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"How can any one take him serious " He was voted in with a big majority | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority " By about 0.04% of the electorate | |||
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"Seems like a decent man, who's _iews happen to be completely opposite to mine" Do you think his position and _iews pose a risk to our security here in UK ? | |||
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"Seems like a decent man, who's _iews happen to be completely opposite to mine Do you think his position and _iews pose a risk to our security here in UK ? " Sorry I got distracted by the huge cumshot on your profile. He won't ever be in a position of real power so I'm not sure they do. | |||
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"A man of principle who offers something better than the same old things offered by the other political leaders and who once you read what he has actually said, as opposed to the snippet picked by the media, makes a lot of sense. "What do you think of his links to Hamas? | |||
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"Seems like a very genuine person with strong principles. The question is, in these times, who would you prefer......... Churchill or Chamberlain?? " Well, it's not 1939 and ISIS aren't the Nazis. It's a different world and a different kind of threat. Defending ourselves from Nazis did not inspire more Nazis. | |||
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"A man of principle who offers something better than the same old things offered by the other political leaders and who once you read what he has actually said, as opposed to the snippet picked by the media, makes a lot of sense. "This 
He isn't the saviour or anything, but he seems like a step in the right direction.
I bet most of you are glad I can't vote here. 
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"What's the general consensus on what you all think of him ? " I think the man is a complete and utter disgrace. A man who wants to scrap trident and put the security of our country at risk, a man who wants to ignore the democratic will of the Falkland islanders and hand over power sharing to Argentina. A man who is a terrorist sympathiser, thought the death of Osama bin Laden was a tragedy and calls evil groups like Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends'. A man who disrespects the Queen and our national anthem. A man who turns up to memorial services looking scruffy and dishevelled. A man who I think is unelectable and who the majority of the British people will reject. | |||
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"A man of principle who offers something better than the same old things offered by the other political leaders and who once you read what he has actually said, as opposed to the snippet picked by the media, makes a lot of sense. "
I quite like him and think he's a massive step in the right direction. | |||
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"A man of principle who offers something better than the same old things offered by the other political leaders and who once you read what he has actually said, as opposed to the snippet picked by the media, makes a lot of sense.
I quite like him and think he's a massive step in the right direction."Which direction is that then ? | |||
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"Seems like a very genuine person with strong principles. The question is, in these times, who would you prefer......... Churchill or Chamberlain?? Well, it's not 1939 and ISIS aren't the Nazis. It's a different world and a different kind of threat. Defending ourselves from Nazis did not inspire more Nazis." Same shit, different day to be honest. Both the Nazis and IS hate everyone else and want the world to buckle to their rule or die. My point however was to do with the character of the person and making a comparison to the documented weak leadership in the late 1930's. | |||
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"You're only allowed to have principles if they're in tune with the current zeitgeist. Apparently they were bad when Mrs T had them." Every leader has them! The word "Principles" is like the word "quality" - it needs a qualifying word in front of it because there's good quality and shit quality. Hitler had fudging principles, they just happened to be fucking awful ones. | |||
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"Seems like a decent man, who's _iews happen to be completely opposite to mine Do you think his position and _iews pose a risk to our security here in UK ? Sorry I got distracted by the huge cumshot on your profile. He won't ever be in a position of real power so I'm not sure they do." Haha had to have a look. WOW!! What was the question  | |||
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"What's the general consensus on what you all think of him ? I think the man is a complete and utter disgrace. A man who wants to scrap trident and put the security of our country at risk, a man who wants to ignore the democratic will of the Falkland islanders and hand over power sharing to Argentina. A man who is a terrorist sympathiser, thought the death of Osama bin Laden was a tragedy and calls evil groups like Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends'. A man who disrespects the Queen and our national anthem. A man who turns up to memorial services looking scruffy and dishevelled. A man who I think is unelectable and who the majority of the British people will reject. " the trident it just like a big house with a massive mortgage that you can never live so he might not be wrong there | |||
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"What's the general consensus on what you all think of him ? I think the man is a complete and utter disgrace. A man who wants to scrap trident and put the security of our country at risk, a man who wants to ignore the democratic will of the Falkland islanders and hand over power sharing to Argentina. A man who is a terrorist sympathiser, thought the death of Osama bin Laden was a tragedy and calls evil groups like Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends'. A man who disrespects the Queen and our national anthem. A man who turns up to memorial services looking scruffy and dishevelled. A man who I think is unelectable and who the majority of the British people will reject. the trident it just like a big house with a massive mortgage that you can never live so he might not be wrong there" Well it seems a lot of his own Labour MP's disagree with him on trident. | |||
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"Seems like a decent man, who's _iews happen to be completely opposite to mine Do you think his position and _iews pose a risk to our security here in UK ? " I'm not a Labour Voter (now), but for what it's worth Corbyn is no bigger a threat to national security than the current Govt who say we won't get involved in the Middle East one week, then are complicit in drone strikes etc the next. Britain needs a completely fresh & innovative direction from the meddling we've continued for decades carving up the Middle East. I don't feel any safer from attacks on our streets or cyber attack or fiscal instability than I did from any previous Govt since the Iraq War. When will we as a species p from past mistakes? Do I have the solution? No. Do I expect those who put themselves up for election to think of a new approach. Yes, after all that's why they put themselves in line for the job. Just my tuppence worth. No-one has to agree except the politicians we vote for who decide what's best for so called national security. | |||
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"What's the general consensus on what you all think of him ? " I think he would fit in perfectly on this forum, joining the (take an opposing and argumentative _iew to whatever people post) brigade. Didn't really like him before, but has gone down in my estimation after his stance on shoot to kill statement, the other day. But that's my opinion, I am sure someone will be along shortly to take a opposite _iew, nd they are entitled to this _iew. That's the freedom we are fighting for. | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it? "Those on the extreme left have always been anti British. | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it? "British way of life is to tut loudly but never confront in a queue, then spend ages bitching about the situation to his /her partner for the next few hours. Then probably write a snotty but polite email complaining to the management of said establishment. To this end corbyn is very British. | |||
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"What's the general consensus on what you all think of him ? I think the man is a complete and utter disgrace. A man who wants to scrap trident and put the security of our country at risk, a man who wants to ignore the democratic will of the Falkland islanders and hand over power sharing to Argentina. A man who is a terrorist sympathiser, thought the death of Osama bin Laden was a tragedy and calls evil groups like Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends'. A man who disrespects the Queen and our national anthem. A man who turns up to memorial services looking scruffy and dishevelled. A man who I think is unelectable and who the majority of the British people will reject. " Forgot to add his position on the IRA to that post too. If there is an anti British position available to take, it seems Corbyn will embrace it. | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it? "The simple reason you asked the question says it all. | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
The simple reason you asked the question says it all." | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
Those on the extreme left have always been anti British. ""Being British" is an abstract concept, for which people will have different points of _iew. As it happens I am exceptionally proud of being British but probably for very different reasons to yourself. That's ok with me though | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
Those on the extreme left have always been anti British.
"Being British" is an abstract concept, for which people will have different points of _iew.
As it happens I am exceptionally proud of being British but probably for very different reasons to yourself.
That's ok with me though "The right wing always think they have a monopoly on patriotism. | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
Those on the extreme left have always been anti British.
"Being British" is an abstract concept, for which people will have different points of _iew.
As it happens I am exceptionally proud of being British but probably for very different reasons to yourself.
That's ok with me though
The right wing always think they have a monopoly on patriotism. "As do the left for "hand wringing" ! | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
Those on the extreme left have always been anti British.
"Being British" is an abstract concept, for which people will have different points of _iew.
As it happens I am exceptionally proud of being British but probably for very different reasons to yourself.
That's ok with me though
The right wing always think they have a monopoly on patriotism. "Such a dirty word aint it, | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
Those on the extreme left have always been anti British.
"Being British" is an abstract concept, for which people will have different points of _iew.
As it happens I am exceptionally proud of being British but probably for very different reasons to yourself.
That's ok with me though
The right wing always think they have a monopoly on patriotism.
As do the left for "hand wringing" !
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
Those on the extreme left have always been anti British.
"Being British" is an abstract concept, for which people will have different points of _iew.
As it happens I am exceptionally proud of being British but probably for very different reasons to yourself.
That's ok with me though
The right wing always think they have a monopoly on patriotism.
As do the left for "hand wringing" !
Not if the right wing tabloids are any indication "Ah! You read them then? | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
Those on the extreme left have always been anti British.
"Being British" is an abstract concept, for which people will have different points of _iew.
As it happens I am exceptionally proud of being British but probably for very different reasons to yourself.
That's ok with me though
The right wing always think they have a monopoly on patriotism.
As do the left for "hand wringing" !
Not if the right wing tabloids are any indication
Ah! You read them then? " | |||
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"Although I am fiercely cynical about British politics (and politics in general, for that matter), I actually like Corbyn. I approve of his untheatrical style, and his policies are progressive and thought-provoking. Those were the factors that led so many to vote for him to lead Labour. Whether, if given the opportunity, he'd actually be able to make nay changes is another matter. I'd also wish tabloid newspapers would shut the fuck up about him. It seems he can't so much as sneeze without at least one news outlet criticising him. " He should come on here then! Yesterday's Corbyn thread got taken down after 3 posts. He could hide from the big nasty world nicely  | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
Those on the extreme left have always been anti British.
"Being British" is an abstract concept, for which people will have different points of _iew.
As it happens I am exceptionally proud of being British but probably for very different reasons to yourself.
That's ok with me though
The right wing always think they have a monopoly on patriotism.
As do the left for "hand wringing" !
Not if the right wing tabloids are any indication
Ah! You read them then? "Of course, they remind me why I'm a lefty.  | |||
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" And finally he seems far too focused on idealogical basis for policy rather than practical " Granted, but I prefer an idealist to someone who just wants to maintain the status quo. One is aspirational. | |||
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"The thought of this guy becoming pm scares the Crap out of Me. " I think they are all Liars, say one thing do another type politics but this man, good gosh. Thing is is that we live in a democracy so if he does get in then whether we like it or not have to respect the wishes of the majority of the people. | |||
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" And finally he seems far too focused on idealogical basis for policy rather than practical Granted, but I prefer an idealist to someone who just wants to maintain the status quo. One is aspirational. " You realise that's those things are not mutually exclusive right? Heck an ideologist once they have their ideal system in place will defend it against all sensible and practical change because it's their ideology. Take labour with their "rubbing multiculturalism in the rights face" (their words) they were doing things based on an ideology, there was clear practical evidence that it wasn't working but they kept on doing it anyway. A more practical aproaxh doesn't mean abandoning the idea but instead tempering it and changing how you do it so that you actually yet to the end goal without the wheels falling off the wagon before you yet there. | |||
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"I think Corbyn is a genuine and passionate politician, and the leader this country needs. He might not be as savvy with the press as the shiny media trained lot, but I can't see how that is a bad thing. He speaks straight, he is clear on his intentions, he seems honest and I agree with his ideas fully. I feel he is being discredited for very poor reasons by media. " But he doesn't exactly seem the type that's needed during a time where there is a lot of conflict | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority " Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. | |||
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"I don't think anything of Corbyn. Like all politicans I'm sure in a private setting he's as nice a pie. People kept saying they wanted a different sort of politics and that's what he offers, whether you agree with him or not is another matter. I'm not a Labour voter but if I were I'd be expecting him to last until the EU ref and then once that's settled have a new leader for 2020 who wasn't tarred by any brush over the EU referendum. That was their big mistake in Scotland when it came to the 2015 GE. " That's the thing though, all Corbyn supporters say he is 'principled' but he totally abandoned his principles on the EU. It's well known that he was a eurosceptic before he became Labour leader and would prefer Britain out of the EU, then once he becomes leader all of a sudden he becomes pro EU and Britain should remain in. A complete u-turn on this subject from Corbyn......A man of principle, I don't think so. | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister." Corbyn vs Boris. Would possibly be the funniest election campaign ever | |||
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"I think Corbyn is a genuine and passionate politician, and the leader this country needs. He might not be as savvy with the press as the shiny media trained lot, but I can't see how that is a bad thing. He speaks straight, he is clear on his intentions, he seems honest and I agree with his ideas fully. I feel he is being discredited for very poor reasons by media. " Not media, he is doing a very good job himself, media just sit back and let him talk. Listen to priministers question time today. | |||
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"Seems like a very genuine person with strong principles. The question is, in these times, who would you prefer......... Churchill or Chamberlain?? " yes _eally filthy couple that is the cum shot to end all cum shots, more like a cream hose fire extinguisher . This is why I love this site and the forum otherwise I would have never seen this pic, best real porn ever. xx | |||
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"I think Corbyn is a genuine and passionate politician, and the leader this country needs. He might not be as savvy with the press as the shiny media trained lot, but I can't see how that is a bad thing. He speaks straight, he is clear on his intentions, he seems honest and I agree with his ideas fully. I feel he is being discredited for very poor reasons by media. " I feel a lot of the problems that stem from him is because he can't give a straight answer and dithers. That's why he gets misquoted because he always never commits. Take Trident and the recent shoot to kill comments he's made. He just blusters. I don't see leadership material in someone who is never firmly decided. | |||
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"I think Corbyn is a genuine and passionate politician, and the leader this country needs. He might not be as savvy with the press as the shiny media trained lot, but I can't see how that is a bad thing. He speaks straight, he is clear on his intentions, he seems honest and I agree with his ideas fully. I feel he is being discredited for very poor reasons by media. " As a man of principle he is fine, as a leader, decision maker and potential PM.a truly scary prospect. Sure wouldn't it be lovely to become the next Switzerland claim our neutrality, scrap all our weapons and declare free love the world over. Our very existence over the centuries has come as a result of defence, recently successful but looking back deeper, not so successful. A man who in charge would not allow the police to shoot a terrorist on the rampage cannot be a man to put in charge, and that is not media speculation. | |||
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"Although I am fiercely cynical about British politics (and politics in general, for that matter), I actually like Corbyn. I approve of his untheatrical style, and his policies are progressive and thought-provoking. Those were the factors that led so many to vote for him to lead Labour. Whether, if given the opportunity, he'd actually be able to make nay changes is another matter. I'd also wish tabloid newspapers would shut the fuck up about him. It seems he can't so much as sneeze without at least one news outlet criticising him. " Again those who defend Corbyn keep pointing the finger at the media and the opposition parties for the criticism. A fair chunk of the criticism and attacks aimed at Corbyn come from within the Labour party itself and from his own Labour MP's. | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. Corbyn vs Boris. Would possibly be the funniest election campaign ever" an extremely scary possibility. I bet that's what the lib dems are hoping for. | |||
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"Although I am fiercely cynical about British politics (and politics in general, for that matter), I actually like Corbyn. I approve of his untheatrical style, and his policies are progressive and thought-provoking. Those were the factors that led so many to vote for him to lead Labour. Whether, if given the opportunity, he'd actually be able to make nay changes is another matter. I'd also wish tabloid newspapers would shut the fuck up about him. It seems he can't so much as sneeze without at least one news outlet criticising him. Again those who defend Corbyn keep pointing the finger at the media and the opposition parties for the criticism. A fair chunk of the criticism and attacks aimed at Corbyn come from within the Labour party itself and from his own Labour MP's. " The media thing became a bit fierce but now with all the infighting in the party and constant digs I actually feel sorry for the guy. He looks more bedraggled by the hours. I wouldn't want him as a PM for many reasons but I don't buy the bad hype. | |||
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"Hes just put Ken Livingstone on the chair for the Trident re_iew. Like putting Ian Huntley in charge of childcare." I know you couldn't make it up could you. anyone remember how bonkers London was in his day. | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. Corbyn vs Boris. Would possibly be the funniest election campaign ever an extremely scary possibility. I bet that's what the lib dems are hoping for. "I am sorry don't know them, who are the LIb DEMS ???? (love your pics btw) | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. Corbyn vs Boris. Would possibly be the funniest election campaign ever an extremely scary possibility. I bet that's what the lib dems are hoping for.
I am sorry don't know them, who are the LIb DEMS ???? (love your pics btw)"There the party in the center of politics at the moment. You know the boring position that tries not to alienate half the 49% of the population. | |||
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"Hes just put Ken Livingstone on the chair for the Trident re_iew. Like putting Ian Huntley in charge of childcare." It's no surprise really, in his first days as leader he put a vegetarian in charge of agriculture and livestock, lol.
A massive row has already blown up within the labour party over Livingstone's appointment. Ken Livingstone insulted someone in the Labour party with a known history of mental health issues saying they needed to go see a shrink. He's now been made by Corbyn to make a full public apology. | |||
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"I think Corbyn is a genuine and passionate politician, and the leader this country needs. He might not be as savvy with the press as the shiny media trained lot, but I can't see how that is a bad thing. He speaks straight, he is clear on his intentions, he seems honest and I agree with his ideas fully. I feel he is being discredited for very poor reasons by media. I feel a lot of the problems that stem from him is because he can't give a straight answer and dithers. That's why he gets misquoted because he always never commits. Take Trident and the recent shoot to kill comments he's made. He just blusters. I don't see leadership material in someone who is never firmly decided. " It's just 'new politics' and that's how it's done. I'm not smart enough to understand it though, definately sounds like hot air to me. | |||
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"I've yet to see him smiling... "Does that mean he isn't on the make like the rest of them? | |||
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"What exactly is the British way of life, and how does he hate it?
Those on the extreme left have always been anti British.
"Being British" is an abstract concept, for which people will have different points of _iew.
As it happens I am exceptionally proud of being British but probably for very different reasons to yourself.
That's ok with me though
The right wing always think they have a monopoly on patriotism. "And patriotism is the last refuge if a scoundrel. | |||
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" And finally he seems far too focused on idealogical basis for policy rather than practical Granted, but I prefer an idealist to someone who just wants to maintain the status quo. One is aspirational. " God deliver us from the Status Quo....and that includes the band. | |||
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"Has he put Livingstone on the naughty step then? "Yeah ken has put his foot in his mouth. Can you imagine what it is like being in the same room as red ken and corbyn. Crikey be like sitting in the staff room at school. | |||
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"He won't press the button if needed to protect this country!" Just how many countries do you think are capable of hitting us with a nuclear warhead ? Then again why would they want to ? | |||
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"I think Corbyn is a genuine and passionate politician, and the leader this country needs. He might not be as savvy with the press as the shiny media trained lot, but I can't see how that is a bad thing. He speaks straight, he is clear on his intentions, he seems honest and I agree with his ideas fully. I feel he is being discredited for very poor reasons by media. But he doesn't exactly seem the type that's needed during a time where there is a lot of conflict " What type is best then? One that rides roughshod over the electorate? We don't really know what type he is anyway, as he's an untested leader. Judging a leader if a party after just a few weeks seems a little bit premature. | |||
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"To say something nice for a change. I think you'd have to have skills in the bedroom to satisfy Dianne Abbott so props to him for getting the job done there " It would be a bonus if they rekindled their old flame again, so he could ball gag her mouth in the house of commons to shut her up. | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister." You can say the same about any party leader. | |||
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"I think Corbyn is a genuine and passionate politician, and the leader this country needs. He might not be as savvy with the press as the shiny media trained lot, but I can't see how that is a bad thing. He speaks straight, he is clear on his intentions, he seems honest and I agree with his ideas fully. I feel he is being discredited for very poor reasons by media. I feel a lot of the problems that stem from him is because he can't give a straight answer and dithers. That's why he gets misquoted because he always never commits. Take Trident and the recent shoot to kill comments he's made. He just blusters. I don't see leadership material in someone who is never firmly decided. " Plenty of government ministers don't give straight answers. Remember the Paxman inter_iew when he asked the same question over a dozen times. All he got was an answer to a question that the MP wanted to have been asked. They think we can't see a spin doctor at work, whereas in reality, it plain to see. And its plain to see that corbyn gives his real personal _iews, not what he hopes people want to hear. | |||
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"Hes just put Ken Livingstone on the chair for the Trident re_iew. Like putting Ian Huntley in charge of childcare." So he's only allowed to put pro trident people on the committee? | |||
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"What's the general consensus on what you all think of him ? I think the man is a complete and utter disgrace. A man who wants to scrap trident and put the security of our country at risk, a man who wants to ignore the democratic will of the Falkland islanders and hand over power sharing to Argentina. A man who is a terrorist sympathiser, thought the death of Osama bin Laden was a tragedy and calls evil groups like Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends'. A man who disrespects the Queen and our national anthem. A man who turns up to memorial services looking scruffy and dishevelled. A man who I think is unelectable and who the majority of the British people will reject. the trident it just like a big house with a massive mortgage that you can never live so he might not be wrong there" Thats probably the worst analogy ive ever heard. Or do big houses act as a nuclear DETERRENT? See the thing with deterrents is they are working constantly whether actively used or not, without out it we may have been living in a post nuclear wasteland by now but we have got it and we havent been nuked so alls well. | |||
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"He won't press the button if needed to protect this country!" Because pushing it wouldn't protect us. It would just ensure we killed pleny of their side too. It's supposed to be retaliatory only. | |||
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"What's the general consensus on what you all think of him ? I think the man is a complete and utter disgrace. A man who wants to scrap trident and put the security of our country at risk, a man who wants to ignore the democratic will of the Falkland islanders and hand over power sharing to Argentina. A man who is a terrorist sympathiser, thought the death of Osama bin Laden was a tragedy and calls evil groups like Hamas and Hezbollah 'friends'. A man who disrespects the Queen and our national anthem. A man who turns up to memorial services looking scruffy and dishevelled. A man who I think is unelectable and who the majority of the British people will reject. the trident it just like a big house with a massive mortgage that you can never live so he might not be wrong there Thats probably the worst analogy ive ever heard. Or do big houses act as a nuclear DETERRENT? See the thing with deterrents is they are working constantly whether actively used or not, without out it we may have been living in a post nuclear wasteland by now but we have got it and we havent been nuked so alls well." Why would we be nuked? Really? What purpose does it serve the aggressors? | |||
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"Hes just put Ken Livingstone on the chair for the Trident re_iew. Like putting Ian Huntley in charge of childcare. So he's only allowed to put pro trident people on the committee?" You know there are people that aren't on the extremes of these things! Maybe one of them would be a better choice! | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. You can say the same about any party leader." Not if you understand probability | |||
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"To say something nice for a change. I think you'd have to have skills in the bedroom to satisfy Dianne Abbott so props to him for getting the job done there It would be a bonus if they rekindled their old flame again, so he could ball gag her mouth in the house of commons to shut her up. "Shhh that was my compliment to balance the 'debate'. Don't make me your post. | |||
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"Hes just put Ken Livingstone on the chair for the Trident re_iew. Like putting Ian Huntley in charge of childcare. So he's only allowed to put pro trident people on the committee? You know there are people that aren't on the extremes of these things! Maybe one of them would be a better choice! " You either want it, or you don't. They're not extremes. | |||
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"To say something nice for a change. I think you'd have to have skills in the bedroom to satisfy Dianne Abbott so props to him for getting the job done there It would be a bonus if they rekindled their old flame again, so he could ball gag her mouth in the house of commons to shut her up.
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. You can say the same about any party leader. Not if you understand probability" He hasn't been in a general election as party leader. So he is a total unknown quantity. Cameron and his crew scraped into power if you take the entire possible electorate into account. So probability doesn't come into it, as far as corbyn is concerned. Things don't look good for a conservative win next time. | |||
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"Not being able to launch a nuclear warhead and not conforming to trivial acts of patriotism are poor reasons for disliking Corbyn. Both reasons are irrelevant considerations. If the time comes that we're faced with pressing the button, we'll have far bigger things to worry about than retaliation. And if the man serves to the benefit of this country as a whole, who gives a shit if he doesn't bend the knee or sing the national anthem?!?! His work is evidence of his patriotism. "
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. You can say the same about any party leader. Not if you understand probability He hasn't been in a general election as party leader. So he is a total unknown quantity. Cameron and his crew scraped into power if you take the entire possible electorate into account. So probability doesn't come into it, as far as corbyn is concerned. Things don't look good for a conservative win next time." I said "if" you understand probability. Conservative are bookies favourites for 2020 so actually things do look good. Betting markets are very efficient indicators, more so than polls actually. | |||
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"As someone else said , he is a fool with principles . Dangerous combination .... "His principles is what makes him so flippin dodgy | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. You can say the same about any party leader. Not if you understand probability He hasn't been in a general election as party leader. So he is a total unknown quantity. Cameron and his crew scraped into power if you take the entire possible electorate into account. So probability doesn't come into it, as far as corbyn is concerned. Things don't look good for a conservative win next time. I said "if" you understand probability. Conservative are bookies favourites for 2020 so actually things do look good. Betting markets are very efficient indicators, more so than polls actually. " But you can't bring probability to the argument, in respect of corbyn. There is no historical data to give true probabilistic odds. It's pure guesswork on the part of the bookies based on nothing of any real meaning. | |||
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"I have great respect for him and he is clearly a nice and principled man bucking the trend in politics. But I am afraid that I can't see him lasting long in the world of politics as a leader." Just bring back David Miliband already, it would be nice to have a proper race at the next election. | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. You can say the same about any party leader. Not if you understand probability He hasn't been in a general election as party leader. So he is a total unknown quantity. Cameron and his crew scraped into power if you take the entire possible electorate into account. So probability doesn't come into it, as far as corbyn is concerned. Things don't look good for a conservative win next time. I said "if" you understand probability. Conservative are bookies favourites for 2020 so actually things do look good. Betting markets are very efficient indicators, more so than polls actually. But you can't bring probability to the argument, in respect of corbyn. There is no historical data to give true probabilistic odds. It's pure guesswork on the part of the bookies based on nothing of any real meaning." I assure you that probability works just fine without the event having happened before! There's plenty of historical data on the relevant issues. Bookies only set the initial odds, from there they fluctuate depending on bets they receive from the public because the bookies trade bets off against each other, that's what makes them so efficient. | |||
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"The whole point of corbyn, really, is he is there as a message to the labour party in general. The grass roots supporters felt that the new labour party had drifted to the right of centre. Corbyn is a protest, nothing more. But he is a protest that was needed. The party has stopped listening to who it historically represented. This was they're only real way of being listened to and taken seriously by the middle class professional politicians that just happened to be playing on the red end of the street." What's wrong with David Miliband other than he's got a better job at the moment? If he wasn't done over by the unions labour would probably be in power now! | |||
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"Because he too was too far over the line and starting to show hints of blue." He's as left as your gonna get elected with! Plus he's held a real job unlike his brother or JC | |||
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"I honestly don't know, but I have to say I have not been over impressed with the last 4 prime ministers we have had over the last 30od years, He does seem to be a man who wants peace, which I kind of want. He wants our tax money spent on things we need rather than given to shareholders and private companies which I kind of want. Maybe he will shape up as a politician who works for the good of the people rather than politicians and big business, which I kind of want... but that ensures he will never get to live in number 10, as there are too many enemies who want to protect war, corruption, and line their own pockets." We all want motherhood and apple pie, what I don't want is him having his peace loving credentials put to the test the first day he is elected , we all need to be careful of what we wish for | |||
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"Because he too was too far over the line and starting to show hints of blue. He's as left as your gonna get elected with! Plus he's held a real job unlike his brother or JC" Not if you take the Scottish contingent into the equation. Labours main reason for loss was because of the amount of seats they lost in Scotland to the (more left of centre) SNP. Once they have proven they have shifted back away from the right, i think they will see their fortunes rise in scotland and with the hammering the poor have taken, in wales, the south west and northern england too. The tories have proven themselves to be the party for the rich alone. That's London and the home counties mainly. Or can we expect to see even more boundary fiddling to ensure they stay in power? | |||
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"Not being able to launch a nuclear warhead and not conforming to trivial acts of patriotism are poor reasons for disliking Corbyn. Both reasons are irrelevant considerations. If the time comes that we're faced with pressing the button, we'll have far bigger things to worry about than retaliation. And if the man serves to the benefit of this country as a whole, who gives a shit if he doesn't bend the knee or sing the national anthem?!?! His work is evidence of his patriotism. " A nuclear deterrent will only be a deterrent if the government are prepared to use it. By saying he won't use it renders it useless and us defenceless. As for evidence of his patriotism; his fondness of cozying up to terrorists, his remorse at the death of Bin Laden and his unwillingness to authorise the use of lethal force by law enforcement agencies even though national and international law grants this right already shows a real lack of patriotism. | |||
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"We all want motherhood and apple pie, what I don't want is him having his peace loving credentials put to the test the first day he is elected , we all need to be careful of what we wish for" And exactly how is declaring war on Iraq and Afghanistan, arming ISIS to start a civil war in Syria etc. working out for world peace? Perhaps it is time for fresh thinking. Trident is not actually a deterent against any enemy we have ever faced, so what is it for? genuine answers accepted, but I can't see it actually being used by any sane prime minister, they just haven't been honest. reducing armed forces in numbers and equipment is the real threat, and that has happened under Cameron not Corban. | |||
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"Ramsey McDonald, Clement Atlee, Harold Wilson, James Callaghan, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown. What's your point? Personally, I would have been happier had Foot, Kinnock and Smith have been in power. But I think about long term prospects for the country and not the "here today gone tomorrow" if modern conservatism. It's the promise of "jam today" to the easily fooled or just plain selfish that kept the Tories in during the eighties. The jars empty now though. We stopped making it when we decided to close the factory and buy it in from somewhere else instead. But we haven't got any money now." re is no point, it's just a question as in I'm trying to understand your point of _iew (or anyone else that has similar _iews) But I asked for people that were red enough (#1) since I was a bit surprised you said David Miliband wasn't and you've listed Tony B so now I'm really confused!? | |||
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"not sure what the queen's got to do with being a patriot .... she's a twat And you base this disgusting statement on what? You may not like the monarchy, but there is no need for this! "Personally I think she's got the worst job in the world. She's basically a slave, sure she's a rich one but she can't do what she wants. She can't visit Chameleons without being recognised, can't even turn up to a social without MI5 listening in to the conversation, the palace kind of gives away her identity if she tries to organise a gangbang. You know, things that normal people do, they aren't an option for her. | |||
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"I'm not sure what Labour stands for anymore. As a party they need to get behind Corbyn and come up with a list of policies that are not only principled but electable. I fear the challenge maybe too great for the next election." Agreed but we're all worse off for it in my opinion. No serious opposition is not a good state of affairs. | |||
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"I'm not sure what Labour stands for anymore. As a party they need to get behind Corbyn and come up with a list of policies that are not only principled but electable. I fear the challenge maybe too great for the next election. Agreed but we're all worse off for it in my opinion. No serious opposition is not a good state of affairs." Totally agree, seems like with Lib Dems in meltdown, SNP only really focussed on Scottish issues, Farage and UKIP a one trick pony and Labour souls searching for an identity in the 21st century that Cameron and the Tories are not being held to account by anyone. | |||
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"not sure what the queen's got to do with being a patriot .... she's a twat And you base this disgusting statement on what? You may not like the monarchy, but there is no need for this! "No, there is. She really is a twat. And her sister was an utter cunt. | |||
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"I honestly don't know, but I have to say I have not been over impressed with the last 4 prime ministers we have had over the last 30od years, He does seem to be a man who wants peace, which I kind of want. He wants our tax money spent on things we need rather than given to shareholders and private companies which I kind of want. Maybe he will shape up as a politician who works for the good of the people rather than politicians and big business, which I kind of want... but that ensures he will never get to live in number 10, as there are too many enemies who want to protect war, corruption, and line their own pockets." Corbyn could have stood upto big business by sticking to his eurosceptic principles. Such a shame he abandoned his principles in this area. | |||
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"Ramsey McDonald, Clement Atlee, Harold Wilson, James Callaghan, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown. What's your point? Personally, I would have been happier had Foot, Kinnock and Smith have been in power. But I think about long term prospects for the country and not the "here today gone tomorrow" if modern conservatism. It's the promise of "jam today" to the easily fooled or just plain selfish that kept the Tories in during the eighties. The jars empty now though. We stopped making it when we decided to close the factory and buy it in from somewhere else instead. But we haven't got any money now. re is no point, it's just a question as in I'm trying to understand your point of _iew (or anyone else that has similar _iews) But I asked for people that were red enough (#1) since I was a bit surprised you said David Miliband wasn't and you've listed Tony B so now I'm really confused!?" After the eons of Tory rule, Blair seemed like a trotskyist. | |||
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"not sure what the queen's got to do with being a patriot .... she's a twat And you base this disgusting statement on what? You may not like the monarchy, but there is no need for this!
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"We all want motherhood and apple pie, what I don't want is him having his peace loving credentials put to the test the first day he is elected , we all need to be careful of what we wish for And exactly how is declaring war on Iraq and Afghanistan, arming ISIS to start a civil war in Syria etc. working out for world peace? Perhaps it is time for fresh thinking. Trident is not actually a deterent against any enemy we have ever faced, so what is it for? genuine answers accepted, but I can't see it actually being used by any sane prime minister, they just haven't been honest. reducing armed forces in numbers and equipment is the real threat, and that has happened under Cameron not Corban. " Such short memories, it was the Labour party who went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Our nuclear deterrent was successful against Russia during the cold war. No nuclear missiles were fired so the nuclear deterrent worked. | |||
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"What's the general consensus on what you all think of him ? " As others have said, he does come across as a man of principle and in today's politics I would give him credit for that. However he doesn't seem to know the difference between a debating society and real politics in the real world, and for that he will get electorally crucified. As for his policy's I think he is a first class pillock. | |||
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"Think you will find it was the USA`s huge arsenal that kept Russia from doing anything. Like our single sub had them scared PMSL" It was the combined nuclear arsenal of Nato actually. | |||
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"We all want motherhood and apple pie, what I don't want is him having his peace loving credentials put to the test the first day he is elected , we all need to be careful of what we wish for And exactly how is declaring war on Iraq and Afghanistan, arming ISIS to start a civil war in Syria etc. working out for world peace? Perhaps it is time for fresh thinking. Trident is not actually a deterent against any enemy we have ever faced, so what is it for? genuine answers accepted, but I can't see it actually being used by any sane prime minister, they just haven't been honest. reducing armed forces in numbers and equipment is the real threat, and that has happened under Cameron not Corban. Such short memories, it was the Labour party who went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Our nuclear deterrent was successful against Russia during the cold war. No nuclear missiles were fired so the nuclear deterrent worked. " And if we hadn't had nuclear missiles, Russia wouldn't have been targeting us anyway. It wouldn't have been in their interests to. Circular reasoning is not justification in spending billions we can't afford. | |||
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"Such short memories, it was the Labour party who went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Our nuclear deterrent was successful against Russia during the cold war. No nuclear missiles were fired so the nuclear deterrent worked. " No short memory here, I know it was the Labour party that went to Iraq 2 and Afghanistan, Conservatives get Iraq 1, Libya and Syria (last 2 via providing arms to the terrorists we are currently bombing. Can you tell me the dates that Russia invaded or nuked the UK but were driven off by Trident? my memory seems to have lost that bit.. | |||
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"not sure what the queen's got to do with being a patriot .... she's a twat And you base this disgusting statement on what? You may not like the monarchy, but there is no need for this! " I don't support her but agreed shes just an old woman ( from a German immigrant family.....) | |||
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"So having read through all 151 threads to my post I have been able to conclude the following :- Corbyn is a weak, patronising, Terrorist sympathiser who appeals to a range of idealistic ken Livingston supporters. He also wears very bad suits and looks really old due to his shit unkemp beard. Can I thank everyone for there valued contributions "And that Brightonsteve is a bloody undecided fence sitter! | |||
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" No short memory here, I know it was the Labour party that went to Iraq 2 and Afghanistan, Conservatives get Iraq 1, Libya and Syria (last 2 via providing arms to the terrorists we are currently bombing. " It wasn't starting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that caused the problems, it was failing to finish them. In both countries the insurgents were getting smashed daily and staring down the barrel of defeat. Politicians here and in other countries lost their nerve a pulled out too soon. If we had finished the job then there would be no ISIS in Iraq or Taliban in Afghanistan. | |||
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"Ramsey McDonald, Clement Atlee, Harold Wilson, James Callaghan, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown. What's your point? Personally, I would have been happier had Foot, Kinnock and Smith have been in power. But I think about long term prospects for the country and not the "here today gone tomorrow" if modern conservatism. It's the promise of "jam today" to the easily fooled or just plain selfish that kept the Tories in during the eighties. The jars empty now though. We stopped making it when we decided to close the factory and buy it in from somewhere else instead. But we haven't got any money now. re is no point, it's just a question as in I'm trying to understand your point of _iew (or anyone else that has similar _iews) But I asked for people that were red enough (#1) since I was a bit surprised you said David Miliband wasn't and you've listed Tony B so now I'm really confused!? After the eons of Tory rule, Blair seemed like a trotskyist." Just to be clear, you like Tony B? | |||
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"Such short memories, it was the Labour party who went to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Our nuclear deterrent was successful against Russia during the cold war. No nuclear missiles were fired so the nuclear deterrent worked. No short memory here, I know it was the Labour party that went to Iraq 2 and Afghanistan, Conservatives get Iraq 1, Libya and Syria (last 2 via providing arms to the terrorists we are currently bombing. Can you tell me the dates that Russia invaded or nuked the UK but were driven off by Trident? my memory seems to have lost that bit.. " Totally missed the point of a deterrent. Russia didn't invade or nuke the UK during the cold war because we had a nuclear deterrent, I.e. It deterred them from doing so in the first place. As the British general said on television the other day a deterrent works every second of every day of every week of every month and so on. Corbyn saying he would never press the button under any circumstances undermines the whole point of the deterrent. We also had additional security as part of Nato during the cold war with Russia, and Corbyn wants us to possibly leave Nato too. Corbyn is a 100% certified Loon. | |||
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" No short memory here, I know it was the Labour party that went to Iraq 2 and Afghanistan, Conservatives get Iraq 1, Libya and Syria (last 2 via providing arms to the terrorists we are currently bombing. It wasn't starting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that caused the problems, it was failing to finish them. In both countries the insurgents were getting smashed daily and staring down the barrel of defeat. Politicians here and in other countries lost their nerve a pulled out too soon. If we had finished the job then there would be no ISIS in Iraq or Taliban in Afghanistan." Fighting an ideology is like swatting wasps, if you shake the nest you will get stung, unfortunately this wasp nest has Facebook so shake one nest you shake them all. So maybe we should try talking instead of swatting? | |||
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"not sure what the queen's got to do with being a patriot .... she's a twat And you base this disgusting statement on what? " i base it on her being aa twat | |||
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"not sure what the queen's got to do with being a patriot .... she's a twat And you base this disgusting statement on what? You may not like the monarchy, but there is no need for this! I don't support her but agreed shes just an old woman ( from a German immigrant family.....) "Not quite. Her great grandmother was Danish, which made her grandfather half German/Danish. Her grandmother was half German and half British which made her father two parts German and one part each Danish and British. Her mother was British which makes the Queen one half British and the other half a combination of German, Danish and British. Bottom line is that she has a lot more British blood than German. | |||
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" No short memory here, I know it was the Labour party that went to Iraq 2 and Afghanistan, Conservatives get Iraq 1, Libya and Syria (last 2 via providing arms to the terrorists we are currently bombing. It wasn't starting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that caused the problems, it was failing to finish them. In both countries the insurgents were getting smashed daily and staring down the barrel of defeat. Politicians here and in other countries lost their nerve a pulled out too soon. If we had finished the job then there would be no ISIS in Iraq or Taliban in Afghanistan. Fighting an ideology is like swatting wasps, if you shake the nest you will get stung, unfortunately this wasp nest has Facebook so shake one nest you shake them all. So maybe we should try talking instead of swatting? " There are relatively few true believers. The majority are in it for personal gain hence the ten dollar Taliban and Iraqis paid to plant IEDs by insurgents. Take out the leadership and make sure the foot soldiers know that if they support the insurgency it won't end well for them. Understand the human terrain and win the hearts and minds of the people and job done. There are some people so evil and twisted that you cannot talk or negotiate with them. When America surged troop numbers in Iraq there was for a time relative peace there. Using your analogy; a wasp will still sting you even if you don't shake its nest. A dead wasp won't sting you. | |||
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"What's the general consensus on what you all think of him ? " what do I think of jeremy corbyn? hmmm well... I reckon if you get a few drinks and maybe if he smoked some too he will be a real party animal on a night out and cause mayhem wolf pack style like in the hangover... | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. Corbyn vs Boris. Would possibly be the funniest election campaign ever an extremely scary possibility. I bet that's what the lib dems are hoping for. "In honesty it's more likely going to be Corbyn vs Osborne. My _iew in Corbyn is, I find it refreshing for a politician to speak his mind, without everything being a PR sound bite. I don't agree with a lot of what he has said and wouldn't want him as PM but at least he doesn't seem to consistently lie. | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. Corbyn vs Boris. Would possibly be the funniest election campaign ever an extremely scary possibility. I bet that's what the lib dems are hoping for.
In honesty it's more likely going to be Corbyn vs Osborne.
My _iew in Corbyn is, I find it refreshing for a politician to speak his mind, without everything being a PR sound bite.
I don't agree with a lot of what he has said and wouldn't want him as PM but at least he doesn't seem to consistently lie."I'm hoping for Boris vrs Miliband (David) | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. Corbyn vs Boris. Would possibly be the funniest election campaign ever an extremely scary possibility. I bet that's what the lib dems are hoping for.
In honesty it's more likely going to be Corbyn vs Osborne.
My _iew in Corbyn is, I find it refreshing for a politician to speak his mind, without everything being a PR sound bite.
I don't agree with a lot of what he has said and wouldn't want him as PM but at least he doesn't seem to consistently lie.
I'm hoping for Boris vrs Miliband (David) "Hoping for a Labour landslide in that case then? :p. | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. Corbyn vs Boris. Would possibly be the funniest election campaign ever an extremely scary possibility. I bet that's what the lib dems are hoping for.
In honesty it's more likely going to be Corbyn vs Osborne.
My _iew in Corbyn is, I find it refreshing for a politician to speak his mind, without everything being a PR sound bite.
I don't agree with a lot of what he has said and wouldn't want him as PM but at least he doesn't seem to consistently lie.
I'm hoping for Boris vrs Miliband (David) "Another Bullingdon boy would be perfect. | |||
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"How can any one take him serious He was voted in with a big majority Of Labour party voters, not the electorate. There is no hope in hell, of that man ever being Prime Minister. Corbyn vs Boris. Would possibly be the funniest election campaign ever an extremely scary possibility. I bet that's what the lib dems are hoping for.
In honesty it's more likely going to be Corbyn vs Osborne.
My _iew in Corbyn is, I find it refreshing for a politician to speak his mind, without everything being a PR sound bite.
I don't agree with a lot of what he has said and wouldn't want him as PM but at least he doesn't seem to consistently lie.
I'm hoping for Boris vrs Miliband (David)
Hoping for a Labour landslide in that case then? :p."Just be glad to have a choice between two politicians that have experience of real jobs | |||
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"A good politician should divide opinion, rather than take the line of least resistance (which most of our ineffectual MPs do), and it takes real courage of conviction to talk peace when popular opinion wants bloody revenge. You might disagree with his position, but at least it's clear. I like him for that." This! | |||
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