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I've enjoyed watching all the different docs over the years investigating whether this actually happened or not... and where, if anywhere the ark is. What do you lot recon? Are you all in i.e. animals two by two, waters enveloping the Earth, etc? Do you think it happened on a more limited scale? Or do you simply write it all off as fiction?
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"I've enjoyed watching all the different docs over the years investigating whether this actually happened or not... and where, if anywhere the ark is. What do you lot recon? Are you all in i.e. animals two by two, waters enveloping the Earth, etc? Do you think it happened on a more limited scale? Or do you simply write it all off as fiction?
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Of course it's fiction and it's a piece of fiction that almost everyone gets wrong, even clergymen.
The animals went in seven by seven except the unclean. They went in two by two. |
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Saw a documentary on this a couple of years ago, they said it was due to an earthquake which broke a land barrier and released copious amounts of water from a lake which now forms the Caspian & Black sea. I tend to go along with that theology  |
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i really dont think anyone with the intelligence above that of a border collie believes animals got on a boat to escape a flood.
two polar bears walking from the north pole to the middle east??
not a chance |
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I've always assumed it was largely allegorical, (like much of Genesis) but I too saw your the documentary AceW mentioned and thought it fascinating.
Didn't it ultimately originate in ancient Sumerian texts?
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"Saw a documentary on this a couple of years ago, they said it was due to an earthquake which broke a land barrier and released copious amounts of water from a lake which now forms the Caspian & Black sea. I tend to go along with that theology "
I think I seen the same one |
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"I've always assumed it was largely allegorical, (like much of Genesis) but I too saw your the documentary AceW mentioned and thought it fascinating.
Didn't it ultimately originate in ancient Sumerian texts?
Mr ddc"
There is also mention of a great flood in ancient chinese records. |
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"I've always assumed it was largely allegorical, (like much of Genesis) but I too saw your the documentary AceW mentioned and thought it fascinating.
Didn't it ultimately originate in ancient Sumerian texts?
Mr ddc"
Yeah I think it's Gilgamesh isn't it? I saw the same doc too and it seemed like a plausible idea. I wonder though whether its a much more ancient story recalling an unusually huge flood... lets say the filling of the mediterranean or something.
As for the ark? Hmmm I'd like to imagine its sat on Mount Arrarat... just because I'd love to see that episode of Time Team lol... but I suspect it might not have existed... at least not in the Russell Crowe kind of way  |
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"I've always assumed it was largely allegorical, (like much of Genesis) but I too saw your the documentary AceW mentioned and thought it fascinating.
Didn't it ultimately originate in ancient Sumerian texts?
Mr ddc
Yeah I think it's Gilgamesh isn't it? I saw the same doc too and it seemed like a plausible idea. I wonder though whether its a much more ancient story recalling an unusually huge flood... lets say the filling of the mediterranean or something.
As for the ark? Hmmm I'd like to imagine its sat on Mount Arrarat... just because I'd love to see that episode of Time Team lol... but I suspect it might not have existed... at least not in the Russell Crowe kind of way "
There are also places where fossils show an unusually large number of animals all congragated together, like they all went to the high ground (like you would do to avoid flood waters). I saw a documentary on this on youtube years ago but i can't remember what is was called?  |
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As with probably most of the stories and parables in the old and new testament they are nicked from more ancient folklore and bastadised for Christianity! |
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"I've enjoyed watching all the different docs over the years investigating whether this actually happened or not... and where, if anywhere the ark is. What do you lot recon? Are you all in i.e. animals two by two, waters enveloping the Earth, etc? Do you think it happened on a more limited scale? Or do you simply write it all off as fiction?
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It's the ain't memory of the med breaking into the black Sea area 7k years ago. |
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It's likely that the Genesis account was first written down by the Hebrew exiles when they were in Babylon. Many of the Genesis stories are very similar to those in Babylonian literature, namely the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Enuma Elish. I think the interesting question is not whether they are based on historical events (almost certainly not) but in what way, and for what purpose have the stories been adapted and retold. |
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It didn't happen. We've got excellent geological and archaeological records going back long before our species existed.
And the concept of a boat with all animals in recent years is nonsense. There wasn't a flood that covered the world in the last few thousand years. Mind control nonsense. |
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From wiki...
Utnapishtim is a character in the epic of Gilgamesh who is tasked by Enki (Ea) to abandon his worldly possessions and create a giant ship to be called The Preserver of Life. He was also tasked with bringing his wife, family, and relatives along with the craftsmen of his village, baby animals and grains. The oncoming flood would wipe out all animals and humans that were not on the ship. After twelve days on the water, Utnapishtim opened the hatch of his ship to look around and saw the slopes of Mount Nisir, where he rested his ship for seven days. On the seventh day, he sent a dove out to see if the water had receded, and the dove could find nothing but water, so it returned. Then he sent out a swallow, and just as before, it returned, having found nothing. Finally, Utnapishtim sent out a raven, and the raven saw that the waters had receded, so it circled around, but did not return. Utnapishtim then set all the animals free, and made a sacrifice to the gods. The gods came, and because he had preserved the seed of man while remaining loyal and trusting of his gods, Utnapishtim and his wife were given immortality, as well as a place among the heavenly gods. |
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"I really can't see penguins walking from the Antarctic to the middle east to get on a boat
Hey Penguins are hardcore don't ya know"
Penguins wouldn't need to get on a boat they can swim quite well, lol.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The bible really seems to have a hard on for incest though"
have you noticed the 10 commandments fail to say though shall not commit genocide
the christians of old loved a bit of mass murder
also though shall not fuck young boys
well the catholics are still well at it. |
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"The bible really seems to have a hard on for incest though
have you noticed the 10 commandments fail to say though shall not commit genocide
the christians of old loved a bit of mass murder
also though shall not fuck young boys
well the catholics are still well at it."
I belive genocide would be covered by thousands shall not kill? |
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