
Your suggestion is though that Chamberlain could somehow have avoided WW2 happening by being a better political operator. Weak or strong, the end result would have been the same.
Yes that is exactly my suggestion. If you are interested, I recommend Adam Tooze's 'the wages of destruction' which is 800-odd pages of the most comprehensive evidence you could wish for that, until the very end of Chamberlains term, Nazi Germany was incredibly weak and could have been easily defeated by any of the allies acting alone. The Nazi's used skillful propoganda to make themselves look strong, when in fact they were bluffing.
Livrary tomorrow very interesting never heard that before
It's won various prizes, it's more of a book of evidence than a page-turning story though! Send us a PM if you read it and let me know what you thought. "
Will do i do the history channels etc just never heard that before, just the blitzkrieg. Cameron would be lost if he had to deal with such things. It would send him mad trying to find some way to pay for it
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"I don't think many people would think those events were solely down to the capacity of the current British prime minister of the time either, and as such indicators of the capacities of the individuals in question.
On the other hand, Cameron is the one prime minister who been able to demonstrate with astonishing regularity the old adage that it's often best to keep quiet and have people think you are an idiot, rather than speak and remove all doubt.
Leadership isn't about mitigating circumstances though, the buck stops with someone. In Neville's case he was absolutely punked by Hitler in negotiations and got played like a mo'fo fool. That is entirely his own weakness.
I think Dave is absolutely awesome at doing as little as possible, whilst maintaining an aura of action. I do prefer that to a politician who paves the way to hell with good intentions (or principles) and I don't really trust politicians to actually be competent so it's the lesser of two evils in my eyes.
Your suggestion is though that Chamberlain could somehow have avoided WW2 happening by being a better political operator. Weak or strong, the end result would have been the same.
Yes that is exactly my suggestion. If you are interested, I recommend Adam Tooze's 'the wages of destruction' which is 800-odd pages of the most comprehensive evidence you could wish for that, until the very end of Chamberlains term, Nazi Germany was incredibly weak and could have been easily defeated by any of the allies acting alone. The Nazi's used skillful propoganda to make themselves look strong, when in fact they were bluffing.
Livrary tomorrow very interesting never heard that before
It's won various prizes, it's more of a book of evidence than a page-turning story though! Send us a PM if you read it and let me know what you thought.
Will do i do the history channels etc just never heard that before, just the blitzkrieg. Cameron would be lost if he had to deal with such things. It would send him mad trying to find some way to pay for it
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1) the book was published in 2007 (relatively new for a history book)
2) it's conclusions are rather inconvenient for our History GCSE syllabus |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I don't think many people would think those events were solely down to the capacity of the current British prime minister of the time either, and as such indicators of the capacities of the individuals in question.
On the other hand, Cameron is the one prime minister who been able to demonstrate with astonishing regularity the old adage that it's often best to keep quiet and have people think you are an idiot, rather than speak and remove all doubt.
Leadership isn't about mitigating circumstances though, the buck stops with someone. In Neville's case he was absolutely punked by Hitler in negotiations and got played like a mo'fo fool. That is entirely his own weakness.
I think Dave is absolutely awesome at doing as little as possible, whilst maintaining an aura of action. I do prefer that to a politician who paves the way to hell with good intentions (or principles) and I don't really trust politicians to actually be competent so it's the lesser of two evils in my eyes.
Your suggestion is though that Chamberlain could somehow have avoided WW2 happening by being a better political operator. Weak or strong, the end result would have been the same.
Yes that is exactly my suggestion. If you are interested, I recommend Adam Tooze's 'the wages of destruction' which is 800-odd pages of the most comprehensive evidence you could wish for that, until the very end of Chamberlains term, Nazi Germany was incredibly weak and could have been easily defeated by any of the allies acting alone. The Nazi's used skillful propoganda to make themselves look strong, when in fact they were bluffing.
Livrary tomorrow very interesting never heard that before
It's won various prizes, it's more of a book of evidence than a page-turning story though! Send us a PM if you read it and let me know what you thought. "
That's totally accurate. Another fascinating book is: If the Allies had Fallen - it's counterfactual history essays, but does make some rather good points.  |
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"Evidently you've never heard of the agent-principle problem "
Are you suggesting that self interest does not occur in a profit driven economy? If so you are delusional and totally misguided. To be clear the US sub-prime selling scandal that caused the world banking crisis and the continual artificial manipulation of markets for personal gain is proof of your failure to understand the agent principle problem. |
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"Evidently you've never heard of the agent-principle problem
Are you suggesting that self interest does not occur in a profit driven economy? If so you are delusional and totally misguided. To be clear the US sub-prime selling scandal that caused the world banking crisis and the continual artificial manipulation of markets for personal gain is proof of your failure to understand the agent principle problem. "
Quite the opposite my man, I'm saying that self interest occurs in both the public and private sector. But in neither case does anything get run for the greater good. |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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"Hello all,
the one factor that hasn't been mentioned is that since the Environmental Agency was formed about twenty years ago we haven't done any river dredging, it's against EU laws, the idea being to let the rivers stay natural. Consequently they silt up and reduce the flow.
I think that it is time to re_iew and
reverse some of these laws.
Alec
If you dredge (in the river-wise meaning of the word) then the water flows faster and stronger causing more erosion and hence more flooding in future years. A short sighted sticking plaster solution. Building on flood plains doesn't help nor does building non porous surfaces. "
In the case of the Somerset Levels floods a couple or three years ago, an area which by age old design was constructed to exist with regular drainage maintenance, stopping all of the work caused more problems! Well maintained banks don`t necessarily erode, fallen trees, silt build-ups do alter the course of the flow which is very damaging! |
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By *abphilMan
over a year ago
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"Evidently you've never heard of the agent-principle problem
Are you suggesting that self interest does not occur in a profit driven economy? If so you are delusional and totally misguided. To be clear the US sub-prime selling scandal that caused the world banking crisis and the continual artificial manipulation of markets for personal gain is proof of your failure to understand the agent principle problem.
Quite the opposite my man, I'm saying that self interest occurs in both the public and private sector. But in neither case does anything get run for the greater good. "
Disagree very strongly, i live alone and the running of the house is for my greater good |
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"Evidently you've never heard of the agent-principle problem
Are you suggesting that self interest does not occur in a profit driven economy? If so you are delusional and totally misguided. To be clear the US sub-prime selling scandal that caused the world banking crisis and the continual artificial manipulation of markets for personal gain is proof of your failure to understand the agent principle problem.
Quite the opposite my man, I'm saying that self interest occurs in both the public and private sector. But in neither case does anything get run for the greater good.
Disagree very strongly, i live alone and the running of the house is for my greater good "
You accidentally made my point for me - you are the principle and don't employ an agent to run your home! |
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