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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Couple of months ago I bought a new van from a showroom that turned out to be clocked 60 thousand miles. Now after a lot of hassle I got my money back.
Anyway, when I bought the van he offered to tax it for me so I agreed. I paid £250 to tax a van I had for one month.
Turns out the guy didn't send the log book off and I wasn't the registered keeper. So dvla won't refund me my tax money.
So I've been calling this guy and every time he lies to me about paying the tax back. Anyway now he has started ignoring my calls.
I've got to the point now where I have lost patience and I'm going to his showroom on weekend to bollock him.
What would you do??
I'm not a violent person but this guy is kind of asking for it right?
His showroom will have cctv though so not sure what to do.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Thumping someone never sorts out your problems 
You are more than likely going to end up arrested and charged and in even more shit than you already are.
Your best recouse is to go there and sort it out, tell him you're taping the conversation, and say you're prepared to go to small claims court and local council over the issue. |
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The courts like to see proper procedure followed.
I'd send off a letter demanding my money back via registered post.
Wait for a month (as I'd assume there would be no response and the courts like you to wait 1 month for a response) and then file a claim at small claims court. |
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If you have proof that he had the money from you report him to the police and explain the complete circumstances, as I am sure he has committed a number of offences of fraud and I am sure your local plod will be more than happy to feel his collar and introduce him to a criminal record.  |
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"Couple of months ago I bought a new van from a showroom that turned out to be clocked 60 thousand miles. Now after a lot of hassle I got my money back.
Anyway, when I bought the van he offered to tax it for me so I agreed. I paid £250 to tax a van I had for one month.
Turns out the guy didn't send the log book off and I wasn't the registered keeper. So dvla won't refund me my tax money.
So I've been calling this guy and every time he lies to me about paying the tax back. Anyway now he has started ignoring my calls.
I've got to the point now where I have lost patience and I'm going to his showroom on weekend to bollock him.
What would you do??
I'm not a violent person but this guy is kind of asking for it right?
His showroom will have cctv though so not sure what to do.
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Small claim,s court is your only sensible option. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If you say he's got a showroom, no doubt he won't want his other potential customers hearing what you have to say. Wait till he's talking to a customer, and suggest you both talk it over in his office, in private. |
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If you have a receipt then do it legally.
Ifyou do not have a receipt :- follow him away from the cctv and punch his fucking lights out.
You have to be satisfied that the damage you do to him is £250 worth.
Then be a bit more savvy next time. |
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Small claims court is best, but only if you have the required documentation as proof of purchase and that money was handed over for the tax.
If you don't have any of this, your chances are slim. Therefore, if he has a showroom and there are vehicles parked outside, invest £20 for the time a local twat to introduce paint stripper to the bonnet of some of his other vehicles during the dark hours…..  |
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By *ivnwcplCouple
over a year ago
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"Couple of months ago I bought a new van from a showroom that turned out to be clocked 60 thousand miles. Now after a lot of hassle I got my money back.
Anyway, when I bought the van he offered to tax it for me so I agreed. I paid £250 to tax a van I had for one month.
Turns out the guy didn't send the log book off and I wasn't the registered keeper. So dvla won't refund me my tax money.
So I've been calling this guy and every time he lies to me about paying the tax back. Anyway now he has started ignoring my calls.
I've got to the point now where I have lost patience and I'm going to his showroom on weekend to bollock him.
What would you do??
I'm not a violent person but this guy is kind of asking for it right?
His showroom will have cctv though so not sure what to do.
????
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"Drive a van right up his shitter.
This is a little harsh. "
I had just finished my third consecutive coffee as I wrote that and was a little over excited. In hindsight I think a light weight motor cycle may have been more appropriate. I apologise. |
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"Couple of months ago I bought a new van from a showroom that turned out to be clocked 60 thousand miles. Now after a lot of hassle I got my money back.
Anyway, when I bought the van he offered to tax it for me so I agreed. I paid £250 to tax a van I had for one month.
Turns out the guy didn't send the log book off and I wasn't the registered keeper. So dvla won't refund me my tax money.
So I've been calling this guy and every time he lies to me about paying the tax back. Anyway now he has started ignoring my calls.
I've got to the point now where I have lost patience and I'm going to his showroom on weekend to bollock him.
What would you do??
I'm not a violent person but this guy is kind of asking for it right?
His showroom will have cctv though so not sure what to do.
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Well done on getting your money back, I remember that thread
Whatever you did then worked, so do the same again.
If you can prove he took the money, and didn't tax the van in your name, I'd have thought that was fraud. Perhaps threatening to phone the police on your mobile, when in his showroom, very LOUDLY (but calmly) might help? Especially if it's busy.
He's not worth anything else.
Good luck
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Couple of months ago I bought a new van from a showroom that turned out to be clocked 60 thousand miles. Now after a lot of hassle I got my money back.
Anyway, when I bought the van he offered to tax it for me so I agreed. I paid £250 to tax a van I had for one month.
Turns out the guy didn't send the log book off and I wasn't the registered keeper. So dvla won't refund me my tax money.
So I've been calling this guy and every time he lies to me about paying the tax back. Anyway now he has started ignoring my calls.
I've got to the point now where I have lost patience and I'm going to his showroom on weekend to bollock him.
What would you do??
I'm not a violent person but this guy is kind of asking for it right?
His showroom will have cctv though so not sure what to do.
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Park across the entrance be very loud about how he fraudulently took payment for tax when he didn't. (Didn't think tax was transferable now these days anyway)
Try and wait till there's a few customer's in too |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I would certainly contact trading standards as he may have a track record of doing this..If he has done it once chances are he has done it before and will do again.Also ring Citizens advice or look at their website as sometimes they have the information you need on there.
Does he own the company,if not find out who does via Company House website which lists names and directors of companies.. Any further communication between you and him needs to be documented in case you go
to court, as they will need evidence be it email or letters. Good luck. |
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Unfortunately the police wouldn't be able to do anything about the money as it is classed as a civil dispute rather than a police matter so if I was you id take professional legal advice about how to go about claiming your money back.
On the other hand if you can prove that he fraudulently fixed the miles, that could be a police matter. So assess your evidence (making sure there is nothing there that could get you in hot water) and consider reporting that to the police.
Whatever you do don't lose the high ground by using violence as tempting as it is x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hi thanks for all the above coments, sorry for not replying sooner but work was hectic.
To be honest, small claims is not worth my time for £250 and he knows it. And trading standards was no help whatsoever with getting my money back for the van.
I got the money back for the van cause he knew he didn't have a leg to stand on.
He's not stupid he knows it's not worth my time taking legal action for £250 tax.
The guy has not even apologised once for selling me a clocked van or forgetting to send the log book off. He's a complete ****!
I'm going to his showroom on Saturday to catch him off guard and tell him what I think of him and his business. And like some have mentioned above I will let every potential customer know what he did.
Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol |
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"Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol "
Seriously?
Sorry but this makes you sound like a teenager who is unable to handle things in an adult manner.
Why on earth do you want to provoke violence?
Nita |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol
Seriously?
Sorry but this makes you sound like a teenager who is unable to handle things in an adult manner.
Why on earth do you want to provoke violence?
Nita "
Lol yeah I agree it is like a teenager but sod it!
I've tried the adult way and its been getting me nowhere! This has been going on for months and I've had enough!
He's an arsehole who sells clocked cars and vans ripping people off and thinks he can get away with it.
Running out of realistic options....
Either leave it and forget about the money and principle.
Or go and let him know you can't treat people the way he has and get away with it.
I work hard every day for my money in a honest job, I'm not being stolen off! |
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"Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol
Seriously?
Sorry but this makes you sound like a teenager who is unable to handle things in an adult manner.
Why on earth do you want to provoke violence?
Nita
Lol yeah I agree it is like a teenager but sod it!
I've tried the adult way and its been getting me nowhere! This has been going on for months and I've had enough!
He's an arsehole who sells clocked cars and vans ripping people off and thinks he can get away with it.
Running out of realistic options....
Either leave it and forget about the money and principle.
Or go and let him know you can't treat people the way he has and get away with it.
I work hard every day for my money in a honest job, I'm not being stolen off! "
How did you tax it? Didn't you have the new keepers paperwork with a reference number on it? Check on line if it's still taxed on the .gov site? |
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"Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol
Seriously?
Sorry but this makes you sound like a teenager who is unable to handle things in an adult manner.
Why on earth do you want to provoke violence?
Nita
Lol yeah I agree it is like a teenager but sod it!
I've tried the adult way and its been getting me nowhere! This has been going on for months and I've had enough!
He's an arsehole who sells clocked cars and vans ripping people off and thinks he can get away with it.
Running out of realistic options....
Either leave it and forget about the money and principle.
Or go and let him know you can't treat people the way he has and get away with it.
I work hard every day for my money in a honest job, I'm not being stolen off! "
your honest job could be in jeopardy if you lamp him and get nicked..
why lower yourself..
frustrating as it clearly is, use the above advice..
good luck |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol
Seriously?
Sorry but this makes you sound like a teenager who is unable to handle things in an adult manner.
Why on earth do you want to provoke violence?
Nita
Lol yeah I agree it is like a teenager but sod it!
I've tried the adult way and its been getting me nowhere! This has been going on for months and I've had enough!
He's an arsehole who sells clocked cars and vans ripping people off and thinks he can get away with it.
Running out of realistic options....
Either leave it and forget about the money and principle.
Or go and let him know you can't treat people the way he has and get away with it.
I work hard every day for my money in a honest job, I'm not being stolen off!
How did you tax it? Didn't you have the new keepers paperwork with a reference number on it? Check on line if it's still taxed on the .gov site?"
I bought the van from a showroom, it was only 2 years old. He said he could tax it for me, so I agreed.
He did pay a year tax, but he didn't send the log book off so dvla won't talk to me about the van or tax.
So he needs to claim the tax back himself and give me it. This was weeks and weeks ago and he is ignoring my calls.
I honestly have been so patient with this guy and possibly this is why he thinks he can walk all over me.
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"Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol
Seriously?
Sorry but this makes you sound like a teenager who is unable to handle things in an adult manner.
Why on earth do you want to provoke violence?
Nita
Lol yeah I agree it is like a teenager but sod it!
I've tried the adult way and its been getting me nowhere! This has been going on for months and I've had enough!
He's an arsehole who sells clocked cars and vans ripping people off and thinks he can get away with it.
Running out of realistic options....
Either leave it and forget about the money and principle.
Or go and let him know you can't treat people the way he has and get away with it.
I work hard every day for my money in a honest job, I'm not being stolen off!
How did you tax it? Didn't you have the new keepers paperwork with a reference number on it? Check on line if it's still taxed on the .gov site?
I bought the van from a showroom, it was only 2 years old. He said he could tax it for me, so I agreed.
He did pay a year tax, but he didn't send the log book off so dvla won't talk to me about the van or tax.
So he needs to claim the tax back himself and give me it. This was weeks and weeks ago and he is ignoring my calls.
I honestly have been so patient with this guy and possibly this is why he thinks he can walk all over me.
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Oh I understand, sorry I misread the first bit. So you gave him the money to tax it? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol
Seriously?
Sorry but this makes you sound like a teenager who is unable to handle things in an adult manner.
Why on earth do you want to provoke violence?
Nita
Lol yeah I agree it is like a teenager but sod it!
I've tried the adult way and its been getting me nowhere! This has been going on for months and I've had enough!
He's an arsehole who sells clocked cars and vans ripping people off and thinks he can get away with it.
Running out of realistic options....
Either leave it and forget about the money and principle.
Or go and let him know you can't treat people the way he has and get away with it.
I work hard every day for my money in a honest job, I'm not being stolen off!
How did you tax it? Didn't you have the new keepers paperwork with a reference number on it? Check on line if it's still taxed on the .gov site?
I bought the van from a showroom, it was only 2 years old. He said he could tax it for me, so I agreed.
He did pay a year tax, but he didn't send the log book off so dvla won't talk to me about the van or tax.
So he needs to claim the tax back himself and give me it. This was weeks and weeks ago and he is ignoring my calls.
I honestly have been so patient with this guy and possibly this is why he thinks he can walk all over me.
Oh I understand, sorry I misread the first bit. So you gave him the money to tax it?"
Yeah at the same time as i paid for the van. Basically cause he didn't send off the logbook (incompetent wander!) I've got no proof I paid tax. |
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Seriously this guy has done so much wrong , one call to trading standards would sort him out
The rules on vehicles taxation changed and if he taxed the van in his name or any other it was both stupid and breaking the law , unless he had a lease agreement with you
He has no case and you MUST not use violence |
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"Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol
Seriously?
Sorry but this makes you sound like a teenager who is unable to handle things in an adult manner.
Why on earth do you want to provoke violence?
Nita
Lol yeah I agree it is like a teenager but sod it!
I've tried the adult way and its been getting me nowhere! This has been going on for months and I've had enough!
He's an arsehole who sells clocked cars and vans ripping people off and thinks he can get away with it.
Running out of realistic options....
Either leave it and forget about the money and principle.
Or go and let him know you can't treat people the way he has and get away with it.
I work hard every day for my money in a honest job, I'm not being stolen off!
How did you tax it? Didn't you have the new keepers paperwork with a reference number on it? Check on line if it's still taxed on the .gov site?
I bought the van from a showroom, it was only 2 years old. He said he could tax it for me, so I agreed.
He did pay a year tax, but he didn't send the log book off so dvla won't talk to me about the van or tax.
So he needs to claim the tax back himself and give me it. This was weeks and weeks ago and he is ignoring my calls.
I honestly have been so patient with this guy and possibly this is why he thinks he can walk all over me.
Oh I understand, sorry I misread the first bit. So you gave him the money to tax it?
Yeah at the same time as i paid for the van. Basically cause he didn't send off the logbook (incompetent wander!) I've got no proof I paid tax. "
It's really annoying isn't it. I'd be bloomin mad too. Just don't do anything daft. |
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"I'm just going to turn up Saturday and see what happens.
I'm perfectly within my rights to tell him he's a wanker and demand my money back.
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Yes I think you are within your rights to demand your money back and given the provocation you're under calling him a walker is probably tempting. In my opinion doing nothing is not an option but if you follow the correct channels (whatever they are) the eventual outcome might be better for you. Good luck. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Seriously this guy has done so much wrong , one call to trading standards would sort him out
The rules on vehicles taxation changed and if he taxed the van in his name or any other it was both stupid and breaking the law , unless he had a lease agreement with you
He has no case and you MUST not use violence"
I'm not sure how the tax works if I'm honest, as far as i knew he taxed the van in my name from the start but didn't send logbook off.
I did call trading standards originally and they wasn't a great deal of help unfortunately. |
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"Seriously this guy has done so much wrong , one call to trading standards would sort him out
The rules on vehicles taxation changed and if he taxed the van in his name or any other it was both stupid and breaking the law , unless he had a lease agreement with you
He has no case and you MUST not use violence
I'm not sure how the tax works if I'm honest, as far as i knew he taxed the van in my name from the start but didn't send logbook off.
I did call trading standards originally and they wasn't a great deal of help unfortunately. "
I don't think it's possible to tax it in somebody else's name the DVLA would have wanted the v5 details. |
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"I'm just going to turn up Saturday and see what happens.
I'm perfectly within my rights to tell him he's a wanker and demand my money back.
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What are you really looking to achive ?
Your money back ? Revenge ? or a wild rant ?
Getting your money back is easy ?
However going out with a hot head will be counter productive
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"Seriously this guy has done so much wrong , one call to trading standards would sort him out
The rules on vehicles taxation changed and if he taxed the van in his name or any other it was both stupid and breaking the law , unless he had a lease agreement with you
He has no case and you MUST not use violence
I'm not sure how the tax works if I'm honest, as far as i knew he taxed the van in my name from the start but didn't send logbook off.
I did call trading standards originally and they wasn't a great deal of help unfortunately.
I don't think it's possible to tax it in somebody else's name the DVLA would have wanted the v5 details."
A dealer can tax into anyone's name , however doing so after invoice and taking money would be illegal
I'll call them for you they are always happy to help from my experience |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You know him,we don't. What do you think he will do if you threaten him or hit him? He shouldn't get away with stealing your money. Sometimes the correct channels don't work. We had someone go bankrupt owing us £25,000. My husband and his partner paid him a visit and had a word with him and he found £25,000 cash in his house he had hidden from the tax man. Some people need a little nudge to cough up what they owe. |
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"You know him,we don't. What do you think he will do if you threaten him or hit him? He shouldn't get away with stealing your money. Sometimes the correct channels don't work. We had someone go bankrupt owing us £25,000. My husband and his partner paid him a visit and had a word with him and he found £25,000 cash in his house he had hidden from the tax man. Some people need a little nudge to cough up what they owe. "
I think suggesting physical threats is foolish and vastly irresponsible
There are some genuinely vile people out there who do not play by any rules
A person may feel big strong superior however there's always someone stronger more nasty and less moral waiting to finish the job
Do not start on this path , your rights in law can should and will resolve this
Remember the star wars metaphor regarding the draw to the dark side , hate and anger are YOUR enemy do not be swayed xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You know him,we don't. What do you think he will do if you threaten him or hit him? He shouldn't get away with stealing your money. Sometimes the correct channels don't work. We had someone go bankrupt owing us £25,000. My husband and his partner paid him a visit and had a word with him and he found £25,000 cash in his house he had hidden from the tax man. Some people need a little nudge to cough up what they owe.
I think suggesting physical threats is foolish and vastly irresponsible
There are some genuinely vile people out there who do not play by any rules
A person may feel big strong superior however there's always someone stronger more nasty and less moral waiting to finish the job
Do not start on this path , your rights in law can should and will resolve this
Remember the star wars metaphor regarding the draw to the dark side , hate and anger are YOUR enemy do not be swayed xxx"
I didn't suggest physical threats,if you read my last post. We live in a world where people think they can get away with stealing from you. We have to remind them that they can't. Some people only need a little talk face to face to get them to realise you aren't giving up. Saying a prayer and hoping for the best won't get you anywhere in this world. |
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And the law doesn't always help you. If someone goes bankrupt they have to pay the Government before anyone else. If there's nothing left after this then you're fucked. |
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"Hi thanks for all the above coments, sorry for not replying sooner but work was hectic.
To be honest, small claims is not worth my time for £250 and he knows it. And trading standards was no help whatsoever with getting my money back for the van.
I got the money back for the van cause he knew he didn't have a leg to stand on.
He's not stupid he knows it's not worth my time taking legal action for £250 tax.
The guy has not even apologised once for selling me a clocked van or forgetting to send the log book off. He's a complete ****!
I'm going to his showroom on Saturday to catch him off guard and tell him what I think of him and his business. And like some have mentioned above I will let every potential customer know what he did.
Hopefully I can provoke him to hit me first lol "
Small claims is very easy to do yourself but Court fee is £35 or £25 if done online. If he defends it starts getting tricky but shouldn't put you off. I do small claims all day at work |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Couple of months ago I bought a new van from a showroom that turned out to be clocked 60 thousand miles. Now after a lot of hassle I got my money back.
Anyway, when I bought the van he offered to tax it for me so I agreed. I paid £250 to tax a van I had for one month.
Turns out the guy didn't send the log book off and I wasn't the registered keeper. So dvla won't refund me my tax money.
So I've been calling this guy and every time he lies to me about paying the tax back. Anyway now he has started ignoring my calls.
I've got to the point now where I have lost patience and I'm going to his showroom on weekend to bollock him.
What would you do??
I'm not a violent person but this guy is kind of asking for it right?
His showroom will have cctv though so not sure what to do.
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Couldn't you get Trading Standards involved? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Couple of months ago I bought a new van from a showroom that turned out to be clocked 60 thousand miles. Now after a lot of hassle I got my money back.
Anyway, when I bought the van he offered to tax it for me so I agreed. I paid £250 to tax a van I had for one month.
Turns out the guy didn't send the log book off and I wasn't the registered keeper. So dvla won't refund me my tax money.
So I've been calling this guy and every time he lies to me about paying the tax back. Anyway now he has started ignoring my calls.
I've got to the point now where I have lost patience and I'm going to his showroom on weekend to bollock him.
What would you do??
I'm not a violent person but this guy is kind of asking for it right?
His showroom will have cctv though so not sure what to do.
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Couldn't you get Trading Standards involved? "
Trading standards don't help you get your money back, they just look into the criminal side of things and offer some advice. I did call them.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Got my money and told him what I think of him and his business. 
Hope you didn't turn up in the red elephant pants?
(on a more serious note well done. ) "
I didn't feel they was appropriate on this occasion |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Got my money and told him what I think of him and his business.
Hope you didn't turn up in the red elephant pants?
(on a more serious note well done. ) "
I didn't feel they was appropriate on this occasion |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Make sure you name his business far and wide on review sites"
Yeah he does deserve it!
I'm just glad I got my money back, plus the look on face when I was shouting at him was priceless! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Make sure you name his business far and wide on review sites
Yeah he does deserve it!
I'm just glad I got my money back, plus the look on face when I was shouting at him was priceless! "
Hehe not just fore he deserves it but think how happy you'd have been if someone would have warned you before you walked in there |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
carrbrook stalybridge |
go when the showroom is very very busy go in then and loudly demand the return of your money .you will be supprised how quickley he will pay you back if he looks like he may loose customers .did this with a dealers that sold me a ringer (two cars welded together at the front bulkhead ) kept fobbing me off with promises etc went in on a sunday afternoon when they were usualy at their busiest and very loudly in fomnt of a showroom full of customers demended my money back for the deathtrap that they had sold me . had a replacment sorted within twenty four hours higher speck and newer model . waited a week week then reported them ofr the ringer which was back on sale to trading standards etc karma |
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