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Anyway, I'm just interested in knowing if any Fabbers are religious. It does seem like the sort of thing that would be frowned upon! But then I guess that's what confession is for  | |||
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"I don't call it a religion but I follow a spiritual path, yes. I wouldn't dream of trying to persuade anybody else to follow it and I only talk about it if asked directly." A bit like swinging then! | |||
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Not religious now, never was that enthusiastic about in the first place. There are some religious people on here though, i know they've mentioned it before (can't remember names). | |||
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"I don't call it a religion but I follow a spiritual path, yes. I wouldn't dream of trying to persuade anybody else to follow it and I only talk about it if asked directly. A bit like swinging then! " A bit but I've never found swinging to be spiritual | |||
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"Total atheist here. I go up in flames if I go in a church "same here but we greedy as we want the free toasting fork | |||
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"Agnostic myself, you can have faith without the guilt trip that the church has put on people for hundreds of years. Life is for living so enjoy it...... "Like how you've put that! Its like you can be a good person without following a religion. Morals and kindess aren't religious. "One Christian and one Buddhist here " Oooo interesting! Is the Fab lifestyle not a bit against the rules though? | |||
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"Jedi with a touch of pagan.....although sometimes Pagan with a touch of jedi "May the force be with you then on this joyous week of the release of the new movie! Must be better than Christmas for you? | |||
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"Gloriously pagan ! Heathen to be exact so just doin as My Lady Freya would "Go girl X | |||
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"They are here, but generally it's not relevant on a meet so doubt they stick it on their profile. " Oh yes of course. Its not something I'm bothered about with a meet. Its kind of like a cock. They can do what they want with it as long as they don't try and ram it down my throat | |||
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"I don't call it a religion but I follow a spiritual path, yes. I wouldn't dream of trying to persuade anybody else to follow it and I only talk about it if asked directly." similar ish for me, i have respect for those who do good for others less fortunate regardless of whether that's under the influence of religion or not.. | |||
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"I don't call it a religion but I follow a spiritual path, yes. I wouldn't dream of trying to persuade anybody else to follow it and I only talk about it if asked directly. similar ish for me, i have respect for those who do good for others less fortunate regardless of whether that's under the influence of religion or not.. " My aunt was a dyed in the wool socialist who didn't believe in God or religion (until she was dying but thats another story ) and she gave of herself in time and money more than anyone else I know. | |||
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"I don't call it a religion but I follow a spiritual path, yes. I wouldn't dream of trying to persuade anybody else to follow it and I only talk about it if asked directly. similar ish for me, i have respect for those who do good for others less fortunate regardless of whether that's under the influence of religion or not.. My aunt was a dyed in the wool socialist who didn't believe in God or religion (until she was dying but thats another story ) and she gave of herself in time and money more than anyone else I know."it often puzzles me that some will use their religion as the only reason they have a 'moral code' and that others not religious are lacking something in their life.. | |||
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"Agnostic myself, you can have faith without the guilt trip that the church has put on people for hundreds of years. Life is for living so enjoy it...... " | |||
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"Agnostic myself, you can have faith without the guilt trip that the church has put on people for hundreds of years. Life is for living so enjoy it......
Like how you've put that! Its like you can be a good person without following a religion. Morals and kindess aren't religious.
One Christian and one Buddhist here
Oooo interesting! Is the Fab lifestyle not a bit against the rules though?"Well no one follows ALL the rules, it's impossible, especially in the modern world. For example have you ever seen the Archbishop of Canterbury stone to death an adulterer, or kill someone for picking up sticks on the sabbath or for disrespecting their parents? So instead of trying to follow every single rules, I try to live in the spirit of Jesus. By this I mean be kind to people I meet, to work for the benefit of others, put the needs of others before the needs of my own, and to try to make the world a better place when I leave it, than when I found it. Obviously some people do this without religion, but I find that it helps to steer me in the right direction. Also I like to believe that there is an after life, which is different to non spirtual people. | |||
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"We don't need a bible, just one phrase Try not to be a cunt "Probably the most important advice ever. | |||
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"Agnostic myself, you can have faith without the guilt trip that the church has put on people for hundreds of years. Life is for living so enjoy it......
Like how you've put that! Its like you can be a good person without following a religion. Morals and kindess aren't religious.
One Christian and one Buddhist here
Oooo interesting! Is the Fab lifestyle not a bit against the rules though?
Well no one follows ALL the rules, it's impossible, especially in the modern world. For example have you ever seen the Archbishop of Canterbury stone to death an adulterer, or kill someone for picking up sticks on the sabbath or for disrespecting their parents?
So instead of trying to follow every single rules, I try to live in the spirit of Jesus. By this I mean be kind to people I meet, to work for the benefit of others, put the needs of others before the needs of my own, and to try to make the world a better place when I leave it, than when I found it. Obviously some people do this without religion, but I find that it helps to steer me in the right direction. Also I like to believe that there is an after life, which is different to non spirtual people.
"Is that more a moral standpoint than a religious one, on the whole? | |||
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"I was just on the bus home and a cute American guy asks if he can sit down next to me. I'm thinking score! We start chatting about random things like the Nandos takeaway I had and the weather today. Then he starts to bring the conversation towards an obvious goal and get a little black book out of his pocket ... turns on he's a Mormon and wanted to talk to me about it lol. I didn't really give him a chance bless him. I'm agnostic and religions have never made sense to me. So I talked to him about how I'm bi and have many wonderful bi/gay friends. I think he got a little overwhelmed as I can talk for England. Sadly I didnt get a chance to tell him about Fab before my stop Maybe could have converted him
Anyway, I'm just interested in knowing if any Fabbers are religious. It does seem like the sort of thing that would be frowned upon! But then I guess that's what confession is for ". Yes . I am an Anglican and religion has achieved many good things in life . | |||
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"Agnostic myself, you can have faith without the guilt trip that the church has put on people for hundreds of years. Life is for living so enjoy it......
Like how you've put that! Its like you can be a good person without following a religion. Morals and kindess aren't religious.
One Christian and one Buddhist here
Oooo interesting! Is the Fab lifestyle not a bit against the rules though?
Well no one follows ALL the rules, it's impossible, especially in the modern world. For example have you ever seen the Archbishop of Canterbury stone to death an adulterer, or kill someone for picking up sticks on the sabbath or for disrespecting their parents?
So instead of trying to follow every single rules, I try to live in the spirit of Jesus. By this I mean be kind to people I meet, to work for the benefit of others, put the needs of others before the needs of my own, and to try to make the world a better place when I leave it, than when I found it. Obviously some people do this without religion, but I find that it helps to steer me in the right direction. Also I like to believe that there is an after life, which is different to non spirtual people.
". A good post . I prefer to judge the churches on all the good things that they have achieved as opposed to a few bad points | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours" . How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours" I think all religions are untrue, there are no gods (it makes no sense), but no. People would still be awful to each other even if religion vanished tomorrow. They would just find another excuse. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours" The root of all evil is 25.8069758011 | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours I think all religions are untrue, there are no gods (it makes no sense), but no. People would still be awful to each other even if religion vanished tomorrow. They would just find another excuse. " Exactly. They'd just use something else to validate their poor behaviour. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours" *Humans* are the root cause of lots of things that are wrong in this world of ours. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . " Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours *Humans* are the root cause of lots of things that are wrong in this world of ours." yeah, 'radicalised humans' | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours" No. It's people. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours *Humans* are the root cause of lots of things that are wrong in this world of ours." | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours No. It's people." Yeah people who murder, rape and terrorise in the name of religion | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours No. It's people. Yeah people who murder, rape and terrorise in the name of religion" And the people who murder, rape, and terrorise *not* in the name of religion. | |||
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"I was baptised and raised catholic but questioned it all throughout childhood especially when I had to learn the caticism, I quit doing my first holy communion at the first confession point and have been of no religion since then however recently I've been reading a lot of translations from the Sumerian tablets and I'm certain all religions are based on what they wrote about the ananu gods who came to earth and created us and I find that fascinating texts from 4000 years ago and longer detailing ivf treatment and celestial chariots and allsorts of other stuff, wouldn't say that's my religion now but it certainly makes the most sense, tells the classic bible tales we all know too like Adam and eve and Noah's ark and so on. Anyway I'll stop rambling now haha. Peach" | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world" Please tell us about the religious causes of world war two? | |||
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"I was just on the bus home and a cute American guy asks if he can sit down next to me. I'm thinking score! We start chatting about random things like the Nandos takeaway I had and the weather today. Then he starts to bring the conversation towards an obvious goal and get a little black book out of his pocket ... turns on he's a Mormon and wanted to talk to me about it lol. I didn't really give him a chance bless him. I'm agnostic and religions have never made sense to me. So I talked to him about how I'm bi and have many wonderful bi/gay friends. I think he got a little overwhelmed as I can talk for England. Sadly I didnt get a chance to tell him about Fab before my stop Maybe could have converted him
Anyway, I'm just interested in knowing if any Fabbers are religious. It does seem like the sort of thing that would be frowned upon! But then I guess that's what confession is for "thank god for making me an atheist. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world" So when the Soviet Union takes over territory, it becuase of their religious beliefs? One learns something new here everyday | |||
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"My family is Catholic........ I'm clearly not but I respect them and behave discreetly "I would give an arm to tap that lovely "catholic" booty of yours. | |||
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"Can I tell you about my Lord and Saviour Ashtaroth? "He's a sweetheart but has terrible breath | |||
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"I'm an atheist to my core. I've no time for religions or religious people and I don't apologise for it " | |||
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"I am a pagan. Xx" Merry meet honey x | |||
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"We don't need a bible, just one phrase Try not to be a cunt
Probably the most important advice ever."Definitely one everyone should follow | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours *Humans* are the root cause of lots of things that are wrong in this world of ours. yeah, 'radicalised humans'" Religion or -isms have frequently been an excuse for Millenarianism. It's just whatever toot you decide to dress your murder up in. | |||
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"We don't need a bible, just one phrase Try not to be a cunt
Probably the most important advice ever.
Definitely one everyone should follow "
My little old lady friend™ has a poster in her kitchen with the Buddha in the classic pose, with the words:
"Buddha says, Try not to be a cunt."
Wise words. | |||
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"Well, I grew up with an abundance of religion. One thing I have struggled to come to terms with is that there is a loving and FAIR God who created all people but CHOSE Israelites as HIS OWN. " When I have a question like this I always turn to internet forums for their infinite wisdom, some people here are so clever they can boil a complex issue like religion into a one line judgement. I'd much rather listen to them than ask someone who has actually studied these issues like a priest, rabbi or imam. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world" Really? Ukraine? The Iraq war? Afghanistan? Daesh and the wider Syrian civil war? WWII? Korea? Vietnam? Falklands? Suez? WWI? Sierra Leone? Somalia? Actually, instead of me listing the wars that AREN'T caused by religion, why dont you tell me which ones have been, in say the last 100 years. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world Really? Ukraine? The Iraq war? Afghanistan? Daesh and the wider Syrian civil war? WWII? Korea? Vietnam? Falklands? Suez? WWI? Sierra Leone? Somalia? Actually, instead of me listing the wars that AREN'T caused by religion, why dont you tell me which ones have been, in say the last 100 years. " Ironically most of the ones that happened over 100 years ago were happening before the seperation of church and state, so I'm always interested how such scholars manage to divide the two so easily and apportion the blame on one side at a time when being an atheist bishop wasn't a contradiction in terms. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world So when the Soviet Union takes over territory, it becuase of their religious beliefs? One learns something new here everyday" The Soviet Union? Was 1989 just a figment of the worlds' imagination? To answer the OP though: Atheist, although people have assumed that I am a pagan because of my tattoos. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world So when the Soviet Union takes over territory, it becuase of their religious beliefs? One learns something new here everyday The Soviet Union? Was 1989 just a figment of the worlds' imagination? To answer the OP though: Atheist, although people have assumed that I am a pagan because of my tattoos. " Well did the soviet union invade Afghanistan for religious reasons or not? | |||
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"We don't need a bible, just one phrase Try not to be a cunt "I keep trying but fail every time | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world So when the Soviet Union takes over territory, it becuase of their religious beliefs? One learns something new here everyday The Soviet Union? Was 1989 just a figment of the worlds' imagination? To answer the OP though: Atheist, although people have assumed that I am a pagan because of my tattoos. Well did the soviet union invade Afghanistan for religious reasons or not? " Course not - but that wasn't my point. The post is in the present tense, and the USSR no longer exists. | |||
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"The only thing worse than someone trying to convert you to their religion, is someone trying to tell you how not having religion is better. The fact is, religion has given the world more than it has taken away. Nearly every great scientific and artistic leap forward taken by man was done so by religious people searching for god. In fact the most amazing minds the world has ever known have all been religious. I know I am more blown away by the compossers of old to the justin biebers, to the painters of old to banksy. To the scientists of old to the engineers of the iphone. Without religion the things people do and make loses it soul. As for the old argument that religion starts wars, well thats not really true. Money, greed, land, power start wars. When all of Europe was catholic france and england went to war, if you think Ireland and England had a problem over religion its short sighted, if you think the catholics marched on the muslim world for religion, then you need to realise they marched for money and power. Even ISIS largely operate just for money, they make over 800 million dollars a year, the local war lords are paid well. I cant think of a single conflict in the history of man that was purely religious. When it comes to war we draw a line in the sand "Them" vs "Us" and often one of the main differences, but not always, is religion. We can then use this to identify the enemy. But its a load of nonsense, we just want their land, their money, their resources. I'm atheist, but I recognise that religion is an amazing thing." Goodness that was a decent response. I almost fell over! See you can be an atheist without making up bullshit to justify your position. | |||
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"Aren't folk NOT supposed to covet people's wives? (saying that the king James bible says pork is unclean and not to be eaten and most happily ignore that bit) Just a thought... I don't know enough to be sure how being actively religious effects how people can behave in this lifestyle but i'd be interested in hearing how the two fit together "Well you could start by reading CLCC's explanation earlier that I felt was pretty clear. If that doesn't satisfy you then go ask a priest where consentual adultery ranks among all the things you could do wrong | |||
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"I don't call it a religion but I follow a spiritual path, yes. I wouldn't dream of trying to persuade anybody else to follow it and I only talk about it if asked directly." Agree | |||
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"I am a poochist , he made me type this lol. "Thank goodness for the letter 'c' | |||
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"Aren't folk NOT supposed to covet people's wives? (saying that the king James bible says pork is unclean and not to be eaten and most happily ignore that bit) Just a thought... I don't know enough to be sure how being actively religious effects how people can behave in this lifestyle but i'd be interested in hearing how the two fit together
Well you could start by reading CLCC's explanation earlier that I felt was pretty clear. If that doesn't satisfy you then go ask a priest where consentual adultery ranks among all the things you could do wrong"Didn't read the whole thread. Speaking of thread, bible says we can't wear mixed fabric! That's me stuffed...and I can eat pork, or lie with another man.... By 'eck 
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"Aren't folk NOT supposed to covet people's wives? (saying that the king James bible says pork is unclean and not to be eaten and most happily ignore that bit) Just a thought... I don't know enough to be sure how being actively religious effects how people can behave in this lifestyle but i'd be interested in hearing how the two fit together
Well you could start by reading CLCC's explanation earlier that I felt was pretty clear. If that doesn't satisfy you then go ask a priest where consentual adultery ranks among all the things you could do wrong
Didn't read the whole thread.
Speaking of thread, bible says we can't wear mixed fabric! That's me stuffed...and I can eat pork, or lie with another man....
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"Well the old testament says that, it says a lot of stuff. Jesus actually had very little to say about sex... it sort of seems like he had more important objectives? Anyway, Jesus = new covenant, old testament = old covenant, therefore Christians shouldn't get too concerned about the old testament, biggest theological mistake the Church ever made was putting that bloody thing as a preface! Most catholic priests openly dislike the bible and would tell you to ignore most of what isn't in the gospels. Believe me, there's not much about sex in the gospels... | |||
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"Aren't folk NOT supposed to covet people's wives? (saying that the king James bible says pork is unclean and not to be eaten and most happily ignore that bit) Just a thought... I don't know enough to be sure how being actively religious effects how people can behave in this lifestyle but i'd be interested in hearing how the two fit together
Well you could start by reading CLCC's explanation earlier that I felt was pretty clear. If that doesn't satisfy you then go ask a priest where consentual adultery ranks among all the things you could do wrong
Didn't read the whole thread.
Speaking of thread, bible says we can't wear mixed fabric! That's me stuffed...and I can eat pork, or lie with another man....
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Well the old testament says that, it says a lot of stuff. Jesus actually had very little to say about sex... it sort of seems like he had more important objectives? Anyway, Jesus = new covenant, old testament = old covenant, therefore Christians shouldn't get too concerned about the old testament, biggest theological mistake the Church ever made was putting that bloody thing as a preface! Most catholic priests openly dislike the bible and would tell you to ignore most of what isn't in the gospels. Believe me, there's not much about sex in the gospels... "Maybe, but it's all the other rules in there. I'll stay as I am, I won't join a religion just to pick out and follow the bits I like and ignore the bits I don't... Seems religion is good at turning a blind eye to it's own written rules :/ I dunno, this subject isn't my forte but having barely scratched the surface it's full of contradictions and rules that conveniently don't apply now I dunno, perhaps it's just me being a bit ignorant on the subject | |||
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"Aren't folk NOT supposed to covet people's wives? (saying that the king James bible says pork is unclean and not to be eaten and most happily ignore that bit) Just a thought... I don't know enough to be sure how being actively religious effects how people can behave in this lifestyle but i'd be interested in hearing how the two fit together
Well you could start by reading CLCC's explanation earlier that I felt was pretty clear. If that doesn't satisfy you then go ask a priest where consentual adultery ranks among all the things you could do wrong
Didn't read the whole thread.
Speaking of thread, bible says we can't wear mixed fabric! That's me stuffed...and I can eat pork, or lie with another man....
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Well the old testament says that, it says a lot of stuff. Jesus actually had very little to say about sex... it sort of seems like he had more important objectives? Anyway, Jesus = new covenant, old testament = old covenant, therefore Christians shouldn't get too concerned about the old testament, biggest theological mistake the Church ever made was putting that bloody thing as a preface! Most catholic priests openly dislike the bible and would tell you to ignore most of what isn't in the gospels. Believe me, there's not much about sex in the gospels... "Exactly this. . | |||
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"Aren't folk NOT supposed to covet people's wives? (saying that the king James bible says pork is unclean and not to be eaten and most happily ignore that bit) Just a thought... I don't know enough to be sure how being actively religious effects how people can behave in this lifestyle but i'd be interested in hearing how the two fit together
Well you could start by reading CLCC's explanation earlier that I felt was pretty clear. If that doesn't satisfy you then go ask a priest where consentual adultery ranks among all the things you could do wrong
Didn't read the whole thread.
Speaking of thread, bible says we can't wear mixed fabric! That's me stuffed...and I can eat pork, or lie with another man....
By 'eck
Well the old testament says that, it says a lot of stuff. Jesus actually had very little to say about sex... it sort of seems like he had more important objectives? Anyway, Jesus = new covenant, old testament = old covenant, therefore Christians shouldn't get too concerned about the old testament, biggest theological mistake the Church ever made was putting that bloody thing as a preface! Most catholic priests openly dislike the bible and would tell you to ignore most of what isn't in the gospels. Believe me, there's not much about sex in the gospels...
Maybe, but it's all the other rules in there.
I'll stay as I am, I won't join a religion just to pick out and follow the bits I like and ignore the bits I don't...
Seems religion is good at turning a blind eye to it's own written rules :/
I dunno, this subject isn't my forte but having barely scratched the surface it's full of contradictions and rules that conveniently don't apply now
I dunno, perhaps it's just me being a bit ignorant on the subject "As far as I am concerned, the implications of religion have more to do with the acts of the organisation than its followers. Ergo, not a fan. You can argue bible semantics all day to condone or disapprove of almost any behaviour, so you might as well judge the various churches by their actions. | |||
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"Aren't folk NOT supposed to covet people's wives? (saying that the king James bible says pork is unclean and not to be eaten and most happily ignore that bit) Just a thought... I don't know enough to be sure how being actively religious effects how people can behave in this lifestyle but i'd be interested in hearing how the two fit together
Well you could start by reading CLCC's explanation earlier that I felt was pretty clear. If that doesn't satisfy you then go ask a priest where consentual adultery ranks among all the things you could do wrong
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Speaking of thread, bible says we can't wear mixed fabric! That's me stuffed...and I can eat pork, or lie with another man....
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Well the old testament says that, it says a lot of stuff. Jesus actually had very little to say about sex... it sort of seems like he had more important objectives? Anyway, Jesus = new covenant, old testament = old covenant, therefore Christians shouldn't get too concerned about the old testament, biggest theological mistake the Church ever made was putting that bloody thing as a preface! Most catholic priests openly dislike the bible and would tell you to ignore most of what isn't in the gospels. Believe me, there's not much about sex in the gospels...
Maybe, but it's all the other rules in there.
I'll stay as I am, I won't join a religion just to pick out and follow the bits I like and ignore the bits I don't...
Seems religion is good at turning a blind eye to it's own written rules :/
I dunno, this subject isn't my forte but having barely scratched the surface it's full of contradictions and rules that conveniently don't apply now
I dunno, perhaps it's just me being a bit ignorant on the subject "I have no interesting in trying to change what you believe, you seem reasonable and you're not sprouting rubbish (still waiting to hear about how WW2 was started by religion though). I was very complimentary about an atheist above who stated his position well. I think contradiction is part of the human condition. Religion isn't my specialist subject, I know some 101 facts but history and economics are my mastermind subjects. Quite a few people who consider themselves to have the "rational" view on religion have some very irrational political views on here. That's a contradiction in my opinion. It's a very western thing to be preoccupied with rules, other parts of the world - not so much. | |||
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"Aren't folk NOT supposed to covet people's wives? (saying that the king James bible says pork is unclean and not to be eaten and most happily ignore that bit) Just a thought... I don't know enough to be sure how being actively religious effects how people can behave in this lifestyle but i'd be interested in hearing how the two fit together
Well you could start by reading CLCC's explanation earlier that I felt was pretty clear. If that doesn't satisfy you then go ask a priest where consentual adultery ranks among all the things you could do wrong
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Speaking of thread, bible says we can't wear mixed fabric! That's me stuffed...and I can eat pork, or lie with another man....
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Well the old testament says that, it says a lot of stuff. Jesus actually had very little to say about sex... it sort of seems like he had more important objectives? Anyway, Jesus = new covenant, old testament = old covenant, therefore Christians shouldn't get too concerned about the old testament, biggest theological mistake the Church ever made was putting that bloody thing as a preface! Most catholic priests openly dislike the bible and would tell you to ignore most of what isn't in the gospels. Believe me, there's not much about sex in the gospels...
Maybe, but it's all the other rules in there.
I'll stay as I am, I won't join a religion just to pick out and follow the bits I like and ignore the bits I don't...
Seems religion is good at turning a blind eye to it's own written rules :/
I dunno, this subject isn't my forte but having barely scratched the surface it's full of contradictions and rules that conveniently don't apply now
I dunno, perhaps it's just me being a bit ignorant on the subject
I have no interesting in trying to change what you believe, you seem reasonable and you're not sprouting rubbish (still waiting to hear about how WW2 was started by religion though). I was very complimentary about an atheist above who stated his position well.
I think contradiction is part of the human condition. Religion isn't my specialist subject, I know some 101 facts but history and economics are my mastermind subjects. Quite a few people who consider themselves to have the "rational" view on religion have some very irrational political views on here. That's a contradiction in my opinion.
It's a very western thing to be preoccupied with rules, other parts of the world - not so much. "I wasn't suggesting you were
As I say, I know very little about it so I'm just kinda sounding stuff out as I go on this thread...
I think I have a rational view on it, my view being I don't know alot...
It's just the way I see things as I read them.
I always believed that rules were quite strong on religion, and not subject to changes by it's followers, that would be like playing golf and changing a rule half way through the game because it suited you more now? (bad analogy I know)
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" I always believed that rules were quite strong on religion, and not subject to changes by it's followers, that would be like playing golf and changing a rule half way through the game because it suited you more now? (bad analogy I know) I was brought up Greek orthodox, a religion from the rest of the world, and they're pretty damned strict on stuff. " To be honest I can't imagine an organisation that survives without adapting, furthermore, not all rules are equally important. You can try this yourself; go to a Catholic confession and tell the priest you murdered a man and see what response you get. Got back the next day, change your accent and tell him you are a swinger and a I bet he says "thank fuck for that, we had a murderer in here yesterday" | |||
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"We don't need a bible, just one phrase Try not to be a cunt
Probably the most important advice ever.
Definitely one everyone should follow
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"Buddha says, Try not to be a cunt."
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"The only thing worse than someone trying to convert you to their religion, is someone trying to tell you how not having religion is better. The fact is, religion has given the world more than it has taken away. Nearly every great scientific and artistic leap forward taken by man was done so by religious people searching for god. In fact the most amazing minds the world has ever known have all been religious. I know I am more blown away by the compossers of old to the justin biebers, to the painters of old to banksy. To the scientists of old to the engineers of the iphone. Without religion the things people do and make loses it soul. As for the old argument that religion starts wars, well thats not really true. Money, greed, land, power start wars. When all of Europe was catholic france and england went to war, if you think Ireland and England had a problem over religion its short sighted, if you think the catholics marched on the muslim world for religion, then you need to realise they marched for money and power. Even ISIS largely operate just for money, they make over 800 million dollars a year, the local war lords are paid well. I cant think of a single conflict in the history of man that was purely religious. When it comes to war we draw a line in the sand "Them" vs "Us" and often one of the main differences, but not always, is religion. We can then use this to identify the enemy. But its a load of nonsense, we just want their land, their money, their resources. I'm atheist, but I recognise that religion is an amazing thing." Great response! | |||
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"We don't need a bible, just one phrase Try not to be a cunt
Probably the most important advice ever.
Definitely one everyone should follow
My little old lady friend™ has a poster in her kitchen with the Buddha in the classic pose, with the words:
"Buddha says, Try not to be a cunt."
Wise words.
Simple yet to the point"The problem is that nobody really identifies as being a cunt do they. Hitlers CV probably said "calculated risk taker, fairly reasonable guy with strong personal beliefs". As they say, any man that doesn't list 'masturbation' under 'hobbies' is a liar. It's like when fab profiles say "no timewasters please" - do they expect someone to go "oh yeah I'm a timewaster, best not message them"? | |||
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" I always believed that rules were quite strong on religion, and not subject to changes by it's followers, that would be like playing golf and changing a rule half way through the game because it suited you more now? (bad analogy I know) I was brought up Greek orthodox, a religion from the rest of the world, and they're pretty damned strict on stuff. To be honest I can't imagine an organisation that survives without adapting, furthermore, not all rules are equally important. You can try this yourself; go to a Catholic confession and tell the priest you murdered a man and see what response you get. Got back the next day, change your accent and tell him you are a swinger and a I bet he says "thank fuck for that, we had a murderer in here yesterday" " Who decided which rules were less important? I dunno...there's something deep down that just screams 'sham' to me.... It's too flim flam and watery... You know when you just know something is a scam? And which religion is right? They all claim to be... Again, that's my gut instinct, and my gut I believe more than any book/scripture etc... There's just nothing that makes sense or makes me believe.. I guess that's my part said really, it's not for me... If it makes others feel better then run with it, billions of people do and are happy because of it so | |||
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" I always believed that rules were quite strong on religion, and not subject to changes by it's followers, that would be like playing golf and changing a rule half way through the game because it suited you more now? (bad analogy I know) I was brought up Greek orthodox, a religion from the rest of the world, and they're pretty damned strict on stuff. To be honest I can't imagine an organisation that survives without adapting, furthermore, not all rules are equally important. You can try this yourself; go to a Catholic confession and tell the priest you murdered a man and see what response you get. Got back the next day, change your accent and tell him you are a swinger and a I bet he says "thank fuck for that, we had a murderer in here yesterday" Who decided which rules were less important? I dunno...there's something deep down that just screams 'sham' to me.... It's too flim flam and watery... You know when you just know something is a scam? And which religion is right? They all claim to be... Again, that's my gut instinct, and my gut I believe more than any book/scripture etc... There's just nothing that makes sense or makes me believe.. I guess that's my part said really, it's not for me... If it makes others feel better then run with it, billions of people do and are happy because of it so "Who decides which rules are more important? The same people who decided which books made it into the bible and which ones didn't! Jesus didn't write it you know! I can't tell you which is right and which is wrong? It's like asking me which politician is it right to vote for and which is wrong - depends on your personal values. | |||
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" I always believed that rules were quite strong on religion, and not subject to changes by it's followers, that would be like playing golf and changing a rule half way through the game because it suited you more now? (bad analogy I know) I was brought up Greek orthodox, a religion from the rest of the world, and they're pretty damned strict on stuff. To be honest I can't imagine an organisation that survives without adapting, furthermore, not all rules are equally important. You can try this yourself; go to a Catholic confession and tell the priest you murdered a man and see what response you get. Got back the next day, change your accent and tell him you are a swinger and a I bet he says "thank fuck for that, we had a murderer in here yesterday" Who decided which rules were less important? I dunno...there's something deep down that just screams 'sham' to me.... It's too flim flam and watery... You know when you just know something is a scam? And which religion is right? They all claim to be... Again, that's my gut instinct, and my gut I believe more than any book/scripture etc... There's just nothing that makes sense or makes me believe.. I guess that's my part said really, it's not for me... If it makes others feel better then run with it, billions of people do and are happy because of it so
Who decides which rules are more important? The same people who decided which books made it into the bible and which ones didn't! Jesus didn't write it you know!
I can't tell you which is right and which is wrong? It's like asking me which politician is it right to vote for and which is wrong - depends on your personal values. "sorry, I wasn't asking for answers, the questions were more rhetorical than me expecting you to know...I'm treating you as a sounding board almost. That's another thing I suppose... We only know the bits we know and what's made it this far if that's made sense...somebody has decided what we should hear and what we shouldn't and put it in a book which makes it man made to my eyes and little to do with a god. It feels more like a system of control, man made books and rules for other men to follow. and I guess nobody can tell me which is right, it's just what one person chooses to believe over another. That plus all the bits about following god and if you don't do the right thing you go to hell or whatever...BUT he loves you...that just sounds like an abusive relationship! But again, one I don't understand so my argument there is founded on very little I admit. I don't think I'll ever truly understand it... Bloody interesting topic of discussion though May buy a bible and have a read | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world So when the Soviet Union takes over territory, it becuase of their religious beliefs? One learns something new here everyday" How can something that does not exist take over anything? It has been almost 30 years, come on! | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world So when the Soviet Union takes over territory, it becuase of their religious beliefs? One learns something new here everyday The Soviet Union? Was 1989 just a figment of the worlds' imagination? To answer the OP though: Atheist, although people have assumed that I am a pagan because of my tattoos. " 1991-1992. | |||
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"Well, I grew up with an abundance of religion. One thing I have struggled to come to terms with is that there is a loving and FAIR God who created all people but CHOSE Israelites as HIS OWN. " Brother!  | |||
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"As Christopher Hitchens said: "That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."" Droll. Sums up all religion. | |||
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"As Christopher Hitchens said: "That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."" Ah yes, the guy who gets whooped at debating by his own brother! | |||
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"As Christopher Hitchens said: "That which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." Ah yes, the guy who gets whooped at debating by his own brother!" He's dead; I imagine his brother has free-rein at the dinner table | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. " I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt. | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. " My youngest is deeply religious. My other half finds it funny us heading off to a swingers club whilst my daughter and her boyfriend head off to all night prayer. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world So when the Soviet Union takes over territory, it becuase of their religious beliefs? One learns something new here everyday The Soviet Union? Was 1989 just a figment of the worlds' imagination? To answer the OP though: Atheist, although people have assumed that I am a pagan because of my tattoos. Well did the soviet union invade Afghanistan for religious reasons or not? Course not - but that wasn't my point. The post is in the present tense, and the USSR no longer exists. " But it did till 1980-something. And they did invade Afganistan. Which religious belief prompted them to do so? | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt." | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt." Thank you; xxx | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt." | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. " I understand that these dsys you dont need to believe in any particular religion to know right from wrong and have morals. But as a little thought experiment, imagine if religion had never existed. Do you think that your morals and idea of what is wrong or right would be exactly the same? | |||
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"I was just on the bus home and a cute American guy asks if he can sit down next to me. I'm thinking score! We start chatting about random things like the Nandos takeaway I had and the weather today. Then he starts to bring the conversation towards an obvious goal and get a little black book out of his pocket ... turns on he's a Mormon and wanted to talk to me about it lol. I didn't really give him a chance bless him. I'm agnostic and religions have never made sense to me. So I talked to him about how I'm bi and have many wonderful bi/gay friends. I think he got a little overwhelmed as I can talk for England. Sadly I didnt get a chance to tell him about Fab before my stop Maybe could have converted him
Anyway, I'm just interested in knowing if any Fabbers are religious. It does seem like the sort of thing that would be frowned upon! But then I guess that's what confession is for "love these threads, religious people 'we get something from it, makes us feel good etc' atheist 'its all a load of bollocks' mmmm | |||
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"Generally these threads are never started by people pushing religion. I tend to find society pushes atheism at me far more than the odd knock on the door from the latter day Saints. " There's quite a lot of evidence on this thread to support that! | |||
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"Generally these threads are never started by people pushing religion. I tend to find society pushes atheism at me far more than the odd knock on the door from the latter day Saints. There's quite a lot of evidence on this thread to support that!" . Evidence evidence evidence... If only people went off evidence  | |||
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"Generally these threads are never started by people pushing religion. I tend to find society pushes atheism at me far more than the odd knock on the door from the latter day Saints." I know exactly what you mean! Though agnostic myself I think everyone should be free to follow their own beliefs. | |||
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" I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt." This. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world So when the Soviet Union takes over territory, it becuase of their religious beliefs? One learns something new here everyday The Soviet Union? Was 1989 just a figment of the worlds' imagination? To answer the OP though: Atheist, although people have assumed that I am a pagan because of my tattoos. 1991-1992." Yes, I know that the official collapse of the USSR was then..... I mentioned 1989 for a reason. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world So when the Soviet Union takes over territory, it becuase of their religious beliefs? One learns something new here everyday The Soviet Union? Was 1989 just a figment of the worlds' imagination? To answer the OP though: Atheist, although people have assumed that I am a pagan because of my tattoos. Well did the soviet union invade Afghanistan for religious reasons or not? Course not - but that wasn't my point. The post is in the present tense, and the USSR no longer exists. But it did till 1980-something. And they did invade Afganistan. Which religious belief prompted them to do so?" Re-read my post - especially the bit where I agree with you. | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I understand that these dsys you dont need to believe in any particular religion to know right from wrong and have morals. But as a little thought experiment, imagine if religion had never existed. Do you think that your morals and idea of what is wrong or right would be exactly the same? " Well a lot of people would be less keen on genital mutilation and chucking gays off buildings. | |||
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" I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt.
Not really. Religious faith is up for mocking must like every other idea. We take the piss out of people for being Tories, or vegetarians, or Liverpool fans - your religion is no different.
Besides, if you believe you have a personal relationship with an omnipotent being, why would you care what people say about it?"But like she said; it will stop one from looking like a cunt But maybe cunts don't care what people say about them | |||
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" I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt.
Not really. Religious faith is up for mocking must like every other idea. We take the piss out of people for being Tories, or vegetarians, or Liverpool fans - your religion is no different.
Besides, if you believe you have a personal relationship with an omnipotent being, why would you care what people say about it?"Mock away. It's akin to 'attack the idea, not the person'. I'd never mock someone for supporting the Tory's or being a meat eater, but I might question their views and values, and pick apart the documenta that they believe in. I mean yeah, you can do what you want. But just taking the piss out of someone for their personal views makes you look like an ignorant twat, who is incapable of actually having an adult discussion. | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world" No religion is the excuse they use. It simply gives a platform to bad people sometimes. I don't particularly believe in any one religion but think most of them have good and bad points.xx | |||
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"Religions are the root cause of everything that's wrong in this world of ours. How did you come to that conclusion? Truely religious people make the world a better place . Religion is a major cause of conflicts all around the world No religion is the excuse they use. It simply gives a platform to bad people sometimes. I don't particularly believe in any one religion but think most of them have good and bad points.xx" Some of us are still waiting to hear how WW2 was caused by religion... | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I understand that these dsys you dont need to believe in any particular religion to know right from wrong and have morals. But as a little thought experiment, imagine if religion had never existed. Do you think that your morals and idea of what is wrong or right would be exactly the same? " Absolutely, although I can agree things probably would have been a bit different through history without religion...the goalposts tend to move a lot with religion, it's been ok to burn people on the crime of heresy, stone people to death..all in the name of a god. I don't want or need religion, some people take great comfort in their faith and that's perfectly cool with me. I just choose to have no part in it. | |||
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" I understand that these dsys you dont need to believe in any particular religion to know right from wrong and have morals. But as a little thought experiment, imagine if religion had never existed. Do you think that your morals and idea of what is wrong or right would be exactly the same? Well a lot of people would be less keen on genital mutilation and chucking gays off buildings." Genital mutilation is not a religious custom, it's a cultural one. That's why it happens in some countries, and not others, even countries that share the same religion. Also not all regious people are homophobic, and not all homophobic people are religious. | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt." . Your asserting that your beliefs and faiths have some superiority to others. I'm afraid to tell you it hasn't! Just as somebody who has faith that there skin colour makes them better than another's or a belief that a persons sexuality or sex makes them weaker. Not only should your "faith" be attacked but it must be attacked!. | |||
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" I understand that these dsys you dont need to believe in any particular religion to know right from wrong and have morals. But as a little thought experiment, imagine if religion had never existed. Do you think that your morals and idea of what is wrong or right would be exactly the same? Well a lot of people would be less keen on genital mutilation and chucking gays off buildings. Genital mutilation is not a religious custom, it's a cultural one. That's why it happens in some countries, and not others, even countries that share the same religion. Also not all regious people are homophobic, and not all homophobic people are religious. " . I think you'll find the Jewish idea of cutting a boys foreskin off is a religious custom! Genesis 10 14-17! | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt.. Your asserting that your beliefs and faiths have some superiority to others. I'm afraid to tell you it hasn't! Just as somebody who has faith that there skin colour makes them better than another's or a belief that a persons sexuality or sex makes them weaker. Not only should your "faith" be attacked but it must be attacked!. " Find one part of this thread where someone of faith attacks atheism. You won't. Take your pick of the atheist attacks on religion. Go figure. | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt.. Your asserting that your beliefs and faiths have some superiority to others. I'm afraid to tell you it hasn't! Just as somebody who has faith that there skin colour makes them better than another's or a belief that a persons sexuality or sex makes them weaker. Not only should your "faith" be attacked but it must be attacked!. Find one part of this thread where someone of faith attacks atheism. You won't. Take your pick of the atheist attacks on religion. Go figure." . That's because you can't pick on somebody not having a belief? Let me put it another way Why should you be able to pick on the belief someone has,that there white skin is between than your black skin! Or that there faith in their masculinity is greater than femininity!. Why should any idea not be attacked... The whole point of Good ideas, is that they stand up against ridicule and inspection! This crying by religious people of bullying is quite frankly disgusting considering the bullying religion has done in the past! It's there swan song of rebuke these days! | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt.. Your asserting that your beliefs and faiths have some superiority to others. I'm afraid to tell you it hasn't! Just as somebody who has faith that there skin colour makes them better than another's or a belief that a persons sexuality or sex makes them weaker. Not only should your "faith" be attacked but it must be attacked!. Find one part of this thread where someone of faith attacks atheism. You won't. Take your pick of the atheist attacks on religion. Go figure.. That's because you can't pick on somebody not having a belief? Let me put it another way Why should you be able to pick on the belief someone has,that there white skin is between than your black skin! Or that there faith in their masculinity is greater than femininity!. Why should any idea not be attacked... The whole point of Good ideas, is that they stand up against ridicule and inspection! This crying by religious people of bullying is quite frankly disgusting considering the bullying religion has done in the past! It's there swan song of rebuke these days!" Please, do attack | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt.. Your asserting that your beliefs and faiths have some superiority to others. I'm afraid to tell you it hasn't! Just as somebody who has faith that there skin colour makes them better than another's or a belief that a persons sexuality or sex makes them weaker. Not only should your "faith" be attacked but it must be attacked!. Find one part of this thread where someone of faith attacks atheism. You won't. Take your pick of the atheist attacks on religion. Go figure.. That's because you can't pick on somebody not having a belief? Let me put it another way Why should you be able to pick on the belief someone has,that there white skin is between than your black skin! Or that there faith in their masculinity is greater than femininity!. Why should any idea not be attacked... The whole point of Good ideas, is that they stand up against ridicule and inspection! This crying by religious people of bullying is quite frankly disgusting considering the bullying religion has done in the past! It's there swan song of rebuke these days!" Atheism is the belief that there definitely isn't a God. It's actually easy to attack I just can't be bothered and don't consider myself a cunt. | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt.. Your asserting that your beliefs and faiths have some superiority to others. I'm afraid to tell you it hasn't! Just as somebody who has faith that there skin colour makes them better than another's or a belief that a persons sexuality or sex makes them weaker. Not only should your "faith" be attacked but it must be attacked!. Find one part of this thread where someone of faith attacks atheism. You won't. Take your pick of the atheist attacks on religion. Go figure.. That's because you can't pick on somebody not having a belief? Let me put it another way Why should you be able to pick on the belief someone has,that there white skin is between than your black skin! Or that there faith in their masculinity is greater than femininity!. Why should any idea not be attacked... The whole point of Good ideas, is that they stand up against ridicule and inspection! This crying by religious people of bullying is quite frankly disgusting considering the bullying religion has done in the past! It's there swan song of rebuke these days! Atheism is the belief that there definitely isn't a God. It's actually easy to attack I just can't be bothered and don't consider myself a cunt. " . As James bond said...you can never say never! I certainly wouldn't say there's definitely no God!. I'd say it's very very very very unlikely as that's what the evidence from logical thinking says. You most certainly should attack somebody for holding illogical irrational beliefs, regardless of whether it makes you look like a cunt! It's by doing things like this why we've abandoned slavery and homophobia! | |||
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"I'm not religious, I was Christened and went to a C of E school both not by choice. If we have a kid, they won't be Christened and won't be brought up religious. They will however be taught right from wrong and morals, like has been said you don't need a religion to do that. If they grew up and wanted to take religion then that would be fine by me. I do wonder how many people would take up religion if they wasn't born into it. I chose to go to catholic school at 11 and found that when I left at 18 I chose to continue being religious. I understand not everyone gets that choice. And I certainly wasn't brainwashed since being non-Catholic meant I could choose if I wanted to attend religious events at school. People say we're all stupid and brainwashed into it. Some of us are actually reasonably intelligent adults who have thought long and hard about theology and have decided what is right for *us*. I also think those that mock people for believing in God/s are childish and immature. They must be so insecure that they have to attack others personal beliefs. Attack the politics or the teachings - but don't attack my faith. That's not cool, and it makes you look like a cunt.. Your asserting that your beliefs and faiths have some superiority to others. I'm afraid to tell you it hasn't! Just as somebody who has faith that there skin colour makes them better than another's or a belief that a persons sexuality or sex makes them weaker. Not only should your "faith" be attacked but it must be attacked!. Find one part of this thread where someone of faith attacks atheism. You won't. Take your pick of the atheist attacks on religion. Go figure.. That's because you can't pick on somebody not having a belief? Let me put it another way Why should you be able to pick on the belief someone has,that there white skin is between than your black skin! Or that there faith in their masculinity is greater than femininity!. Why should any idea not be attacked... The whole point of Good ideas, is that they stand up against ridicule and inspection! This crying by religious people of bullying is quite frankly disgusting considering the bullying religion has done in the past! It's there swan song of rebuke these days! Atheism is the belief that there definitely isn't a God. It's actually easy to attack I just can't be bothered and don't consider myself a cunt. . As James bond said...you can never say never! I certainly wouldn't say there's definitely no God!. I'd say it's very very very very unlikely as that's what the evidence from logical thinking says. " Yes you would say that. Others wouldn't. So actually it's you "asserting that your beliefs have some superiority to others" and not the other way around. | |||
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" I understand that these dsys you dont need to believe in any particular religion to know right from wrong and have morals. But as a little thought experiment, imagine if religion had never existed. Do you think that your morals and idea of what is wrong or right would be exactly the same? Well a lot of people would be less keen on genital mutilation and chucking gays off buildings. Genital mutilation is not a religious custom, it's a cultural one. That's why it happens in some countries, and not others, even countries that share the same religion. Also not all regious people are homophobic, and not all homophobic people are religious. . I think you'll find the Jewish idea of cutting a boys foreskin off is a religious custom! Genesis 10 14-17!" But most men in America are circumcised, yet it is not a majority Jewish country there are many people on fab who aren't Jewish and yet are circumcised, so its not purely a religious practise is it? | |||
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" As James bond said...you can never say never! I certainly wouldn't say there's definitely no God!. I'd say it's very very very very unlikely as that's what the evidence from logical thinking says. You most certainly should attack somebody for holding illogical irrational beliefs, regardless of whether it makes you look like a cunt! It's by doing things like this why we've abandoned slavery and homophobia!" I think that you will find that this country, and many other countries who outlawed slavery, were very religious when they did it. You seem to be suggesting that a belief in God equals a belief in slavery, and that when people stopped believing in God, they stopped believing in slavery. That is NOT what happened. I don't see why you would want to attack people for illogical or irrational beliefs. Do you attack people who believe in ghosts? aliens? astrology? mediums? lucky socks? shouting at the TV?talking to their pets? | |||
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" I understand that these dsys you dont need to believe in any particular religion to know right from wrong and have morals. But as a little thought experiment, imagine if religion had never existed. Do you think that your morals and idea of what is wrong or right would be exactly the same? Well a lot of people would be less keen on genital mutilation and chucking gays off buildings. Genital mutilation is not a religious custom, it's a cultural one. That's why it happens in some countries, and not others, even countries that share the same religion. Also not all regious people are homophobic, and not all homophobic people are religious. . I think you'll find the Jewish idea of cutting a boys foreskin off is a religious custom! Genesis 10 14-17! But most men in America are circumcised, yet it is not a majority Jewish country there are many people on fab who aren't Jewish and yet are circumcised, so its not purely a religious practise is it?" . You said it's a not a religious custom it's cultural custom! I'm telling you if your Jewish it's religious.. It's there in genesis. You'll find that wherever Jewish people live in any country... They practice circumcision! That's not cultural... That's religious | |||
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" As James bond said...you can never say never! I certainly wouldn't say there's definitely no God!. I'd say it's very very very very unlikely as that's what the evidence from logical thinking says. You most certainly should attack somebody for holding illogical irrational beliefs, regardless of whether it makes you look like a cunt! It's by doing things like this why we've abandoned slavery and homophobia! I think that you will find that this country, and many other countries who outlawed slavery, were very religious when they did it. You seem to be suggesting that a belief in God equals a belief in slavery, and that when people stopped believing in God, they stopped believing in slavery. That is NOT what happened. I don't see why you would want to attack people for illogical or irrational beliefs. Do you attack people who believe in ghosts? aliens? astrology? mediums? lucky socks? shouting at the TV?talking to their pets?" Talking to their pets! That made me laugh. I talking our dog
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" As James bond said...you can never say never! I certainly wouldn't say there's definitely no God!. I'd say it's very very very very unlikely as that's what the evidence from logical thinking says. You most certainly should attack somebody for holding illogical irrational beliefs, regardless of whether it makes you look like a cunt! It's by doing things like this why we've abandoned slavery and homophobia! I think that you will find that this country, and many other countries who outlawed slavery, were very religious when they did it. You seem to be suggesting that a belief in God equals a belief in slavery, and that when people stopped believing in God, they stopped believing in slavery. That is NOT what happened. I don't see why you would want to attack people for illogical or irrational beliefs. Do you attack people who believe in ghosts? aliens? astrology? mediums? lucky socks? shouting at the TV?talking to their pets?" . You keep conflating things! I said attacking illogical irrational beliefs is the only way forward, the same way as attacking the irrational belief that black people should be slaves to be owned or that women are less of a person than males or that being gay is something wrong! What your saying is yes... Let's attack those irrational illogical beliefs... But not mine! | |||
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" As James bond said...you can never say never! I certainly wouldn't say there's definitely no God!. I'd say it's very very very very unlikely as that's what the evidence from logical thinking says. You most certainly should attack somebody for holding illogical irrational beliefs, regardless of whether it makes you look like a cunt! It's by doing things like this why we've abandoned slavery and homophobia! I think that you will find that this country, and many other countries who outlawed slavery, were very religious when they did it. You seem to be suggesting that a belief in God equals a belief in slavery, and that when people stopped believing in God, they stopped believing in slavery. That is NOT what happened. I don't see why you would want to attack people for illogical or irrational beliefs. Do you attack people who believe in ghosts? aliens? astrology? mediums? lucky socks? shouting at the TV?talking to their pets?. You keep conflating things! I said attacking illogical irrational beliefs is the only way forward, the same way as attacking the irrational belief that black people should be slaves to be owned or that women are less of a person than males or that being gay is something wrong! What your saying is yes... Let's attack those irrational illogical beliefs... But not mine! "How does my private belief in my creator harm you or anyone else? | |||
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" As James bond said...you can never say never! I certainly wouldn't say there's definitely no God!. I'd say it's very very very very unlikely as that's what the evidence from logical thinking says. You most certainly should attack somebody for holding illogical irrational beliefs, regardless of whether it makes you look like a cunt! It's by doing things like this why we've abandoned slavery and homophobia! I think that you will find that this country, and many other countries who outlawed slavery, were very religious when they did it. You seem to be suggesting that a belief in God equals a belief in slavery, and that when people stopped believing in God, they stopped believing in slavery. That is NOT what happened. I don't see why you would want to attack people for illogical or irrational beliefs. Do you attack people who believe in ghosts? aliens? astrology? mediums? lucky socks? shouting at the TV?talking to their pets?. You keep conflating things! I said attacking illogical irrational beliefs is the only way forward, the same way as attacking the irrational belief that black people should be slaves to be owned or that women are less of a person than males or that being gay is something wrong! What your saying is yes... Let's attack those irrational illogical beliefs... But not mine! "No, I'm agreeing with what is said above, you can attack everyone you want who you see as behaving irrationally, you can verbally attack religious people, people who talk to their pets, people who cheer on their favorite sports team whilst watching tv etc. But you'll probably end up looking like a cunt! Is it rational to tie a coloured cloth noose around your neck to go to work? Not really, but many people do. Is it rational to put candles into a cake and set fire to them momentarily before blowing them out and making a wish on the anniversary of your birth? Again not really, but a lot of people do it. So if you are going to attack irrational beliefs, make sure you attack them all, because you wouldn't want to be like us hypocritical religious folk who pick and chose which rules to follow | |||
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