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over a year ago
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The Met have just agreed compensation claims from a number of women who were befriend by under cover police and in some cases had children by these officers who had families themselves.
Given the recent events in Paris are any or all overt or covert security operations justified? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"It's a bit weird thinking it's alright to fuck women and get them pregnant just to maintain a cover. Hopefully they'll also be reprimanded severely. "
the CPS have said no charges can be brought due to various evidential and security reasons
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's a bit weird thinking it's alright to fuck women and get them pregnant just to maintain a cover. Hopefully they'll also be reprimanded severely. the CPS have said no charges can be brought due to various evidential and security reasons"
They can still be reprimanded professionally. For example, I could get a warning at work for calling someone an idiot but it's not a prosecutable crime. |
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Isn't this deception, I'm sure the women wouldn't have consented to sex if they have known the truth. We've seen a woman get 8 years for deceiving another woman into thinking she was a man, isn't this in the same category, or do they think we all know that men are lying bastards and only women can be trusted to always tell the truth in a relationship.  Just strikes me as having double standards in the eyes of the law.
Jenny xxx |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Isn't this deception, I'm sure the women wouldn't have consented to sex if they have known the truth. We've seen a woman get 8 years for deceiving another woman into thinking she was a man, isn't this in the same category, or do they think we all know that men are lying bastards and only women can be trusted to always tell the truth in a relationship. Just strikes me as having double standards in the eyes of the law.
Jenny xxx "
this is my point |
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This highlights the reason the snoopers charter is worrying to me.
The law (authorities) are a law unto themselves.
They can deceive, keep secret, keep hidden anything that they think will give them an end result but find a way to dance around the consequences when it's immoral.
I understand things need to be done by the security services but if a line can't be drawn at fucking and impregnating women then it beggars belief where it can be drawn. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Isn't this deception, I'm sure the women wouldn't have consented to sex if they have known the truth. We've seen a woman get 8 years for deceiving another woman into thinking she was a man, isn't this in the same category, or do they think we all know that men are lying bastards and only women can be trusted to always tell the truth in a relationship. Just strikes me as having double standards in the eyes of the law.
Jenny xxx "
That case makes my head spin to be honest. On one hand I think "well maybe it's one of those things that sounds ridiculous until it happens to you" and then on the other hand I think "seriously, you couldn't tell the difference between skin and a prosthetic penis?" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So,they had sex under false pretenses,and now a child has a father who knows his dad was just doing his job. That sounds more than reprimandable to me. "
A lot of officers will receive immunities from certain things so it's not likely to be a criminal issue. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is both repulsive and repugnant
Not just the officers but the civil servants and ministers who promoted this should be prosecuted
We talk of invasions of privacy these days in terms of having your internet history monitored.
Imagine loving someone, having them inside you, bearing children with them, giving them your all and then finding out it meant nothing to them. None of it. Except maybe a report.
In fact, don't, because it doesn't bear thinking about. |
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"who were they investigating, librarians?  "
They had long-term undercover operations to infiltrate radical political or social causes, such as environmental campaigns, anarchy and animal rights.
I'm sure you can use Google.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
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That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo. |
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo. "
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo. "
Because it was institutionally sponsored
There is a difference between a person having a bit on the side and something that has its roots at an institutional level.
Both distasteful but on wholly different level |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint. "
Caveat emptor? - since we're getting all Latin in the house |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because it was institutionally sponsored
There is a difference between a person having a bit on the side and something that has its roots at an institutional level.
Both distasteful but on wholly different level"
Were the officers forced into the relationships as part of the operation? If so, then I understand your point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint. "
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies). |
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"Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint.
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies). "
Of course it's not rape, but it is an abuse of trust and position. By an officer of the law. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint.
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies). "
It was "sexual assault" in the case of a woman gaining consent by pretending to be a man - true story |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You always see Po Po getting in trouble for having sex on duty. This is much more serious so there should be recourse. However because they have left the job not that much you can do in the eyes of the law. Just leaves the organisation to pick up the pieces.
They should get royally sued. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint.
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies).
It was "sexual assault" in the case of a woman gaining consent by pretending to be a man - true story "
Different case and different details though. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint.
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies).
Of course it's not rape, but it is an abuse of trust and position. By an officer of the law. "
Yeh that's what I think too  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint.
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies).
It was "sexual assault" in the case of a woman gaining consent by pretending to be a man - true story
Different case and different details though. "
Isn't the principle that the person wouldn't have given their consent if they'd know the real identity of the person?
As I said earlier, the whole case sends me spinning and I find the verdict rather odd but it is what it is |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint.
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies).
It was "sexual assault" in the case of a woman gaining consent by pretending to be a man - true story
Different case and different details though.
Isn't the principle that the person wouldn't have given their consent if they'd know the real identity of the person?
As I said earlier, the whole case sends me spinning and I find the verdict rather odd but it is what it is "
I think the problem there was physical - if the girl was a bloke, it'd never have gone to court. She didn't consent to being fucked with a strap on. She consented to a bloke with a cock.
This one is more civil. They did consent to sex, they just didn't like it when they found out the bloke had lied and felt used by the operation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint.
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies).
It was "sexual assault" in the case of a woman gaining consent by pretending to be a man - true story
Different case and different details though.
Isn't the principle that the person wouldn't have given their consent if they'd know the real identity of the person?
As I said earlier, the whole case sends me spinning and I find the verdict rather odd but it is what it is
I think the problem there was physical - if the girl was a bloke, it'd never have gone to court. She didn't consent to being fucked with a strap on. She consented to a bloke with a cock.
This one is more civil. They did consent to sex, they just didn't like it when they found out the bloke had lied and felt used by the operation."
Makes sense. I wonder if the pregnancy was planned or not. That's the saddest part of the story from my point of view. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This one is more civil. They did consent to sex, they just didn't like it when they found out the bloke had lied and felt used by the operation.
Tantamount to RAPE - is it Not..  "
No. I think to say you're raped just cos a man lied is trivialising rape for rape victims. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint.
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies).
It was "sexual assault" in the case of a woman gaining consent by pretending to be a man - true story
Different case and different details though.
Isn't the principle that the person wouldn't have given their consent if they'd know the real identity of the person?
As I said earlier, the whole case sends me spinning and I find the verdict rather odd but it is what it is
I think the problem there was physical - if the girl was a bloke, it'd never have gone to court. She didn't consent to being fucked with a strap on. She consented to a bloke with a cock.
This one is more civil. They did consent to sex, they just didn't like it when they found out the bloke had lied and felt used by the operation.
Makes sense. I wonder if the pregnancy was planned or not. That's the saddest part of the story from my point of view. "
I can't believe the male was that stupid, unless he genuinely liked the female and wanted that life. Sad to bring a child into it either way as the situation isn't conducive to a happy life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know, some folk are acting like this was the first time a man was caught lying to a woman to get his end away.
That's why I don't really see why it's criminal, in the sense of rape claims. They just lied, like every cheat on here. It's abhorrent, but not really illegal imo.
Because he was an officer of the law, at work on a mission to uncover something supposedly vital to national security - not there to get his end away and start a family with some unsuspecting bint.
I don't think it was an okay thing to do, but it's not rape imo. Doesn't appear to be force or threat, and all consensual (albeit it based on lies).
It was "sexual assault" in the case of a woman gaining consent by pretending to be a man - true story
Different case and different details though.
Isn't the principle that the person wouldn't have given their consent if they'd know the real identity of the person?
As I said earlier, the whole case sends me spinning and I find the verdict rather odd but it is what it is
I think the problem there was physical - if the girl was a bloke, it'd never have gone to court. She didn't consent to being fucked with a strap on. She consented to a bloke with a cock.
This one is more civil. They did consent to sex, they just didn't like it when they found out the bloke had lied and felt used by the operation.
Makes sense. I wonder if the pregnancy was planned or not. That's the saddest part of the story from my point of view.
I can't believe the male was that stupid, unless he genuinely liked the female and wanted that life."
Even so. If he liked it then he should have put a ring on it. |
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This story only came to light when two of the women were having blindfolded sex together when one of their partners bust in on them and said; "Hello, Hello, Hello, what's going on here then".
Jenny xxx |
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"The Met have just agreed compensation claims from a number of women who were befriend by under cover police and in some cases had children by these officers who had families themselves.
Given the recent events in Paris are any or all overt or covert security operations justified?"
. . Did the ladies concerned not see any warning signs on their relationship?. Whilst they feel they they were wronged , they were quite happy to accept compensation , and in the case of a few appear publicly on a TV show.
If they were members od organisation that the police needed to infiltrate on an under cover basis , we can assume that they had little sympathy for the forces if law and order in the first instance.
If we are fighting terrorism , anything is justified . . |
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"The Met have just agreed compensation claims from a number of women who were befriend by under cover police and in some cases had children by these officers who had families themselves.
Given the recent events in Paris are any or all overt or covert security operations justified?. . Did the ladies concerned not see any warning signs on their relationship?. Whilst they feel they they were wronged , they were quite happy to accept compensation , and in the case of a few appear publicly on a TV show.
If they were members od organisation that the police needed to infiltrate on an under cover basis , we can assume that they had little sympathy for the forces if law and order in the first instance.
If we are fighting terrorism , anything is justified . ."
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