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"I'm not normally one to say I believe in killing people but yes that bastard had to be put down x"  agree 1 less piece of crap to worry about | |||
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"I'm not normally one to say I believe in killing people but yes that bastard had to be put down x" Again, not often I agree, even less often I comment; but, yes. | |||
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"High probability that He's been killed in an air strike. Good news?" Yes and I hope it's true. His character is a disgrace to and doesn't represent the religion he claims to be fighting for. | |||
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"It gets tricky when you start talking about killing citizens of your own country without due process. Although, I suppose in the UK the death penalty wouldn't even be an option, so you've got that problem, too. So the question boils down to whether our own citizens, fighting abroad, should be treated as criminals or enemy combatants. In all honesty, I'm a bit torn on the issue, but I lean in favor of seeing them as enemy combatants. -Courtney" well as it was the yanks that carried out the strike in retaliation for the beheading of one of thier journalists you don't have to worry one thing the yanks Israelis and ruskis get right hit one of ours and we will find you and we will carry out retribution scum like that done deserve due prosess | |||
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"It gets tricky when you start talking about killing citizens of your own country without due process. Although, I suppose in the UK the death penalty wouldn't even be an option, so you've got that problem, too. So the question boils down to whether our own citizens, fighting abroad, should be treated as criminals or enemy combatants. In all honesty, I'm a bit torn on the issue, but I lean in favor of seeing them as enemy combatants. -Courtneywell as it was the yanks that carried out the strike in retaliation for the beheading of one of thier journalists you don't have to worry one thing the yanks Israelis and ruskis get right hit one of ours and we will find you and we will carry out retribution scum like that done deserve due prosess " But the same could be said about a UK citizen who beheads someone in the UK. But they would still get their day in court. And yes, it was the Americans who carried out the air strike. I doubt, however, that they did it without telling the UK government first. But, as I said, it's not really worth me arguing since I lean towards _iewing them as enemy combatants in any case 
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"Let's wait and see, these drones don't always take out the intended target....." That just what I was thinking. But then again Ive probably been watching too much Homeland... | |||
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"Let's wait and see, these drones don't always take out the intended target..... That just what I was thinking. But then again Ive probably been watching too much Homeland..." Me too | |||
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"It gets tricky when you start talking about killing citizens of your own country without due process. Although, I suppose in the UK the death penalty wouldn't even be an option, so you've got that problem, too. So the question boils down to whether our own citizens, fighting abroad, should be treated as criminals or enemy combatants. In all honesty, I'm a bit torn on the issue, but I lean in favor of seeing them as enemy combatants. -Courtneywell as it was the yanks that carried out the strike in retaliation for the beheading of one of thier journalists you don't have to worry one thing the yanks Israelis and ruskis get right hit one of ours and we will find you and we will carry out retribution scum like that done deserve due prosess But the same could be said about a UK citizen who beheads someone in the UK. But they would still get their day in court. And yes, it was the Americans who carried out the air strike. I doubt, however, that they did it without telling the UK government first. But, as I said, it's not really worth me arguing since I lean towards _iewing them as enemy combatants in any case
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"Exactly right Courtney. Difficult for some to see, but there is a war going on and this person chose his side. And now, hopefully, has paid his dues. | |||
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"Will it make any difference " Nope ... ISIS leaders will shrug their shoulders, hand a sword to someone else, and call him "Jihadi Dave".  | |||
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"Good news, if it's true. " He didn't deserve such a sudden end, prolonged and painful, might have been more appropriate. | |||
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"Good news, if it's true. He didn't deserve such a sudden end, prolonged and painful, might have been more appropriate." my thoughts. | |||
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"Good news, if it's true. He didn't deserve such a sudden end, prolonged and painful, might have been more appropriate." who said it wasn't ? | |||
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"Good news, if it's true. He didn't deserve such a sudden end, prolonged and painful, might have been more appropriate." It would have been good to have captu_ed him, thrown him in a cage and set fire to him. Death from a drone strike is, however, and acceptable alternative. | |||
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"His name was jihadi John America dropped a bomb Now jihadi John Is Well He's gone " If you made out up on the spot.. Impressive.  | |||
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"His name was jihadi John America dropped a bomb Now jihadi John Is Well He's gone If you made out up on the spot.. Impressive. "Made it up... Wasn't asking if you made out! lol | |||
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"Good news, if it's true. He didn't deserve such a sudden end, prolonged and painful, might have been more appropriate.who said it wasn't ? " If he was in a normal car or lightly armou_ed vehicle that was hit by a drone launched missile you can be assu_ed that death was instantaneous. As his body was torn apart by the hig explosive warhead, most of the released blood and bodily fluids would have been instantly vapourised by heat. There would be little left of his body that would even resemble anything that was once human. | |||
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"Lets hope celebrating his death won't inspire a martyr.... "Indeed. It's not like one guy is dead and that's the end of it... | |||
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"Lets wait how long it is before the left wing media turn up and say it was wrong to kill a so called "british" man" Hard to have even conside_ed him a 'man'. Cowardly scum might be more appropriate. I hope is heaven is cold and his Virgins all have cocks and an insatiable appetite for his arse! | |||
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"Will it make any difference " Sadly no, there will be a thousand more jihadi john's out there ready to fill his boots | |||
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"Good news, if it's true. He didn't deserve such a sudden end, prolonged and painful, might have been more appropriate.who said it wasn't ? If he was in a normal car or lightly armou_ed vehicle that was hit by a drone launched missile you can be assu_ed that death was instantaneous. As his body was torn apart by the hig explosive warhead, most of the released blood and bodily fluids would have been instantly vapourised by heat. There would be little left of his body that would even resemble anything that was once human." this is my fear, I want him too suffer a lot a hell of a lot it's what he deserves. | |||
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"I'd much rather he had been captu_ed and stood trial." I must admit when things like this happen I always feel they have gotten away with it, he's at peace now and will never had to answer for his crimes | |||
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"Im indifferent. I dont really care. Its political and the media have their own ways of portraying things. Do i believe isis to be extremists? Yes. Do i believe what they doing is wrong? Yes. Do i believe in killing innocent people? No i dont. Do i believe everything that is fed through to me by the media? No. Because war makes money and it keeps control. The US invaded Iran because they had weapons of mass destruction and till today have not evidenced it. Was that extremist? Yes Did innocent people die? Yes Was what they did right? No You can slate me for this post all you like but im entitled to my opinion and you know what they say opinions and arseholes- we all have one "The US invaded Iran? What did I miss last night? 
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"Im indifferent. I dont really care. Its political and the media have their own ways of portraying things. Do i believe isis to be extremists? Yes. Do i believe what they doing is wrong? Yes. Do i believe in killing innocent people? No i dont. Do i believe everything that is fed through to me by the media? No. Because war makes money and it keeps control. The US invaded Iran because they had weapons of mass destruction and till today have not evidenced it. Was that extremist? Yes Did innocent people die? Yes Was what they did right? No You can slate me for this post all you like but im entitled to my opinion and you know what they say opinions and arseholes- we all have one
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"I'd much rather he had been captu_ed and stood trial." I have to say this is my (m) _iew too, however I'm far from sorry that he's dead. | |||
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"Will it make any difference Sadly no, there will be a thousand more jihadi john's out there ready to fill his boots " Dont think there is much of his boots left for anyone to wear | |||
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"I hope that despite the 'clinical' drone strike, he realises what was going on and had time to feel real pain, panic and misery before he shuffled off his mortal coil. Like all his ilk, cowardly bullies who deserve true karma. " | |||
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"I hope it is true & that he suffe_ed like the victims of this evil sadistic monster.. " Quite, my concern is that it would have been to quick. | |||
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"I think when people start to want to inflict pain and suffering... Then jihadi John has won!" This. 100% this. -Courtney | |||
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"I think when people start to want to inflict pain and suffering... Then jihadi John has won! This. 100% this. -Courtney" Sadly true 
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"I wish the media would stop the hype about him. It serves no purpose other than to glorify him to others who may also want that type of fame for themselves." This for me. Just another dead criminal. And he didn't get off easily...I believe in hell. | |||
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"I think when people start to want to inflict pain and suffering... Then jihadi John has won!" I don't think so. | |||
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"I think when people start to want to inflict pain and suffering... Then jihadi John has won! I don't think so." . It's the most primitive of instincts and not an endearing one!. He died believing what he did was right and just! Inflicting torture to change his beliefs is bollocks of the highest order. Inflicting torture to satisfy your own blood lust is morally corrupting of your own soul! | |||
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"High probability that He's been killed in an air strike. Good news?" if true then good, wild and out of control needed to be put down... saddens me daily what goes on in syria and iraq all those people suffering at the hands of ISIS... | |||
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"It gets tricky when you start talking about killing citizens of your own country without due process. Although, I suppose in the UK the death penalty wouldn't even be an option, so you've got that problem, too. So the question boils down to whether our own citizens, fighting abroad, should be treated as criminals or enemy combatants. In all honesty, I'm a bit torn on the issue, but I lean in favor of seeing them as enemy combatants. -Courtney" Nothing tricky about this at all. Up until the PC crowd moved in to politics the removal of capital punishment for all crimes and the repeal of the Treason Act it was a capital crime for any Subject of the Crown to bare arms against the Crown here or abroad. Maybe rather than looking for ways to give justification for his actions (implying he is an enemy soldier in a war because that is what an enemy combatant is) and reasons to blame our government and the USA for his being targeted and hopefully killed, you should be asking why our government over the past 30 years has been so hell bent on castrating our armed forces and removing our every protection from foreign threats? | |||
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"Now if only some one can bomb David Cameron x" He doesn't deserve to be killed. | |||
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"I think when people start to want to inflict pain and suffering... Then jihadi John has won! I don't think so.. It's the most primitive of instincts and not an endearing one!. He died believing what he did was right and just! Inflicting torture to change his beliefs is bollocks of the highest order. Inflicting torture to satisfy your own blood lust is morally corrupting of your own soul! " That's your opinion. One i don't share. | |||
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"Good news, if it's true. He didn't deserve such a sudden end, prolonged and painful, might have been more appropriate.who said it wasn't ? " He was hit with either a Paveway or a Hellfire so I'd he'd be dead Within a second after him hearing it. | |||
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"Now if only some one can bomb David Cameron x" What a scummy post. Whether you agree or disagree with his political _iews this is pathetic. Absolute horror me post. | |||
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"I hope that despite the 'clinical' drone strike, he realises what was going on and had time to feel real pain, panic and misery before he shuffled off his mortal coil. Like all his ilk, cowardly bullies who deserve true karma. " Unfortunately there is no chance that has happened. He would have known about it two to three seconds before he was hit and he'd be dead within one more second. | |||
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"No I don't think he is dead, it is another stunt from the US, believing he is dead like the same with bin laden, the news title is "they believe" meaning not 100% he is, if he is dead then we want evidence, not just words." Where to start with this  | |||
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"No I don't think he is dead, it is another stunt from the US, believing he is dead like the same with bin laden, the news title is "they believe" meaning not 100% he is, if he is dead then we want evidence, not just words. Where to start with this "From the start lol | |||
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"I think when people start to want to inflict pain and suffering... Then jihadi John has won! I don't think so.. It's the most primitive of instincts and not an endearing one!. He died believing what he did was right and just! Inflicting torture to change his beliefs is bollocks of the highest order. Inflicting torture to satisfy your own blood lust is morally corrupting of your own soul! That's your opinion. One i don't share." . Those aren't opinions... There facts! | |||
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"No I don't think he is dead, it is another stunt from the US, believing he is dead like the same with bin laden, the news title is "they believe" meaning not 100% he is, if he is dead then we want evidence, not just words." We won't get it though if he's been blown to smithereens | |||
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"No I don't think he is dead, it is another stunt from the US, believing he is dead like the same with bin laden, the news title is "they believe" meaning not 100% he is, if he is dead then we want evidence, not just words. We won't get it though if he's been blown to smithereens "That is right, we will see what they come up with. | |||
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"No I don't think he is dead, it is another stunt from the US, believing he is dead like the same with bin laden, the news title is "they believe" meaning not 100% he is, if he is dead then we want evidence, not just words. Where to start with this From the start lol"Ok. Utter nonsense. | |||
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"Athough I would like to think this ev man is dead. I don't think he is. I think it rumours and just when we think things are beginning to settle I think he will reappear. The only way of knowing he is dead it's to prove it. Show the world his dead corpse. Macarbe I know but that's the only way I will believe he is dead" Rumours? The Prime Minister has spoke about it this morning. He's not going tocommwnt on a rumour like that FFS. | |||
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"I think when people start to want to inflict pain and suffering... Then jihadi John has won! I don't think so.. It's the most primitive of instincts and not an endearing one!. He died believing what he did was right and just! Inflicting torture to change his beliefs is bollocks of the highest order. Inflicting torture to satisfy your own blood lust is morally corrupting of your own soul! That's your opinion. One i don't share.. Those aren't opinions... There facts!" No, that is your opinion. Not facts. | |||
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"I think when people start to want to inflict pain and suffering... Then jihadi John has won! I don't think so.. It's the most primitive of instincts and not an endearing one!. He died believing what he did was right and just! Inflicting torture to change his beliefs is bollocks of the highest order. Inflicting torture to satisfy your own blood lust is morally corrupting of your own soul! That's your opinion. One i don't share.. Those aren't opinions... There facts!" You have no proof, ergo no facts. | |||
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"No I don't think he is dead, it is another stunt from the US, believing he is dead like the same with bin laden, the news title is "they believe" meaning not 100% he is, if he is dead then we want evidence, not just words. Where to start with this From the start lol
Ok. Utter nonsense. "No it is not, it is called a different _iew point, just cos you don't agree. | |||
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"He was hit with either a Paveway or a Hellfire so I'd he'd be dead Within a second after him hearing it. " Not correct, if as stated on the news he was killed with a Hellfire missile he would have know nothing. The Hellfire being a supersonic missile nobody would have heard it arrive as the explosive blast would have drowned out the sonic boom of its arrival. Its like all HV weapons fire, if you hear it, it missed...  | |||
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"He was hit with either a Paveway or a Hellfire so I'd he'd be dead Within a second after him hearing it. Not correct, if as stated on the news he was killed with a Hellfire missile he would have know nothing. The Hellfire being a supersonic missile nobody would have heard it arrive as the explosive blast would have drowned out the sonic boom of its arrival. Its like all HV weapons fire, if you hear it, it missed... "You'd hear the whistling as it came towards you. | |||
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"No I don't think he is dead, it is another stunt from the US, believing he is dead like the same with bin laden, the news title is "they believe" meaning not 100% he is, if he is dead then we want evidence, not just words. Where to start with this From the start lol
Ok. Utter nonsense. No it is not, it is called a different _iew point, just cos you don't agree."It's utter fantasy then. | |||
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"No I don't think he is dead, it is another stunt from the US, believing he is dead like the same with bin laden, the news title is "they believe" meaning not 100% he is, if he is dead then we want evidence, not just words. Where to start with this From the start lol
Ok. Utter nonsense. No it is not, it is called a different _iew point, just cos you don't agree.
It's utter fantasy then. "Don't get me started on 9/11 lol, anyway we will see what the news will say later. | |||
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"He was hit with either a Paveway or a Hellfire so I'd he'd be dead Within a second after him hearing it. Not correct, if as stated on the news he was killed with a Hellfire missile he would have know nothing. The Hellfire being a supersonic missile nobody would have heard it arrive as the explosive blast would have drowned out the sonic boom of its arrival. Its like all HV weapons fire, if you hear it, it missed...
You'd hear the whistling as it came towards you. "No... Physics 101, you cant hear the sound of anything travelling towards you at SUPERSONIC speeds. Because the get to you BEFORE the sound. Thats why they are called supersonic.  | |||
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"He was hit with either a Paveway or a Hellfire so I'd he'd be dead Within a second after him hearing it. Not correct, if as stated on the news he was killed with a Hellfire missile he would have know nothing. The Hellfire being a supersonic missile nobody would have heard it arrive as the explosive blast would have drowned out the sonic boom of its arrival. Its like all HV weapons fire, if you hear it, it missed...
You'd hear the whistling as it came towards you.
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Physics 101, you cant hear the sound of anything travelling towards you at SUPERSONIC speeds. Because the get to you BEFORE the sound.
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"He was hit with either a Paveway or a Hellfire so I'd he'd be dead Within a second after him hearing it. Not correct, if as stated on the news he was killed with a Hellfire missile he would have know nothing. The Hellfire being a supersonic missile nobody would have heard it arrive as the explosive blast would have drowned out the sonic boom of its arrival. Its like all HV weapons fire, if you hear it, it missed...
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"I'd like to see proof ie his voddy hung up in the streets to show everyone that the scum bag is really dead " There will be no body. There may be "hint of terrorist" spread over a wide area though. | |||
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"I'd like to see proof ie his voddy hung up in the streets to show everyone that the scum bag is really dead There will be no body. There may be "hint of terrorist" spread over a wide area though." One could even paraphrase the song and say he is blowing in the wind! Personally, although I can see many benefits from capturing him alive holding him in prison, trying, convicting, dragging through the streets and giving him a Wallace type death before sending his broken body round the Realm as a warning to others (I know that would never happen because we are too civilised to do to others what they are doing to us ), I do see a certain logic and benefit in killing the leaders and figureheads of these international terrorist organisations with weapons that arrive so fast that they never hear or see them coming. | |||
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"He was hit with either a Paveway or a Hellfire so I'd he'd be dead Within a second after him hearing it. Not correct, if as stated on the news he was killed with a Hellfire missile he would have know nothing. The Hellfire being a supersonic missile nobody would have heard it arrive as the explosive blast would have drowned out the sonic boom of its arrival. Its like all HV weapons fire, if you hear it, it missed...
You'd hear the whistling as it came towards you. "If the missile is supersonic then it is travelling faster than sound so he would hear nothing other than an almighty bang for about a millisecond as it blew his bloody head off. Good riddance but I just wish it could have been slower and much more painful. Can't have everything I suppose. | |||
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And don't forget...Gordon Is A Moron Lol | |||
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"I definitely need to focus more...when I read the title of the thread I thought at first that it said JILTED John dead...I was gutted until I looked at it properly. Now it's a big from me.
And don't forget...Gordon Is A Moron Lol "This | |||
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"Will it make any difference " Probably not, but that's one less oxygen thief on the planet. My only hope is that he is not actually dead and has been spirited away by the sas to some hell hole, and is going to spend the rest of his miserable life in agony squealing like a pig, giving up all the information held has. Then they do a bricktop on him and feed his to the pig's. | |||
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"Will it make any difference Probably not, but that's one less oxygen thief on the planet. My only hope is that he is not actually dead and has been spirited away by the sas to some hell hole, and is going to spend the rest of his miserable life in agony squealing like a pig, giving up all the information held has. Then they do a bricktop on him and feed his to the pig's. " | |||
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"Will it make any difference Nope ... ISIS leaders will shrug their shoulders, hand a sword to someone else, and call him "Jihadi Dave". "That's my thoughts too. | |||
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"No sympathy with the animal at all, but we are supposed to be a civilised country. We have a legal system and due process. If they knew where he was and were able to strike in the way they did, would it really have been so difficult to detain him and bring him to trial? Charge him, convict him and maintain our civility? He is just one of many evil people looking to harm the west, this would have been his favou_ed way to go." As he was in syria at the time it would have been near impossible to arrest him as we don't legally have troops on the ground there. | |||
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What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
"No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised. | |||
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"Hard to feel any sympathy for someone who took delight in the barbaric murder of innocent people against all the principles of a religion he claimed to represent." this.. | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised."their families might not | |||
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"No sympathy with the animal at all, but we are supposed to be a civilised country. We have a legal system and due process. If they knew where he was and were able to strike in the way they did, would it really have been so difficult to detain him and bring him to trial? Charge him, convict him and maintain our civility? He is just one of many evil people looking to harm the west, this would have been his favou_ed way to go." it would have been massively difficult, he was taken out in Raqqa which is their stronghold.. to risk troops on the ground to capture him is not worth it and no leader would at the present time sanction it.. | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised.
their families might not "If I'd been asked I'd have gone in a heartbeat. Not to detain him though, to cut his head off and stitch it to the body of a pig! | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised.
their families might not
If I'd been asked I'd have gone in a heartbeat. Not to detain him though, to cut his head off and stitch it to the body of a pig!"oh, ok then | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised.
their families might not
If I'd been asked I'd have gone in a heartbeat. Not to detain him though, to cut his head off and stitch it to the body of a pig!"Like in the film "O lucky man"?! | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised.
their families might not
If I'd been asked I'd have gone in a heartbeat. Not to detain him though, to cut his head off and stitch it to the body of a pig!
Like in the film "O lucky man"?!"Never heard of it.. I'm upset that someone had the idea before me now... | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised.
their families might not
If I'd been asked I'd have gone in a heartbeat. Not to detain him though, to cut his head off and stitch it to the body of a pig!
Like in the film "O lucky man"?!
Never heard of it..
I'm upset that someone had the idea before me now... "Its like the best film ever!! | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised.
their families might not
If I'd been asked I'd have gone in a heartbeat. Not to detain him though, to cut his head off and stitch it to the body of a pig!
Like in the film "O lucky man"?!
Never heard of it..
I'm upset that someone had the idea before me now...
Its like the best film ever!! "I'm going to have to hunt it down now then... | |||
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"What does it matter, next week Jihadi Ringo will pop up." As long as he doesn't try and play the drums... | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised.
their families might not
If I'd been asked I'd have gone in a heartbeat. Not to detain him though, to cut his head off and stitch it to the body of a pig!
Like in the film "O lucky man"?!
Never heard of it..
I'm upset that someone had the idea before me now...
Its like the best film ever!!
I'm going to have to hunt it down now then... "Be prepa_ed.....its fucking weird! | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised.
their families might not
If I'd been asked I'd have gone in a heartbeat. Not to detain him though, to cut his head off and stitch it to the body of a pig!
Like in the film "O lucky man"?!
Never heard of it..
I'm upset that someone had the idea before me now...
Its like the best film ever!!
I'm going to have to hunt it down now then...
Be prepa_ed.....its fucking weird! "Iron Sky is one of my favourite films, I can handle weird... | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries" ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? | |||
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"the turkish government will disagree with you there i should imagine " Explain. | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? " Any citizen who joins a terrorist group | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group" I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless | |||
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"the turkish government will disagree with you there i should imagine Explain." the kurds don't have their own land, which is why the pkk have been waging a terrorist campaign in turkey for as long as i can remember. in any case, british ex-military have joined IVFOR and are fighting in syria. i just wonde_ed if the poster i quoted and commented on thought that expulsion from britian for those going to syria to fight should include them or not. personally i don't really care either way, but maybe what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander too. | |||
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"It gets tricky when you start talking about killing citizens of your own country without due process. Although, I suppose in the UK the death penalty wouldn't even be an option, so you've got that problem, too. So the question boils down to whether our own citizens, fighting abroad, should be treated as criminals or enemy combatants. In all honesty, I'm a bit torn on the issue, but I lean in favor of seeing them as enemy combatants. -Courtneywell as it was the yanks that carried out the strike in retaliation for the beheading of one of thier journalists you don't have to worry one thing the yanks Israelis and ruskis get right hit one of ours and we will find you and we will carry out retribution scum like that done deserve due prosess " Every one deserves due process, that's the whole point of it and what makes liberal, western democracies so much more stable and reliable societies than any others. With regard to Jihady John. He got what he deserved but, like Jeremy Corbyn said, I'd rather, if it had been or was possible, that he'd been brought before a court and faced justice there. I wouldn't shed any tears for him. | |||
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"Most comments are pretty 'jingoistic' about this subject and probably rightly so. Some comments about the remoteness of this alleged assassination. But, really think about this; Would you have killed this man face to face given the opportunity? " Given what happened in Paris, perhaps we should remember the Albigensian Crusade of the 13th centuary. "Kill them all. God will know his own". | |||
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"the turkish government will disagree with you there i should imagine Explain. the kurds don't have their own land, which is why the pkk have been waging a terrorist campaign in turkey for as long as i can remember. in any case, british ex-military have joined IVFOR and are fighting in syria. i just wonde_ed if the poster i quoted and commented on thought that expulsion from britian for those going to syria to fight should include them or not. personally i don't really care either way, but maybe what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander too." Well explained stance, Thankyou. | |||
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"High probability that He's been killed in an air strike. Good news?" Whilst I'm pleased to hear this . It concerns me that it may cause unrest and more revenge attacks. | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless " You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so Taking away citizenships of the handful who have demonstrated that they are the enemy within, can not only be made legal, but in my _iew, justifiable. It is certainly better than the calls of beheading people and stitching them on carcasses of pigs or of torturing them to death | |||
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"I was wondering how you'd take someone's citizenship away who was born here." Same way you take their liberty away or take their life | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so Taking away citizenships of the handful who have demonstrated that they are the enemy within, can not only be made legal, but in my _iew, justifiable. It is certainly better than the calls of beheading people and stitching them on carcasses of pigs or of torturing them to death" Right but we'd have to forgo our member ship of the Un and various other international agreements that grant you and I and every British citizen a considerable number of rights around the world. It's a case cutting your nose off to spite your face. What changes if a person goes to Syria to fight with or without a British passport? Either way they aren't coming back to anything but a jail cell | |||
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"I was wondering how you'd take someone's citizenship away who was born here. Same way you take their liberty away or take their life" Oh i thought you ment like taking away their dual nationality passport if they had been an immigrant. | |||
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"Detain him
What a load of nonsense, it's okay sitting in the safety of a living room suggesting others risk their life to go and get him.
Click a button and he has gone to paradise.
No, i do understand that. I'm an army brat - i understand the possible costs. But if you think there is a soldier in the country who wouldn't have given his right arm for the chance to bring him to justice, i think you'd be surprised.
their families might not
If I'd been asked I'd have gone in a heartbeat. Not to detain him though, to cut his head off and stitch it to the body of a pig!"How does that make you any better than him? | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so Taking away citizenships of the handful who have demonstrated that they are the enemy within, can not only be made legal, but in my _iew, justifiable. It is certainly better than the calls of beheading people and stitching them on carcasses of pigs or of torturing them to death" making people outlaws will achieve what exactly? apart from galvanising their resolve to continue with what they believe in ..... you clearly haven't thought this through in any rational kind of way. | |||
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"I think when people start to want to inflict pain and suffering... Then jihadi John has won! This. 100% this. -Courtney Sadly it's true but in order to stand a chance of beating these 'people' (I use the term loosely) we may have to sink to their level a little bit. They currently have little to fear from us because we're far too civilised in our response. They can usually either expect a quick, painless end or capture, trial and an easy time in prison. While they freely commit the most atrocious acts and crimes with no fear of the consequences." If we 'sink to their level' then why even bother fighting them. If we're going to be like them anyway why not just give in now and save all the hassle. | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so Taking away citizenships of the handful who have demonstrated that they are the enemy within, can not only be made legal, but in my _iew, justifiable. It is certainly better than the calls of beheading people and stitching them on carcasses of pigs or of torturing them to death Right but we'd have to forgo our member ship of the Un and various other international agreements that grant you and I and every British citizen a considerable number of rights around the world. It's a case cutting your nose off to spite your face. What changes if a person goes to Syria to fight with or without a British passport? Either way they aren't coming back to anything but a jail cell" I don't see it as cutting ones nose to spite ones face. Unless we are talking about tens of thousands of home-grown Muslim terrorists But since we are talking not of tens of thousands of people but merely a handful of such people, this can easily be achieved Putting someone in prision for a couple of months or a couple of years is not any deterrent for someone who is prepa_ed to strap a bomb around their waist | |||
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" I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so " I have not read lots of this thread, but I wanted to point out that what you say about the internment of Japanese Americans is incorrect. Not only was it opposed to international law (you have to recognize the distinction between national and international law), but it was later decla_ed to have been wrong by America and reparations were paid. Things are not legal just because a state claims they are. That is utterly ridiculous. And if it were true, then the Nuremberg trials would have been baseless and meaningless. -Courtney | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so Taking away citizenships of the handful who have demonstrated that they are the enemy within, can not only be made legal, but in my _iew, justifiable. It is certainly better than the calls of beheading people and stitching them on carcasses of pigs or of torturing them to death making people outlaws will achieve what exactly? apart from galvanising their resolve to continue with what they believe in ..... you clearly haven't thought this through in any rational kind of way." People who join terrorist groups are already outlaws. I prefer sending them away instead of killing them or torturing them or allowing them to kill us or torture us Ofcourse, we could continue doing what we have done so far; nothing. Maybe they will have a change of heart after they kill a few thousand more | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so Taking away citizenships of the handful who have demonstrated that they are the enemy within, can not only be made legal, but in my _iew, justifiable. It is certainly better than the calls of beheading people and stitching them on carcasses of pigs or of torturing them to death Right but we'd have to forgo our member ship of the Un and various other international agreements that grant you and I and every British citizen a considerable number of rights around the world. It's a case cutting your nose off to spite your face. What changes if a person goes to Syria to fight with or without a British passport? Either way they aren't coming back to anything but a jail cell I don't see it as cutting ones nose to spite ones face. Unless we are talking about tens of thousands of home-grown Muslim terrorists But since we are talking not of tens of thousands of people but merely a handful of such people, this can easily be achieved Putting someone in prision for a couple of months or a couple of years is not any deterrent for someone who is prepa_ed to strap a bomb around their waist" What are you talking about? What you're discussing is not home grown terrorists or anything of the sort you're discussing withdrawing from major international organisations and sacrificing the protections that affords all British citizens abroad so you can take away the passports of (in your own words) a handful of people. A hand full of people who if they tried to return to the UK with their passport would be screwed anyway. .what do you think taking their passports away would achieve? | |||
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"I'm not normally one to say I believe in killing people but yes that bastard had to be put down x" I would be liked to have seen him captu_ed and brought back to the UK for trail and been made to answer for his crimes. | |||
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" I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so I have not read lots of this thread, but I wanted to point out that what you say about the internment of Japanese Americans is incorrect. Not only was it opposed to international law (you have to recognize the distinction between national and international law), but it was later decla_ed to have been wrong by America and reparations were paid. Things are not legal just because a state claims they are. That is utterly ridiculous. And if it were true, then the Nuremberg trials would have been baseless and meaningless. -Courtney" And what is your suggestion? Kill them? Torture them to death? Behead them and stitch their heads on pig carcasses? My apologies but I don't want to be party to those kind of 'solutions' | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so Taking away citizenships of the handful who have demonstrated that they are the enemy within, can not only be made legal, but in my _iew, justifiable. It is certainly better than the calls of beheading people and stitching them on carcasses of pigs or of torturing them to death Right but we'd have to forgo our member ship of the Un and various other international agreements that grant you and I and every British citizen a considerable number of rights around the world. It's a case cutting your nose off to spite your face. What changes if a person goes to Syria to fight with or without a British passport? Either way they aren't coming back to anything but a jail cell I don't see it as cutting ones nose to spite ones face. Unless we are talking about tens of thousands of home-grown Muslim terrorists But since we are talking not of tens of thousands of people but merely a handful of such people, this can easily be achieved Putting someone in prision for a couple of months or a couple of years is not any deterrent for someone who is prepa_ed to strap a bomb around their waist What are you talking about? What you're discussing is not home grown terrorists or anything of the sort you're discussing withdrawing from major international organisations and sacrificing the protections that affords all British citizens abroad so you can take away the passports of (in your own words) a handful of people. A hand full of people who if they tried to return to the UK with their passport would be screwed anyway. .what do you think taking their passports away would achieve? " I must have missed your suggestion. Which was, what? | |||
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" I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so I have not read lots of this thread, but I wanted to point out that what you say about the internment of Japanese Americans is incorrect. Not only was it opposed to international law (you have to recognize the distinction between national and international law), but it was later decla_ed to have been wrong by America and reparations were paid. Things are not legal just because a state claims they are. That is utterly ridiculous. And if it were true, then the Nuremberg trials would have been baseless and meaningless. -Courtney And what is your suggestion? Kill them? Torture them to death? Behead them and stitch their heads on pig carcasses? My apologies but I don't want to be party to those kind of 'solutions'" If you read my comments earlier in the thread you would see that I don't agree with any of that. Try reading my previous comments before you assume I want to torture people. But I also would like facts discussed on here as facts. Not assumptions. If you don't know enough about an issue, like the internment of Japanese Americans, then don't bring it up. -Courtney | |||
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" People who join terrorist groups are already outlaws. " .... wrong " I prefer sending them away instead of killing them or torturing them" send them where exactly? .... antarctica? coventry? you're talking utter nonsense now | |||
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" People who join terrorist groups are already outlaws. .... wrong I prefer sending them away instead of killing them or torturing them send them where exactly? .... antarctica? coventry? you're talking utter nonsense now" Can you tone down your personal attacks, just a tad; not by much, but just a little bit, please | |||
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"Now if only some one can bomb David Cameron x" Bit harsh? Tony Blair maybe? | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so Taking away citizenships of the handful who have demonstrated that they are the enemy within, can not only be made legal, but in my _iew, justifiable. It is certainly better than the calls of beheading people and stitching them on carcasses of pigs or of torturing them to death Right but we'd have to forgo our member ship of the Un and various other international agreements that grant you and I and every British citizen a considerable number of rights around the world. It's a case cutting your nose off to spite your face. What changes if a person goes to Syria to fight with or without a British passport? Either way they aren't coming back to anything but a jail cell I don't see it as cutting ones nose to spite ones face. Unless we are talking about tens of thousands of home-grown Muslim terrorists But since we are talking not of tens of thousands of people but merely a handful of such people, this can easily be achieved Putting someone in prision for a couple of months or a couple of years is not any deterrent for someone who is prepa_ed to strap a bomb around their waist What are you talking about? What you're discussing is not home grown terrorists or anything of the sort you're discussing withdrawing from major international organisations and sacrificing the protections that affords all British citizens abroad so you can take away the passports of (in your own words) a handful of people. A hand full of people who if they tried to return to the UK with their passport would be screwed anyway. .what do you think taking their passports away would achieve? I must have missed your suggestion. Which was, what?" Continue as we are? Taking their passports achieves literally nothing. But costs us severely. So it's a stupid step to take | |||
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"Any citizen who joins a terrorist group should have their citizenship rescinded and if they are not already abroad with that terrorist group, should be deported to those countries ....and that includes the british ex-army members who have gone to perpetuate the violence? Any citizen who joins a terrorist group I belive you cannot legally make a person stateless You can legally do whatever you want as long as your laws permit you to. Laws need to be proposed, debated and passed The internment of Japanese Americans by America was legal. Because, they say so Taking away citizenships of the handful who have demonstrated that they are the enemy within, can not only be made legal, but in my _iew, justifiable. It is certainly better than the calls of beheading people and stitching them on carcasses of pigs or of torturing them to death Right but we'd have to forgo our member ship of the Un and various other international agreements that grant you and I and every British citizen a considerable number of rights around the world. It's a case cutting your nose off to spite your face. What changes if a person goes to Syria to fight with or without a British passport? Either way they aren't coming back to anything but a jail cell I don't see it as cutting ones nose to spite ones face. Unless we are talking about tens of thousands of home-grown Muslim terrorists But since we are talking not of tens of thousands of people but merely a handful of such people, this can easily be achieved Putting someone in prision for a couple of months or a couple of years is not any deterrent for someone who is prepa_ed to strap a bomb around their waist What are you talking about? What you're discussing is not home grown terrorists or anything of the sort you're discussing withdrawing from major international organisations and sacrificing the protections that affords all British citizens abroad so you can take away the passports of (in your own words) a handful of people. A hand full of people who if they tried to return to the UK with their passport would be screwed anyway. .what do you think taking their passports away would achieve? I must have missed your suggestion. Which was, what? Continue as we are? Taking their passports achieves literally nothing. But costs us severely. So it's a stupid step to take" It stops people from returning here after they have been trained to kill hund_eds of innocent people What was your suggestion? | |||
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" People who join terrorist groups are already outlaws. .... wrong I prefer sending them away instead of killing them or torturing them send them where exactly? .... antarctica? coventry? you're talking utter nonsense now Can you tone down your personal attacks, just a tad; not by much, but just a little bit, please if you truely believe that any of that was a personal attack then you know where the report button is don't you?" I am not going to get into a slanging match with you. You win | |||
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" People who join terrorist groups are already outlaws. .... wrong I prefer sending them away instead of killing them or torturing them send them where exactly? .... antarctica? coventry? you're talking utter nonsense now Can you tone down your personal attacks, just a tad; not by much, but just a little bit, please if you truely believe that any of that was a personal attack then you know where the report button is don't you? I am not going to get into a slanging match with you. You win" No one who spells truly as truely wins | |||
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"Nuke them all "
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" People who join terrorist groups are already outlaws. .... wrong I prefer sending them away instead of killing them or torturing them send them where exactly? .... antarctica? coventry? you're talking utter nonsense now Can you tone down your personal attacks, just a tad; not by much, but just a little bit, please if you truely believe that any of that was a personal attack then you know where the report button is don't you? I am not going to get into a slanging match with you. You win No one who spells truly as truely wins "but the grammer police will always be losers | |||
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" People who join terrorist groups are already outlaws. .... wrong I prefer sending them away instead of killing them or torturing them send them where exactly? .... antarctica? coventry? you're talking utter nonsense now Can you tone down your personal attacks, just a tad; not by much, but just a little bit, please if you truely believe that any of that was a personal attack then you know where the report button is don't you? I am not going to get into a slanging match with you. You win No one who spells truly as truely wins " | |||
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