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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I'm seeing no shortage of these on the shelves in the run up to Christmas, and am aware that the princesses in general are a huge part of the Disney marketing machine these days, however, are they ultimately unhealthy for the girls they're marketed toward?
Ok, so all kids need some nice escapist fantasy they can enjoy, but these princesses all come from pretty much the exact same template - they're all slim, glamorous and beautiful, supposedly come from the sort of troubled backgrounds you really wouldn't expect for those with such huge glowing eyes, perfect hair and striking smiles, and inevitably end up with some handsome Romeo at the end of the story.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"fuck the unrealistic female role models....i'm more pissed off that disney have sold me an unrealistic vision of woodland animals helping with my household chores!!!"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"fuck the unrealistic female role models....i'm more pissed off that disney have sold me an unrealistic vision of woodland animals helping with my household chores!!!"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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and for boys are these action figures of toned, muscly rough and ready/handsome men. Look at who the "role models" are portrayed in the media, hardly shrek we're seeing. Disney may be one of the first to start this idealistic world for children, but it has been followed by other fairy tales and cartoons/games the children see.
When I was growing up I never aspired to be like a disney princess or barbie, but then I was more of a tomboy so that may have something to do with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I do understand where you are coming from OP but as someone with a young daughter it doesn't bother me, the trick is to manage their reality and allowing the fantasy. Every young girl is and should be treated like a princess. Disney are making the female role models stronger and more positive |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The little girls I know don't talk about the man in the films. They just want the dress up stuff. My girls danced and had lovely costumes so they didn't want to dress up as Princesses. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I prefer The Disney Princesses on Once Upon a Time.
In 2013, Mullan came out as bi-sexual, she loved Aurora (Sleeping Beauty)."
I thought that was a great sub-plot |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"and for boys are these action figures of toned, muscly rough and ready/handsome men. Look at who the "role models" are portrayed in the media, hardly shrek we're seeing."
That is true, but male characters for boys usually don't deal with much in the way of romance and relationships like the princesses do, usually just kicking badguys asses and saving the day, plus the selection of heroes for boys is far more diverse with things like Power Rangers, Transformers, Lego sets etc, they offer a lot more individual freedom of imagination.
Even the increasingly popular Equestria Girls (My Little Pony spin off) and Monster High, despite being marketed as more rebellious and edgy, still show girls as typically full lipped, thick haired, beautiful, glamourous stereotypes, who in the real world, would be anything but the zany outcasts they're meant to represent. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Princess Fiona ended up with Shrek, both ogres.
Most of the Disney films are from many years gone by and were a sign of the times. Any new Disney movie that comes out the females are usually more fiesty. Think frozen and the two princesses in that, Anna punched that dude in the face and Elsa was quite bad ass with her frozen powers.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Don't spoil a child's imagination with political correctness. 
Yes
I had Barbies and they never made me think I wanted to look like them."
I was more interested in Fantasia than Cinderella,although in the Ladybird book I was obsessed by the colours of her 3 dresses. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They're fairy tales and part of childhood ~ girls only want to dress up & be Disney Princess like for a very short period of time & in my experience there's nothing unhealthy in that. |
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"and for boys are these action figures of toned, muscly rough and ready/handsome men. Look at who the "role models" are portrayed in the media, hardly shrek we're seeing.
That is true, but male characters for boys usually don't deal with much in the way of romance and relationships like the princesses do, usually just kicking badguys asses and saving the day, plus the selection of heroes for boys is far more diverse with things like Power Rangers, Transformers, Lego sets etc, they offer a lot more individual freedom of imagination.
Even the increasingly popular Equestria Girls (My Little Pony spin off) and Monster High, despite being marketed as more rebellious and edgy, still show girls as typically full lipped, thick haired, beautiful, glamourous stereotypes, who in the real world, would be anything but the zany outcasts they're meant to represent."
male gender stereotypes are equally as bad, if not worse. all boys need to be ripped hard guys who beat people up and pay no attention to peoples feelings. the nerds dont get look in with the ladies and all the bad boys get the sexy ladies. yet we expect boys to grow up and treat our little princeses right? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"and for boys are these action figures of toned, muscly rough and ready/handsome men. Look at who the "role models" are portrayed in the media, hardly shrek we're seeing.
That is true, but male characters for boys usually don't deal with much in the way of romance and relationships like the princesses do, usually just kicking badguys asses and saving the day, plus the selection of heroes for boys is far more diverse with things like Power Rangers, Transformers, Lego sets etc, they offer a lot more individual freedom of imagination.
Even the increasingly popular Equestria Girls (My Little Pony spin off) and Monster High, despite being marketed as more rebellious and edgy, still show girls as typically full lipped, thick haired, beautiful, glamourous stereotypes, who in the real world, would be anything but the zany outcasts they're meant to represent.
male gender stereotypes are equally as bad, if not worse. all boys need to be ripped hard guys who beat people up and pay no attention to peoples feelings. the nerds dont get look in with the ladies and all the bad boys get the sexy ladies. yet we expect boys to grow up and treat our little princeses right?"
Male suicide rates are now much higher than the female rate. Personally, I think men have it a lot tougher due to the stereotype they are "meant" to follow. Times are changing and the female stereotype has changed quite a bit in the past century, yet the male one hasn't. Even with the difference in work roles they do, they are now in more "feminine" roles or have women working on the more "masculine" roles. Men are not supposed to express themselves the same as women.
I'd much rather have daughters who can see that this is an unrealistic perception of reality, than the pressure that is put on to men through the media. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"and for boys are these action figures of toned, muscly rough and ready/handsome men. Look at who the "role models" are portrayed in the media, hardly shrek we're seeing.
That is true, but male characters for boys usually don't deal with much in the way of romance and relationships like the princesses do, usually just kicking badguys asses and saving the day, plus the selection of heroes for boys is far more diverse with things like Power Rangers, Transformers, Lego sets etc, they offer a lot more individual freedom of imagination.
Even the increasingly popular Equestria Girls (My Little Pony spin off) and Monster High, despite being marketed as more rebellious and edgy, still show girls as typically full lipped, thick haired, beautiful, glamourous stereotypes, who in the real world, would be anything but the zany outcasts they're meant to represent.
male gender stereotypes are equally as bad, if not worse. all boys need to be ripped hard guys who beat people up and pay no attention to peoples feelings. the nerds dont get look in with the ladies and all the bad boys get the sexy ladies. yet we expect boys to grow up and treat our little princeses right?"
Male stereotypes, at least female ideals of them show up in girls films too - check out twilight, hunger games...one feisty female, with two handsome, modern guys after her in both movies... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"and for boys are these action figures of toned, muscly rough and ready/handsome men. Look at who the "role models" are portrayed in the media, hardly shrek we're seeing.
That is true, but male characters for boys usually don't deal with much in the way of romance and relationships like the princesses do, usually just kicking badguys asses and saving the day, plus the selection of heroes for boys is far more diverse with things like Power Rangers, Transformers, Lego sets etc, they offer a lot more individual freedom of imagination.
Even the increasingly popular Equestria Girls (My Little Pony spin off) and Monster High, despite being marketed as more rebellious and edgy, still show girls as typically full lipped, thick haired, beautiful, glamourous stereotypes, who in the real world, would be anything but the zany outcasts they're meant to represent.
male gender stereotypes are equally as bad, if not worse. all boys need to be ripped hard guys who beat people up and pay no attention to peoples feelings. the nerds dont get look in with the ladies and all the bad boys get the sexy ladies. yet we expect boys to grow up and treat our little princeses right?
Male suicide rates are now much higher than the female rate. Personally, I think men have it a lot tougher due to the stereotype they are "meant" to follow. Times are changing and the female stereotype has changed quite a bit in the past century, yet the male one hasn't. Even with the difference in work roles they do, they are now in more "feminine" roles or have women working on the more "masculine" roles. Men are not supposed to express themselves the same as women.
I'd much rather have daughters who can see that this is an unrealistic perception of reality, than the pressure that is put on to men through the media. "
I've often said, the modern world is a pretty crappy place to be a male. I can't remember the exact stats, but Japans male suicide rate is nothing short of horrific. |
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"and for boys are these action figures of toned, muscly rough and ready/handsome men. Look at who the "role models" are portrayed in the media, hardly shrek we're seeing.
That is true, but male characters for boys usually don't deal with much in the way of romance and relationships like the princesses do, usually just kicking badguys asses and saving the day, plus the selection of heroes for boys is far more diverse with things like Power Rangers, Transformers, Lego sets etc, they offer a lot more individual freedom of imagination.
Even the increasingly popular Equestria Girls (My Little Pony spin off) and Monster High, despite being marketed as more rebellious and edgy, still show girls as typically full lipped, thick haired, beautiful, glamourous stereotypes, who in the real world, would be anything but the zany outcasts they're meant to represent.
male gender stereotypes are equally as bad, if not worse. all boys need to be ripped hard guys who beat people up and pay no attention to peoples feelings. the nerds dont get look in with the ladies and all the bad boys get the sexy ladies. yet we expect boys to grow up and treat our little princeses right?
Male stereotypes, at least female ideals of them show up in girls films too - check out twilight, hunger games...one feisty female, with two handsome, modern guys after her in both movies..."
twilight...2 predators chasing after 1 damsel in distress who was always getting kidnapped or nearly killed?
Hunger Games i guess is a bit better although they do try to manipulate Katnis into a fake relationship to appease the masses |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My daughter is 6 and she loves the descendants, 4 kids who have "baddies" for parents, you have cruella de'vils son, jafars son, maleficent's daughter and the evil queens daughter. She likes monster high and watches things like nightmare before Christmas cos she likes jack the pumpkin king.
I've always grown up liking the baddies hence my username (ursula) the sea witch! Now I haven't watched Disney films for years or spoken about who I liked, my daughter has watched films and she's liked the baddy more than the princess, she'll say things like why don't she get herself out of the tower mam or why can't she fight the dragon mam? I have to tell her it's because they don't do kickboxing lessons like she does! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"and for boys are these action figures of toned, muscly rough and ready/handsome men. Look at who the "role models" are portrayed in the media, hardly shrek we're seeing.
That is true, but male characters for boys usually don't deal with much in the way of romance and relationships like the princesses do, usually just kicking badguys asses and saving the day, plus the selection of heroes for boys is far more diverse with things like Power Rangers, Transformers, Lego sets etc, they offer a lot more individual freedom of imagination.
Even the increasingly popular Equestria Girls (My Little Pony spin off) and Monster High, despite being marketed as more rebellious and edgy, still show girls as typically full lipped, thick haired, beautiful, glamourous stereotypes, who in the real world, would be anything but the zany outcasts they're meant to represent.
male gender stereotypes are equally as bad, if not worse. all boys need to be ripped hard guys who beat people up and pay no attention to peoples feelings. the nerds dont get look in with the ladies and all the bad boys get the sexy ladies. yet we expect boys to grow up and treat our little princeses right?
Male stereotypes, at least female ideals of them show up in girls films too - check out twilight, hunger games...one feisty female, with two handsome, modern guys after her in both movies...
twilight...2 predators chasing after 1 damsel in distress who was always getting kidnapped or nearly killed?"
She has power over two good looking, powerful beings who desperately want her to love them, it's a power fantasy for women. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"and for boys are these action figures of toned, muscly rough and ready/handsome men. Look at who the "role models" are portrayed in the media, hardly shrek we're seeing.
That is true, but male characters for boys usually don't deal with much in the way of romance and relationships like the princesses do, usually just kicking badguys asses and saving the day, plus the selection of heroes for boys is far more diverse with things like Power Rangers, Transformers, Lego sets etc, they offer a lot more individual freedom of imagination.
Even the increasingly popular Equestria Girls (My Little Pony spin off) and Monster High, despite being marketed as more rebellious and edgy, still show girls as typically full lipped, thick haired, beautiful, glamourous stereotypes, who in the real world, would be anything but the zany outcasts they're meant to represent.
male gender stereotypes are equally as bad, if not worse. all boys need to be ripped hard guys who beat people up and pay no attention to peoples feelings. the nerds dont get look in with the ladies and all the bad boys get the sexy ladies. yet we expect boys to grow up and treat our little princeses right?
Male stereotypes, at least female ideals of them show up in girls films too - check out twilight, hunger games...one feisty female, with two handsome, modern guys after her in both movies...
twilight...2 predators chasing after 1 damsel in distress who was always getting kidnapped or nearly killed?
She has power over two good looking, powerful beings who desperately want her to love them, it's a power fantasy for women."
Yeeeeees. Ofcourse it is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If I told you walt disney was not a nice person you would not believe me.
I had sindy dolls and pippa. They were blonde or dark and no disney for me. Too expensive |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If I told you walt disney was not a nice person you would not believe me."
No I've heard plenty of stories about him being a racist anti-semetic wanker |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If I told you walt disney was not a nice person you would not believe me.
No I've heard plenty of stories about him being a racist anti-semetic wanker "
In today's society that would class him as not a nice person, but the era he was born and the society he was raised in would kind of argue that. Plus he had Pocahontas?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They're fairy tales and part of childhood ~ girls only want to dress up & be Disney Princess like for a very short period of time & in my experience there's nothing unhealthy in that."
Well unless they cosplay as them and that shit gets real!! Scarily so sometimes! |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"I see nothing wrong in the fantasy of the Disney princesses, they are magical fairy tales. I think as adults we can look far too deep into such things. "
Too right! My beautiful 7 year old granddaughter loves dressing as a princess, I let her enjoy her fairy tale 'time' whilst she is young, she's not bothered by the body image of her dolls or other images and hopefully never will be!!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"...Any new Disney movie that comes out the females are usually more fiesty. Think frozen and the two princesses in that, Anna punched that dude in the face and Elsa was quite bad ass with her frozen powers.
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...Not forgetting Rapunzel, who is quite handy with a re-purposed frying pan  |
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"What, you mean I'm not really a mermaid! ? 
If you want to be a mermaid you be a mermaid!! , because you certainly look like one. although I can't see your tail!! "
True it's all Disney you can be whatever you want. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think the live disney stuff aimed at teens and pre teens is more concerning..quite creepy. You can get away with anything if you are thin and beautiful. Life is based around how popular you are. Not great |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"What, you mean I'm not really a mermaid! ?
If you want to be a mermaid you be a mermaid!! , because you certainly look like one. although I can't see your tail!!
True it's all Disney you can be whatever you want."
You can!!. Princess, mermaid, fairy, love them all! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What, you mean I'm not really a mermaid! ?
If you want to be a mermaid you be a mermaid!! , because you certainly look like one. although I can't see your tail!!
True it's all Disney you can be whatever you want.
You can!!. Princess, mermaid, fairy, love them all! "
That's it tomorrow I'm wearing yellow and singing about books. Belle rocks |
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By *amissCouple
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"I think the live disney stuff aimed at teens and pre teens is more concerning..quite creepy. You can get away with anything if you are thin and beautiful. Life is based around how popular you are. Not great"
You don't have to be thin and beautiful to be popular!! .... |
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By *amissCouple
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"What, you mean I'm not really a mermaid! ?
If you want to be a mermaid you be a mermaid!! , because you certainly look like one. although I can't see your tail!!
True it's all Disney you can be whatever you want.
You can!!. Princess, mermaid, fairy, love them all!
That's it tomorrow I'm wearing yellow and singing about books. Belle rocks"
Aah...lovely, enjoy |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If I told you walt disney was not a nice person you would not believe me.
No I've heard plenty of stories about him being a racist anti-semetic wanker
In today's society that would class him as not a nice person, but the era he was born and the society he was raised in would kind of argue that."
Just because some things may have been more acceptable at the time, doesn't make them alright, or the people who practice them blameless. Just imagine where humankind would be had there not been those brave handfuls who were willing to challenge normalised bullshit across history.
"Plus he had Pocahontas?? "
I believe this was sometime after he died, plus I've seen the movie and it was an interesting portrayal of history at the time - being that, the baddie is just one white fella, offset of course by the noble and handsome John Smith, and the Native Americans are equally intolerant of the white settlers, it glosses over the merciless butchering, raping and poisoning of the Natives quite tidily. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If I told you walt disney was not a nice person you would not believe me.
No I've heard plenty of stories about him being a racist anti-semetic wanker
In today's society that would class him as not a nice person, but the era he was born and the society he was raised in would kind of argue that.
Just because some things may have been more acceptable at the time, doesn't make them alright, or the people who practice them blameless. Just imagine where humankind would be had there not been those brave handfuls who were willing to challenge normalised bullshit across history.
Plus he had Pocahontas??
I believe this was sometime after he died, plus I've seen the movie and it was an interesting portrayal of history at the time - being that, the baddie is just one white fella, offset of course by the noble and handsome John Smith, and the Native Americans are equally intolerant of the white settlers, it glosses over the merciless butchering, raping and poisoning of the Natives quite tidily."
Ummmm are we not taking Disney a little too seriously. I'm not sure how the 3 - 11 year old demographic would cope with the raping, butchering and poisoning. Disney is about fantasy and feel good for little kids a bit like porn for adults  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Ummmm are we not taking Disney a little too seriously. I'm not sure how the 3 - 11 year old demographic would cope with the raping, butchering and poisoning. Disney is about fantasy and feel good for little kids a bit like porn for adults "
The point I'm making is that I'm uncomfortable with the extremely idealised, one dimensional portrayals of characters and plotlines in these movies, made even worse when they're based on historical events.
As for the Disney dating site...just...wow |
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"SB.....do you wanna build a snowman?"
Oh I do I do
Come on lets go and play
I never see you anymore
Come out the door
It's like you've gone away-
We used to be best buddies
And now we're not
I wish you would tell me why!-
Do you wanna build a snowman?
It doesn't have to be a snowman.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"fuck the unrealistic female role models....i'm more pissed off that disney have sold me an unrealistic vision of woodland animals helping with my household chores!!!"
Quote of the week for me!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm seeing no shortage of these on the shelves in the run up to Christmas, and am aware that the princesses in general are a huge part of the Disney marketing machine these days, however, are they ultimately unhealthy for the girls they're marketed toward?
Ok, so all kids need some nice escapist fantasy they can enjoy, but these princesses all come from pretty much the exact same template - they're all slim, glamorous and beautiful, supposedly come from the sort of troubled backgrounds you really wouldn't expect for those with such huge glowing eyes, perfect hair and striking smiles, and inevitably end up with some handsome Romeo at the end of the story.
Thoughts?"
My almost 3 year old doesn't give a shit and just wants to play with them.
You are seeing it through an adults' eyes.
There are plenty to be had. No shortage here! |
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"fuck the unrealistic female role models....i'm more pissed off that disney have sold me an unrealistic vision of woodland animals helping with my household chores!!!
Quote of the week for me!! "
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