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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Whats your thoughts on this new legislation "
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Keep up... We did this last week!
The outcome was 49% thought there'd got nothing to hide.
50% thought there'd rather hide stuff....
1% couldn't be arsed either way
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I've got stuff to hide and therefore I use stuff that stops them tracking me!.
If a gas fitter with limited IT skills can do it...
What there actually doing is monitoring the nation as a whole to get a feeling for what they can get away with! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't care, it's gone on for long enough without our knowledge or blessing.
[post removed by shady secret government spies at 12:51 04/11/2015. Poster swept up by men in black cars and sunglasses.......last seen on flight to Guantanamo bay for waterboarding] |
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"I don't care, it's gone on for long enough without our knowledge or blessing.
[post removed by shady secret government spies at 12:51 04/11/2015. Poster swept up by men in black cars and sunglasses.......last seen on flight to Guantanamo bay for waterboarding]"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's actually just the first step . Once they have the infrastructure in to monitor what your doing, then they can restrict you from seeing certain sites .
Just for instance , a porn site in American is taking £3000 a days in revenue from the UK . They can block this site .
They can block scam sites , anything they like
Also they can block videos, pictures or even political ideas the government does not like .
The technology already exists , writhing Google. Google can restrict and ban some sites from being found through the search . It can also make any site be the first in its list .
They are also trying to force the big companies to provide the details of their data encryption like what's app and apple , so they can read the content .
If Apple refuses to provide this info , will the government stop apple from working in this country .
Whenever there are laws regarding snooping , people will always look for ways to circumvent it .
The most paranoid nation in the world ( the U.S. ) is already leading the way in communication systems that cannot be read by snoopers
At the Moment it's pretty easy to read people's network traffic or Internet browsing history . But when people realise they can make different choices , that cannot be snooped. The move from Microsoft and Google will be swift |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Hello all,
don't for a minute think that they are going to scrutinise everybody's internet activity, that would be a total waste of resources even if it were practical. They just want the data kept so that they can refer to it if someone warrants investigation.
All my internet activity is legal, lot's of sex sites, certainly, but that wouldn't bother me too much if someone I don't know happened to see that.
If it increases security, and that's why it's being done, then it's a good thing in my view.
Alec
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There are ways to circumvent this.
However do people really believe that there are enough 'spies' to look at every item of every person's data?
The reality is that under the law, they will only target those who fall into the area of suspicion of being involved in serious crime. Under the law, it would have to be proportionate and necessary to prevent or detect crime.
So my view is simply that if someone is looking at my data, then they are firstly wasting their time and secondly wasting taxpayers money. The restrictions on manpower in our security and law enforcement services will simply restrict any potential abuse.
I have to also say that the paranoia of the conspiracy theorists does provide me with hours of entertainment....do they really believe that instead of looking for terrorism and serious crime, they will spend their time looking at shagging habits, low level personal traffic or inane pastimes? Will they ignore the concept of collateral intrusion which will be underwritten in the legislation?
I am in the 'CBA' camp on this but I do hope that my post provokes another entertaining response from someone. .....
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Only need to worry if you're doing something illegal. They aren't going to search through everyone's internet history, only if suspicion arises. It reduces the risk of individuals clearing their data and removing evidence, as instead of waiting for a warrant, they can do it immediately. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is possible but then that would show up that you are hiding something then they'd have something to investigate you for.
There's a website called
" Hacker10 " (Google it ) It's like shopping at Amazon for encryption tools. Most of them are free.
If there's a charge for it don't buy it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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New phone £50,Unregistered simply card 99p, buy a £10 top up with cash, and bingo... You have a "burner" to communicate which most shady people use anyway. This is just another bit of legislation which will see people find alternative means of achieving their tasks. |
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"Whats your thoughts on this new legislation "
Mine's easy:
Fab, wikipedia and news. *
There, saved them hours
Mr ddc
* that 'bomb making website' was only down to me mis-typing a google search for a recipe for a type of chocolate pudding   |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hello all,
don't for a minute think that they are going to scrutinise everybody's internet activity, that would be a total waste of resources even if it were practical. They just want the data kept so that they can refer to it if someone warrants investigation.
All my internet activity is legal, lot's of sex sites, certainly, but that wouldn't bother me too much if someone I don't know happened to see that.
If it increases security, and that's why it's being done, then it's a good thing in my view.
Alec
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Legal, at the moment. Remember McCarthyism, "are you or have you ever been...." |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Only need to worry if you're doing something illegal. They aren't going to search through everyone's internet history, only if suspicion arises. It reduces the risk of individuals clearing their data and removing evidence, as instead of waiting for a warrant, they can do it immediately. "
What is legal today, might not remain so. Remember what happened to the porn industry, not so long ago. That curtailed your rights to view and post certain sexual activities. Porn has always been the canary for prohibition. |
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"New phone £50,Unregistered simply card 99p, buy a £10 top up with cash, and bingo... You have a "burner" to communicate which most shady people use anyway. This is just another bit of legislation which will see people find alternative means of achieving their tasks. "
Either that or people with something to hide will just meet up and have a face to face conversation in a private room like they did in the old days, or swap private messages via pigeon carriers or what have you. Criminals and terrorists will find a way around it, if they want to avoid being caught. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hello all,
don't for a minute think that they are going to scrutinise everybody's internet activity, that would be a total waste of resources even if it were practical. They just want the data kept so that they can refer to it if someone warrants investigation.
All my internet activity is legal, lot's of sex sites, certainly, but that wouldn't bother me too much if someone I don't know happened to see that.
If it increases security, and that's why it's being done, then it's a good thing in my view.
Alec
Legal, at the moment. Remember McCarthyism, "are you or have you ever been....""
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I am a Marxist... I'm a little worried |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Only need to worry if you're doing something illegal. They aren't going to search through everyone's internet history, only if suspicion arises. It reduces the risk of individuals clearing their data and removing evidence, as instead of waiting for a warrant, they can do it immediately. "
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That's not what the CIA FBI or ATF did with Facebook and Google data though.
They compiled comprehensive amounts of perfectly legal stuff and data on the entire US population and they did it long before anybody knew about it or before it was legal!
Power does what it does... You give somebody that power and THEY WILL ABUSE IT. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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People should care about this, its just one step closer to being totally controlled like some other countries.
Watch documentaries like Taking liberties and The Strawman.
They change the laws to control us more and more. They control the media so you can only see what they want you to.
They want control over the internet so you can't find these truths out for yourself.
Its not about what you have to hide.
Nothing at all in place to have certain stuff red flagged, like say you are someone who wants to protest something but all your history is clean, nothing stopping them planting something in your history either.
Just look at all the stuff happening, bankers still get their bonus, yet countries like Iceland arrested their bankers for screwing everything up.
Tax cuts, but cuz so many voted against, government wants to replace those who voted with new people to vote again, makes zero sense.
Closing so many hospitals, selling off NHS. This government does not and will not care about anyone of you but their rich friends. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People should care about this, its just one step closer to being totally controlled like some other countries.
Watch documentaries like Taking liberties and The Strawman.
They change the laws to control us more and more. They control the media so you can only see what they want you to.
They want control over the internet so you can't find these truths out for yourself.
Its not about what you have to hide.
Nothing at all in place to have certain stuff red flagged, like say you are someone who wants to protest something but all your history is clean, nothing stopping them planting something in your history either.
Just look at all the stuff happening, bankers still get their bonus, yet countries like Iceland arrested their bankers for screwing everything up.
Tax cuts, but cuz so many voted against, government wants to replace those who voted with new people to vote again, makes zero sense.
Closing so many hospitals, selling off NHS. This government does not and will not care about anyone of you but their rich friends."
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Exactly..
It's not what we're hiding... It's what they are! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"All of those who use torrent to download free stuff, will get into trouble with the law. I suggest you quite whilst your ahead lol."
Thats a civil crime. The police wont do shit. The music or movie companies have to sue you  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I am, frankly, amazed so many on fab don't care about this. It is not only the wrong doers who should be worried but those who could be perceived to be wrong doers - and that means any of us. Imagine someone makes a sex based allegation against you - wrongly or maliciously. A police investigation shows you are on fab and, hey presto, suddenly that is used as proof what a sex crazed maniac you are in court. Sounds ridiculous? Consider the case of Stefan Kiszko. Wrongly convicted of the murder of a young girl, one of the 'key' pieces of evidence was that he had soft porn magazines. Something that innocuous was seen in a sinister light in court. Imagine how being on fab and viewing hard core porn would be viewed.
Personally I think it is a very worrying move by the government |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am, frankly, amazed so many on fab don't care about this. It is not only the wrong doers who should be worried but those who could be perceived to be wrong doers - and that means any of us. Imagine someone makes a sex based allegation against you - wrongly or maliciously. A police investigation shows you are on fab and, hey presto, suddenly that is used as proof what a sex crazed maniac you are in court. Sounds ridiculous? Consider the case of Stefan Kiszko. Wrongly convicted of the murder of a young girl, one of the 'key' pieces of evidence was that he had soft porn magazines. Something that innocuous was seen in a sinister light in court. Imagine how being on fab and viewing hard core porn would be viewed.
Personally I think it is a very worrying move by the government "
For a sex based allegation they'd have to have a justifiable reason to look through internet history. Being on a Swingers site and meeting people, would make me think they didn't need to go and sexually abuse someone. Not many sex based allegations make it to court, let alone see the defendant convicted for it.
When Stefan Kiszko was convicted advanced technology/science wasn't really about, so they went on the evidence they had, yes he may have been wrongly convicted of it, but he did actually say he done it, may have been bullied out of him, but that would have gone against him massively. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"All of those who use torrent to download free stuff, will get into trouble with the law. I suggest you quite whilst your ahead lol.
Thats a civil crime. The police wont do shit. The music or movie companies have to sue you "
That is right to, they might do something, not sure lol. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"All of those who use torrent to download free stuff, will get into trouble with the law. I suggest you quite whilst your ahead lol.
Thats a civil crime. The police wont do shit. The music or movie companies have to sue you "
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The ttip agreement is going to make it law though! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am, frankly, amazed so many on fab don't care about this. It is not only the wrong doers who should be worried but those who could be perceived to be wrong doers - and that means any of us. Imagine someone makes a sex based allegation against you - wrongly or maliciously. A police investigation shows you are on fab and, hey presto, suddenly that is used as proof what a sex crazed maniac you are in court. Sounds ridiculous? Consider the case of Stefan Kiszko. Wrongly convicted of the murder of a young girl, one of the 'key' pieces of evidence was that he had soft porn magazines. Something that innocuous was seen in a sinister light in court. Imagine how being on fab and viewing hard core porn would be viewed.
Personally I think it is a very worrying move by the government
For a sex based allegation they'd have to have a justifiable reason to look through internet history. Being on a Swingers site and meeting people, would make me think they didn't need to go and sexually abuse someone. Not many sex based allegations make it to court, let alone see the defendant convicted for it.
When Stefan Kiszko was convicted advanced technology/science wasn't really about, so they went on the evidence they had, yes he may have been wrongly convicted of it, but he did actually say he done it, may have been bullied out of him, but that would have gone against him massively. "
I'm sure it was bullied out of him. DNA testing showed that he wasn't guilty. Similarly Downing confessed in the Wendy Sewell murder. He wasn't guilty either. Nor was Timothy Evans. There have been many famous miscarriages. Ultimately so many that it is hard for me to have confidence in the powers that be. I can only wonder how this legislation might bring about more miscarriages.
I envy you your trust in the establishment. I don't share it |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is possible but then that would show up that you are hiding something then they'd have something to investigate you for.
There's a website called
" Hacker10 " (Google it ) It's like shopping at Amazon for encryption tools. Most of them are free.
If there's a charge for it don't buy it."
There's another sort of charge related to this. It's been in place since 2000 and can get you up to 5 years in prison for refusing to reveal a password or encryption key. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am, frankly, amazed so many on fab don't care about this. It is not only the wrong doers who should be worried but those who could be perceived to be wrong doers - and that means any of us. Imagine someone makes a sex based allegation against you - wrongly or maliciously. A police investigation shows you are on fab and, hey presto, suddenly that is used as proof what a sex crazed maniac you are in court. Sounds ridiculous? Consider the case of Stefan Kiszko. Wrongly convicted of the murder of a young girl, one of the 'key' pieces of evidence was that he had soft porn magazines. Something that innocuous was seen in a sinister light in court. Imagine how being on fab and viewing hard core porn would be viewed.
Personally I think it is a very worrying move by the government
For a sex based allegation they'd have to have a justifiable reason to look through internet history. Being on a Swingers site and meeting people, would make me think they didn't need to go and sexually abuse someone. Not many sex based allegations make it to court, let alone see the defendant convicted for it.
When Stefan Kiszko was convicted advanced technology/science wasn't really about, so they went on the evidence they had, yes he may have been wrongly convicted of it, but he did actually say he done it, may have been bullied out of him, but that would have gone against him massively.
I'm sure it was bullied out of him. DNA testing showed that he wasn't guilty. Similarly Downing confessed in the Wendy Sewell murder. He wasn't guilty either. Nor was Timothy Evans. There have been many famous miscarriages. Ultimately so many that it is hard for me to have confidence in the powers that be. I can only wonder how this legislation might bring about more miscarriages.
I envy you your trust in the establishment. I don't share it"
I didn't say I trust, I am fully aware of the miscarriages of justice. I was just noting that him having pornographic magazines was far from a main evidence piece in the case. The DNA was found, I agree, but due to lack of knowledge in 1975, it was harder to clarify the sample.
The main reason for this being brought in, is due to pedophilia and terrorism. If there is any suspicion around these, the police are able to trace the internet history as it will not be deleted. So for me bringing this in is a good thing. If you look at cases where internet/computer based evidence is lost, this is unlikely to happen now, as it will be held for a year in cyberspace somewhere. |
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It's a very expensive pathetic and likely useless manoeuvre by the government.
We taxpayers will have to pay for all of the ISPs to do this. Overkill and anyone with intelligence will just use circumventing arrangements. Pay as you go sim cards won't be traceable to a person easily and encryption etc will render it meaningless.
Posturing to satisfy the daily fail types. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"I have every email I've ever sent/received. Someone is gonna have a field day looking through all that shit. 
But yes... I'm in the don't give a fuck camp.  "
Well, I do; I mean, give a f**k; otherwise its pointless being here 
Oh, about internet stuff; no, I don't care one way or the other |
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If l told you that in 1986 the government wanted to fit a gadget to you so that they could monitor everything you said or where you went, you would be quite rightly outraged.
Then we went and bought mobile/cell phones etc |
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