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"We have friends in Bath who quite regularly use Bristol airport to hop over to Dublin for family reasons. Its a 20 minute flight and yet they still have to check in 2 hours before hand because of security checks! The only way they have found to get around this is to book ryanair and travel with no luggage. Even then you are expected at the gate 30 minutes before the flight and on top of that you have to get through security, which can be another 30 minutes if its busy." id happily queue for longer to make sure no one got on my plane with the wherewithal to blow it out of the skies. | |||
"We have friends in Bath who quite regularly use Bristol airport to hop over to Dublin for family reasons. Its a 20 minute flight and yet they still have to check in 2 hours before hand because of security checks! The only way they have found to get around this is to book ryanair and travel with no luggage. Even then you are expected at the gate 30 minutes before the flight and on top of that you have to get through security, which can be another 30 minutes if its busy. id happily queue for longer to make sure no one got on my plane with the wherewithal to blow it out of the skies." ur right.. total pain in the ass security.. they gone over the top... i blame the bloody yanks..... | |||
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"We have friends in Bath who quite regularly use Bristol airport to hop over to Dublin for family reasons. Its a 20 minute flight and yet they still have to check in 2 hours before hand because of security checks! The only way they have found to get around this is to book ryanair and travel with no luggage. Even then you are expected at the gate 30 minutes before the flight and on top of that you have to get through security, which can be another 30 minutes if its busy. id happily queue for longer to make sure no one got on my plane with the wherewithal to blow it out of the skies. ur right.. total pain in the ass security.. they gone over the top... i blame the bloody yanks....." Yeah.....anyone would think they had lost thousands in a bloody airplane terrorist incident.....bloody Yanks. | |||
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"I'd queue all day and go through any security checks to ensure my safety!" Me too. | |||
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"u only die once... what u going to do go through life being scared of everything... do understand security but its just gone mad... cant even take a drink through.. what u going to do attack the pilot with a bottle of pop? ...." You obviously missed the bit about two part explosive mixtures being taken onto airplanes didn't you?..... Do you actually fly on a regular basis? | |||
"u only die once... what u going to do go through life being scared of everything... do understand security but its just gone mad... cant even take a drink through.. what u going to do attack the pilot with a bottle of pop? .... You obviously missed the bit about two part explosive mixtures being taken onto airplanes didn't you?..... Do you actually fly on a regular basis? " yes i gotta book one today i hope | |||
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"Most of you are missing the point. It is now widely recognised that the increased security does not work. If they want, stuff can still be taken aboard a plane. What you say is cock, you would have queued for two hours been checked and feel you are safe. Meanwhile a ink cartridge has undergone no security checks and been placed in the hold of the plane as cargo. BANG!! your dead, falling out of the sky, but safe in the knowledge you queued to be security checked. The authorites have the wherewithal to conduct terrorist profiling, they choose not to do so. Think for a moment, who is likely to be a terrorist, the 70 year old granny going to see her grandkids, or the 20 something asian bloke? Who wold you choose? That may put it bluntly but that is what profiling is about. Its far better than what we endure now, let the authorities start using it. They have made their point with aircraft, they have caused world wide chaos for air travel. They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres, " They already did the ground - 7/7 | |||
"Most of you are missing the point. It is now widely recognised that the increased security does not work. If they want, stuff can still be taken aboard a plane. What you say is cock, you would have queued for two hours been checked and feel you are safe. Meanwhile a ink cartridge has undergone no security checks and been placed in the hold of the plane as cargo. BANG!! your dead, falling out of the sky, but safe in the knowledge you queued to be security checked. The authorites have the wherewithal to conduct terrorist profiling, they choose not to do so. Think for a moment, who is likely to be a terrorist, the 70 year old granny going to see her grandkids, or the 20 something asian bloke? Who wold you choose? That may put it bluntly but that is what profiling is about. Its far better than what we endure now, let the authorities start using it. They have made their point with aircraft, they have caused world wide chaos for air travel. They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres, " I fly most weeks and yes the security queues do get you down but when I heard the reason a young child was searched it brought it in to perspective. The alarm went off btw, Mother was argueing the toss that would a young kid be a terroist, security officer said no but terrorists can be really sneaky and give things to kids or hide them on kids, they have no morals, just as she found a pair of scissors in the little girls coat pocket! Mother was very sheepish and said ok I see what you mean. Oh and it was an internal flight from Norwich to Edinburgh just like the 9/11 planes all internal US flights. | |||
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"Most of you are missing the point. It is now widely recognised that the increased security does not work. If they want, stuff can still be taken aboard a plane. What you say is cock, you would have queued for two hours been checked and feel you are safe. Meanwhile a ink cartridge has undergone no security checks and been placed in the hold of the plane as cargo. BANG!! your dead, falling out of the sky, but safe in the knowledge you queued to be security checked. The authorites have the wherewithal to conduct terrorist profiling, they choose not to do so. Think for a moment, who is likely to be a terrorist, the 70 year old granny going to see her grandkids, or the 20 something asian bloke? Who wold you choose? That may put it bluntly but that is what profiling is about. Its far better than what we endure now, let the authorities start using it. They have made their point with aircraft, they have caused world wide chaos for air travel. They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres, " Already happened in 1996 Manchester | |||
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"Most of you are missing the point. It is now widely recognised that the increased security does not work. If they want, stuff can still be taken aboard a plane. What you say is cock, you would have queued for two hours been checked and feel you are safe. Meanwhile a ink cartridge has undergone no security checks and been placed in the hold of the plane as cargo. BANG!! your dead, falling out of the sky, but safe in the knowledge you queued to be security checked. The authorites have the wherewithal to conduct terrorist profiling, they choose not to do so. Think for a moment, who is likely to be a terrorist, the 70 year old granny going to see her grandkids, or the 20 something asian bloke? Who wold you choose? That may put it bluntly but that is what profiling is about. Its far better than what we endure now, let the authorities start using it. They have made their point with aircraft, they have caused world wide chaos for air travel. They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres, " Or maybe blow themselves up whilst standing in a fucking massive queue in an airport, just as they get to the X-ray machine. Think of the casualties, think of the publicity......perfect! Would you be so keen to line up with the rest of the cattle after that? Not me, therefore the terrorists win. I'm actually more concerned about Abdul and co loading the plane, who knows what they are putting on board. The main weapon against these terrorists is covert security and informers on the inside of terror cells. The recent inkjet cartridge example shows that airport checks are nonsense, the plane had been loaded in the Middle East and had flown all the way to Nottingham before it was found. It is still unknown exactly how it was to be detonated, or when, it is only assumed that it would go off on the Eastern Seaboard of the USA. It could just as easily have detonated over London. No security checks uncovered this plot, it was down to a tip-off. | |||
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"if 2 hrs out your life is too much for u to give up for security and safety get a bus...lol are we really that self important that a cpl hrs out our busy life is too much.......i think not "Yeah. Think about that next time you are stuck in a traffic queue waiting to get into work due to increased security vigilance. Think it won't happen? think again how many building have security installed before you enter already. | |||
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"I was under the impression that the British military were in Afghanistan to "fight the war against terrorism". It doesn't seem to be working very well, so here's a suggsetion. Bring them all home, and station them at airports, docks, train stations etc so that some proper "profiling" can be done as part of stringent security checks. " Yeah, but there's no gas or petroleum surrounding Heathrow, Gatwick et al!  | |||
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"I was under the impression that the British military were in Afghanistan to "fight the war against terrorism". It doesn't seem to be working very well, so here's a suggsetion. Bring them all home, and station them at airports, docks, train stations etc so that some proper "profiling" can be done as part of stringent security checks. " victory in a counter insurgency is always hard to quantify. when 2 armies fight a conventional war, it is easy to see who has won, not so when fighting terrorists. if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk. | |||
" I'm actually more concerned about Abdul and co loading the plane, who knows what they are putting on board. ." I'd consider that to be a racist comment. You saying that any Muslim working in an airport is a terror suspect? And I think the reference to ink cartridges is slightly misleading, was it not a laser printer toner that was made into a bomb? If all checks at airports were removed then any lunatic could jump on board with a knife or liquid bomb and hijack a stewardess or member of public and threaten to kill them unless pilot did a, b or c. The more stringent the checks, the more people get detered and minimises the chance of it becoming reality again. To the OP, if the flight was only 20 mins, it does beg the question why not get a train or bus. S. | |||
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" if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk." We've been fughting them for years on the streets of the UK. Belfast ring any bells? | |||
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" They will now go after soft ground based targets like shopping centres, Already happened in 1996 Manchester" I was in the Arndale Centre in Manchester yesterday, a security alert was put out asking people to leave the centre, a lot did, (me included), but others just carried on not taking a blind bit of notice of the announcements  | |||
" if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk. We've been fughting them for years on the streets of the UK. Belfast ring any bells?" and we learned a lot of valuable lessons in the province and ultimately forced the provos to the negotiating table. maybe not an out and out victory but it still shows what can be done if you fight them on their own ground on their terms. | |||
" if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk. We've been fughting them for years on the streets of the UK. Belfast ring any bells? and we learned a lot of valuable lessons in the province and ultimately forced the provos to the negotiating table. maybe not an out and out victory but it still shows what can be done if you fight them on their own ground on their terms." So who exactly are we going to fight? Al Qaeda is a global franchise with an extensive network. So why arent US forces in Libya, Yemen, Somalia or even Iraq? | |||
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"Train or bus over the irish sea?!" Thanks for that, at least you read the post unlike the optically disadvantaged person above! I sometimes wonder if some people actually read and understand what they see. | |||
"Train or bus over the irish sea?! Thanks for that, at least you read the post unlike the optically disadvantaged person above! I sometimes wonder if some people actually read and understand what they see." Sorry, I also thought you were complaining about the time for check before flying, what are you saying then? Z | |||
" So who exactly are we going to fight? Al Qaeda is a global franchise with an extensive network. So why arent US forces in Libya, Yemen, Somalia or even Iraq? " true but the taliban aint, and they provided a safe haven for those who carried out the 911 attacks. libya has already been on the wrong end of us air power, iraq... hmmm major regime change and as for somalia and yemen, i would guess it is just a matter of time. | |||
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"Train or bus over the irish sea?! Thanks for that, at least you read the post unlike the optically disadvantaged person above! I sometimes wonder if some people actually read and understand what they see." Apologies, didn't see the Dublin bit.... So will change to car/ferry,lol. But.... No need to get personal on the forums with name calling, I'm only human after all. S. | |||
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" I'm actually more concerned about Abdul and co loading the plane, who knows what they are putting on board. . I'd consider that to be a racist comment. You saying that any Muslim working in an airport is a terror suspect? And I think the reference to ink cartridges is slightly misleading, was it not a laser printer toner that was made into a bomb? If all checks at airports were removed then any lunatic could jump on board with a knife or liquid bomb and hijack a stewardess or member of public and threaten to kill them unless pilot did a, b or c. The more stringent the checks, the more people get detered and minimises the chance of it becoming reality again. S. " Well, until white working class Englishmen called Rob are being flagged as being more likely to become suicide bombers/terrorists, then yep, the people you mention SHOULD be be considered terror suspects, or more accurately, MORE LIKELY to become one. Airport baggage handlers are not exactly high earners, and if they are immigrants and/or Muslims, well, that puts them right in the target demographic of those susceptible to extremist views and actions. Congratulations to you though, it was YOU that successfully linked someone called Abdul, who could be a follower of any religion, to the Islamic faith, and then on to terrorist outrages. Now, why can't the powers-that-be do the same, and profile people getting onto planes for security checks, as mentioned in an earlier post? Possibly because some people get an immediate anal twitch and the word "RACIST!" flashes up in their mind, so sod it, everyone must be inconvenienced to show impartiality. No-one has said to drop all checks, just target resources with more of a practical focus, rather than blinkered blanket inconvenience. Be assured, I'd be advocating that young, single Catholic men with sideburns, wearing donkey jackets and flares be pulled for checks if the IRA had been targetting planes back in the 70s, and their priests were promising them 72 virgins if they martyr themselves. I've no idea whether it was laser toner or an inkjet cartridge, I doubt whether that misled the explosives experts who found the device on the plane at East Mids. But, if there are any experts here, is there a tried and tested two part mixed liquid explosive that can be readily mixed in an aeroplane toilet? AFAIK, there is not, but then I'm no expert.... (I'd Google it, but if I did, then I should get pulled for a rigorous security check next time I fly!) Just because someone has been seeking a way of doing something, doesn't mean it's possible. I've been trying to turn lead into gold, like many before me, but don't expect success anytime soon. No need to inform the Gold Markets and put them on full alert just because I am researching alchemy. In a similar vein, how many terrorists have been apprehended, all geared up ready to blow up a plane, at the increased security checks? I know the answer to that - none. | |||
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" how many terrorists have been apprehended, all geared up ready to blow up a plane, at the increased security checks? I know the answer to that - none. " but what is the purpose of increased security checks? to catch or to deter? it is easy to know when they havent worked but you can never know how many potential attacks have been detered by them | |||
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" how many terrorists have been apprehended, all geared up ready to blow up a plane, at the increased security checks? I know the answer to that - none. but what is the purpose of increased security checks? to catch or to deter? it is easy to know when they havent worked but you can never know how many potential attacks have been detered by them" Secret Squirrel knows full well how many CREDIBLE attempts are made, who is a GENUINE risk (as opposed to, say, Abu Hamza, who is a gobshite, but not going to be trying to martyr himself at any time), and they'd be crowing if they even suspected they had pulled off a major anti-terrorist coup. After their notable failures to act on the July tube bombers, I feel pretty secure in my belief that no major campaigns are in the pipeline to bring down any aircraft. Of course, a lone nutter might have a go, but then again, I might flip and go apeshit on board SleazyJet if they don't stop rabbitting on and trying to flog me shite. If I wanted to grab a hostage and kill them, I'd not need to take anything on with me, there's plenty of things which could be improvised as weapons. | |||
"Just two of what are probably thousands of radical Muslim converts in the UK, so until that problem goes away (like not in my lifetime) then I am all for Two hour airport check ins if it makes things safer." The point being that it doesn't necessarily make things any safer, it is window dressing, fluff, or just plain bullshit. If it makes you FEEL safer, just because someone tells you so and is scanning your shoes, great, but can I please go through a separate channel for those who think that REAL counter-terrorist measures, surveillance and profiling are far more effective? That channel could have the proper TRAINED operatives, not some poor Grade 3 Group 4 grunt, like those who badger you into removing your shoes now, (one or two of whom also may well have been Colonels in their home country's despotic Govt, not that long ago, if my personal experience is anything to go by. I swear Idi Amin works at Luton, I thought he was dead...) who wouldn't be able to spot involuntary suspect behaviour if it arrived by Scud missile, they just want to finish their shift without any hassle, go home, get paid, like the rest of us. | |||
 it’s a no win situation, us Brits always find something to moan about, but at least moan about something worthwhile like having traffic lights at every 100 yards of road rather than having to check in 2 hours early for the ocassional flight. | |||
"Just two of what are probably thousands of radical Muslim converts in the UK, so until that problem goes away (like not in my lifetime) then I am all for Two hour airport check ins if it makes things safer." what about when they up it to 3 or 4 hours .. would u still b happy then ?.. | |||
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"Apart from what we read on Wikileaks. And who's to say some of us aren't well informed? "Hmmm if that was the case then we have more to fear from intelligence leaks dont we. I would like to think that people working in the field of anti terrorism could keep certain things confidential. | |||
"We have friends in Bath who quite regularly use Bristol airport to hop over to Dublin for family reasons. Its a 20 minute flight and yet they still have to check in 2 hours before hand because of security checks! The only way they have found to get around this is to book ryanair and travel with no luggage. Even then you are expected at the gate 30 minutes before the flight and on top of that you have to get through security, which can be another 30 minutes if its busy." quite happy to take a short hop to check out the bristols in bath. No baggage, always come early and don't mind getting on top of the security. | |||
" if we werent fighting them in afghanistan, we would be fighting them on the streets of the uk. We've been fughting them for years on the streets of the UK. Belfast ring any bells? and we learned a lot of valuable lessons in the province and ultimately forced the provos to the negotiating table. maybe not an out and out victory but it still shows what can be done if you fight them on their own ground on their terms. So who exactly are we going to fight? Al Qaeda is a global franchise with an extensive network. So why arent US forces in Libya, Yemen, Somalia or even Iraq? " Part of a "Global mafia" would be more accurate. In the words of the song "plenty good money to be made selling the army the tools of the trade." plus the drugs etc. | |||
So sure enough, my bag gets pulled off and the older bloke comes over, face scarlet as I'm chuckling to myself and he says "erm... there's something in here", yes I know and I know exactly what it is. He said, "erm... could you show it to me please?" So there I am, in my socks, with my tits pretty much on display pulling a butt plug out of my hand luggage, incidentally it was in beside my bullet and he said, "what is that?" I replied, with a proper straight face "it's a butt plug, you know, for sexual purposes? it's okay that I carry that in hand luggage right?!" He was mortified, not sure what he was gonna say next and he just blurted out "you look after that now!"
Bless... needless to say I left it in Bristol to save a repeat performance on the way home!  | |||
