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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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According to the government and mainstream media, anyone who questions the government and mainstream media is considered to be an extremist.
If you don't agree with bombing Syria you're now a terrorist sympathiser.
Talk about being desperate Cameron, what are peoples thoughts?
Isn't it part of democracy that you can question your government etc. |
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fuck me march me to traitor's gate then..
best send back my bits of tin from my military service and my long service medal..
Cameron has shown himself to not be very statesman like at all..
then again just more bad judgement.. |
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What's ridiculous is the school of thought that bombing out there makes security better here. Yeah...cos there is not such thing as extremism on our own soil. (ahem, 4 men arrested in Luton today Mr Cameron) |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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I don't agree with most of his policies, and certainly not his ideology, but Cameron is usually a lot more politically savvy than to say something so stupid, and to stick to his guns when he has been questioned so many times about that statement in the house today, even by people who support the strikes. |
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I question pretty much everything in the media now a days. I don't read newspapers either.
Bias and sensitisation is what sells.
It frightens me that one Facebook post becomes mass hysteria 
It's the worse possible Chinese whispers ever |
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"CLCC - I am not a fan of Cameron but I would say that normally he is far from stupid. I am assuming that the real target is replacing Asad....but of course we have no legal mandate for that....."
And who are we to decide that Assad needs to go?
Replacing Gaddafi worked out well in the end didn't it? |
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Just listened to Corbyn's loony lefty speech in the commons on the Syria air strikes debate that is currently ongoing. His position that air strikes in Syria will make the uk more of a target for ISIS is complete nonsense. We are ALREADY a target, there have been 7 foiled plots this year in the UK by Islamic extremists to attack us. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, we are already at war with them and they want to attack us whether we conduct airstrikes in Syria or not. There is a UN resolution to attack ISIS and Our allies the french and the USA, (among others) have asked for the UK's help, we need to show solidarity with them. |
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"Just listened to Corbyn's loony lefty speech in the commons on the Syria air strikes debate that is currently ongoing. His position that air strikes in Syria will make the uk more of a target for ISIS is complete nonsense. We are ALREADY a target, there have been 7 foiled plots this year in the UK by Islamic extremists to attack us. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, we are already at war with them and they want to attack us whether we conduct airstrikes in Syria or not. There is a UN resolution to attack ISIS and Our allies the french and the USA, (among others) have asked for the UK's help, we need to show solidarity with them."
IS said the Paris attacks were because of French bombing in Syria.
If you don't see that there is a direct link between bombing in Syria and a potential increase in terrorism it's because you don't want to see it.
IS confirmed what their reason was, ignore it if you like. |
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"Just listened to Corbyn's loony lefty speech in the commons on the Syria air strikes debate that is currently ongoing. His position that air strikes in Syria will make the uk more of a target for ISIS is complete nonsense. We are ALREADY a target, there have been 7 foiled plots this year in the UK by Islamic extremists to attack us. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, we are already at war with them and they want to attack us whether we conduct airstrikes in Syria or not. There is a UN resolution to attack ISIS and Our allies the french and the USA, (among others) have asked for the UK's help, we need to show solidarity with them.
IS said the Paris attacks were because of French bombing in Syria.
If you don't see that there is a direct link between bombing in Syria and a potential increase in terrorism it's because you don't want to see it.
IS confirmed what their reason was, ignore it if you like. "
And the 7 foiled plots in the UK this year already (while we have not attacked Syria.....yet). |
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"Just listened to Corbyn's loony lefty speech in the commons on the Syria air strikes debate that is currently ongoing. His position that air strikes in Syria will make the uk more of a target for ISIS is complete nonsense. We are ALREADY a target, there have been 7 foiled plots this year in the UK by Islamic extremists to attack us. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, we are already at war with them and they want to attack us whether we conduct airstrikes in Syria or not. There is a UN resolution to attack ISIS and Our allies the french and the USA, (among others) have asked for the UK's help, we need to show solidarity with them.
IS said the Paris attacks were because of French bombing in Syria.
If you don't see that there is a direct link between bombing in Syria and a potential increase in terrorism it's because you don't want to see it.
IS confirmed what their reason was, ignore it if you like.
And the 7 foiled plots in the UK this year already (while we have not attacked Syria.....yet). "
Ok then, bomb Syria and we'll be more safe.
That won't increase the chance of an attack here.
That won't radicalise more people against us.
Yeah, it'll all be hunky dory. |
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"Just listened to Corbyn's loony lefty speech in the commons on the Syria air strikes debate that is currently ongoing. His position that air strikes in Syria will make the uk more of a target for ISIS is complete nonsense. We are ALREADY a target, there have been 7 foiled plots this year in the UK by Islamic extremists to attack us. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, we are already at war with them and they want to attack us whether we conduct airstrikes in Syria or not. There is a UN resolution to attack ISIS and Our allies the french and the USA, (among others) have asked for the UK's help, we need to show solidarity with them.
IS said the Paris attacks were because of French bombing in Syria.
If you don't see that there is a direct link between bombing in Syria and a potential increase in terrorism it's because you don't want to see it.
IS confirmed what their reason was, ignore it if you like.
And the 7 foiled plots in the UK this year already (while we have not attacked Syria.....yet).
Ok then, bomb Syria and we'll be more safe.
That won't increase the chance of an attack here.
That won't radicalise more people against us.
Yeah, it'll all be hunky dory. "
As Liam Fox conservative MP said earlier in the debate sometimes you don't choose war but war chooses you, we'd all rather not have any wars but ISIS want a war with us whether we like it or not. |
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"Just listened to Corbyn's loony lefty speech in the commons on the Syria air strikes debate that is currently ongoing. His position that air strikes in Syria will make the uk more of a target for ISIS is complete nonsense. We are ALREADY a target, there have been 7 foiled plots this year in the UK by Islamic extremists to attack us. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, we are already at war with them and they want to attack us whether we conduct airstrikes in Syria or not. There is a UN resolution to attack ISIS and Our allies the french and the USA, (among others) have asked for the UK's help, we need to show solidarity with them.
IS said the Paris attacks were because of French bombing in Syria.
If you don't see that there is a direct link between bombing in Syria and a potential increase in terrorism it's because you don't want to see it.
IS confirmed what their reason was, ignore it if you like.
And the 7 foiled plots in the UK this year already (while we have not attacked Syria.....yet). "
we've been bombing them in Iraq using jets for 14 months or so and using drones with hellfire missiles to engage them in both Iraq and Syria..
wonder if that has anything to do with the thankfully foiled plots stopped thus far..? |
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"Just listened to Corbyn's loony lefty speech in the commons on the Syria air strikes debate that is currently ongoing. His position that air strikes in Syria will make the uk more of a target for ISIS is complete nonsense. We are ALREADY a target, there have been 7 foiled plots this year in the UK by Islamic extremists to attack us. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, we are already at war with them and they want to attack us whether we conduct airstrikes in Syria or not. There is a UN resolution to attack ISIS and Our allies the french and the USA, (among others) have asked for the UK's help, we need to show solidarity with them.
IS said the Paris attacks were because of French bombing in Syria.
If you don't see that there is a direct link between bombing in Syria and a potential increase in terrorism it's because you don't want to see it.
IS confirmed what their reason was, ignore it if you like.
And the 7 foiled plots in the UK this year already (while we have not attacked Syria.....yet).
Ok then, bomb Syria and we'll be more safe.
That won't increase the chance of an attack here.
That won't radicalise more people against us.
Yeah, it'll all be hunky dory.
As Liam Fox conservative MP said earlier in the debate sometimes you don't choose war but war chooses you, we'd all rather not have any wars but ISIS want a war with us whether we like it or not. "
Yes, give the terrorists just what they want. |
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for the record this leftie is fully behind any military action to undermine IS, however the ramping up of our further action is a symbolic one for political reasons..
but without troops on the ground it will only have a limited success, certainly with the mess that it is out there with Turkey attacking the Kurd's and Russia attacking anyone opposed to Assad..
there are many flaws in Cameron's current position which had he corrected or could be more precise about (yes its a lot of analysis by experts and guess work given the situation i accept) then he may well have most of the house with him..
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"Just listened to Corbyn's loony lefty speech in the commons on the Syria air strikes debate that is currently ongoing. His position that air strikes in Syria will make the uk more of a target for ISIS is complete nonsense. We are ALREADY a target, there have been 7 foiled plots this year in the UK by Islamic extremists to attack us. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, we are already at war with them and they want to attack us whether we conduct airstrikes in Syria or not. There is a UN resolution to attack ISIS and Our allies the french and the USA, (among others) have asked for the UK's help, we need to show solidarity with them.
IS said the Paris attacks were because of French bombing in Syria.
If you don't see that there is a direct link between bombing in Syria and a potential increase in terrorism it's because you don't want to see it.
IS confirmed what their reason was, ignore it if you like.
And the 7 foiled plots in the UK this year already (while we have not attacked Syria.....yet).
Ok then, bomb Syria and we'll be more safe.
That won't increase the chance of an attack here.
That won't radicalise more people against us.
Yeah, it'll all be hunky dory.
As Liam Fox conservative MP said earlier in the debate sometimes you don't choose war but war chooses you, we'd all rather not have any wars but ISIS want a war with us whether we like it or not.
Yes, give the terrorists just what they want. "
do you think if we do nothing they will just go away..? |
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"Just listened to Corbyn's loony lefty speech in the commons on the Syria air strikes debate that is currently ongoing. His position that air strikes in Syria will make the uk more of a target for ISIS is complete nonsense. We are ALREADY a target, there have been 7 foiled plots this year in the UK by Islamic extremists to attack us. We are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, we are already at war with them and they want to attack us whether we conduct airstrikes in Syria or not. There is a UN resolution to attack ISIS and Our allies the french and the USA, (among others) have asked for the UK's help, we need to show solidarity with them.
IS said the Paris attacks were because of French bombing in Syria.
If you don't see that there is a direct link between bombing in Syria and a potential increase in terrorism it's because you don't want to see it.
IS confirmed what their reason was, ignore it if you like.
And the 7 foiled plots in the UK this year already (while we have not attacked Syria.....yet).
Ok then, bomb Syria and we'll be more safe.
That won't increase the chance of an attack here.
That won't radicalise more people against us.
Yeah, it'll all be hunky dory.
As Liam Fox conservative MP said earlier in the debate sometimes you don't choose war but war chooses you, we'd all rather not have any wars but ISIS want a war with us whether we like it or not.
Yes, give the terrorists just what they want.
do you think if we do nothing they will just go away..?"
No, but airstrikes haven't worked so far have they? Did they bring peace to Libya?
Maybe we're seeing mission creep. Mass boots on the ground may not be far off.
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So many experts here on the security of our country and the rest of the world. it's amazing how many qualified people there are that have a solution.
So much behind the scenes that never gets into the media, it's called confidential material, so we have to try and trust that someone is making the right decision for us in an attempt to stay safe in this country.
Nothing will ever be ideal, it's life!!! Unfortunately people have different ideas about what peace is.
99.9 % of people would not last 5 mins ( and I do mean 5 mins ) as PM for the Britain. Their job is a thankless task no matter which party is in government.
Just be thankful that we are reasonably civilised in this country and on the whole enjoy our freedom. |
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"So many experts here on the security of our country and the rest of the world. it's amazing how many qualified people there are that have a solution.
So much behind the scenes that never gets into the media, it's called confidential material, so we have to try and trust that someone is making the right decision for us in an attempt to stay safe in this country.
Nothing will ever be ideal, it's life!!! Unfortunately people have different ideas about what peace is.
99.9 % of people would not last 5 mins ( and I do mean 5 mins ) as PM for the Britain. Their job is a thankless task no matter which party is in government.
Just be thankful that we are reasonably civilised in this country and on the whole enjoy our freedom. "
and within that freedom is the ability to have an opinion on an issue and to respect other's opinions when they express said opinions.. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I question pretty much everything in the media now a days. I don't read newspapers either.
Bias and sensitisation is what sells.
It frightens me that one Facebook post becomes mass hysteria
It's the worse possible Chinese whispers ever "
Well I listened to a lot of the debate live, and it came straight of his mouth (the refusing to take back to comments part) so its not media bias, or mass hysteria, or chinese whispers. |
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14 years of fucking it up and helping to create more terrorists - tell you what let's keep making the same mistakes and then we feel better in your arm chairs or down the pub - volunteer for the front line and you may have my respect in your delusion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"14 years of fucking it up and helping to create more terrorists - tell you what let's keep making the same mistakes and then we feel better in your arm chairs or down the pub - volunteer for the front line and you may have my respect in your delusion. "
Have you served then??? |
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"14 years of fucking it up and helping to create more terrorists - tell you what let's keep making the same mistakes and then we feel better in your arm chairs or down the pub - volunteer for the front line and you may have my respect in your delusion. "
funny enough several on here have been on the'front line'..
just what solution do you have to the present lot of terrorists..?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So many experts here on the security of our country and the rest of the world. it's amazing how many qualified people there are that have a solution.
So much behind the scenes that never gets into the media, it's called confidential material, so we have to try and trust that someone is making the right decision for us in an attempt to stay safe in this country.
Nothing will ever be ideal, it's life!!! Unfortunately people have different ideas about what peace is.
99.9 % of people would not last 5 mins ( and I do mean 5 mins ) as PM for the Britain. Their job is a thankless task no matter which party is in government.
Just be thankful that we are reasonably civilised in this country and on the whole enjoy our freedom. "
Amen to this. I think you're being generous with your 99.5%. |
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Most certainly we all have the right to an opinion in this country. Because of the security and freedom that we have. Some of the poor souls in these war torn countries are not able to live freely in their own country. They too rely on more civilised countries to come to their aid, whether that's bombing thier enemies or sending food and supplies. There is no pain free solution to these troubles and doubt there ever will be. I personally have no idea whether it's right or wrong to bomb these terrorists. Just hope what ever is decided helps to reduce the suffering throughout the world. |
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By *educedWoman
over a year ago
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I'm an extremist then and I don't care.
I don't think we have thought this through in the long term. Air strikes (and military action) have not solved anything in Iraq in fact it made matters worse. How will it solve issues in Syria? Deash may topple but what then? What happens then? That's what I don't understand.
And yeah I am one of those who cares deeply about the millions of displaced people and the thousands who will die as a direct result of the bombings. Thousands more will die of hypothermia etc.
It's tragic. It's heartbreaking.
As an aside I don't care which politician said what! The humanitarian crisis we face is bigger and more important than politics. Soundbites pale into insignificance from this moment on.
I feel totally helpless and unhelpful |
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Really though...can't believe Cameron comes out with this shit.
