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"i know just woke up thought i was having nightmare barely over a week since Paris ... ww3 soon i think" I personally feel we're already in ww3. | |||
"i know just woke up thought i was having nightmare barely over a week since Paris ... ww3 soon i think I personally feel we're already in ww3." indeed but i mean official where its declared...constription etc | |||
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"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate " Absolutely 
With today's technology , it's hard to see that these scum are able to carry out such inhuman acts all over the world .
More cctv , more spies , more Intel , more ground troops , more drones , and shoot to kill .
Let's see if the promise of paradise is still as important to them after a concerted attack on the very heart of the filth that rage war on the innocent .
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"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate " Lets organise a whip-round to get your ticket. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Lets organise a whip-round to get your ticket. " oooohhh!!! Smarting still are you !!  | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate " This rationale sounds familiar. If only I could remember how that turned out 
-Courtney | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate " Which fuckers? These particular people are NOT the same people that attacked Paris. As it happens Mali has been in a terrorist struggle with AQIM for a while but our media has largely ignored it. These people are Islamist fanatics like ISIS but are part of the broader Al Quieda coalition who actually are enemies of ISIS in Iraq and Syria. The only connection that all of these atrocities have is that the organisers are using religion as a rallying message. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate This rationale sounds familiar. If only I could remember how that turned out
-Courtney"It's ok, they got him and found them in the end. Sorry if I spoiled the ending  | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate This rationale sounds familiar. If only I could remember how that turned out
-Courtney"Ah yes but remember it wasn't the fact that a mandate wasn't gained but the fact that Tony wanker Blair lied about the Intel so he could be George Bush's best mate . i think the Intel on whether or not Scum Islamic extremists are intent on mass murdering innocent people is pretty sound don't you think ? | |||
"i know just woke up thought i was having nightmare barely over a week since Paris ... ww3 soon i think" I said this on Saturday! To no one in particular but actually remember saying it! | |||
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"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate This rationale sounds familiar. If only I could remember how that turned out
-Courtney
Ah yes but remember it wasn't the fact that a mandate wasn't gained but the fact that Tony wanker Blair lied about the Intel so he could be George Bush's best mate . i think the Intel on whether or not Scum Islamic extremists are intent on mass murdering innocent people is pretty sound don't you think ? "The intel isn't sound on what it the best way to deal with the threat. And not having a global consensus was certainly damaging previously. Most certainly. -Courtney | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate This rationale sounds familiar. If only I could remember how that turned out
-Courtney
Ah yes but remember it wasn't the fact that a mandate wasn't gained but the fact that Tony wanker Blair lied about the Intel so he could be George Bush's best mate . i think the Intel on whether or not Scum Islamic extremists are intent on mass murdering innocent people is pretty sound don't you think ?
The intel isn't sound on what it the best way to deal with the threat. And not having a global consensus was certainly damaging previously. Most certainly.
-Courtney"I know what your saying but what do you suggest ? Do nothing ???? | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ?" That is the crux of the issue. This war needs to be fought differently and cannot be won by bombs and bullets (alone). The extremist narratives have to be challenged and that can only be achieved by the rest of the world - including the 1.6 billion non violent Muslims - undertaking a massive electronic attack on the messages coming from the extremists. Christianity went through a period of enlightenment and Islam has yet to do this. At one time Islam gave the planet the greatest scientists and scholars but unfortunately modern science is disproving many fundamental Islamic (and all religions) principles and Islam is at a crossroads in its evolution. The world now has to force a period of enlightenment on Islam and vocally challenge the clearly nonsensical narrative that is fueling the extremist ideology. By simply bombing and shooting them, we only feed their narrative that the west hates Muslims. Just look at this thread and almost every other news site and social media forum - we are doing exactly what the maniacs want - we are hating Muslims and that is delivering a victory to the terrorists. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate This rationale sounds familiar. If only I could remember how that turned out
-Courtney
Ah yes but remember it wasn't the fact that a mandate wasn't gained but the fact that Tony wanker Blair lied about the Intel so he could be George Bush's best mate . i think the Intel on whether or not Scum Islamic extremists are intent on mass murdering innocent people is pretty sound don't you think ?
The intel isn't sound on what it the best way to deal with the threat. And not having a global consensus was certainly damaging previously. Most certainly.
-Courtney
I know what your saying but what do you suggest ? Do nothing ????"Of course not. But I think people with more information than us need to take a look at the evidence and decide on a unified course of action. With the events in Paris and the Russian plane, that is more possible now than ever. Rushing in with guns blazing is not the answer, and likely counterproductive. -Courtney | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? That is the crux of the issue. This war needs to be fought differently and cannot be won by bombs and bullets (alone). The extremist narratives have to be challenged and that can only be achieved by the rest of the world - including the 1.6 billion non violent Muslims - undertaking a massive electronic attack on the messages coming from the extremists. Christianity went through a period of enlightenment and Islam has yet to do this. At one time Islam gave the planet the greatest scientists and scholars but unfortunately modern science is disproving many fundamental Islamic (and all religions) principles and Islam is at a crossroads in its evolution. The world now has to force a period of enlightenment on Islam and vocally challenge the clearly nonsensical narrative that is fueling the extremist ideology. By simply bombing and shooting them, we only feed their narrative that the west hates Muslims. Just look at this thread and almost every other news site and social media forum - we are doing exactly what the maniacs want - we are hating Muslims and that is delivering a victory to the terrorists." Excellent post , thank you | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate " The UN have had troops in Mali for a couple of years I think but it hasnt been on the radar because its not on our doorstep | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate This rationale sounds familiar. If only I could remember how that turned out
-Courtney
Ah yes but remember it wasn't the fact that a mandate wasn't gained but the fact that Tony wanker Blair lied about the Intel so he could be George Bush's best mate . i think the Intel on whether or not Scum Islamic extremists are intent on mass murdering innocent people is pretty sound don't you think ?
The intel isn't sound on what it the best way to deal with the threat. And not having a global consensus was certainly damaging previously. Most certainly.
-Courtney
I know what your saying but what do you suggest ? Do nothing ????"1) Radical fundamentalism did not have territory when 9/11 happened. Bombing Daesh out of Syria and Iraq will not stop terrorism. 2) IS operate in Iraq, Syria and Libya. Boko Haram operate in Africa. AQIM operate in the north of Mali and surrounding countries. Al Shabbab and others in the horn of Africa. The Taliban are still in Afghanistan. Russia is dealing with Islamic extremists in their southern states and not forgetting the largely unheard of (in the west) islamic terrorist groups in China, Phillipines and Asia generally. 3) The west has already pursued failed military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia also failed in Afghanistan and is struggling to cope with its own troubles. 4) What militart action do you think the world can undertake in all of these different places in order to defeat all these splintered groups? 5) The answer is to challenge the narrative. To make Islam grow up and to educate the masses. Making war on every content as a means to change someones mind about the ideas that they have has never worked in history and it wont work now. | |||
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"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate " Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? " Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. | |||
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"i know just woke up thought i was having nightmare barely over a week since Paris ... ww3 soon i think" No chance, look at what 'al Qaeda' apparently done and how long our troops have been in afghan, yet that wasn't a world war.. maybe Religious War 1? | |||
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"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? That is the crux of the issue. This war needs to be fought differently and cannot be won by bombs and bullets (alone). The extremist narratives have to be challenged and that can only be achieved by the rest of the world - including the 1.6 billion non violent Muslims - undertaking a massive electronic attack on the messages coming from the extremists. Christianity went through a period of enlightenment and Islam has yet to do this. At one time Islam gave the planet the greatest scientists and scholars but unfortunately modern science is disproving many fundamental Islamic (and all religions) principles and Islam is at a crossroads in its evolution. The world now has to force a period of enlightenment on Islam and vocally challenge the clearly nonsensical narrative that is fueling the extremist ideology. By simply bombing and shooting them, we only feed their narrative that the west hates Muslims. Just look at this thread and almost every other news site and social media forum - we are doing exactly what the maniacs want - we are hating Muslims and that is delivering a victory to the terrorists." Very good post. It's also worth remembering that if dropping bombs on people caused peace to break out, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan would probably be the most peaceful places on the planet right now. | |||
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"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved." Neville Chamberlain tried talking to the Nazis in the 1930's, then look what happened. ISIS are the new Nazis. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Neville Chamberlain tried talking to the Nazis in the 1930's, then look what happened. ISIS are the new Nazis." No they aren't, they are a relatively tiny cult. They haven't done anything that is even fractionally approximate to the Nazis. Suggesting they are is a disgraceful insult to the very people who fought the Nazis for our freedom. Here's something for you to do if you aren't busy, though. Why not count up all the wars that have ever happened, and try to work out how many of them ended without a dialogue between the opposing sides, rather than one side reducing the other to rubble. | |||
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"I think we need to sit everyone down and talk it out, that includes Isis.get to the real root of the problem and see if we can work this shit out because it's only going to get worse "I'm not naming names but one of our number will have 1.5kg of plastic up their bum holes at the parley. | |||
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"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Neville Chamberlain tried talking to the Nazis in the 1930's, then look what happened. ISIS are the new Nazis. No they aren't, they are a relatively tiny cult. They haven't done anything that is even fractionally approximate to the Nazis. Suggesting they are is a disgraceful insult to the very people who fought the Nazis for our freedom. Here's something for you to do if you aren't busy, though. Why not count up all the wars that have ever happened, and try to work out how many of them ended without a dialogue between the opposing sides, rather than one side reducing the other to rubble." The parallels between the Nazis and ISIS are shockingly similar in many areas. They kill anyone who does not agree with their ideology they kill people who they see as inferior such as gays, they want to establish a global caliphate in the same way the Nazis wanted to establish a global 3rd Reich. They see themselves as superior in much the same way the Nazis considered the Aryan race to be superior. They want to exterminate the infidels / the Nazis wanted to exterminate the Jews. The comparisons are plain for all to see. Secondly I would never insult anyone who fought for our freedoms against the Nazis, my grandfather was in the RAF during world war 2, and my grandfather's brother died in operation market garden trying to take the bridges at Arnhem. Some people you just cannot negotiate or talk with, this was proved with the Nazis and the Japanese in ww2, the Nazis were reduced to rubble by the allies and the Japanese surrendered only when they were faced with annihilation by the atomic bomb. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved." Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. | |||
"For people interested in understanding the real motivations of people in ISIS rather than simply echoing the Britain First 72 virgins line, this is a great article from someone who has actually interviewed ISIS captives: http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/" Thank you for the link. I always think that all these are rooted from hatred/vengeance against a certain country (and its allies; and its people) rather than religion. | |||
"Just need to carry on not living in fear and not turn our backs on the good Muslims. They are on our side " This. Over a billion Muslims following their faith as it's written. IS are not followers of their true faith. | |||
"I know it's hard not to, but part of me would rather not hear about all this bad news that's going on and kind of living in fear, if I don't read about it or listen to it, I'm more inclined to just get on with life. As has been said, when you're time is up, it's up. " I'm very much with you on this. Mr is very news savvy, constantly reading on his phone whereas I am admittedly ignorant of the news through choice and don't read or watch anything to do with it I just hear stuff from the Mr when it happens. Yesterday I decided to read a daily paper for the first time in I don't know how long and last night I didn't get a wink of sleep through fear. Silly thoughts were going through my head of which country is the safest to live in, which one had the least enemies and what would I do if faced with a terrorist lol daft thoughts I know but it affected me that much. My baby daughter was laid next to me dreaming away, I thought to myself it's my job to protect her but these people would think nothing of blowing up somewhere where she was and I'm powerless against that. Horrible feeling. I'm going to stay ignorant from now on and focus on the happy things in life because this isn't a practice run, I'm only here once and every day I'm alive to be happy and love is one I won't get back Xx | |||
"I know it's hard not to, but part of me would rather not hear about all this bad news that's going on and kind of living in fear, if I don't read about it or listen to it, I'm more inclined to just get on with life. As has been said, when you're time is up, it's up. I'm very much with you on this. Mr is very news savvy, constantly reading on his phone whereas I am admittedly ignorant of the news through choice and don't read or watch anything to do with it I just hear stuff from the Mr when it happens. Yesterday I decided to read a daily paper for the first time in I don't know how long and last night I didn't get a wink of sleep through fear. Silly thoughts were going through my head of which country is the safest to live in, which one had the least enemies and what would I do if faced with a terrorist lol daft thoughts I know but it affected me that much. My baby daughter was laid next to me dreaming away, I thought to myself it's my job to protect her but these people would think nothing of blowing up somewhere where she was and I'm powerless against that. Horrible feeling. I'm going to stay ignorant from now on and focus on the happy things in life because this isn't a practice run, I'm only here once and every day I'm alive to be happy and love is one I won't get back Xx" | |||
"Some people you just cannot negotiate or talk with" Here's the thing though, you only think this because you've read it in the papers. You personally know nothing about ISIS beyond what you have been told by our media, and the propaganda that ISIS themselves disseminate to stir up hatred between the West and Muslims and to push us closer to acts of war against them. No doubt there are people within the cult who fit your description, but there are also thousands who do not. There is no way of bombing an ideology into submission. What you have to do is understand the reasons why people follow the ideology, and offer them better choices. Here's that article once again: http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/ I encourage you to have a read of it, and see how you think it fits in with your certainty that they are all people who cannot be reasoned with. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. " What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us." since the Russians started bombing them isis is falling to bits. stop telling porkies. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. since the Russians started bombing them isis is falling to bits. stop telling porkies. " Are they? Nobody seems to have told them that. Or are you forgetting the Russian airliner they blew up last month, and the people killed in Paris last week? And the $50M worth of oil they sell each month? Dealing with ISIS isn't going to be like flicking off a switch. If there is no-one committing atrocities under their flag in 10 years time, then you might be right. But at the moment you are completely wrong. | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? That is the crux of the issue. This war needs to be fought differently and cannot be won by bombs and bullets (alone). The extremist narratives have to be challenged and that can only be achieved by the rest of the world - including the 1.6 billion non violent Muslims - undertaking a massive electronic attack on the messages coming from the extremists. Christianity went through a period of enlightenment and Islam has yet to do this. At one time Islam gave the planet the greatest scientists and scholars but unfortunately modern science is disproving many fundamental Islamic (and all religions) principles and Islam is at a crossroads in its evolution. The world now has to force a period of enlightenment on Islam and vocally challenge the clearly nonsensical narrative that is fueling the extremist ideology. By simply bombing and shooting them, we only feed their narrative that the west hates Muslims. Just look at this thread and almost every other news site and social media forum - we are doing exactly what the maniacs want - we are hating Muslims and that is delivering a victory to the terrorists." We are all fed up with it, the people will only be pushed so far! Ban religion from being taught outside of the home. Then we as humans will progress, best not to sympathise with factions as they are part of the whole issue.  | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. since the Russians started bombing them isis is falling to bits. stop telling porkies. " Well one way would be to stop their revenue flow. Blow up oil pumps. Prevent them selling oil, even on black market. Freeze any known assets. And threaten financial sympathisers with huge sanctions if they continue to fund them. Cut off as many revenue streams as possible. They must import food, supplies, munitions from outside Syria, find these sources and shut them down. Few examples of non violent solutions. | |||
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"This is my question, who is buying the oil from isis? Who is refining it and selling the petrol? Where is the petrol being sold?" There is a very good article on that here from the FT: http://ig.ft.com/sites/2015/isis-oil/ | |||
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"Some people you just cannot negotiate or talk with Here's the thing though, you only think this because you've read it in the papers. You personally know nothing about ISIS beyond what you have been told by our media, and the propaganda that ISIS themselves disseminate to stir up hatred between the West and Muslims and to push us closer to acts of war against them. No doubt there are people within the cult who fit your description, but there are also thousands who do not. There is no way of bombing an ideology into submission. What you have to do is understand the reasons why people follow the ideology, and offer them better choices. Here's that article once again: http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/ I encourage you to have a read of it, and see how you think it fits in with your certainty that they are all people who cannot be reasoned with." Interesting you only quoted a small snippet of my post to pick fault with. 2nd, I don't think it because I've read it in the papers or heard it in the media, as my previous post explained when you look back through history it has been proved to be the case that you can't negotiate or talk to some people. The language of force and violence unfortunately is the only language some people deal in and understand (the Nazis, the Japanese in ww2 and now ISIS seem to fit into that category). I agree with you that Isis will not be beaten by bombing alone, or even sending in ground troops, the propoganda battle and defeating their poisonous ideology is just as important, a mix of different strategies is needed, just talking to them won't get you very far. | |||
"This is my question, who is buying the oil from isis? Who is refining it and selling the petrol? Where is the petrol being sold?" Well turkey for one | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. since the Russians started bombing them isis is falling to bits. stop telling porkies. Are they? Nobody seems to have told them that. Or are you forgetting the Russian airliner they blew up last month, and the people killed in Paris last week? And the $50M worth of oil they sell each month? Dealing with ISIS isn't going to be like flicking off a switch. If there is no-one committing atrocities under their flag in 10 years time, then you might be right. But at the moment you are completely wrong." how are you having a prophetic argument about something that happened last week? | |||
"Some people you just cannot negotiate or talk with Here's the thing though, you only think this because you've read it in the papers. You personally know nothing about ISIS beyond what you have been told by our media, and the propaganda that ISIS themselves disseminate to stir up hatred between the West and Muslims and to push us closer to acts of war against them. No doubt there are people within the cult who fit your description, but there are also thousands who do not. There is no way of bombing an ideology into submission. What you have to do is understand the reasons why people follow the ideology, and offer them better choices. Here's that article once again: http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/ I encourage you to have a read of it, and see how you think it fits in with your certainty that they are all people who cannot be reasoned with. Interesting you only quoted a small snippet of my post to pick fault with. 2nd, I don't think it because I've read it in the papers or heard it in the media, as my previous post explained when you look back through history it has been proved to be the case that you can't negotiate or talk to some people. The language of force and violence unfortunately is the only language some people deal in and understand (the Nazis, the Japanese in ww2 and now ISIS seem to fit into that category). I agree with you that Isis will not be beaten by bombing alone, or even sending in ground troops, the propoganda battle and defeating their poisonous ideology is just as important, a mix of different strategies is needed, just talking to them won't get you very far. " The bit I picked out was the only bit I disagreed with. And what you've written here doesn't change that, although it's good to see that you recognise now that it's not as simple as 'bomb them all'. I don't believe that you have any personal experience of ISIS members and their beliefs, so it's worth listening to other people who have (such as the guy who wrote that article). The more you do so, the harder you'll find it to paint them one-dimensionally. It's worth remembering that the Nazis were only a small part of the German army, for example. Characterising the Nazis does not characterise the people our grandfathers fought. Similarly, the religious fundamentalists in ISIS make up a small part of the group as a whole. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. since the Russians started bombing them isis is falling to bits. stop telling porkies. Are they? Nobody seems to have told them that. Or are you forgetting the Russian airliner they blew up last month, and the people killed in Paris last week? And the $50M worth of oil they sell each month? Dealing with ISIS isn't going to be like flicking off a switch. If there is no-one committing atrocities under their flag in 10 years time, then you might be right. But at the moment you are completely wrong. how are you having a prophetic argument about something that happened last week? " I'm sorry, I can't make any sense of your question. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Neville Chamberlain tried talking to the Nazis in the 1930's, then look what happened. ISIS are the new Nazis." agree the only difference hitler was organised, but if isis get in power they would do the same, | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Neville Chamberlain tried talking to the Nazis in the 1930's, then look what happened. ISIS are the new Nazis. agree the only difference hitler was organised, but if isis get in power they would do the same," ISIS are organised, and they are in power, in the areas they control. The main differences are that they do not legally control a nation, they do not enjoy the support of the majority of the populace, and they are not in power through democratic means. These are all hugely significant. Hitler was legitimately made Chancellor of Germany, which is an entirely different position. Trying to compare the Nazis and ISIS, or the threat they represented then and represent to the world today is just ridiculous. | |||
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"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more "David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from? | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?"I agree they are !! What's your point ? | |||
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"Nothing more need be said. When you want to talk about what's happening in the real world, let us know." Well if I'm not in the real world like you then I would rather stay here than join idiotic idealists like yourself would can't see the similarities between Hitlers murder of innocent people and ISIS murder of innocent people. Maybe when you've had one of your family members come home in a body bag you might change your opinions . | |||
"Nothing more need be said. When you want to talk about what's happening in the real world, let us know. Well if I'm not in the real world like you then I would rather stay here than join idiotic idealists like yourself would can't see the similarities between Hitlers murder of innocent people and ISIS murder of innocent people. Maybe when you've had one of your family members come home in a body bag you might change your opinions . " You have listed all the similarities - murders of innocent people. Here's some more things ISIS is like, according to you: Ted Bundy Fred and Rosemary West Ian Sutcliffe It's odd though, with the above you are suggesting that you don't like Hitler or ISIS. But if you think that Cameron, Putin, Obama and Hollande are 'liberal do gooders' as you put it, then presumably you would far prefer a government run by someone like Hitler, or the people who control ISIS. They are neither liberal, or do gooders. It's confusing! | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?"Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all. | |||
"Nothing more need be said. When you want to talk about what's happening in the real world, let us know. Well if I'm not in the real world like you then I would rather stay here than join idiotic idealists like yourself would can't see the similarities between Hitlers murder of innocent people and ISIS murder of innocent people. Maybe when you've had one of your family members come home in a body bag you might change your opinions . You have listed all the similarities - murders of innocent people. Here's some more things ISIS is like, according to you: Ted Bundy Fred and Rosemary West Ian Sutcliffe It's odd though, with the above you are suggesting that you don't like Hitler or ISIS. But if you think that Cameron, Putin, Obama and Hollande are 'liberal do gooders' as you put it, then presumably you would far prefer a government run by someone like Hitler, or the people who control ISIS. They are neither liberal, or do gooders. It's confusing!" | |||
"For people interested in understanding the real motivations of people in ISIS rather than simply echoing the Britain First 72 virgins line, this is a great article from someone who has actually interviewed ISIS captives: http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/" I found that very interesting and strangely found some comfort and hope in it. Thanks for posting | |||
"Nothing more need be said. When you want to talk about what's happening in the real world, let us know. Well if I'm not in the real world like you then I would rather stay here than join idiotic idealists like yourself would can't see the similarities between Hitlers murder of innocent people and ISIS murder of innocent people. Maybe when you've had one of your family members come home in a body bag you might change your opinions . You have listed all the similarities - murders of innocent people. Here's some more things ISIS is like, according to you: Ted Bundy Fred and Rosemary West Ian Sutcliffe It's odd though, with the above you are suggesting that you don't like Hitler or ISIS. But if you think that Cameron, Putin, Obama and Hollande are 'liberal do gooders' as you put it, then presumably you would far prefer a government run by someone like Hitler, or the people who control ISIS. They are neither liberal, or do gooders. It's confusing!" I posted other similarities between isis and the nazis earlier in the thread which you conveniently skipped over. Then you said you didn't quote that part of my comment because you agreed with it. Then you later said comparing the two was ridiculous? Tbf your posts seem confusing. | |||
"Nothing more need be said. When you want to talk about what's happening in the real world, let us know. Well if I'm not in the real world like you then I would rather stay here than join idiotic idealists like yourself would can't see the similarities between Hitlers murder of innocent people and ISIS murder of innocent people. Maybe when you've had one of your family members come home in a body bag you might change your opinions . You have listed all the similarities - murders of innocent people. Here's some more things ISIS is like, according to you: Ted Bundy Fred and Rosemary West Ian Sutcliffe It's odd though, with the above you are suggesting that you don't like Hitler or ISIS. But if you think that Cameron, Putin, Obama and Hollande are 'liberal do gooders' as you put it, then presumably you would far prefer a government run by someone like Hitler, or the people who control ISIS. They are neither liberal, or do gooders. It's confusing! I posted other similarities between isis and the nazis earlier in the thread which you conveniently skipped over. Then you said you didn't quote that part of my comment because you agreed with it. Then you later said comparing the two was ridiculous? Tbf your posts seem confusing. " I didn't elucidate on that because honestly, what is the point? Those similarities exist only if you view them in the most superficial way. If you are resolutely refusing to acknowledge the glaring differences between the two in favour of some superficial ones, there is no discussion to be had. That is definitely not the part of your post I agreed with. I was in fact referring to Japan capitulating due to force. | |||
"just seen on bbc news 2 gunmen have took hostages in Mali hotel .... 170 @ radison blu "prepare for the influx of a blinkered ignorant nation still not changing their french flag avatar to something that recognises the suffering of other nations that apparently don't matter | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?
Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all. "its all that getting back to nature he does.. rumour has it he like to hug trees.. | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?
Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all.
its all that getting back to nature he does..
rumour has it he like to hug trees.."when your actualy proven to be wrong you make out like the other side are crazy. pretty sad really. | |||
"just seen on bbc news 2 gunmen have took hostages in Mali hotel .... 170 @ radison blu prepare for the influx of a blinkered ignorant nation still not changing their french flag avatar to something that recognises the suffering of other nations that apparently don't matter "Yeah I think alot of people are completely missing the point of the French flag thing, it's not just about paying respect to the closest European country to ours, it's also paying respect to all those lost to the terrorists, and it's a show of being United together. And a big fuck you to terrorism everywhere. Together we are strong. | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?
Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all.
its all that getting back to nature he does..
rumour has it he like to hug trees..
when your actualy proven to be wrong you make out like the other side are crazy. pretty sad really. "care to clarify just what your talking about or is it your normal trip, trap, trop modus operandi..? | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?
Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all.
its all that getting back to nature he does..
rumour has it he like to hug trees..
when your actualy proven to be wrong you make out like the other side are crazy. pretty sad really.
care to clarify just what your talking about or is it your normal trip, trap, trop modus operandi..?"perfect example, well done. | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?
Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all.
its all that getting back to nature he does..
rumour has it he like to hug trees..
when your actualy proven to be wrong you make out like the other side are crazy. pretty sad really.
care to clarify just what your talking about or is it your normal trip, trap, trop modus operandi..?
perfect example, well done. "yep.. you failed to clarify.. hey ho eh ricky.. | |||
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"This shit has being going on for years. Bring it to your doorsteps and people are suddenly interested and predicting WW3. I do wish people could spot the media manipulation here. People are much easier to control and guide when they're scared. Want to go to bomb Syria but you can't get it through parliament ? Drag every bit of naughty muslim news you can to the minds of the masses and you suddenly have approval. Job done. Just saying "Yep! I agree with that. | |||
"..... We are all fed up with it, the people will only be pushed so far! Ban religion from being taught outside of the home. Then we as humans will progress, best not to sympathise with factions as they are part of the whole issue. "Therein speaks a modern day Crusader and Empire builder. You want to impose your will on the rest of the world. No can do. This is one of the biggest causes of conflicts in the world. Nobody likes to be told what they can/cant do. The world has moved on. We need global education. | |||
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"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more "What is your answer? Before you do answer - just research where in the world Islamist extremists are operating and imagine going to war in all those different countries. Daesh in Iraq and Syria are flavour of the month but bombing them out of Syria and Iraq will not make them go away, nor will it change their minds about what they want. Al Quieda did not need territory or their own state in order to murder 3,000+ Americans. This war is going to be about the modernisation of Islam and challenging the extremist narrative. At the moment the Jihadists are winning that war because we are proving their narrative that the west hates Muslims to be true. The world has to challenge Islam and bing it into the 21st Century then we can get back to killing each other for more traditional reasons! | |||
"I deleted two close family members on facebook..my dad posted that we should nuke the whole isis state.......I'm yet to respond... but I remember him telling me when I was young about the horror of Hiroshima.. now it seems perfectly logical to him to condone a mass bombing(even nuking!?)..highlighted with a britian first bombing jet pic......." Have you seen the picture from Sinjar in Syria after it was liberated by the Peshmergar? 200,000 people used to live there and now it is a pile of rubble and rotting corpses. Most of the population ran away from the Daesh and some may well be already in Europe seeking safety. I cant ever see that place being rebuilt again. | |||
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"..... We are all fed up with it, the people will only be pushed so far! Ban religion from being taught outside of the home. Then we as humans will progress, best not to sympathise with factions as they are part of the whole issue.
Therein speaks a modern day Crusader and Empire builder. You want to impose your will on the rest of the world. No can do. This is one of the biggest causes of conflicts in the world. Nobody likes to be told what they can/cant do.
The world has moved on. We need global education."it helps to put a smiley face at the end so people know your joking | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ?" Glad someone else can see the fucking issue, the blindingly obvious 'wake up and smell the rotting corpses' It isn't a race issue, there are muslims of all races and colours. This foul mediaeval religion promises so much to those who have nothing. Muslim leaders and communities need to stand up and shout "This is not in our name and we do not support it" Do they? do they fuck. There are ways to deal with this but no government or organisation will contemplate it for fear of 'offending' More offensive than slaughtering hundreds/thousands in the name of allah? | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? Glad someone else can see the fucking issue, the blindingly obvious 'wake up and smell the rotting corpses' It isn't a race issue, there are muslims of all races and colours. This foul mediaeval religion promises so much to those who have nothing. Muslim leaders and communities need to stand up and shout "This is not in our name and we do not support it" Do they? do they fuck. There are ways to deal with this but no government or organisation will contemplate it for fear of 'offending' More offensive than slaughtering hundreds/thousands in the name of allah?" your wrong on your assumption that the barbarity that is the IS is not being condemned openly and publicly by members of the muslim faith and its leaders.. they did so after Lee Rigby, Alan Hennings and after every atrocity committed by the clearly dangerous minority of those perverting what they the majority peacefully live by as members of our society.. and innocent muslims have been killed also by the terrorists.. | |||
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"What we need is a good old fashioned alien invasion! Simultaneously uniting man kind and proving most of the organised religions wrong. "I choose the aliens over this chimpmuthafucka race..as long as they like threesomes,orgies,parties and free love. | |||
"What we need is a good old fashioned alien invasion! Simultaneously uniting man kind and proving most of the organised religions wrong.
I choose the aliens over this chimpmuthafucka race..as long as they like threesomes,orgies,parties and free love."dunno what about the probing aliens do hmmm | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? Glad someone else can see the fucking issue, the blindingly obvious 'wake up and smell the rotting corpses' It isn't a race issue, there are muslims of all races and colours. This foul mediaeval religion promises so much to those who have nothing. Muslim leaders and communities need to stand up and shout "This is not in our name and we do not support it" Do they? do they fuck. There are ways to deal with this but no government or organisation will contemplate it for fear of 'offending' More offensive than slaughtering hundreds/thousands in the name of allah?" Surprised you didn't see this as it was in the Daily Mail. Or maybe Britain First didn't cover it in their news section? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323372/Paris-terror-attacks-British-Muslim-groups-advert-unreservedly-condemning-violence.html It's worth remembering that just because something didn't happen in your front room, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. | |||
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"What we need is a good old fashioned alien invasion! Simultaneously uniting man kind and proving most of the organised religions wrong.
I choose the aliens over this chimpmuthafucka race..as long as they like threesomes,orgies,parties and free love.
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what about the probing aliens do hmmm"aliens love anal squirt juice..ive been abducted after a curry...and they keep doing it...just as im having a big curry crap! | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? That is the crux of the issue. This war needs to be fought differently and cannot be won by bombs and bullets (alone). The extremist narratives have to be challenged and that can only be achieved by the rest of the world - including the 1.6 billion non violent Muslims - undertaking a massive electronic attack on the messages coming from the extremists. Christianity went through a period of enlightenment and Islam has yet to do this. At one time Islam gave the planet the greatest scientists and scholars but unfortunately modern science is disproving many fundamental Islamic (and all religions) principles and Islam is at a crossroads in its evolution. The world now has to force a period of enlightenment on Islam and vocally challenge the clearly nonsensical narrative that is fueling the extremist ideology. By simply bombing and shooting them, we only feed their narrative that the west hates Muslims. Just look at this thread and almost every other news site and social media forum - we are doing exactly what the maniacs want - we are hating Muslims and that is delivering a victory to the terrorists." Just to say - I've noticed your posts on other social/political matters. I've not agreed with them sometimes, but I've respected them as they are cogent and well argued. I think the post I've quoted is exceptional though. The only thing I'd add is the talk of WW3 is fanciful. Dangerous times....yes, but this is a completely different thing. Talk to people who lived through the early 1960s when wmthr world was the push of button away from destruction. These are horrible times, but compared to what previous generations lived through? Finally, never forget that Muslims have suffered more than anyone at the hand of these maniacs. I never thought I'd say this, but anyone see George Galloway on This Week yesterday? His analysis was excellent and you could see Andrew Neil, Liz Kendall and Portillo being a bit taken aback by his words. | |||
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"i know just woke up thought i was having nightmare barely over a week since Paris ... ww3 soon i think I personally feel we're already in ww3. indeed but i mean official where its declared...constription etc " Against who? Isis is hardly a conscription level event plus we'd have to rwgonise them as a state first So far they've pissed off half the middle east, Europe, America, Russia and just this week China by killing some Chinese hostages. | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? Glad someone else can see the fucking issue, the blindingly obvious 'wake up and smell the rotting corpses' It isn't a race issue, there are muslims of all races and colours. This foul mediaeval religion promises so much to those who have nothing. Muslim leaders and communities need to stand up and shout "This is not in our name and we do not support it" Do they? do they fuck. There are ways to deal with this but no government or organisation will contemplate it for fear of 'offending' More offensive than slaughtering hundreds/thousands in the name of allah?" Spot on | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? Glad someone else can see the fucking issue, the blindingly obvious 'wake up and smell the rotting corpses' It isn't a race issue, there are muslims of all races and colours. This foul mediaeval religion promises so much to those who have nothing. Muslim leaders and communities need to stand up and shout "This is not in our name and we do not support it" Do they? do they fuck. There are ways to deal with this but no government or organisation will contemplate it for fear of 'offending' More offensive than slaughtering hundreds/thousands in the name of allah? Surprised you didn't see this as it was in the Daily Mail. Or maybe Britain First didn't cover it in their news section? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3323372/Paris-terror-attacks-British-Muslim-groups-advert-unreservedly-condemning-violence.html It's worth remembering that just because something didn't happen in your front room, that doesn't mean it didn't happen." As you seem to be pissing everyone off on here can I refer you to the OP , and given that since it was posted 27 people have been murdered , can you enlighten everyone on how you would have prevented that happening? | |||
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"No. Now it's your turn." you can I explained it to you earlier. come on speak up. | |||
"No. Now it's your turn." As I thought . Loads of theory and philosophy, but fuck all stomach to deal with what's in front of us. Chamberlain vs Churchill springs to mind ! | |||
"No. Now it's your turn. As I thought . Loads of theory and philosophy, but fuck all stomach to deal with what's in front of us. Chamberlain vs Churchill springs to mind ! " I'm wise enough to know that there is no simple answer, which is quite different. We're all still waiting to find out how you would have prevented it, though. Go ahead, we're all ears. Try to express yourself without swearing too, it isn't helping your case at all. | |||
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"No. Now it's your turn. As I thought . Loads of theory and philosophy, but fuck all stomach to deal with what's in front of us. Chamberlain vs Churchill springs to mind ! " Yeah we should go in with full for I mean it worked perfectly for; The Russians in Afghanistan, the Americans in Vietnam Us in Afghanistan Us in Iraq. Absolutely no way it can fail! | |||
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"No. Now it's your turn. As I thought . Loads of theory and philosophy, but fuck all stomach to deal with what's in front of us. Chamberlain vs Churchill springs to mind ! I'm wise enough to know that there is no simple answer, which is quite different. We're all still waiting to find out how you would have prevented it, though. Go ahead, we're all ears. Try to express yourself without swearing too, it isn't helping your case at all." reports I've read..they know the suspected terrorists..possibly monitored for a few years. make of that what you will...all it says to me is...there is more happening than we are aware...baying for blood isnt my thing. as my dad said..bomb(NUKE!) the whole isis state..which fluummoxes me beyond belief . | |||
"No. Now it's your turn. As I thought . Loads of theory and philosophy, but fuck all stomach to deal with what's in front of us. Chamberlain vs Churchill springs to mind ! I'm wise enough to know that there is no simple answer, which is quite different. We're all still waiting to find out how you would have prevented it, though. Go ahead, we're all ears. Try to express yourself without swearing too, it isn't helping your case at all. reports I've read..they know the suspected terrorists..possibly monitored for a few years. make of that what you will...all it says to me is...there is more happening than we are aware...baying for blood isnt my thing. as my dad said..bomb(NUKE!) the whole isis state..which fluummoxes me beyond belief ." They're aware of them they eon a list but there isn't the resources to monitor them all constantly. So the ones who get monitored the most are the ones who aren't best at being covert they get picked up and tracked and prevented the ones who are good at hiding it get knocked down the list of important targets because as far as survailence says they aren't doing anything. | |||
"No. Now it's your turn. As I thought . Loads of theory and philosophy, but fuck all stomach to deal with what's in front of us. Chamberlain vs Churchill springs to mind ! I'm wise enough to know that there is no simple answer, which is quite different. We're all still waiting to find out how you would have prevented it, though. Go ahead, we're all ears. Try to express yourself without swearing too, it isn't helping your case at all. reports I've read..they know the suspected terrorists..possibly monitored for a few years. make of that what you will...all it says to me is...there is more happening than we are aware...baying for blood isnt my thing. as my dad said..bomb(NUKE!) the whole isis state..which fluummoxes me beyond belief . They're aware of them they eon a list but there isn't the resources to monitor them all constantly. So the ones who get monitored the most are the ones who aren't best at being covert they get picked up and tracked and prevented the ones who are good at hiding it get knocked down the list of important targets because as far as survailence says they aren't doing anything." so since september the 11th 2001..they arent really keeping a track of extremism....but wait till it happens... it all sounds HIGHLY fucking iffy to me...maybe these folk are cleverer than the FBI etc at coordinating their efforts...really strange..being people from a much less tech advanced nation(s). | |||
"No. Now it's your turn. As I thought . Loads of theory and philosophy, but fuck all stomach to deal with what's in front of us. Chamberlain vs Churchill springs to mind ! I'm wise enough to know that there is no simple answer, which is quite different. We're all still waiting to find out how you would have prevented it, though. Go ahead, we're all ears. Try to express yourself without swearing too, it isn't helping your case at all. reports I've read..they know the suspected terrorists..possibly monitored for a few years. make of that what you will...all it says to me is...there is more happening than we are aware...baying for blood isnt my thing. as my dad said..bomb(NUKE!) the whole isis state..which fluummoxes me beyond belief . They're aware of them they eon a list but there isn't the resources to monitor them all constantly. So the ones who get monitored the most are the ones who aren't best at being covert they get picked up and tracked and prevented the ones who are good at hiding it get knocked down the list of important targets because as far as survailence says they aren't doing anything. so since september the 11th 2001..they arent really keeping a track of extremism....but wait till it happens... it all sounds HIGHLY fucking iffy to me...maybe these folk are cleverer than the FBI etc at coordinating their efforts...really strange..being people from a much less tech advanced nation(s)." No... they are keeping track of extremists but when your list is 1000's of people long and you have the resources to survail say 300 closely and 700 partially you go for the ones you think are the biggest threat don't you? Now the one who's communications you've got monitored and you are hearing about them discussing a an attack they go on the close list. The guy who is eluding that and all your monitoring is him posting on jihadist forums complaining about the west well he's just a keyboard warrior and goes down to less intensive survailence but he's been say meeting in the back room of a mosque with a group of other people and planning there You catch the first guy before he carries out his attack, you know about the second but it comes as a surprise when his his body parts your picking up after a bombing. | |||
"No. Now it's your turn. As I thought . Loads of theory and philosophy, but fuck all stomach to deal with what's in front of us. Chamberlain vs Churchill springs to mind ! I'm wise enough to know that there is no simple answer, which is quite different. We're all still waiting to find out how you would have prevented it, though. Go ahead, we're all ears. Try to express yourself without swearing too, it isn't helping your case at all. reports I've read..they know the suspected terrorists..possibly monitored for a few years. make of that what you will...all it says to me is...there is more happening than we are aware...baying for blood isnt my thing. as my dad said..bomb(NUKE!) the whole isis state..which fluummoxes me beyond belief . They're aware of them they eon a list but there isn't the resources to monitor them all constantly. So the ones who get monitored the most are the ones who aren't best at being covert they get picked up and tracked and prevented the ones who are good at hiding it get knocked down the list of important targets because as far as survailence says they aren't doing anything. so since september the 11th 2001..they arent really keeping a track of extremism....but wait till it happens... it all sounds HIGHLY fucking iffy to me...maybe these folk are cleverer than the FBI etc at coordinating their efforts...really strange..being people from a much less tech advanced nation(s). No... they are keeping track of extremists but when your list is 1000's of people long and you have the resources to survail say 300 closely and 700 partially you go for the ones you think are the biggest threat don't you? Now the one who's communications you've got monitored and you are hearing about them discussing a an attack they go on the close list. The guy who is eluding that and all your monitoring is him posting on jihadist forums complaining about the west well he's just a keyboard warrior and goes down to less intensive survailence but he's been say meeting in the back room of a mosque with a group of other people and planning there You catch the first guy before he carries out his attack, you know about the second but it comes as a surprise when his his body parts your picking up after a bombing. " if i link one extremist to another..i might see a pattern of converging behaviour..increased chat, hidden code words yadda yadda...I'm not saying its 'easy' I'm saying before we start some campaign we all regret, our intelligence must be upped....all I've really seen is peoples response is 'bomb the lot of em'...is this the wanted response?...we alreeady know that people in this region have been fleeing the area(hence refugees/asylum seekers), so the answer is to bomb whats been bombed?.. sounds to me like destabalizing a mass area,and then rebuilding it, controlling its resources...after all..we cant really do it to the saudi areas as theres too much investment and prospect already there.. all am saying is i fear people are being killed ,people are being manipulated, and failure to understand this might just not be a religious war...but something more orchestrated and probably nothing to do with religious ideals or morality from which ever spectrum its coming from. *just to note I care for no cause..it might sound like I'd rather bury my head in the sand, but I will not allow myself to jump to irrational thoughts/actions...because I seen something or someone looked like they might have done something i seen terroristy ...or just generally think that one group of people have it in for us...or believe they wanna milk us for everything we got. I've even stopped taking my rucksack to work*public travel buses/trains)..irrationally fearing too many looks | |||
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"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us." I have an answer, unfortunately the only answer. Conversely you seem to have every answer, for which I'm eternal grateful. Could you do the entire world a favour and get yourself over there chop chop and sort it out for us please. Much appreciated. The world. | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?
Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all.
its all that getting back to nature he does..
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"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Which fuckers? These particular people are NOT the same people that attacked Paris. As it happens Mali has been in a terrorist struggle with AQIM for a while but our media has largely ignored it. These people are Islamist fanatics like ISIS but are part of the broader Al Quieda coalition who actually are enemies of ISIS in Iraq and Syria. The only connection that all of these atrocities have is that the organisers are using religion as a rallying message. " I gather Mali is on the list of places you definitely don't want to go for your summer holidays! | |||
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"Media tells you only what they want you to no,so if your buying into it all,your helping those who kill ,as its all about publicity,lets face it to kill for oil,or religion is ridiculous. But its got you lot bitching at each other,see how controlling madia is ????" So if the media stopped reporting acts of terror, acts of terror would stop? The media is reporting what is happening. What's ridiculous to you or I isn't ridiculous for someone else. We need to stop trying to find a solution by judging by our own standards and values. I have high regard for my own life and the lives of others. Not everyone thinks the same as me. My logic and solutions only work with someone who shares my moral compass. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. I have an answer, unfortunately the only answer. Conversely you seem to have every answer, for which I'm eternal grateful. Could you do the entire world a favour and get yourself over there chop chop and sort it out for us please. Much appreciated. The world." I see that you still aren't able to articulate what the answer you claim you have is. Please, enlighten us all! The leaders of the free world are desperate for an answer, as none of their many highly educated and informed advisors have been able to come up with one. I know it's not 100% guaranteed that they are reading Fab forums, but as they almost certainly are scooping up the data, please be explicit with what the markoh solution is. It may just be seen. The world needs you! | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. I have an answer, unfortunately the only answer. Conversely you seem to have every answer, for which I'm eternal grateful. Could you do the entire world a favour and get yourself over there chop chop and sort it out for us please. Much appreciated. The world. I see that you still aren't able to articulate what the answer you claim you have is. Please, enlighten us all! The leaders of the free world are desperate for an answer, as none of their many highly educated and informed advisors have been able to come up with one. I know it's not 100% guaranteed that they are reading Fab forums, but as they almost certainly are scooping up the data, please be explicit with what the markoh solution is. It may just be seen. The world needs you!" chat shit, get proved wrong then descend the thread to personal bitching attacks. you never get tired of this? | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. I have an answer, unfortunately the only answer. Conversely you seem to have every answer, for which I'm eternal grateful. Could you do the entire world a favour and get yourself over there chop chop and sort it out for us please. Much appreciated. The world. I see that you still aren't able to articulate what the answer you claim you have is. Please, enlighten us all! The leaders of the free world are desperate for an answer, as none of their many highly educated and informed advisors have been able to come up with one. I know it's not 100% guaranteed that they are reading Fab forums, but as they almost certainly are scooping up the data, please be explicit with what the markoh solution is. It may just be seen. The world needs you! chat shit, get proved wrong then descend the thread to personal bitching attacks. you never get tired of this? " The only person who has made any personal bitching attacks in this thread is you, _icky999. Your words are above. You've presumably done so because you are sore at having been shown to have no real knowledge about the situation, repeatedly. I understand why you feel so sore about it, but trying to pretend that others are doing what you are doing yourself is childish, and simply clogs up the thread for those of us who wish to discuss the situation like adults. No-one is forcing you to contribute to this thread. On the other hand, if you'd like to discuss this rationally, I welcome any contributions you wish to make. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. I have an answer, unfortunately the only answer. Conversely you seem to have every answer, for which I'm eternal grateful. Could you do the entire world a favour and get yourself over there chop chop and sort it out for us please. Much appreciated. The world. I see that you still aren't able to articulate what the answer you claim you have is. Please, enlighten us all! The leaders of the free world are desperate for an answer, as none of their many highly educated and informed advisors have been able to come up with one. I know it's not 100% guaranteed that they are reading Fab forums, but as they almost certainly are scooping up the data, please be explicit with what the markoh solution is. It may just be seen. The world needs you! chat shit, get proved wrong then descend the thread to personal bitching attacks. you never get tired of this? The only person who has made any personal bitching attacks in this thread is you, _icky999. Your words are above. You've presumably done so because you are sore at having been shown to have no real knowledge about the situation, repeatedly. I understand why you feel so sore about it, but trying to pretend that others are doing what you are doing yourself is childish, and simply clogs up the thread for those of us who wish to discuss the situation like adults. No-one is forcing you to contribute to this thread. On the other hand, if you'd like to discuss this rationally, I welcome any contributions you wish to make." "You've presumably done so because you are sore at having been shown to have no real knowledge about the situation, repeatedly." That's rich coming from you . You can't have a rational debate with you because you can't handle being disagreed with and to call him childish is like the pot calling the kettle black. It's clear you don't feel that tough, brutal uncompromising action against the people murdering people's sons, daughters , mothers and fathers is the solution. So once again as I asked you last night ( or had you forgotten! ) and you went all quiet LOL. How would you stop the next 20,30,70,150 innocent people being murdered? We are all fucking ears ! | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. I have an answer, unfortunately the only answer. Conversely you seem to have every answer, for which I'm eternal grateful. Could you do the entire world a favour and get yourself over there chop chop and sort it out for us please. Much appreciated. The world. I see that you still aren't able to articulate what the answer you claim you have is. Please, enlighten us all! The leaders of the free world are desperate for an answer, as none of their many highly educated and informed advisors have been able to come up with one. I know it's not 100% guaranteed that they are reading Fab forums, but as they almost certainly are scooping up the data, please be explicit with what the markoh solution is. It may just be seen. The world needs you! chat shit, get proved wrong then descend the thread to personal bitching attacks. you never get tired of this? The only person who has made any personal bitching attacks in this thread is you, _icky999. Your words are above. You've presumably done so because you are sore at having been shown to have no real knowledge about the situation, repeatedly. I understand why you feel so sore about it, but trying to pretend that others are doing what you are doing yourself is childish, and simply clogs up the thread for those of us who wish to discuss the situation like adults. No-one is forcing you to contribute to this thread. On the other hand, if you'd like to discuss this rationally, I welcome any contributions you wish to make. "You've presumably done so because you are sore at having been shown to have no real knowledge about the situation, repeatedly." That's rich coming from you . You can't have a rational debate with you because you can't handle being disagreed with and to call him childish is like the pot calling the kettle black. It's clear you don't feel that tough, brutal uncompromising action against the people murdering people's sons, daughters , mothers and fathers is the solution. So once again as I asked you last night ( or had you forgotten! ) and you went all quiet LOL. How would you stop the next 20,30,70,150 innocent people being murdered? We are all fucking ears ! "On the contrary, everything I have posted has been based on fact, and referenced in fact. I stated yesterday that I don't have the answer to your question. So you got your answer, twice. It you just didn't read it. Twice. I've now answered for a third time: I do not know. As you seem dismissive of that, I also asked you what your solution was, which you have avoided answering, twice. I'll ask you again, what would your solution have been to prevent the 27 people who were murdered in Mali from being murdered? What would you have done? Taking 'tough, brutal, uncompromising action' is not an answer to that question, by the way. They are just empty words. They have no meaning, without explaining precisely what 'tough, brutal uncompromising action' specifically means, and how it would have prevented the hostage situation yesterday from happening. And please stop using swear words when you are posting to me, I find it very offensive. | |||
"Don't panic!!! Jeremy Corbyn has sent 2 policemen to have them arrested !! Seriously though, this is getting out of hand and these fuckers need dealing with with or without a UN mandate Better idea send Corbyn in himself. As he often calls terrorists 'friends' maybe he can test out his theory of talking to these people without the use of non lethal force? See how far he gets with it? Maybe he'll get as far as he did in Northern Ireland...you know, by helping peace be achieved. Different terrorists, different agenda, different language, different religious ideology, different value placed on human life. Different strategy needed. What strategy do you suggest? If you have one please get yourself over to David Cameron or Barak Obama quicksmart, because neither of them currently have one. Other than bombing them, which hasn't worked...and has demonstrably made things worse for us. I have an answer, unfortunately the only answer. Conversely you seem to have every answer, for which I'm eternal grateful. Could you do the entire world a favour and get yourself over there chop chop and sort it out for us please. Much appreciated. The world. I see that you still aren't able to articulate what the answer you claim you have is. Please, enlighten us all! The leaders of the free world are desperate for an answer, as none of their many highly educated and informed advisors have been able to come up with one. I know it's not 100% guaranteed that they are reading Fab forums, but as they almost certainly are scooping up the data, please be explicit with what the markoh solution is. It may just be seen. The world needs you! chat shit, get proved wrong then descend the thread to personal bitching attacks. you never get tired of this? The only person who has made any personal bitching attacks in this thread is you, _icky999. Your words are above. You've presumably done so because you are sore at having been shown to have no real knowledge about the situation, repeatedly. I understand why you feel so sore about it, but trying to pretend that others are doing what you are doing yourself is childish, and simply clogs up the thread for those of us who wish to discuss the situation like adults. No-one is forcing you to contribute to this thread. On the other hand, if you'd like to discuss this rationally, I welcome any contributions you wish to make. "You've presumably done so because you are sore at having been shown to have no real knowledge about the situation, repeatedly." That's rich coming from you . You can't have a rational debate with you because you can't handle being disagreed with and to call him childish is like the pot calling the kettle black. It's clear you don't feel that tough, brutal uncompromising action against the people murdering people's sons, daughters , mothers and fathers is the solution. So once again as I asked you last night ( or had you forgotten! ) and you went all quiet LOL. How would you stop the next 20,30,70,150 innocent people being murdered? We are all fucking ears ! "The point being is that who do you intend to aim this tough uncompromising action at and where do you intend to do it? The people who conducted the attack in Mali (which I think is what this thread is about) are not the same group that attacked Paris indeed they are actually enemies of each other. Where will you pursue your action? In Mali, Nigeria, Kenya, Libya, Somalia, Eritrea, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, China, Phillipines? Where exactly and which group are you going to attack? | |||
"just seen on bbc news 2 gunmen have took hostages in Mali hotel .... 170 @ radison blu prepare for the influx of a blinkered ignorant nation still not changing their french flag avatar to something that recognises the suffering of other nations that apparently don't matter
Yeah I think alot of people are completely missing the point of the French flag thing, it's not just about paying respect to the closest European country to ours, it's also paying respect to all those lost to the terrorists, and it's a show of being United together.
And a big fuck you to terrorism everywhere.
Together we are strong.
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"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? That is the crux of the issue. This war needs to be fought differently and cannot be won by bombs and bullets (alone). The extremist narratives have to be challenged and that can only be achieved by the rest of the world - including the 1.6 billion non violent Muslims - undertaking a massive electronic attack on the messages coming from the extremists. Christianity went through a period of enlightenment and Islam has yet to do this. At one time Islam gave the planet the greatest scientists and scholars but unfortunately modern science is disproving many fundamental Islamic (and all religions) principles and Islam is at a crossroads in its evolution. The world now has to force a period of enlightenment on Islam and vocally challenge the clearly nonsensical narrative that is fueling the extremist ideology. By simply bombing and shooting them, we only feed their narrative that the west hates Muslims. Just look at this thread and almost every other news site and social media forum - we are doing exactly what the maniacs want - we are hating Muslims and that is delivering a victory to the terrorists." In essence you're right, and I agree with your last paragraph, and a solution needs to come from within the Muslim population, only I don't believe what you said in your previous paragraphs would work either... So, it ends up coming back to square one, but, using the full might of an international military effort to eradicate these psychos once and for all. Eventually, someone may need to push the button on another Hiroshima/Nagasaki, with the inevitable collateral damage being unavoidable. | |||
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"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? That is the crux of the issue. This war needs to be fought differently and cannot be won by bombs and bullets (alone). The extremist narratives have to be challenged and that can only be achieved by the rest of the world - including the 1.6 billion non violent Muslims - undertaking a massive electronic attack on the messages coming from the extremists. Christianity went through a period of enlightenment and Islam has yet to do this. At one time Islam gave the planet the greatest scientists and scholars but unfortunately modern science is disproving many fundamental Islamic (and all religions) principles and Islam is at a crossroads in its evolution. The world now has to force a period of enlightenment on Islam and vocally challenge the clearly nonsensical narrative that is fueling the extremist ideology. By simply bombing and shooting them, we only feed their narrative that the west hates Muslims. Just look at this thread and almost every other news site and social media forum - we are doing exactly what the maniacs want - we are hating Muslims and that is delivering a victory to the terrorists. In essence you're right, and I agree with your last paragraph, and a solution needs to come from within the Muslim population, only I don't believe what you said in your previous paragraphs would work either... So, it ends up coming back to square one, but, using the full might of an international military effort to eradicate these psychos once and for all. Eventually, someone may need to push the button on another Hiroshima/Nagasaki, with the inevitable collateral damage being unavoidable. " So millions of innocents should die, because a couple of hundred people were murdered by terrorists? Seems a trifle inhuman, no? | |||
"It's ironic that Iraq and Syria seemed more stable before western countries got involved with saddam Hussain and Gaddafi in charge all over oil. Before the 1st gulf war there was no al qaeda or isis. Maybe the western governments should start to take some blame for all this." The sectarianism that exists in the region goes right back to the division of land by Western powers after the First World War. So yes, they should take some blame. If not all. | |||
"This religion which is the common denominator - which promises such delights as a room full of young virgins and eternal paradise to those who die in the cause - is surely wrong . Those who promote this rite of passage need to be taught the error of their propaganda to the vulnerable . Every person promoting this should be shown how wrong they are . Quite how , I really don't know , but doing nothing isn't working . Still thousands of youngsters take up arms believing they will ensure their place in paradise should they die , each and every day . How do we deal with that ? That is the crux of the issue. This war needs to be fought differently and cannot be won by bombs and bullets (alone). The extremist narratives have to be challenged and that can only be achieved by the rest of the world - including the 1.6 billion non violent Muslims - undertaking a massive electronic attack on the messages coming from the extremists. Christianity went through a period of enlightenment and Islam has yet to do this. At one time Islam gave the planet the greatest scientists and scholars but unfortunately modern science is disproving many fundamental Islamic (and all religions) principles and Islam is at a crossroads in its evolution. The world now has to force a period of enlightenment on Islam and vocally challenge the clearly nonsensical narrative that is fueling the extremist ideology. By simply bombing and shooting them, we only feed their narrative that the west hates Muslims. Just look at this thread and almost every other news site and social media forum - we are doing exactly what the maniacs want - we are hating Muslims and that is delivering a victory to the terrorists. In essence you're right, and I agree with your last paragraph, and a solution needs to come from within the Muslim population, only I don't believe what you said in your previous paragraphs would work either... So, it ends up coming back to square one, but, using the full might of an international military effort to eradicate these psychos once and for all. Eventually, someone may need to push the button on another Hiroshima/Nagasaki, with the inevitable collateral damage being unavoidable. So millions of innocents should die, because a couple of hundred people were murdered by terrorists? Seems a trifle inhuman, no?" " a couple of hundred murdered by terrorists " !!! This just shows how out of touch you are love. I won't be posting any further on this thread as it's clear your an ideological liberal hand wringer who if you were in politics would be like a rabbit in a cars headlights the moment you had a difficult and unpopular decision to make. And in answer to your final point to me . Like FUCK will I and I'm glad !!!! | |||
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"If you think you can articulate a solution, go ahead. The problem is that all the people who criticise other people who oppose knee jerk reaction to the problem are ever able to propose themselves is ...action. They don't know what action that is, they don't know how that action should occur, they don't know who that action should be taken against or who should perform that action. What is worst of all is that they do not seem to care how many innocent people will die because of this 'action'...or bombing, because that's what it is. So they are seeking to get revenge for the lives of innocent victims by creating even more innocent victims. But that doesn't seem to matter so much, because the innocent victims here would be in Syria, rather than France.nAnd number in the thousands, rather than the hundreds. As long as someone pays, why does it matter who they are, right? They just want action. Unfortunately a considerate person has to face the thorny problem that saying 'let's take action!' does not make any more sense simply because it's said emotionally, or is prefixed and suffixed by swearing. It's interesting, by the way, that the same people who want 'action' against ISIS murderers often seem to be exactly the same people who don't want us to do anything to help the refugees who are fleeing ISIS murderers. Interesting." its not that interesting really ,nothing much can be done about lunatic people who have been brainwashed by religious fanatics in the same way nothing can be done about governments not doing enough to look after the people of their country and the poverty and abuse they have to suffer ,we all have to get on with it I work in hotels which are mainly manned / staffed by foreigners who are in my experience lovely people but these foreigners are putting British people out of work and that is our government not looking after its citizens xx | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?
Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all.
its all that getting back to nature he does..
rumour has it he like to hug trees..
I don't think Putin has ever hugged a hoodie though. "just shows his spin doctors are smarter than 'our Dave's'.. | |||
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"You still haven't offered any solution yourself. If you don't believe that nothing should be done, what is the something that you think should be done?" its too late to do anything about the terrorists they exist because as I said they've been brainwashed so unless you annihilate them all you can't cure it and the immigration problem is caused by poverty we are deemed to be a country that's a soft touch and that's proven to be the case ,we even saved the latest terrorists from drowning it seems ,turn the other cheek is the way of the world or revenge is sweet perhaps the French government thinks  | |||
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"If you think you can articulate a solution, go ahead. The problem is that all the people who criticise other people who oppose knee jerk reaction to the problem are ever able to propose themselves is ...action. They don't know what action that is, they don't know how that action should occur, they don't know who that action should be taken against or who should perform that action. What is worst of all is that they do not seem to care how many innocent people will die because of this 'action'...or bombing, because that's what it is. So they are seeking to get revenge for the lives of innocent victims by creating even more innocent victims. But that doesn't seem to matter so much, because the innocent victims here would be in Syria, rather than France.nAnd number in the thousands, rather than the hundreds. As long as someone pays, why does it matter who they are, right? They just want action. Unfortunately a considerate person has to face the thorny problem that saying 'let's take action!' does not make any more sense simply because it's said emotionally, or is prefixed and suffixed by swearing. It's interesting, by the way, that the same people who want 'action' against ISIS murderers often seem to be exactly the same people who don't want us to do anything to help the refugees who are fleeing ISIS murderers. Interesting." Actions, how does this grab you? (Although I suspect I know the answer already) Short term and long term solutions. The bombers themselves are a small part of the problem. The cause is the radicals who have twisted, bastardised and perverted a peaceful religion for their own ends. So, cut off the head of the viper. By any means possible. If they are unable to preach hatred they can't spread their poisonous cancerous venom. Education. Teach that there is a different truth to their religion, that's it's not based on murder and terror and killing innocents. The only problem is, education requires two things; time and a willingness and desire to learn. One of these actions doesn't provide and immediate solution. One of these actions isn't entirely to my taste. There is no one size fits all, one answer suits all answer. The subject matter is emotional and evocative. History tells us we can only make peace with those who want it. The rest we have to resist, with every fibre of our being. | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?
Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all.
its all that getting back to nature he does..
rumour has it he like to hug trees..
I don't think Putin has ever hugged a hoodie though.
just shows his spin doctors are smarter than 'our Dave's'.. "Has Putin ever left his kids in the pub? | |||
"the analogy i would use in relation to some of the less than thought about suggestions in relation to the issue is that its like being in a busy public place and someone from behind punches you in the back of the head.. when you turn around and you can't see an obvious attacker you start windmilling about hitting all and sundry.. now you may just may cop your assailant a mighty blow and they wont ever do it again but you will also hit some totally innocent people who guess what will retaliate.. i said on these forums over a year ago that only a global effort which will require ground troops is the way to destroy IS in Iraq and Syria, and yes some said that was not on post Iraq and Afghanistan but we are were we are now due to a lack of coordinated action to wipe them out and deter radicals flocking to join them.. they can't be negotiated with and like a rabid dog the only way is to put them down.. " I'm afraid, much as my heart finds your solution extreme, my head tends to agree.... | |||
"Another 27 dead while the liberal do gooders wring their hands a bit more
David Cameron, Barak Obama, Vladimir Putin and Francois Hollande are liberal do gooders?! Where do you get your news from?
Vladimir Putin described as a liberal do gooder?!! It's official, I've now heard it all.
its all that getting back to nature he does..
rumour has it he like to hug trees..
I don't think Putin has ever hugged a hoodie though.
just shows his spin doctors are smarter than 'our Dave's'..
Has Putin ever left his kids in the pub? "Probably not.'most likely left many as orphans though!! | |||
"the analogy i would use in relation to some of the less than thought about suggestions in relation to the issue is that its like being in a busy public place and someone from behind punches you in the back of the head.. when you turn around and you can't see an obvious attacker you start windmilling about hitting all and sundry.. now you may just may cop your assailant a mighty blow and they wont ever do it again but you will also hit some totally innocent people who guess what will retaliate.. i said on these forums over a year ago that only a global effort which will require ground troops is the way to destroy IS in Iraq and Syria, and yes some said that was not on post Iraq and Afghanistan but we are were we are now due to a lack of coordinated action to wipe them out and deter radicals flocking to join them.. they can't be negotiated with and like a rabid dog the only way is to put them down.. I'm afraid, much as my heart finds your solution extreme, my head tends to agree.... "i share the sentiment but find its the only solution, normally jaw jaw if not perfect puts an end to most conflicts or one side wins etc but i can't see any other way with this lot and that its taken Paris, Mali etc to see this is a sad state.. | |||
"the analogy i would use in relation to some of the less than thought about suggestions in relation to the issue is that its like being in a busy public place and someone from behind punches you in the back of the head.. when you turn around and you can't see an obvious attacker you start windmilling about hitting all and sundry.. now you may just may cop your assailant a mighty blow and they wont ever do it again but you will also hit some totally innocent people who guess what will retaliate.. i said on these forums over a year ago that only a global effort which will require ground troops is the way to destroy IS in Iraq and Syria, and yes some said that was not on post Iraq and Afghanistan but we are were we are now due to a lack of coordinated action to wipe them out and deter radicals flocking to join them.. they can't be negotiated with and like a rabid dog the only way is to put them down.. I'm afraid, much as my heart finds your solution extreme, my head tends to agree....
i share the sentiment but find its the only solution, normally jaw jaw if not perfect puts an end to most conflicts or one side wins etc but i can't see any other way with this lot and that its taken Paris, Mali etc to see this is a sad state.."Although it appears there are two different groups responsible, their strategy is the same. So its double tap time I'm afraid. | |||
