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"Just read about some 87 yo nazi woman being jailed for Holocaust denial
What do the panel think about this?
Is it a crime in UK or just EU?"
its a crime for a reason so nobody can question the official narrative |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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I also think that it might only be in Germany, but could be wrong. I think it is undeniably clear that it happened, the paperwork, the survivors, the guards, the orders etc. Etc. Etc. So for once, that made a law against crackpots and nutters who simply "believe" it did not happen, even in the face of the evidence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Denial is the law!...1776.
The holocaust without dout took place. The law stems from Poland as the cease fire 1945 American troops discovered the concentration camps. Polish civilians denial of the camps raised the law. Towns & villages were made to walk up to 30miles to view the atrocity. 15 million Jews accounted for by the numbering system. This should never be allowed to be repeated. Ever. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'll say this:
I do believe the Holocaust happened and I've been to some of the sites where it happened. They are truly awful places.
However, if you stuck every American in prison who denied the official government version of something (e.g 9/11, JFK's assisnation or the origin of AIDs) then about 20-25% of the population would be in prison!
Most people believe something stupid. For some it's holocaust denial. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Most people believe something stupid. For some it's holocaust denial. "
Some people like to be contrary, some like their contrariness to be particularly dramatic, noticeable, cruel  |
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"Most people believe something stupid. For some it's holocaust denial.
Some people like to be contrary, some like their contrariness to be particularly dramatic, noticeable, cruel "
Yup and the more they get punished for it then the more it reinforces their belief. Showing them indifference is my strategy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Most people believe something stupid. For some it's holocaust denial.
Some people like to be contrary, some like their contrariness to be particularly dramatic, noticeable, cruel
Yup and the more they get punished for it then the more it reinforces their belief. Showing them indifference is my strategy."
Remember seeing a documentary about an American engineer who was sucked into the holocaust denial 'industry', not wholly unwillingly but obviously his life was ruined...ignoring him would have been kinder to everyone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Most people believe something stupid. For some it's holocaust denial.
Some people like to be contrary, some like their contrariness to be particularly dramatic, noticeable, cruel
Yup and the more they get punished for it then the more it reinforces their belief. Showing them indifference is my strategy."
That really does sound an excellent strategy - with luck they'll die off. |
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By *ivnwcplCouple
over a year ago
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"Just read about some 87 yo nazi woman being jailed for Holocaust denial
What do the panel think about this?
Is it a crime in UK or just EU?"
Its illegal in 14 European nations to deny the Holocaust, but this isn't your average Grandma, she's a Neo-Nazi and has been jailed before in the past for her Views  |
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If one were to look at it in an objective sense, however, it opposes the ideology of free speech we hold so dear in the western world.
The incontrovertible evidence that the atrocities took place far outweigh any basis for denial. I do not believe for one second that any denial would in any way make any rational sense to most people
Jailing them only makes them martyrs. Jailing them makes it harder for us to hold up our society as founded on the right to free speech.
It's far easier to discredit them, show them to be fools, then simply ignore them. |
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
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As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions |
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By *ivnwcplCouple
over a year ago
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"If one were to look at it in an objective sense, however, it opposes the ideology of free speech we hold so dear in the western world.
The incontrovertible evidence that the atrocities took place far outweigh any basis for denial. I do not believe for one second that any denial would in any way make any rational sense to most people
Jailing them only makes them martyrs. Jailing them makes it harder for us to hold up our society as founded on the right to free speech.
It's far easier to discredit them, show them to be fools, then simply ignore them."
Yeah...but it still saves you buying her a present on Grandma Day  |
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It is illegal in Germany. It may well be illegal elsewhere.
It seems to me that only those with either an anti semitic or a nazi agenda may wish to support a denial viewpoint. The evidence of what happened is there from paperwork, testimony from survivors and testimony from some of the perpetrators.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just read about some 87 yo nazi woman being jailed for Holocaust denial
What do the panel think about this?
Is it a crime in UK or just EU?"
I think it is a bigger crime that anyone is jailed for denying the events which are collectively described as the holocaust. |
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions "
Is there anything else you think it should be a crime to deny? The Rwandan genocide of 1994 for example? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Well....it's not like denying the credibility of the moon landing, is it?
You can't fudge thousands of deaths, remains, personal artefacts and eyewitness accounts. Denying it seems a bit daft, if you ask me. But the lady is 87. Is this denial recent? If so, shouldn't she be cut a little slack considering her age?
If someone of nearly ninety suddenly starts denying the holocaust, isn't it like chastising a small child for believing in Father Christmas?
It's an exceptionally embarrassing crime against humanity that the people of Germany will always feel, hence the rigid rules about public denial of the horrific events.
The Germans are a wonderfully rational people. As has been said, time will take care of the few remaining people silly enough to make such ridiculous public statements. |
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions
Is there anything else you think it should be a crime to deny? The Rwandan genocide of 1994 for example? "
Are you asking if there should be a pre-emptive law to deal with any potential Rwandan genocide deniers, or are you just in the mood to score points ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just read about some 87 yo nazi woman being jailed for Holocaust denial
What do the panel think about this?
Is it a crime in UK or just EU?"
It only arouses more suspicion about the whole thing. What about the UN denial of Rwanda, should that have been a crime? |
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions
Is there anything else you think it should be a crime to deny? The Rwandan genocide of 1994 for example? "
Sorry, should have read through first, I've just said more or less the same thing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions
Is there anything else you think it should be a crime to deny? The Rwandan genocide of 1994 for example?
Are you asking if there should be a pre-emptive law to deal with any potential Rwandan genocide deniers, or are you just in the mood to score points ?"
Not scoring points, I'm just personally offended by the UN's attitude towards the event and general apathy from the international community. |
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions
Is there anything else you think it should be a crime to deny? The Rwandan genocide of 1994 for example?
Sorry, should have read through first, I've just said more or less the same thing."
I'm glad you did. It's nice that other people care about the tragic event. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions
Is there anything else you think it should be a crime to deny? The Rwandan genocide of 1994 for example?
Are you asking if there should be a pre-emptive law to deal with any potential Rwandan genocide deniers, or are you just in the mood to score points ?
Not scoring points, I'm just personally offended by the UN's attitude towards the event and general apathy from the international community. "
Same as the Armenian Genocide. Nobody wants to upset Turkey so it's never mentioned. |
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"If one were to look at it in an objective sense, however, it opposes the ideology of free speech we hold so dear in the western world.
The incontrovertible evidence that the atrocities took place far outweigh any basis for denial. I do not believe for one second that any denial would in any way make any rational sense to most people
Jailing them only makes them martyrs. Jailing them makes it harder for us to hold up our society as founded on the right to free speech.
It's far easier to discredit them, show them to be fools, then simply ignore them."
Free speech does not allow you to Say what you like. You cannot be racist, homophobic or verbally commit a number of hate crimes. It's not a difficult stretch to fit the holocaust denial in to this category. |
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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago
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I've met a few Holocaust deniers and found them hard work. You can't change the topic easily either, as if you mention that the moon is full, some then go on to tell you that moon landings were faked. If you then clutch at a straw and ask about their holiday, you run the risk of being told not New York this year, as the CIA/FBI/ASDA orchestrated the Twin Towers.... |
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions
Is there anything else you think it should be a crime to deny? The Rwandan genocide of 1994 for example?
Sorry, should have read through first, I've just said more or less the same thing.
I'm glad you did. It's nice that other people care about the tragic event. "
The UN did nothing to save those people, and they had the opportunity to do so, such a terrible crime by the UN.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'd be up for imprisoning people on grounds of extreme wilful stupidity for more than just holocaust denial tbh, but it makes more sense to catch them young before they breed. |
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions
Is there anything else you think it should be a crime to deny? The Rwandan genocide of 1994 for example?
Sorry, should have read through first, I've just said more or less the same thing.
I'm glad you did. It's nice that other people care about the tragic event.
The UN did nothing to save those people, and they had the opportunity to do so, such a terrible crime by the UN.
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The only thing worse than not protecting people is pretending to protect them so they don't flee when they have the chance or prepare any kind of defence. Oh and the UN's predecessor did the same to Ethiopia.
Good point about Armenia from another post too. |
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"If one were to look at it in an objective sense, however, it opposes the ideology of free speech we hold so dear in the western world.
The incontrovertible evidence that the atrocities took place far outweigh any basis for denial. I do not believe for one second that any denial would in any way make any rational sense to most people
Jailing them only makes them martyrs. Jailing them makes it harder for us to hold up our society as founded on the right to free speech.
It's far easier to discredit them, show them to be fools, then simply ignore them.
Free speech does not allow you to Say what you like. You cannot be racist, homophobic or verbally commit a number of hate crimes. It's not a difficult stretch to fit the holocaust denial in to this category. "
Whilst you are correct, free speech does not allow you to say whatever you like, you are incorrect in saying that you can not (say) or be racist or homophobic. What you are not allowed to do is incite discrimination on the grounds of sex, race or sexual orientation. Even if you do do that it is not a 'hate crime'. A 'hate crime' is anything that would normally be a crime (such as common assault) which has been motivated by hatred. What you probably meant was hate speech. That is any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone.
With regard to holocaust denial, it would not be a criminal offence in this country unless it was said with the the intent if causing distress to either a group or some individual. That does not mean that just because it does cause distress it is therefore illegal. The actual intent to cause distress has to there to.
With regard to holocaust denial. In this country it is not illegal to deny the holocaust unless you are denying it with the intent if causing distress to others. As an example: To say you don't believe that the holocaust actually happened because... (I'm not going to go through the list of delusional arguments these people use) is not illegal but if you were to stand outside a Jewish Synagogue and say the same that probably would be illegal as you would clearly be saying it with the intent of causing distress.
Whilst I accept in some European countries it is a crime to deny the holocaust, mainly due to the involvement or collaboration of many of those countries in the holocaust itself, I would not be in favour of such a ban here in Britain. I think it's far better to confront these deniers with facts and truth and show them and their arguments for what they are. |
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"If one were to look at it in an objective sense, however, it opposes the ideology of free speech we hold so dear in the western world.
The incontrovertible evidence that the atrocities took place far outweigh any basis for denial. I do not believe for one second that any denial would in any way make any rational sense to most people
Jailing them only makes them martyrs. Jailing them makes it harder for us to hold up our society as founded on the right to free speech.
It's far easier to discredit them, show them to be fools, then simply ignore them.
Free speech does not allow you to Say what you like. You cannot be racist, homophobic or verbally commit a number of hate crimes. It's not a difficult stretch to fit the holocaust denial in to this category.
Whilst you are correct, free speech does not allow you to say whatever you like, you are incorrect in saying that you can not (say) or be racist or homophobic. What you are not allowed to do is incite discrimination on the grounds of sex, race or sexual orientation. Even if you do do that it is not a 'hate crime'. A 'hate crime' is anything that would normally be a crime (such as common assault) which has been motivated by hatred. What you probably meant was hate speech. That is any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone.
With regard to holocaust denial, it would not be a criminal offence in this country unless it was said with the the intent if causing distress to either a group or some individual. That does not mean that just because it does cause distress it is therefore illegal. The actual intent to cause distress has to there to.
With regard to holocaust denial. In this country it is not illegal to deny the holocaust unless you are denying it with the intent if causing distress to others. As an example: To say you don't believe that the holocaust actually happened because... (I'm not going to go through the list of delusional arguments these people use) is not illegal but if you were to stand outside a Jewish Synagogue and say the same that probably would be illegal as you would clearly be saying it with the intent of causing distress.
Whilst I accept in some European countries it is a crime to deny the holocaust, mainly due to the involvement or collaboration of many of those countries in the holocaust itself, I would not be in favour of such a ban here in Britain. I think it's far better to confront these deniers with facts and truth and show them and their arguments for what they are."
I take your point but there have been custodial sentences handed out for racist remarks on social media.
Surely most racist and homophobic attitudes and or assaults are founded in hatred. As is genocide.
Holocaust denial is not a crime in the UK because it's not a problem here. |
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I know it's not exactly the same thing but there was a programme called "America's most hated family" who were offensive bigots in every sense of the word. However, left to their own devices a lot of them realised that making other people's lives miserable wasn't very fun and they left. Had they been in prison then its my opinion they wouldn't have reached that conclusion (i.e prison just hardens them) |
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions
Is there anything else you think it should be a crime to deny? The Rwandan genocide of 1994 for example?
Sorry, should have read through first, I've just said more or less the same thing.
I'm glad you did. It's nice that other people care about the tragic event.
The UN did nothing to save those people, and they had the opportunity to do so, such a terrible crime by the UN.
The only thing worse than not protecting people is pretending to protect them so they don't flee when they have the chance or prepare any kind of defence. Oh and the UN's predecessor did the same to Ethiopia.
Good point about Armenia from another post too. "
There seems to be ulterior motives at work, that means governments and organisations pick and choose who the help, and the media choose who they report. |
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"I also think that it might only be in Germany, but could be wrong. I think it is undeniably clear that it happened, the paperwork, the survivors, the guards, the orders etc. Etc. Etc. So for once, that made a law against crackpots and nutters who simply "believe" it did not happen, even in the face of the evidence. "
horrific but true fact.
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"I know it's not exactly the same thing but there was a programme called "America's most hated family" who were offensive bigots in every sense of the word. However, left to their own devices a lot of them realised that making other people's lives miserable wasn't very fun and they left. Had they been in prison then its my opinion they wouldn't have reached that conclusion (i.e prison just hardens them)"
The US is a slightly different case. Their constitution allows them the right to say whatever they like to anyone they like and, whilst one can argue and object, one can't stop someone from saying the most stupid things (a rationale for why so many daft political and conspiracy theories come out of the US)
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By *44bertCouple
over a year ago
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"Just read about some 87 yo nazi woman being jailed for Holocaust denial
What do the panel think about this?
Is it a crime in UK or just EU?
its a crime for a reason so nobody can question the official narrative"
"Official narrative"..?
Are you saying you think it didn't happen? |
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Just a quick point...
There's about as much evidence for a Jewish Holocaust as there is for evolution!.
Yet some will quite adamantly still claim that evolution is a"theory "not a fact without the shame there'd feel declaring the same for a Holocaust.
Personal bias is a terrible affliction! |
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By *ercyukMan
over a year ago
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"Just read about some 87 yo nazi woman being jailed for Holocaust denial
What do the panel think about this?
Is it a crime in UK or just EU?
its a crime for a reason so nobody can question the official narrative
"Official narrative"..?
Are you saying you think it didn't happen? "
From what i gather they are saying it is illegal to question the official narrative.... ive never really given it much thought and to be honest the term holocaust denial is a new one on me. I do however find it odd that it is illegal to question. that would be like it is illegal to question WW1 surely it should be a case of follow the evidence and the truth clearly shines through. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a quick point...
There's about as much evidence for a Jewish Holocaust as there is for evolution!.
Yet some will quite adamantly still claim that evolution is a"theory "not a fact without the shame there'd feel declaring the same for a Holocaust.
Personal bias is a terrible affliction!"
What?!
People who have lost their whole families are a "theory"?! Or "personal bias"?! You do not know such people so they don't exist?
Sheltered existence seems to be the root of a lot of evils. |
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to say the holocaust never happened or denying it is flat out ridiculous as plenty of evidence and death's of thousands off people show it very well did happen....
NOW however people who say the number of death's being slightly exaggerated may have a point in some areas but overall it was indeed a very dark and real event which happened in history. |
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"Just a quick point...
There's about as much evidence for a Jewish Holocaust as there is for evolution!.
Yet some will quite adamantly still claim that evolution is a"theory "not a fact without the shame there'd feel declaring the same for a Holocaust.
Personal bias is a terrible affliction!"
That's because evolution is a theory whilst the holocaust is a fact.
Evolution is a theory that tries to explain how the world came to be the way it is. It is open to revision and possible rejection as new evidence becomes available. Whether the theory is accepted, rejected or amended has know actual affect on the fact that the world is the way it is or that certain events may or may not have happened. For example 60 million years ago humans did not exist now they do. These are facts (or events, if your understanding of the word fact is that it must be true); evolution is a theory, based on the facts (or evidence) that tries to explain how things got from the situation they were in 60 million years ago to the situation they are now.
The holocaust is a fact (or event). You may have a theory about what caused the event, you may have a theory about how the event was actually carried out but the holocaust itself could never be regarded as a theory whether you believe it happened or not.
A theory describes how something either did or could have happened, or why something is the way it is. A fact (whether true or not) is a statement that something either did, is or was. |
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"Just a quick point...
There's about as much evidence for a Jewish Holocaust as there is for evolution!.
Yet some will quite adamantly still claim that evolution is a"theory "not a fact without the shame there'd feel declaring the same for a Holocaust.
Personal bias is a terrible affliction!
What?!
People who have lost their whole families are a "theory"?! Or "personal bias"?! You do not know such people so they don't exist?
Sheltered existence seems to be the root of a lot of evils."
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You seem to have completely missed my point.
There's about the same evidence to conclude that the Holocaust occurred as there is for evolution to have occurred!.
That is that they both have about 99.9999% chance that they occurred... Or as close to a fact as you can get through rational reasoning!
However some people will gladly tell you that evolution is" just a theory " without feeling the shame that they would telling you the same about the Holocaust, and that's because there personally biased and has nothing to do with facts! |
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"Just a quick point...
There's about as much evidence for a Jewish Holocaust as there is for evolution!.
Yet some will quite adamantly still claim that evolution is a"theory "not a fact without the shame there'd feel declaring the same for a Holocaust.
Personal bias is a terrible affliction!
That's because evolution is a theory whilst the holocaust is a fact.
Evolution is a theory that tries to explain how the world came to be the way it is. It is open to revision and possible rejection as new evidence becomes available. Whether the theory is accepted, rejected or amended has know actual affect on the fact that the world is the way it is or that certain events may or may not have happened. For example 60 million years ago humans did not exist now they do. These are facts (or events, if your understanding of the word fact is that it must be true); evolution is a theory, based on the facts (or evidence) that tries to explain how things got from the situation they were in 60 million years ago to the situation they are now.
The holocaust is a fact (or event). You may have a theory about what caused the event, you may have a theory about how the event was actually carried out but the holocaust itself could never be regarded as a theory whether you believe it happened or not.
A theory describes how something either did or could have happened, or why something is the way it is. A fact (whether true or not) is a statement that something either did, is or was."
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"Just a quick point...
There's about as much evidence for a Jewish Holocaust as there is for evolution!.
Yet some will quite adamantly still claim that evolution is a"theory "not a fact without the shame there'd feel declaring the same for a Holocaust.
Personal bias is a terrible affliction!
That's because evolution is a theory whilst the holocaust is a fact.
Evolution is a theory that tries to explain how the world came to be the way it is. It is open to revision and possible rejection as new evidence becomes available. Whether the theory is accepted, rejected or amended has know actual affect on the fact that the world is the way it is or that certain events may or may not have happened. For example 60 million years ago humans did not exist now they do. These are facts (or events, if your understanding of the word fact is that it must be true); evolution is a theory, based on the facts (or evidence) that tries to explain how things got from the situation they were in 60 million years ago to the situation they are now.
The holocaust is a fact (or event). You may have a theory about what caused the event, you may have a theory about how the event was actually carried out but the holocaust itself could never be regarded as a theory whether you believe it happened or not.
A theory describes how something either did or could have happened, or why something is the way it is. A fact (whether true or not) is a statement that something either did, is or was..
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"Just a quick point...
There's about as much evidence for a Jewish Holocaust as there is for evolution!.
Yet some will quite adamantly still claim that evolution is a"theory "not a fact without the shame there'd feel declaring the same for a Holocaust.
Personal bias is a terrible affliction!
That's because evolution is a theory whilst the holocaust is a fact.
Evolution is a theory that tries to explain how the world came to be the way it is. It is open to revision and possible rejection as new evidence becomes available. Whether the theory is accepted, rejected or amended has know actual affect on the fact that the world is the way it is or that certain events may or may not have happened. For example 60 million years ago humans did not exist now they do. These are facts (or events, if your understanding of the word fact is that it must be true); evolution is a theory, based on the facts (or evidence) that tries to explain how things got from the situation they were in 60 million years ago to the situation they are now.
The holocaust is a fact (or event). You may have a theory about what caused the event, you may have a theory about how the event was actually carried out but the holocaust itself could never be regarded as a theory whether you believe it happened or not.
A theory describes how something either did or could have happened, or why something is the way it is. A fact (whether true or not) is a statement that something either did, is or was..
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"Just a quick point...
There's about as much evidence for a Jewish Holocaust as there is for evolution!.
Yet some will quite adamantly still claim that evolution is a"theory "not a fact without the shame there'd feel declaring the same for a Holocaust.
Personal bias is a terrible affliction!"
Evolution is a theory. Which means that scientists are trying to disprove it. But every time it is tested, it seems to be true.
Problem with some people is they think a theory is the same as a hypothesis.
As for Holocaust denial. A certain German dictator said "who remembers the Armenians?"
If people deny it happened in the past, it may happen again.
Especially when people like Donald Trump are proposing that Muslims should have to wear something that identifies them. |
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There's been lots of denial of past atrocities & even more atrocities that have been hidden behind official secrets acts, I would guess; the old 'damaging to national security' card hides thousands of sins no doubt!! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Well there is a theory of gravity too, I personally dont believe it, it must be a myth created by the illuminati and the lizzard headed new world order. The same about all that bollocks about the Earth being a Sphere! It's obviously flat! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just read about some 87 yo nazi woman being jailed for Holocaust denial
What do the panel think about this?
Is it a crime in UK or just EU?
Its illegal in 14 European nations to deny the Holocaust, but this isn't your average Grandma, she's a Neo-Nazi and has been jailed before in the past for her Views "
Snigger - you wanna check out what the word neo means.
At 87, think we can safely say she was an original nazi. Hitler yugend or something. Maybe helped out with stille hilfe over the years |
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By *ikeC81Man
over a year ago
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Try going to a concentration camp or the Prague ghettos and then say the holaucaust did not exist
If the women is a neo-nazi then she deserves to be prosecuted
The holaucaust should never happen again |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Try going to a concentration camp or the Prague ghettos and then say the holaucaust did not exist
If the women is a neo-nazi then she deserves to be prosecuted
The holaucaust should never happen again "
but unfortunately it did in rwanda and the world stood by and watched |
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"Try going to a concentration camp or the Prague ghettos and then say the holaucaust did not exist
If the women is a neo-nazi then she deserves to be prosecuted
The holaucaust should never happen again "
1) she is not a NEO nazi. She's a nazi. Why use words when you clearly don't know what they mean?
2) so we prosecute people for their beliefs now? That's right, we don't.
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"Well there is a theory of gravity too, I personally dont believe it, it must be a myth created by the illuminati and the lizzard headed new world order. The same about all that bollocks about the Earth being a Sphere! It's obviously flat!"
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That's exactly the point I was making! EVERYTHING'S a theory the Holocaust, gravity, magnetism, planets!.. Things are theory's that we can fit evidence to,to explain the world around us.
My point was that there's just as much evidence to support the theory of evolution as there is to fit the theory of the Holocaust!
Beliefs have consequences and bad beliefs based on faith or feelings have the worst consequences! |
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With so much genocide going on in the world in Africa, Iraq, Palestine and former eastern European countries we are only ever directed to the Holocaust.
Genocide is still happening by the Jewsish themselves today against the Palestine people but none of these offenders will ever face justice as this goes unpunished for some reason, yes what happened to the Jewish people was a terrible tragedy but Israel have just adopted the same bullying technique themselves with Palestine creating ghettos and systematically killing a weaker race.
Yes lots of countries need to be held accountable for their genocidal behaviour because killing any race is a holocaust. |
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime."
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I'm a firm beliver in free speech and freedom of thought! I don't think denial of the Holocaust is a crime in this country, however where I thinking holding that belief shouldn't be illegal the perpetuation of crazy beliefs by blatant liars for their own gain should be illegal!.
This is still rather evident today with evolution and climate change denial.
It's staggering to think in the 21st century that there's schools in western countries like the USA where creationism is taught!, or that the main person in charge of the US governmental science body is a devout Christian and holds beliefs that clearly go against everything that science tells us! I mean that's in the WEST. Holy cow what chance is there for some kids in Bangladesh....
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"Well there is a theory of gravity too, I personally dont believe it, it must be a myth created by the illuminati and the lizzard headed new world order. The same about all that bollocks about the Earth being a Sphere! It's obviously flat!"
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It seems quite draconian and a slight whiff of national socialism about being told what to think by the state, or by making it a criminal offence to think differently to that of the majority.
Saying that, there is overwhelming evidence so denying it in the face of that is more a mental health issue rather than a criminal one. |
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"Well there is a theory of gravity too, I personally dont believe it, it must be a myth created by the illuminati and the lizzard headed new world order. The same about all that bollocks about the Earth being a Sphere! It's obviously flat!
the earth isn't a sphere! "
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Genius gets banded about very often but he really really was one!
It's quite absurd that people 350 years later still think it's flat! |
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime.
I think it is a euphemism for racism, and I think it is right to treat it as any other race hate crime would be"
I don't agree. They exterminated people irrespective of their race, but chose religion too and sexuality. They did include race, of course. |
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime.
I think it is a euphemism for racism, and I think it is right to treat it as any other race hate crime would be
I don't agree. They exterminated people irrespective of their race, but chose religion too and sexuality. They did include race, of course. "
I think one may find most Jewish people consider themselves a race
They were not the "chosen" religion?
Many pride themselves upon their blood lines and this fact is one reason some other humans races and religions have a negative view |
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"Well there is a theory of gravity too, I personally dont believe it, it must be a myth created by the illuminati and the lizzard headed new world order. The same about all that bollocks about the Earth being a Sphere! It's obviously flat!
the earth isn't a sphere! .
Genius gets banded about very often but he really really was one!
It's quite absurd that people 350 years later still think it's flat!"
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime.
I think it is a euphemism for racism, and I think it is right to treat it as any other race hate crime would be
I don't agree. They exterminated people irrespective of their race, but chose religion too and sexuality. They did include race, of course.
I think one may find most Jewish people consider themselves a race
They were not the "chosen" religion?
Many pride themselves upon their blood lines and this fact is one reason some other humans races and religions have a negative view "
Yes I know, it's just that the extermination camps were not just for victims based on race. |
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By *opinovMan
over a year ago
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My dad was in Germany just at the end of the war. He visited a concentration camp as part of his duties and I don't think he ever forgot what he experienced there. When I was about 15, he took me to a local knackers yard and explained to me that this was how the camp smelled.
Since then, when I lived in Israel, I had the chance to visit the holocaust museum at Yad Vashem as well as the Warsaw Ghetto Fighters museum. I also got to know many of those (my neighbours) who took part in the uprising there as well as many camp survivors.
There's no doubt in my mind it happened and it should stand as a salutory lesson to future generations of what can happen if we allow propaganda, jingoism or militarism to dehumanise people.
I think those who deny it need a slap - however, I must admit I remain a little uncomfortable with the idea of imprisoning anyone for expressing their opinion of history. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"When you have family who died in the holocaust you can see why it's offensive.
And when you don't
So what's your opinion?
As to whether holocaust denial should be a crime you mean ?
Absolutely it should. It's an outrageous insult on the millions of people who died in the most terrifying and inhumane conditions "
Since when did insulting some one become a crime; be it insulting one person or one billion. I think it is a silly law that only an idiot will come up with |
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime.
I think it is a euphemism for racism, and I think it is right to treat it as any other race hate crime would be
I don't agree. They exterminated people irrespective of their race, but chose religion too and sexuality. They did include race, of course.
I think one may find most Jewish people consider themselves a race
They were not the "chosen" religion?
Many pride themselves upon their blood lines and this fact is one reason some other humans races and religions have a negative view
Yes I know, it's just that the extermination camps were not just for victims based on race. "
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It's a perfect example of how suspending rational thinking can get you to places like Christians exterminating Jews even though your God was Jewish!
Irrational beliefs have bad consequences and religion is the mother load of irrational beliefs! |
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime.
I think it is a euphemism for racism, and I think it is right to treat it as any other race hate crime would be
I don't agree. They exterminated people irrespective of their race, but chose religion too and sexuality. They did include race, of course.
I think one may find most Jewish people consider themselves a race
They were not the "chosen" religion?
Many pride themselves upon their blood lines and this fact is one reason some other humans races and religions have a negative view
Yes I know, it's just that the extermination camps were not just for victims based on race. "
In essence that's a reasonable point
However one usually finds the "deniers" are dismissing the number of Jewish slaughtered and I'd agree their motives are often based in religion. There are a number of prominent Catholic deniers xx but that is because some religions view the Jewish as a race |
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime.
I think it is a euphemism for racism, and I think it is right to treat it as any other race hate crime would be
I don't agree. They exterminated people irrespective of their race, but chose religion too and sexuality. They did include race, of course.
I think one may find most Jewish people consider themselves a race
They were not the "chosen" religion?
Many pride themselves upon their blood lines and this fact is one reason some other humans races and religions have a negative view
Yes I know, it's just that the extermination camps were not just for victims based on race. .
It's a perfect example of how suspending rational thinking can get you to places like Christians exterminating Jews even though your God was Jewish!
Irrational beliefs have bad consequences and religion is the mother load of irrational beliefs!"
The Nazis didn't exterminate the Jews because they were Christians. They saw the Christian church as a threat to their policies. The Nazi ideology did not arise from Christianity. |
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime.
I think it is a euphemism for racism, and I think it is right to treat it as any other race hate crime would be
I don't agree. They exterminated people irrespective of their race, but chose religion too and sexuality. They did include race, of course.
I think one may find most Jewish people consider themselves a race
They were not the "chosen" religion?
Many pride themselves upon their blood lines and this fact is one reason some other humans races and religions have a negative view
Yes I know, it's just that the extermination camps were not just for victims based on race. .
It's a perfect example of how suspending rational thinking can get you to places like Christians exterminating Jews even though your God was Jewish!
Irrational beliefs have bad consequences and religion is the mother load of irrational beliefs!
The Nazis didn't exterminate the Jews because they were Christians. They saw the Christian church as a threat to their policies. The Nazi ideology did not arise from Christianity. "
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I think the Christian persecution of Jews was going on a bit before the rise of the Nazis! The Nazi party just jumped on the bandwagon, they certainly were afraid of the Christian Church as the Vatican had a what might be called "a reasonable" relationship with the Nazi party. |
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"I think the Christian persecution of Jews was going on a bit before the rise of the Nazis! The Nazi party just jumped on the bandwagon, they certainly were afraid of the Christian Church as the Vatican had a what might be called "a reasonable" relationship with the Nazi party."
But in many ways both today & throughout history the Vatican have behaved very unchristian-like ; - there's Christian & there's Christian! |
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""I think the Christian persecution of Jews was going on a bit before the rise of the Nazis! The Nazi party just jumped on the bandwagon, they certainly were afraid of the Christian Church as the Vatican had a what might be called "a reasonable" relationship with the Nazi party."
But in many ways both today & throughout history the Vatican have behaved very unchristian-like ; - there's Christian & there's Christian! "
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I think most Christians are just spiritual people in reality, they certainly don't follow the teachings of Christ on a day to day basis do they
Love your enemy, turn the other cheek.
In reality like all business's they look to expand their empire at all costs, even if it goes against the "teachings".
Like I said religious people have a habit of suspending rational thought though |
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""I think the Christian persecution of Jews was going on a bit before the rise of the Nazis! The Nazi party just jumped on the bandwagon, they certainly were afraid of the Christian Church as the Vatican had a what might be called "a reasonable" relationship with the Nazi party."
But in many ways both today & throughout history the Vatican have behaved very unchristian-like ; - there's Christian & there's Christian! .
I think most Christians are just spiritual people in reality, they certainly don't follow the teachings of Christ on a day to day basis do they
Love your enemy, turn the other cheek.
In reality like all business's they look to expand their empire at all costs, even if it goes against the "teachings".
Like I said religious people have a habit of suspending rational thought though"
I don't agree with that.
I think that most Christians are just everyday people like atheists or whoever - certainly in western Europe - whom chose to live life as a half decent person.
The fundamentals of Christianity are actions not words, so just to throw a spanner into the works, the most selfless, Christian-like peoples that I've had the pleasure of meeting on this planet are actually Tibetan Buddhists!
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""I think the Christian persecution of Jews was going on a bit before the rise of the Nazis! The Nazi party just jumped on the bandwagon, they certainly were afraid of the Christian Church as the Vatican had a what might be called "a reasonable" relationship with the Nazi party."
But in many ways both today & throughout history the Vatican have behaved very unchristian-like ; - there's Christian & there's Christian! .
I think most Christians are just spiritual people in reality, they certainly don't follow the teachings of Christ on a day to day basis do they
Love your enemy, turn the other cheek.
In reality like all business's they look to expand their empire at all costs, even if it goes against the "teachings".
Like I said religious people have a habit of suspending rational thought though
I don't agree with that.
I think that most Christians are just everyday people like atheists or whoever - certainly in western Europe - whom chose to live life as a half decent person.
The fundamentals of Christianity are actions not words, so just to throw a spanner into the works, the most selfless, Christian-like peoples that I've had the pleasure of meeting on this planet are actually Tibetan Buddhists!
Love thy neighbour is the Fab motto too! "
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Well at least Tibetan Buddhists just set fire to themselves as a protest instead of others... So I guess that's a plus point.
Although there's other forms of Buddhism that mixed with Shintoism to help bring about kamikaze pilots.
Although one could argue that the only rational thing to do when you've only got enough fuel to fly there is to be a suicide bomber I guess! |
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Interesting posts latterly.
The psychology of people who are more inclined to believe in a religion or hold a spiritual sensibility is fascinating.
Gay people were more likely to die in the holocaust, compared to Jews, from what I've read before. But it's rarely mentioned - and do you think religions were tempted to intervene for their sake? |
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""I think the Christian persecution of Jews was going on a bit before the rise of the Nazis! The Nazi party just jumped on the bandwagon, they certainly were afraid of the Christian Church as the Vatican had a what might be called "a reasonable" relationship with the Nazi party."
But in many ways both today & throughout history the Vatican have behaved very unchristian-like ; - there's Christian & there's Christian! .
I think most Christians are just spiritual people in reality, they certainly don't follow the teachings of Christ on a day to day basis do they
Love your enemy, turn the other cheek.
In reality like all business's they look to expand their empire at all costs, even if it goes against the "teachings".
Like I said religious people have a habit of suspending rational thought though
I don't agree with that.
I think that most Christians are just everyday people like atheists or whoever - certainly in western Europe - whom chose to live life as a half decent person.
The fundamentals of Christianity are actions not words, so just to throw a spanner into the works, the most selfless, Christian-like peoples that I've had the pleasure of meeting on this planet are actually Tibetan Buddhists!
Love thy neighbour is the Fab motto too! .
Well at least Tibetan Buddhists just set fire to themselves as a protest instead of others... So I guess that's a plus point.
Although there's other forms of Buddhism that mixed with Shintoism to help bring about kamikaze pilots.
Although one could argue that the only rational thing to do when you've only got enough fuel to fly there is to be a suicide bomber I guess!"
I guess some are easier to brainwash into such acts than others, - but hardly religious acts! |
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"How can someones opinion, no matter how warped, be a crime "
Opinions are potentially neutral but it's feasible that they may also inflame or incite other activities. At one level it is potentially degrading to those like myself who have lost kindred souls and loved ones or who barely made it through alive.
There is evidence that several generations down people still carry the trauma of that horrendous episode.
I'm not one to support a slippery slope argument, which some may lodge as their justification. I do see that some things are so important that they should not be attempted for minimizing of their importance or airbrushing from history. |
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"How can someones opinion, no matter how warped, be a crime "
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I think that would obviously depend on what your opinions are!
We create laws as a society and opinions are obviously formed and moulded by society, so you could argue we have the laws that are shaped by our opinions and life experiences |
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"How can someones opinion, no matter how warped, be a crime .
I think that would obviously depend on what your opinions are!
We create laws as a society and opinions are obviously formed and moulded by society, so you could argue we have the laws that are shaped by our opinions and life experiences"
true. & undoubtedly it could also be said that some of our opinions are formed from a partly controlled media through censorship. |
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""I think the Christian persecution of Jews was going on a bit before the rise of the Nazis! The Nazi party just jumped on the bandwagon, they certainly were afraid of the Christian Church as the Vatican had a what might be called "a reasonable" relationship with the Nazi party."
But in many ways both today & throughout history the Vatican have behaved very unchristian-like ; - there's Christian & there's Christian! .
I think most Christians are just spiritual people in reality, they certainly don't follow the teachings of Christ on a day to day basis do they
Love your enemy, turn the other cheek.
In reality like all business's they look to expand their empire at all costs, even if it goes against the "teachings".
Like I said religious people have a habit of suspending rational thought though
I don't agree with that.
I think that most Christians are just everyday people like atheists or whoever - certainly in western Europe - whom chose to live life as a half decent person.
The fundamentals of Christianity are actions not words, so just to throw a spanner into the works, the most selfless, Christian-like peoples that I've had the pleasure of meeting on this planet are actually Tibetan Buddhists!
Love thy neighbour is the Fab motto too! .
Well at least Tibetan Buddhists just set fire to themselves as a protest instead of others... So I guess that's a plus point.
Although there's other forms of Buddhism that mixed with Shintoism to help bring about kamikaze pilots.
Although one could argue that the only rational thing to do when you've only got enough fuel to fly there is to be a suicide bomber I guess!
I guess some are easier to brainwash into such acts than others, - but hardly religious acts!"
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Beliefs have consequences I'm afraid, that's just a fact of history.
To pretend that religion doesn't make people do bad things through those unfounded beliefs is slightly naive!
Any bad person is capable of bad acts but if you want to get a good person to do bad things then religion will certainly help |
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"How can someones opinion, no matter how warped, be a crime .
I think that would obviously depend on what your opinions are!
We create laws as a society and opinions are obviously formed and moulded by society, so you could argue we have the laws that are shaped by our opinions and life experiences
true. & undoubtedly it could also be said that some of our opinions are formed from a partly controlled media through censorship. "
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I would absolutely agree with you!
I think the evidence of media ownership would show that people who have power want a media outlet for their opinion |
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"Interesting posts latterly.
The psychology of people who are more inclined to believe in a religion or hold a spiritual sensibility is fascinating.
Gay people were more likely to die in the holocaust, compared to Jews, from what I've read before. But it's rarely mentioned - and do you think religions were tempted to intervene for their sake? "
Not true. Read the research. |
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime.
I think it is a euphemism for racism, and I think it is right to treat it as any other race hate crime would be
I don't agree. They exterminated people irrespective of their race, but chose religion too and sexuality. They did include race, of course.
I think one may find most Jewish people consider themselves a race
They were not the "chosen" religion?
Many pride themselves upon their blood lines and this fact is one reason some other humans races and religions have a negative view "
Blame the victim. Excellent. |
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With so much genocide going on in the world in Africa, Iraq, Palestine and former eastern European countries we are only ever directed to the Holocaust.
Genocide is still happening by the Jewsish themselves today against the Palestine people but none of these offenders will ever face justice as this goes unpunished for some reason, yes what happened to the Jewish people was a terrible tragedy but Israel have just adopted the same bullying technique themselves with Palestine creating ghettos and systematically killing a weaker race.
Yes lots of countries need to be held accountable for their genocidal behaviour because killing any race is a holocaust."
True colours. Thank you. |
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"I believe it is wrong to make it a crime.
I think it is a euphemism for racism, and I think it is right to treat it as any other race hate crime would be
I don't agree. They exterminated people irrespective of their race, but chose religion too and sexuality. They did include race, of course.
I think one may find most Jewish people consider themselves a race
They were not the "chosen" religion?
Many pride themselves upon their blood lines and this fact is one reason some other humans races and religions have a negative view
Blame the victim. Excellent. "
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I could be wrong but I think he was pointing out that their God promised them the land that their currently occupying,I mean he declared them the "chosen ones" and its this "word" of God that allows them to do it.
Personally if I were Palestinian, I'd be a bit aggrieved about it, but then there busy killing homosexual's from their gods "word", in fact if your born homosexual in Palestine you'd be better off aposting to Jewish and moving to Israel but then there's the death penalty for apostasy as well, mmmm I guess your just fucked if your born gay in Palestine |
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As an aside, - wasn't one of the main reasons for the persecution of the Jews because of them clinging on to, & the non circulation of, their vast riches, which consequentially suppressed any chance of people pulling themselves out of dire poverty? |
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"As an aside, - wasn't one of the main reasons for the persecution of the Jews because of them clinging on to, & the non circulation of, their vast riches, which consequentially suppressed any chance of people pulling themselves out of dire poverty? "
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I do find it odd that holocaust denial is a crime, for it contradicts one of the basic principles of democracy, freedom of speech. Whether you agree or not, criminalising thought surely is not right. Instead they should be challenged in a transparent manner. |
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"As an aside, - wasn't one of the main reasons for the persecution of the Jews because of them clinging on to, & the non circulation of, their vast riches, which consequentially suppressed any chance of people pulling themselves out of dire poverty?
That was the perception at the time albeit a very stupid perception that continues to this day. "
why was it stupid & if so, what was the real reason behind it? |
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"As an aside, - wasn't one of the main reasons for the persecution of the Jews because of them clinging on to, & the non circulation of, their vast riches, which consequentially suppressed any chance of people pulling themselves out of dire poverty?
That was the perception at the time albeit a very stupid perception that continues to this day.
why was it stupid & if so, what was the real reason behind it?"
Because Hitler peddled perceptions such as these which in turn led to 7 million people murdered. He needed a scapegoat and the Jews were it.
Will leave the reasoning as to whether it was stupid up to you.
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"Jews seem to have powers beyond regular people on the street. Anyone questions anything they do and an you get blasted as antisemitic "
Aside from Israel and their Foreign Policy what do they get away with in other countries? |
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"Jews seem to have powers beyond regular people on the street. Anyone questions anything they do and an you get blasted as antisemitic "
"Seem to have powers"....has it not occurred to you that Jews can also be regular people on the street? |
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"Jews seem to have powers beyond regular people on the street. Anyone questions anything they do and an you get blasted as antisemitic
Aside from Israel and their Foreign Policy what do they get away with in other countries? "
And you can't move for people condemning Israeli foreign policy tbh. |
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"As an aside, - wasn't one of the main reasons for the persecution of the Jews because of them clinging on to, & the non circulation of, their vast riches, which consequentially suppressed any chance of people pulling themselves out of dire poverty?
That was the perception at the time albeit a very stupid perception that continues to this day.
why was it stupid & if so, what was the real reason behind it?
Because Hitler peddled perceptions such as these which in turn led to 7 million people murdered. He needed a scapegoat and the Jews were it.
Will leave the reasoning as to whether it was stupid up to you.
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But you never explained why he did that? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm genuinely interested. |
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"As an aside, - wasn't one of the main reasons for the persecution of the Jews because of them clinging on to, & the non circulation of, their vast riches, which consequentially suppressed any chance of people pulling themselves out of dire poverty?
That was the perception at the time albeit a very stupid perception that continues to this day.
why was it stupid & if so, what was the real reason behind it?
Because Hitler peddled perceptions such as these which in turn led to 7 million people murdered. He needed a scapegoat and the Jews were it.
Will leave the reasoning as to whether it was stupid up to you.
But you never explained why he did that? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm genuinely interested."
Have a look at "Why did Hitler hate the Jews" by Professor David Cesarani it's on Google. Pretty informative |
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"As an aside, - wasn't one of the main reasons for the persecution of the Jews because of them clinging on to, & the non circulation of, their vast riches, which consequentially suppressed any chance of people pulling themselves out of dire poverty?
That was the perception at the time albeit a very stupid perception that continues to this day.
why was it stupid & if so, what was the real reason behind it?
Because Hitler peddled perceptions such as these which in turn led to 7 million people murdered. He needed a scapegoat and the Jews were it.
Will leave the reasoning as to whether it was stupid up to you.
But you never explained why he did that? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm genuinely interested.
Have a look at "Why did Hitler hate the Jews" by Professor David Cesarani it's on Google. Pretty informative "
but I was asking you because you said that it was a stupid perception. |
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"As an aside, - wasn't one of the main reasons for the persecution of the Jews because of them clinging on to, & the non circulation of, their vast riches, which consequentially suppressed any chance of people pulling themselves out of dire poverty?
That was the perception at the time albeit a very stupid perception that continues to this day.
why was it stupid & if so, what was the real reason behind it?
Because Hitler peddled perceptions such as these which in turn led to 7 million people murdered. He needed a scapegoat and the Jews were it.
Will leave the reasoning as to whether it was stupid up to you.
But you never explained why he did that? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm genuinely interested.
Have a look at "Why did Hitler hate the Jews" by Professor David Cesarani it's on Google. Pretty informative but I was asking you because you said that it was a stupid perception. "
Because it wasn't true. |
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"As an aside, - wasn't one of the main reasons for the persecution of the Jews because of them clinging on to, & the non circulation of, their vast riches, which consequentially suppressed any chance of people pulling themselves out of dire poverty? "
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No Hitler actually played on the fact that about 10 of the Bundesbank directors were Jewish and the collapse of the Reich and the bank was fresh in peoples minds from the German depression while all the rest of us lived high on the hog in the 20s, it allowed him to propergate the old Jewish/gentile rivalry of biblical old.
The fact that Hitler completely trashed the unions allowing western money to flood into Germany during the great depression was one of his great triumphs (ring any bells).
Anyhow if you look on a chart on foreign investment under Hitler you'll see every single western conglomerate couldn't wait to invest in him ford/IBM/Dupont/G&E oh the investment on a graph was like 45 degrees or just like a Nazi salute |
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With so much genocide going on in the world in Africa, Iraq, Palestine and former eastern European countries we are only ever directed to the Holocaust.
Genocide is still happening by the Jewsish themselves today against the Palestine people but none of these offenders will ever face justice as this goes unpunished for some reason, yes what happened to the Jewish people was a terrible tragedy but Israel have just adopted the same bullying technique themselves with Palestine creating ghettos and systematically killing a weaker race.
Yes lots of countries need to be held accountable for their genocidal behaviour because killing any race is a holocaust.
True colours. Thank you."
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Free speech is for some an alluring prospect - a get out of jail card, where they can jettison any responsibility for the effects of what they say. We're not the USA, where I a am in the UK, and we have many restrictions concerning our motives as well as hate laws here, and we are open to the consequences of what we say.
Speech is a very powerful tool. It has helped move opinion, overturn unjust inequalities etc - it is right that we have some protections from what people may want to say, that help to restrain somewhat. Whilst I see the merit of living a life unbridled of constraints, we also need to hold responsibilities for our actions.
I see that some have gained fame from holocaust denial - a nasty pursuit, that's beyond cheap. It's probably worth delving into history to learn of the background motivation for passing laws against it. It's certainly clear that we should never forget the lessons from that period in our history. And no current or future genocide should ever be permitted, against any people. |
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"If one were to look at it in an objective sense, however, it opposes the ideology of free speech we hold so dear in the western world.
The incontrovertible evidence that the atrocities took place far outweigh any basis for denial. I do not believe for one second that any denial would in any way make any rational sense to most people
Jailing them only makes them martyrs. Jailing them makes it harder for us to hold up our society as founded on the right to free speech.
It's far easier to discredit them, show them to be fools, then simply ignore them."
Never ignore them. |
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I see that some have gained fame from holocaust denial - a nasty pursuit, that's beyond cheap. It's probably worth delving into history to learn of the background motivation for passing laws against it. It's certainly clear that we should never forget the lessons from that period in our history. And no current or future genocide should ever be permitted, against any people."
I don't think anyone will argue that genocide should ever be permitted, but the sad truth is that it's still happening today.
Other than the lack of gas chambers, the North Korean labour camps aren't very different to the Nazi concentration camps. There's genocide in Syria and parts of Africa.
Of course every time it happens the "internal situation" is "complicated" and we do tough talk and write them a strongly worded letter, but I don't see what's fundamentally changed to stop another holocaust other than it probably wouldn't happen in Europe. |
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The perspective that some others' lives are worthless is still with us, with atrocities happening for sure. It's hard to predict the future but I wouldn't rule too much out, as politics is fickle and mind control and influence appear reasonably easy for some, via propaganda. Tragic that life is cheapened and others aren't viewed as equals, just enemies to be destroyed. |
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"Just read about some 87 yo nazi woman being jailed for Holocaust denial
What do the panel think about this?
Is it a crime in UK or just EU?"
When the full horror of the Nazi camps was exposed, General Eisenhower requested that he wanted extensive documentation and photographic evidence, as one day, someone would deny it happened ! |
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With so much genocide going on in the world in Africa, Iraq, Palestine and former eastern European countries we are only ever directed to the Holocaust.
Genocide is still happening by the Jewsish themselves today against the Palestine people but none of these offenders will ever face justice as this goes unpunished for some reason, yes what happened to the Jewish people was a terrible tragedy but Israel have just adopted the same bullying technique themselves with Palestine creating ghettos and systematically killing a weaker race.
Yes lots of countries need to be held accountable for their genocidal behaviour because killing any race is a holocaust."
For several thousand years the Jews have been persecuted after being driven from their land.
They were spread to the 4 winds and then lived in Christain, Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu lands. They migrated to save themselves (does this ring any current bells?)
Since then they have always wanted to go home, like Scots, Irish and Welsh after the clearances. But they hadn't home, it was taken from them.
After thousands of years of oppression and in the 30's and 40's the holicaust (40's) it is perfectly understandable that they wanted to have a land that they could call home and that they could feel was under their control.
The fact that the League of Nations and the UN failed to deliver this causing Jews to return to Palestine, governed under mandate by the British to build a country. The blockade of this flow of migrants from Europe led to a war in Palestine with the British. The Israelis won, but ever since have been threatened with extinction by all the Arab countries surrounding them - indeed fighting many wars started by Syria or Egypt to defend themselves.
Now I will not apologise for the issues in Gaza and The West Bank, but a peaceful solution could be found if the Arab countries accepted Israels right to exist and also the rights of Palestinians to have a homeland.
As you can see this is complicated and cannot just be seen as Israelis being aggressive. They are surrounded by people that want them to cease to exist... |
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With so much genocide going on in the world in Africa, Iraq, Palestine and former eastern European countries we are only ever directed to the Holocaust.
Genocide is still happening by the Jewsish themselves today against the Palestine people but none of these offenders will ever face justice as this goes unpunished for some reason, yes what happened to the Jewish people was a terrible tragedy but Israel have just adopted the same bullying technique themselves with Palestine creating ghettos and systematically killing a weaker race.
Yes lots of countries need to be held accountable for their genocidal behaviour because killing any race is a holocaust.
For several thousand years the Jews have been persecuted after being driven from their land.
They were spread to the 4 winds and then lived in Christain, Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu lands. They migrated to save themselves (does this ring any current bells?)
Since then they have always wanted to go home, like Scots, Irish and Welsh after the clearances. But they hadn't home, it was taken from them.
After thousands of years of oppression and in the 30's and 40's the holicaust (40's) it is perfectly understandable that they wanted to have a land that they could call home and that they could feel was under their control.
The fact that the League of Nations and the UN failed to deliver this causing Jews to return to Palestine, governed under mandate by the British to build a country. The blockade of this flow of migrants from Europe led to a war in Palestine with the British. The Israelis won, but ever since have been threatened with extinction by all the Arab countries surrounding them - indeed fighting many wars started by Syria or Egypt to defend themselves.
Now I will not apologise for the issues in Gaza and The West Bank, but a peaceful solution could be found if the Arab countries accepted Israels right to exist and also the rights of Palestinians to have a homeland.
As you can see this is complicated and cannot just be seen as Israelis being aggressive. They are surrounded by people that want them to cease to exist..."
I think Israel really should apologize for its action in the west bank and Gaza, and act a little less like it's pursuing a policy of lebensraum. In all fairness, not every Arab country has sworn to destroy Israel. Jordan for one, where King Hussein actually worked with Israeli Intelligence to reduce the danger of effective attack from other Arab countries. Palestine, too, has recognized and agreed to work towards a working peace with Israel - indeed, Arafat and the PLO (and, by succession, the PA now too) recognized Israel's right to exist in peace in 1988. |
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I personaly know a former UN peace keeping soldier in Lebanon; - living on the other side of the planet , I was far removed from the shit that was going on there, - but my God, after the stories that I've heard about isreali brutality, it's hard to imagine that the constant telling of the nazi persecution of the Jews story is being used as a smokescreen for what they're inflicting apon the pallistinians;
Shame on anyone whose backed them & turned a blind eye to it all.
Otherwise they'd may as well say that Hitler was a top guy, right? ...........but I'd kick his ass at rugby ..............& pool ............ but perhaps not chess! |
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"If one were to look at it in an objective sense, however, it opposes the ideology of free speech we hold so dear in the western world.
The incontrovertible evidence that the atrocities took place far outweigh any basis for denial. I do not believe for one second that any denial would in any way make any rational sense to most people
Jailing them only makes them martyrs. Jailing them makes it harder for us to hold up our society as founded on the right to free speech.
It's far easier to discredit them, show them to be fools, then simply ignore them."
That is pretty much my view on the subject.
The other quite scary thing that is going on in Germany at the moment is that the government is going to court next year to try to ban the Neo Nazi NPD. These guys are the REAL far right and many are holocaust deniers.
I have no sympathy for their views but in a free society they have the same right to exist as any hard left party.
Banning any political party is the thin end of the wedge to a totalitarian one party state.
To quote Voltaire.
"I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it" |
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"I personaly know a former UN peace keeping soldier in Lebanon; - living on the other side of the planet , I was far removed from the shit that was going on there, - but my God, after the stories that I've heard about isreali brutality, it's hard to imagine that the constant telling of the nazi persecution of the Jews story is being used as a smokescreen for what they're inflicting apon the pallistinians;
Shame on anyone whose backed them & turned a blind eye to it all.
Otherwise they'd may as well say that Hitler was a top guy, right? ...........but I'd kick his ass at rugby ..............& pool ............ but perhaps not chess! "
You anti Semitic prick - thinking that because you quote a mate who was a UN peacekeeper it legitimising your vile hatred of Israel
Israel is the only torlerant democracy in the Middle East and is permanent in a state of emergency with Palestinians firing rockets into its homeland and Iran and others publicly declaring they wish to push the Jews into the sea
Yes they may be aggressive but it's a form of self defence |
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With so much genocide going on in the world in Africa, Iraq, Palestine and former eastern European countries we are only ever directed to the Holocaust.
Genocide is still happening by the Jewsish themselves today against the Palestine people but none of these offenders will ever face justice as this goes unpunished for some reason, yes what happened to the Jewish people was a terrible tragedy but Israel have just adopted the same bullying technique themselves with Palestine creating ghettos and systematically killing a weaker race.
Yes lots of countries need to be held accountable for their genocidal behaviour because killing any race is a holocaust.
For several thousand years the Jews have been persecuted after being driven from their land.
They were spread to the 4 winds and then lived in Christain, Muslim, Buddhist and Hindu lands. They migrated to save themselves (does this ring any current bells?)
Since then they have always wanted to go home, like Scots, Irish and Welsh after the clearances. But they hadn't home, it was taken from them.
After thousands of years of oppression and in the 30's and 40's the holicaust (40's) it is perfectly understandable that they wanted to have a land that they could call home and that they could feel was under their control.
The fact that the League of Nations and the UN failed to deliver this causing Jews to return to Palestine, governed under mandate by the British to build a country. The blockade of this flow of migrants from Europe led to a war in Palestine with the British. The Israelis won, but ever since have been threatened with extinction by all the Arab countries surrounding them - indeed fighting many wars started by Syria or Egypt to defend themselves.
Now I will not apologise for the issues in Gaza and The West Bank, but a peaceful solution could be found if the Arab countries accepted Israels right to exist and also the rights of Palestinians to have a homeland.
As you can see this is complicated and cannot just be seen as Israelis being aggressive. They are surrounded by people that want them to cease to exist...
I think Israel really should apologize for its action in the west bank and Gaza, and act a little less like it's pursuing a policy of lebensraum. In all fairness, not every Arab country has sworn to destroy Israel. Jordan for one, where King Hussein actually worked with Israeli Intelligence to reduce the danger of effective attack from other Arab countries. Palestine, too, has recognized and agreed to work towards a working peace with Israel - indeed, Arafat and the PLO (and, by succession, the PA now too) recognized Israel's right to exist in peace in 1988."
Yes but you forget gaza is not under PLO control - it's under Hamas control who don't value Israelis existence - hence e hundreds of rockets and ransoms standings of late
Simply put Israel is the line line of defence in the Middle East between the west and total Islamic tyranny |
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"Israel is the only torlerant democracy in the Middle East and is permanent in a state of emergency with Palestinians firing rockets into its homeland and Iran and others publicly declaring they wish to push the Jews into the sea
Yes they may be aggressive but it's a form of self defence."
As a former Israeli who has seen for myself what goes on in the west bank and how the Palestinian population is deliberately brutalized whilst their land is stolen, I'd just like to say that the quoted above is utter nonsense.
Israel is a democracy only if you're Jewish, and even then it's not particularly tolerant - much less so if you're Arab, even Israeli or Christian Arab.
The PLO has recognized Israel's right to exist in peace since 1988 and numerous peace deals have been negotiated only to be broken by Israel. As for Hamas, they were, in part, created by Hamossad to retain a state of perpetual militarisation of both sides and they do not represent ordinary people there - next time you go to Gaza, take a little time (as I have) to talk to the young people there and you'll quickly discover they're sick to death of those bearded nutters with guns. But I'm sure you'll ask me why Israel would help create such an enemy?... The simple fact is that Israel cannot afford to allow any kind of peace to become established because that would lead to recognised and demarcated borders beyond which they'd be unable to settle their ever growing immigrant population.
I remember the huge transit camps that were set up north of Netanya after the Berlin wall came down - people are still coming in today and they only place to house them is on Arab land, which the IDF annexes as military areas and then hands over to the settlers... basically it's lebensraum all over again and any lasting peace would halt that in its tracks... that's why Israel tried so very hard to block the PA from having a seat at the UN and the ICC. |
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"Israel is the only torlerant democracy in the Middle East and is permanent in a state of emergency with Palestinians firing rockets into its homeland and Iran and others publicly declaring they wish to push the Jews into the sea
Yes they may be aggressive but it's a form of self defence.
As a former Israeli who has seen for myself what goes on in the west bank and how the Palestinian population is deliberately brutalized whilst their land is stolen, I'd just like to say that the quoted above is utter nonsense.
Israel is a democracy only if you're Jewish, and even then it's not particularly tolerant - much less so if you're Arab, even Israeli or Christian Arab.
The PLO has recognized Israel's right to exist in peace since 1988 and numerous peace deals have been negotiated only to be broken by Israel. As for Hamas, they were, in part, created by Hamossad to retain a state of perpetual militarisation of both sides and they do not represent ordinary people there - next time you go to Gaza, take a little time (as I have) to talk to the young people there and you'll quickly discover they're sick to death of those bearded nutters with guns. But I'm sure you'll ask me why Israel would help create such an enemy?... The simple fact is that Israel cannot afford to allow any kind of peace to become established because that would lead to recognised and demarcated borders beyond which they'd be unable to settle their ever growing immigrant population.
I remember the huge transit camps that were set up north of Netanya after the Berlin wall came down - people are still coming in today and they only place to house them is on Arab land, which the IDF annexes as military areas and then hands over to the settlers... basically it's lebensraum all over again and any lasting peace would halt that in its tracks... that's why Israel tried so very hard to block the PA from having a seat at the UN and the ICC."
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Israel has motives that they're not so open about, I'm sure. Their power within the USA and globally is very strong. They don't walk their talk, to use an overused cliche. Unofficially a nuclear state but it's not investigated or ratified. And blocking Palestine from getting recognition as a state is improper.
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"Israel is the only torlerant democracy in the Middle East and is permanent in a state of emergency with Palestinians firing rockets into its homeland and Iran and others publicly declaring they wish to push the Jews into the sea
Yes they may be aggressive but it's a form of self defence.
As a former Israeli who has seen for myself what goes on in the west bank and how the Palestinian population is deliberately brutalized whilst their land is stolen, I'd just like to say that the quoted above is utter nonsense.
Israel is a democracy only if you're Jewish, and even then it's not particularly tolerant - much less so if you're Arab, even Israeli or Christian Arab.
The PLO has recognized Israel's right to exist in peace since 1988 and numerous peace deals have been negotiated only to be broken by Israel. As for Hamas, they were, in part, created by Hamossad to retain a state of perpetual militarisation of both sides and they do not represent ordinary people there - next time you go to Gaza, take a little time (as I have) to talk to the young people there and you'll quickly discover they're sick to death of those bearded nutters with guns. But I'm sure you'll ask me why Israel would help create such an enemy?... The simple fact is that Israel cannot afford to allow any kind of peace to become established because that would lead to recognised and demarcated borders beyond which they'd be unable to settle their ever growing immigrant population.
I remember the huge transit camps that were set up north of Netanya after the Berlin wall came down - people are still coming in today and they only place to house them is on Arab land, which the IDF annexes as military areas and then hands over to the settlers... basically it's lebensraum all over again and any lasting peace would halt that in its tracks... that's why Israel tried so very hard to block the PA from having a seat at the UN and the ICC.
That's a three thumber from Len
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People who have been bullied sometimes turn out to be bullies themselves as in the case of Israel, no one is taking away the horrific way the Jews were treated by Hitler & all sympathize with the loss of so many people.
Sadly Israel have now turned into a bully nation doing what they themselves have had done to them & the world is slowly desensitizing itself with their past because of their own brutal Nazi like behaviour to Palestine today.
People should remember the holocaust because it did really happen but also remember the Palestinians experiencing a similar plight today with no country fighting their corner.
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"If one were to look at it in an objective sense, however, it opposes the ideology of free speech we hold so dear in the western world.
The incontrovertible evidence that the atrocities took place far outweigh any basis for denial. I do not believe for one second that any denial would in any way make any rational sense to most people
Jailing them only makes them martyrs. Jailing them makes it harder for us to hold up our society as founded on the right to free speech.
It's far easier to discredit them, show them to be fools, then simply ignore them."
Agreed - free speech is vital - who decides it's the boundary crossed to inscite or inspire - having yesteryear modern day philosophers help. If we believed something to be true counter to evidence do we have the right to say it - Franklin / Galileo/Michelangelo//Picasso/madam Curie.....even autopsies were considered evil by some.... I think to allow them their speech / not to inscite hatred / pile in the evidence X |
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I really do hate the term 'the holocaust' as if it's the only time genocide has ever happened.. The crusades anyone, Palestine, Bosnia? It's not the Holocaust it is one of many! Back to the original point, denial of the abhorrent crimes against Jews should not be punished as being a neo nazi or a bigot in general. This is a free society and if David ike was free to believe he was god, let him! Imagine if we prosecuted everyone for their denials in life our prisons would be unable to cope.
People deny many atrocities throughout time and all your doing by making public issues of it, is then giving these people people a platform they do not deserve! |
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"People who have been bullied sometimes turn out to be bullies themselves as in the case of Israel, no one is taking away the horrific way the Jews were treated by Hitler & all sympathize with the loss of so many people.
Sadly Israel have now turned into a bully nation doing what they themselves have had done to them & the world is slowly desensitizing itself with their past because of their own brutal Nazi like behaviour to Palestine today.
People should remember the holocaust because it did really happen but also remember the Palestinians experiencing a similar plight today with no country fighting their corner.
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Hmmm, i think you are stretching the similarity between Industrial Genocide on the scale the Nazi's created and the partition of the West Bank and Gaza. The Israeli's are not gassing and murdering Palestinians, they are not using body parts for industrial purposes and they are not trying to wipe the Palestinians off the face of the planet - but maybe I just missed the similarity you can see... |
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"People who have been bullied sometimes turn out to be bullies themselves as in the case of Israel, no one is taking away the horrific way the Jews were treated by Hitler & all sympathize with the loss of so many people.
Sadly Israel have now turned into a bully nation doing what they themselves have had done to them & the world is slowly desensitizing itself with their past because of their own brutal Nazi like behaviour to Palestine today.
People should remember the holocaust because it did really happen but also remember the Palestinians experiencing a similar plight today with no country fighting their corner.
Hmmm, i think you are stretching the similarity between Industrial Genocide on the scale the Nazi's created and the partition of the West Bank and Gaza. The Israeli's are not gassing and murdering Palestinians, they are not using body parts for industrial purposes and they are not trying to wipe the Palestinians off the face of the planet - but maybe I just missed the similarity you can see..."
They do murder on a regular basis & use gas maybe not in chambers like the Nazi but in other methods & they would like to wipe out the Palestinians completely, you say it as though you condone what Israel are doing & its totally different if the people are Jews...
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"Happy Hanukkah people!
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It's not all bad Israel have been taking critical care cases from Syria as part of a humanitarian effort. And yesterday the King of Bahrain was lighting candles in celebration of Hanukkah. (Massive deal!)
It's the little things like these that give hope for the future.
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"Happy Hanukkah people!
It's not all bad Israel have been taking critical care cases from Syria as part of a humanitarian effort. And yesterday the King of Bahrain was lighting candles in celebration of Hanukkah. (Massive deal!)
It's the little things like these that give hope for the future.
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Those humanitarian efforts are not new. It's just that it's far more newsworthy when an Israeli kills a Palestinian than when 100,000 Muslims are killed by another kind of Muslim. |
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Ignorant fantasists would be a couple of words i'd use . Would love to meet someone who thinks like this . Could take me through it point by point as to where they have drawn their conclusions from and why . Did it start in school or from their parents ? Their social circle , their need for acceptance and at the same time rejection of a civil society thats fair to all regardless of religion and skin colour ? Is that concept threatening ? Or is it simply that they can't come to terms with the fact that we as a sepecies are capable of being so cruel and barbaric on an industrial scale towards each other over something that no one can defintively prove such as religion . I wonder if these people would be inclined to dismiss the atrocities of ISIS quite as quickly . I am of jewish descent , my grandfather was a polish jew who fled to the UK and did his part in fighting the nazis . Oddly enough im quite happy with people denying it happened as i would rather they were out there spouting their rhetoric than being behind closed doors poisoning minds at least if they are heard they can be answered and their arguments can be publically dismantled . |
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"Ignorant fantasists would be a couple of words i'd use . Would love to meet someone who thinks like this . Could take me through it point by point as to where they have drawn their conclusions from and why . Did it start in school or from their parents ? Their social circle , their need for acceptance and at the same time rejection of a civil society thats fair to all regardless of religion and skin colour ? Is that concept threatening ? Or is it simply that they can't come to terms with the fact that we as a sepecies are capable of being so cruel and barbaric on an industrial scale towards each other over something that no one can defintively prove such as religion . I wonder if these people would be inclined to dismiss the atrocities of ISIS quite as quickly . I am of jewish descent , my grandfather was a polish jew who fled to the UK and did his part in fighting the nazis . Oddly enough im quite happy with people denying it happened as i would rather they were out there spouting their rhetoric than being behind closed doors poisoning minds at least if they are heard they can be answered and their arguments can be publically dismantled . "
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You were just on another thread totally denying climate change despite wide evidence its occurring.
I think humans have terrible habits of ignoring one evidence while obviously seeing the other, mostly based upon on their personal bias. |
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emmmm did you read the rest of the post ? was a tongue in cheek thing , you know where i said climate change and jihadis arent the problem , its more boris and trump . sorry if it came across as a serious point . |
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"emmmm did you read the rest of the post ? was a tongue in cheek thing , you know where i said climate change and jihadis arent the problem , its more boris and trump . sorry if it came across as a serious point . "
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Yes I took it as a serious post, my mistake |
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"Now you see why cant more threads be like that ?? no one spat their dummy , everything was civil and no harm done !!! "
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No it was my mistake, you get a little used to reading the nonsense wrote on here occasionally I sometimes just take everything a bit to literally! |
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"I'd be up for imprisoning people on grounds of extreme wilful stupidity for more than just holocaust denial tbh, but it makes more sense to catch them young before they breed. "
And what execute them, there will always be a few who want to stand out and to shock, by there actions or what they say is how they do it, they don't believe in what they say they just want a reaction. nobody can deny the holocaust but a few think they can use it, nobody likes cutting peoples throats on TV " not sane people" but it got the attention of the world. Its sick but that's humans for you. |
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"I'd be up for imprisoning people on grounds of extreme wilful stupidity for more than just holocaust denial tbh, but it makes more sense to catch them young before they breed.
And what execute them, there will always be a few who want to stand out and to shock, by there actions or what they say is how they do it, they don't believe in what they say they just want a reaction. nobody can deny the holocaust but a few think they can use it, nobody likes cutting peoples throats on TV " not sane people" but it got the attention of the world. Its sick but that's humans for you."
Give me the Dalek's any day.
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