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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, " Would it not be considered a hate crime? | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? " Possibly. If it was about any other section of society it would be. | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? " I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit. | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit." If it did though the end doesnt justifie the means. Their bodies their life. I honestly dont get why strangers care?? | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? Possibly. If it was about any other section of society it would be." | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit. If it did though the end doesnt justifie the means. Their bodies their life. I honestly dont get why strangers care??" Exactly my thought | |||
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"The stories I've found the cards are only being handed out to women. Think some of the members are on here " I think you're probably right | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit. If it did though the end doesnt justifie the means. Their bodies their life. I honestly dont get why strangers care??" why do people hate gay people why do people hate immigrants why do people..... there will always be some who hate others for a multitude of factors, thats the human race, sadly. some.... | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit. If it did though the end doesnt justifie the means. Their bodies their life. I honestly dont get why strangers care?? why do people hate gay people why do people hate immigrants why do people..... there will always be some who hate others for a multitude of factors, thats the human race, sadly. some...." Yes thats exactly my point.... | |||
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"I've too many cards in my purse as it is. " | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit. If it did though the end doesnt justifie the means. Their bodies their life. I honestly dont get why strangers care??" I certainly don't approve of the card thing, but obesity is a major problem in the UK and now costs the NHS more than treatment for smoking related illnesses. | |||
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"What must go through the minds of people to devise such a scheme and then put it to others as a viable option? As a balance on Woman's Hour the other day they inter_iewed a woman who handed out cards saying "I appreciate your look" to people who in her opinion had made an effort to dress individually." I worked with an American consultant who dressed beautifully. Really elegant lady. She once went upto someone at Euston and told them the outfit they had on didn't match | |||
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"shocking story online of members of the public being handed cards from random strangers on London Underground stating they are members of Overweight Haters Ltd and that fat people like those who have been handed a card are disgusting wastes of space etc " The more I read these forums. The more I feel the UK is turning into America...... | |||
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"The stories I've found the cards are only being handed out to women. Think some of the members are on here " Is there proof it's definitely more than one random dickhead handing them out? From what I've read it's a man who drops them in women's laps then quickly leaves | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit. If it did though the end doesnt justifie the means. Their bodies their life. I honestly dont get why strangers care?? I certainly don't approve of the card thing, but obesity is a major problem in the UK and now costs the NHS more than treatment for smoking related illnesses." Id bet a lot of money their intentions arent motivated by a love/sympathy for the nhs.. | |||
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"What must go through the minds of people to devise such a scheme and then put it to others as a viable option? As a balance on Woman's Hour the other day they inter_iewed a woman who handed out cards saying "I appreciate your look" to people who in her opinion had made an effort to dress individually. I worked with an American consultant who dressed beautifully. Really elegant lady. She once went upto someone at Euston and told them the outfit they had on didn't match " | |||
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"shocking story online of members of the public being handed cards from random strangers on London Underground stating they are members of Overweight Haters Ltd and that fat people like those who have been handed a card are disgusting wastes of space etc " These people need to hate something or somebody; sad really that they can't get on with their own lives | |||
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"It's a free country. I can only guess at their motives. Might be a legit attempt to challenge popular _iews. Might just be malicious mischief. Seen the word 'vile' bandied about ad nauseum once again (on other forums). Just don't get why having a _iew you don't agree with is vile amongst people who generally have strong _iews that others probably don't agree with. I'd love to see more reasoned arguing of a point and less populist labelling. " I kinda of get your point but singling people out in my book is just bullying...and that is vile as a grown adult which clearly these people arent.. | |||
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"It's a free country. I can only guess at their motives. Might be a legit attempt to challenge popular _iews. Might just be malicious mischief. Seen the word 'vile' bandied about ad nauseum once again (on other forums). Just don't get why having a _iew you don't agree with is vile amongst people who generally have strong _iews that others probably don't agree with. I'd love to see more reasoned arguing of a point and less populist labelling. I kinda of get your point but singling people out in my book is just bullying...and that is vile as a grown adult which clearly these people arent.. " Pooch and I dont like bullies | |||
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"It's a free country. I can only guess at their motives. Might be a legit attempt to challenge popular _iews. Might just be malicious mischief. Seen the word 'vile' bandied about ad nauseum once again (on other forums). Just don't get why having a _iew you don't agree with is vile amongst people who generally have strong _iews that others probably don't agree with. I'd love to see more reasoned arguing of a point and less populist labelling. " The leaflet is entitled 'overweight haters'. That isn't someone reasonably and rationally putting forward an alternative _iewpoint. It's deliberately antagonistic language designed to evoke shame and embarrassment. I'd say 'vile' is the perfect word to describe their approach to addressing obesity. | |||
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"Sounds a bit pathetic But so is calling hate a crime. How can there be such a thing as hate crime" It isn't the hate that's the crime it's acting on it that is. Hateful actions are often criminal. | |||
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"Some people are just wankers. There's a cure for being fat provided the person wants to do it. And it can only come from themselves. Speaking as an ex-fat, moving through chubby and hopefully seeing where I end up type anyway. There is, however, no cure for being a cunt. Not that I've found, anyway." There's not always a cure for being fat as it depends on why the person is fat. I suffer from a genetic condition called Lipoedema or painful fat syndrome as it's also known which means my body creates abnormal fat cells which diet nor execise will ever reduce. I eat clean, no carbs, no sugars, wheat free and gluten free yet I still remain the same. Not all fat is from staying on your arse and stuffing your face which is what the majority of society think | |||
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"I've too many cards in my purse as it is. " | |||
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"Some people are just wankers. There's a cure for being fat provided the person wants to do it. And it can only come from themselves. Speaking as an ex-fat, moving through chubby and hopefully seeing where I end up type anyway. There is, however, no cure for being a cunt. Not that I've found, anyway. There's not always a cure for being fat as it depends on why the person is fat. I suffer from a genetic condition called Lipoedema or painful fat syndrome as it's also known which means my body creates abnormal fat cells which diet nor execise will ever reduce. I eat clean, no carbs, no sugars, wheat free and gluten free yet I still remain the same. Not all fat is from staying on your arse and stuffing your face which is what the majority of society think " this is what annoys me. Judgemental fuckers that think overweight people are lazy and eat constantly. I've previously had to discuss my weight, when I shouldn't have to justify it. My ill health has feck all to do with ignorant people. | |||
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"I'd go to a card printing shop and get some done saying you are in the cock guzzling wank stain brigade " And hand them to said fat hater....seriously this type of thing royally fucks me off who the fuck do people really think they are...it's the same as the fat shaming on here do people not consider the negitive impact it has on people. | |||
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"Oh FFS. What a bunch of cunts. How fat does one have to be to qualify for a card? " I don't know but I do know if I got handed such a card the first thing I would think of wouldn't be how much weight I've lost and how well I've done but where the nearest shop selling Krispy Kremes, crisps or Dairy Milk popping candy chocolate would be. | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit. If it did though the end doesnt justifie the means. Their bodies their life. I honestly dont get why strangers care?? Exactly my thought " Iv always found being put down about my weight upsets me and then I comfort eat! | |||
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"Sometimes, I do a little search on Fab & wonder if the results are from the US side of the site " | |||
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"It's a free country. I can only guess at their motives. Might be a legit attempt to challenge popular _iews. Might just be malicious mischief. Seen the word 'vile' bandied about ad nauseum once again (on other forums). Just don't get why having a _iew you don't agree with is vile amongst people who generally have strong _iews that others probably don't agree with. I'd love to see more reasoned arguing of a point and less populist labelling. " In this case it's not the holding of the _iew that's vile, it's handing someone else a card telling them you hate them for being a certain way that's vile. In no way is it reasoned arguing of a point. It's just being a cunt, probably for publicity of some kind. | |||
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"It's a free country. I can only guess at their motives. Might be a legit attempt to challenge popular _iews. Might just be malicious mischief. Seen the word 'vile' bandied about ad nauseum once again (on other forums). Just don't get why having a _iew you don't agree with is vile amongst people who generally have strong _iews that others probably don't agree with. I'd love to see more reasoned arguing of a point and less populist labelling. In this case it's not the holding of the _iew that's vile, it's handing someone else a card telling them you hate them for being a certain way that's vile. In no way is it reasoned arguing of a point. It's just being a cunt, probably for publicity of some kind. " Probably went to an evening with Kate Hopkins | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit. If it did though the end doesnt justifie the means. Their bodies their life. I honestly dont get why strangers care?? Exactly my thought Iv always found being put down about my weight upsets me and then I comfort eat!" Me too. I've never been successfully shamed into losing weight by any one of these fuckers. When I feel better about myself is when I'm likely to make healthier choices. If I got one of those cards I'd probably go straight home and binge | |||
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"Lets make some new cards give them.to any one they should say Your unique, amazing , brilliant and beautiful. Your the best you there ever can be . Smile your fantastic ..." I like this idea... | |||
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"Lets make some new cards give them.to any one they should say Your unique, amazing , brilliant and beautiful. Your the best you there ever can be . Smile your fantastic ... I like this idea... " They do this in work places | |||
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"Have any men been handed a card or is it only women?" someone mentioned just women i think xx | |||
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"It's a free country. I can only guess at their motives. Might be a legit attempt to challenge popular _iews. Might just be malicious mischief. Seen the word 'vile' bandied about ad nauseum once again (on other forums). Just don't get why having a _iew you don't agree with is vile amongst people who generally have strong _iews that others probably don't agree with. I'd love to see more reasoned arguing of a point and less populist The leaflet is entitled 'overweight haters'. That isn't someone reasonably and rationally putting forward an alternative _iewpoint. It's deliberately antagonistic language designed to evoke shame and embarrassment. I'd say 'vile' is the perfect word to describe their approach to addressing obesity." Lots of campaigning and protesting is designed to evoke shame and embarrassment. Fair amount of antagonism too. I'm sure there are many cases to be made to attempt to change the _iews and behaviours of others and this activity is no exception. My point is that so much conversation these days seems to consist of making a personal point and 'dropping the mike' as if all further comment is redundant. Vile is just a word to close down debate. It works well and serves no purpose that I can see other than to drive a populist _iew. I.e you can disagree with me but that will make you 'vile' too | |||
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"Have any men been handed a card or is it only women?someone mentioned just women i think xx" So they're cowards as well as cunts then | |||
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"If this happens to me, I shall first lecture them on all that I do in my job, my activism outside of work, and point out that I was able to run after and catch them. I shall then take their photo and let them know that I am reporting them for committing a hate crime. All politely, and calmly of course. Just like the time some "yoofs" called my wife a "fat slut" on the tube. My response was "how do you know she's a slut? Was it you at the club last night?" before finding a BTP officer who laid down the law to them about insulting people. " Id just say i understand your jealousy at me having a lot more sex than you. Not your fault your a cunt | |||
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"Well I searched and it's still just the ONE card by the ONE man though there is another man that claims he saw another man giving another woman a card. Talk about Chinese whispers. " let us hope that it doesn't catch on. | |||
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"It's a free country. I can only guess at their motives. Might be a legit attempt to challenge popular _iews. Might just be malicious mischief. Seen the word 'vile' bandied about ad nauseum once again (on other forums). Just don't get why having a _iew you don't agree with is vile amongst people who generally have strong _iews that others probably don't agree with. I'd love to see more reasoned arguing of a point and less populist The leaflet is entitled 'overweight haters'. That isn't someone reasonably and rationally putting forward an alternative _iewpoint. It's deliberately antagonistic language designed to evoke shame and embarrassment. I'd say 'vile' is the perfect word to describe their approach to addressing obesity. Lots of campaigning and protesting is designed to evoke shame and embarrassment. Fair amount of antagonism too. I'm sure there are many cases to be made to attempt to change the _iews and behaviours of others and this activity is no exception. My point is that so much conversation these days seems to consist of making a personal point and 'dropping the mike' as if all further comment is redundant. Vile is just a word to close down debate. It works well and serves no purpose that I can see other than to drive a populist _iew. I.e you can disagree with me but that will make you 'vile' too" But it isn't a debate when the person(s) begins with hateful and shaming language as demonstrated in the leaflet in question. It isn't designed to invite an open discourse on the subject of obesity. It's designed to shut anybody with opposing _iews down before they even have a chance to react. | |||
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"Some people must lead very sad unfulfilled lives if they feel the need to start hate campaigns against other people based on their appearance. No one who is happy in their life and themselves would feel the need to abuse others. " | |||
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"It's a free country. I can only guess at their motives. Might be a legit attempt to challenge popular _iews. Might just be malicious mischief. Seen the word 'vile' bandied about ad nauseum once again (on other forums). Just don't get why having a _iew you don't agree with is vile amongst people who generally have strong _iews that others probably don't agree with. I'd love to see more reasoned arguing of a point and less populist The leaflet is entitled 'overweight haters'. That isn't someone reasonably and rationally putting forward an alternative _iewpoint. It's deliberately antagonistic language designed to evoke shame and embarrassment. I'd say 'vile' is the perfect word to describe their approach to addressing obesity. Lots of campaigning and protesting is designed to evoke shame and embarrassment. Fair amount of antagonism too. I'm sure there are many cases to be made to attempt to change the _iews and behaviours of others and this activity is no exception. My point is that so much conversation these days seems to consist of making a personal point and 'dropping the mike' as if all further comment is redundant. Vile is just a word to close down debate. It works well and serves no purpose that I can see other than to drive a populist _iew. I.e you can disagree with me but that will make you 'vile' too But it isn't a debate when the person(s) begins with hateful and shaming language as demonstrated in the leaflet in question. It isn't designed to invite an open discourse on the subject of obesity. It's designed to shut anybody with opposing _iews down before they even have a chance to react. " No, the card isn't the debate. No, the behaviour of the person with the card isn't debating. The debate goes on every day on the TV, in policy discussions, on forums and in homes. The card and the tactic are just a tiny part of the sentiments and _iews that sit within the debate. In a nutshell it's still about free speech. Which People are mostly in favour of right up until they don't like what is being said. | |||
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"Well I searched and it's still just the ONE card by the ONE man though there is another man that claims he saw another man giving another woman a card. Talk about Chinese whispers. " Is there a news site link? I wonder if there was even one man...... | |||
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"It's a free country. I can only guess at their motives. Might be a legit attempt to challenge popular _iews. Might just be malicious mischief. Seen the word 'vile' bandied about ad nauseum once again (on other forums). Just don't get why having a _iew you don't agree with is vile amongst people who generally have strong _iews that others probably don't agree with. I'd love to see more reasoned arguing of a point and less populist labelling. " Exactly | |||
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"Well I searched and it's still just the ONE card by the ONE man though there is another man that claims he saw another man giving another woman a card. Talk about Chinese whispers. Is there a news site link? I wonder if there was even one man......" Ok found the news report. Think I'd just laugh if someone handed me that rubbish on a card. "Perverted chubby chasers"... I want some of those. My money is on it being a publicity stunt for a diet drink, a diet programme or something like that. | |||
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"Well I searched and it's still just the ONE card by the ONE man though there is another man that claims he saw another man giving another woman a card. Talk about Chinese whispers. " Yes one woman stuck it on Facebook and now it's world news. | |||
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"The stories I've found the cards are only being handed out to women. Think some of the members are on here " only to women... so hateful and cowardly... if they gave then out to men as well could you imagine the embarrasment if one was to take a "shoeing" off a fat bloke!!! not condoning violence at all.... ... can i say "clip round the earhole" instead....... | |||
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"Well I searched and it's still just the ONE card by the ONE man though there is another man that claims he saw another man giving another woman a card. Talk about Chinese whispers. Is there a news site link? I wonder if there was even one man...... Ok found the news report. Think I'd just laugh if someone handed me that rubbish on a card. "Perverted chubby chasers"... I want some of those. My money is on it being a publicity stunt for a diet drink, a diet programme or something like that. " Didn't some manufacturer do the "beach fit" campaign a while ago? That wasn't even half as bad and that backfired I guess any publicity is good publicity; except that I've forgotten who they were | |||
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"The stories I've found the cards are only being handed out to women. Think some of the members are on here Is there proof it's definitely more than one random dickhead handing them out? From what I've read it's a man who drops them in women's laps then quickly leaves " I fucking bet he scarpers quick. | |||
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"The stories I've found the cards are only being handed out to women. Think some of the members are on here " They probably haven't got the balls to hand one to a man I think a man receiving such a card would act very differently to a woman | |||
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"Well I searched and it's still just the ONE card by the ONE man though there is another man that claims he saw another man giving another woman a card. Talk about Chinese whispers. Is there a news site link? I wonder if there was even one man...... Ok found the news report. Think I'd just laugh if someone handed me that rubbish on a card. "Perverted chubby chasers"... I want some of those. My money is on it being a publicity stunt for a diet drink, a diet programme or something like that. Didn't some manufacturer do the "beach fit" campaign a while ago? That wasn't even half as bad and that backfired I guess any publicity is good publicity; except that I've forgotten who they were " Poster of a woman in a yellow bikini. Think it was KFC. | |||
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"Well I searched and it's still just the ONE card by the ONE man though there is another man that claims he saw another man giving another woman a card. Talk about Chinese whispers. Is there a news site link? I wonder if there was even one man...... Ok found the news report. Think I'd just laugh if someone handed me that rubbish on a card. "Perverted chubby chasers"... I want some of those. My money is on it being a publicity stunt for a diet drink, a diet programme or something like that. Didn't some manufacturer do the "beach fit" campaign a while ago? That wasn't even half as bad and that backfired I guess any publicity is good publicity; except that I've forgotten who they were Poster of a woman in a yellow bikini. Think it was KFC. " The chicken people??? Wow; Who wants an underweight skinny chicken? | |||
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"shocking story online of members of the public being handed cards from random strangers on London Underground stating they are members of Overweight Haters Ltd and that fat people like those who have been handed a card are disgusting wastes of space etc " throw it away and get on with your life laughing as you go. if they want to hate and waste their money on stupid cards then let them, just because they say it doesnt mean i have to listen or care. | |||
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"The stories I've found the cards are only being handed out to women. Think some of the members are on here only to women... so hateful and cowardly... if they gave then out to men as well could you imagine the embarrasment if one was to take a "shoeing" off a fat bloke!!! not condoning violence at all.... ... can i say "clip round the earhole" instead......." I would slap them silly if I saw it. | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? " Nah a weight crime | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? Possibly. If it was about any other section of society it would be." It is as its sizist. Therefore discrimination. | |||
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"shocking story online of members of the public being handed cards from random strangers on London Underground stating they are members of Overweight Haters Ltd and that fat people like those who have been handed a card are disgusting wastes of space etc " I can only imagine they here alot of cards | |||
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"I would point at him as he ran off and scream "That man just touched my vagina!" " even if it wasn't true? | |||
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"I would point at him as he ran off and scream "That man just touched my vagina!" even if it wasn't true?" It was a joke | |||
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"The other incident was a man with a beard handing out a card. Says it all really. " | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? Possibly. If it was about any other section of society it would be. It is as its sizist. Therefore discrimination. " It is not discrimination Discrimination requires that a person is disadvantaged when compared against a 'comparator'. The comparator for overweight people can only be people who are not overweight Handing out leaflets/card, not matter how tasteless, does not discrimate against an overweight person. It is very thoughtless and most probably intended to cause hurt but it is neither discrimination nor a hate crime | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, " Actually it's abuse and, if caught, they could be prosecuted for their actions. That being said, I did some research on these cards tonight and I suspect that they are linked directly to a new start-up Internet company who are trying to gain fame through infamomy. . . | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? Possibly. If it was about any other section of society it would be. It is as its sizist. Therefore discrimination. It is not discrimination Discrimination requires that a person is disadvantaged when compared against a 'comparator'. The comparator for overweight people can only be people who are not overweight Handing out leaflets/card, not matter how tasteless, does not discrimate against an overweight person. It is very thoughtless and most probably intended to cause hurt but it is neither discrimination nor a hate crime" No but it is abuse and can be prosecuted against. . . | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? Possibly. If it was about any other section of society it would be. It is as its sizist. Therefore discrimination. It is not discrimination Discrimination requires that a person is disadvantaged when compared against a 'comparator'. The comparator for overweight people can only be people who are not overweight Handing out leaflets/card, not matter how tasteless, does not discrimate against an overweight person. It is very thoughtless and most probably intended to cause hurt but it is neither discrimination nor a hate crime No but it is abuse and can be prosecuted against. . ." Nope; unpleasant and unnecessary as it is, telling overweight people that they are overweight is not abuse and nor can any prosecution be initiated; neither by the CPS nor in a civil case Sorry, but the way it stands, people can hurt others for no reason whatsoever and get away with it It would be hate speech if the cards were encouraging people to physically hurt overweight people. However, I don't think that is what was happening I detest this behaviour too but unfortunately, there are no legal remedies | |||
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"I've too many cards in my purse as it is. " its the person that's beautiful not the weight they carry | |||
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"I've too many cards in my purse as it is. its the person that's beautiful not the weight they carry " Ok. You can stay. Cake? | |||
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"I've too many cards in my purse as it is. its the person that's beautiful not the weight they carry Ok. You can stay. Cake?" Mrs Mac is a particularly beautiful woman xxx is it black forest gateau? | |||
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"I've too many cards in my purse as it is. its the person that's beautiful not the weight they carry Ok. You can stay. Cake?Mrs Mac is a particularly beautiful woman xxx is it black forest gateau?" Is there any other cake? | |||
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"I've too many cards in my purse as it is. its the person that's beautiful not the weight they carry Ok. You can stay. Cake?Mrs Mac is a particularly beautiful woman xxx is it black forest gateau? Yes I like cheesecakes various flavours xx Is there any other cake?" | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? Possibly. If it was about any other section of society it would be. It is as its sizist. Therefore discrimination. It is not discrimination Discrimination requires that a person is disadvantaged when compared against a 'comparator'. The comparator for overweight people can only be people who are not overweight Handing out leaflets/card, not matter how tasteless, does not discrimate against an overweight person. It is very thoughtless and most probably intended to cause hurt but it is neither discrimination nor a hate crime No but it is abuse and can be prosecuted against. . . Nope; unpleasant and unnecessary as it is, telling overweight people that they are overweight is not abuse and nor can any prosecution be initiated; neither by the CPS nor in a civil case Sorry, but the way it stands, people can hurt others for no reason whatsoever and get away with it It would be hate speech if the cards were encouraging people to physically hurt overweight people. However, I don't think that is what was happening I detest this behaviour too but unfortunately, there are no legal remedies " if it became some new craze, I'd wager it would count as offensive real life trolling. shall we also accept that these cards could be given out to children and teenagers by their peers?(lets call them bullies) Nobody has the right to subject anyone,particularly someone they dont even know, to emotional abuse...which is what it is. though if it was a game of trumps I'd say handing the perp a level 10 'you are a sad cunt card' would bring a smile to my face. | |||
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"... No but it is abuse and can be prosecuted against. . . Nope; unpleasant and unnecessary as it is, telling overweight people that they are overweight is not abuse and nor can any prosecution be initiated; neither by the CPS nor in a civil case Sorry, but the way it stands, people can hurt others for no reason whatsoever and get away with it It would be hate speech if the cards were encouraging people to physically hurt overweight people. However, I don't think that is what was happening I detest this behaviour too but unfortunately, there are no legal remedies if it became some new craze, I'd wager it would count as offensive real life trolling." " shall we also accept that these cards could be given out to children and teenagers by their peers?(lets call them bullies)" You have a point. The moment these cards are given out by this man, he then becomes liable if these end up being used by bullies in a playground " Nobody has the right to subject anyone,particularly someone they dont even know, to emotional abuse...which is what it is." Yes, it is emotional abuse; but not like in a domestic abuse or safeguarding sense and therefore, unfortunately, perfectly legal " though if it was a game of trumps I'd say handing the perp a level 10 'you are a sad cunt card' would bring a smile to my face." Now, that I like | |||
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"... No but it is abuse and can be prosecuted against. . . Nope; unpleasant and unnecessary as it is, telling overweight people that they are overweight is not abuse and nor can any prosecution be initiated; neither by the CPS nor in a civil case Sorry, but the way it stands, people can hurt others for no reason whatsoever and get away with it It would be hate speech if the cards were encouraging people to physically hurt overweight people. However, I don't think that is what was happening I detest this behaviour too but unfortunately, there are no legal remedies if it became some new craze, I'd wager it would count as offensive real life trolling. shall we also accept that these cards could be given out to children and teenagers by their peers?(lets call them bullies) You have a point. The moment these cards are given out by this man, he then becomes liable if these end up being used by bullies in a playground Nobody has the right to subject anyone,particularly someone they dont even know, to emotional abuse...which is what it is. Yes, it is emotional abuse; but not like in a domestic abuse or safeguarding sense and therefore, unfortunately, perfectly legal though if it was a game of trumps I'd say handing the perp a level 10 'you are a sad cunt card' would bring a smile to my face. Now, that I like " Can we stop saying "cards" as it's card...singular. | |||
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"... No but it is abuse and can be prosecuted against. . . Nope; unpleasant and unnecessary as it is, telling overweight people that they are overweight is not abuse and nor can any prosecution be initiated; neither by the CPS nor in a civil case Sorry, but the way it stands, people can hurt others for no reason whatsoever and get away with it It would be hate speech if the cards were encouraging people to physically hurt overweight people. However, I don't think that is what was happening I detest this behaviour too but unfortunately, there are no legal remedies if it became some new craze, I'd wager it would count as offensive real life trolling. shall we also accept that these cards could be given out to children and teenagers by their peers?(lets call them bullies) You have a point. The moment these cards are given out by this man, he then becomes liable if these end up being used by bullies in a playground Nobody has the right to subject anyone,particularly someone they dont even know, to emotional abuse...which is what it is. Yes, it is emotional abuse; but not like in a domestic abuse or safeguarding sense and therefore, unfortunately, perfectly legal though if it was a game of trumps I'd say handing the perp a level 10 'you are a sad cunt card' would bring a smile to my face. Now, that I like Can we stop saying "cards" as it's card...singular." hands level 6 pedantic hypothetical summoner witch card to tx *the point is, the initial op appeared to think this might be a group of people handing out cards like this...some have agreed its free speech etc the card(see got it right), as stated by the op, says quite hurtful messages..it is a card thats based on ridicule,humiliation and abuse. if anyone cannot see why an authoritative body might have an issue with this..I wonder. again...I'd draw attention to this sort of behaviour being mainstream accepted as free speech, that would go unpunished?- it certainly wouldnt be tolerated in a school environment..why should it anywhere else? whats next on the free speech agenda.. | |||
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"... *the point is, the initial op appeared to think this might be a group of people handing out cards like this...some have agreed its free speech etc the card(see got it right), as stated by the op, says quite hurtful messages..it is a card thats based on ridicule,humiliation and abuse. if anyone cannot see why an authoritative body might have an issue with this..I wonder. again...I'd draw attention to this sort of behaviour being mainstream accepted as free speech, that would go unpunished?- it certainly wouldnt be tolerated in a school environment..why should it anywhere else? whats next on the free speech agenda.." Katie Hopkins, Germaine Greer; apologies, those are 'free thinkers' engaging in 'debate' | |||
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"... *the point is, the initial op appeared to think this might be a group of people handing out cards like this...some have agreed its free speech etc the card(see got it right), as stated by the op, says quite hurtful messages..it is a card thats based on ridicule,humiliation and abuse. if anyone cannot see why an authoritative body might have an issue with this..I wonder. again...I'd draw attention to this sort of behaviour being mainstream accepted as free speech, that would go unpunished?- it certainly wouldnt be tolerated in a school environment..why should it anywhere else? whats next on the free speech agenda.. Katie Hopkins, Germaine Greer; apologies, those are 'free thinkers' engaging in 'debate'" Katie hiking does not engage in debate,she engages in nastiness to further her own agenda and career. | |||
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"... *the point is, the initial op appeared to think this might be a group of people handing out cards like this...some have agreed its free speech etc the card(see got it right), as stated by the op, says quite hurtful messages..it is a card thats based on ridicule,humiliation and abuse. if anyone cannot see why an authoritative body might have an issue with this..I wonder. again...I'd draw attention to this sort of behaviour being mainstream accepted as free speech, that would go unpunished?- it certainly wouldnt be tolerated in a school environment..why should it anywhere else? whats next on the free speech agenda.. Katie Hopkins, Germaine Greer; apologies, those are 'free thinkers' engaging in 'debate' Katie hiking does not engage in debate,she engages in nastiness to further her own agenda and career. " So does the other nasty - Greer; so do the 'preachers' But that is the price of free speech | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Actually it's abuse and, if caught, they could be prosecuted for their actions. That being said, I did some research on these cards tonight and I suspect that they are linked directly to a new start-up Internet company who are trying to gain fame through infamomy. . ." Interesting. Any details? | |||
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"... No but it is abuse and can be prosecuted against. . . Nope; unpleasant and unnecessary as it is, telling overweight people that they are overweight is not abuse and nor can any prosecution be initiated; neither by the CPS nor in a civil case Sorry, but the way it stands, people can hurt others for no reason whatsoever and get away with it It would be hate speech if the cards were encouraging people to physically hurt overweight people. However, I don't think that is what was happening I detest this behaviour too but unfortunately, there are no legal remedies if it became some new craze, I'd wager it would count as offensive real life trolling. shall we also accept that these cards could be given out to children and teenagers by their peers?(lets call them bullies) You have a point. The moment these cards are given out by this man, he then becomes liable if these end up being used by bullies in a playground Nobody has the right to subject anyone,particularly someone they dont even know, to emotional abuse...which is what it is. Yes, it is emotional abuse; but not like in a domestic abuse or safeguarding sense and therefore, unfortunately, perfectly legal though if it was a game of trumps I'd say handing the perp a level 10 'you are a sad cunt card' would bring a smile to my face. Now, that I like Can we stop saying "cards" as it's card...singular. hands level 6 pedantic hypothetical summoner witch card to tx *the point is, the initial op appeared to think this might be a group of people handing out cards like this...some have agreed its free speech etc the card(see got it right), as stated by the op, says quite hurtful messages..it is a card thats based on ridicule,humiliation and abuse. if anyone cannot see why an authoritative body might have an issue with this..I wonder. again...I'd draw attention to this sort of behaviour being mainstream accepted as free speech, that would go unpunished?- it certainly wouldnt be tolerated in a school environment..why should it anywhere else? whats next on the free speech agenda.." Thing is what "organisation" prints a single card and hands it to a single individual? And not even the biggest person on the train carriage? Just seems too untrue | |||
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"So who decides who's fat and who isn't? People can weigh the same, but have totally different body shapes - " Anything over 35% body fat? | |||
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"... *the point is, the initial op appeared to think this might be a group of people handing out cards like this...some have agreed its free speech etc the card(see got it right), as stated by the op, says quite hurtful messages..it is a card thats based on ridicule,humiliation and abuse. if anyone cannot see why an authoritative body might have an issue with this..I wonder. again...I'd draw attention to this sort of behaviour being mainstream accepted as free speech, that would go unpunished?- it certainly wouldnt be tolerated in a school environment..why should it anywhere else? whats next on the free speech agenda.. Katie Hopkins, Germaine Greer; apologies, those are 'free thinkers' engaging in 'debate' Katie hiking does not engage in debate,she engages in nastiness to further her own agenda and career. So does the other nasty - Greer; so do the 'preachers' But that is the price of free speech" I'd say Greer has more informed statements to debate than Hopkins. Didn't she once claim she wouldn't let any of her kids play with children named after places as it they were from lower class families yet her daughter is called India?! | |||
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"So who decides who's fat and who isn't? People can weigh the same, but have totally different body shapes - Anything over 35% body fat? " Any woman over 35% body fat Any man over 25% body fat | |||
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"... *the point is, the initial op appeared to think this might be a group of people handing out cards like this...some have agreed its free speech etc the card(see got it right), as stated by the op, says quite hurtful messages..it is a card thats based on ridicule,humiliation and abuse. if anyone cannot see why an authoritative body might have an issue with this..I wonder. again...I'd draw attention to this sort of behaviour being mainstream accepted as free speech, that would go unpunished?- it certainly wouldnt be tolerated in a school environment..why should it anywhere else? whats next on the free speech agenda.. Katie Hopkins, Germaine Greer; apologies, those are 'free thinkers' engaging in 'debate' Katie hiking does not engage in debate,she engages in nastiness to further her own agenda and career. So does the other nasty - Greer; so do the 'preachers' But that is the price of free speech I'd say Greer has more informed statements to debate than Hopkins. Didn't she once claim she wouldn't let any of her kids play with children named after places as it they were from lower class families yet her daughter is called India?! " I am certain that Hopkins slipped in a few pink and fluffy comments here and there too so that people then _iew her as making other informed statements to debate Truth is the neither every relies on established evidence and both are there to cause as much mischief and hurt as they possibly can | |||
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"My wife is already anxious about a tube journey she is expecting to take this eevening due to these reports. Not everyone has the guts I do (pun intended) to call out a card giver in front of the public. If it turns out to be a publicity stunt I shall encourage my rather large network to boycott the company. " Although I would be shocked if someone handed me something on the tube,I would read it and laugh at the man running away. I laughed off my husband calling me names when I put on weight,I'm not going to be upset by a stranger doing it. | |||
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"I'm surprised they were allowed to register a Ltd company with that name. Would they have had to prove that they were in the diet/fitness industry?" I was just thinking similar. If it's a new diet product I don't think they're going the right way about it. Unless it's some kind of counter advertising stunt and they are going to charge in as the good guys to save the day. | |||
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"Call me a cynic but since no one can find any trace of this organisation online or elsewhere and it wasn't commuters it was one sigla woman who is using it to garnish fame, I'm going with it never happened and she made it up herself. " Think I'm with you on this. | |||
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"I'm surprised they were allowed to register a Ltd company with that name. Would they have had to prove that they were in the diet/fitness industry? I was just thinking similar. If it's a new diet product I don't think they're going the right way about it. Unless it's some kind of counter advertising stunt and they are going to charge in as the good guys to save the day." Could be this ^^ Whatever it is, people are talking about it so its job done to a certain degree. Chinese whispers goes viral, coming to a forum near you. | |||
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"Just been reported on BBC News There was not just one victim. Several people were handed out these cards BTP are investigating. I guess, he could be excluded from the tube network until a investigation is concluded " Do you have the link with multiple victims? Can't find it. | |||
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"Just been reported on BBC News There was not just one victim. Several people were handed out these cards BTP are investigating. I guess, he could be excluded from the tube network until a investigation is concluded Do you have the link with multiple victims? Can't find it. " Sorry, no; I watched it the old-fashioned way; on television It was BBC Breakfast News; I guess it would be on iPlayer | |||
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"Just been reported on BBC News There was not just one victim. Several people were handed out these cards BTP are investigating. I guess, he could be excluded from the tube network until a investigation is concluded Do you have the link with multiple victims? Can't find it. Sorry, no; I watched it the old-fashioned way; on television It was BBC Breakfast News; I guess it would be on iPlayer" BBC Web news is saying "people" in its headlines bur in the article it's still just this singular woman who's been given one no one else. So far it's one woman and then people copying the item and pluralising it | |||
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"Just been reported on BBC News There was not just one victim. Several people were handed out these cards BTP are investigating. I guess, he could be excluded from the tube network until a investigation is concluded Do you have the link with multiple victims? Can't find it. Sorry, no; I watched it the old-fashioned way; on television It was BBC Breakfast News; I guess it would be on iPlayer BBC Web news is saying "people" in its headlines bur in the article it's still just this singular woman who's been given one no one else. So far it's one woman and then people copying the item and pluralising it" The Telegraph: "'Overweight Haters Ltd': Fat-shaming group trends on Twitter over abusive messages allegedly handed to women on Tube A group calling itself ‘Overweight Haters Ltd’ has been trending on Twitter following claims that it has been handing out cards to women on public transport bearing an abusive message criticising them for being overweight Author and journalist Sean Thomas Knox tweeted on Monday claiming he’d witnessed a young man on a Tube train hand another passenger (described by Knox as an “overweight girl”) a card saying “You’re Fat” According to Knox the woman then read the card, and started crying As Knox’s story started to go viral, he linked to another tweet from a woman called Kara Florish, a musician and NHS worker, who had apparently been handed an identical card last week. The card, bearing the legend ‘Overweight Haters Ltd,’ carries the following text: ....." Google for link | |||
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"shocking story online of members of the public being handed cards from random strangers on London Underground stating they are members of Overweight Haters Ltd and that fat people like those who have been handed a card are disgusting wastes of space etc The more I read these forums. The more I feel the UK is turning into America...... " It already is, Europeans from my experience say the British are the "Americans of Europe". Look at all the mannerisms, culture and philosophy etc we have adopted from them. Quite why Britain would ever need to adopt traits from a young nation like that is beyond me........then again our general population isn't the most savvy, we'll pretty much do whatever we're told | |||
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"It's a free country and we have free speech, that's not true, it's not a free country and we don't have free speech, you can get lock up for your actions and words. ... " For actions, yes; for words, no One can call all sorts of names to overweight people, not-so-good-looking people, gay people, religious people and they would not have broken any laws, whatsoever Hate speech starts not by saying that one hates a particular group or characteristic but by inciting violence against any such group. Until then, no laws are broken Look at the forums here. Just about every group is verbally abused, ridiculed, taunted and made fun of left, right and centre; and sometimes by a group who themselves get abused and ridiculed. One would think that they atleast would rein-in a bit; but oh no, they give it to someone else and then are hurt when it happens to them Sorry, but free speech is a double-edged sword. It assumes that people will be reasonable in what they say; it cannot enforce it. And people ... | |||
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"it's a free country. Not nice, not needed but hey, Would it not be considered a hate crime? I honestly don't know. It won't shame people to stop eating or shed weight, rather just feel shit. If it did though the end doesnt justifie the means. Their bodies their life. I honestly dont get why strangers care?? I certainly don't approve of the card thing, but obesity is a major problem in the UK and now costs the NHS more than treatment for smoking related illnesses." It is! It worries me massively that a huge proportion of the NHS budget is being used to treat obesity, smokers, alcoholics, drug users etc - to the extent that funding often isn't there for non self inflicted illnesses. However - if people feel strongly about this they can campaign for changes in the NHS - targeting individuals with hateful literature is just horrid and beyond comprehension! | |||
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"Just been reported on BBC News There was not just one victim. Several people were handed out these cards BTP are investigating. I guess, he could be excluded from the tube network until a investigation is concluded Do you have the link with multiple victims? Can't find it. " The victims got together, created a black hole and were never heard of again. | |||
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"Given that addiction is an illness which requires treatment, I am happy for a proportion of my tax to go to helping them. I've known a handful of "drug addicts" who - with lots of help - turned their lives around and who now work, paying texes back into the system. This would never have happened if had they not received treatment. as a fat person myself, I will go on record as saying that I have always worked, paid my taxes and never claimed any benefits. I have never been admitted to hospital nor spent any time in one as a patient since the day after I was born. I can count on one hand the times that I have visited my GP and have never been on anything more expensive than amoxycillin for an infection. So.....Please tell me how I am a drain on your wallet? Be as specific as you can. " I think they are taking about obesity as a whole not you as an individual person | |||
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"If I was given a card I would be heartbroken. Yes I know I shouldn't care what complete strangers think and yes I know they are idiots I should just ignore. But that doesn't help. It's just bullying from the playground coming round again 40 years later. That girl or woman could be in a fragile place and I feel gutted for them that some numpty could hurt them. If you wouldn't let it bother you I'm jealous T x " She laughed it off, laughed at their spelling and said she is not obese | |||
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"She laughed it off, laughed at their spelling and said she is not obese " As I said...good on her. Sadly I would not be so strong. | |||
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"If I was given a card I would be heartbroken. Yes I know I shouldn't care what complete strangers think and yes I know they are idiots I should just ignore. But that doesn't help. It's just bullying from the playground coming round again 40 years later. That girl or woman could be in a fragile place and I feel gutted for them that some numpty could hurt them. If you wouldn't let it bother you I'm jealous T x She laughed it off, laughed at their spelling and said she is not obese " Good on her! But unfortunately I doubt many others would have done the same! I think we can all agree it's a horrible thing to do!! | |||
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"The stories I've found the cards are only being handed out to women. Think some of the members are on here They probably haven't got the balls to hand one to a man I think a man receiving such a card would act very differently to a woman " if I were handed one and I was with hubby he would deck em id have a reply card that said I can lose weight you will always be ugly | |||
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"I think it's the start or the weight watchers new xmas campaign,thinking outside the box and all that.." Not so soon; that might stop people from putting on the maximum weight Come 2nd Jan, when we can't get out of our settees, the TV ads have then got a captive audiance | |||
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