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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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A mega structure mosque biggest in the UK, that could hold 10,000 worshippers was rejected at newhams site, the planning of it has been going on for 16 years.
The reason was that they wanted to build housing there instead, the leaders of the mosque wasn't happy, but in this climate we need housing more, so I think the government did the right thing, have you heard the news and what do you think of it? It is big news here in London. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As Newham is a very built up area my concern would be about parking and traffic when the mosque was being used. It's murder in my daughter's estate on certain church days and when they have weddings and parties,because of the small roads and no parking. Housing is needed everywhere but especially in and around London where people want to live. 16 years is a lot of wasted time and effort.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself.."
I can ask what ever I want as it is an open forum and no its not that important, but it is good with different views isn't it?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A mega structure mosque biggest in the UK, that could hold 10,000 worshippers was rejected at newhams site, the planning of it has been going on for 16 years.
The reason was that they wanted to build housing there instead, the leaders of the mosque wasn't happy, but in this climate we need housing more, so I think the government did the right thing, have you heard the news and what do you think of it? It is big news here in London."
Shag, if housing is a greater priority (as it may well be in London), then it sounds like a reasonable decision. Why do you think this is big news? I am sure if the Roman Catholic church had applied, the result would be no different. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"where do you think would be the best place to build the mosque?"
Well, a good idea would be in a less populated area I think, or maibe not so big mosque but smaller one.
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the original author is an immigrant themselves.... from Sweden I believe, so is it more a race issue/religious question?
I have nothing against Muslims, Jews, Hindu's, Christians, Buddhists or any other religion.... as for the mosque v housing issue, I think affordable housing for first time buyers is a priority nationally... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"the original author is an immigrant themselves.... from Sweden I believe, so is it more a race issue/religious question?
I have nothing against Muslims, Jews, Hindu's, Christians, Buddhists or any other religion.... as for the mosque v housing issue, I think affordable housing for first time buyers is a priority nationally..."
no it is not a religious thing as I am a non believer myself, just thought it was an interesting thing to get different views on you know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"where do you think would be the best place to build the mosque?Well, a good idea would be in a less populated area I think, or maibe not so big mosque but smaller one."
pretty pointless building a place of worship that can cope with 10,000 people in a much less populated area...does it have more to do with what type of worshippers they are i wonder... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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And... is there such a thing as "affordable housing" in london?
All i see is an opportunity for people to line their pockets. Don't see a problem with giving people a place to worship if that is what is needed. Then again, with numbers in churches dwindling they could always convert them... the churches i mean, not the christians. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"where do you think would be the best place to build the mosque?Well, a good idea would be in a less populated area I think, or maibe not so big mosque but smaller one.
pretty pointless building a place of worship that can cope with 10,000 people in a much less populated area...does it have more to do with what type of worshippers they are i wonder..."
That is a good point and I didn't think of that, yeah they would need to be in a city to have that many worshippers as well. |
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself.."
Not just me then. Even more strange he's an immigrant himself but always starting these types of threads! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself..
Not just me then. Even more strange he's an immigrant himself but always starting these types of threads! "
As I said, it is just news lol. |
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"A mega structure mosque biggest in the UK, that could hold 10,000 worshippers was rejected at newhams site, the planning of it has been going on for 16 years.
The reason was that they wanted to build housing there instead, the leaders of the mosque wasn't happy, but in this climate we need housing more, so I think the government did the right thing, have you heard the news and what do you think of it? It is big news here in London."
Certainly not big news here in croydon and we're only a few miles apart lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I doubt the housing that will be built will be affordable...there is no affordable housing in London hence why I moved..."
The council,like mine,is probably skint and the housing development company offered more than the Mosque did for the land. They may have done a deal with the company to offer some of the abodes as affordable housing to council tenants,like my Borough does. |
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"I doubt the housing that will be built will be affordable...there is no affordable housing in London hence why I moved...
The council,like mine,is probably skint and the housing development company offered more than the Mosque did for the land. They may have done a deal with the company to offer some of the abodes as affordable housing to council tenants,like my Borough does. "
Developers have to give 5% of all new builds to local authorities for social housing...hardly any LA are building new houses but there are many a run down street with empty homes which could be used but that's a whole different thread. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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On going for 16 years? I have a feeling it's not going to end over the latest decision. Think there's a lot of handshakes, brown envelopes, winks, to be exchanged yet before a final final final outcome. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A mega structure mosque biggest in the UK, that could hold 10,000 worshippers was rejected at newhams site, the planning of it has been going on for 16 years.
The reason was that they wanted to build housing there instead, the leaders of the mosque wasn't happy, but in this climate we need housing more, so I think the government did the right thing, have you heard the news and what do you think of it? It is big news here in London.
Shag, if housing is a greater priority (as it may well be in London), then it sounds like a reasonable decision. Why do you think this is big news? I am sure if the Roman Catholic church had applied, the result would be no different."
yeah I don't think it would of mattered what faith the building was being used for ....I think housing should win here |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"On going for 16 years? I have a feeling it's not going to end over the latest decision. Think there's a lot of handshakes, brown envelopes, winks, to be exchanged yet before a final final final outcome."
Same here, it might drag on for a while as its been in planning for 16 years, pretty long time aint it.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"On going for 16 years? I have a feeling it's not going to end over the latest decision. Think there's a lot of handshakes, brown envelopes, winks, to be exchanged yet before a final final final outcome.Same here, it might drag on for a while as its been in planning for 16 years, pretty long time aint it."
Yes think it will be milked by everyone involved, Muslim extremists, MPs , EDL, Far right, press, it can even help boost the local economy, the possibilities are endless. It's in everyone's interest for it to drag on another 16 years. Except "Real" people with housing needs...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A mega structure mosque biggest in the UK, that could hold 10,000 worshippers was rejected at newhams site, the planning of it has been going on for 16 years.
The reason was that they wanted to build housing there instead, the leaders of the mosque wasn't happy, but in this climate we need housing more, so I think the government did the right thing, have you heard the news and what do you think of it? It is big news here in London."
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself.."
i have to agree that with the sentiment that there is a common theme at times with the OP, and as for 'big news' it simply isn't..
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"On going for 16 years? I have a feeling it's not going to end over the latest decision. Think there's a lot of handshakes, brown envelopes, winks, to be exchanged yet before a final final final outcome.Same here, it might drag on for a while as its been in planning for 16 years, pretty long time aint it.
Yes think it will be milked by everyone involved, Muslim extremists, MPs , EDL, Far right, press, it can even help boost the local economy, the possibilities are endless. It's in everyone's interest for it to drag on another 16 years. Except "Real" people with housing needs......"
That is right and as well, it makes you wonder why it have gone on for 16 years, if they could build it, why not 16 years ago. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"As Newham is a very built up area my concern would be about parking and traffic when the mosque was being used. It's murder in my daughter's estate on certain church days and when they have weddings and parties,because of the small roads and no parking. Housing is needed everywhere but especially in and around London where people want to live. 16 years is a lot of wasted time and effort.
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so where will the residents of the new houses built on this site park ? or which schools would there off spring attend along with doctors nurserys dentists etc etc as you say its already very built up so does it need more people crowding an all ready limited space ? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"As Newham is a very built up area my concern would be about parking and traffic when the mosque was being used. It's murder in my daughter's estate on certain church days and when they have weddings and parties,because of the small roads and no parking. Housing is needed everywhere but especially in and around London where people want to live. 16 years is a lot of wasted time and effort.
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If its a problem when a wedding is on which could only have, maybe 200 people attending? Then having 10,000 attending there sounds fairly impracticable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As Newham is a very built up area my concern would be about parking and traffic when the mosque was being used. It's murder in my daughter's estate on certain church days and when they have weddings and parties,because of the small roads and no parking. Housing is needed everywhere but especially in and around London where people want to live. 16 years is a lot of wasted time and effort.
so where will the residents of the new houses built on this site park ? or which schools would there off spring attend along with doctors nurserys dentists etc etc as you say its already very built up so does it need more people crowding an all ready limited space ?"
They might have undergone or bottom floor parking,schools will add an extra classroom,someone will open up another nursery in their house, doctors will add them to their patient lists and tell them to go to a&e or a walk in centre if there's no appointments. If they can't get a dentist they will do what my mum did and go miles to visit one. That's what they do already everywhere else in and around London. |
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By *andS66Couple
over a year ago
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself.."
What part of "I think it's a good thing that the government rejected it" is not voicing his opinion? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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You do like to promote a little bit of controversy don't ya Shag ? 
Question : will these threads die down when 'I'm a Celebrity ...' starts again ?
I look forward to some Scorpions arseholes threads |
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"I'm not sure...
What do you think, OP?
I'm sure.
Housing must always come before a monument to a non existent deity and his warmongering (so called) prophet."
'Warmongering'...obviously not a researched subject then!  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You do like to promote a little bit of controversy don't ya Shag ?
Question : will these threads die down when 'I'm a Celebrity ...' starts again ?
I look forward to some Scorpions arseholes threads "
lol abit maibe. I cant see it to be any difference from debating on any kind on news |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself..
What part of "I think it's a good thing that the government rejected it" is not voicing his opinion? "
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By (user no longer on site)
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Religion should be banned in the UK. It causes nothing but suffering and war, an idea made up when people where in times of need and written in a way to conform and control people.
Once religion is banned we should knock down all buildings of worship and build affordable housing on them all.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Religion should be banned in the UK. It causes nothing but suffering and war, an idea made up when people where in times of need and written in a way to conform and control people.
Once religion is banned we should knock down all buildings of worship and build affordable housing on them all.
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or just keep buildings that by todays standards are still gonna outlive cheap affordable housing...I'm sure many folk live in converted churches etc....
but..religion isn't the evil , greed and manipulation are...whether its made up or not, even the most scientific minds have no issue with spirituality. |
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"Religion should be banned in the UK. It causes nothing but suffering and war, an idea made up when people where in times of need and written in a way to conform and control people.
Once religion is banned we should knock down all buildings of worship and build affordable housing on them all.
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. Why should religion be banned ?. The truely religious have achieved great things and we should look up to them. What. about all the problems that non religious people casuse ?. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Could we build our church in there country or site in the street reading our Bible shouting passages out in the street"
It's funny how when any Masjid/Mosque subject comes up, people want to defend Christianity people that normally wouldn't consider themselves Christian. I know in India and Pakistan there are Churches there from when the British ruled and plenty of Asian Christian converts, I've also heard of churches in the Middle East, yes they might be in the minority but not much different then the major cities of the UK. The days of identifying a race with a religion is on its way out. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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there has not been affordable housing in newham since the olympics was announced.... and loads of people who did live there made a killing on their houses and sold up and move out eastwards......
what are the safeguards of people who were to get this housing not doing the same thing lets say 3-5 years from now? unless its all basically going to local housing authorities.. or housing trusts... there is no way to counter it |
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"there has not been affordable housing in newham since the olympics was announced.... and loads of people who did live there made a killing on their houses and sold up and move out eastwards......
what are the safeguards of people who were to get this housing not doing the same thing lets say 3-5 years from now? unless its all basically going to local housing authorities.. or housing trusts... there is no way to counter it"
It's the same all over the UK, the government should allow tax free affordable housing that can be built cheaply and then sold cheaply but with strict restrictions. Firstly they can only be sold to people who have lived in the area for x amount of years, secondly they can only resell to people who have lived in the area for x years and then the price is restricted to ?% increase per year and thirdly they are not allowed to rent the house to anyone. This is already used In some areas but I think it's a good way to allow people a start in owning a property |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"there has not been affordable housing in newham since the olympics was announced.... and loads of people who did live there made a killing on their houses and sold up and move out eastwards......
what are the safeguards of people who were to get this housing not doing the same thing lets say 3-5 years from now? unless its all basically going to local housing authorities.. or housing trusts... there is no way to counter it"
The couple who bought my mother in law's house were given a £30k relocation grant to move from Newham council,to buy a place in Dagenham. |
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"there has not been affordable housing in newham since the olympics was announced.... and loads of people who did live there made a killing on their houses and sold up and move out eastwards......
what are the safeguards of people who were to get this housing not doing the same thing lets say 3-5 years from now? unless its all basically going to local housing authorities.. or housing trusts... there is no way to counter it"
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Just apply capital gains to housing, it really is very simple, take the profit out of housing and watch happens to the prices...
Of course this is not going to happen because banks like bigger mortgages and the public are in the main gullible fools |
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself.."
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You were the first person to actually write "immigrant" , his post was about a mosque in London over housing.... What's that got to do with immigrants! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself...
You were the first person to actually write "immigrant" , his post was about a mosque in London over housing.... What's that got to do with immigrants!"
That is right as the post is about the mosque there. |
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself...
You were the first person to actually write "immigrant" , his post was about a mosque in London over housing.... What's that got to do with immigrants!"
green arrow....
Sorry shag, I've yet to see you recently post anything serious that does not point out something on the news about asylum seekers,immigrants,Muslims...
I can bet with my life id I jump on a britain first page, all I will see is putrid fuckwits posting vile comments about the 'victory'..
I even have my dad spouting the shite at me(and he's white),stories from several years ago(that pop uo claiming to be todays news)..fake documents etc etc etc about immigrants..asylum seekers..refugees..
I'm just generally sick of the fucking lot of it.
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself...
You were the first person to actually write "immigrant" , his post was about a mosque in London over housing.... What's that got to do with immigrants!
green arrow....
Sorry shag, I've yet to see you recently post anything serious that does not point out something on the news about asylum seekers,immigrants,Muslims...
I can bet with my life id I jump on a britain first page, all I will see is putrid fuckwits posting vile comments about the 'victory'..
I even have my dad spouting the shite at me(and he's white),stories from several years ago(that pop uo claiming to be todays news)..fake documents etc etc etc about immigrants..asylum seekers..refugees..
I'm just generally sick of the fucking lot of it.
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To break the cycle we firstly really need to stop lumping everything together like you've just done!.
There's a huge difference between illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, asylum seekers and Muslims!
What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
If we constantly refer these stories to "immigrants"... Guess what, in the human psyche they all become one!.
I don't personally like illegal immigration, it belittles the effort that genuine immigrants go through to come here.
Asylum seekers have a genuine right to apply under international law, I wish this to be upheld, the best way to do this, is to stop lumping them in with illegal immigration and terrorists.
If somebody posts a story about a giant mosque getting planning over local houses or vise versa, the best thing to do is point out there British citizens acting under the law like everyone else rather than shout them down as racist or xenophobic (personally I don't like giant mosques either and will argue against them just like I argue against nuclear power stations, in my mind it's something to be discouraged not encouraged) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"According to The Empty Homes Agency, there are an estimated 870,000 empty homes in the UK and enough empty commercial property to create 420,000 new homes."
Some of them may help alleviate the housing crisis?
In fact, some of them may alleviate the homelessness crisis too...... |
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""According to The Empty Homes Agency, there are an estimated 870,000 empty homes in the UK and enough empty commercial property to create 420,000 new homes."
Some of them may help alleviate the housing crisis?
In fact, some of them may alleviate the homelessness crisis too......"
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I try not to be cynical but honestly, the best thing to stop the ridiculous housing bubble is just to apply capital gains on any profit made!
I mean in reality it's a massive income for an awful lot of people, that's completely untaxed and its one of the reasons why people are desperate to "get on the housing ladder"...
Were just creating bubbles now through 0% interest rates that sooner or later is going to bite UK plc on the arse and everyone will complain about government policy of house building and... We'll all sing along like before because nothing ever happens  |
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"Could we build our church in there country or site in the street reading our Bible shouting passages out in the street"
Oh..I just thought I'd highlight this one.
This is exactly why I get generally pissed off with the consistent amount of posts relating to this post that can be linked to similar. |
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"Could we build our church in there country or site in the street reading our Bible shouting passages out in the street"
Sorry ive never heard of 'Muslim-land' can you tell me where it is so I can look it up.. I have Muslim friends that were born in England and have lived and worked here all their lives as have their parents and grandparents.. Maybe they should go back to 'their country' |
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
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That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
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one of the maddest posts I've read in a while... |
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
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There were muslims in Britain in 1915. Christian churches exist all over the world where there is a Christian population (I don't say they aren't persecuted but that's another story). Muslim and Islam and all sorts (  ) whatever that means are indeed being born in this country and speak perfectly good English, many second generation immigrants are bi-lingual which is a huge asset in my opinion.
Thank you for your words of wisdom in advising us all that if we go to France we will find French people. Who knew! |
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
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That's the give and take of eu membership, it's perfectly legal immigration! , just like British people living in Spain or Germany!
The polish, Czech, Slovakian are actually slowly returning home, the pavements of gold turned out to be asphalt and they were laying it!.
Everybody misses home and family sooner or later and they are too. Besides Poland is no longer the economic disaster it was!
Business needs cheap labour and this will continue to be filled by the next wave of Romanian, Hungarian, Bulgarian!... When they've finished with them it will be the Turks or the next country the eu expands into!
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"did any one else see how this thread would progress?..or regress...
Hmmm...
Yep. It's the nature of the beast I'm afraid."
I'm prefferring the beasts more and more than some of my own species ffs
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"did any one else see how this thread would progress?..or regress...
Hmmm...
Yep. It's the nature of the beast I'm afraid."
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No it's the nature of frightened people!.
Everyone is naturally inclined to patterns, follow the path we walked yesterday because it's a safe path, we walked it loads and we know where the holes are!.
When governments treat voters like children, you'll get child like responses!.
Here's the pros
There's the cons
To mitigate the cons were doing xyz...
There's cultural differences not racial differences and theres religious cultural problems that come with different religions!
If you had large amounts of Jainism, Buddhists, Quakers, Amish immigration I don't think Id be quite as concerned as large scale immigration of devout christians or Muslims!
I'm not really concerned about polish or Slovakian immigration except for the economic issues that come from it, although to be fair eastern Europeans had a slightly old fashioned view on stuff like drink driving, sexisim, racism due to being isolated for so long(think 60s 70s British attitude's) |
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
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I have to disagree with that. Although the British way of life is changing,people who move here quite often adopt British/Western ways. Every country or culture changes over time,just because someone speaks a different language to you it doesn't mean they have different values. Contrary to some people's beliefs immigrants do adopt British ways. |
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
I have to disagree with that. Although the British way of life is changing,people who move here quite often adopt British/Western ways. Every country or culture changes over time,just because someone speaks a different language to you it doesn't mean they have different values. Contrary to some people's beliefs immigrants do adopt British ways. "
This was another case where truth is the casualty of emotion. The 2011 census counted 546,000 people who spoke Polish as their main language in all of England and Wales. Even if every single one of them moved to Wales there would be fewer than the 560,000 Welsh speakers in Wales. |
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
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Have you ever been to France? Italy? Germany? There are huge amounts of immigrants in all those countries. Even the Nordic countries are getting into it.
Not even touching the fact that we have had immigration to the British isles for the last couple of millennia. I am in awe of someone who thinks there is a pure English person anywhere in this country. |
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"Could we build our church in their country or cite in the street reading our Bible shouting passages out in the street"
If you go to Chester city centre you'll find "we" already are. There's always this same guy shouting bible quotes and it irritates me endlessly with his threats of me burning in hell if I don't come to Jesus!   |
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
I have to disagree with that. Although the British way of life is changing,people who move here quite often adopt British/Western ways. Every country or culture changes over time,just because someone speaks a different language to you it doesn't mean they have different values. Contrary to some people's beliefs immigrants do adopt British ways. "
It's when you see things in the news like a pregnant woman arrested for wearing a British Flag?
Policemen not allowed to don the British flag at a memorial service? |
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"A mega structure mosque biggest in the UK, that could hold 10,000 worshippers was rejected at newhams site, the planning of it has been going on for 16 years.
The reason was that they wanted to build housing there instead, the leaders of the mosque wasn't happy, but in this climate we need housing more, so I think the government did the right thing, have you heard the news and what do you think of it? It is big news here in London."
They could always "re-purpose" St.Paul's Cathedral - knock the spike off the top, paint the dome a nice snot-green - job's a good 'un.  |
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself..
Not just me then. Even more strange he's an immigrant himself but always starting these types of threads! "
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
I have to disagree with that. Although the British way of life is changing,people who move here quite often adopt British/Western ways. Every country or culture changes over time,just because someone speaks a different language to you it doesn't mean they have different values. Contrary to some people's beliefs immigrants do adopt British ways.
It's when you see things in the news like a pregnant woman arrested for wearing a British Flag?
Policemen not allowed to don the British flag at a memorial service? "
You know that woman was holding two flags don't you, one of which was inappropriate, she was never arrested just had the inappropriate flag taken away? The English Defence League posted a video of her being led away by police and chose to put their own interpretation on it.
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"A mega structure mosque biggest in the UK, that could hold 10,000 worshippers was rejected at newhams site, the planning of it has been going on for 16 years.
The reason was that they wanted to build housing there instead, the leaders of the mosque wasn't happy, but in this climate we need housing more, so I think the government did the right thing, have you heard the news and what do you think of it? It is big news here in London."
how do you have a leader of a mosque that hasn't been built? obviously the will of god though. |
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What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
That's just it though...
Go back 100 years and I don't think there were any Muslim in the UK. Due to immigration Muslim and Islam and all sorts are being born in the UK so they're classed as British even though, in a lot of cases, English isn't their first language.
Asylum seekers I agree with but immigration (legal/illegal) I dont. Why?
I just feel that we're losing our identity.
Go to France, there are French people
Go to Germany, German people
China? Chinese
Etc etc
Britain? Polish is now spoken more in Wales than Welsh!
I have to disagree with that. Although the British way of life is changing,people who move here quite often adopt British/Western ways. Every country or culture changes over time,just because someone speaks a different language to you it doesn't mean they have different values. Contrary to some people's beliefs immigrants do adopt British ways.
It's when you see things in the news like a pregnant woman arrested for wearing a British Flag?
Policemen not allowed to don the British flag at a memorial service? "
yes my father spouted this pish also..I watched the unedited video and told him otherwise.
It's up to you if you wish to tell me more stories about that come from the 'news'...93.7% of it is as useless as the percentage I just gave. |
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"Religion is on the way out. Let them use the empty churches for their hobbies. Last thing the country needs is religious structures. Hobbies.. "
Luckily where I live we still Have a community which is still active, I,ve lived here all my life and during That time you see change new houses or Flats Popping up on every concievable space within where I live more people Moveing up from London within the last ten years and before going back into the 80,s and 90,s with The biggest estate built a few miles Down the road someone said once the biggest one in europe, this Was quite a surprise to the local Community,I think most people who bought up house,s here were comeing up From the south and I,ve spoke to some Of these people people who like the Countryside and similar things to my self, population levels moved these People up north from the south 30 plus Years ago, and no doubt during that Time there has been a pattern of house Building similar away from london who Can afford it, but now with what is Happening, Is not the norm these people who are arriveing here what Security,s do they possess to attain The ability to live a normal life here, Its not has they have any Income From elsewhere to buy property, has I mentioned this is not the norm, they will probabily end up on the streets Begging is that what we really want, Its alright haveing people come here But then what happens its beyond me. |
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself...
You were the first person to actually write "immigrant" , his post was about a mosque in London over housing.... What's that got to do with immigrants!
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Sorry shag, I've yet to see you recently post anything serious that does not point out something on the news about asylum seekers,immigrants,Muslims...
I can bet with my life id I jump on a britain first page, all I will see is putrid fuckwits posting vile comments about the 'victory'..
I even have my dad spouting the shite at me(and he's white),stories from several years ago(that pop uo claiming to be todays news)..fake documents etc etc etc about immigrants..asylum seekers..refugees..
I'm just generally sick of the fucking lot of it.
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To break the cycle we firstly really need to stop lumping everything together like you've just done!.
There's a huge difference between illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, asylum seekers and Muslims!
What shag posted was a story about British citizens who happen to be Muslim trying to get a giant mosque through planning.
If we constantly refer these stories to "immigrants"... Guess what, in the human psyche they all become one!.
I don't personally like illegal immigration, it belittles the effort that genuine immigrants go through to come here.
Asylum seekers have a genuine right to apply under international law, I wish this to be upheld, the best way to do this, is to stop lumping them in with illegal immigration and terrorists.
If somebody posts a story about a giant mosque getting planning over local houses or vise versa, the best thing to do is point out there British citizens acting under the law like everyone else rather than shout them down as racist or xenophobic (personally I don't like giant mosques either and will argue against them just like I argue against nuclear power stations, in my mind it's something to be discouraged not encouraged)"
That is right and it was all just about the planning of a mosque and as we know many like to "twist" what the real story is about |
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself...
You were the first person to actually write "immigrant" , his post was about a mosque in London over housing.... What's that got to do with immigrants!
green arrow....
Sorry shag, I've yet to see you recently post anything serious that does not point out something on the news about asylum seekers,immigrants,Muslims...
I can bet with my life id I jump on a britain first page, all I will see is putrid fuckwits posting vile comments about the 'victory'..
I even have my dad spouting the shite at me(and he's white),stories from several years ago(that pop uo claiming to be todays news)..fake documents etc etc etc about immigrants..asylum seekers..refugees..
I'm just generally sick of the fucking lot of it.
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Yet I again I will point out I can post what I want. I don't complain when others post or you, maibe you should calm down abit. |
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"why is it 'big news' in london?..may be big news in newham,but i doubt most people in london give a damn either way..why is it important to you?..you seem to have a propensity for posting anything to do with what you see as immigrants...without ever answering the questions you pose yourself...
You were the first person to actually write "immigrant" , his post was about a mosque in London over housing.... What's that got to do with immigrants!
green arrow....
Sorry shag, I've yet to see you recently post anything serious that does not point out something on the news about asylum seekers,immigrants,Muslims...
I can bet with my life id I jump on a britain first page, all I will see is putrid fuckwits posting vile comments about the 'victory'..
I even have my dad spouting the shite at me(and he's white),stories from several years ago(that pop uo claiming to be todays news)..fake documents etc etc etc about immigrants..asylum seekers..refugees..
I'm just generally sick of the fucking lot of it.
Yet I again I will point out I can post what I want. I don't complain when others post or you, maibe you should calm down abit."
easy targets shag..easy targets. |
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"we do need more mosques and its a very strong religion and they do pay there taxes any way if new houses are bult who will get them"
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Well they don't actually pay tax, places of worship are council tax void!.
I think you have to wonder why any religion needs a church, mosque..
It's certainly not for prayer! |
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"well thats a load of rubbish what do people go to church for "
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You can pray anywhere!
The point of a gathering place has always been about recruiting!.
Muslims missed a trick with the burying of the dead to be honest!
That always pulls in the flock |
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Let's just build mosque s
Everywhere
Don't worry about new housing
People can live in slums with mosques everywhere.
Then we can all realise we live in a shite hole and try to gain entry illegally to another better country.
Ironic!
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"well thats a load of rubbish what do people go to church for .
You can pray anywhere!
The point of a gathering place has always been about recruiting!.
Muslims missed a trick with the burying of the dead to be honest!
That always pulls in the flock"
Why do people go to pubs? You can drink anywhere. |
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