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over a year ago
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I always find the subject of charisma fascinating, a persons natural, inherent likeability (or lack thereof), and wondering exactly what it is about those who have it that makes them so irresistible?
Which celebrities do you think have that natural 'it' about them, and which ones do you feel are the opposite?
For me most: Matt Lucas, Simon Pegg
Least: Noel Gallagher, Kanye West |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...  "
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that. |
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I think Michael Palin exudes charm and charisma in the most understated way....
and Denise Welch demonstrates she has a complete void of either....
The Hairy Bikers seem poles apart in the charisma stakes,,,,, the Geordie one makes me cringe....  |
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that."
I still don't like it, don't know why not. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It Noel Gallagher"
Not sure what you see in him, personally ever since I was a kid he's struck me as an absolute blank in terms of anything resembling likeability or personality. Rather like Bono in that respect, although credit where it's due, despite being an absolute wanker the Irishman is actually a pretty good singer. |
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Has it. All the people I am drawn to.
Does not have it. All the people I am not drawn to.
That's all it is at the end of the day.
It says as much about the observer as the observed.
We are not all drawn to what we view as postive models. All too often we are beguiled by something a little sinister. Charisma is neither good nor bad.
Has it ....... Martin Clunes. Or perhaps I confuse charisma with gentle decency and humanity.
Has it.... Keith Lemon though in a strikingly different way to Martin.
Has it..... Miles Jupp
Has it...... Katie Price
Has it ......... Dwayne Johnson
Ken Robinson, Meryl Streep, Camila Batmanghelidjh, Oprah ....
Don't have it ..... Vast majority of people. |
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"I think Michael Palin exudes charm and charisma in the most understated way....
and Denise Welch demonstrates she has a complete void of either....
The Hairy Bikers seem poles apart in the charisma stakes,,,,, the Geordie one makes me cringe.... "
Palin ..... Agreed
Denise Welch ... You and me both. Detestably Vile Creature.
Hairy Bikers ?? Aren't they both Geordies ? |
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"Has it - Sean Connery, Daniel Craig, James Martin (the chef block) and Paul Hollywood
Void - most politicians. quite a few football managers."
I find Paul Hollywood less charismatic than he is repulsive.
Politicians , successful ones, are highly charismatic. Doesn't mean we like them or what they say but they are charismatic. |
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By *adybee77Woman
over a year ago
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"Has it - Sean Connery, Daniel Craig, James Martin (the chef block) and Paul Hollywood
Void - most politicians. quite a few football managers.
I find Paul Hollywood less charismatic than he is repulsive.
Politicians , successful ones, are highly charismatic. Doesn't mean we like them or what they say but they are charismatic. "
And I said most politicians, not all. And thats just from my personal viewpoint, and having worked with quite a few on all levels from local to MEPs.
Good job there is such a wide range of tastes on the planet, be dull if we all liked the same. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I watched a programme about scientology a while back,one of the head honchos on there literally oooooozed charisma,he was probably in charge of recruitment!
Charisma can be dangerous at times
Someone who has none....Josie Cunningham
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Has it. All the people I am drawn to.
Does not have it. All the people I am not drawn to.
That's all it is at the end of the day.
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Not really, it goes beyond subjective opinion, rather like a persons looks. Sure, it may be said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but some have more beholders than others, and charisma is no different.
If you take 100 people, 99 of whom find you magnetic and one thinks you're a charmless twat, that doesn't reduce your charisma to a matter of opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I always find the subject of charisma fascinating, a persons natural, inherent likeability (or lack thereof), and wondering exactly what it is about those who have it that makes them so irresistible?
Which celebrities do you think have that natural 'it' about them, and which ones do you feel are the opposite?
For me most: Matt Lucas, Simon Pegg
Least: Noel Gallagher, Kanye West"
I agree Kanye West! And Justin Beiber!
Emma Willis has "it" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I watched a programme about scientology a while back,one of the head honchos on there literally oooooozed charisma,he was probably in charge of recruitment!
Charisma can be dangerous at times
Someone who has none....Josie Cunningham
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Cult/religious leaders have bags of it. Documentaries on Jim Jones leader of the Jonestown cult make me feel both fascinated and sick to my stomach at the same time |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I watched a programme about scientology a while back,one of the head honchos on there literally oooooozed charisma,he was probably in charge of recruitment!
Charisma can be dangerous at times
Someone who has none....Josie Cunningham
Cult/religious leaders have bags of it. Documentaries on Jim Jones leader of the Jonestown cult make me feel both fascinated and sick to my stomach at the same time "
I watched a documentary about Jim Jones last week,incredible and devastating at the same time |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I watched a programme about scientology a while back,one of the head honchos on there literally oooooozed charisma,he was probably in charge of recruitment!
Charisma can be dangerous at times
Someone who has none....Josie Cunningham
Cult/religious leaders have bags of it. Documentaries on Jim Jones leader of the Jonestown cult make me feel both fascinated and sick to my stomach at the same time "
That's probably why i don't like it and find it creepy. It often comes across as fake as well, based on my experience of genuine people. |
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"Has it. All the people I am drawn to.
Does not have it. All the people I am not drawn to.
That's all it is at the end of the day.
Not really, it goes beyond subjective opinion, rather like a persons looks. Sure, it may be said that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but some have more beholders than others, and charisma is no different.
If you take 100 people, 99 of whom find you magnetic and one thinks you're a charmless twat, that doesn't reduce your charisma to a matter of opinion."
I didn't cite opinion as the 'draw'.
We are inexplicably drawn to things we don't actually like , at times.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I always find the subject of charisma fascinating, a persons natural, inherent likeability (or lack thereof), and wondering exactly what it is about those who have it that makes them so irresistible?
Which celebrities do you think have that natural 'it' about them, and which ones do you feel are the opposite?
For me most: Matt Lucas, Simon Pegg
Least: Noel Gallagher, Kanye West"
So you have met them all then to be able to make this 'judgement'?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It Noel Gallagher
Not sure what you see in him, personally ever since I was a kid he's struck me as an absolute blank in terms of anything resembling likeability or personality. Rather like Bono in that respect, although credit where it's due, despite being an absolute wanker the Irishman is actually a pretty good singer."
I find it in his songwriting OP. Where he's locked himself away from the outside world. |
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"It Noel Gallagher
Not sure what you see in him, personally ever since I was a kid he's struck me as an absolute blank in terms of anything resembling likeability or personality. Rather like Bono in that respect, although credit where it's due, despite being an absolute wanker the Irishman is actually a pretty good singer.
I find it in his songwriting OP. Where he's locked himself away from the outside world."
I've always identified with him. More so of late. He's very loving, loyal and poetic.
Tremendous lyrics.
Liam is also charismatic but more awkward emotionally and socially. |
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Charisma isn't likeability necessarily. I also think you can't know if someone has it or not unless you meet them.
For me charisma is something that makes you notice someone even though they are not trying to be noticed. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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That's probably why i don't like it and find it creepy. It often comes across as fake as well, based on my experience of genuine people."
Charisma cannot be faked. You either have it or you don't.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It Noel Gallagher
Not sure what you see in him, personally ever since I was a kid he's struck me as an absolute blank in terms of anything resembling likeability or personality. Rather like Bono in that respect, although credit where it's due, despite being an absolute wanker the Irishman is actually a pretty good singer.
I find it in his songwriting OP. Where he's locked himself away from the outside world.
I've always identified with him. More so of late. He's very loving, loyal and poetic.
Tremendous lyrics.
Liam is also charismatic but more awkward emotionally and socially. "
I thought you meant Bono for a moment  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Believe it or not, studies will tell you that Hitler was one of the most charismatic of people. It's not actually to do with likeability (or so the studies say) - it's about a certain 'presence' about someone - almost hypnotic - and people listen to what they say and believe them - exactly why Milliband failed as Labour leader - he lacked charisma apparently |
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My sister and brother in law got a dog this year. They're not particularly sociable people and he said having a dog was like having instant charisma!
To me, it's confidence, warmth, intelligence, humour and charm. Now charm, that's a subject worthy of it's own thread... |
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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago
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hey, good to see you sexy brain..x
mick jagger has it,
sean connery has it,
johnny depp has it and so does
eddie izzard
women dame judy dench has it,
merryl streep has it
emma watson has it
so does beyonce
imo
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that.
I still don't like it, don't know why not."
With derren brown its probably the fact you know he can reach into your brain and flick switches and you have no control..
Or maybe its the fact that in the face of these people you feel powerless (in a sense) and the loss of control is uncomfortable |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd say Russell Brand."
I'd say you are confusing charisma with an inability to be quiet. Just because he can fill a large space with his ego. Charisma isn't the same thing. |
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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that.
I still don't like it, don't know why not.
With derren brown its probably the fact you know he can reach into your brain and flick switches and you have no control..
Or maybe its the fact that in the face of these people you feel powerless (in a sense) and the loss of control is uncomfortable"
derren brown is an NLP specialist.. thats not charisma and the way he is towards people who are naturally intuitive is arrogant and i cant stand the man..he thinks hes cleverer than everyone else when he knows how to do anchoring and mind games..bleh...not many people i dont like..but hes one of them...  excuse the rant, i feel much better now.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Believe it or not, studies will tell you that Hitler was one of the most charismatic of people. It's not actually to do with likeability (or so the studies say) - it's about a certain 'presence' about someone - almost hypnotic - and people listen to what they say and believe them - exactly why Milliband failed as Labour leader - he lacked charisma apparently "
This...
There were a lot of very intelligent people surrounding Hitler. And he convinced them all to do horrible things to other nations, many of his ideas were completely irrational but they followed him anyway. How does that happen? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that.
I still don't like it, don't know why not.
With derren brown its probably the fact you know he can reach into your brain and flick switches and you have no control..
Or maybe its the fact that in the face of these people you feel powerless (in a sense) and the loss of control is uncomfortable
derren brown is an NLP specialist.. thats not charisma and the way he is towards people who are naturally intuitive is arrogant and i cant stand the man..he thinks hes cleverer than everyone else when he knows how to do anchoring and mind games..bleh...not many people i dont like..but hes one of them... excuse the rant, i feel much better now.. "
ha, that's *very* unlike you! But it's quite arousing!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that.
I still don't like it, don't know why not.
With derren brown its probably the fact you know he can reach into your brain and flick switches and you have no control..
Or maybe its the fact that in the face of these people you feel powerless (in a sense) and the loss of control is uncomfortable"
I'm not a control freak but yeah i don't like being vulnerable to anyone else. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that.
I still don't like it, don't know why not.
With derren brown its probably the fact you know he can reach into your brain and flick switches and you have no control..
Or maybe its the fact that in the face of these people you feel powerless (in a sense) and the loss of control is uncomfortable
derren brown is an NLP specialist.. thats not charisma and the way he is towards people who are naturally intuitive is arrogant and i cant stand the man..he thinks hes cleverer than everyone else when he knows how to do anchoring and mind games..bleh...not many people i dont like..but hes one of them... excuse the rant, i feel much better now.. "
I never said it was charisma. He has a rare skill set that he has honed to an incredible level. I have used NLP as a tool and have seen it used but to nowhere near that level.
It is hard to be working at that level with such a level of interest without having a massive ego to go with it. He just isn't overt with it which may be why he comes across as smug and a bit patronising. |
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trying to take sexuality out of the mix - trevor macdonald has a certain something about him - as does dawn french
keith lemmon i love in juice and has me in fits but i dont find hi charismatic |
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By *uzy444Woman
over a year ago
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that.
I still don't like it, don't know why not.
With derren brown its probably the fact you know he can reach into your brain and flick switches and you have no control..
Or maybe its the fact that in the face of these people you feel powerless (in a sense) and the loss of control is uncomfortable
derren brown is an NLP specialist.. thats not charisma and the way he is towards people who are naturally intuitive is arrogant and i cant stand the man..he thinks hes cleverer than everyone else when he knows how to do anchoring and mind games..bleh...not many people i dont like..but hes one of them... excuse the rant, i feel much better now..
I never said it was charisma. He has a rare skill set that he has honed to an incredible level. I have used NLP as a tool and have seen it used but to nowhere near that level.
It is hard to be working at that level with such a level of interest without having a massive ego to go with it. He just isn't overt with it which may be why he comes across as smug and a bit patronising. "
its not hard at all actually.. but if you say so.
i think hes arrogant with his knowledge..far better ways to present oneself..but maybe that wouldnt give him the money or fame..
i dont find him patronising i actually find him rather ignorant on many levels including not knowing some things about what hes doing..but hey i just thank my lucky stars im not him... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that.
I still don't like it, don't know why not.
With derren brown its probably the fact you know he can reach into your brain and flick switches and you have no control..
Or maybe its the fact that in the face of these people you feel powerless (in a sense) and the loss of control is uncomfortable
derren brown is an NLP specialist.. thats not charisma and the way he is towards people who are naturally intuitive is arrogant and i cant stand the man..he thinks hes cleverer than everyone else when he knows how to do anchoring and mind games..bleh...not many people i dont like..but hes one of them... excuse the rant, i feel much better now..
I never said it was charisma. He has a rare skill set that he has honed to an incredible level. I have used NLP as a tool and have seen it used but to nowhere near that level.
It is hard to be working at that level with such a level of interest without having a massive ego to go with it. He just isn't overt with it which may be why he comes across as smug and a bit patronising.
its not hard at all actually.. but if you say so.
i think hes arrogant with his knowledge..far better ways to present oneself..but maybe that wouldnt give him the money or fame..
i dont find him patronising i actually find him rather ignorant on many levels including not knowing some things about what hes doing..but hey i just thank my lucky stars im not him..."
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"My sister and brother in law got a dog this year. They're not particularly sociable people and he said having a dog was like having instant charisma!
To me, it's confidence, warmth, intelligence, humour and charm. Now charm, that's a subject worthy of it's own thread..."
CHARm and CHARisma ...... any link ? |
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Obama is very natural...
Corbyn in a very different way
David Tennant if a little hyper
Seamus Heaney missed alas
Carey Mulligan understated perfection...
Judi Dench all bumbling loveliness as herself ...
Carol Ann Duffy for turning words into gold ...
The list goes on. In a world full of aching strife, it is good to remember sometimes, the small, priceless pleasures which human beings can bring to one another just from something about their spirit. Charisma. A lovely word for a thing so undefinable. |
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"My sister and brother in law got a dog this year. They're not particularly sociable people and he said having a dog was like having instant charisma!
To me, it's confidence, warmth, intelligence, humour and charm. Now charm, that's a subject worthy of it's own thread...
CHARm and CHARisma ...... any link ?"
Both are rooted in the Greek meaning gift or grace ... Charis .. So yes, very closely linked.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Charisma creeps me the fuck out, Derren Brown has it...
He does, and I think it's something to do with his obvious intelligence paired with his humour and humanity, Professor Brian Cox is another like that."
Urgh. Whilst the former comes off as a cheesy used-car salesman (the antithesis of charisma), the latter is just such a moaney boyish git that he's pretty close to my idea of a walking punch bag |
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Interesting that there are so many conflicting opinions on who's charismatic. I'd suggest that's because we know someone charismatic when we meet them... but charisma doesn't translate onto TV, film, or radio. I think real charisma is just about energetic resonance. A few years back I went round a mates house and a couple he knew were there... when she walked in the friggin electricity was bouncing off the walls between us. She was utterly entrancing. I could've stared at her till the cows came home... and it wasn't to do with looks... it was just something energetic between us. That's what I think of when I think of charisma. |
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"Interesting that there are so many conflicting opinions on who's charismatic. I'd suggest that's because we know someone charismatic when we meet them... but charisma doesn't translate onto TV, film, or radio. I think real charisma is just about energetic resonance. A few years back I went round a mates house and a couple he knew were there... when she walked in the friggin electricity was bouncing off the walls between us. She was utterly entrancing. I could've stared at her till the cows came home... and it wasn't to do with looks... it was just something energetic between us. That's what I think of when I think of charisma."
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One of the guys who has taught me martial arts has incredible charisma...His mere presence in a a room makes everybody put in an extra 20% instantly. Without even speaking. His passion for his art is infectious and it is just so positive and lifting its almost spiritual.. |
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someone told me that even tho im an ugly fat fucker i had ooodles of charisma ,,,,, im not sure if that was a compliment or not ,,,,,, any one want to swop me my charisma for there good looks for a day so i could see what its like to be blighted by good looks |
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Hairy Bikers ?? Aren't they both Geordies ?"
Nooooooooo Gwanny....... Dave the distinctly more affable one and possessor of the receding hairline, is from Cumbria.....
The plastic geordie however, is so devoid of natural character he's taken to calling himself "Si" instead of Simon..
Which proves my point beyond all doubt....
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"So what's gravitas and how does it differ from charisma..? "
gravitas tends to be more serious I think, though very similar. Still about 12 points difference in scrabble. .
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Hairy Bikers ?? Aren't they both Geordies ?
Nooooooooo Gwanny....... Dave the distinctly more affable one and possessor of the receding hairline, is from Cumbria.....
The plastic geordie however, is so devoid of natural character he's taken to calling himself "Si" instead of Simon..
Which proves my point beyond all doubt....
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Bugger me and blow me down ........ I always thought the little fella was a Geordie. |
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"So what's gravitas and how does it differ from charisma..? gravitas tends to be more serious I think, though very similar. Still about 12 points difference in scrabble. ."
Authoritative charisma = Gravitas |
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