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Pubs whats gone wrong with our old boozer

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Was in the pub trade many years whats gone wrong with them they have totally changed

All day opening as not worked if you have £10 to spend you would spend it just the same in the old hours as the new hour,s

So no benefit to the pub.

Then the biggest mistake opening all day Sunday what did we loose the best 3 hours on a Sunday dinner time you would have all week can remember when there was only 2 on Sunday lunch.

You knew your friends would be in from 12 but now any time on a Sunday they turn up.

Family values lost no Sunday roast we all would be home Sunday dinner then back out for 7.

What do you see now parents fetching there children in for burger and chips poor kids sat bored or with there i pad or running round going wild while mum and dad get pissed.

Poor Landlord says anything don,t talk to my child like that followed by a mouth full of abuse.

Smoking ban got mixed feelings with this one all the food houses have done better but the poor little pub that's not serving food are all going.

New years eve as never recovered since millennium we were running a big managed house and told we had to charge £25 per ticket they went on sale in June all managed companies did the same by September they had gone down to £10 because of no sales Christmas week told not to charge because we had not sold one not just our pub but all the big managed houses in the area buy it was nation wide,

People were having house parties hiring place,s out fetching there own drink.

All you younger people ask the older ones what pubs were like before all this came about.

Yes the good old pub is going some thing that should have been left alone but the Governments fucked it up for us all

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Sorry but I completely disagree.

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

why

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

We have two pubs in the village one specialises in food the other is a drinkers pub they both do very well.

There was an absolute belter of a pub in a nearby town that was a drinkers pub that just seemed to die a death in the space of six months. Went from being crowded every Thursday Friday and Saturday to nothing. Such a shame.

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

A good pub will remain open because people will go there. Conversely, a poor pub will, in time, close due to lack of custom.

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"A good pub will remain open because people will go there. Conversely, a poor pub will, in time, close due to lack of custom. "

A bit like fab profiles.....

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Was in the pub trade many years whats gone wrong with them they have totally changed

All day opening as not worked if you have £10 to spend you would spend it just the same in the old hours as the new hour,s

So no benefit to the pub.

Then the biggest mistake opening all day Sunday what did we loose the best 3 hours on a Sunday dinner time you would have all week can remember when there was only 2 on Sunday lunch.

You knew your friends would be in from 12 but now any time on a Sunday they turn up.

Family values lost no Sunday roast we all would be home Sunday dinner then back out for 7.

What do you see now parents fetching there children in for burger and chips poor kids sat bored or with there i pad or running round going wild while mum and dad get pissed.

Poor Landlord says anything don,t talk to my child like that followed by a mouth full of abuse.

Smoking ban got mixed feelings with this one all the food houses have done better but the poor little pub that's not serving food are all going.

New years eve as never recovered since millennium we were running a big managed house and told we had to charge £25 per ticket they went on sale in June all managed companies did the same by September they had gone down to £10 because of no sales Christmas week told not to charge because we had not sold one not just our pub but all the big managed houses in the area buy it was nation wide,

People were having house parties hiring place,s out fetching there own drink.

All you younger people ask the older ones what pubs were like before all this came about.

Yes the good old pub is going some thing that should have been left alone but the Governments fucked it up for us all "

Gonna have to tap you for advice as I'm studying business with an aim to run my own independent pub, I have ideas

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford

I read somewhere that the number of pubs in the UK has actually been in decline since the opening hours act (was it 1915?)

Pubs have totally changed, I think we are striving towards a "cafe culture" that never existed here. The price of a pint has risen exponentially in the past few years.

No, I don't think we'll see the pubs of my youth again - although I don't think the smoking ban is/was to blame.

I kind of think its a shame, they used to be the lifeblood of the village I grew up in. There was always a kind of 'random' you got in a night at the pub that you don't get at house parties.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Smoking ban, pure and simple. Pubs went into decline from the time of the ban

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By *o new WinksMan  over a year ago

BSE

For every smoker that stopped going to a pub, there are at least the same number who started going because they no longer coughed and felt I'll whilst out.

They also no longer smell awful the morning after.

I think the detergent industry may be the lose there.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"For every smoker that stopped going to a pub, there are at least the same number who started going because they no longer coughed and felt I'll whilst out.

They also no longer smell awful the morning after.

I think the detergent industry may be the lose there. "

Nonsense. The half a bitter brigade never replaced the heavy drinking smokers

Else all the pubs would still be open!

But most aren't

Quod erat demonstrandum

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"A good pub will remain open because people will go there. Conversely, a poor pub will, in time, close due to lack of custom. "

I think you#ve hit the nail on the head there

Pubs and landlords that stagnate and live in the past and hankering for the good old days of smoking, no unaccompanied women, food being a choice of nuts or crisps and quite possibly signs saying 'no blacks, no dogs, no irish' on the door are the pubs that closed and to my mind aren't missed.

As a society we have evolved which is why we now have gastro pubs, child friendly pubs and why Costa Coffee is owned by Whitbred

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Smoking ban, pure and simple. Pubs went into decline from the time of the ban"

I disagree. Pubs have been in decline since supermarkets started undercutting their prices by huge margins

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"A good pub will remain open because people will go there. Conversely, a poor pub will, in time, close due to lack of custom.

I think you#ve hit the nail on the head there

Pubs and landlords that stagnate and live in the past and hankering for the good old days of smoking, no unaccompanied women, food being a choice of nuts or crisps and quite possibly signs saying 'no blacks, no dogs, no irish' on the door are the pubs that closed and to my mind aren't missed.

As a society we have evolved which is why we now have gastro pubs, child friendly pubs and why Costa Coffee is owned by Whitbred "

Whilst I don't miss smoking in pubs, and there were plenty that did food even in the 'bad old days', contrived gastro pubs are...well...a cafe, not somewhere you'd go to socialise with people who you weren't eating with.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Smoking ban, pure and simple. Pubs went into decline from the time of the ban

I disagree. Pubs have been in decline since supermarkets started undercutting their prices by huge margins"

You are welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine. But supermarkets and off licences were always cheaper than pubs for many decades.

So, what changed about the time numbers of pubs dwindled?

The smoking ban

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"Smoking ban, pure and simple. Pubs went into decline from the time of the ban

I disagree. Pubs have been in decline since supermarkets started undercutting their prices by huge margins

You are welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine. But supermarkets and off licences were always cheaper than pubs for many decades.

So, what changed about the time numbers of pubs dwindled?

The smoking ban"

Except that the number of pubs has been in decline since 1915ish

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Smoking ban, pure and simple. Pubs went into decline from the time of the ban

I disagree. Pubs have been in decline since supermarkets started undercutting their prices by huge margins

You are welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine. But supermarkets and off licences were always cheaper than pubs for many decades.

So, what changed about the time numbers of pubs dwindled?

The smoking ban

Except that the number of pubs has been in decline since 1915ish"

Semantics

Would you disagree that there was a cataclysmic decline in the number of pubs when the smoking ban was introduced? Have you seen a similar effect in your lifetime in the pub trade?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"A good pub will remain open because people will go there. Conversely, a poor pub will, in time, close due to lack of custom.

I think you#ve hit the nail on the head there

Pubs and landlords that stagnate and live in the past and hankering for the good old days of smoking, no unaccompanied women, food being a choice of nuts or crisps and quite possibly signs saying 'no blacks, no dogs, no irish' on the door are the pubs that closed and to my mind aren't missed.

As a society we have evolved which is why we now have gastro pubs, child friendly pubs and why Costa Coffee is owned by Whitbred

Whilst I don't miss smoking in pubs, and there were plenty that did food even in the 'bad old days', contrived gastro pubs are...well...a cafe, not somewhere you'd go to socialise with people who you weren't eating with."

But is that a bad thing? I don;t go to a pub to socialise with people that I don;t know and who the only common denominator is a shared postcode. Gastro-pubs target a specific demographic. Similarly look at the rise of micro-breweries, real ale pubs and chains such as Brewdog. Or pubs that target youngsters on the pull. Or music pubs. They all target a demographic and many thrive. Society and pubs have changed since the 1970s and 80s, I realise that the image I portrayed is more than a little cliched but I don't think that the back street boozer that offers little other than somewhere for men to drink crap lager and escape their wives really have a place anymore.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think the 2008 crash has affected it more than the smoking ban however the ban has affected the pub trade along with factors such as people drinking (and smoking) at home.

I don't miss going home stinking of smoke though that's for sure.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Was in the pub trade many years whats gone wrong with them they have totally changed

All day opening as not worked if you have £10 to spend you would spend it just the same in the old hours as the new hour,s

So no benefit to the pub.

Then the biggest mistake opening all day Sunday what did we loose the best 3 hours on a Sunday dinner time you would have all week can remember when there was only 2 on Sunday lunch.

You knew your friends would be in from 12 but now any time on a Sunday they turn up.

Family values lost no Sunday roast we all would be home Sunday dinner then back out for 7.

What do you see now parents fetching there children in for burger and chips poor kids sat bored or with there i pad or running round going wild while mum and dad get pissed.

Poor Landlord says anything don,t talk to my child like that followed by a mouth full of abuse.

Smoking ban got mixed feelings with this one all the food houses have done better but the poor little pub that's not serving food are all going.

New years eve as never recovered since millennium we were running a big managed house and told we had to charge £25 per ticket they went on sale in June all managed companies did the same by September they had gone down to £10 because of no sales Christmas week told not to charge because we had not sold one not just our pub but all the big managed houses in the area buy it was nation wide,

People were having house parties hiring place,s out fetching there own drink.

All you younger people ask the older ones what pubs were like before all this came about.

Yes the good old pub is going some thing that should have been left alone but the Governments fucked it up for us all "

How exactly did the government fuck it up?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Smoking ban, pure and simple. Pubs went into decline from the time of the ban

I disagree. Pubs have been in decline since supermarkets started undercutting their prices by huge margins

You are welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine. But supermarkets and off licences were always cheaper than pubs for many decades.

So, what changed about the time numbers of pubs dwindled?

The smoking ban"

Differing opinions are interesting. And what you say is partly true, but jimi has confirmed decline since 1915, which coincides with the arrival of supermarkets

On another note, I worked in a pub where constructive dismissal was standard procedure and there was no loyalty between employer and employee, which, according to a colleague who had worked in pubs and restaurants for over a decade previously,and he claimed it to be standard procedure in a lot of places in and around Nottingham. If that's anything to go by, it's a terrible mentality with lots of corner cutting to save costs, which explains why a lot of pubs don't last longer than 6 months.

Also, over the years, the introduction of certain taxes on the sale of alcohol on licensed premises has hit pubs heavily.

So while the smoking ban has damaged business in certain areas, and the majority of places, it's only the tip of the iceberg.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Then the biggest mistake opening all day Sunday what did we loose the best 3 hours on a Sunday dinner time you would have all week can remember when there was only 2 on Sunday lunch.

You knew your friends would be in from 12 but now any time on a Sunday they turn up.

Family values lost no Sunday roast we all would be home Sunday dinner then back out for 7.

What do you see now parents fetching there children in for burger and chips poor kids sat bored or with there i pad or running round going wild while mum and dad get pissed.

"

Am I reading this right? Being in the pub on a Sunday lunchtime and then back again at 7 on the evening somehow preserrves family values?

But families taking their children out to lunch doesn't?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

smoking ban didnt help.drink drive campaigns hit a bit,as pubs charge way over the top for soft drinks.offys and supermarkets sell so cheap.lots of reasons why i guess

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Bike Monkey dose not the beer orders spring to mind

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"A good pub will remain open because people will go there. Conversely, a poor pub will, in time, close due to lack of custom.

I think you#ve hit the nail on the head there

Pubs and landlords that stagnate and live in the past and hankering for the good old days of smoking, no unaccompanied women, food being a choice of nuts or crisps and quite possibly signs saying 'no blacks, no dogs, no irish' on the door are the pubs that closed and to my mind aren't missed.

As a society we have evolved which is why we now have gastro pubs, child friendly pubs and why Costa Coffee is owned by Whitbred

Whilst I don't miss smoking in pubs, and there were plenty that did food even in the 'bad old days', contrived gastro pubs are...well...a cafe, not somewhere you'd go to socialise with people who you weren't eating with.

But is that a bad thing? I don;t go to a pub to socialise with people that I don;t know and who the only common denominator is a shared postcode. Gastro-pubs target a specific demographic. Similarly look at the rise of micro-breweries, real ale pubs and chains such as Brewdog. Or pubs that target youngsters on the pull. Or music pubs. They all target a demographic and many thrive. Society and pubs have changed since the 1970s and 80s, I realise that the image I portrayed is more than a little cliched but I don't think that the back street boozer that offers little other than somewhere for men to drink crap lager and escape their wives really have a place anymore."

I grew up in a village, so it might have been a bit different to the big towns.

The village I'm from has three pubs (it had 5 when I was young, if you include the catholic club), and they were all had a slightly different crowd of regulars, I think only one was a 'crap lager' pub, all the others had proper beer as well as lagers (which is why I'm perplexed by 'real' ale being a trendy thing, it was always just...beer to me).

And yes, I went in to talk to people who lived in the area, some I went to school with, some I didn't, more than one had different social clubs that ran out of the pub etc. It was nice fancying a pint and not having to ring anyone and arrange anything, you knew that you'd find people you knew in at least one of the pubs.

It was nice how people of all different ages and social classes (although to be fair, you didn't find many of the posh about in them) interacted. Its what made them fun. Plenty of women (at least my age, and younger) were out - perhaps some of the older blokes were more traditional in their mindset, but there was always quite a good mix of genders...

I find pubs that are all eating quite aintisocial, but that is perhaps because I do think of pubs as places you go to socialise.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Bike Monkey dose not the beer orders spring to mind"

Pardon

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

yes the beer orders you seem to know so much about things

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Smoking ban, pure and simple. Pubs went into decline from the time of the ban

I disagree. Pubs have been in decline since supermarkets started undercutting their prices by huge margins

You are welcome to your opinion, just as I am mine. But supermarkets and off licences were always cheaper than pubs for many decades.

So, what changed about the time numbers of pubs dwindled?

The smoking ban

Differing opinions are interesting. And what you say is partly true, but jimi has confirmed decline since 1915, which coincides with the arrival of supermarkets

On another note, I worked in a pub where constructive dismissal was standard procedure and there was no loyalty between employer and employee, which, according to a colleague who had worked in pubs and restaurants for over a decade previously,and he claimed it to be standard procedure in a lot of places in and around Nottingham. If that's anything to go by, it's a terrible mentality with lots of corner cutting to save costs, which explains why a lot of pubs don't last longer than 6 months.

Also, over the years, the introduction of certain taxes on the sale of alcohol on licensed premises has hit pubs heavily.

So while the smoking ban has damaged business in certain areas, and the majority of places, it's only the tip of the iceberg."

But would you accept that after the introduction of the smoking ban, many pubs folded over the next 12-18 months?

And I'll have to google it but I suspect 1915 had something to do with the closing of pubs during the day, as the Government didn't want a pissed up workforce producing our WWI munitions?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"A good pub will remain open because people will go there. Conversely, a poor pub will, in time, close due to lack of custom.

I think you#ve hit the nail on the head there

Pubs and landlords that stagnate and live in the past and hankering for the good old days of smoking, no unaccompanied women, food being a choice of nuts or crisps and quite possibly signs saying 'no blacks, no dogs, no irish' on the door are the pubs that closed and to my mind aren't missed.

As a society we have evolved which is why we now have gastro pubs, child friendly pubs and why Costa Coffee is owned by Whitbred

Whilst I don't miss smoking in pubs, and there were plenty that did food even in the 'bad old days', contrived gastro pubs are...well...a cafe, not somewhere you'd go to socialise with people who you weren't eating with.

But is that a bad thing? I don;t go to a pub to socialise with people that I don;t know and who the only common denominator is a shared postcode. Gastro-pubs target a specific demographic. Similarly look at the rise of micro-breweries, real ale pubs and chains such as Brewdog. Or pubs that target youngsters on the pull. Or music pubs. They all target a demographic and many thrive. Society and pubs have changed since the 1970s and 80s, I realise that the image I portrayed is more than a little cliched but I don't think that the back street boozer that offers little other than somewhere for men to drink crap lager and escape their wives really have a place anymore.

I grew up in a village, so it might have been a bit different to the big towns.

The village I'm from has three pubs (it had 5 when I was young, if you include the catholic club), and they were all had a slightly different crowd of regulars, I think only one was a 'crap lager' pub, all the others had proper beer as well as lagers (which is why I'm perplexed by 'real' ale being a trendy thing, it was always just...beer to me).

And yes, I went in to talk to people who lived in the area, some I went to school with, some I didn't, more than one had different social clubs that ran out of the pub etc. It was nice fancying a pint and not having to ring anyone and arrange anything, you knew that you'd find people you knew in at least one of the pubs.

It was nice how people of all different ages and social classes (although to be fair, you didn't find many of the posh about in them) interacted. Its what made them fun. Plenty of women (at least my age, and younger) were out - perhaps some of the older blokes were more traditional in their mindset, but there was always quite a good mix of genders...

I find pubs that are all eating quite aintisocial, but that is perhaps because I do think of pubs as places you go to socialise. "

Yeah, I'm from a place with more pubs in a square mile than any other type of business with the exception of clothes shops.

Great for pub crawls

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"yes the beer orders you seem to know so much about things"

No I've just commented that plenty of pubs adapt, survive and thrive. There are plenty in this town and the 2 nearest towns doing well. In London a lot of the pubs that are going are doing so because property developers are taking them over rather than being due to them closing due to a lack of trade

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By *opping_candyWoman  over a year ago

West Yorkshire

It depends who you ask!

I'm more likely to go to a pub because I won't go home stinking of smoke. I'm more likely to go to a food serving pub where I can get us all a relatively cheap meal, I can have a pint with it, and none of us go home stinking of smoke. And no I'm not one of these who sit getting pissed while the kids run riot. My children sit drawing and colouring with paper and felt tips we bring with us, and shock horror we actually have a conversation.

If non smoking pubs and family friendly pubs didn't exist, I'd probably never step foot in a pub at all.

Ask a childless smoker and you'll get a completely different answer

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By *ce WingerMan  over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Back in the 80's I used to go out every night, now it's a rare occurrence that I can afford to venture to the pub. I brew ma own or occasionally buy a bottle from Mr Booze 24/7 over the road

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It depends who you ask!

I'm more likely to go to a pub because I won't go home stinking of smoke. I'm more likely to go to a food serving pub where I can get us all a relatively cheap meal, I can have a pint with it, and none of us go home stinking of smoke. And no I'm not one of these who sit getting pissed while the kids run riot. My children sit drawing and colouring with paper and felt tips we bring with us, and shock horror we actually have a conversation.

If non smoking pubs and family friendly pubs didn't exist, I'd probably never step foot in a pub at all.

Ask a childless smoker and you'll get a completely different answer "

With respect the profit margins are low on your type of trade. Youngsters drinking heavily are the best trade for pubs

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Why is wine so bloody expensive in pubs?

I can buy a whole bottle for the price they charge for a glass

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By *opping_candyWoman  over a year ago

West Yorkshire


"It depends who you ask!

I'm more likely to go to a pub because I won't go home stinking of smoke. I'm more likely to go to a food serving pub where I can get us all a relatively cheap meal, I can have a pint with it, and none of us go home stinking of smoke. And no I'm not one of these who sit getting pissed while the kids run riot. My children sit drawing and colouring with paper and felt tips we bring with us, and shock horror we actually have a conversation.

If non smoking pubs and family friendly pubs didn't exist, I'd probably never step foot in a pub at all.

Ask a childless smoker and you'll get a completely different answer

With respect the profit margins are low on your type of trade. Youngsters drinking heavily are the best trade for pubs"

True, but the same pub is packed out on a night, so obviously has appeal to a broad range

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It depends who you ask!

I'm more likely to go to a pub because I won't go home stinking of smoke. I'm more likely to go to a food serving pub where I can get us all a relatively cheap meal, I can have a pint with it, and none of us go home stinking of smoke. And no I'm not one of these who sit getting pissed while the kids run riot. My children sit drawing and colouring with paper and felt tips we bring with us, and shock horror we actually have a conversation.

If non smoking pubs and family friendly pubs didn't exist, I'd probably never step foot in a pub at all.

Ask a childless smoker and you'll get a completely different answer

With respect the profit margins are low on your type of trade. Youngsters drinking heavily are the best trade for pubs

True, but the same pub is packed out on a night, so obviously has appeal to a broad range "

Because there are so few other pubs open? That's what's happened here

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By *opping_candyWoman  over a year ago

West Yorkshire


"It depends who you ask!

I'm more likely to go to a pub because I won't go home stinking of smoke. I'm more likely to go to a food serving pub where I can get us all a relatively cheap meal, I can have a pint with it, and none of us go home stinking of smoke. And no I'm not one of these who sit getting pissed while the kids run riot. My children sit drawing and colouring with paper and felt tips we bring with us, and shock horror we actually have a conversation.

If non smoking pubs and family friendly pubs didn't exist, I'd probably never step foot in a pub at all.

Ask a childless smoker and you'll get a completely different answer

With respect the profit margins are low on your type of trade. Youngsters drinking heavily are the best trade for pubs

True, but the same pub is packed out on a night, so obviously has appeal to a broad range

Because there are so few other pubs open? That's what's happened here"

Plenty of pubs here! Including a couple of proper old school drinking man's pubs in the local area.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It depends who you ask!

I'm more likely to go to a pub because I won't go home stinking of smoke. I'm more likely to go to a food serving pub where I can get us all a relatively cheap meal, I can have a pint with it, and none of us go home stinking of smoke. And no I'm not one of these who sit getting pissed while the kids run riot. My children sit drawing and colouring with paper and felt tips we bring with us, and shock horror we actually have a conversation.

If non smoking pubs and family friendly pubs didn't exist, I'd probably never step foot in a pub at all.

Ask a childless smoker and you'll get a completely different answer

With respect the profit margins are low on your type of trade. Youngsters drinking heavily are the best trade for pubs

True, but the same pub is packed out on a night, so obviously has appeal to a broad range "

It depends what kind of pub you want to open, competition etc etc etc. Research and planning rather than just hoping for the best

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By *ichaelangelaCouple  over a year ago

notts


"Why is wine so bloody expensive in pubs?

I can buy a whole bottle for the price they charge for a glass "

Well. Ask the supermarket you get your wine from if they would provide a table & chairs. A carpet too maybe. Provide glasses and someone to serve it and clear up. Wash the glasses and wipe the table after you leave all for the same price you pay now.

Just a thought

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

One of the problems I find with some of the boozers in London is they change too much to attract trendy clientelle. One of my old fave's, the King's Head in Upper Street got taken over by Young's and it had a make over and got brightened up inside. It does smell better now, but they've also got TV's in there, and the price of a pint of Becks went up

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire


"A good pub will remain open because people will go there. Conversely, a poor pub will, in time, close due to lack of custom. "

this..

you either stay ahead of the game or you go under, its not down to the smoking ban or the government..

times change, hankering after the good old days is fine but when everyone else is moving on or doing whatever is needed to keep the punters spending then the good old days soon become the failed business..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My wife was in the industry for over 20 years, She says smoking did not kill of pubs it just changed our habbits and as she points out there's one road local to us that has 6 pubs within 10mins of each other all different and all busy. But other pubs in the area have long gone, yet they offered little to entice you in. 

She says a lot was down to the recession and the prices and she believes people cut back on going out and we've again changed our habits and not gone back to how we used them before 

Breweries don't help her last landlord was a tennent and often said he could by cheaper in the supermarket. What do the brewery care they could always sell it.

As for food it's what they now make money on, not wet sales. But she says even our habits have changed on eating out, when she started people would eat and drink all night and have several bottles of wines largers etc but even she noticed towards the end of her pub days people would still eat but drink far far less and leave tables early  

is this because most people would drive to destination pubs were as 10-15 -20 years ago people would drink several bottles and think nothing of driving home 

Is it down to location. audience, value, entertainment etc go into the city on a Fri/Sat night and every pub music bar is packed with youngsters

And if pubs were dying why is it that chains such as wetherspoon pubs continue to open pubs and thrive, there's only one reason I can see why traditional pubs are dying....because we've let them

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Property prices, tax, better adherence to driving sober (rather than the d*unk driving we all experienced in the 70s), wanting to involve your partner and children...

As for the smoking ban, the die-hards now take over the pavement well beyond the pub.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"My wife was in the industry for over 20 years, She says smoking did not kill of pubs it just changed our habbits and as she points out there's one road local to us that has 6 pubs within 10mins of each other all different and all busy. But other pubs in the area have long gone, yet they offered little to entice you in. 

She says a lot was down to the recession and the prices and she believes people cut back on going out and we've again changed our habits and not gone back to how we used them before 

Breweries don't help her last landlord was a tennent and often said he could by cheaper in the supermarket. What do the brewery care they could always sell it.

As for food it's what they now make money on, not wet sales. But she says even our habits have changed on eating out, when she started people would eat and drink all night and have several bottles of wines largers etc but even she noticed towards the end of her pub days people would still eat but drink far far less and leave tables early  

is this because most people would drive to destination pubs were as 10-15 -20 years ago people would drink several bottles and think nothing of driving home 

Is it down to location. audience, value, entertainment etc go into the city on a Fri/Sat night and every pub music bar is packed with youngsters

And if pubs were dying why is it that chains such as wetherspoon pubs continue to open pubs and thrive, there's only one reason I can see why traditional pubs are dying....because we've let them

"

I should have read this before posting.

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By *oachman 9CoolMan  over a year ago

derby


"I read somewhere that the number of pubs in the UK has actually been in decline since the opening hours act (was it 1915?)

Pubs have totally changed, I think we are striving towards a "cafe culture" that never existed here. The price of a pint has risen exponentially in the past few years.

No, I don't think we'll see the pubs of my youth again - although I don't think the smoking ban is/was to blame.

I kind of think its a shame, they used to be the lifeblood of the village I grew up in. There was always a kind of 'random' you got in a night at the pub that you don't get at house parties. "
Perhaps the drink/drive campaign starting back in the late 60,s early 70,s stopped people travelling out, and only locals would Visit.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

There's a lot of micro brewery pubs opening up here and seem to do well

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By *oachman 9CoolMan  over a year ago

derby


"I read somewhere that the number of pubs in the UK has actually been in decline since the opening hours act (was it 1915?)

Pubs have totally changed, I think we are striving towards a "cafe culture" that never existed here. The price of a pint has risen exponentially in the past few years.

No, I don't think we'll see the pubs of my youth again - although I don't think the smoking ban is/was to blame.

I kind of think its a shame, they used to be the lifeblood of the village I grew up in. There was always a kind of 'random' you got in a night at the pub that you don't get at house parties. Perhaps the drink/drive campaign starting back in the late 60,s early 70,s stopped people travelling out, and only locals would Visit."
We Were very fortunate last year to have a local bystander step forward and mount a petition to save our oldest local pub which he was successful in Doing, marstons the brewery could not Of cared less for the future of the Pub, to me I always valued marstons because of marstons beer, obviously the people in the background who deal with the paper work profits etc I never really thought off but of course Like everywhere else these are the people who pull the strings, not the People who personally fill the barrels up, so yes it was a close call, to have lost this building it would have been like cutting a large chunk out of The community, thank god there are people out there that care, and its not all about profits..

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By *angerousEyesMan  over a year ago

weston

No one thing killed off pubs and it certainly was not the smoking ban, that was just the final nail. The whole industry has been in massive decline for over the last 15 years. A change in culture an inability for some too change (pubs) heightened awareness of drink driving and cheap prices in supermarkets have all killed it, even pub chains have not helped, setting high unchangeable prices for tenants.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've no idea what it's like in your area, so I can only speak for mine. The brewery's are strangling it down my way and ultimately they will lose out. I looked at taking on my local last month and the costs are ridiculous now.

I was looking at 2.5k a month for the lease alone, let alone rates, utilities etc. Then the brewery demand you have a pot for training, delapidations, rainy days and whatever else is flavour of the month.

Unless you are freehold you are also tied into the beer so you can only sell it at the set price, which a lot of people struggle with these days.

There is still money to be made but it's certainly not as easy as it was 30 years ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

For me its the fact that I just can't see how a pint of anything can be over £3.50 or £4.

It doesn't matter whether anyone else like supermarkets are selling cheaper booze its just the fact that in many pubs now 2 pints of whatever are nearly a tenner.

I don't think that's tightness its more a case of the product being massively overpriced/valued.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"For me its the fact that I just can't see how a pint of anything can be over £3.50 or £4.

It doesn't matter whether anyone else like supermarkets are selling cheaper booze its just the fact that in many pubs now 2 pints of whatever are nearly a tenner.

I don't think that's tightness its more a case of the product being massively overpriced/valued."

The price isn't for the alcohol, it covers the glass it comes in, the bar it is served from, the person serving you, the person stacking the machine and the machine that then washes the glass. And the tax.

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By *icked weaselCouple  over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..

Think the Fact that I can get a Very nice Lager at the Supermarket for a !Quid for 500ml.. vs @ £3 Pint of Piss at the Local.. Has put me off

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Was in the pub trade many years whats gone wrong with them they have totally changed

All day opening as not worked if you have £10 to spend you would spend it just the same in the old hours as the new hour,s

So no benefit to the pub.

Then the biggest mistake opening all day Sunday what did we loose the best 3 hours on a Sunday dinner time you would have all week can remember when there was only 2 on Sunday lunch.

You knew your friends would be in from 12 but now any time on a Sunday they turn up.

Family values lost no Sunday roast we all would be home Sunday dinner then back out for 7.

What do you see now parents fetching there children in for burger and chips poor kids sat bored or with there i pad or running round going wild while mum and dad get pissed.

Poor Landlord says anything don,t talk to my child like that followed by a mouth full of abuse.

Smoking ban got mixed feelings with this one all the food houses have done better but the poor little pub that's not serving food are all going.

New years eve as never recovered since millennium we were running a big managed house and told we had to charge £25 per ticket they went on sale in June all managed companies did the same by September they had gone down to £10 because of no sales Christmas week told not to charge because we had not sold one not just our pub but all the big managed houses in the area buy it was nation wide,

People were having house parties hiring place,s out fetching there own drink.

All you younger people ask the older ones what pubs were like before all this came about.

Yes the good old pub is going some thing that should have been left alone but the Governments fucked it up for us all "
it's became too expensive ,if all you want to do is get pissed stay at home and have four cans of beer for price of one in a pub also a lot less people have a need to drink

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The pub industry was one of the top 5 least profitable businesses around in 2008. The absolute least profitable is still airlines

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By *icky999Man  over a year ago

warrington

you could always get beer from the offy but not fanny. fab killed the pubs. I heard we killed the kennedys too

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"One of the problems I find with some of the boozers in London is they change too much to attract trendy clientelle. One of my old fave's, the King's Head in Upper Street got taken over by Young's and it had a make over and got brightened up inside. It does smell better now, but they've also got TV's in there, and the price of a pint of Becks went up "

Attitudes have changed, drinking habits also.

Around by us there's a massive market for real ale pubs and they are thriving.

In total agreement that unless you're a free house, it's difficult.

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By *dventuroususCouple  over a year ago

sunderland


"For every smoker that stopped going to a pub, there are at least the same number who started going because they no longer coughed and felt I'll whilst out.

They also no longer smell awful the morning after.

I think the detergent industry may be the lose there. "

absolute rubbish, the closure of pubs and the amount of pubs struggling through has dramatically increased since the exact date of the smoking ban.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

I think lifestyle changes have had an influence on their decline. People more insular and gender social changes, such as men spending less time with each other.

They've faced greater competition in the leisure industry that's unprecedented. Computer games, people focused on health and the gym more etc. I think earnings have stagnated or declined, relative to massive increases in house prices and rents - leaving a finite pot of money that's dwindling.

Competition from supermarkets and large new chairs, like Wetherspoons, have taken a major toll on the more traditional pub. And the more isolated lifestyles people have exacerbates this.

You potentially have to make a big effort to find a pub with a sociable atmosphere now. My best pub is over 100 miles away - can walk in and the landlord/wife and staff know you and chat, alongside the customers. That's in Cambridgeshire but too far for me to go that often.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Wetherspoons for me will save the pub industry such that it is ,they understand that cost and environment matter ,they retrieve historic buildings restore them and bring local community watering holes back to life ,long live wetherspoons hugs

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I worked in the pub trade for many years until 3 years ago when I took over a smallish pub with a good loyal sports loving crowd, the food side was ok but needed building up. As that was my expertise I set about my task with gusto.

Within 2 weeks I'd discovered several illegal practises carried out by the previous manager designed to boost profits any way possible. I stopped it and after 2 months I'd lost my job as I wasn't profitable enough.

This was a large managed company. To many businesses now it's all about profit, no loyalty, certainly not about customers nor their safety and that shows. I wouldn't want to go to a pub where they're scrimping and saving on every drink, on every portion of chips

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

What a load of crap Wetherspoons have shut more pubs than any thing else they move into an area sell cheap beer so no one goes into the other pubs they close and spoons start to put the price up

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

pubs might actually have saved my life last year.

Got stranded on the way home from work on boxing day due to the snow, so i walked through Englands version of a blizzard and visited pubs on the way for hot drinks to stave off the cold

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"My wife was in the industry for over 20 years, She says smoking did not kill of pubs it just changed our habbits and as she points out there's one road local to us that has 6 pubs within 10mins of each other all different and all busy. But other pubs in the area have long gone, yet they offered little to entice you in. 

She says a lot was down to the recession and the prices and she believes people cut back on going out and we've again changed our habits and not gone back to how we used them before 

Breweries don't help her last landlord was a tennent and often said he could by cheaper in the supermarket. What do the brewery care they could always sell it.

As for food it's what they now make money on, not wet sales. But she says even our habits have changed on eating out, when she started people would eat and drink all night and have several bottles of wines largers etc but even she noticed towards the end of her pub days people would still eat but drink far far less and leave tables early  

is this because most people would drive to destination pubs were as 10-15 -20 years ago people would drink several bottles and think nothing of driving home 

Is it down to location. audience, value, entertainment etc go into the city on a Fri/Sat night and every pub music bar is packed with youngsters

And if pubs were dying why is it that chains such as wetherspoon pubs continue to open pubs and thrive, there's only one reason I can see why traditional pubs are dying....because we've let them

"

Totally agree.

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Thanks for all the comments loved the private message from the young couple who are 20 said the smoking ban killed pubs was better when they could smoke.

The smoking ban came in July 1st 2007 that means they were in pubs at 12 smoking and drinking but it says also on there profile they are experience swingers.

Think a lot of us older ones our sell by date as gone

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By *alandNitaCouple  over a year ago

Scunthorpe


"Thanks for all the comments loved the private message from the young couple who are 20 said the smoking ban killed pubs was better when they could smoke.

The smoking ban came in July 1st 2007 that means they were in pubs at 12 smoking and drinking but it says also on there profile they are experience swingers.

Think a lot of us older ones our sell by date as gone"

I would love a return to when having drink was a social thing you did with friends. It would only happen though if you couldn't get cheap drink from the supermarket.

Personally I think it would be great for society in general if you could only buy alcohol from pubs and off-licences.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I work for a large Brewer so see all the graphs and charts about on trade vs off trade. What's selling, what's not selling. What drinking trends are going on etc.

On trade is in decline, has been for years...off trade is what's taking the business away from pubs. Cheap bottles of fruit cider is where the serious profit is, and that's coming from off trade.

The smoking ban was going to happen sooner rather than later.

Real ale pubs are gaining popularity, micro breweries are popping up, but again this all depends on the area. Near us it's working perfectly.

Looking back through rose tinted glasses doesn't help, the pub game has changed massively and those that have changed with it are the ones that have survived.

The ones I've seen closed are generally owned by management companies where prices and products are set, so the landlords can't change with what's needed.......funny that.

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By *ath_Neil_bifunCouple  over a year ago

near cardiff


"

Was in the pub trade many years whats gone wrong with them they have totally changed

All day opening as not worked if you have £10 to spend you would spend it just the same in the old hours as the new hour,s

So no benefit to the pub.

Then the biggest mistake opening all day Sunday what did we loose the best 3 hours on a Sunday dinner time you would have all week can remember when there was only 2 on Sunday lunch.

You knew your friends would be in from 12 but now any time on a Sunday they turn up.

Family values lost no Sunday roast we all would be home Sunday dinner then back out for 7.

What do you see now parents fetching there children in for burger and chips poor kids sat bored or with there i pad or running round going wild while mum and dad get pissed.

Poor Landlord says anything don,t talk to my child like that followed by a mouth full of abuse.

Smoking ban got mixed feelings with this one all the food houses have done better but the poor little pub that's not serving food are all going.

New years eve as never recovered since millennium we were running a big managed house and told we had to charge £25 per ticket they went on sale in June all managed companies did the same by September they had gone down to £10 because of no sales Christmas week told not to charge because we had not sold one not just our pub but all the big managed houses in the area buy it was nation wide,

People were having house parties hiring place,s out fetching there own drink.

All you younger people ask the older ones what pubs were like before all this came about.

Yes the good old pub is going some thing that should have been left alone but the Governments fucked it up for us all "

I used to go the pub quite a lot in my younger days.now being a weekend dad I rarely get the chance,and when you get charged £3.50-£4.50 a pint I just don't see the appeal anymore.just seems drinkers are there to keep share prices high these days.

Then you have the fact I live right up in the darkest south wales valleys where most of the pubs are shit holes,that haven't been decorated since the 60s and 70s..they need to be out of business.

I'd much rather go a house party,preferably thrown by a swinger.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Was in the pub trade many years whats gone wrong with them they have totally changed

All day opening as not worked if you have £10 to spend you would spend it just the same in the old hours as the new hour,s

So no benefit to the pub.

Then the biggest mistake opening all day Sunday what did we loose the best 3 hours on a Sunday dinner time you would have all week can remember when there was only 2 on Sunday lunch.

You knew your friends would be in from 12 but now any time on a Sunday they turn up.

Family values lost no Sunday roast we all would be home Sunday dinner then back out for 7.

What do you see now parents fetching there children in for burger and chips poor kids sat bored or with there i pad or running round going wild while mum and dad get pissed.

Poor Landlord says anything don,t talk to my child like that followed by a mouth full of abuse.

Smoking ban got mixed feelings with this one all the food houses have done better but the poor little pub that's not serving food are all going.

New years eve as never recovered since millennium we were running a big managed house and told we had to charge £25 per ticket they went on sale in June all managed companies did the same by September they had gone down to £10 because of no sales Christmas week told not to charge because we had not sold one not just our pub but all the big managed houses in the area buy it was nation wide,

People were having house parties hiring place,s out fetching there own drink.

All you younger people ask the older ones what pubs were like before all this came about.

Yes the good old pub is going some thing that should have been left alone but the Governments fucked it up for us all

I agree with all what you say but one big reason is there is very few landlords/ ladies you could go in a pub and they were always there like friends you could chat to them now the bar staff while serving are very iften talking to their mates as they serve then just go away to chat amongst themselves.

Another thing is it has killed the chip shop trade who at 23.00 had everyone coming out of the pub at the same time and were very busy now they all shut hours earlier"

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Yes the Kebab shop as done that another English value gone the old chippy on way home

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By *o new WinksMan  over a year ago

BSE

Well...we have a new pub opened in our town and it's busy every night. Why ?

Maybe the £2.50 they charge for a pint.

Wetherspoons is always busy with differing crowds depending on time. I wonder why ?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Personally I'd make a few points:

- course the smoking ban affected pubs.

Not just money wise, but atmosphere wise. The smokers and drinkers were very much your pub atmosphere .

- price.

When I was first charged 4.50 for a pint , about 5 years ago - I Told the barmsn to keep the pint and left . Now, even boozers on my local high st charge 4.50-5 a pint.

So if you're out with a girl who prob drinks wine, 3 or 4 drinks and you've almost done 50 quid. That's £50 for what? Once or twice a week.,,., nah. I'll pass.

Guess it's old age, where you realize the foolishness of youthful pursuits. Standing in a bar handing my wallet over to the pub, just doesn't appeal any more. Beer/ wine - complete rip off round here.

And whatever atmosphere they had, long gone

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By *arkstaffsMan  over a year ago

Rugeley

One of the few parts of the licenced trade which is still increasing is Real Ale. This obviously only applies to those pubs which can be bothered to offer it. The days of the shithole with just keg beers and rubbish lager on are numbered.

What doesn't do the trade any favours is the actual ownership of pubs. The vast majority are owned by pubcos, not breweries. These property companies don't brew a drop but tie their tenants into agreements to buy their beer through them. Obviously at a higher price than on the open market.

Rents are reviewed regularly. If trade increases so does the rent! The pub trade must be one of the few where success is penalised!

The smoking ban didn't help. Some smokers stayed away and the none smokers didn't suddenly start using pubs..

The only way to stand a chance in the trade is to buy a free house.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

As a former pub landlord I have first hand experience, the pubco I was tied to did nothing to help except charge me exponential rents and beer prices, they had access to my accounts and knew what I turned over, the more I made the more they wanted!

You couldn't buy any beer in from a local source due to brew lines being installed and regular random checks.

The smoking ban had a lot to answer for, I think it should have been upto the premises to decide to allow smoking or not or have a separate room ventilated as was in the old days of the bar, lounge or snug!

And as for all day opening, yes it's probably added to the decline and social aspect of drinking, but then so has the loss of the off licence to the supermarkets who pile it high sell it cheap to anyone anytime .......

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I think the 2008 crash has affected it more than the smoking ban however the ban has affected the pub trade along with factors such as people drinking (and smoking) at home.

I don't miss going home stinking of smoke though that's for sure. "

Yes you are right.

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By *inky-MinxWoman  over a year ago

Grantham


"Am I reading this right? Being in the pub on a Sunday lunchtime and then back again at 7 on the evening somehow preserrves family values?

But families taking their children out to lunch doesn't?"

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By *inky-MinxWoman  over a year ago

Grantham

Personally I think the decline in, what the OP considers are the pubs of the good old days, happened because that type of place became obsolete.

I believe that culturally we have moved on, in the main, from using the pub as a place to drink yourself stupid. Regardless of prices, smoking bans, supermarket booze etc. we now like a place to be comfortable, friendly and serve good food.

There are exceptions of course, which is why Wetherspoons are always full

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By *ikeC81Man  over a year ago

harrow

I think it's a mixture of reasons

1) stricter drink driving

My parents would think nothing of going out having a number of beers and still driving home. They would go to a variety of places in south west London.

2) expensive taxi

I sometimes go out in Watford but it costs 25 quid for me to get a taxi home 8 miles as there is no night transport. It means I can't afford to go out that much

3) expensive booze

When u go out I would say I would spend over 60 quid easy, that is without a kebab and taxi home. The nice bars in Watford charge a 5 for vodka and Coke

4) the crash

The financial crash meant that people just did not have enough disposal income to go out. I would rather go for a in Indian get 4 bottles from a supermarket and drink it when having some food

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By *he tactile technicianMan  over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands


"A bit like fab profiles....."
hence your frothy top Steve

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By *inaTitzTV/TS  over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Times change, old business either adapt or go under.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"For me its the fact that I just can't see how a pint of anything can be over £3.50 or £4.

It doesn't matter whether anyone else like supermarkets are selling cheaper booze its just the fact that in many pubs now 2 pints of whatever are nearly a tenner.

I don't think that's tightness its more a case of the product being massively overpriced/valued.

The price isn't for the alcohol, it covers the glass it comes in, the bar it is served from, the person serving you, the person stacking the machine and the machine that then washes the glass. And the tax.

"

I take your point fully being somebody who runs a shop myself so I know the score with all the overhead costs.

The whys are an irrelevance though as two pints for a tenner is two pints for a tenner regardless.

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Like i said when i opened this thread all day opening think of the hours the pubs use to open and what they are open now.

We all said at the time we would have to pass the extra running cost on to the customer takings in the trade did go up for the first few weeks then started to drop. People stopped coming out in the week because they had over spent on a weekend

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Thanks for all your comments

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's mostly about cost that's bottom line you can buy a beer and a meal in wetherspoons for £4 simples hugs

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Pub chain food is crap sold it for years watched the quality drop to keep the price cheap

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Pub chain food is crap sold it for years watched the quality drop to keep the price cheap"
wetherspoons don't offer Michelin star food but if you are hungry it is good simple food and fills the gap on a Monday night you can get a pint of guinness for £2.15 any day you can get a Guinness and a crunchy chicken wrap and chips for £4.49 and its lovely

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Yes but customers expect Michelin star food believe me they think thats what they are buying

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes but customers expect Michelin star food believe me they think thats what they are buying "

I dont think that anyone is under the illusion that Michelin starred food is available at around £5 and has to be on the table within 10 minutes of ordering.

Almost everything is microwaved.

Like has been said spoons serves its purpose, where we live there's two and a third 3 mile way from them, yet the pubs around are still doing well.

The pubs attract customers who want quality over quantity

Spoons attracts those who want quality over quality

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Very true

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes but customers expect Michelin star food believe me they think thats what they are buying "

People go to 'sppons expecting quick cheap food. Nothing more, nothing less. People generally only complain if they are incapable of serving that.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Quantity over quality it should say

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

New what you meant

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yes but customers expect Michelin star food believe me they think thats what they are buying

People go to 'sppons expecting quick cheap food. Nothing more, nothing less. People generally only complain if they are incapable of serving that."

Totally agree but some stuff I've been told really is customers just trying to have one over.

My sweet chilli wrap was too spicy I want a full refund - this sort of stuff.

The amount of people that try it on is ridiculous.

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Bike Monkey have you ever worked in the Industry

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By *ary_JosephCouple  over a year ago

South Shields

The underlying factor in the north east seems to be the cheap booze in supermarkets. A lot of our friends and family drink indoors now and they all cite the same reasons, which is cost.

A previous post mentioned the all day opening hours. To a certain degree that is true. Again, up here the nightlife in the north east has changed dramatically since unlimited opening hours. I am no expert on the licenced trade but we can all tell that our old traditional pubs are all but dead and gone and the new wave of eatery pubs have taken over. Even the old working mens clubs are all but gone. I guess we'll just have to enjoy our local swinging clubs more....damn!!!

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Mary and Joseph all day opening as done the damage to working mens clubs in the old days they would open at 3 pm in the week you would leave the pub go to the club then at 5 back to the pub

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Bike Monkey have you ever worked in the Industry "

What relevance is that?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Mary and Joseph all day opening as done the damage to working mens clubs in the old days they would open at 3 pm in the week you would leave the pub go to the club then at 5 back to the pub"

So earlier in the thread all day opening was a bad thing as people make their money last longer. Now they weren't spending the money in the pub anyway?

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By *ty31Man  over a year ago

NW London

A fair few pubs go under because they cost so much to run- the value of the land they are on is worth a fortune and so many end up being knocked down and replaced with flats. Also communities have changed over the past few decades too- many people living in certain areas don't have a "pub culture" or don't drink at all for religious or cultural reasons. Also people today seem more health conscious so maybe don't booze quite so much as in days gone by.

Also the excessive taxes the Govt imposes each Budget don't help either

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By *oachman 9CoolMan  over a year ago

derby


"I've no idea what it's like in your area, so I can only speak for mine. The brewery's are strangling it down my way and ultimately they will lose out. I looked at taking on my local last month and the costs are ridiculous now.

I was looking at 2.5k a month for the lease alone, let alone rates, utilities etc. Then the brewery demand you have a pot for training, delapidations, rainy days and whatever else is flavour of the month.

Unless you are freehold you are also tied into the beer so you can only sell it at the set price, which a lot of people struggle with these days.

There is still money to be made but it's certainly not as easy as it was 30 years ago "
I,m not for modern pubs at all really they are for Younger people but beggars can,t be Choosers at times, luckily where I live we have 3 old character pubs, they are for a lot of people community Hubs just like part of the scenery have been there for generations, you Can,t really replace things like that Along with the history and background, Thats what makes the british pub or Any other pub be it in wales, scotland,or Ireland or elsewhere in the world special,you can only be Thankful and hope our public house,s Can survive into the future, for Other Generations too lets hope anyway.

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By *ty31Man  over a year ago

NW London

I can count at least 20 pubs in a 7 mile radius which have gone under in my life time. Sad when you think about it really.

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By *nfamyMan  over a year ago

Goole

I blame Thatcher

She was a cow

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

The Labour with the Beer orders started it

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By *oachman 9CoolMan  over a year ago

derby


"pubs might actually have saved my life last year.

Got stranded on the way home from work on boxing day due to the snow, so i walked through Englands version of a blizzard and visited pubs on the way for hot drinks to stave off the cold"
That must have been quite scary for you, luckily we don,t Experience such conditions as in past History, I could Imagine similar Stories comeing from past travellers Back to and before the coaching day times and Later, mind you being trapped inside your favourite local Just before christmas would give you a Headstart free on the house if only..

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By *oachman 9CoolMan  over a year ago

derby


"I think it's a mixture of reasons

1) stricter drink driving

My parents would think nothing of going out having a number of beers and still driving home. They would go to a variety of places in south west London.

2) expensive taxi

I sometimes go out in Watford but it costs 25 quid for me to get a taxi home 8 miles as there is no night transport. It means I can't afford to go out that much

3) expensive booze

When u go out I would say I would spend over 60 quid easy, that is without a kebab and taxi home. The nice bars in Watford charge a 5 for vodka and Coke, £5 for a vodka and , Its just 30 years since I Finished night clubs, disco,s etc, but Even then the prices in doors were not Cheap to drink and I,m sure at the time their prices were above pub prices, god knows what they are now, by the time you,d payed to get in, pay For your drinks, taxi back home.. I,m surprised thinking back apart from the Music which in the main and atmospheric wise was the centre point Of the night out for me, thou you Could,nt hear your self think and if You tried to chat you,d got no voice Next morning haha, all water under the bridge now, but I do agree freehold is The best for a pub to run and any extra`s like food being served is the Good back up, thou marstons still nearly fu**ed it all up still with all That running in our favourite local.

4) the crash

The financial crash meant that people just did not have enough disposal income to go out. I would rather go for a in Indian get 4 bottles from a supermarket and drink it when having some food

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Perhaps people being out the pub may actually be a good thing. You never know.

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

What a valued comment Thanks

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No problem.

Families spending more time together is a good thing.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Like i said when i opened this thread all day opening think of the hours the pubs use to open and what they are open now.

We all said at the time we would have to pass the extra running cost on to the customer takings in the trade did go up for the first few weeks then started to drop. People stopped coming out in the week because they had over spent on a weekend"

I agree these opening hours work in certain location in my home town there's a pub that does lunch hours then reopens at 6-11pm and its very full (they also have a over 30's policy but I was drinking there at 23 it was basically they think you were going to be loud and crass they told you you were too young)but I'm now in Manchester and the rents would kill not making the most of the time

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

very True

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"pubs might actually have saved my life last year.

Got stranded on the way home from work on boxing day due to the snow, so i walked through Englands version of a blizzard and visited pubs on the way for hot drinks to stave off the coldThat must have been quite scary for you, luckily we don,t Experience such conditions as in past History, I could Imagine similar Stories comeing from past travellers Back to and before the coaching day times and Later, mind you being trapped inside your favourite local Just before christmas would give you a Headstart free on the house if only.."

I've been out in worse, but yeah, I can imagine it would be fun to have a lock in at a local because of shite weather.

I'd probably do similar if I ran a pub

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By *inky-MinxWoman  over a year ago

Grantham

It's fun just to have a lock in sometimes

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By *icked weaselCouple  over a year ago

Near Edinburgh..


"It's fun just to have a lock in sometimes "

It`s Not a Lock-In..

It`s a Private Party !!!

If the cops ask..

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"No problem.

Families spending more time together is a good thing. "

What has one to do with the other? I spent a lot of time in beer gardens with my folks as a kid.. now if I go out back home on a Friday, I know which pub I'll find my mum and dad in....

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Too many kids are brought up in pubs saw it all the time in the pub every time there parents were in

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Too many kids are brought up in pubs saw it all the time in the pub every time there parents were in"

As long as they're brought up to be good people, and their parents are responsible, it wouldn't be a problem... However, that's not always the case

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

There very few and far between those sort of parents believe me

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Proliferation of cheap booze available in virtually every shop and a change in people's behaviour. The better operators have changed their pubs and are still thriving, those that didn't have disappeared.

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

But every one does not want a modern pub we ran big managed modern pubs on our day off we would go to the little old fashioned ones

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"But every one does not want a modern pub we ran big managed modern pubs on our day off we would go to the little old fashioned ones "

Lots of little old fashioned pubs near me are still busy, it is about tailoring your offering to the clientele you want. The better managers have done that.

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By *eavenNhellCouple  over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

A lot of pubs in the inner city suburbs are closing as the demographic of the population is changing . The white indigenous working classes have moved further out into the country leaving those ares to the imigrents to move in a large percentage of which are Muslim and there for do not drink or frequent pubs hence loss of business .a businessman tried opening a "dry " pub in Oldham as a place for non drinkers to meet it failed miserably

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By *ormalguy71Man  over a year ago

Tunbridge Wells

Many things are to blame. From the government keep putting the price of a pint up to the supermarkets selling beer of so cheap that it makes sense to stay home now.

Most pubs now concentrate more on the food side as there are huge profits to be made, and the larger companies run so many special offers daily, my local, not a weather spoons, but daily deals from curry n pint one night, burger n pint for £5, another night kids eat for £1.

Without the profit from food most pubs just simply would not survive.

My local shut 3 years ago, I started a group to prevent it from being sold for redevelopment. Put things like orders on the trees preventing them from being cut down, lobbied that there is s public footpath through the car park.

When we discovered a chain was interested we knew it would be mainly food, so we lobbied them to keep the pool table, darts board juke box etc, after several meetings we won. We now have a lovely local doing good priced food but that has kept all the old boozer parts and an over 18s bar

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By *errygTV/TS  over a year ago

denton

a friend of mine had a pub brewery charged him more for a pint than the pub 5 min walk away sold over the counter, smoking ban didnt help either, if the brewers dont sell in the pub they sell in supermarket, my workmate had a pub, put bands on at weekends doing very well, then brewery doubled his rent, he gave it up, cant even buy own barrels as i believe they have flow meters in pipe work

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Thanks for all your valued comments

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Thanks for all the private message will try and get back to you all

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

Thanks again

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Thanks again"

You're welcome. It's a very interesting topic and appropriate for me with my future plans

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

thanks

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"As a former pub landlord I have first hand experience, the pubco I was tied to did nothing to help except charge me exponential rents and beer prices, they had access to my accounts and knew what I turned over, the more I made the more they wanted!

You couldn't buy any beer in from a local source due to brew lines being installed and regular random checks.

The smoking ban had a lot to answer for, I think it should have been upto the premises to decide to allow smoking or not or have a separate room ventilated as was in the old days of the bar, lounge or snug!

And as for all day opening, yes it's probably added to the decline and social aspect of drinking, but then so has the loss of the off licence to the supermarkets who pile it high sell it cheap to anyone anytime ....... "

Ex tied pubco landlady here also. . Never again. Glorified accountants I like to call them.

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By *isexmistressWoman  over a year ago

Prestwich

MANCHESTERS FRIENDLIEST PUB

where i work (topless) every 3 weeks is the Bike N hound in Hyde..

It offers;

cheap booze..

cheap pool@ ONLY 50P A GAME

and even cheaper banter when im on serving..The locals are THE friendliest bunch and make any new faces feel welcome,which is unusual, with alot of pubs being clickey,soulless and not all that friendy..

Im there on the 12th if you wanna pop in ,say hi and share a friendly banter ..

If you enjoy,make it your local as friendly non generic pubs need people to support them

See you there x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I live in a small village with just one pub. I love my local. Go in on any given night and its like Care in the Community. Always guaranteed a bit of entertainment

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

drink driving, smoking ban and greedy breweries putting rents up etc

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By *exWithThePrettyCouple  over a year ago

Ilford

Pubs being worth more as real estate than drinking establishments has a lot to do with them closing. Also there's no need for planning permission to turn them into McD's or supermarkets.

These on top of various other reasons. But while many round our way have closed, others have re-invented themselves & are doing very well. Micro-breweries too.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Smoking ban, pure and simple. Pubs went into decline from the time of the ban"
yes yes yes. most of the smokers i know now stay at home have smoking friends around. cheap beer from the supermarket and smoke in comfort not standing out in the rain, who can blame them,

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By *icolerobbieCouple  over a year ago

walsall


"Pubs being worth more as real estate than drinking establishments has a lot to do with them closing. Also there's no need for planning permission to turn them into McD's or supermarkets.

These on top of various other reasons. But while many round our way have closed, others have re-invented themselves & are doing very well. Micro-breweries too. "

They are split up into bedsits and rented to drug addicts these days....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

All my locals are now demolished and turned into flats

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's not exactly one thing in particular that's knocking the good British pub off the map but a number of things,alot of which have been mentioned here already.

The smoking ban didn't help matters,but the landlord who caters in the best possible way for the smokers will reap the rewards.

Government with taxowhateverymighty&influencing social life from numerous angles didn't help.

Also gotta agree that some landlord and ladies didn't help things,just from not necessarily moving with the times but just not adjusting at all&still using sawdust as a floor.

How many peeps out there know the name of the barperson(barman/woman...pc bollox)who usually serves you in your local?.........if there is such a thing,towns&cities now have such a variety of drinking establishments that people can drink in a different location every night.

I have fond memories of lock ins&even on one occasion four very d*unk lads trying to tiptoe out the pub as the landlord had nodded off behind the bar at around half two in the morning.........needless to say we didn't quite make it,woke the fella up&his first words were "Eye,same again lads",who were we to say no lol.

The bar&the gastro pub are kicking the old British boozer into hiding................................not defeated,just hiding.

There are still some absolute cracking pubs out there&its mainly down to the management and landlords/ladies(why is this not a person....pc brigade question)who manage to keep that fantastic balance of good atmosphere,good drink and food,adjusting to suit the times and a damn good bit of banter.

Long live the British Pub&all who get sozzled in her.

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By *at2Couple  over a year ago

north Down

Huge business rates and alcohol tax rises since the early 1990s combined with endless regulations and high pressure sales targets from brewery's who have squeezed the profits of landlords to an all time low.. Yes the smoking ban had an effect but more to do with splitting people by forcing patrons into two separate groups thus affecting the overall atmosphere, making cheap supermarket drink and a night in with friends more appealing .... All this combined makes running a pub a much less attractive business ideal...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Sorry but I completely disagree."
us as well.....prefer the smoking ban and the bars in Newcastle are still heaving

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By *arkstaffsMan  over a year ago

Rugeley

The few days before Christmas saw the once a year drinkers make their annual visit to the pub which they expected to be there despite never having used it all year. It always seemed to be those who caused the most problems too. Now the pubs are back to normal and the regulars can enjoy them. The annual drinkers have gone back to the supermarkets...

Will the pub still be there next Christmas though? Use it or lose it.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan  over a year ago

London

There are loads of great pubs in Birmingham doing well.

I'd say the required standard has gone up, with competition. The days when you had to go to places which served crappy beer and had no atmosphere because there was nowhere better are going fast, thankfully.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My local did a wine and cheese night before Xmas, loads of people tasting but even for those who didn't he brought around plates of cheese and biscuits on the house. The area used to have loads of pubs but now just down to two, but both of them are always busy.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Was only in the pub last night talking about this. Many reasons for decline in our area - in no particular order:-

1) In excess of 50,000 muslims in our town now - they don't drink - I could name at least 40 pubs that have closed down because now 90% muslim population in that locality

2) Smoking ban - personally think they should have kept a 'smoking room' - had a very big effect around here

3)Price of a pint - utterly ridiculous in some places - paid £3.80 for a pint of bitter in Portsmouth when travelling last week - a rip off

4) Change in youth culture - the pub was a 'right of passage' when I was a youth - not any more - they would rather smoke (cheaper) or play games on computers - weird to me but that's the way it is.

5) Pubs becoming eateries - personally can't stand drinking a pint with the smell of food around but that's the way it's gone - obviously more profit in food sales.

All sad because, with some pubs, once the current generation of drinkers has gone there is no youth coming through to keep them going.

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By *arkstaffsMan  over a year ago

Rugeley


"There are loads of great pubs in Birmingham doing well.

I'd say the required standard has gone up, with competition. The days when you had to go to places which served crappy beer and had no atmosphere because there was nowhere better are going fast, thankfully."

I quite agree. Some dumps serving crap keg beer deserve to go and Brum has some great pubs. Decent real ale is a pleasure to savour.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS  over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts


"Was only in the pub last night talking about this. Many reasons for decline in our area - in no particular order:-

1) In excess of 50,000 muslims in our town now - they don't drink - I could name at least 40 pubs that have closed down because now 90% muslim population in that locality

2) Smoking ban - personally think they should have kept a 'smoking room' - had a very big effect around here

3)Price of a pint - utterly ridiculous in some places - paid £3.80 for a pint of bitter in Portsmouth when travelling last week - a rip off

4) Change in youth culture - the pub was a 'right of passage' when I was a youth - not any more - they would rather smoke (cheaper) or play games on computers - weird to me but that's the way it is.

5) Pubs becoming eateries - personally can't stand drinking a pint with the smell of food around but that's the way it's gone - obviously more profit in food sales.

All sad because, with some pubs, once the current generation of drinkers has gone there is no youth coming through to keep them going."

I quite like not being in the 1970s when it comes to pubs.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

Was in the pub trade many years whats gone wrong with them they have totally changed

All day opening as not worked if you have £10 to spend you would spend it just the same in the old hours as the new hour,s

So no benefit to the pub.

Then the biggest mistake opening all day Sunday what did we loose the best 3 hours on a Sunday dinner time you would have all week can remember when there was only 2 on Sunday lunch.

You knew your friends would be in from 12 but now any time on a Sunday they turn up.

Family values lost no Sunday roast we all would be home Sunday dinner then back out for 7.

What do you see now parents fetching there children in for burger and chips poor kids sat bored or with there i pad or running round going wild while mum and dad get pissed.

Poor Landlord says anything don,t talk to my child like that followed by a mouth full of abuse.

Smoking ban got mixed feelings with this one all the food houses have done better but the poor little pub that's not serving food are all going.

New years eve as never recovered since millennium we were running a big managed house and told we had to charge £25 per ticket they went on sale in June all managed companies did the same by September they had gone down to £10 because of no sales Christmas week told not to charge because we had not sold one not just our pub but all the big managed houses in the area buy it was nation wide,

People were having house parties hiring place,s out fetching there own drink.

All you younger people ask the older ones what pubs were like before all this came about.

Yes the good old pub is going some thing that should have been left alone but the Governments fucked it up for us all "
the pub industry priced themselves out of popularity also a lot of people drink less but I went in a pub the other day they charged £4.50 for a pint of guiness and yet the local wetherspoons on a Monday night £2.15 so its mainly cost oh and a lot of people want food as well

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Sorry but I completely disagree."
us as well...never better than now,don't have to go all the way to Edinburgh for a decent session...lazy parents will still be lazy parents feeding kids shit whilst drinking in the house... My mates all meet up with me at 2 30 on a Sunday for a session... We're in the house by 8 bed at ten and fresh for work and bot hung over like the old days....now that's social not ramming 8 pints down in two hours due to archaic laws

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

More choices?

Now you can have hundreds of channels on TV, Internet, video games all at home.

Still like going to the pub though.

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By *raceytvcdTV/TS  over a year ago

mansfield


"I blame Thatcher

She was a cow"

Mmm ithink your right the decline started when the pits started closing,no miners with pounds in there pockets

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By *arkstaffsMan  over a year ago

Rugeley

That's certainly true around here. Before the pit shut the pubs were always very busy. Now the place is a ghost town.

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By *oyce69Man  over a year ago

Driffield

Greedy governments, greedy brewery's, smoking ban, 24hr opening and cheap supermarket alcohol have all impacted on the pub trade to some degree but there are other reasons as well, I don't drink in my local as there is no atmosphere whatsoever. I travel to a bar/restaurant a few miles away where the atmosphere is friendly and welcoming.

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys


"Greedy governments, greedy brewery's, smoking ban, 24hr opening and cheap supermarket alcohol have all impacted on the pub trade to some degree but there are other reasons as well, I don't drink in my local as there is no atmosphere whatsoever. I travel to a bar/restaurant a few miles away where the atmosphere is friendly and welcoming.

"
True

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

People have changed. No one wants to sit in a smokey pub,full of men having a drink before they go home to the family after work. People want to be doing things with their children or going to bars with their partners. Pubs are out-dated and in the past.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Can't help but laugh at the idea of 'us' rolling home for a Sunday Roast...

Us being males as the 'woman' was at home cooking it AND looking after the kids.

Ahhhhh the good ole days.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Can't help but laugh at the idea of 'us' rolling home for a Sunday Roast...

Us being males as the 'woman' was at home cooking it AND looking after the kids.

Ahhhhh the good ole days. "

I never got to experience them.

So unfair.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

There are about 10 million adults who smoke

cigarettes in Great Britain:

? this is about a sixth of the total UK population

? In Great Britain 22% of adult men and 17% of

adult women are smokers

Smoking rates have more than halved since 1974

when 51% of men and 41% of women smoked

Smoking prevalence is highest in the 25-34 age

group (25%) and lowest amongst those aged 60 and

over (11%).

More than half (58%) of all adults report that they have

never smoked.

Smoking rates are much higher among poorer

people. In 2013, 12% of adults in managerial and

professional occupations smoked compared with 29% in routine and manual occupations..

I thought these might be relevant to the 'no smoking killed the pub'debate.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

I just ask Jeeves to chill the cocktail glasses and stoke the logs..... bliss

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By *aneandpaul OP   Couple  over a year ago

cleveleys

All day opening did the damage

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple  over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)


"A good pub will remain open because people will go there. Conversely, a poor pub will, in time, close due to lack of custom.

A bit like fab profiles....."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My works on its arse on a day shift 12 to 6 best of 10 people lol

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By *thwalescplCouple  over a year ago

brecon


"It depends who you ask!

I'm more likely to go to a pub because I won't go home stinking of smoke. I'm more likely to go to a food serving pub where I can get us all a relatively cheap meal, I can have a pint with it, and none of us go home stinking of smoke. And no I'm not one of these who sit getting pissed while the kids run riot. My children sit drawing and colouring with paper and felt tips we bring with us, and shock horror we actually have a conversation.

If non smoking pubs and family friendly pubs didn't exist, I'd probably never step foot in a pub at all.

Ask a childless smoker and you'll get a completely different answer

With respect the profit margins are low on your type of trade. Youngsters drinking heavily are the best trade for pubs"

I was always under the impression (from two friends who run pubs) that food and soft drinks were the most profitable end of the pub trade?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Can't help but laugh at the idea of 'us' rolling home for a Sunday Roast...

Us being males as the 'woman' was at home cooking it AND looking after the kids.

Ahhhhh the good ole days.

I never got to experience them.

So unfair."

I lived through it and survived. My friend took her husband's roast dinner up to the pub and put it down in front of him. It was dried to a crisp from being in the oven for hours. My best friend's dad went to the club every Friday night,Saturday night and Sunday afternoon; once in a while we would go with him on a Saturday with her mum too. My dad wasn't a pub goer,we went visiting or had visitors over at weekends. The only time we went to the club was for bingo with my mum or special occasions when my aunt and cousins came too.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

The best bit was not being too pissed before mass and going back to the pub to finish the job after church/lunch.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

On the bright side, I'm sure there are many happier livers in the UK now.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"On the bright side, I'm sure there are many happier livers in the UK now. "

Not with Stella @ 6 for a fiver

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The best bit was not being too pissed before mass and going back to the pub to finish the job after church/lunch."

Holding your breath as you shake the priest's hand on your way out (he probably was too)

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"On the bright side, I'm sure there are many happier livers in the UK now.

Not with Stella @ 6 for a fiver "

This is true. I wouldn't like to admit how many empty beer cans are near me now.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think the British culture has changed dramatically over the years and that has some influence on the declining pub trade.

People have mentioned all the things that have also contributed to it's demise and all are equally relevant imo.

I do think it's irreversible and many more pubs will close in the coming years.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"On the bright side, I'm sure there are many happier livers in the UK now.

Not with Stella @ 6 for a fiver

This is true. I wouldn't like to admit how many empty beer cans are near me now."

It's the weekend,you're allowed

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The so called big breweries not helping their tenants has a lot to do with it

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple  over a year ago

Derbyshire


"

I quite like not being in the 1970s when it comes to pubs. "

Ahh, the glory days. When mam was only allowed in one side of the bar, and us kids had to sit outside in the car with our bottle of and packet of Smiths crisps. When it was the norm for men to spend the whole evening, and most of their wages in the boozer before going home to beat their wives (who knew their place back then). When it was considered the norm to have a skinfull before the drive home, and anyone saying "just a shandy for me" ostracized for being a woolley-woofter. (I once had a pint of bitter bought for me because, although he knew I was driving, he refused to ask for a ginger beer )

Maybe our generation just has different priorities and the pubs that are closing refused to move with the times?

That said, I remember reading an article saying how the car reinvigorated many of the old coaching inns that were closing by the score through lack of trade between the wars...

Mr ddc

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Apparently one pub closes per day I read somewhere

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Which I find difficult to believe otherwise they'd all be gone by now.

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By *rightonsteveMan  over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

A bit like this thread, really

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By *erbyDalesCplCouple  over a year ago

Derbyshire


"A bit like this thread, really "

Doh!

You forgot to sound 'last orders'

{ding, ding}

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