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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So shock horror, it seems that the emissions cheating extends to all the brands in the group. No great surprise, but question is, would it stop you buying their cars? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Nope...pretty much all cars fail the tests in real world driving conditions so all manufacturers will have their own "methods" of passing the lab tests."
I'm surprised that no other manufacturers have been found out yet. VW still make exceedingly good cars, although I suspect they might have to lure customers back with some decent offers. |
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By *r TriomanMan
over a year ago
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Maybe, it depends on what the revised road tax bracket is for these engines and, I would still be weary of buying a car from a manufacture that goes to such lengths to cheat the system; what other things have they cheated on? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I wouldn't buy a Volkswagen based on two factors.
They're ridiculously over priced
Reliability is an issue - everyone I know with a VAG car has had faults, some very serious and expensive. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I wouldn't buy a Volkswagen based on two factors.
They're ridiculously over priced
Reliability is an issue - everyone I know with a VAG car has had faults, some very serious and expensive. "
My first car was a golf which never had an issue in 10 years. Even did 200 mile with no oil after a mechanic failed to put it in during a service! |
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i don't believe its only vw who've been doing it, there must be others who have their own methods of effectively cheating the tests.
No it wouldn't put me off, but i can't see myself buying another car any time soon anyway, did love my skodas i had but even they have gone overpriced now |
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I'm on my third VW and Barney has to go back. They sent me a recall letter and said I'll be advised when. 
It wouldn't put me off another although he's a 2013 plate so it won't be for a while. I'm fairly sure they're just the first to be caught, I don't image they'll be the last. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If the road tax doesn't go up, does anyone really care all that much, so much so they feel so genuinely cheated they could never bring themselves to buy another one? I doubt it very much.
I don't have VW but I've had a few in the past and they were great and if I wanted another one, what's happened wouldn't bother me at all. I always expect the emissions and the mpg to be completely different anyway so 'meh'. |
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"Nope...pretty much all cars fail the tests in real world driving conditions so all manufacturers will have their own "methods" of passing the lab tests."
The main reason why emissions tests are done via labs and not real-world is lobbying from European car companies. Largely VW. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not sure it will have that big an impact on private sales as this doesn't make the cars less reliable, or make any statement about build quality, both of which I expect are higher in the list of priorities than emissions. Where there may be some impact will be on company car drivers who are taxed on BIK which takes emissions into consideration. |
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At any rate, VW don't make a car I'm interested in, yet. And since I can only afford second hand, if they don't make it now, I wouldn't be able to afford one in 3 years' time if they start making it later.
So for now, I'm still looking at BMW, Mercedes, and Nissan for my next car. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Ive had my little golf for about 2 years now and only ever needed wear and tear work doing to it, compared to the vauxhall I had before it which was off the road for repairs more than on, its a dream. All manufacturers have their faults but if it gets me from A to B and doesnt cost too much im happy  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope they are still the most reliable cars on the road ..i dont believe for 1 minute they are the only group that have deceived the public and wont be the last  "
No they are not. Any research will tell you that.
They have carefully crafted this image of solid reliability but they are no better than average at best.
Toyota are probably the most reliable, but they are just as boring as most VW's. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nope they are still the most reliable cars on the road ..i dont believe for 1 minute they are the only group that have deceived the public and wont be the last
No they are not. Any research will tell you that.
They have carefully crafted this image of solid reliability but they are no better than average at best.
Toyota are probably the most reliable, but they are just as boring as most VW's. "
A quick search shows Japanese cars dominating the top reliability lists, the worst for reliability is dominated by the German manufacturers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wouldn't buy a Volkswagen based on two factors.
They're ridiculously over priced
Reliability is an issue - everyone I know with a VAG car has had faults, some very serious and expensive. "
My thoughts exactly |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope they are still the most reliable cars on the road ..i dont believe for 1 minute they are the only group that have deceived the public and wont be the last "
I think the top 6 in uk for reliability are japanese, then Jaguar! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nope they are still the most reliable cars on the road ..i dont believe for 1 minute they are the only group that have deceived the public and wont be the last
No they are not. Any research will tell you that.
They have carefully crafted this image of solid reliability but they are no better than average at best.
Toyota are probably the most reliable, but they are just as boring as most VW's.
A quick search shows Japanese cars dominating the top reliability lists, the worst for reliability is dominated by the German manufacturers. "
Backed up by less than empircal evidence of working on them, they ( Any VAG group car) are average at best. Certainly overpriced compared to demonstably more reliable cars like japanese.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nope they are still the most reliable cars on the road ..i dont believe for 1 minute they are the only group that have deceived the public and wont be the last
No they are not. Any research will tell you that.
They have carefully crafted this image of solid reliability but they are no better than average at best.
Toyota are probably the most reliable, but they are just as boring as most VW's.
A quick search shows Japanese cars dominating the top reliability lists, the worst for reliability is dominated by the German manufacturers. "
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I've got a lovely 76 celica 2.0gt in red in the shed in bits...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The car can start but will probably have had enough residual oil in there to keep going, just. Have seen more than one Ford Zetec and Fiat running with less than a litre in there on a few occasions |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I find vw's a bit like waitrose, just because they are more expensive it don't mean they are great. Saying that I own a Seat Ibiza and they are manufactured by vw  |
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Yes, puts me off them. Partly because they deliberately cheated the test, so the brand is untrustworthy. Partly because if they cheated this test who knows they haven't also cheated the tests for the ABS or the stability control or any other ones. Partly because their resale value is down a lot due to all this. And partly because if they have to cheat to pass tests that other manufacturers can pass, they clearly can't be much good. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"All the manufacturers have cheated the test, it's only VAG that have has been caught with a smoking gun so far..."
you can't say that where is the evidence ?
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"All the manufacturers have cheated the test, it's only VAG that have has been caught with a smoking gun so far... you can't say that where is the evidence ?"
There have been several independent tests carried out by several research teams showing actual emissions in real driving conditions.
BMW and Mercedes come out worse than VW |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The car can start but will probably have had enough residual oil in there to keep going, just. Have seen more than one Ford Zetec and Fiat running with less than a litre in there on a few occasions"
It was a 1983 golf, it was making horrendous noises by the end. When I got it to a garage I was told it was nothing short of a miracle that it hadn't blown up! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Had a Tiguan for a while now (company car, not mine by choice), getting rid soon and it can't go soon enough. So incredibly dull to look at and drive.
Not cheap to run either. |
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By *im himCouple (MM)
over a year ago
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Call me cynical but did vw happen to build a nice new engine plant in Russia ? Then all of a sudden the Americans happen to find this out about vw's emmision problems . It's funny how they have just picked on vw when every manufacturer is prob up to the same thing . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As has been said before most manufacters have a version of this I think.
Back in the 60's American muscle cars were notorious for tweaking cars for press tests. On fact I think it's were the standard for measuring BHP came from.
Blueprinting, AVGAS, non standard heads etx |
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