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"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse. My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice. He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson' I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time." I once had a driver put his hand out of his window and push me. I was standing in my pedals waiting to turn right and he pushed me off in front of the car I was waiting to pass. Luckily the other car stopped. I chased after the dickhead and asked why he was trying to kill me? he said I "was taking up too much room". I reported him to the police but he just denied everything. Cal | |||
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"Some motorists are so inconsiderate towards cyclist! I have a close shave just about every time I go out!" I think that it's sometimes much worse than inconsiderate, I think that some drivers actually "HATE" cyclists and wish us harm.. "I take my bike out with the mindset everyone is going to kill me. Have seen someone fly over a car door before and it's not pretty. Your word against his so get that helmet cam on and get him Ronnie Pickering style " I agree here too, whenever I'm on two wheels I ride like they're all trying to kill me. I really must start wearing the GoPro when I ride.  | |||
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"Ive no evidence other than my word, & GMP are useless at this - ive tried before." It's worth reporting these things even if it's just to boost the crime figures. If there's no record of these crimes, then they don't have to accept that they happen. | |||
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"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse. My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice. He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson' I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time." I've seen some real lunatic drivers where Cyclists are concerned, especially in the Peak District. Hope you're ok, I'm always a considerate driver, I'll look out for you. | |||
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"If you make a report against him, even if nothing comes of it then its logged, next time he does something like this theres two incidents and so on. It builds up and will get him" Agree. It takes your time and seems pointless but eventually he will get what's coming... Wear the cam.  | |||
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"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse. My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice. He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson' I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time." (((HUG))) did you not get the car ref number?  | |||
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"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse. My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice. He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson' I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time." I notice that you're 5'2, it's amazing how many guys grow a huge pair of balls when facing someone they're confident they can intimidate. Don't let the coward faze you. | |||
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"I have a cam, never wanted to have to use it on my daily commute but I will from tomorrow. " Get your cam on, I never commute with out mine, if they can see it it tends to make them think twice. No one wants to become the next internet sensation | |||
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"Oh he got out of the car to threaten me with violence - that's assault whether he touches you or not." I get lots of people shouting abuse at me from car windows when I'm riding my bike, none of them ever get out and confront me though. Can't think why. | |||
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"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse. My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice. He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson' I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time." Awwww sweety an Audi tt just did similar to me I gave him a right mouthful I got knocked off on roundabout the other week the guy appologised said he never saw me hehe hey hope you got his number | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides" In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice." Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?   | |||
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"I have a cam, never wanted to have to use it on my daily commute but I will from tomorrow. " I think in the end one needs to take precautions.nothing worse than aggressive drivers.At least you would have proof for the police. | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice." Get him a copy of the highway code, show him exactly where you are entitled to ride then tear the relevant pages out, roll them up and shove them up his arse. | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for? "It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars. | |||
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"Oh he got out of the car to threaten me with violence - that's assault whether he touches you or not. I get lots of people shouting abuse at me from car windows when I'm riding my bike, none of them ever get out and confront me though. Can't think why." Same here! Always ask if they would like to stop and discuss the matter by the side of the road! Out the way of traffic! And cctv
And always wave and say hi the the nice drivers who toot at me
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?
It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.
"And you check your mirror when pulling out into the middle of the road? Can you always judge the speed of traffic coming up behind you? And what if its coming too fast to pull out into the middle of the road? Do you stop behind each parked car until its clear? | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?
It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.
And you check your mirror when pulling out into the middle of the road? Can you always judge the speed of traffic coming up behind you? And what if its coming too fast to pull out into the middle of the road? Do you stop behind each parked car until its clear? "If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road. | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?
It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.
And you check your mirror when pulling out into the middle of the road? Can you always judge the speed of traffic coming up behind you? And what if its coming too fast to pull out into the middle of the road? Do you stop behind each parked car until its clear? "That is why primary & secondary positions are taught, even in secondary a driver behind must actually make a manoeuvre to overtake, not blithely pass in the same lane. Primary is taken to prevent an overtake where it is inappropriate/dangerous. | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?
It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.
And you check your mirror when pulling out into the middle of the road? Can you always judge the speed of traffic coming up behind you? And what if its coming too fast to pull out into the middle of the road? Do you stop behind each parked car until its clear?
If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road. "And this is the attitude that gets cyclists injured | |||
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"unfortunately there are inconsiderate road users on all forms of transport bike users included and it is wrong to try and bully people of the road just because you are in a bigger vehicle ,...... our problem is that our country lanes arent safe enough to handle 2 riders riding abreast , i know you say you do it for safety reasons but if 2 cars have to use passing points to pass then its only reasonable that cyclists who insist on riding 2 abreast stop and use these passing points as well but for some reason they dont want to stop and they cause a lot of bad feeling ,,,,,,, will be interested on your thoughts as this thread has so far been mostly covered by cyclists" He/she sorry don't know which one you identify has? Wasn't riding 2 they were on there own just riding in a save position on the road, also it is perfectly legal for cyclist to ride 2 a breast on the road why should they pull in and stop to let cars past? Should caravan drivers do that? Horse riders? Tractors? There is no excuse for driving your car towards anyone cyclist pedestrian other vehicles, | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?
It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.
And you check your mirror when pulling out into the middle of the road? Can you always judge the speed of traffic coming up behind you? And what if its coming too fast to pull out into the middle of the road? Do you stop behind each parked car until its clear?
If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road.
And this is the attitude that gets cyclists injured"No the attitude that gets cyclist injured is your attitude that cyclist should stop at every parked car and let cars past and then try to pull out from behind the car because that is a safe way to ride a bike, Why do people think it is acceptable to try and threaten and intimidate cyclist? People get in their little metal box and think they are invincible and untouchable | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?
It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.
And you check your mirror when pulling out into the middle of the road? Can you always judge the speed of traffic coming up behind you? And what if its coming too fast to pull out into the middle of the road? Do you stop behind each parked car until its clear?
If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road.
And this is the attitude that gets cyclists injured
No the attitude that gets cyclist injured is your attitude that cyclist should stop at every parked car and let cars past and then try to pull out from behind the car because that is a safe way to ride a bike,
Why do people think it is acceptable to try and threaten and intimidate cyclist? People get in their little metal box and think they are invincible and untouchable"I didnt say that cyclists should do that. And I am talking about the attitude that if a driver can't see me then he shouldn't be on the road. Bang oops too late.It is some of the people on bicycles who think they are invincible | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?
It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.
And you check your mirror when pulling out into the middle of the road? Can you always judge the speed of traffic coming up behind you? And what if its coming too fast to pull out into the middle of the road? Do you stop behind each parked car until its clear?
If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road.
And this is the attitude that gets cyclists injured
No the attitude that gets cyclist injured is your attitude that cyclist should stop at every parked car and let cars past and then try to pull out from behind the car because that is a safe way to ride a bike,
Why do people think it is acceptable to try and threaten and intimidate cyclist? People get in their little metal box and think they are invincible and untouchable
I didnt say that cyclists should do that. And I am talking about the attitude that if a driver can't see me then he shouldn't be on the road. Bang oops too late.It is some of the people on bicycles who think they are invincible"I agree some cyclist are complete fucktards, but I also think yes if a car driver cannot see a cyclist and make adjustments to compensate for a cyclist having to pull out for a parked car then no they shouldn't be on the road | |||
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"unfortunately there are inconsiderate road users on all forms of transport bike users included and it is wrong to try and bully people of the road just because you are in a bigger vehicle ,...... our problem is that our country lanes arent safe enough to handle 2 riders riding abreast , i know you say you do it for safety reasons but if 2 cars have to use passing points to pass then its only reasonable that cyclists who insist on riding 2 abreast stop and use these passing points as well but for some reason they dont want to stop and they cause a lot of bad feeling ,,,,,,, will be interested on your thoughts as this thread has so far been mostly covered by cyclists He/she sorry don't know which one you identify has? Wasn't riding 2 they were on there own just riding in a save position on the road, also it is perfectly legal for cyclist to ride 2 a breast on the road why should they pull in and stop to let cars past? Should caravan drivers do that? Horse riders? Tractors? There is no excuse for driving your car towards anyone cyclist pedestrian other vehicles, " its a he ,,,, i didnt say it was right to drive him of the road and i realise that he was cycling on his own, please read my post again, what i am trying to say is that cyclists in my experience hardly ever pull over , along the country lane that i drive along 8 or 10 or maybe 30 times a day it is not unusual to have well in excess of 200 cyclists a day at the weekend and if theres a cycle ride organised then well in excess of a 1000 ,no problem in that at all , its a lovely part of the country ,but most of time these cyclists are on a mission to get back home in as quick a time as possible , yet again no problem in that , what ever floats your boat , but because they wont stop at the pull in points when they are near one then it is them who is trying to force other vehicles off the road ,, the pull in points along our lane just happen to be on both sides of the road for a reason !!!!,, is there a law which states that a cycle has right of way over another vehicle ? ,,, may be there is ,, im all for give and take but on a sunday morning it is very frustrating to say the least , 2 ambulance visits along our lane in 18 months , both times injured cyclists , i dont want to see anymore hurt but im afraid sooner or later theres going to be a more tragic reason for an ambulance to be called ,,,,,, to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper | |||
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"Personally I dont do these large events, I'm too tight to pay £50 for the privilege of riding a route I can ride anytime I want! As for narrow lanes, if the lane is down to a single lane width - ie no white line - then I'll ride bang in the middle, if I can't see what's coming round the bend then the driver begin me certainly can't, so he can wait til I can see the way is clear & THEN I'll move over - IF there is enough room to do so without putting me at risk. I'll sometimes stop & let them past, but again that's my decision to make." You will ride right in the middle?
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"Personally I dont do these large events, I'm too tight to pay £50 for the privilege of riding a route I can ride anytime I want! As for narrow lanes, if the lane is down to a single lane width - ie no white line - then I'll ride bang in the middle, if I can't see what's coming round the bend then the driver begin me certainly can't, so he can wait til I can see the way is clear & THEN I'll move over - IF there is enough room to do so without putting me at risk. I'll sometimes stop & let them past, but again that's my decision to make. You will ride right in the middle?
Please stop before you kill yourself or someone else"Read my words. I cycle in the middle of the lane where it is appropriate & where the lane is too narrow to support a cycle & vehicle side by side. This is official govt advice, it is training offered by govt approved & local authority delivered training schemes. You should go away & look up Primary & Secondary Positions for cycling on the road, but I'll make it easy for you. Look at the lane ahead. Divide it into three equal widths. Secondary position is at minimum the first line from the left, roughly one metre away from the kerb. Training teaches cyclists NEVER to ride closer to the kerb than that line. This is done to keep the rider in the drivers eyeline, to avoid roadside debris & to give the rider a 'bail out space'. Primary position is between the second imagined line & the road centre/white line. This position should be adopted when the roadway is too narrow to accommodate a vehicle & cycle side by side. This can be because of parked cars, traffic islands or simply because the lane is too narrow. It is also to be adopted when going around unsighted corners, to prevent the vehicle behind overtaking. It should also be adopted when approaching junctions, in order that vehicles attempting to enter the carriageway can see you & to ensure you are not hidden by street furniture, foliage etc. Its not a difficult concept to grasp. | |||
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Also get people passing SO close, and have even been caught by a wing mirror in the past.
Better to report it, even though the police won't do anything about it. It's logged. If the pillock does anything similar again, the police could refer back to the earlier report as well & you're slowly building the case against him. | |||
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"I take my bike out with the mindset everyone is going to kill me. Have seen someone fly over a car door before and it's not pretty. Your word against his so get that helmet cam on and get him Ronnie Pickering style " I've been "doored" on a bike. No fun AT ALL. Luckily I landed on my feet, as there was a bus coming. | |||
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"I take my bike out with the mindset everyone is going to kill me. Have seen someone fly over a car door before and it's not pretty. Your word against his so get that helmet cam on and get him Ronnie Pickering style I've been "doored" on a bike. No fun AT ALL. Luckily I landed on my feet, as there was a bus coming. " It seems there are more than a few people out there who can't grasp the concept of road positioning as safety, its taught to motorcyclists, its taught to cyclists, why isn't it part of the general driving test? | |||
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"Ive no evidence other than my word, & GMP are useless at this - ive tried before." make a complaint. you don't need evidence. the police will write to him informing him its on record and if he comes to there attention again this will be held against him too. may make him think in future, sending hugs. | |||
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"I take my bike out with the mindset everyone is going to kill me. Have seen someone fly over a car door before and it's not pretty. Your word against his so get that helmet cam on and get him Ronnie Pickering style " "Whoooo are you, who ooh, who ooh, Ronnie Pickering!!" Yep there's some real knobheads on the roads. Just be careful and report it to the police- whilst they might not be able to do anything, there's always a chance that it might have been caught on cctv so the wanker can have the book thrown at him. Hard. | |||
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"Hi, I ride a cycle, I personally think all road transport should be registered, ie reg plates and insured and MOT. I think crash helmets should be worn and headfones shouldn't. Cyclist need to be held responsible for accidents and damage they cause without 'hit, damage/kill and run'. I also drive a car and think drivers should all ride a cycle to get a feel of what and how they are putting others in danger also" I'd agree with you apart from the points that helmets don't actually offer much protection, they aren't designed to protect from a vehicular impact & most trauma suffered by injured cyclists is to other parts of the body. Registration has been tried in several countries & is shown not to work, it simply costs too much to implement for the returns - how do you decide when a child should register for example? An MOT is not a bad idea, but again how do you implement it? Cyclists are already responsible under law for any damage caused, you take them to court like any other case of loss. Remember that cyclists use the road by Statutory Right under common law, so in order to enforce helmets, registration etc it would also be applicable to pedestrians, fancy wearing a helmet & a sign around your neck to walk to the shops? One final point, 51% of all head injury fatalities in the UK occur inside motor vehicles, why is no one campaigning for driving helmets as it would save many more lives than a thin polystyrene hat! Cycle helmets work very well in the area for which they are designed - slow speed falls under 12mph impact from 1 vertical metre. They are great for preventing bumps & scrapes, completely useless against a ton+ car moving at 30mph. | |||
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"Oh yes, I object to being referred to as 'it'." the 'It' i was referring to was infact myself as the person answering my post didnt know if it was a she or he , nothing untoward meant at all | |||
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"unfortunately there are inconsiderate road users on all forms of transport bike users included and it is wrong to try and bully people of the road just because you are in a bigger vehicle ,...... our problem is that our country lanes arent safe enough to handle 2 riders riding abreast , i know you say you do it for safety reasons but if 2 cars have to use passing points to pass then its only reasonable that cyclists who insist on riding 2 abreast stop and use these passing points as well but for some reason they dont want to stop and they cause a lot of bad feeling ,,,,,,, will be interested on your thoughts as this thread has so far been mostly covered by cyclists He/she sorry don't know which one you identify has? Wasn't riding 2 they were on there own just riding in a save position on the road, also it is perfectly legal for cyclist to ride 2 a breast on the road why should they pull in and stop to let cars past? Should caravan drivers do that? Horse riders? Tractors? There is no excuse for driving your car towards anyone cyclist pedestrian other vehicles, its a he ,,,, i didnt say it was right to drive him of the road and i realise that he was cycling on his own, please read my post again, what i am trying to say is that cyclists in my experience hardly ever pull over , along the country lane that i drive along 8 or 10 or maybe 30 times a day it is not unusual to have well in excess of 200 cyclists a day at the weekend and if theres a cycle ride organised then well in excess of a 1000 ,no problem in that at all , its a lovely part of the country ,but most of time these cyclists are on a mission to get back home in as quick a time as possible , yet again no problem in that , what ever floats your boat , but because they wont stop at the pull in points when they are near one then it is them who is trying to force other vehicles off the road ,, the pull in points along our lane just happen to be on both sides of the road for a reason !!!!,, is there a law which states that a cycle has right of way over another vehicle ? ,,, may be there is ,, im all for give and take but on a sunday morning it is very frustrating to say the least , 2 ambulance visits along our lane in 18 months , both times injured cyclists , i dont want to see anymore hurt but im afraid sooner or later theres going to be a more tragic reason for an ambulance to be called ,,,,,, to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper " if you read the highway code a cyclist doesnt have to pull over they have as much right on the road as any other road user.when you took your driving test did they not tell you only to make an overtakinp manuvour when it is safe to do so!!! | |||
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"Hi, I ride a cycle, I personally think all road transport should be registered, ie reg plates and insured and MOT. I think crash helmets should be worn and headfones shouldn't. Cyclist need to be held responsible for accidents and damage they cause without 'hit, damage/kill and run'. I also drive a car and think drivers should all ride a cycle to get a feel of what and how they are putting others in danger also I'd agree with you apart from the points that helmets don't actually offer much protection, they aren't designed to protect from a vehicular impact & most trauma suffered by injured cyclists is to other parts of the body. Registration has been tried in several countries & is shown not to work, it simply costs too much to implement for the returns - how do you decide when a child should register for example? An MOT is not a bad idea, but again how do you implement it? Cyclists are already responsible under law for any damage caused, you take them to court like any other case of loss. Remember that cyclists use the road by Statutory Right under common law, so in order to enforce helmets, registration etc it would also be applicable to pedestrians, fancy wearing a helmet & a sign around your neck to walk to the shops? One final point, 51% of all head injury fatalities in the UK occur inside motor vehicles, why is no one campaigning for driving helmets as it would save many more lives than a thin polystyrene hat! Cycle helmets work very well in the area for which they are designed - slow speed falls under 12mph impact from 1 vertical metre. They are great for preventing bumps & scrapes, completely useless against a ton+ car moving at 30mph." Sorry to be very picky, vertical falls only from a Snell b90 conforming helmet will protect you. It is a sad place we live in that car drivers can bully cyclists and other road users, report th em and nothing gets done. I was knocked off my bikevyears ago by a driving instructor, he lied to the police and got away with it. | |||
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"unfortunately there are inconsiderate road users on all forms of transport bike users included and it is wrong to try and bully people of the road just because you are in a bigger vehicle ,...... our problem is that our country lanes arent safe enough to handle 2 riders riding abreast , i know you say you do it for safety reasons but if 2 cars have to use passing points to pass then its only reasonable that cyclists who insist on riding 2 abreast stop and use these passing points as well but for some reason they dont want to stop and they cause a lot of bad feeling ,,,,,,, will be interested on your thoughts as this thread has so far been mostly covered by cyclists He/she sorry don't know which one you identify has? Wasn't riding 2 they were on there own just riding in a save position on the road, also it is perfectly legal for cyclist to ride 2 a breast on the road why should they pull in and stop to let cars past? Should caravan drivers do that? Horse riders? Tractors? There is no excuse for driving your car towards anyone cyclist pedestrian other vehicles, its a he ,,,, i didnt say it was right to drive him of the road and i realise that he was cycling on his own, please read my post again, what i am trying to say is that cyclists in my experience hardly ever pull over , along the country lane that i drive along 8 or 10 or maybe 30 times a day it is not unusual to have well in excess of 200 cyclists a day at the weekend and if theres a cycle ride organised then well in excess of a 1000 ,no problem in that at all , its a lovely part of the country ,but most of time these cyclists are on a mission to get back home in as quick a time as possible , yet again no problem in that , what ever floats your boat , but because they wont stop at the pull in points when they are near one then it is them who is trying to force other vehicles off the road ,, the pull in points along our lane just happen to be on both sides of the road for a reason !!!!,, is there a law which states that a cycle has right of way over another vehicle ? ,,, may be there is ,, im all for give and take but on a sunday morning it is very frustrating to say the least , 2 ambulance visits along our lane in 18 months , both times injured cyclists , i dont want to see anymore hurt but im afraid sooner or later theres going to be a more tragic reason for an ambulance to be called ,,,,,, to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper if you read the highway code a cyclist doesnt have to pull over they have as much right on the road as any other road user.when you took your driving test did they not tell you only to make an overtakinp manuvour when it is safe to do so!!!" It does mention that a vehicle has to give 3 foot clearance when passing through the cyclist, not many drivers seem to know that that one. | |||
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"Personally I dont do these large events, I'm too tight to pay £50 for the privilege of riding a route I can ride anytime I want! As for narrow lanes, if the lane is down to a single lane width - ie no white line - then I'll ride bang in the middle, if I can't see what's coming round the bend then the driver begin me certainly can't, so he can wait til I can see the way is clear & THEN I'll move over - IF there is enough room to do so without putting me at risk. I'll sometimes stop & let them past, but again that's my decision to make. You will ride right in the middle?
Please stop before you kill yourself or someone else
Read my words. I cycle in the middle of the lane where it is appropriate & where the lane is too narrow to support a cycle & vehicle side by side.
This is official govt advice, it is training offered by govt approved & local authority delivered training schemes.
You should go away & look up Primary & Secondary Positions for cycling on the road, but I'll make it easy for you.
Look at the lane ahead. Divide it into three equal widths. Secondary position is at minimum the first line from the left, roughly one metre away from the kerb. Training teaches cyclists NEVER to ride closer to the kerb than that line. This is done to keep the rider in the drivers eyeline, to avoid roadside debris & to give the rider a 'bail out space'.
Primary position is between the second imagined line & the road centre/white line.
This position should be adopted when the roadway is too narrow to accommodate a vehicle & cycle side by side. This can be because of parked cars, traffic islands or simply because the lane is too narrow. It is also to be adopted when going around unsighted corners, to prevent the vehicle behind overtaking.
It should also be adopted when approaching junctions, in order that vehicles attempting to enter the carriageway can see you & to ensure you are not hidden by street furniture, foliage etc.
Its not a difficult concept to grasp."Nowhere did you say where it was appropriate. If you think that driving down the middle of a narrow lane when you can't see what is coming, as you have said, is a good idea and a safe way to ride then good luck to you. I give up. And frankly my sympathies now lie with the driver who spoke to you earlier | |||
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"Hi, I ride a cycle, I personally think all road transport should be registered, ie reg plates and insured and MOT. I think crash helmets should be worn and headfones shouldn't. Cyclist need to be held responsible for accidents and damage they cause without 'hit, damage/kill and run'. I also drive a car and think drivers should all ride a cycle to get a feel of what and how they are putting others in danger also I'd agree with you apart from the points that helmets don't actually offer much protection, they aren't designed to protect from a vehicular impact & most trauma suffered by injured cyclists is to other parts of the body. Registration has been tried in several countries & is shown not to work, it simply costs too much to implement for the returns - how do you decide when a child should register for example? An MOT is not a bad idea, but again how do you implement it? Cyclists are already responsible under law for any damage caused, you take them to court like any other case of loss. Remember that cyclists use the road by Statutory Right under common law, so in order to enforce helmets, registration etc it would also be applicable to pedestrians, fancy wearing a helmet & a sign around your neck to walk to the shops? One final point, 51% of all head injury fatalities in the UK occur inside motor vehicles, why is no one campaigning for driving helmets as it would save many more lives than a thin polystyrene hat! Cycle helmets work very well in the area for which they are designed - slow speed falls under 12mph impact from 1 vertical metre. They are great for preventing bumps & scrapes, completely useless against a ton+ car moving at 30mph. Sorry to be very picky, vertical falls only from a Snell b90 conforming helmet will protect you. It is a sad place we live in that car drivers can bully cyclists and other road users, report th em and nothing gets done. I was knocked off my bikevyears ago by a driving instructor, he lied to the police and got away with it." Yes, sorry you are right about the Snell test. Cycle helmets just aren't the panacea many seem to think they are, in fact usually when non cyclists talk about them they are actually talking about absolving the motorist who hits the cyclist of any responsibility, because "he wasn't wearing a helmet". Its a red herring & a tired old trope. Its interesting to see how a thread about a driver using his vehicle to commit an assault turns into an attack on cyclists though isn't it? | |||
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"unfortunately there are inconsiderate road users on all forms of transport bike users included and it is wrong to try and bully people of the road just because you are in a bigger vehicle ,...... our problem is that our country lanes arent safe enough to handle 2 riders riding abreast , i know you say you do it for safety reasons but if 2 cars have to use passing points to pass then its only reasonable that cyclists who insist on riding 2 abreast stop and use these passing points as well but for some reason they dont want to stop and they cause a lot of bad feeling ,,,,,,, will be interested on your thoughts as this thread has so far been mostly covered by cyclists He/she sorry don't know which one you identify has? Wasn't riding 2 they were on there own just riding in a save position on the road, also it is perfectly legal for cyclist to ride 2 a breast on the road why should they pull in and stop to let cars past? Should caravan drivers do that? Horse riders? Tractors? There is no excuse for driving your car towards anyone cyclist pedestrian other vehicles, its a he ,,,, i didnt say it was right to drive him of the road and i realise that he was cycling on his own, please read my post again, what i am trying to say is that cyclists in my experience hardly ever pull over , along the country lane that i drive along 8 or 10 or maybe 30 times a day it is not unusual to have well in excess of 200 cyclists a day at the weekend and if theres a cycle ride organised then well in excess of a 1000 ,no problem in that at all , its a lovely part of the country ,but most of time these cyclists are on a mission to get back home in as quick a time as possible , yet again no problem in that , what ever floats your boat , but because they wont stop at the pull in points when they are near one then it is them who is trying to force other vehicles off the road ,, the pull in points along our lane just happen to be on both sides of the road for a reason !!!!,, is there a law which states that a cycle has right of way over another vehicle ? ,,, may be there is ,, im all for give and take but on a sunday morning it is very frustrating to say the least , 2 ambulance visits along our lane in 18 months , both times injured cyclists , i dont want to see anymore hurt but im afraid sooner or later theres going to be a more tragic reason for an ambulance to be called ,,,,,, to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper if you read the highway code a cyclist doesnt have to pull over they have as much right on the road as any other road user.when you took your driving test did they not tell you only to make an overtakinp manuvour when it is safe to do so!!!" I quite agree a cyclist has as much right to be on the road my gripe is that they wont stop and use the passing places we have on our lanes , if i come across a passing place i pull over but if i am 300 or 400 yds from my next one and a cyclist rides past his do you think it expected that i reverse back to the one i passed a couple of hundred yds back ,,,,, as i said its all down to common sense but because some folk want to get home to slice 8 secs of there previous personal best they wont pull over to allow a safe pass on the lane . | |||
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"unfortunately there are inconsiderate road users on all forms of transport bike users included and it is wrong to try and bully people of the road just because you are in a bigger vehicle ,...... our problem is that our country lanes arent safe enough to handle 2 riders riding abreast , i know you say you do it for safety reasons but if 2 cars have to use passing points to pass then its only reasonable that cyclists who insist on riding 2 abreast stop and use these passing points as well but for some reason they dont want to stop and they cause a lot of bad feeling ,,,,,,, will be interested on your thoughts as this thread has so far been mostly covered by cyclists He/she sorry don't know which one you identify has? Wasn't riding 2 they were on there own just riding in a save position on the road, also it is perfectly legal for cyclist to ride 2 a breast on the road why should they pull in and stop to let cars past? Should caravan drivers do that? Horse riders? Tractors? There is no excuse for driving your car towards anyone cyclist pedestrian other vehicles, its a he ,,,, i didnt say it was right to drive him of the road and i realise that he was cycling on his own, please read my post again, what i am trying to say is that cyclists in my experience hardly ever pull over , along the country lane that i drive along 8 or 10 or maybe 30 times a day it is not unusual to have well in excess of 200 cyclists a day at the weekend and if theres a cycle ride organised then well in excess of a 1000 ,no problem in that at all , its a lovely part of the country ,but most of time these cyclists are on a mission to get back home in as quick a time as possible , yet again no problem in that , what ever floats your boat , but because they wont stop at the pull in points when they are near one then it is them who is trying to force other vehicles off the road ,, the pull in points along our lane just happen to be on both sides of the road for a reason !!!!,, is there a law which states that a cycle has right of way over another vehicle ? ,,, may be there is ,, im all for give and take but on a sunday morning it is very frustrating to say the least , 2 ambulance visits along our lane in 18 months , both times injured cyclists , i dont want to see anymore hurt but im afraid sooner or later theres going to be a more tragic reason for an ambulance to be called ,,,,,, to me its just plain common sense if you want to road race along narrow country lanes with blind corners and gravel and what ever on the roads then sooner or later you will come a cropper if you read the highway code a cyclist doesnt have to pull over they have as much right on the road as any other road user.when you took your driving test did they not tell you only to make an overtakinp manuvour when it is safe to do so!!! It does mention that a vehicle has to give 3 foot clearance when passing through the cyclist, not many drivers seem to know that that one." Okay ; lets try and make this clear ,,,, i am on country lanes , when I pull right over to the left hand side there wont be a three foot clearance ,,,,, this is why we have passing places , except not every one think they have to use them for some bizarre reason | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides In this instance, complete rubbish. He pulled alongside then swung the wheel over. He then told me it was to teach me a lesson because in his view I was too far into the road, ie I was riding away from the 'door zone' of parked cars. That's good cycling/motorcycling practice. Fair enough. But if thats where you usually cycle, how long does the line of traffic behind you usually stretch for?
It doesn't matter, safety is the important factor here. I move back inside when there aren't any parked cars.
And you check your mirror when pulling out into the middle of the road? Can you always judge the speed of traffic coming up behind you? And what if its coming too fast to pull out into the middle of the road? Do you stop behind each parked car until its clear?
If the car drivers behind are too stupid to see the cyclist in front and slow down accordingly, they shouldn't be on the road.
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"Personally I dont do these large events, I'm too tight to pay £50 for the privilege of riding a route I can ride anytime I want! As for narrow lanes, if the lane is down to a single lane width - ie no white line - then I'll ride bang in the middle, if I can't see what's coming round the bend then the driver begin me certainly can't, so he can wait til I can see the way is clear & THEN I'll move over - IF there is enough room to do so without putting me at risk. I'll sometimes stop & let them past, but again that's my decision to make." this is called defencive riding and perfectly legal its what most good motorcyclists will do xt | |||
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"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse. My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice. He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson' I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time." Happened to a friend of mine this week. A young lady pushed my mate off via his pannier. Then stopped and told him he shouldnt have been further from the kerb than 12 inchs. Im sorry to say he was to shocked to break her nose before she drove away. | |||
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"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt" So cyclists never do anything which could cause injury to pedestrians? I've lost count the amount of times a cyclist has gone straight through a red light/green man and hurled abuse at the pedestrians. Or the time a cyclist smashed my wing mirror off when I was parked and just cycled off? All road users need to be responsible some cyclists shouldn't be on the road eg the muppet who was cycling down a country lane with no lights on and no reflectors or hi-viz vests. I don't understand op that if you have whitnessed other incidents why you don't recorded it using your clearly identifiable helmet cam? Maybe the driver would have acted different? Incidentally what did you say back to him after the abuse he gave you? | |||
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"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt" sorry should of made myself clear , i was always talking about passing and never meant overtaking | |||
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"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt So cyclists never do anything which could cause injury to pedestrians? I've lost count the amount of times a cyclist has gone straight through a red light/green man and hurled abuse at the pedestrians. Or the time a cyclist smashed my wing mirror off when I was parked and just cycled off? All road users need to be responsible some cyclists shouldn't be on the road eg the muppet who was cycling down a country lane with no lights on and no reflectors or hi-viz vests. I don't understand op that if you have whitnessed other incidents why you don't recorded it using your clearly identifiable helmet cam? Maybe the driver would have acted different? Incidentally what did you say back to him after the abuse he gave you? " I didn't have my helmetcam on today,ive never used it for road riding & have never felt the need til now. It was bought for making mtb films. I tried to explain why I was riding in Primary position away from car doors, but that was to no avail. Because of that I asked if he'd done it on purpose & he replied he'd done it to teach me a lesson - wish I had that on camera! | |||
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"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt sorry should of made myself clear , i was always talking about passing and never meant overtaking " Passing oncoming vehicles - whatever they may be - on singletrack roads just takes patience,courtesy & common sense. Overtaking on singletrack roads is just bloody stupid regardless of the vehicles involved. | |||
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"A so called passing place are for vehicles coming in opposite directions, not overtaking points as such,though common sence should come into play as been quoted i.e tractor/cyclist xt sorry should of made myself clear , i was always talking about passing and never meant overtaking Passing oncoming vehicles - whatever they may be - on singletrack roads just takes patience,courtesy & common sense. Overtaking on singletrack roads is just bloody stupid regardless of the vehicles involved." very true | |||
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"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report. I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test! "I think all vehicles should have a camera, one that cannot be altered either. I can imagine how many cameras will suddenly be faulty when the operator is at fault. You'll probably find that people will behave around you with your can on. The only thing I'm not so sure about is the legality of recording someone without warning.   | |||
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"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report. I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test! "maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box! Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up! | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" What a load of bolox" Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission. | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" What a load of bolox Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission." Ok I'll come along and film under your skirt or tape your private conversation | |||
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"Very melodramatic however if someone was making an attempt to really hit a cyclist they would have. I guess its more about getting attention claiming that though." Its what the driver said, can only go off his words. | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" What a load of bolox Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission. Ok I'll come along and film under your skirt or tape your private conversation" Its legal. Google it. I'll wait.. | |||
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"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report. I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test! maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!
Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!"Why did you sound your horn? | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" What a load of bolox Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission. Ok I'll come along and film under your skirt or tape your private conversation Its legal. Google it. I'll wait.." Don' need to Ive given you an example that is illegal | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" What a load of bolox Show me otherwise then. Its perfectly legal to film anyone in a public space without their permission. Ok I'll come along and film under your skirt or tape your private conversation Its legal. Google it. I'll wait.. Don' need to Ive given you an example that is illegal" No, you havent. Inside a persons clothes is not public space, a private conversation by definition cannot be held in a public space. Its legal to film. Argue all you like, you are wrong. That's not my view, that's the legal view. | |||
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"Is there a difference between a helmet cam and a dashboard cam then? Because if the dash cam is legal (it is) then surely the helmet cam is." Under current law, no. | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space"" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. " Thank you | |||
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"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report. I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test! maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!
Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!"Some cyclists are dicks as are some car driver, why would you beep your horn at a cyclist doing 30mph? What if he had looked up lost control and fallen off? Would you beep your horn at a car doing 30 in a 50? No, would you beep your horn at horse rider again no, so from your description it sounds like the only dick was in the vehicle not the cyclist | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. " What a ridiculous statement, how are nurserys and changing rooms public places? | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. What a ridiculous statement, how are nurserys and changing rooms public places? " Because they are open to the public? | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. " That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space. There is relevant law about what you do with that footage regarding social media, but the actual act of recording is legal, no matter what some may argue. Legal opinion has already stated this, which is why I quoted "there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space". That is the considered legal opinion. | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. What a ridiculous statement, how are nurserys and changing rooms public places? " As previously stated they are open to public! In many nurseries and schools videoing your child performing in a school play is banned! What about a public swimming pool again not allowed to film for obvious reasons. | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space. There is relevant law about what you do with that footage regarding social media, but the actual act of recording is legal, no matter what some may argue. Legal opinion has already stated this, which is why I quoted "there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space". That is the considered legal opinion." So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would) | |||
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"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report. I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test! maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!
Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!
Some cyclists are dicks as are some car driver, why would you beep your horn at a cyclist doing 30mph? What if he had looked up lost control and fallen off? Would you beep your horn at a car doing 30 in a 50? No, would you beep your horn at horse rider again no, so from your description it sounds like the only dick was in the vehicle not the cyclist"I would sound my horn at anyone if the the same situation arouse. It would have been hilarious apart from the fact he was pretty badly hurt, if he had looked up he would have seen the traffic stopped in front of him and not hit the back of a van head first. | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space. There is relevant law about what you do with that footage regarding social media, but the actual act of recording is legal, no matter what some may argue. Legal opinion has already stated this, which is why I quoted "there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space". That is the considered legal opinion. So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would)" I doubt that, as other laws will most probably come into effect at that point. The definitions will change as the situation & potential for harm changes - the collection of incriminating evidence of illegality and the collection of footage of semi naked children would seem to be very different situations. It is currently legal to use helmet cameras on UK roads. But is a swimming baths a 'public space'? Public have paying access but they don't have a right of access so different laws will be in place there I think. | |||
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"As well as being an everyday cyclist I'm also a twenty odd year driver so I'm not interested in all the bollocks other drivers go on about cyclists and road tax etc. I do however notice that as soon as a cyclist mentions the unquestionably awful beaviour of a driver like the OP has there then sparks an undercurrent of quite nasty comments as if its just not possible that they could be a safe and competent rider and they can't be in some way to blame. Let's be honest anyone has only got to go out in their own car for a short while to see plenty of shit driving and how many times have you had a near miss which wasn't your fault and yet the other party starts shouting and mouthing off like their in no way to blame and its all your fault??" Regarding the anti stuff, its par for the course I'm afraid. | |||
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"Just had a driver aim his car AT me, then lean out of his window yelling abuse. My crime? To cycle more than a doors width away from parked cars as per training & govt safety advice. He even admitted he'd done it to 'teach me a lesson' I'm shaking now, ive been cycling for over 30yrs and this was the worst in a long time." some people are just utter idiots | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space. There is relevant law about what you do with that footage regarding social media, but the actual act of recording is legal, no matter what some may argue. Legal opinion has already stated this, which is why I quoted "there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space". That is the considered legal opinion. So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would) I doubt that, as other laws will most probably come into effect at that point. The definitions will change as the situation & potential for harm changes - the collection of incriminating evidence of illegality and the collection of footage of semi naked children would seem to be very different situations. It is currently legal to use helmet cameras on UK roads. But is a swimming baths a 'public space'? Public have paying access but they don't have a right of access so different laws will be in place there I think." So I could walk down the road 2 feet behind someone filming their arse for as long as I liked and there is nothing they could do about it because I am doing nothing wrong and they have no right to privacy when in a public space? | |||
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"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report. I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test! "Good. There's some real idiots about..... | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space. There is relevant law about what you do with that footage regarding social media, but the actual act of recording is legal, no matter what some may argue. Legal opinion has already stated this, which is why I quoted "there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space". That is the considered legal opinion. So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would) I doubt that, as other laws will most probably come into effect at that point. The definitions will change as the situation & potential for harm changes - the collection of incriminating evidence of illegality and the collection of footage of semi naked children would seem to be very different situations. It is currently legal to use helmet cameras on UK roads. But is a swimming baths a 'public space'? Public have paying access but they don't have a right of access so different laws will be in place there I think. So I could walk down the road 2 feet behind someone filming their arse for as long as I liked and there is nothing they could do about it because I am doing nothing wrong and they have no right to privacy when in a public space?" Depends on what other laws are being broken by that act. The act of filming with a helmetcam is of itself not illegal, what is done with that footage may be. It will come down to 'why' the footage is shot - filming for evidence in the case of an incident will be very different to filming for gratuitous reasons. The fact remains that helmetcam use is legal, whether you accept that or not is irrelevant. Why not try a test case with the next cyclist/motorcyclist you see with a camera? Try taking them to court, I'm sure we'll all follow the case with interest.. | |||
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"So sorry this happened to you Sara. Really glad he didn't hit you. I hope you report him and it's covered by cctv. You shouldn't just let it go. It's a matter of time until he escalates his actions. " Unfortunately I don't have any evidence or his reg plate - I did, but forgot it as the adrenaline wore down. The camera is now being worn in part in case he makes any further attempts at aggressive driving or assault. TBH ive already collected footage of two drivers blatantly running red lights right in front of me, if I thought it would do any good I'd report it, but the police almost certainly won't act. Suppose that makes me part of the problem doesn't it? | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. What a ridiculous statement, how are nurserys and changing rooms public places? Because they are open to the public? "They are open to members, you can2just walk in, they maybe public run like the swimming baths but they are private grounds, they are not open to anyone like a road is, to even try and compare changing room to the outside is ridiculous | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space. There is relevant law about what you do with that footage regarding social media, but the actual act of recording is legal, no matter what some may argue. Legal opinion has already stated this, which is why I quoted "there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space". That is the considered legal opinion. So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would) I doubt that, as other laws will most probably come into effect at that point. The definitions will change as the situation & potential for harm changes - the collection of incriminating evidence of illegality and the collection of footage of semi naked children would seem to be very different situations. It is currently legal to use helmet cameras on UK roads. But is a swimming baths a 'public space'? Public have paying access but they don't have a right of access so different laws will be in place there I think. So I could walk down the road 2 feet behind someone filming their arse for as long as I liked and there is nothing they could do about it because I am doing nothing wrong and they have no right to privacy when in a public space? Depends on what other laws are being broken by that act. The act of filming with a helmetcam is of itself not illegal, what is done with that footage may be. It will come down to 'why' the footage is shot - filming for evidence in the case of an incident will be very different to filming for gratuitous reasons. The fact remains that helmetcam use is legal, whether you accept that or not is irrelevant. Why not try a test case with the next cyclist/motorcyclist you see with a camera? Try taking them to court, I'm sure we'll all follow the case with interest.." But in your original post there was no mention of helmet cam you just said it was legal to film anyone in public without their permission and there was no mention of 'why' or what the film could be used for | |||
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"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report. I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test! maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!
Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!
Some cyclists are dicks as are some car driver, why would you beep your horn at a cyclist doing 30mph? What if he had looked up lost control and fallen off? Would you beep your horn at a car doing 30 in a 50? No, would you beep your horn at horse rider again no, so from your description it sounds like the only dick was in the vehicle not the cyclist I would sound my horn at anyone if the the same situation arouse. It would have been hilarious apart from the fact he was pretty badly hurt, if he had looked up he would have seen the traffic stopped in front of him and not hit the back of a van head first."Did he hit the back of the van head first? So let me get this right, you would laugh at someone you made fall off his bike at 30mph? Peoples stupidity really does astound me sometimes, | |||
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"Its quite legal, as "you can have no expectation of privacy in a public space" You still have to display a sign that states your using cctv. In public councils need to display this. Otherwise as someone else has stated it would be legal to film upskirts or take a camera into a changing room or a nursery. That's quite true - for CCTV. There is no requirement for that with regards to helmet or dashboard cameras, which are perfectly legal to use in a public space. There is relevant law about what you do with that footage regarding social media, but the actual act of recording is legal, no matter what some may argue. Legal opinion has already stated this, which is why I quoted "there can be no expectation of privacy in a public space". That is the considered legal opinion. So in effect all people need to do is change the camera? I.e. If I have helmet cam on and walk into a public swimming pool I'm legal? (Not that I would) I doubt that, as other laws will most probably come into effect at that point. The definitions will change as the situation & potential for harm changes - the collection of incriminating evidence of illegality and the collection of footage of semi naked children would seem to be very different situations. It is currently legal to use helmet cameras on UK roads. But is a swimming baths a 'public space'? Public have paying access but they don't have a right of access so different laws will be in place there I think. So I could walk down the road 2 feet behind someone filming their arse for as long as I liked and there is nothing they could do about it because I am doing nothing wrong and they have no right to privacy when in a public space? Depends on what other laws are being broken by that act. The act of filming with a helmetcam is of itself not illegal, what is done with that footage may be. It will come down to 'why' the footage is shot - filming for evidence in the case of an incident will be very different to filming for gratuitous reasons. The fact remains that helmetcam use is legal, whether you accept that or not is irrelevant. Why not try a test case with the next cyclist/motorcyclist you see with a camera? Try taking them to court, I'm sure we'll all follow the case with interest.. But in your original post there was no mention of helmet cam you just said it was legal to film anyone in public without their permission and there was no mention of 'why' or what the film could be used for" Considering the post previous was about a helmetcam, the comment from another poster was about the legality of such & the considered legal opinion was in reference to that matter then its not exactly difficult to follow the dots is it? The conversation is about the legality of using helmetcam's, it's not my problem if you find it too difficult to follow. | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.." Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else!" You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject." Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. " My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location. Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people. Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW. As seen on this thread, there are those who have no idea of what the laws around cycling actually are, what actually represents safe cycling & how people should drive around cyclists & other vulnerable road users. Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle. | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location. Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people. Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW. As seen on this thread, there are those who have no idea of what the laws around cycling actually are, what actually represents safe cycling & how people should drive around cyclists & other vulnerable road users. Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle." Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location. Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people. Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW. As seen on this thread, there are those who have no idea of what the laws around cycling actually are, what actually represents safe cycling & how people should drive around cyclists & other vulnerable road users. Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle. Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense" This is getting a bit silly now and just becoming a snidey dig. | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. " Ah you often read! Because stories aren't made up to benefit whoever is writing them, Although I will admit Halifax is bad for bad cyclist jumping lights, or jumping on the path to avoid red lights, actually makes me seethe with anger because their rash actions make people think all cyclists are like that All it takes is a little cooperation between motor vehicles and bikes for everyone to get on | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location. Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people. Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW. As seen on this thread, there are those who have no idea of what the laws around cycling actually are, what actually represents safe cycling & how people should drive around cyclists & other vulnerable road users. Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle. Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense" Let me get this straight, you think that following the law, getting trained & understanding that training, then putting that training to use in a practical situation shows a lack of common sense??? | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location. Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people. Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW. As seen on this thread, there are those who have no idea of what the laws around cycling actually are, what actually represents safe cycling & how people should drive around cyclists & other vulnerable road users. Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle. Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense Let me get this straight, you think that following the law, getting trained & understanding that training, then putting that training to use in a practical situation shows a lack of common sense??? " I was thinking of giving my nephew a copy of the highway code to read before he goes for his theory test but obviously according to recent developments that a total waste of time and would be best served by just putting it straight in the bin rather than actually reading it. | |||
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"Well, I wore the camera this morning - uneventful commute so nothing to report. I did wonder if the very sight of the camera on my helmet was altering matters, as the car begin me was being very accommodating - turned out to be a colleague so not exactly a comprehensive test! maybe the cam changed your attitude. Some bikers are utter dicks, consider you will always be worse off verses a metal box!
Always remember following a bike down a 50 mph road doing about 30 right out in the middle of the road head down really going for it beeped my horn,twat didn't even look up!
Some cyclists are dicks as are some car driver, why would you beep your horn at a cyclist doing 30mph? What if he had looked up lost control and fallen off? Would you beep your horn at a car doing 30 in a 50? No, would you beep your horn at horse rider again no, so from your description it sounds like the only dick was in the vehicle not the cyclist I would sound my horn at anyone if the the same situation arouse. It would have been hilarious apart from the fact he was pretty badly hurt, if he had looked up he would have seen the traffic stopped in front of him and not hit the back of a van head first.
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location. Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people. Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW. As seen on this thread, there are those who have no idea of what the laws around cycling actually are, what actually represents safe cycling & how people should drive around cyclists & other vulnerable road users. Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle. Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense Let me get this straight, you think that following the law, getting trained & understanding that training, then putting that training to use in a practical situation shows a lack of common sense??? I was thinking of giving my nephew a copy of the highway code to read before he goes for his theory test but obviously according to recent developments that a total waste of time and would be best served by just putting it straight in the bin rather than actually reading it." Quite. Just goes to show that some people are so convinced of their preconceptions they are utterly unable to take onboard new information, even when that information is a legal requirement. Its this attitude that leads to my original situation, where a driver was so convinced that my entirely legal & quite correct road position was so offensive he thought it only right to use his vehicle as a weapon to 'teach me a lesson'. | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location. Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people. Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW. As seen on this thread, there are those who have no idea of what the laws around cycling actually are, what actually represents safe cycling & how people should drive around cyclists & other vulnerable road users. Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle. Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense Let me get this straight, you think that following the law, getting trained & understanding that training, then putting that training to use in a practical situation shows a lack of common sense??? " No. But following it religously, yes | |||
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"I explain things to children in the same way. Start simple, then gradually add information as their intellect allows. You may be here some time.. Remember we're car drivers so were thick in the eyes of cyclists!! Who are clearly superior to anyone else! You make the mistake of assuming they are two different creatures, remember that cyclists are overwhelmingly drivers too, just have a wider perspective on the subject. Maybe so but I often read that divers will admit to mistakes where as cyclists never seem to be in the wrong ever. Example you saw two motorists just red lights, on a typical day I see at least 6 cyclists do the same. My experience is different to yours, I rarely see a cyclist jump a red around here, I see several drivers at every major junction do it, maybe its peculiar to this location. Studies do show that overall the numbers are broadly similar for both groups - after all, they are often the same people. Red light jumping by cyclists is shown to be a factor in only 2% of cycle/vehicle collisions BTW. As seen on this thread, there are those who have no idea of what the laws around cycling actually are, what actually represents safe cycling & how people should drive around cyclists & other vulnerable road users. Those who cycle will have a better knowledge & broader perspective than those who don't in the main, simply because they see & experience road use from another angle. Just because you read the laws and rules for safe cycling and try to follow them doesn't make it so, not in the real world, which shows if not a lack of intellect then a lack of common sense Let me get this straight, you think that following the law, getting trained & understanding that training, then putting that training to use in a practical situation shows a lack of common sense??? No. But following it religously, yes" So, you don't hold with religiously following the law? Tell me, which road laws do you think its right to ignore? You think following the advice & training of experts to show a lack of sense? Considering you don't even know what the laws are, nor have any idea of what safe cycling entails then I'll happily file your thoughts in the folder marked 'complete ignorance'. | |||
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"Sara, I'd like to share the best piece of advice I ever received from a police motorcyclist about defensive driving. "Being in the right doesn't matter if you're also dead." I haven't read the whole thread, so don't know if there was additional clarification, but as a cyclist I ignore the 'door-width' rule if there is no-one in the car, which as a cyclist I have plenty of time to assess. In a narrow space, I would also have considered oncoming road-users, especially since the obstruction was on my side. Stay safe Mr ddc" In this particular case, it wasn't possible to see if the cars were empty as it was a long row of cars on a reasonably wide main road. No oncoming traffic either so the driver in question had plenty of room & time to overtake in the opposing lane as per rule 163. I simply won't compromise my safety to allow someone else to drive past without doing it properly. Too many people think cyclists should ride in the gutter, that's the most dangerous part of the road to cycle in & I'll continue to ride where my training & experience tells me is the safest - ie where I can control my environment when I need to do so. | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides" There's always someone has to be a jerk in these situations
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"In addition to looking in the windows, I found looking at the driver's wing-mirror invaluable. Not advising you to break 'rules', just hoping to pass on the good advice I was given." Oh yes, that's good to do when you can see the mirror, unfortunately in this case it was half-light, a lot of cars closely parked & I was moving fairly quickly so the only safe response is to be far enough away that a sudden door opening doesn't cause a crash. As you know, you ride according to the conditions, I just find it grimly amusing to be told (not by yourself) that I was wrong to ride in this manner by a poster who has clearly demonstrated they know nothing of the law or what is taught & required to keep a rider safe & to allow them to control their environment. | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides There's always someone has to be a jerk in these situations
There's no excuse for pushing a cyclist."And who pushed a cyclist? | |||
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"In addition to looking in the windows, I found looking at the driver's wing-mirror invaluable. Not advising you to break 'rules', just hoping to pass on the good advice I was given." Mr Ddc, when people are always right they have no need of peoples advice | |||
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"Maybe you swerved out too suddenly and scared the guy, maybe he was in shock. There are always 2 sides There's always someone has to be a jerk in these situations
There's no excuse for pushing a cyclist."Oh and cringe 2 | |||
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"In addition to looking in the windows, I found looking at the driver's wing-mirror invaluable. Not advising you to break 'rules', just hoping to pass on the good advice I was given. Oh yes, that's good to do when you can see the mirror, unfortunately in this case it was half-light, a lot of cars closely parked & I was moving fairly quickly so the only safe response is to be far enough away that a sudden door opening doesn't cause a crash. As you know, you ride according to the conditions, I just find it grimly amusing to be told (not by yourself) that I was wrong to ride in this manner by a poster who has clearly demonstrated they know nothing of the law or what is taught & required to keep a rider safe & to allow them to control their environment." You've contradicted yourself a bit here - a few posts above you say you won't compromise your safety, but then you say it was half-light, a lot of cars closely parked and you were moving fairly quickly. From what you say, it sounds as though you weren't riding in a particularly safe manner due to the conditions whilst antagonising someone behind you driving over a ton of metal. It would have been just a few seconds out of your day to just stop and let him go by. | |||
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"In addition to looking in the windows, I found looking at the driver's wing-mirror invaluable. Not advising you to break 'rules', just hoping to pass on the good advice I was given. Oh yes, that's good to do when you can see the mirror, unfortunately in this case it was half-light, a lot of cars closely parked & I was moving fairly quickly so the only safe response is to be far enough away that a sudden door opening doesn't cause a crash. As you know, you ride according to the conditions, I just find it grimly amusing to be told (not by yourself) that I was wrong to ride in this manner by a poster who has clearly demonstrated they know nothing of the law or what is taught & required to keep a rider safe & to allow them to control their environment. You've contradicted yourself a bit here - a few posts above you say you won't compromise your safety, but then you say it was half-light, a lot of cars closely parked and you were moving fairly quickly. From what you say, it sounds as though you weren't riding in a particularly safe manner due to the conditions whilst antagonising someone behind you driving over a ton of metal. It would have been just a few seconds out of your day to just stop and let him go by. " the driver should wait behind the cyclist until the cyclist has overtaken the parked cars and there is enough space to overtake the cyclist safely! There's no excuses for bad driving! | |||
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" It does mention that a vehicle has to give 3 foot clearance when passing through the cyclist, not many drivers seem to know that that one." My driving instructor used to tell me "three feet from parked cars, six feet from cyclists" Perhaps this was just his guidance. Thankfully I have hung up my tractor keys for the last time around a fortnight ago but I used to hate driving in the largely urban conditions I covered. All vehicles (and a cycle IS a vehicle in the letter of the law)can be pulled over to allow passing of faster traffic should the police decide that the driving/rider is being "inconsiderate to other road users". I used to get situations time and time again where I had to follow cyclists in what was undoubtedly "riding in an inconsiderate manner" as I would, by the nature of my vehicle, not be able to pass them. Let`s not forget a tractor is designed and prevented by law from driving at more than 25 MPH (recently raised from 20 MPH) and acceleration is timed with an egg timer! Those who know it - the perimeter road around Bournemouth Airport was a classic location for this despite the provision of a perfectly safe cycle path (don`t start going on about cycles not having to use a cycle lane in this instance) I would eventually get a chance to overtake on this very busy road, only to have the cyclist undertake me at the traffic lights and I have to go through the whole process again, still with same queue of traffic behind me. Me pull over and let the traffic pass like I`m obliged to do? The NFU used to give tractor drivers guidance of letting no more than 10 cars be held behind you and to hold no traffic for more than one mile. But in this case, you`d have a line of more than 10 vehicles build up behind you in seconds and the next vehicle behind me would more than likely be lorry or coach who would be in the same boat as me in trying to pass. So, little wonder that some cyclists attract reactions. O.P. This was hopefully NOT the case in your incident. | |||
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"What these threads illustrate quite beautifully is how people see cyclists or motorists. They see the whole, not the individual. So "the bloody cyclist is going to make me late for work!" becomes true, not "that woman is in my way and could let me pass, but i don't want to kill her so I'll give her room". We as car drivers need to remember that life outside of our 4 warm corners is cold, wet, and bone brakingly real. No judge will say "yeah you were right to knock her off, after all you don't want to be late do you!? Off you go!"" 
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"In addition to looking in the windows, I found looking at the driver's wing-mirror invaluable. Not advising you to break 'rules', just hoping to pass on the good advice I was given. Oh yes, that's good to do when you can see the mirror, unfortunately in this case it was half-light, a lot of cars closely parked & I was moving fairly quickly so the only safe response is to be far enough away that a sudden door opening doesn't cause a crash. As you know, you ride according to the conditions, I just find it grimly amusing to be told (not by yourself) that I was wrong to ride in this manner by a poster who has clearly demonstrated they know nothing of the law or what is taught & required to keep a rider safe & to allow them to control their environment. You've contradicted yourself a bit here - a few posts above you say you won't compromise your safety, but then you say it was half-light, a lot of cars closely parked and you were moving fairly quickly. From what you say, it sounds as though you weren't riding in a particularly safe manner due to the conditions whilst antagonising someone behind you driving over a ton of metal. It would have been just a few seconds out of your day to just stop and let him go by. the driver should wait behind the cyclist until the cyclist has overtaken the parked cars and there is enough space to overtake the cyclist safely! There's no excuses for bad driving! " | |||
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"In addition to looking in the windows, I found looking at the driver's wing-mirror invaluable. Not advising you to break 'rules', just hoping to pass on the good advice I was given. Oh yes, that's good to do when you can see the mirror, unfortunately in this case it was half-light, a lot of cars closely parked & I was moving fairly quickly so the only safe response is to be far enough away that a sudden door opening doesn't cause a crash. As you know, you ride according to the conditions, I just find it grimly amusing to be told (not by yourself) that I was wrong to ride in this manner by a poster who has clearly demonstrated they know nothing of the law or what is taught & required to keep a rider safe & to allow them to control their environment. You've contradicted yourself a bit here - a few posts above you say you won't compromise your safety, but then you say it was half-light, a lot of cars closely parked and you were moving fairly quickly. From what you say, it sounds as though you weren't riding in a particularly safe manner due to the conditions whilst antagonising someone behind you driving over a ton of metal. It would have been just a few seconds out of your day to just stop and let him go by. " Let me get this straight.. A line of parked cars on a main road at 07:30, a 30mph limit that I was riding around 18-20mph (too fast apparently) whilst lit up with two rear flashing lights (highly visible) & no oncoming traffic. According to you I should have pulled over to let a vehicle behind me, pass? So simply by legally being on the road I have a Statutory Right to use is antagonising a driver begin me, which gives him a right to use his vehicle to assault me? Explain how I could pull over to allow him past when there is a solid line of parked cars to my left??? Or are you advocating I put myself at risk by riding in the Door Zone simply to allow mr impatient to get past without bothering to actually make an overtaking manoeuvre? Thanks for making it clear I am considered less than human on UK roads.. | |||
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" It does mention that a vehicle has to give 3 foot clearance when passing through the cyclist, not many drivers seem to know that that one. My driving instructor used to tell me "three feet from parked cars, six feet from cyclists" Perhaps this was just his guidance. Thankfully I have hung up my tractor keys for the last time around a fortnight ago but I used to hate driving in the largely urban conditions I covered. All vehicles (and a cycle IS a vehicle in the letter of the law)can be pulled over to allow passing of faster traffic should the police decide that the driving/rider is being "inconsiderate to other road users". I used to get situations time and time again where I had to follow cyclists in what was undoubtedly "riding in an inconsiderate manner" as I would, by the nature of my vehicle, not be able to pass them. Let`s not forget a tractor is designed and prevented by law from driving at more than 25 MPH (recently raised from 20 MPH) and acceleration is timed with an egg timer! Those who know it - the perimeter road around Bournemouth Airport was a classic location for this despite the provision of a perfectly safe cycle path (don`t start going on about cycles not having to use a cycle lane in this instance) I would eventually get a chance to overtake on this very busy road, only to have the cyclist undertake me at the traffic lights and I have to go through the whole process again, still with same queue of traffic behind me. Me pull over and let the traffic pass like I`m obliged to do? The NFU used to give tractor drivers guidance of letting no more than 10 cars be held behind you and to hold no traffic for more than one mile. But in this case, you`d have a line of more than 10 vehicles build up behind you in seconds and the next vehicle behind me would more than likely be lorry or coach who would be in the same boat as me in trying to pass. So, little wonder that some cyclists attract reactions. O.P. This was hopefully NOT the case in your incident. " Half 7 in the morning, nowhere to pull to the side & no oncoming traffic. Nothing to stop the prick overtaking in the opposite lane as per RULE 163 yet its apparently ok for him to pass within inches to 'teach me a lesson ' | |||
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"Rule 163 Anyone else notice anything strange about this thread "I do,your ignorance of it. | |||
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" It does mention that a vehicle has to give 3 foot clearance when passing through the cyclist, not many drivers seem to know that that one. My driving instructor used to tell me "three feet from parked cars, six feet from cyclists" Perhaps this was just his guidance. Thankfully I have hung up my tractor keys for the last time around a fortnight ago but I used to hate driving in the largely urban conditions I covered. All vehicles (and a cycle IS a vehicle in the letter of the law)can be pulled over to allow passing of faster traffic should the police decide that the driving/rider is being "inconsiderate to other road users". I used to get situations time and time again where I had to follow cyclists in what was undoubtedly "riding in an inconsiderate manner" as I would, by the nature of my vehicle, not be able to pass them. Let`s not forget a tractor is designed and prevented by law from driving at more than 25 MPH (recently raised from 20 MPH) and acceleration is timed with an egg timer! Those who know it - the perimeter road around Bournemouth Airport was a classic location for this despite the provision of a perfectly safe cycle path (don`t start going on about cycles not having to use a cycle lane in this instance) I would eventually get a chance to overtake on this very busy road, only to have the cyclist undertake me at the traffic lights and I have to go through the whole process again, still with same queue of traffic behind me. Me pull over and let the traffic pass like I`m obliged to do? The NFU used to give tractor drivers guidance of letting no more than 10 cars be held behind you and to hold no traffic for more than one mile. But in this case, you`d have a line of more than 10 vehicles build up behind you in seconds and the next vehicle behind me would more than likely be lorry or coach who would be in the same boat as me in trying to pass. So, little wonder that some cyclists attract reactions. O.P. This was hopefully NOT the case in your incident. Half 7 in the morning, nowhere to pull to the side & no oncoming traffic. Nothing to stop the prick overtaking in the opposite lane as per RULE 163 yet its apparently ok for him to pass within inches to 'teach me a lesson '" I think maybe the best anybody who rides and wants to stay safe can do is come to the realisation that the best thing you can do is not give a fuck about what drivers do or think and do what you know is the right and safest thing. I did long ago and till now touch wood its served me very well. I ride very defensively which means taking the middle of the lane approaching pinch points such as mid road bollards and roundabouts etc so nobody can deliberately squeeze me out.About 3 months ago I had a guy in a transit tried to cut round me in a single lane about 20 metres from a roundabout and hit the high kerb on the bollards in the middle of the Road. As I explained to him if he's willing to admit to the police that he was attempting to overtake that close to a roundabout I'd happy ring the constabulary for myself. Strangely he didn't seem that keen on the idea. As I've stated in this forum earlier I'm a twenty odd year driver so I'm not anti-driver ..I just like getting home in one piece. | |||
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"Rule 163 Anyone else notice anything strange about this thread "I'm glad i don't share your roads to be honest. In any mode of transport. | |||
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