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Sorting out my daughter's school bag and there's a leaflet, MSWord job, photocopied and folded, entitled Extremism and Radicalism.
It goes on to define what those phenomena are ("...vocal or active opposition to fundamental British values, the rules of law, individual liberty...")
It uses words like 'safeguarding', 'ideology' and 'terrorists'.
It also asks "What is the school doing to PREVENT extremism and radicalism?"
And gives the phone nos. of the cops (duh) and the G'ment Anti-Terrorist Hotline.
And then to cap it off there's a quote by that well known freedom fighter/terrorist (at his trial he had plead guilty to 156 acts of public violence in which many innocent people, including women and children, were killed), Nelson Mandela.
The irony is quite something.
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My daughter is six.
Her school is tiny and it's like the Village of the Damned when you look through a classroom window - blonde hair & blues eyes. Hardly a hotbed of intrigue.
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Are schools, local or central g'ment sending you 'Duck n' Cover' style handouts about things YOU should be afraid of?
What do you think?
'Cos I'm frankly baffled. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Senior school sounds about right. Perhaps something more geared to reassuring and age appropriate would have been better in light of what's been happening recently.
Another knee jerk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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i think it should certainly be addressed, but that seems the completely wrong way to go about it to me..i would think that general discussion of acceptance of peoples differences etc, without pointing out any evils on any particualr side would be more appropriate for that age.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What are "British Values"?
I know plenty of British people who hold very different "values" to me, and plenty of non-British people who think similarly.
It's an entirely meaningless term.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No not a sausage up here though here in Wales we have our own little hot bed of fundamentalists . Plaid Cymru, they are in the schools filling children's heads with ideas that every thing wrong with Wales is England's fault !!
Its actually quite alarming how nationalist they are. I am a jolly happy Welshman. I love our neighbours across the border. A little bit of friendly banter over the footy and rugby is one thing but this is getting scary.
So my English , Irish and Scots chums come to Wales we are all part of the UK and rely on each other  |
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Yes they are sending these type of things round and during my last contract I was "required" to attend some training on how to spot a radicalised person or extremist, I refused their kind offer.
This type of information is being distributed in many places of education. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've yet to encounter such paranoia at my children's primary school. Our leaflets are are still only concerned with the nativity service and bake sales.
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"Yes they are sending these type of things round and during my last contract I was "required" to attend some training on how to spot a radicalised person or extremist, I refused their kind offer.
This type of information is being distributed in many places of education."
I had no knowledge of this |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's because schools have been given a responsibility to look out for signs of radicalisation and similar. All of them. Even where the actual risk is slim to non-existent. It's probably being factored into Ofsted so they'll all be wanting to be seen to be doing something. |
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"Hey Joe, did it have cartoons in it?
Clip art, it was very shitty"
Clip art explosion?
Clip art body bits?
Schools have guidance from the department of education to look out for extremism and radicalisation and report it. |
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"Yes they are sending these type of things round and during my last contract I was "required" to attend some training on how to spot a radicalised person or extremist, I refused their kind offer.
This type of information is being distributed in many places of education."
This kind of training is now a requiement in the NHS. It's ok though, we have plenty of time for it and value the opportunity to gain insight into the mind of a suicide bomber  |
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"Yes they are sending these type of things round and during my last contract I was "required" to attend some training on how to spot a radicalised person or extremist, I refused their kind offer.
This type of information is being distributed in many places of education.
I had no knowledge of this"
It's a requirement. I think, like many other things that "they" expect us to accept it because it's "for our own good" and to "keep us safe".
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It's a government requirement that all schools engage in the "PREVENT" programme to spot and address signs of extremism and radicalisation.
They're just following government directives. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Can you summarise the question?
Do you think this is appropriate stuff to send to the parents of infant school age kids.
In a nutshell.
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Primary schools are being advised about radicalisation as it starts at a young age so it seems |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"What are "British Values"?
I know plenty of British people who hold very different "values" to me, and plenty of non-British people who think similarly.
It's an entirely meaningless term.
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Aren't British values beating people up and staling their country with a spot of light genocide thrown in for good measure?
Inventing the concentration camp, maybe? |
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"So why mention nelson mandela ??
To highlight the freedom fighter/terrorist conflation. "
It's ironic that Nelson Mandela (arguably one of the greatest politicians of the C.20th) was prepared to used violence to achieve his political aims. |
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"So why mention nelson mandela ??
To highlight the freedom fighter/terrorist conflation.
It's ironic that Nelson Mandela (arguably one of the greatest politicians of the C.20th) was prepared to used violence to achieve his political aims."
can you quote the mandela quote for us joe .... would be interesting to know what the context is in relation to this pamphlet
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"So why mention nelson mandela ??
To highlight the freedom fighter/terrorist conflation.
It's ironic that Nelson Mandela (arguably one of the greatest politicians of the C.20th) was prepared to used violence to achieve his political aims."
Ironic on a shit leaflet, penned by a fuckwit. Otherwise not so much |
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"So why mention nelson mandela ??
To highlight the freedom fighter/terrorist conflation.
It's ironic that Nelson Mandela (arguably one of the greatest politicians of the C.20th) was prepared to used violence to achieve his political aims.
Ironic on a shit leaflet, penned by a fuckwit. Otherwise not so much"
Exactly.
"Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do." |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Where's all the people on the other threads who moaned like fuck about bombing and said we should tackle extremist islam?
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Producing shit leaflets for schoolchildren on word in comic sans, showcasing their clipart placement skills. |
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are they including lawful protesters who the government (as of recently) now call "domestic extremists" in the belief that they pose a threat to public disorder rather than than national security? you know, people who demonstrate on single issues such as anti-war protesters, climate campaigners, students who rally against tuition fees etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't agree with any propoganda that may cause a child, any child, to grow up afraid
Or racist
Or bigotted
Or ill informed
It's a high price to pay to get a message across to an already nervous world |
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It's very difficult to discuss terrorism with young children. After the Paris attack my 8 yr old grandson starting talking about terrorism as we traveled home on the bus one evening. I don't like to brainwash children into thinking my way about everything; he spoke,I listened and gave unbiased replies. If he brought home something from school like a leaflet I would look through it with him. His best friend as school is a Muslim,I don't want him growing up hating everyone not white British,like a lot of children I know have. Schools are doing what they are told to do,they have to toe the line. We can decide if we agree with them. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"It's very difficult to discuss terrorism with young children. After the Paris attack my 8 yr old grandson starting talking about terrorism as we traveled home on the bus one evening. I don't like to brainwash children into thinking my way about everything; he spoke,I listened and gave unbiased replies. If he brought home something from school like a leaflet I would look through it with him. His best friend as school is a Muslim,I don't want him growing up hating everyone not white British,like a lot of children I know have. Schools are doing what they are told to do,they have to toe the line. We can decide if we agree with them."
Schools have had to teach "British Values" since before the Paris attacks.
I am still at a slight loss as to what "British Values" are?
"Can drink 10 pints without being sick and is able to then consume a Vindaloo"? |
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If you don't know what British Values are, look up Schools Curriculums. They will be in gov.uk information.
Anyone wanting to know about school involvement in radicalism etc ....
Look up PREVENT.
It's nothing new. |
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"It's very difficult to discuss terrorism with young children. After the Paris attack my 8 yr old grandson starting talking about terrorism as we traveled home on the bus one evening. I don't like to brainwash children into thinking my way about everything; he spoke,I listened and gave unbiased replies. If he brought home something from school like a leaflet I would look through it with him. His best friend as school is a Muslim,I don't want him growing up hating everyone not white British,like a lot of children I know have. Schools are doing what they are told to do,they have to toe the line. We can decide if we agree with them."
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"If you don't know what British Values are, look up Schools Curriculums. They will be in gov.uk information.
Anyone wanting to know about school involvement in radicalism etc ....
Look up PREVENT.
It's nothing new. "
I know what the curriculum says they are, but I think they have left out plenty central to our history. If you read the you would believe that Britain as a nation mostly had sensible, firm yet fair values.
Which is frankly, horseshit. |
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"And then to cap it off there's a quote by that well known freedom fighter/terrorist (at his trial he had plead guilty to 156 acts of public violence in which many innocent people, including women and children, were killed), Nelson Mandela. "
and...
"Nelson mandela ...did it mention in the leaflet blowing up a school bus of children ???"
With all due respect to you both, may I point out that Nelson Mandela and the ANC, like the republicans in Ireland were never terrorists. They were (and are) insurgents fighting an asymmetrical war using guerilla tactics.
The truth of the matter is labelling organisations as terrorists is an easy way for establishments to demonize any that are forced to use armed resistance to counter state oppression. |
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"If you don't know what British Values are, look up Schools Curriculums. They will be in gov.uk information.
Anyone wanting to know about school involvement in radicalism etc ....
Look up PREVENT.
It's nothing new.
I know what the curriculum says they are, but I think they have left out plenty central to our history. If you read the you would believe that Britain as a nation mostly had sensible, firm yet fair values.
Which is frankly, horseshit. "
You didn't mention British History. |
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"And then to cap it off there's a quote by that well known freedom fighter/terrorist (at his trial he had plead guilty to 156 acts of public violence in which many innocent people, including women and children, were killed), Nelson Mandela.
and...
Nelson mandela ...did it mention in the leaflet blowing up a school bus of children ???
With all due respect to you both, may I point out that Nelson Mandela and the ANC, like the republicans in Ireland were never terrorists. They were (and are) insurgents fighting an asymmetrical war using guerilla tactics.
The truth of the matter is labelling organisations as terrorists is an easy way for establishments to demonize any that are forced to use armed resistance to counter state oppression."
and with due respect thats bollocks..
tell Tim Parry's parents that he was collateral damage in a war..
and the other equally innocent victims of the terrorist's both here and in NI..
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"Local nursery sent out a letter saying they were 'on the lookout for signs of radicalisation' among the under 5's........  "
All under 5's are tyrannical by nature. |
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"Local nursery sent out a letter saying they were 'on the lookout for signs of radicalisation' among the under 5's........
All under 5's are tyrannical by nature."
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Not only have we, teachers, got the pressure to get the children to the over inflated standards set by the government ...
But now we have to PREVENT extremism and radicalisation as apparently it all starts in the playground - it's our duty to ensure we look for the signs in children and tackle it! We even have to report parents who say anything untoward!!! |
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Seems over the top nonsense to me.
Like someone had some spare time and thought "I shall do good things with a new leaflet", as clipart users are wont to do.
As for duck & cover, we had regular drills at school and the Russians never turned up.
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"Not only have we, teachers, got the pressure to get the children to the over inflated standards set by the government ...
But now we have to PREVENT extremism and radicalisation as apparently it all starts in the playground - it's our duty to ensure we look for the signs in children and tackle it! We even have to report parents who say anything untoward!!! "
Starts in the playground ??
It'll all even out then.
The radical Christians will say they must spread the word of Jesus even it costs them their life.
The radical Muslim will tell the Christian to accept Islam or die. .....
Everyone's a winner .......... |
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"Can you summarise the question?
Do you think this is appropriate stuff to send to the parents of infant school age kids.
In a nutshell.
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Yes. Infant age children often have completely unrestricted access to the internet. It doesn't matter that your local village is a "nice" area, because they are more than capable of getting access to areas of the internet that you probably didn't even know existed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Children are subjected to radicalisation by their parents,by school friends,by strangers who pick them up when they are vulnerable. We learn by people telling us and some people believe everything they are told. On more than one occasion, at the school where I worked, I heard hate talk about Jews from young Muslim boys. One chirped up,out of the blue,in a maths class that he hates Jews. I guessed that it was his parents who made him feel that way. Another 7 yr old Muslim boy ask my daughter if she was a Christian. When she said yes he said,in an apologetic voice that's a shame cos I'll have to cut off your arms and legs. People teach children to hate,because they hate. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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there was an interesting programme about female recruiters on the other day, they filmed a meeting where there were kids younger than that sitting around, just playing,listening to what was said....but i still don't think a leaflet like that is the right way to go at all... |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"This sort of reminds me of a sketch by Alexei Sayle, where he revealed that his middle names were "Moscow Dynamo, Glorious Five-Year Plan"..."
I remember that.
I love that I live somewhere with every race and creed more o less rubbing along nicely. The lighting of the local Christmas tree event last night was led by a Muslim and his speech was about the meaning of Christmas, unity and peace.
The children haven't had a leaflet sent home with them but they have had discussions in class about respecting each other, bullying and how some people use guns and bombs to bully us. It has appeared to be proportionate and appropriate to their age.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"What concerns me is making it acceptable even praiseworthy to keep an eye on our neighbours, colleagues, school friends or pupils. A thin line between caution and domestic surveillance."
Careful! Someone will be along with the trope that "if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about".  |
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"What concerns me is making it acceptable even praiseworthy to keep an eye on our neighbours, colleagues, school friends or pupils. A thin line between caution and domestic surveillance.
Careful! Someone will be along with the trope that "if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about". "
I'm sure they will but I'm pretty sure the Stasi said that too |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"What concerns me is making it acceptable even praiseworthy to keep an eye on our neighbours, colleagues, school friends or pupils. A thin line between caution and domestic surveillance.
Careful! Someone will be along with the trope that "if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about".
I'm sure they will but I'm pretty sure the Stasi said that too "
Niemöller:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. |
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"What concerns me is making it acceptable even praiseworthy to keep an eye on our neighbours, colleagues, school friends or pupils. A thin line between caution and domestic surveillance.
Careful! Someone will be along with the trope that "if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about".
I'm sure they will but I'm pretty sure the Stasi said that too
Niemöller:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago
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"What concerns me is making it acceptable even praiseworthy to keep an eye on our neighbours, colleagues, school friends or pupils. A thin line between caution and domestic surveillance.
Careful! Someone will be along with the trope that "if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about".
I'm sure they will but I'm pretty sure the Stasi said that too "
Actually, it was Goebbels. Well, it's been attributed to him anyway (although I'm pretty sure he would have said it in German). |
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"What concerns me is making it acceptable even praiseworthy to keep an eye on our neighbours, colleagues, school friends or pupils. A thin line between caution and domestic surveillance.
Careful! Someone will be along with the trope that "if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about".
I'm sure they will but I'm pretty sure the Stasi said that too
Actually, it was Goebbels. Well, it's been attributed to him anyway (although I'm pretty sure he would have said it in German)."
I meant the Stasi would have said it when they were spying on the east Germans and encouraging neighbour to spy on neighbour |
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"What concerns me is making it acceptable even praiseworthy to keep an eye on our neighbours, colleagues, school friends or pupils. A thin line between caution and domestic surveillance.
Careful! Someone will be along with the trope that "if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about".
I'm sure they will but I'm pretty sure the Stasi said that too
Actually, it was Goebbels. Well, it's been attributed to him anyway (although I'm pretty sure he would have said it in German).
I meant the Stasi would have said it when they were spying on the east Germans and encouraging neighbour to spy on neighbour "
brother on brother..
mother on son or daughter..
etc
keep people in fear and they will pay less attention to what is going on under their noses.. |
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"What concerns me is making it acceptable even praiseworthy to keep an eye on our neighbours, colleagues, school friends or pupils. A thin line between caution and domestic surveillance.
Careful! Someone will be along with the trope that "if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about".
I'm sure they will but I'm pretty sure the Stasi said that too
Actually, it was Goebbels. Well, it's been attributed to him anyway (although I'm pretty sure he would have said it in German).
I meant the Stasi would have said it when they were spying on the east Germans and encouraging neighbour to spy on neighbour
brother on brother..
mother on son or daughter..
etc
keep people in fear and they will pay less attention to what is going on under their noses.."
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"Can you summarise the question?
Do you think this is appropriate stuff to send to the parents of infant school age kids.
In a nutshell.
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Primary schools are being advised about radicalisation as it starts at a young age so it seems"
At age six though?
If that's the case I really do despair. What happened to just being a kid? |
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"Can you summarise the question?
Do you think this is appropriate stuff to send to the parents of infant school age kids.
In a nutshell.
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Primary schools are being advised about radicalisation as it starts at a young age so it seems
At age six though?
If that's the case I really do despair. What happened to just being a kid? "
Just being a kid is when you pick up unconsciously, views, opinions and attitudes without question from those around you and it works both ways. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Can you summarise the question?
Do you think this is appropriate stuff to send to the parents of infant school age kids.
In a nutshell.
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Primary schools are being advised about radicalisation as it starts at a young age so it seems
At age six though?
If that's the case I really do despair. What happened to just being a kid? "
When I was 6 years old I remember doing drills at school for what to do when the nuclear warning sirens sound. Like climbing under my desk was going to stop me being vapourised.
There's always something shitty up with the world. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We can't be totally indifferent about it but making us paranoid isn't the way to go.
This was on The Listening Project today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06ptzs0"
I can't view on my phone. I'll have a look when I can on my pc. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Can you summarise the question?
Do you think this is appropriate stuff to send to the parents of infant school age kids.
In a nutshell.
?
Primary schools are being advised about radicalisation as it starts at a young age so it seems
At age six though?
If that's the case I really do despair. What happened to just being a kid? "
I don't know if they are sending letters out like the OP in all schools but they are making schools aware of what to look out for with children being radicalised. I am assuming they must have had a reason to think children of this age are being targeted.
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By *ugby 123Couple
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"Can you summarise the question?
Do you think this is appropriate stuff to send to the parents of infant school age kids.
In a nutshell.
?
Primary schools are being advised about radicalisation as it starts at a young age so it seems
At age six though?
If that's the case I really do despair. What happened to just being a kid?
Just being a kid is when you pick up unconsciously, views, opinions and attitudes without question from those around you and it works both ways."
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