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"Yep...Google is my best friend when it comes to kids homework 
Its becoming mine too, the mind boggles "
I've had to have year 4 (ages 8/9) maths explained to me twice since September!!! My eldest has started his GCSE's & I can only help with history, food tech & business studies!! |
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"Yep...Google is my best friend when it comes to kids homework
Its becoming mine too, the mind boggles
I've had to have year 4 (ages 8/9) maths explained to me twice since September!!! My eldest has started his GCSE's & I can only help with history, food tech & business studies!! "
I can do the maths no problem, I struggle with years 3 and 6 English, and I have an a level in English  |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read? "
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's. |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read? "
I know, I think they must do lol |
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My yr 10 grandson messaged me asking if I could help him with surds. I knew I knew what it was,somewhere in the back of my brain there were some surds lurking,but I couldn't for the life of me remember how you worked them out. |
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"My yr 10 grandson messaged me asking if I could help him with surds. I knew I knew what it was,somewhere in the back of my brain there were some surds lurking,but I couldn't for the life of me remember how you worked them out. "
Going to be really dumb, but what are surds? |
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"My yr 10 grandson messaged me asking if I could help him with surds. I knew I knew what it was,somewhere in the back of my brain there were some surds lurking,but I couldn't for the life of me remember how you worked them out.
Going to be really dumb, but what are surds?"
A square root that does not resolve to a whole number |
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"My yr 10 grandson messaged me asking if I could help him with surds. I knew I knew what it was,somewhere in the back of my brain there were some surds lurking,but I couldn't for the life of me remember how you worked them out.
Going to be really dumb, but what are surds?
A square root that does not resolve to a whole number"
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"They're are few benefits to being blind, luckily for me this is 1 of them. ????"
I can imagine it is, I have to say, I'd love not to be responsible for supervising homework time, even just once. |
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"My yr 10 grandson messaged me asking if I could help him with surds. I knew I knew what it was,somewhere in the back of my brain there were some surds lurking,but I couldn't for the life of me remember how you worked them out.
Going to be really dumb, but what are surds?
A square root that does not resolve to a whole number
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Ah OK thanks for the explanation  |
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"Does anyone else look at the kids homework and just go what the heck is it all about?? "
My 14yr old schooled me in algebra the other day so I could help his older sister! |
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Everytime I have to help my son I have to have 30 minutes first to study on google or gsce bitesize to have a clue! He's much more clever than I ever was or ever will be  |
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"Everytime I have to help my son I have to have 30 minutes first to study on google or gsce bitesize to have a clue! He's much more clever than I ever was or ever will be "
Ah I doubt that, I think any adult struggles with modern day kids homework regardless of their own cleverness. But i know what you mean, I have to google loads of it else I don't know where to start |
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"Does anyone else look at the kids homework and just go what the heck is it all about??
My 14yr old schooled me in algebra the other day so I could help his older sister!"
Clever young man you have there then  |
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"Yes! Daughter's school have an odd version of division called 'chunking'. I think I understand rocket science better. "
Hmm thats a new one on me too! |
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Google has been my friend on many occasions but even it gave up on a Year 11. Science question!
I find I am always saying to my youngest ~ it's a reflection of what you have learned in school ~ even so, it's still a challenge that I grin & bear on a daily basis... |
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"Yes! Daughter's school have an odd version of division called 'chunking'. I think I understand rocket science better.
Hmm thats a new one on me too!"
Chunking is taught as a method of division in all schools. Part of the curriculum. There are some good BBC Bitesize clips and the Primary Resources website is helpful too. |
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The main issue I used to find was that for no particular reason, they've introduced new terminology and methodologies for doing things I did over 30 years ago. Once I understood what they're asking for, it was usually no problem. |
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"Yes! Daughter's school have an odd version of division called 'chunking'. I think I understand rocket science better.
Hmm thats a new one on me too!
Chunking is taught as a method of division in all schools. Part of the curriculum. There are some good BBC Bitesize clips and the Primary Resources website is helpful too."
 I shall take a look |
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"The main issue I used to find was that for no particular reason, they've introduced new terminology and methodologies for doing things I did over 30 years ago. Once I understood what they're asking for, it was usually no problem."
They have, I'm an accountant and once went to a math class for my eldest. They have changed the way they taught maths, my daughter got the right answers to the questions and I didn't. I was so confused lol |
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My son who's in primary school comes home with his spellings and I look and think there's plenty people my age that can't spell those! It shocks me some of the words they're asked to remember.
Maths isn't much of a problem, it's just how they keep changing the way to solve the problems. I only know the way I was taught, so my son has to tell me how he's been taught as its completely different |
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"My yr 10 grandson messaged me asking if I could help him with surds. I knew I knew what it was,somewhere in the back of my brain there were some surds lurking,but I couldn't for the life of me remember how you worked them out.
Going to be really dumb, but what are surds?
A square root that does not resolve to a whole number
Ah OK thanks for the explanation "
Jeez how do most adults go through life not without knowing their surds!? Don't tell me your trigonometry is rusty too?
I think the reason it's 'difficult' is because most of what they learn is pretty useless outside a handful of jobs they aren't likely to do anyway. I found that when I did my degree and entered the workplace, most of my course assumptions were 20-30 years behind the pace of real life. |
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"My yr 10 grandson messaged me asking if I could help him with surds. I knew I knew what it was,somewhere in the back of my brain there were some surds lurking,but I couldn't for the life of me remember how you worked them out.
Going to be really dumb, but what are surds?
A square root that does not resolve to a whole number
Ah OK thanks for the explanation
Jeez how do most adults go through life not without knowing their surds!? Don't tell me your trigonometry is rusty too?
I think the reason it's 'difficult' is because most of what they learn is pretty useless outside a handful of jobs they aren't likely to do anyway. I found that when I did my degree and entered the workplace, most of my course assumptions were 20-30 years behind the pace of real life. "
I agree with you on that, my 6 years at uni and 2 degrees certainly hasn't helped me in deciphering kids homework lol |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's. "
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"My yr 10 grandson messaged me asking if I could help him with surds. I knew I knew what it was,somewhere in the back of my brain there were some surds lurking,but I couldn't for the life of me remember how you worked them out.
Going to be really dumb, but what are surds?
A square root that does not resolve to a whole number
Ah OK thanks for the explanation
Jeez how do most adults go through life not without knowing their surds!? Don't tell me your trigonometry is rusty too?
I think the reason it's 'difficult' is because most of what they learn is pretty useless outside a handful of jobs they aren't likely to do anyway. I found that when I did my degree and entered the workplace, most of my course assumptions were 20-30 years behind the pace of real life.
I agree with you on that, my 6 years at uni and 2 degrees certainly hasn't helped me in deciphering kids homework lol "
There are lots of TV programmes (unteachables, educating Essex to name a couple) that show kids in modern schools and the same question always comes up "Miss, why do we need to know this?"
Whilst the teacher tries their best to plausibly answer, it's inevitably a non answer. Once I had a teacher who was kind enough to explain "you're right this class has very little to do with education, but our economy wouldn't function without some sort of national babysitting service so you're stuck here". I respected his honesty. |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's. "
This is true to an extent. But I do agree with MrFixxit. How can we know how best to help them with the homework if we are not in the lessons & no explanation is sent home. A lot of the homework just doesn't make sense unless you were to be in the classroom at the time which obviously can't be the case. & when you ask the kids what it's about they can't remember! |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's. "
Yes & my point was we don't know what the lesson entailed. Which leaves us needing to guess. Or mind read. |
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I got that from the next doors neighbours kids algebra is not my strong point but good at maths so google became my friend so I could quick learn it to help them
the kids maths is so pathetic nowadays same goes for the english was in a customers house and you had to find the meaning of certain words the mother had no idea but had to look it up in dictionary to find out if I explained it correctly of which I had done |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
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Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine. |
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It's not home work as such any more. It's called home learning in my grandson's primary school. It's not all stuff they have covered in class either. My daughter works in a primary school and her teacher doesn't always mark the work,sometimes she gives it to my daughter to mark. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine. "
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything. "
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world. |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's.
This is true to an extent. But I do agree with MrFixxit. How can we know how best to help them with the homework if we are not in the lessons & no explanation is sent home. A lot of the homework just doesn't make sense unless you were to be in the classroom at the time which obviously can't be the case. & when you ask the kids what it's about they can't remember!"
How do you propose teachers get around that though? Prepare extra material specially for the parents? If the children can't remember what they did in the lessons or came away without understanding what went on, that's probably what they should be focusing on anyway. |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read? "
Maybe they think the child who sat through the lessons and explanation and made notes should be doing it |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world. "
School can't prepare everyone for specific jobs. They have to give an all round education and people find what they enjoy or are good at. If a student takes GCSE IT he/she will learn how to use Excel,Word and some kind of publisher. They learn about websites,Word and publishing from yr 7. I'm not sure what they do in primary but they have IT lessons. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world. "
Learning how to do maths and algebra is just good for your brain though. I'm much better at excel because I get the principle of building up an argument/function, rather than just learning rhe formulae by sum or rote. It's the same as things like Latin or playing a musical instrument, obviously you can get by without it but it's good for logic and reasoning. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world. "
But the idea is teaching people the methods and the tools so they know what they can do then they can use a calculator (the exams calculators are allowed). But if they don't know what they're putting into that calculator or what they're trying to achieve then they're screwed.
Teaching them it mentally gives them an understanding so that they can then later use calculators to speed it up.
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world. "
I do a lot of manual maths in meetings etc, usually because I'm useless and forget the calculator and it seems rude to use my phone.
I think school, primary school is for learning about the basics and about the world, secondary school should be about learning and preparation for the real world, which is why there is a lot more non-academic based courses now taught than there used to be. |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read? "
Maybe the schools think the kids that have been learning the subject should be doing their own homework. How do teachers know children have "got it" if their parents do the bloody homework? ??? |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Maybe they think the child who sat through the lessons and explanation and made notes should be doing it"
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
But the idea is teaching people the methods and the tools so they know what they can do then they can use a calculator (the exams calculators are allowed). But if they don't know what they're putting into that calculator or what they're trying to achieve then they're screwed.
Teaching them it mentally gives them an understanding so that they can then later use calculators to speed it up.
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Well that logic is like saying you can't write software unless you know binary code. |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Maybe they think the child who sat through the lessons and explanation and made notes should be doing it"
Parents are expected to help primary school children,they don't make notes. If a secondary school student doesn't understand something in his/her homework no amount of notes will help. They attempt the homework,with the help of the parents, and if they still don't understand it they ask for help at school. Schools have homework clubs at lunchtimes or after school. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
But the idea is teaching people the methods and the tools so they know what they can do then they can use a calculator (the exams calculators are allowed). But if they don't know what they're putting into that calculator or what they're trying to achieve then they're screwed.
Teaching them it mentally gives them an understanding so that they can then later use calculators to speed it up.
Well that logic is like saying you can't write software unless you know binary code."
First thing I was taught in college was binary before writing any code. Do they not do that now? |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's.
This is true to an extent. But I do agree with MrFixxit. How can we know how best to help them with the homework if we are not in the lessons & no explanation is sent home. A lot of the homework just doesn't make sense unless you were to be in the classroom at the time which obviously can't be the case. & when you ask the kids what it's about they can't remember!"
It's not YOUR homework! !!!
The whole point is to see what the child has remembered, not what the parent can do. As long as they have a go the teacher can see what help they need if they get things wrong. If parents do it all right for them and they have no idea, the child will get more challenging work!!
Not helping the child is it?? |
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First thing I was taught in college was binary before writing any code. Do they not do that now? "
There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary maths and those that don't |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
I do a lot of manual maths in meetings etc, usually because I'm useless and forget the calculator and it seems rude to use my phone.
I think school, primary school is for learning about the basics and about the world, secondary school should be about learning and preparation for the real world, which is why there is a lot more non-academic based courses now taught than there used to be."
OK well I can't do manual maths for love nor toffee. I can't really use a calculator either. I don't know the square root of anything and actually I'd struggle to give a definition of a square root without going to Google. I can construct financial projection models that deal with 100,000's of inputs to crunch billions of pounds in a probabilistic simulation and I know how to distribute it in a way that is reflective of real world results. My results piss all over anything you'd get coming out a university.
I guess we both have a personal bias in which one we think is more useful.
It's not something I feel strongly about because I know the system won't change, more a source of personal ammusement. I just find 9/10 graduates coming out of university to have border line useless knowledge from their course. Fortunately they tend to have good attitudes and they learn fast, but I have to work on the assumption they need complete start to finish training even if their degree is supposedly relevant to our company. |
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"Does anyone else look at the kids homework and just go what the heck is it all about?? "
No it's normally self explanatory. My kids largely do their homework themselves and I'll check it. Let's face it primary school maths isn't exactly rocket science! And spelling and grammar hasn't changed since I was at school. The only time I'm involved in homework is when my yr 3 gets research homework. She still needs help filtering stuff from the internet. |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's.
This is true to an extent. But I do agree with MrFixxit. How can we know how best to help them with the homework if we are not in the lessons & no explanation is sent home. A lot of the homework just doesn't make sense unless you were to be in the classroom at the time which obviously can't be the case. & when you ask the kids what it's about they can't remember!
How do you propose teachers get around that though? Prepare extra material specially for the parents? If the children can't remember what they did in the lessons or came away without understanding what went on, that's probably what they should be focusing on anyway. "
Sit down with your child at homework time, look at the sheet with them, ask them to show you what the teacher explained in the lesson. Talk through it for a couple of minutes, clarify anything they're unsure of. Then walk away, tell them they have 20 minutes to work it through independently. After that point sign where they got to on the page so the teacher knows. Depending on how you feel then either finish it with them or leave it as is. The teacher would rather have a working knowledge of the child's capabilities and understanding than their parents. |
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First thing I was taught in college was binary before writing any code. Do they not do that now?
There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary maths and those that don't"
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
I do a lot of manual maths in meetings etc, usually because I'm useless and forget the calculator and it seems rude to use my phone.
I think school, primary school is for learning about the basics and about the world, secondary school should be about learning and preparation for the real world, which is why there is a lot more non-academic based courses now taught than there used to be.
OK well I can't do manual maths for love nor toffee. I can't really use a calculator either. I don't know the square root of anything and actually I'd struggle to give a definition of a square root without going to Google. I can construct financial projection models that deal with 100,000's of inputs to crunch billions of pounds in a probabilistic simulation and I know how to distribute it in a way that is reflective of real world results. My results piss all over anything you'd get coming out a university.
I guess we both have a personal bias in which one we think is more useful.
It's not something I feel strongly about because I know the system won't change, more a source of personal ammusement. I just find 9/10 graduates coming out of university to have border line useless knowledge from their course. Fortunately they tend to have good attitudes and they learn fast, but I have to work on the assumption they need complete start to finish training even if their degree is supposedly relevant to our company. "
Of course they do...that's not what degrees are for otherwise you'd have to select your company before you applied for your degree so you did the exact right one. University is about ability to learn and those attitudes you've described.
I work in finance and some of the best people are the graduates from completely unrelated subjects. You can teach anyone to do accountancy, what makes someone good or not is how they think and learn and problem solve. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
I do a lot of manual maths in meetings etc, usually because I'm useless and forget the calculator and it seems rude to use my phone.
I think school, primary school is for learning about the basics and about the world, secondary school should be about learning and preparation for the real world, which is why there is a lot more non-academic based courses now taught than there used to be.
OK well I can't do manual maths for love nor toffee. I can't really use a calculator either. I don't know the square root of anything and actually I'd struggle to give a definition of a square root without going to Google. I can construct financial projection models that deal with 100,000's of inputs to crunch billions of pounds in a probabilistic simulation and I know how to distribute it in a way that is reflective of real world results. My results piss all over anything you'd get coming out a university.
I guess we both have a personal bias in which one we think is more useful.
It's not something I feel strongly about because I know the system won't change, more a source of personal ammusement. I just find 9/10 graduates coming out of university to have border line useless knowledge from their course. Fortunately they tend to have good attitudes and they learn fast, but I have to work on the assumption they need complete start to finish training even if their degree is supposedly relevant to our company.
Of course they do...that's not what degrees are for otherwise you'd have to select your company before you applied for your degree so you did the exact right one. University is about ability to learn and those attitudes you've described.
I work in finance and some of the best people are the graduates from completely unrelated subjects. You can teach anyone to do accountancy, what makes someone good or not is how they think and learn and problem solve. "
Exactly. When i was applying for jobs most of them specified they wanted people educated to degree level. Doesn't matter what in it just shows you are capable of learning. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
I do a lot of manual maths in meetings etc, usually because I'm useless and forget the calculator and it seems rude to use my phone.
I think school, primary school is for learning about the basics and about the world, secondary school should be about learning and preparation for the real world, which is why there is a lot more non-academic based courses now taught than there used to be.
OK well I can't do manual maths for love nor toffee. I can't really use a calculator either. I don't know the square root of anything and actually I'd struggle to give a definition of a square root without going to Google. I can construct financial projection models that deal with 100,000's of inputs to crunch billions of pounds in a probabilistic simulation and I know how to distribute it in a way that is reflective of real world results. My results piss all over anything you'd get coming out a university.
I guess we both have a personal bias in which one we think is more useful.
It's not something I feel strongly about because I know the system won't change, more a source of personal ammusement. I just find 9/10 graduates coming out of university to have border line useless knowledge from their course. Fortunately they tend to have good attitudes and they learn fast, but I have to work on the assumption they need complete start to finish training even if their degree is supposedly relevant to our company.
Of course they do...that's not what degrees are for otherwise you'd have to select your company before you applied for your degree so you did the exact right one. University is about ability to learn and those attitudes you've described.
I work in finance and some of the best people are the graduates from completely unrelated subjects. You can teach anyone to do accountancy, what makes someone good or not is how they think and learn and problem solve. "
Then let me put it another way, we outsource a heck of a lot because there's no advantage to hiring a British graduate who expects ~£30k to start (south east) when there are other countries where we can get 5 graduates for the same price.
At the end of the day, if the company has to basically train them for scratch then Britain doesn't exactly have a worldwide monopoly on good attitudes but it's a lot more expensive. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
I do a lot of manual maths in meetings etc, usually because I'm useless and forget the calculator and it seems rude to use my phone.
I think school, primary school is for learning about the basics and about the world, secondary school should be about learning and preparation for the real world, which is why there is a lot more non-academic based courses now taught than there used to be.
OK well I can't do manual maths for love nor toffee. I can't really use a calculator either. I don't know the square root of anything and actually I'd struggle to give a definition of a square root without going to Google. I can construct financial projection models that deal with 100,000's of inputs to crunch billions of pounds in a probabilistic simulation and I know how to distribute it in a way that is reflective of real world results. My results piss all over anything you'd get coming out a university.
I guess we both have a personal bias in which one we think is more useful.
It's not something I feel strongly about because I know the system won't change, more a source of personal ammusement. I just find 9/10 graduates coming out of university to have border line useless knowledge from their course. Fortunately they tend to have good attitudes and they learn fast, but I have to work on the assumption they need complete start to finish training even if their degree is supposedly relevant to our company.
Of course they do...that's not what degrees are for otherwise you'd have to select your company before you applied for your degree so you did the exact right one. University is about ability to learn and those attitudes you've described.
I work in finance and some of the best people are the graduates from completely unrelated subjects. You can teach anyone to do accountancy, what makes someone good or not is how they think and learn and problem solve. "
This is certainly true, my first degree was in politocs (quite useless in most fields of work) but it helped me on the career path as I had a university education. I then went back part time and studied accountancy whilst working and having my kids. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
I do a lot of manual maths in meetings etc, usually because I'm useless and forget the calculator and it seems rude to use my phone.
I think school, primary school is for learning about the basics and about the world, secondary school should be about learning and preparation for the real world, which is why there is a lot more non-academic based courses now taught than there used to be.
OK well I can't do manual maths for love nor toffee. I can't really use a calculator either. I don't know the square root of anything and actually I'd struggle to give a definition of a square root without going to Google. I can construct financial projection models that deal with 100,000's of inputs to crunch billions of pounds in a probabilistic simulation and I know how to distribute it in a way that is reflective of real world results. My results piss all over anything you'd get coming out a university.
I guess we both have a personal bias in which one we think is more useful.
It's not something I feel strongly about because I know the system won't change, more a source of personal ammusement. I just find 9/10 graduates coming out of university to have border line useless knowledge from their course. Fortunately they tend to have good attitudes and they learn fast, but I have to work on the assumption they need complete start to finish training even if their degree is supposedly relevant to our company.
Of course they do...that's not what degrees are for otherwise you'd have to select your company before you applied for your degree so you did the exact right one. University is about ability to learn and those attitudes you've described.
I work in finance and some of the best people are the graduates from completely unrelated subjects. You can teach anyone to do accountancy, what makes someone good or not is how they think and learn and problem solve.
Then let me put it another way, we outsource a heck of a lot because there's no advantage to hiring a British graduate who expects ~£30k to start (south east) when there are other countries where we can get 5 graduates for the same price.
At the end of the day, if the company has to basically train them for scratch then Britain doesn't exactly have a worldwide monopoly on good attitudes but it's a lot more expensive. "
But that would always be the case unless you actually set up your own courses to teach exactly to your business model and company ethos. Even supposedly vocational degrees such as medicine and law require a hell of a lot more additional specialised training afterwards before that person is fully useful. |
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Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's.
This is true to an extent. But I do agree with MrFixxit. How can we know how best to help them with the homework if we are not in the lessons & no explanation is sent home. A lot of the homework just doesn't make sense unless you were to be in the classroom at the time which obviously can't be the case. & when you ask the kids what it's about they can't remember!
How do you propose teachers get around that though? Prepare extra material specially for the parents? If the children can't remember what they did in the lessons or came away without understanding what went on, that's probably what they should be focusing on anyway.
Sit down with your child at homework time, look at the sheet with them, ask them to show you what the teacher explained in the lesson. Talk through it for a couple of minutes, clarify anything they're unsure of. Then walk away, tell them they have 20 minutes to work it through independently. After that point sign where they got to on the page so the teacher knows. Depending on how you feel then either finish it with them or leave it as is. The teacher would rather have a working knowledge of the child's capabilities and understanding than their parents. "
Many teachers are aware that maths was taught in a very different way in our day. Its about the method as much as the knowledge. The primary maths curriculum is changing rapidly in that there is now an equal focus on recall, problem solving and recall. somewhere along the line there is a whole generation who missed out on recall, ie number facts and times tables, and this is being redressed, rather rapidly through a curriculum in which children are encouraged to explore maths and the concepts behind and underlying alongside rapid recall of facts and applying them in new situations. Many schools offer homework clubs and support for parents in terms of workshops so they can get their heads around new methods. For a good few parents, new methods of teaching in maths are a revelation, 'why didn't they teach it like that when I was at school?'. One of mine is in secondary now and two have left with great grades but I am talking about primary here. If all else fails, contact the teacher, they should be happy to explain how its done these days. I can't think of any teacher who would not be happy for the parents to be supportive and who wouldn't provide individual support for their child, tailored to where the child is and where they need to be .... this is what they do in class, every day, so why not extra. Especially in these days of performance related pay, what better way to get the child to a better standard of maths? Surely empowering the parents to support .... |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
I do a lot of manual maths in meetings etc, usually because I'm useless and forget the calculator and it seems rude to use my phone.
I think school, primary school is for learning about the basics and about the world, secondary school should be about learning and preparation for the real world, which is why there is a lot more non-academic based courses now taught than there used to be.
OK well I can't do manual maths for love nor toffee. I can't really use a calculator either. I don't know the square root of anything and actually I'd struggle to give a definition of a square root without going to Google. I can construct financial projection models that deal with 100,000's of inputs to crunch billions of pounds in a probabilistic simulation and I know how to distribute it in a way that is reflective of real world results. My results piss all over anything you'd get coming out a university.
I guess we both have a personal bias in which one we think is more useful.
It's not something I feel strongly about because I know the system won't change, more a source of personal ammusement. I just find 9/10 graduates coming out of university to have border line useless knowledge from their course. Fortunately they tend to have good attitudes and they learn fast, but I have to work on the assumption they need complete start to finish training even if their degree is supposedly relevant to our company.
Of course they do...that's not what degrees are for otherwise you'd have to select your company before you applied for your degree so you did the exact right one. University is about ability to learn and those attitudes you've described.
I work in finance and some of the best people are the graduates from completely unrelated subjects. You can teach anyone to do accountancy, what makes someone good or not is how they think and learn and problem solve.
Then let me put it another way, we outsource a heck of a lot because there's no advantage to hiring a British graduate who expects ~£30k to start (south east) when there are other countries where we can get 5 graduates for the same price.
At the end of the day, if the company has to basically train them for scratch then Britain doesn't exactly have a worldwide monopoly on good attitudes but it's a lot more expensive.
But that would always be the case unless you actually set up your own courses to teach exactly to your business model and company ethos. Even supposedly vocational degrees such as medicine and law require a hell of a lot more additional specialised training afterwards before that person is fully useful. "
Business model and ethos are a non-factor in my opinion, target industries are more relevant. If people want to defend the status quo then fine, that's your opinion and maybe it's right. Just based on what I see, Britain has a competiveness problem and the status quo isn't very pleasant for a lot of out recent graduates. Maybe that's just the economy still suffering from 2008, or maybe our education system is a bit complacent, maybe a bit of both... |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read? "
Maybe they think we should already know how to find the answers. As we went to school ourselves.
Ah.. but they change the techniques on aome subjects.
Or maybe you have now been caught out for NOT PAYING ATTENTION AT THE BACK. |
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Business model and ethos are a non-factor in my opinion, target industries are more relevant. If people want to defend the status quo then fine, that's your opinion and maybe it's right. Just based on what I see, Britain has a competiveness problem and the status quo isn't very pleasant for a lot of out recent graduates. Maybe that's just the economy still suffering from 2008, or maybe our education system is a bit complacent, maybe a bit of both... "
I'm not defending the status quo particularly, some universities and some degree subjects are churning out some morons. But if you teach specifically to a specific thing, I don't think you get people who are going to be any use in the long run, in a rapidly changing environment. I love Excel, but things may be completely different in 20 years and I'll be fucked if I only know how to use it and don't understand the basic principles of stats and logic, for example. Some of the countries who are beating Britain in the competitiveness stakes have teaching more heavily focused on algebra and basic principles. |
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Business model and ethos are a non-factor in my opinion, target industries are more relevant. If people want to defend the status quo then fine, that's your opinion and maybe it's right. Just based on what I see, Britain has a competiveness problem and the status quo isn't very pleasant for a lot of out recent graduates. Maybe that's just the economy still suffering from 2008, or maybe our education system is a bit complacent, maybe a bit of both...
I'm not defending the status quo particularly, some universities and some degree subjects are churning out some morons. But if you teach specifically to a specific thing, I don't think you get people who are going to be any use in the long run, in a rapidly changing environment. I love Excel, but things may be completely different in 20 years and I'll be fucked if I only know how to use it and don't understand the basic principles of stats and logic, for example. Some of the countries who are beating Britain in the competitiveness stakes have teaching more heavily focused on algebra and basic principles. "
We seem to be coming at it from opposite directions. I don't find myself disagreeing with you but I start with what I see on a daily basis and work backwards (i.e a bunch of graduates who are fucked in the workplace because they can't compete with Indian counterparts, for example).
You seem to be building up a logic that culminates in a conclusion that we have to build thing's up this way, I'm no expert of education so I can't really citicise your logic, just that I don't like what appears to be the end result. Correlation is not causation so maybe the graduates I see are screwed for other factors than the eduction system.
I just feel sorry for these people with 27k worth of debt and I have to politely tell them they have no competitive advantage... |
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Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
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Business model and ethos are a non-factor in my opinion, target industries are more relevant. If people want to defend the status quo then fine, that's your opinion and maybe it's right. Just based on what I see, Britain has a competiveness problem and the status quo isn't very pleasant for a lot of out recent graduates. Maybe that's just the economy still suffering from 2008, or maybe our education system is a bit complacent, maybe a bit of both...
I'm not defending the status quo particularly, some universities and some degree subjects are churning out some morons. But if you teach specifically to a specific thing, I don't think you get people who are going to be any use in the long run, in a rapidly changing environment. I love Excel, but things may be completely different in 20 years and I'll be fucked if I only know how to use it and don't understand the basic principles of stats and logic, for example. Some of the countries who are beating Britain in the competitiveness stakes have teaching more heavily focused on algebra and basic principles.
We seem to be coming at it from opposite directions. I don't find myself disagreeing with you but I start with what I see on a daily basis and work backwards (i.e a bunch of graduates who are fucked in the workplace because they can't compete with Indian counterparts, for example).
You seem to be building up a logic that culminates in a conclusion that we have to build thing's up this way, I'm no expert of education so I can't really citicise your logic, just that I don't like what appears to be the end result. Correlation is not causation so maybe the graduates I see are screwed for other factors than the eduction system.
I just feel sorry for these people with 27k worth of debt and I have to politely tell them they have no competitive advantage..."
I'm no education expert either. My bias is probably towards learning for the sake of learning because thats what I'm good at. But then maybe I don't see such an issue because I don't work in an environment where we can just farm it out abroad. (Nor one where we'd pay £30k for a graduate either mind, you get more for your money up here ) |
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!"
Your son's mugging you off. |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's.
This is true to an extent. But I do agree with MrFixxit. How can we know how best to help them with the homework if we are not in the lessons & no explanation is sent home. A lot of the homework just doesn't make sense unless you were to be in the classroom at the time which obviously can't be the case. & when you ask the kids what it's about they can't remember!
How do you propose teachers get around that though? Prepare extra material specially for the parents? If the children can't remember what they did in the lessons or came away without understanding what went on, that's probably what they should be focusing on anyway. "
Surely on the same sheet of paper they could just type a short explanation of what they expect from the children? No need for material specially for us. Then at least we'd working on the same wavelength as the teachers. & a few times my kids have had homework sent home which hasn't been anything to do with what they were learning in the classroom. I found out by taking it to the teacher to ask. So it's not always plain sailing. & Young kids have a short attention span. Can't always rely/expect them to remember everything! |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
But the idea is teaching people the methods and the tools so they know what they can do then they can use a calculator (the exams calculators are allowed). But if they don't know what they're putting into that calculator or what they're trying to achieve then they're screwed.
Teaching them it mentally gives them an understanding so that they can then later use calculators to speed it up.
Well that logic is like saying you can't write software unless you know binary code."
No its not at all.
If you don't understand how trigonometry or algebra works for instance no amount of calculators in the world will help you.
You need to know what you have to type into them to get them to work.
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Business model and ethos are a non-factor in my opinion, target industries are more relevant. If people want to defend the status quo then fine, that's your opinion and maybe it's right. Just based on what I see, Britain has a competiveness problem and the status quo isn't very pleasant for a lot of out recent graduates. Maybe that's just the economy still suffering from 2008, or maybe our education system is a bit complacent, maybe a bit of both...
I'm not defending the status quo particularly, some universities and some degree subjects are churning out some morons. But if you teach specifically to a specific thing, I don't think you get people who are going to be any use in the long run, in a rapidly changing environment. I love Excel, but things may be completely different in 20 years and I'll be fucked if I only know how to use it and don't understand the basic principles of stats and logic, for example. Some of the countries who are beating Britain in the competitiveness stakes have teaching more heavily focused on algebra and basic principles.
We seem to be coming at it from opposite directions. I don't find myself disagreeing with you but I start with what I see on a daily basis and work backwards (i.e a bunch of graduates who are fucked in the workplace because they can't compete with Indian counterparts, for example).
You seem to be building up a logic that culminates in a conclusion that we have to build thing's up this way, I'm no expert of education so I can't really citicise your logic, just that I don't like what appears to be the end result. Correlation is not causation so maybe the graduates I see are screwed for other factors than the eduction system.
I just feel sorry for these people with 27k worth of debt and I have to politely tell them they have no competitive advantage...
I'm no education expert either. My bias is probably towards learning for the sake of learning because thats what I'm good at. But then maybe I don't see such an issue because I don't work in an environment where we can just farm it out abroad. (Nor one where we'd pay £30k for a graduate either mind, you get more for your money up here ) "
My favourite business case study is a company called 'long term capital management' - they had a whole bunch of PhD's and Nobel prize winners who put their theories into practice - then set a new record for America's largest bankruptcy ever, losing ~4bn in 3 months. Ever since then I've subscribed to the Forrest Gump view of the world that "stupid is as stupid does" - hence my bias for practical skillls. |
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off. "
Nope not mugging me off
He has dyslexica and the homework wasnt in his capability in the first place...
And the fact it took 3 adults to try and do it means the teacher thought she was teaching university students, not a primary school child !!
Do you have kids !! |
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
He has dyslexica and the homework wasnt in his capability in the first place...
And the fact it took 3 adults to try and do it means the teacher thought she was teaching university students, not a primary school child !!
Do you have kids !!"
He went and played XBox instead of sitting there and being taught how to do it. That's mugging you off. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
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No you're mugging your son off.
If he can't do the work so instead you do it for him his teachers will never know he's struggling.
All your doing is making things harder for your son.
Also 3 adults to work out primary school homework is somewhat laughable. |
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
He has dyslexica and the homework wasnt in his capability in the first place...
And the fact it took 3 adults to try and do it means the teacher thought she was teaching university students, not a primary school child !!
Do you have kids !!"
You are doing your son no favours. What has he learnt by you doing his homework? And he's on the Xbox??!! Ffs.  |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's.
This is true to an extent. But I do agree with MrFixxit. How can we know how best to help them with the homework if we are not in the lessons & no explanation is sent home. A lot of the homework just doesn't make sense unless you were to be in the classroom at the time which obviously can't be the case. & when you ask the kids what it's about they can't remember!
It's not YOUR homework! !!!
The whole point is to see what the child has remembered, not what the parent can do. As long as they have a go the teacher can see what help they need if they get things wrong. If parents do it all right for them and they have no idea, the child will get more challenging work!!
Not helping the child is it??"
Where did I say I do it for them?
I don't!! But occasionally they get stuck with certain aspects of it & I'd rather have an understanding of what it's about & the correct way to explain it to them so I can help them in the correct way to work it out, rather than confusing them further because I don't understand it. My 3 in Primary School learn things differently to how I learned when I was in Primary. |
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
He has dyslexica and the homework wasnt in his capability in the first place...
And the fact it took 3 adults to try and do it means the teacher thought she was teaching university students, not a primary school child !!
Do you have kids !!
You are doing your son no favours. What has he learnt by you doing his homework? And he's on the Xbox??!! Ffs. "
He's learnt how to take advantage of his mother and gain some free play time |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's.
This is true to an extent. But I do agree with MrFixxit. How can we know how best to help them with the homework if we are not in the lessons & no explanation is sent home. A lot of the homework just doesn't make sense unless you were to be in the classroom at the time which obviously can't be the case. & when you ask the kids what it's about they can't remember!
How do you propose teachers get around that though? Prepare extra material specially for the parents? If the children can't remember what they did in the lessons or came away without understanding what went on, that's probably what they should be focusing on anyway.
Surely on the same sheet of paper they could just type a short explanation of what they expect from the children? No need for material specially for us. Then at least we'd working on the same wavelength as the teachers. & a few times my kids have had homework sent home which hasn't been anything to do with what they were learning in the classroom. I found out by taking it to the teacher to ask. So it's not always plain sailing. & Young kids have a short attention span. Can't always rely/expect them to remember everything! "
Our kids school has a very informative website which helps parents understand what their children are being taught and how and holds parent workshop sessions to show how they teach Maths etc. I would have thought most teachers would gladly produce something if there is no General info available for parents. |
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"Maths was fine until some idiot decided to introduce the alphabet into it!
Perfectly stated
Teaching maths without excel is like teaching someone to become a doctor without medicine.
We had to use a log book for our logarithms. We never used a calculator for anything.
I really struggle with the idea there are a lot of real life situations where one needs to do maths but wouldn't have access to a calculator, better still excel! Maybe business trips to North Korea?
I suppose it depends if you think the purpose of school is to learn for the sake of learning or whether it's actually supposed to prepare children for jobs. If it's the former then the people mocking and loathing it are probably the pragmatic ones who will do better in the real world.
But the idea is teaching people the methods and the tools so they know what they can do then they can use a calculator (the exams calculators are allowed). But if they don't know what they're putting into that calculator or what they're trying to achieve then they're screwed.
Teaching them it mentally gives them an understanding so that they can then later use calculators to speed it up.
Well that logic is like saying you can't write software unless you know binary code.
No its not at all.
If you don't understand how trigonometry or algebra works for instance no amount of calculators in the world will help you.
You need to know what you have to type into them to get them to work.
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To be fair the software might have been a bad example. What I meant was that the people I see in our company write complex algorithms using packages like java or c++, I've never ever seen 1's and 0's on their screen.
On the latter point, I still disagree to the extent that I have absolutely not idea how trigonometry works and yet I manage to do every accounting and financial projection necessary for a FTSE 500 company. Rightly or wrongly, I have deduced from that experience that trigonometry must be a bit niche. I don't own a calculator, except the one on my phone that I don't use. |
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
No you're mugging your son off.
If he can't do the work so instead you do it for him his teachers will never know he's struggling.
All your doing is making things harder for your son.
Also 3 adults to work out primary school homework is somewhat laughable. "
It was phyagram therium !!
My son see,s the number 2 as the number 5, he see,s 5 as a 2
He,s see,s b as a d and a d as a b
He see,s letters and numbers as a squiggle on a page !!
So when the fuck you actually know what your talking about make a comment...
Dyslexcia isnt about intelligence
Its the fact my son see,s letters as a mirror image in the page...!!
And its fucking hard work trying to stop my son losing interest in his edcucation !!
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Maybe they think we should already know how to find the answers. As we went to school ourselves.
Ah.. but they change the techniques on aome subjects.
Or maybe you have now been caught out for NOT PAYING ATTENTION AT THE BACK."
Aome subjects?? where you sat at the back with him?! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
No you're mugging your son off.
If he can't do the work so instead you do it for him his teachers will never know he's struggling.
All your doing is making things harder for your son.
Also 3 adults to work out primary school homework is somewhat laughable.
It was phyagram therium !!
My son see,s the number 2 as the number 5, he see,s 5 as a 2
He,s see,s b as a d and a d as a b
He see,s letters and numbers as a squiggle on a page !!
So when the fuck you actually know what your talking about make a comment...
Dyslexcia isnt about intelligence
Its the fact my son see,s letters as a mirror image in the page...!!
And its fucking hard work trying to stop my son losing interest in his edcucation !!
"
It sounds like you pander to his dyslexia. He either sees squiggles or confuses the characters, not both like you said. Teachers are trained to help with learning difficulties, perhaps ask for more help from them.
Anyway, no one is calling him stupid, just that you should not be hindering his development by doing his work. He'll be fucked when he can't take his GCSEs cos you're not there to fill in the answer boxes. |
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"Not read the whole thread but in my day we did our own homework
That's still the "done" thing. "
My kids do do their own homework, but sometimes they ask for an opinion or an explanation on things so I do sit there with them to enable them to do this. I do make them do it themselves, it was just today and a couple of other times I have just looked and not understood so couldn't help them. |
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"Not read the whole thread but in my day we did our own homework
That's still the "done" thing.
My kids do do their own homework, but sometimes they ask for an opinion or an explanation on things so I do sit there with them to enable them to do this. I do make them do it themselves, it was just today and a couple of other times I have just looked and not understood so couldn't help them."
It wasn't a dig at you. Some posters here are saying they do the homework, without the children present. That takes the piss. I don't think there's anything wrong with you wanting to help your child |
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"Not read the whole thread but in my day we did our own homework
That's still the "done" thing.
My kids do do their own homework, but sometimes they ask for an opinion or an explanation on things so I do sit there with them to enable them to do this. I do make them do it themselves, it was just today and a couple of other times I have just looked and not understood so couldn't help them.
It wasn't a dig at you. Some posters here are saying they do the homework, without the children present. That takes the piss. I don't think there's anything wrong with you wanting to help your child "
Oh I know that, sorry if it came across that way. |
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
No you're mugging your son off.
If he can't do the work so instead you do it for him his teachers will never know he's struggling.
All your doing is making things harder for your son.
Also 3 adults to work out primary school homework is somewhat laughable.
It was phyagram therium !!
My son see,s the number 2 as the number 5, he see,s 5 as a 2
He,s see,s b as a d and a d as a b
He see,s letters and numbers as a squiggle on a page !!
So when the fuck you actually know what your talking about make a comment...
Dyslexcia isnt about intelligence
Its the fact my son see,s letters as a mirror image in the page...!!
And its fucking hard work trying to stop my son losing interest in his edcucation !!
"
I'm assuming by phyagram you mean pythagoras which makes the fact 3 adults couldn't do it shocking given its very simple.
Secondly yes I understand dyslexia given I am dyslexic myself.
You answered your own issue your son has trouble reading the letters,and you just said it's not about intelligence.
So as a mind blowing idea instead do just doing the work for him saying "oh he can't read it so can't do it".
How about you read it out for him?
And you write down his answers.
As for him losing interest in his education he's not getting any education sat playing games while you do it for him |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
No you're mugging your son off.
If he can't do the work so instead you do it for him his teachers will never know he's struggling.
All your doing is making things harder for your son.
Also 3 adults to work out primary school homework is somewhat laughable.
It was phyagram therium !!
My son see,s the number 2 as the number 5, he see,s 5 as a 2
He,s see,s b as a d and a d as a b
He see,s letters and numbers as a squiggle on a page !!
So when the fuck you actually know what your talking about make a comment...
Dyslexcia isnt about intelligence
Its the fact my son see,s letters as a mirror image in the page...!!
And its fucking hard work trying to stop my son losing interest in his edcucation !!
It sounds like you pander to his dyslexia. He either sees squiggles or confuses the characters, not both like you said. Teachers are trained to help with learning difficulties, perhaps ask for more help from them.
Anyway, no one is calling him stupid, just that you should not be hindering his development by doing his work. He'll be fucked when he can't take his GCSEs cos you're not there to fill in the answer boxes. "
Which teachers are you talking about? I worked with hundreds of teachers, I don't remember any of them knowing anything about learning difficulties; most couldn't differentiate work without it being a gap fill. Only specialist teachers had specific training and they didn't give out homework. I think you were unnecessarily rude saying she panders to a learning disability. |
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"Not read the whole thread but in my day we did our own homework
That's still the "done" thing.
My kids do do their own homework, but sometimes they ask for an opinion or an explanation on things so I do sit there with them to enable them to do this. I do make them do it themselves, it was just today and a couple of other times I have just looked and not understood so couldn't help them.
It wasn't a dig at you. Some posters here are saying they do the homework, without the children present. That takes the piss. I don't think there's anything wrong with you wanting to help your child "
I sit with my son every evening
And I dont pander to him, I encourage him to do his homework with guidence
But if a teacher sends home a homework that takes 3 adults to do
Clearly the teacher isnt doing her job !!
And clearly a child is going to have no interest !
Like I asked do you have children ? |
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When my boys started secondary school, I said I'll help you with one project each (there dad is the smart one) so there I was doing a biography on Patrick Stewart, he tried to help me but I got a bit to involved with that one, I was chuffed, I got a B! Should have been an A, but I missed something out, never got a B in my life!! The other son I helped do a biography on gahhhhh I can't remember his name but I did just as well!! |
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
No you're mugging your son off.
If he can't do the work so instead you do it for him his teachers will never know he's struggling.
All your doing is making things harder for your son.
Also 3 adults to work out primary school homework is somewhat laughable.
It was phyagram therium !!
My son see,s the number 2 as the number 5, he see,s 5 as a 2
He,s see,s b as a d and a d as a b
He see,s letters and numbers as a squiggle on a page !!
So when the fuck you actually know what your talking about make a comment...
Dyslexcia isnt about intelligence
Its the fact my son see,s letters as a mirror image in the page...!!
And its fucking hard work trying to stop my son losing interest in his edcucation !!
It sounds like you pander to his dyslexia. He either sees squiggles or confuses the characters, not both like you said. Teachers are trained to help with learning difficulties, perhaps ask for more help from them.
Anyway, no one is calling him stupid, just that you should not be hindering his development by doing his work. He'll be fucked when he can't take his GCSEs cos you're not there to fill in the answer boxes.
Which teachers are you talking about? I worked with hundreds of teachers, I don't remember any of them knowing anything about learning difficulties; most couldn't differentiate work without it being a gap fill. Only specialist teachers had specific training and they didn't give out homework. I think you were unnecessarily rude saying she panders to a learning disability. "
Every teacher at my old schools and my friends who are teachers. Even a relative LSA is trained. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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They are taught different methodologies to those most of us were taught. Things change.
I don't think we should expect primary school teachers to teach us too but we should take the time to find out what the methods are that are being used. The school online resources are there, the wider internet is also great for this.
When I help the children I ask them to explain it to me. It helps their recall and by me being a bit stupid they find a way to present it to me that helps them understand it. As they've got older (Year 6 and Year 10) they do almost all of it on their own using the online resources the school provides.
It's funny that there is an assumption that they have a tutor when all that there has been is teaching them to learn, question and look up the things they are unsure about.
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"Not read the whole thread but in my day we did our own homework
That's still the "done" thing.
My kids do do their own homework, but sometimes they ask for an opinion or an explanation on things so I do sit there with them to enable them to do this. I do make them do it themselves, it was just today and a couple of other times I have just looked and not understood so couldn't help them.
It wasn't a dig at you. Some posters here are saying they do the homework, without the children present. That takes the piss. I don't think there's anything wrong with you wanting to help your child
I sit with my son every evening
And I dont pander to him, I encourage him to do his homework with guidence
But if a teacher sends home a homework that takes 3 adults to do
Clearly the teacher isnt doing her job !!
And clearly a child is going to have no interest !
Like I asked do you have children ?"
Honestly, if it's Pythagoras' theorem you're stuck on, it's not difficult in the slightest. It should not have taken 3 adults. Perhaps your son isn't applying himself as he knows you'll do it all anyway, and, as a result, the teacher isn't aware of any problems in his attainment.
No, I don't have any children. I'd rather wait Til I'm prepared fully to look after them. |
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It's at this point your kid will be developing his coping stratagies to deal with his condition.
If you take this away from him now by removing the need to when he gets to 17/18 and he's alone without you to do it for him while everyone else has 10 years plus of trial and error behind them to find what works he won't and he'll struggle, badly.
It's primary school it's a place where concequences are pretty much non existent so use it as a proving ground for ideas.
If he's that bad at reading would the teacher mind using a dictaphone in class so he can have an audio copy?
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
No you're mugging your son off.
If he can't do the work so instead you do it for him his teachers will never know he's struggling.
All your doing is making things harder for your son.
Also 3 adults to work out primary school homework is somewhat laughable.
It was phyagram therium !!
My son see,s the number 2 as the number 5, he see,s 5 as a 2
He,s see,s b as a d and a d as a b
He see,s letters and numbers as a squiggle on a page !!
So when the fuck you actually know what your talking about make a comment...
Dyslexcia isnt about intelligence
Its the fact my son see,s letters as a mirror image in the page...!!
And its fucking hard work trying to stop my son losing interest in his edcucation !!
I'm assuming by phyagram you mean pythagoras which makes the fact 3 adults couldn't do it shocking given its very simple.
Secondly yes I understand dyslexia given I am dyslexic myself.
You answered your own issue your son has trouble reading the letters,and you just said it's not about intelligence.
So as a mind blowing idea instead do just doing the work for him saying "oh he can't read it so can't do it".
How about you read it out for him?
And you write down his answers.
As for him losing interest in his education he's not getting any education sat playing games while you do it for him "
It first of all was One homework
So you yourself are taking its all his homeworks !
I encourage my son with his education at every step
I dont do his homeworks for him
But due to education cuts my son has not had the help he needed
He got a a specialist in dyslexcia teacher for 30 mins every 2 weeks for 3 months !!
Who brought him on greatly....
But he needed to go to a specific school but education cuts stopped him going !!
Its not a school I could pay for him to go to.....
It run by the education boared !!
And postcode lottery !!
Do you have children !? |
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"Oh jesus christ !
Thank god for google !!
I spent an hour on skype with my friend ( who,s smart) her hubby and myself doing a homework
WHILE MY SON WENT AND PLAYED XBOX !!!!!
Your son's mugging you off.
Nope not mugging me off
No you're mugging your son off.
If he can't do the work so instead you do it for him his teachers will never know he's struggling.
All your doing is making things harder for your son.
Also 3 adults to work out primary school homework is somewhat laughable.
It was phyagram therium !!
My son see,s the number 2 as the number 5, he see,s 5 as a 2
He,s see,s b as a d and a d as a b
He see,s letters and numbers as a squiggle on a page !!
So when the fuck you actually know what your talking about make a comment...
Dyslexcia isnt about intelligence
Its the fact my son see,s letters as a mirror image in the page...!!
And its fucking hard work trying to stop my son losing interest in his edcucation !!
I'm assuming by phyagram you mean pythagoras which makes the fact 3 adults couldn't do it shocking given its very simple.
Secondly yes I understand dyslexia given I am dyslexic myself.
You answered your own issue your son has trouble reading the letters,and you just said it's not about intelligence.
So as a mind blowing idea instead do just doing the work for him saying "oh he can't read it so can't do it".
How about you read it out for him?
And you write down his answers.
As for him losing interest in his education he's not getting any education sat playing games while you do it for him
It first of all was One homework
So you yourself are taking its all his homeworks !
I encourage my son with his education at every step
I dont do his homeworks for him
But due to education cuts my son has not had the help he needed
He got a a specialist in dyslexcia teacher for 30 mins every 2 weeks for 3 months !!
Who brought him on greatly....
But he needed to go to a specific school but education cuts stopped him going !!
Its not a school I could pay for him to go to.....
It run by the education boared !!
And postcode lottery !!
Do you have children !?"
"I dont do his homeworks for him"
Well that's demonstrably false.
Again education cutbacks, money or anything else you've come up with as reasons don't affect the homework.
How is it he think/processes his number is he visually Based or auditory based?
Did you get the results for his tests etc so you could work out how to help him develop stratagies
Nah I don't have kids.
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"Please, I did not start this thread for it to turn into personal attacks on anyone one. I just asked what I thought was a simple question. "
As a parent I knew what you meant by the question.
It's always so easy to see how you would 'parent' from the outside looking in.... |
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"Please, I did not start this thread for it to turn into personal attacks on anyone one. I just asked what I thought was a simple question.
As a parent I knew what you meant by the question.
It's always so easy to see how you would 'parent' from the outside looking in...."
Yes, but you really shouldn't carry your child throughout their life. Other posters clearly take what the OP said to the extreme, and that's clearly not good for a child. |
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"Please, I did not start this thread for it to turn into personal attacks on anyone one. I just asked what I thought was a simple question.
As a parent I knew what you meant by the question.
It's always so easy to see how you would 'parent' from the outside looking in....
Yes, but you really shouldn't carry your child throughout their life. Other posters clearly take what the OP said to the extreme, and that's clearly not good for a child. "
Yes, so like everything in life it's about balance. Letting your child find their own way and helping them when need be,which will vary accordingly.
At KS1, not so much KS2 our school encourages the parent to assist with the h/w for at least 20 mins per day. Doesn't appear too challenging to an adult like you or me but to a tired 5 year old it is.
Would also like to point out that age group isnt into making notes from their lessons ( as mentioned above ^^ ) so trying to recal what they did at school takes at least 15 of those minutes up....... |
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"Please, I did not start this thread for it to turn into personal attacks on anyone one. I just asked what I thought was a simple question.
As a parent I knew what you meant by the question.
It's always so easy to see how you would 'parent' from the outside looking in....
Yes, but you really shouldn't carry your child throughout their life. Other posters clearly take what the OP said to the extreme, and that's clearly not good for a child.
Yes, so like everything in life it's about balance. Letting your child find their own way and helping them when need be,which will vary accordingly.
At KS1, not so much KS2 our school encourages the parent to assist with the h/w for at least 20 mins per day. Doesn't appear too challenging to an adult like you or me but to a tired 5 year old it is.
Would also like to point out that age group isnt into making notes from their lessons ( as mentioned above ^^ ) so trying to recal what they did at school takes at least 15 of those minutes up....... "
Nothing wrong with helping, children should learn from their parents.
Parents shouldn't do homework whilst children play on the XBox. That's ridiculous. |
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"Yep. All we get is a list of questions, with no explanation of what they relate to.
Maybe the schools think we can mind read?
Erm...presumably that's because they relate to the lesson, which the children have been in?
Unless of course it's your homework, not your child's. "
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Exactly what I was gonna say. |
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Rather than the parent figuring it out, maybe the kid should go back to the teacher and say I don't understand this. If lots of kids do this the teacher will maybe have to go over the work again as a class.
Or maybe theyll be able to give better differentiated homework that is more suited to the ability. |
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"Please, I did not start this thread for it to turn into personal attacks on anyone one. I just asked what I thought was a simple question.
As a parent I knew what you meant by the question.
It's always so easy to see how you would 'parent' from the outside looking in...."
As ever, non-parents have no valid opinions! It's also easy to sit and slag off teachers and their guidelines from the outside looking in... |
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"Please, I did not start this thread for it to turn into personal attacks on anyone one. I just asked what I thought was a simple question.
As a parent I knew what you meant by the question.
It's always so easy to see how you would 'parent' from the outside looking in....
Yes, but you really shouldn't carry your child throughout their life. Other posters clearly take what the OP said to the extreme, and that's clearly not good for a child.
Yes, so like everything in life it's about balance. Letting your child find their own way and helping them when need be,which will vary accordingly.
At KS1, not so much KS2 our school encourages the parent to assist with the h/w for at least 20 mins per day. Doesn't appear too challenging to an adult like you or me but to a tired 5 year old it is.
Would also like to point out that age group isnt into making notes from their lessons ( as mentioned above ^^ ) so trying to recal what they did at school takes at least 15 of those minutes up.......
Nothing wrong with helping, children should learn from their parents.
Parents shouldn't do homework whilst children play on the XBox. That's ridiculous. "
Did someone actually say they do this? |
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"Please, I did not start this thread for it to turn into personal attacks on anyone one. I just asked what I thought was a simple question.
As a parent I knew what you meant by the question.
It's always so easy to see how you would 'parent' from the outside looking in....
As ever, non-parents have no valid opinions! It's also easy to sit and slag off teachers and their guidelines from the outside looking in..."
I didn't say that though did I. But to fail to see why a child may not be able to recal their working day or have the ability to make notes implies a lack of understanding imo.
I haven't slagged off teachers or their guidelines, hence why i sit with my children and assist with their homework where possible.
and yes on the odd occasion I have ended up completing it for her when she clearly had no grasp of the subject & followed it up with a note to her teacher.
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"Please, I did not start this thread for it to turn into personal attacks on anyone one. I just asked what I thought was a simple question.
As a parent I knew what you meant by the question.
It's always so easy to see how you would 'parent' from the outside looking in....
Yes, but you really shouldn't carry your child throughout their life. Other posters clearly take what the OP said to the extreme, and that's clearly not good for a child.
Yes, so like everything in life it's about balance. Letting your child find their own way and helping them when need be,which will vary accordingly.
At KS1, not so much KS2 our school encourages the parent to assist with the h/w for at least 20 mins per day. Doesn't appear too challenging to an adult like you or me but to a tired 5 year old it is.
Would also like to point out that age group isnt into making notes from their lessons ( as mentioned above ^^ ) so trying to recal what they did at school takes at least 15 of those minutes up....... "
Couldn't have put it better myself! |
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"Rather than the parent figuring it out, maybe the kid should go back to the teacher and say I don't understand this. If lots of kids do this the teacher will maybe have to go over the work again as a class.
Or maybe theyll be able to give better differentiated homework that is more suited to the ability. "
Parents are supposed to know what the child/ren are doing though. So they can help the child achieve their full potential and work along side the school. So if your child (which I'm presuming you have children given your valued interest on this thread) got really stuck on their homework would you just sit there doing your own thing & tell them you're not interested?? That to me is worse. Would make the child feel that you aren't bothered what they do & won't help them. & by help them I do not mean do it for them. I mean help to give them a clearer understanding of what is expected of the homework. |
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perhaps the length of the school day should be increased by the amount of time that children are expected to put in doing homework and do away with homework alltogether. after all that's where the resources for studying are centred. |
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i remember the kids maths being done differently - when they were stuck i used to go over it with them and they looked at me as if i was from a different planet - oh we dont do it that way - in the end we got the same answer just altered the method of teaching- seems a tad strange to me |
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"Please, I did not start this thread for it to turn into personal attacks on anyone one. I just asked what I thought was a simple question.
As a parent I knew what you meant by the question.
It's always so easy to see how you would 'parent' from the outside looking in....
Yes, but you really shouldn't carry your child throughout their life. Other posters clearly take what the OP said to the extreme, and that's clearly not good for a child.
Yes, so like everything in life it's about balance. Letting your child find their own way and helping them when need be,which will vary accordingly.
At KS1, not so much KS2 our school encourages the parent to assist with the h/w for at least 20 mins per day. Doesn't appear too challenging to an adult like you or me but to a tired 5 year old it is.
Would also like to point out that age group isnt into making notes from their lessons ( as mentioned above ^^ ) so trying to recal what they did at school takes at least 15 of those minutes up.......
Couldn't have put it better myself! "
Definitely, my daughter is absolutely fine but my son stresses over it and I have to help him recall what they've learnt in relation to the homework. I like to encourage them, I don't do it for them.. |
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"i remember the kids maths being done differently - when they were stuck i used to go over it with them and they looked at me as if i was from a different planet - oh we dont do it that way - in the end we got the same answer just altered the method of teaching- seems a tad strange to me"
I've found this, as I said earlier in the post, I went to a maths lesson which parents were invited to to show how they taught maths now. Nearly all of us were looking, going what? I tried to do it their way and couldn't get the answers, did it the way I was taught and could. But it was a useful tool to help understand how the kids are learning these days. |
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