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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" No, I'd prefer they had life long imprisonment. | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person?" Check the Taser thread mate. And the green arrow for that matter | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person?" in the mind of the average advocate of the death penalty there is never an occasion whereby that will happen, or where one of their own may be about to face the drop.. its only ever the really bad ones.. | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" Timewasters Anyone who likes Justin Bieber BMW drivers People who are cruel to animals Litter bugs | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person? Check the Taser thread mate. And the green arrow for that matter " Thanks for seeing the link. Others are presupposing my support of the death penalty. Guessing you didn't | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" Is the death penalty a proven deterrent? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person? Check the Taser thread mate. And the green arrow for that matter Thanks for seeing the link. Others are presupposing my support of the death penalty. Guessing you didn't " Nope just your inflammatory passive aggressive trolling. Good work. | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? Is the death penalty a proven deterrent? " Well in a way yes, as the said offender doesn't commit a crime again! | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? Is the death penalty a proven deterrent? Well in a way yes, as the said offender doesn't commit a crime again! " A life sentence would achieve the same result. And they still have been found guilty of the crime So I;m confused that you say that in a way it is a deterrent? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person?" Would you not advocate its use for the likes of Hindley, Brady, the Wests et al? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" What crimes do you believe deserve the death penalty OP ? And how would you suggest it's done ? Beheaded,lethal injection, firing squad,Starved or public stoning ? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you? "Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes.... | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person? Would you not advocate its use for the likes of Hindley, Brady, the Wests et al?" Do you think the death penalty would have stopped any of those ? I don't. | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? What crimes do you believe deserve the death penalty OP ? And how would you suggest it's done ? Beheaded,lethal injection, firing squad,Starved or public stoning ?" There is in law a test: guilt has to be proven beyond a *reasonable* doubt. What about a further test? Guilt beyond *any* doubt? That way the Wests would have been executed. Bodies under your house and garden proves guilt beyond any doubt. As for method, lethal injection, as it's the most humane method | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person? Would you not advocate its use for the likes of Hindley, Brady, the Wests et al? Do you think the death penalty would have stopped any of those ? I don't." Would have given closure to the families. They were haunted by the continual press coverage of Hindley's attempts to get released. Have you ever seen footage of Ann West or Winnie Johnson? Emotionally crippled, not only by the deaths of their children but also the number of apologist for Hindley | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? What crimes do you believe deserve the death penalty OP ? And how would you suggest it's done ? Beheaded,lethal injection, firing squad,Starved or public stoning ? There is in law a test: guilt has to be proven beyond a *reasonable* doubt. What about a further test? Guilt beyond *any* doubt? That way the Wests would have been executed. Bodies under your house and garden proves guilt beyond any doubt. As for method, lethal injection, as it's the most humane method" Most people wouldn't argue about the ONE case you've picked.But what about the thousands of others that pass through the courts each year ? Oscar Pistorius.Should he be on death row ? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" I can't say I'm a big fan of the death penalty. Sure it wouldn't be any great loss to humanity and I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over it, if some murderer's and rapist's etc were no longer with us. But the thought of one set of humans having the ability to legally murder another human being doesn't sit too well with me. Plus there's the cases where innocent people have been executed as well. I would rather they locked the worst criminals up for life. And by that I really mean 'the rest of their lives' with no chance of parole. | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" OK bring it back but under these rules the next of kin of the murdered individual decide on whether its death or life behind bars one year after the trail. That one year is cooling down period if after one year they want the death sentence for the person or persons who took their love ones life so be it . Let the victim family decide after guilt has been proven . | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? What crimes do you believe deserve the death penalty OP ? And how would you suggest it's done ? Beheaded,lethal injection, firing squad,Starved or public stoning ? There is in law a test: guilt has to be proven beyond a *reasonable* doubt. What about a further test? Guilt beyond *any* doubt? That way the Wests would have been executed. Bodies under your house and garden proves guilt beyond any doubt. As for method, lethal injection, as it's the most humane method" How does a body under your house prove guilt without any doubt? I hope you never do jury service | |||
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"Or what about The Mccanns ? depending on how some people think they also could be on death row(even though nobody knows what really happened) " As they've never been charged with any offence let alone found guilty how could they be on death row?  | |||
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"Or what about The Mccanns ? depending on how some people think they also could be on death row(even though nobody knows what really happened) " But they're not. So why mention them? More to the point:- What would you do with the Wests? Hindley? Brady? Dennis Nielsen? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes...."Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread? | |||
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"Or what about The Mccanns ? depending on how some people think they also could be on death row(even though nobody knows what really happened) But they're not. So why mention them? More to the point:- What would you do with the Wests? Hindley? Brady? Dennis Nielsen? " Brady is detained under the mental health act. What are you suggesting be done with him? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? What crimes do you believe deserve the death penalty OP ? And how would you suggest it's done ? Beheaded,lethal injection, firing squad,Starved or public stoning ? There is in law a test: guilt has to be proven beyond a *reasonable* doubt. What about a further test? Guilt beyond *any* doubt? That way the Wests would have been executed. Bodies under your house and garden proves guilt beyond any doubt. As for method, lethal injection, as it's the most humane method Most people wouldn't argue about the ONE case you've picked.But what about the thousands of others that pass through the courts each year ? Oscar Pistorius.Should he be on death row ?" What about Michael Adebowale and Michael Adebolajo, the killers of Lee Rugby. No doubt at all there either they were caught on camera commiting their evil act. Should taxpayers money be spent keeping them alive in prison? Oscar pistorious was found guilty of manslaughter not murder wasn't he? There is a difference between the 2. | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? What crimes do you believe deserve the death penalty OP ? And how would you suggest it's done ? Beheaded,lethal injection, firing squad,Starved or public stoning ? There is in law a test: guilt has to be proven beyond a *reasonable* doubt. What about a further test? Guilt beyond *any* doubt? That way the Wests would have been executed. Bodies under your house and garden proves guilt beyond any doubt. As for method, lethal injection, as it's the most humane method How does a body under your house prove guilt without any doubt? I hope you never do jury service "Sorry. I assumed you knew Fred West did the work under which the bodies were buried and it was his house. One victim was his 16 year old daughter. Still maintain he is innocent???? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? What crimes do you believe deserve the death penalty OP ? And how would you suggest it's done ? Beheaded,lethal injection, firing squad,Starved or public stoning ? There is in law a test: guilt has to be proven beyond a *reasonable* doubt. What about a further test? Guilt beyond *any* doubt? That way the Wests would have been executed. Bodies under your house and garden proves guilt beyond any doubt. As for method, lethal injection, as it's the most humane method Most people wouldn't argue about the ONE case you've picked.But what about the thousands of others that pass through the courts each year ? Oscar Pistorius.Should he be on death row ? What about Michael Adebowale and Michael Adebolajo, the killers of Lee Rugby. No doubt at all there either they were caught on camera commiting their evil act. Should taxpayers money be spent keeping them alive in prison? Oscar pistorious was found guilty of manslaughter not murder wasn't he? There is a difference between the 2. "  | |||
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"I'm for it under special circumstances where the offenders guilt has been proven beyond doubt." | |||
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"Or what about The Mccanns ? depending on how some people think they also could be on death row(even though nobody knows what really happened) But they're not. So why mention them? More to the point:- What would you do with the Wests? Hindley? Brady? Dennis Nielsen? Brady is detained under the mental health act. What are you suggesting be done with him?" He wants to die. Let him | |||
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"It works so well in other countries as a deterrent... "American gun massacres?? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
"Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation | |||
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"I'm for it under special circumstances where the offenders guilt has been proven beyond doubt." the cardiff three's case was "proved beyond doubt" at the time ..... turns out it wasn't them at all .... and there's plenty more cases such as this .... you're idea is un-workable | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? What crimes do you believe deserve the death penalty OP ? And how would you suggest it's done ? Beheaded,lethal injection, firing squad,Starved or public stoning ? There is in law a test: guilt has to be proven beyond a *reasonable* doubt. What about a further test? Guilt beyond *any* doubt? That way the Wests would have been executed. Bodies under your house and garden proves guilt beyond any doubt. As for method, lethal injection, as it's the most humane method How does a body under your house prove guilt without any doubt? I hope you never do jury service
Sorry. I assumed you knew Fred West did the work under which the bodies were buried and it was his house. One victim was his 16 year old daughter. Still maintain he is innocent????"Where on earth did I say he was innocent!
I was merely pointing out that citing that as example of your theory of proving 'guilt beyond any doubt" was ridiculously weak. | |||
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"It works so well in other countries as a deterrent...
American gun massacres??"A common theme with the gun massacres in America is the perpetrators usually end up turning the gun on themselves or the police end up shooting and killing them. They often don't end up making it to court to face trial. | |||
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"As a Christian I am against it. The fundamental of Christianity is that only God can pass final judgement and that everyone who sins has the chance to atone for it and seek forgiveness. The death penalty removes this opportunity." Does Christianity makes u a good and better Swinger too? Just saying when religion name is brought up  | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person? Check the Taser thread mate. And the green arrow for that matter Thanks for seeing the link. Others are presupposing my support of the death penalty. Guessing you didn't Nope just your inflammatory passive aggressive trolling. Good work. " Please explain. Is playing devil's advocate trolling, being passive aggressive? Please explain | |||
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"No, never. Firstly before comitting state sanctioned murder, one has to be 100% certain that the target is the culprit, which is not currently possible (and I am not sure I would really want to live in a society where it was possible anyway.) Secondly, assuming the above, terminating someones life is far too quick a punishment for any crime that could justify such action. " Good point but it can be argued any life no matter how wretched is better than no life at all . Is being locked up receiving fan mail in the case of serial killers really that bad of a thing compared with non existence. By the way don't read into my posts I'm for the death sentence I believe only someone effected by murder can truly have a opinion on it because I have no idea what having a love one of mine murdered would do o be . But I suspect vengeance would be high on my list especial if it was premeditated and my love one suffered greatly before they where killed . | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation "So you are oin favour of it then. And my assumption that you are in faavour of it was spot on. So where on earth are you going with this 'shouldn;t assume' argument? So care to explain why we need to introduce but you have criticised muslim countries/IS for their use of it as an example of how evil they are? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
So you are oin favour of it then. And my assumption that you are in faavour of it was spot on.
So where on earth are you going with this 'shouldn;t assume' argument?
So care to explain why we need to introduce but you have criticised muslim countries/IS for their use of it as an example of how evil they are?"I do support it for the likes of Hindley and Brady raping and murdering children. I don't support beheading aid workers trying to help people, or beheading an antiquities expert in his 80s in Syria or burning a pilot to death in a cage, all of which ISIS have done. Surely you can see the difference? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation "look up the Stefan Kiszko case.. he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent.. if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven.. | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
So you are oin favour of it then. And my assumption that you are in faavour of it was spot on.
So where on earth are you going with this 'shouldn;t assume' argument?
So care to explain why we need to introduce but you have criticised muslim countries/IS for their use of it as an example of how evil they are?
I do support it for the likes of Hindley and Brady raping and murdering children.
I don't support beheading aid workers trying to help people, or beheading an antiquities expert in his 80s in Syria or burning a pilot to death in a cage, all of which ISIS have done.
Surely you can see the difference? "The only difference I see is that you feel that it is okay for you to be a self appointed judge jury and executor but are disgusted that others may want the same rights as they have a very different moral compass to you as to what is deemed punishable by death. | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" Child abuse! | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
"stefan kiszko ..... probably the worst miscarriage of justice in the UK ..... it was such a sad scene watching the news report on the day of his release .... the trauma he suffered at the hands of the prison service was truely disgusting. | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
"And it was this quote I have been waiting to hear. Yes, that idea is a cornerstone to the British law. Now read the Taser thread. Apparently there's a one percent chance you will die. And that's ok, apparently | |||
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"As a Christian I am against it. Does Christianity makes u a good and better Swinger too? Just saying when religion name is brought up "I just like to think that I'm almost a good person. I don't see sex as something to be ashamed of or as a particularly sinful act (if done for the right reasons and intentions). As a single man I don't/can't regard myself as a swinger and I wouldn't as I don't like to attach too many labels. I just do what I think is right at any point in time and hope for the best. | |||
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"No, never. Firstly before comitting state sanctioned murder, one has to be 100% certain that the target is the culprit, which is not currently possible (and I am not sure I would really want to live in a society where it was possible anyway.) Secondly, assuming the above, terminating someones life is far too quick a punishment for any crime that could justify such action. Good point but it can be argued any life no matter how wretched is better than no life at all . Is being locked up receiving fan mail in the case of serial killers really that bad of a thing compared with non existence. By the way don't read into my posts I'm for the death sentence I believe only someone effected by murder can truly have a opinion on it because I have no idea what having a love one of mine murdered would do o be . But I suspect vengeance would be high on my list especial if it was premeditated and my love one suffered greatly before they where killed ." . That's exactly why we don't let victims determine punishment! It's a one way street downwards, society gets dragged down by barbarism be it by individuals or the state, victims should be given help to get over their problems not made to have more physiological problems of whether their attacker gets murdered or not heaped on them! We had it, we evolved past it for bloody good reasons, we should be quite rightly pushing for other countries to do the same! | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
"I know the case and I have never said it should be used on him. He wasn't proven guilty beyond any doubt, though there would have been mitigation if he had been guilty (his low IQ). Thankfully he was later cleared At no point have I suggested he and his like should be | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
I know the case and I have never said it should be used on him. He wasn't proven guilty beyond any doubt, though there would have been mitigation if he had been guilty (his low IQ).
Thankfully he was later cleared
At no point have I suggested he and his like should be"So who should and on what criteria? Can you expand on what constitutes 'beyond any doubt'? Why are Hindlay Brady and Nielson (they are other examples you've cited) guilty beyond any doubt? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation "Who decides what constitutes an extreme case? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
So you are oin favour of it then. And my assumption that you are in faavour of it was spot on.
So where on earth are you going with this 'shouldn;t assume' argument?
So care to explain why we need to introduce but you have criticised muslim countries/IS for their use of it as an example of how evil they are?
I do support it for the likes of Hindley and Brady raping and murdering children.
I don't support beheading aid workers trying to help people, or beheading an antiquities expert in his 80s in Syria or burning a pilot to death in a cage, all of which ISIS have done.
Surely you can see the difference?
The only difference I see is that you feel that it is okay for you to be a self appointed judge jury and executor but are disgusted that others may want the same rights as they have a very different moral compass to you as to what is deemed punishable by death."And I'm sad that you can't see that, in extreme cases, the death penalty should be an option: take Ian Huntly. I can't see any good reason to keep him alive. He could escape and reoffend - it's happened - he could very well be killed savagely in prison - it happens - or he could kill another inmate or member of staff - it has happened. There's no connection with wanting a death penalty for the worst murderers in Britain - in humane conditions - and what IS are doing, e.g., beheading innocent aid workers. I don't care for your comment that I am self appointed judge, jury and executioner. I'm not. I just highlighted the worst cases and laid it open for discussion. So why not try to debate and show me why having no death penalty is better than executing the very worst killers in our society? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
I know the case and I have never said it should be used on him. He wasn't proven guilty beyond any doubt, though there would have been mitigation if he had been guilty (his low IQ).
Thankfully he was later cleared
At no point have I suggested he and his like should be"actually at the time of his trial and in the eyes of the jury he was convicted beyond all reasonable doubt. he couldn't have been given a custodial scentence otherwise | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" Absolutely beyond doubt then yes death penalty lethal injection Murder Terrorism Rape of children They deserve it !!! People who say no to it soon change their tune if something happens to their loved ones I'd imagine.  | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
Who decides what constitutes an extreme case?
"The judge and jury in the first case, having heard all the evidence, followed by an over_iew by the Law lords and finally the Home Secretary making a recommendation to the PM | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
I know the case and I have never said it should be used on him. He wasn't proven guilty beyond any doubt, though there would have been mitigation if he had been guilty (his low IQ).
Thankfully he was later cleared
At no point have I suggested he and his like should be
So who should and on what criteria?
Can you expand on what constitutes 'beyond any doubt'? Why are Hindlay Brady and Nielson (they are other examples you've cited) guilty beyond any doubt?
"Lee Rigbys killers were caught on camera doing what they did. How can any doubt be applied to them? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
So you are oin favour of it then. And my assumption that you are in faavour of it was spot on.
So where on earth are you going with this 'shouldn;t assume' argument?
So care to explain why we need to introduce but you have criticised muslim countries/IS for their use of it as an example of how evil they are?
I do support it for the likes of Hindley and Brady raping and murdering children.
I don't support beheading aid workers trying to help people, or beheading an antiquities expert in his 80s in Syria or burning a pilot to death in a cage, all of which ISIS have done.
Surely you can see the difference?
The only difference I see is that you feel that it is okay for you to be a self appointed judge jury and executor but are disgusted that others may want the same rights as they have a very different moral compass to you as to what is deemed punishable by death.
And I'm sad that you can't see that, in extreme cases, the death penalty should be an option: take Ian Huntly. I can't see any good reason to keep him alive. He could escape and reoffend - it's happened - he could very well be killed savagely in prison - it happens - or he could kill another inmate or member of staff - it has happened.
There's no connection with wanting a death penalty for the worst murderers in Britain - in humane conditions - and what IS are doing, e.g., beheading innocent aid workers.
I don't care for your comment that I am self appointed judge, jury and executioner. I'm not. I just highlighted the worst cases and laid it open for discussion.
So why not try to debate and show me why having no death penalty is better than executing the very worst killers in our society? "Your own argument has changed in this very thread from 'guilty without any doubt' to 'most extreme cases'. The most extreme cases being the ones that disgust you, namely child killers. So what about murderers, more specifically those convicted of a racist crime? Do they fall in to your most extreme case scenario? As for a debate, are you suggesting questioning your _iew (my opening post made my opinion pretty clear) is not a debate? | |||
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"No, never. Firstly before comitting state sanctioned murder, one has to be 100% certain that the target is the culprit, which is not currently possible (and I am not sure I would really want to live in a society where it was possible anyway.) Secondly, assuming the above, terminating someones life is far too quick a punishment for any crime that could justify such action. Good point but it can be argued any life no matter how wretched is better than no life at all . Is being locked up receiving fan mail in the case of serial killers really that bad of a thing compared with non existence. By the way don't read into my posts I'm for the death sentence I believe only someone effected by murder can truly have a opinion on it because I have no idea what having a love one of mine murdered would do o be . But I suspect vengeance would be high on my list especial if it was premeditated and my love one suffered greatly before they where killed .. That's exactly why we don't let victims determine punishment! It's a one way street downwards, society gets dragged down by barbarism be it by individuals or the state, victims should be given help to get over their problems not made to have more physiological problems of whether their attacker gets murdered or not heaped on them! We had it, we evolved past it for bloody good reasons, we should be quite rightly pushing for other countries to do the same!" You see that where we differ in our out looks I think only those who have suffered have the right to determine the punishment . how do i know what its like to wake up every day knowing your love one suffered greatly at the hands of a vile evil person before they were killed . would I have the strength to forgive enough to get on with me life content in the knowledge the person who did the crime was locked up unable to hurt anyone else or would the knowledge they still get to feel the sun on their face enjoy a meal watch TV read and enjoy a book all the thing the love one of mine will never enjoy again because they were murder. drive me mad ruin my life in the process and would vengeance give me peace a ending I could live with,. Who can know but I'm not afraid to say I suspect I'm the kind of person who would seek vengeance for one very selfish reason I suspect knowing the vile evil person who took my loves life is dead would give me peace . Hopefully its something I will never have to find out about myself as a human being . | |||
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"There's no connection with wanting a death penalty for the worst murderers in Britain - in humane conditions - and what IS are doing, e.g., beheading innocent aid workers. " So ho you execute someone on humane conditions? Which one would you choose? Electrocution? Lethal injection? Hanging? All pretty barbaric with examples of it going wrong leading to extreme suffering | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives" Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
I know the case and I have never said it should be used on him. He wasn't proven guilty beyond any doubt, though there would have been mitigation if he had been guilty (his low IQ).
Thankfully he was later cleared
At no point have I suggested he and his like should be
So who should and on what criteria?
Can you expand on what constitutes 'beyond any doubt'? Why are Hindlay Brady and Nielson (they are other examples you've cited) guilty beyond any doubt?
Lee Rigbys killers were caught on camera doing what they did. How can any doubt be applied to them? "It can't. Of course it ods possible to be guilty beyond any doubt. But those circumstances are very unusual. If someone is going to advocate the death sentence for those giuilty beyond any doubt then it follows they should be able to quantify what constitutes that in broader terms | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
I know the case and I have never said it should be used on him. He wasn't proven guilty beyond any doubt, though there would have been mitigation if he had been guilty (his low IQ).
Thankfully he was later cleared
At no point have I suggested he and his like should be
So who should and on what criteria?
Can you expand on what constitutes 'beyond any doubt'? Why are Hindlay Brady and Nielson (they are other examples you've cited) guilty beyond any doubt?
"Study the case and you will know. Timothy Evans' body was in their house when the police arrested them. Lesley Anne Downey's voice was on a tape pleading for her life. Brady and Hindleys voices were on the tape telling her to shut up. The full details of what was said on tape where so horrific that they have never been released. Pictures of Brady and Hindley were found. Where they stood graves of children were found. I reckon that's guilt beyond doubt | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife " Do you honestly beleieve that? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person?" can I ask a question,,,, if a convicted murderer gets life but only serves 20 years and comes out and kills again. what would you say to the victims family. | |||
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"Works great in America. Nobody ever kills anybody there." That's the best example of how the death penalty is not a deterrent. | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
I know the case and I have never said it should be used on him. He wasn't proven guilty beyond any doubt, though there would have been mitigation if he had been guilty (his low IQ).
Thankfully he was later cleared
At no point have I suggested he and his like should be
So who should and on what criteria?
Can you expand on what constitutes 'beyond any doubt'? Why are Hindlay Brady and Nielson (they are other examples you've cited) guilty beyond any doubt?
Lee Rigbys killers were caught on camera doing what they did. How can any doubt be applied to them?
It can't. Of course it ods possible to be guilty beyond any doubt. But those circumstances are very unusual. If someone is going to advocate the death sentence for those giuilty beyond any doubt then it follows they should be able to quantify what constitutes that in broader terms"Simple. Where there's no doubt. No doubt about Hindley, Brady, the killers of Lee Rigby, Fred West. Execute them What would you do with them? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" For those who society will never release to start with. | |||
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"So why not try to debate and show me why having no death penalty is better than executing the very worst killers in our society? " timothy evans robert green henry berry lawrence hill donna anthony sally clark boys err burrill mahmood hussein mattan angela cannings michael shirley victor neaton andrew evans sion jenkins winston silcott william herbert wallace derek bentley stephen downing judith ward sean hodgson paul blackburn michael o'brian barry george suzanne holdsworth barri white eddie gilfoyle sam hallam oscar slater steven miller tony paris yusef abdullahi wayne darvell paul darvell "birmingham 6" "bridgewater 4" "guildford 4" "maguire 7" etc. etc. etc. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly in the Old days Rapists and Kiddy fiddlers were fair game in Prison and used to take abuse daily. Those days are long gone,and they now have a segregation wing for them all and can't be got at. Which I do find a bit odd." Not true. Have you worked in a prison? | |||
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"Works great in America. Nobody ever kills anybody there. That's the best example of how the death penalty is not a deterrent. " But you could argue prison isn't a deterrent either,,,not sure what this proves/disproves? | |||
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"Works great in America. Nobody ever kills anybody there. That's the best example of how the death penalty is not a deterrent. " it might not deter every one. but it must deter some. must. | |||
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"So why not try to debate and show me why having no death penalty is better than executing the very worst killers in our society? timothy evans robert green henry berry lawrence hill donna anthony sally clark boys err burrill mahmood hussein mattan angela cannings michael shirley victor neaton andrew evans sion jenkins winston silcott william herbert wallace derek bentley stephen downing judith ward sean hodgson paul blackburn michael o'brian barry george suzanne holdsworth barri white eddie gilfoyle sam hallam oscar slater steven miller tony paris yusef abdullahi wayne darvell paul darvell "birmingham 6" "bridgewater 4" "guildford 4" "maguire 7" etc. etc. etc. " None of whom were guilty without any doubt Most were fitted up by the police | |||
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"Works great in America. Nobody ever kills anybody there. That's the best example of how the death penalty is not a deterrent. But you could argue prison isn't a deterrent either,,,not sure what this proves/disproves? " It proves that bringing it back wouldn't be a deterrent, but we need to do something with them so keep things as they are. | |||
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"So why not try to debate and show me why having no death penalty is better than executing the very worst killers in our society? timothy evans robert green henry berry lawrence hill donna anthony sally clark boys err burrill mahmood hussein mattan angela cannings michael shirley victor neaton andrew evans sion jenkins winston silcott william herbert wallace derek bentley stephen downing judith ward sean hodgson paul blackburn michael o'brian barry george suzanne holdsworth barri white eddie gilfoyle sam hallam oscar slater steven miller tony paris yusef abdullahi wayne darvell paul darvell "birmingham 6" "bridgewater 4" "guildford 4" "maguire 7" etc. etc. etc. None of whom were guilty without any doubt Most were fitted up by the police " Was that known at the time they were convicted? | |||
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"OP I am assuming that you are in favour of the death sentence? The death sentence is barbbaric and favoured by people who confuse justice with vengeance. Much like IS, which is ironic considering elsewhere this morning you have criticised IS for the way they treat criminals? You are quite confused aren;t you?
Why are you assuming? You know what they say about don't assume, it makes....
Well I'm assuming based on the wording of your post. And this is confirmed by your subsequent contributions on this thread?
Well you shouldn't assume. I advocate its use but only in the most extreme cases and where there are no doubts and no mitigation
look up the Stefan Kiszko case..
he would using your thinking have been murdered by the state based on him being totally innocent..
if its a case of killing just one innocent person then the risk is too high even if the ones where the guilt is proven..
I know the case and I have never said it should be used on him. He wasn't proven guilty beyond any doubt, though there would have been mitigation if he had been guilty (his low IQ).
Thankfully he was later cleared
At no point have I suggested he and his like should be
So who should and on what criteria?
Can you expand on what constitutes 'beyond any doubt'? Why are Hindlay Brady and Nielson (they are other examples you've cited) guilty beyond any doubt?
Lee Rigbys killers were caught on camera doing what they did. How can any doubt be applied to them?
It can't. Of course it ods possible to be guilty beyond any doubt. But those circumstances are very unusual. If someone is going to advocate the death sentence for those giuilty beyond any doubt then it follows they should be able to quantify what constitutes that in broader terms
Simple. Where there's no doubt. No doubt about Hindley, Brady, the killers of Lee Rigby, Fred West. Execute them
What would you do with them?"As I;ve said before Brady is detained under the mental health act. To advocate the deathn= of someone in those circumstances regardless of crime is pretty sick. And yoi=u have ignored the previous question as to why you think it is okay. As for the others, what part of their sentences do you feel were or are inadequate? Again I ask what would the death sentence actually achieve? Surely if you advocate it you can justify it? It doesn't act as a deterrent, it is proven in America to not make financial sense. So what benefit would it bring to our society? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly in the Old days Rapists and Kiddy fiddlers were fair game in Prison and used to take abuse daily. Those days are long gone,and they now have a segregation wing for them all and can't be got at. Which I do find a bit odd. Not true. Have you worked in a prison?" No I haven't worked in a Prison,but I can assure you I know. | |||
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"So why not try to debate and show me why having no death penalty is better than executing the very worst killers in our society? timothy evans robert green henry berry lawrence hill donna anthony sally clark boys err burrill mahmood hussein mattan angela cannings michael shirley victor neaton andrew evans sion jenkins winston silcott william herbert wallace derek bentley stephen downing judith ward sean hodgson paul blackburn michael o'brian barry george suzanne holdsworth barri white eddie gilfoyle sam hallam oscar slater steven miller tony paris yusef abdullahi wayne darvell paul darvell "birmingham 6" "bridgewater 4" "guildford 4" "maguire 7" etc. etc. etc. None of whom were guilty without any doubt Most were fitted up by the police " at the time of conviction all of them were guilty without doubt. as said previously, it's not possible for them to have been given custodial scentences otherwise | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly in the Old days Rapists and Kiddy fiddlers were fair game in Prison and used to take abuse daily. Those days are long gone,and they now have a segregation wing for them all and can't be got at. Which I do find a bit odd. Not true. Have you worked in a prison? No I haven't worked in a Prison,but I can assure you I know." Have you been imprisoned? | |||
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"So why not try to debate and show me why having no death penalty is better than executing the very worst killers in our society? timothy evans robert green henry berry lawrence hill donna anthony sally clark boys err burrill mahmood hussein mattan angela cannings michael shirley victor neaton andrew evans sion jenkins winston silcott william herbert wallace derek bentley stephen downing judith ward sean hodgson paul blackburn michael o'brian barry george suzanne holdsworth barri white eddie gilfoyle sam hallam oscar slater steven miller tony paris yusef abdullahi wayne darvell paul darvell "birmingham 6" "bridgewater 4" "guildford 4" "maguire 7" etc. etc. etc. None of whom were guilty without any doubt Most were fitted up by the police " So if you accept that someone can be fitted up by the police does it not follow that they could be fitted up beyond any doubt? | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences? can i ask a question..... if you to reintroduce the death penalty OP... and you killed someone, and that person was later found to be innocent.... what would you say to the family of that person?" and that's is why it wouldn't work. | |||
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"Death penalty is an easy way out, but prison is an easy ride. Make prison more of a punishment I'd say, they receive toomany luxuries " How is it an easy ride? | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly in the Old days Rapists and Kiddy fiddlers were fair game in Prison and used to take abuse daily. Those days are long gone,and they now have a segregation wing for them all and can't be got at. Which I do find a bit odd. Not true. Have you worked in a prison? No I haven't worked in a Prison,but I can assure you I know." Well I have and know differently | |||
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"How about we introduce the right to demand trial by combat " My chainmail is off being resewn and my shield needs recovered but I'm on a budget. | |||
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"I'm for it under special circumstances where the offenders guilt has been proven beyond doubt. the cardiff three's case was "proved beyond doubt" at the time ..... turns out it wasn't them at all .... and there's plenty more cases such as this .... you're idea is un-workable" How many years ago was that? | |||
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"Death penalty is an easy way out, but prison is an easy ride. Make prison more of a punishment I'd say, they receive toomany luxuries How is it an easy ride?" Everything is free. They get free education, free food, no bills to pay. On "good behaviour" they get rewarded with items. Yet an elderly member of society has to pay £600 plus a week, to be looked after in a care home. | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly in the Old days Rapists and Kiddy fiddlers were fair game in Prison and used to take abuse daily. Those days are long gone,and they now have a segregation wing for them all and can't be got at. Which I do find a bit odd. Not true. Have you worked in a prison? No I haven't worked in a Prison,but I can assure you I know. Well I have and know differently " Aylesbury has Woodhill has Grendon is dedicated to it sure there is one in Nottinghamshire Poor coper and Vp wings are in most jails. | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife " Even those who were themselves abused as children? | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. " At massive expense to the tax payer whilst they live comfortably with three well balanced meals per day an x box and free gym etc They are hardly breaking rocks.... Hang murderers terrorists and peados | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly in the Old days Rapists and Kiddy fiddlers were fair game in Prison and used to take abuse daily. Those days are long gone,and they now have a segregation wing for them all and can't be got at. Which I do find a bit odd. Not true. Have you worked in a prison? No I haven't worked in a Prison,but I can assure you I know. Well I have and know differently " I think rule 43. segregation for own protection is the reference. but its not just for Rapists and Kiddy. fiddlers. | |||
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"I'm for it under special circumstances where the offenders guilt has been proven beyond doubt. the cardiff three's case was "proved beyond doubt" at the time ..... turns out it wasn't them at all .... and there's plenty more cases such as this .... you're idea is un-workable How many years ago was that?" what does it matter? suffice to say it was within our adult lifetime. the fact is the men still served time, but the horrific nature of the murder would have seen them executed. | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. At massive expense to the tax payer whilst they live comfortably with -three well balanced meals per day an x box and free gym etc They are hardly breaking rocks.... Hang murderers terrorists and peados" Receiving this kind of lifestyle in prison, makes you wonder why they can't understand that there's a high re-offending rate | |||
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"Yes. New capital offences to include : Buying footwear from Shoe Zone Buying 'ornaments' & 'art' from B&M Men wearing Uggs (women to receive 50 lashes) Hikers using 2 sticks to walk up a town centre high street Anyone caught pulling a tourer caravan during peak traffic Check out staff who ask 'is that all today ?' and last but certainly not least The next person to start a 'muslims are bad' thread " | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children?" The fact that most people seem to ignore | |||
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"If someone is caught stealing chop off their finger and keep going if they don't learn, if a rapist is caught chop off their penis or stitch up their lady parts. Prisons are absolutely no deterrent these days" You should move to syria | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. At massive expense to the tax payer whilst they live comfortably with -three well balanced meals per day an x box and free gym etc They are hardly breaking rocks.... Hang murderers terrorists and peados Receiving this kind of lifestyle in prison, makes you wonder why they can't understand that there's a high re-offending rate " so what is the current re-offending rate? and how high is it i comparisson to lets say 1985? | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. At massive expense to the tax payer whilst they live comfortably with -three well balanced meals per day an x box and free gym etc They are hardly breaking rocks.... Hang murderers terrorists and peados Receiving this kind of lifestyle in prison, makes you wonder why they can't understand that there's a high re-offending rate so what is the current re-offending rate? and how high is it i comparisson to lets say 1985?" And how does it relate to the reoffending rate in areas like scandanavia? And how doe the prison sytem there compare to ours? | |||
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"If someone is caught stealing chop off their finger and keep going if they don't learn, if a rapist is caught chop off their penis or stitch up their lady parts. Prisons are absolutely no deterrent these days You should move to syria" Why.......it would certainly make people think about re-offending. I know first hand that people think prison is a joke in this country, some re-offenders treat it like a holiday!!!!! | |||
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"If someone is caught stealing chop off their finger and keep going if they don't learn, if a rapist is caught chop off their penis or stitch up their lady parts. Prisons are absolutely no deterrent these days You should move to syria Why.......it would certainly make people think about re-offending. I know first hand that people think prison is a joke in this country, some re-offenders treat it like a holiday!!!!!" So the first solution you come to about prison reform is killing people? | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children?" Your argument is flawed in my opinion because of this simple fact what about all the others that are abused as children who don't go on to be abusers . | |||
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"If someone is caught stealing chop off their finger and keep going if they don't learn, if a rapist is caught chop off their penis or stitch up their lady parts. Prisons are absolutely no deterrent these days You should move to syria Why.......it would certainly make people think about re-offending. I know first hand that people think prison is a joke in this country, some re-offenders treat it like a holiday!!!!! So the first solution you come to about prison reform is killing people? "Where did I ever say "kill someone"?????? | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children?" Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. At massive expense to the tax payer whilst they live comfortably with -three well balanced meals per day an x box and free gym etc They are hardly breaking rocks.... Hang murderers terrorists and peados Receiving this kind of lifestyle in prison, makes you wonder why they can't understand that there's a high re-offending rate so what is the current re-offending rate? and how high is it i comparisson to lets say 1985? And how does it relate to the reoffending rate in areas like scandanavia? And how doe the prison sytem there compare to ours?" According to the open justice web site: 59% reoffend if their sentence was less than 12 months 37% for sentences between 1 and 4 years 26% for sentences between 4 and 10 years 18% for sentences more than 10 years | |||
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"There been a fair bit written in here about prison sentences or the death sentence being a deterrent or not. Neither are meant as a deterrent their punishments for a crime meant to give justice to the victim of the crime . America has the death sentence because it believes that's the best way to give justice to the victims who can't speak for themselves for obvious reasons and to the families of the victims . " . I just don't belive that killing someone that killed your child is the best way for someone to "feel better" about the crime! I've got no problem whatsoever with breaking rocks in a quarry if it was proved that this deterred further crime | |||
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"Death penalty is an easy way out, but prison is an easy ride. Make prison more of a punishment I'd say, they receive toomany luxuries How is it an easy ride? Everything is free. They get free education, free food, no bills to pay. On "good behaviour" they get rewarded with items. Yet an elderly member of society has to pay £600 plus a week, to be looked after in a care home. " many people do have a better life in prison than outside. | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. At massive expense to the tax payer whilst they live comfortably with -three well balanced meals per day an x box and free gym etc They are hardly breaking rocks.... Hang murderers terrorists and peados Receiving this kind of lifestyle in prison, makes you wonder why they can't understand that there's a high re-offending rate so what is the current re-offending rate? and how high is it i comparisson to lets say 1985? And how does it relate to the reoffending rate in areas like scandanavia? And how doe the prison sytem there compare to ours? According to the open justice web site: 59% reoffend if their sentence was less than 12 months 37% for sentences between 1 and 4 years 26% for sentences between 4 and 10 years 18% for sentences more than 10 years" ok .... from the same source as you've quoted ... " Mythbuster: punishment and rehabilitation 'Prison is the best place for all offenders' You be the Judge Serious offenders receive serious prison sentences which are appropriate for the crimes they have committed. As they will be in prison for longer, there is time for them not only to be punished but also rehabilitated before they are released on licence. Offenders who commit less serious offences can only be given shorter prison sentences or a community sentence - sentencing must be appropriate to the seriousness of the offence. Offenders on short prison sentences are almost three times more likely to commit another crime, and one of the reasons for this is the lack of time to deliver effective rehabilitation. However, offenders who receive community sentences are less likely to offend than those on short prison sentences. So prison isn't always the best way to cut reoffending and make communities safer. 'Courts give community sentences because prisons are full' Prison is the best place for serious offenders. There will always be places for anyone whose crime is so serious or whose behaviour cannot be tackled by anything other than a prison sentence. But less serious criminals often receive community sentences as these are the most effective sentences that could be given for the offence committed. Three out of five short-term prisoners will reoffend within a year, which makes them more likely to reoffend than those with a similar profile who received community sentences. 'Offenders on probation walk free' Offenders who have just been released from prison on licence or are serving their sentence within the community are closely supervised by the probation service. Probation officers ensure that offenders obey the requirements of their particular sentence so they are punished, but also ensure that the causes of their offending are addressed. This could involve various requirements, including getting treatment for a substance misuse or mental health issue, the use of a curfew, or unpaid work. 'Prison sentences are punishment; community sentences aren't' Sentences have five purposes: to punish offenders, to reform and rehabilitate offenders, to ensure offenders make up for their crime, to reduce future crime and to protect the public. Community sentences deliver punishment as well as rehabilitation. They can deprive offenders of their freedom by imposing a curfew monitored using an electronic tag, restricting their actions or behaviours, or requiring them to report to a probation officer on a regular basis. Failing any of these requirements could lead to a return to court and time in prison for a relatively minor offence. Many prison sentences, as well as being a punishment, will also include rehabilitative requirements to help offenders address the behaviour which leads them to reoffend, like managing their anger or tackling alcoholism and drug abuse. 'Prisoners lead a life of luxury' Prisoners' lives are highly regulated, spending some 25 hours a week on average on purposeful activity, including work, education and training, and programmes addressing their offending, including drug and alcohol treatment. Some 9,000 prisoners are employed every day in prison industries across 400 sites. And current proposals would see prisoners working a 40 hour week. Basic rights to food and clothing are met, but other privileges must be earned through good behaviour and adherence to prison rules. The right to have a TV in your cell must be earned, and the cost of the TV paid by the prisoner. TVs are basic 14" models with a small number of channels. Subscription channels like Sky Sports are not allowed. Games consoles are only provided to prisoners with maximum privileges due to their behaviour and performance, and must be paid for by the prisoner. Games rated 18 are not allowed in any circumstances." | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly in the Old days Rapists and Kiddy fiddlers were fair game in Prison and used to take abuse daily. Those days are long gone,and they now have a segregation wing for them all and can't be got at. Which I do find a bit odd. Not true. Have you worked in a prison? No I haven't worked in a Prison,but I can assure you I know. Well I have and know differently Aylesbury has Woodhill has Grendon is dedicated to it sure there is one in Nottinghamshire Poor coper and Vp wings are in most jails. " HMP Whatton is full of sex offenders. However, there aren't enough places and many have to live in other prisons within the general population. And then they are at risk. Certainly they will be placed in Segregation if they are deemed at risk but sometimes not in time | |||
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"There been a fair bit written in here about prison sentences or the death sentence being a deterrent or not. Neither are meant as a deterrent their punishments for a crime meant to give justice to the victim of the crime . America has the death sentence because it believes that's the best way to give justice to the victims who can't speak for themselves for obvious reasons and to the families of the victims . . I just don't belive that killing someone that killed your child is the best way for someone to "feel better" about the crime! I've got no problem whatsoever with breaking rocks in a quarry if it was proved that this deterred further crime" I admire your stance and if I had the power I'd give the victims and their families the choice of punishment. I am squarely coming at this argument from the point of _iew of justice for the victims I think you are to which means there's no right or wrong answer . All I know is this what ever justice a victim demanded with in reason by that I mean no silly over the top stuff like cut off his hand for stealing my garden gnome I'd most likely support . | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. At massive expense to the tax payer whilst they live comfortably with -three well balanced meals per day an x box and free gym etc They are hardly breaking rocks.... Hang murderers terrorists and peados Receiving this kind of lifestyle in prison, makes you wonder why they can't understand that there's a high re-offending rate so what is the current re-offending rate? and how high is it i comparisson to lets say 1985? And how does it relate to the reoffending rate in areas like scandanavia? And how doe the prison sytem there compare to ours? According to the open justice web site: 59% reoffend if their sentence was less than 12 months 37% for sentences between 1 and 4 years 26% for sentences between 4 and 10 years 18% for sentences more than 10 years ok .... from the same source as you've quoted ... " Mythbuster: punishment and rehabilitation 'Prison is the best place for all offenders' You be the Judge Serious offenders receive serious prison sentences which are appropriate for the crimes they have committed. As they will be in prison for longer, there is time for them not only to be punished but also rehabilitated before they are released on licence. Offenders who commit less serious offences can only be given shorter prison sentences or a community sentence - sentencing must be appropriate to the seriousness of the offence. Offenders on short prison sentences are almost three times more likely to commit another crime, and one of the reasons for this is the lack of time to deliver effective rehabilitation. However, offenders who receive community sentences are less likely to offend than those on short prison sentences. So prison isn't always the best way to cut reoffending and make communities safer. 'Courts give community sentences because prisons are full' Prison is the best place for serious offenders. There will always be places for anyone whose crime is so serious or whose behaviour cannot be tackled by anything other than a prison sentence. But less serious criminals often receive community sentences as these are the most effective sentences that could be given for the offence committed. Three out of five short-term prisoners will reoffend within a year, which makes them more likely to reoffend than those with a similar profile who received community sentences. 'Offenders on probation walk free' Offenders who have just been released from prison on licence or are serving their sentence within the community are closely supervised by the probation service. Probation officers ensure that offenders obey the requirements of their particular sentence so they are punished, but also ensure that the causes of their offending are addressed. This could involve various requirements, including getting treatment for a substance misuse or mental health issue, the use of a curfew, or unpaid work. 'Prison sentences are punishment; community sentences aren't' Sentences have five purposes: to punish offenders, to reform and rehabilitate offenders, to ensure offenders make up for their crime, to reduce future crime and to protect the public. Community sentences deliver punishment as well as rehabilitation. They can deprive offenders of their freedom by imposing a curfew monitored using an electronic tag, restricting their actions or behaviours, or requiring them to report to a probation officer on a regular basis. Failing any of these requirements could lead to a return to court and time in prison for a relatively minor offence. Many prison sentences, as well as being a punishment, will also include rehabilitative requirements to help offenders address the behaviour which leads them to reoffend, like managing their anger or tackling alcoholism and drug abuse. 'Prisoners lead a life of luxury' Prisoners' lives are highly regulated, spending some 25 hours a week on average on purposeful activity, including work, education and training, and programmes addressing their offending, including drug and alcohol treatment. Some 9,000 prisoners are employed every day in prison industries across 400 sites. And current proposals would see prisoners working a 40 hour week. Basic rights to food and clothing are met, but other privileges must be earned through good behaviour and adherence to prison rules. The right to have a TV in your cell must be earned, and the cost of the TV paid by the prisoner. TVs are basic 14" models with a small number of channels. Subscription channels like Sky Sports are not allowed. Games consoles are only provided to prisoners with maximum privileges due to their behaviour and performance, and must be paid for by the prisoner. Games rated 18 are not allowed in any circumstances."" For the hours they work they are paid, so they can buy items like cigarettes, magazines, chocolates etc. The money they earn should be spent on their daily needs food and clothing; just like an elderly person is having to pay to have a roof over their head, be watched and have 3 meals a day and then with any luxuries they want they have to buy themselves! | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. At massive expense to the tax payer whilst they live comfortably with -three well balanced meals per day an x box and free gym etc They are hardly breaking rocks.... Hang murderers terrorists and peados Receiving this kind of lifestyle in prison, makes you wonder why they can't understand that there's a high re-offending rate so what is the current re-offending rate? and how high is it i comparisson to lets say 1985? And how does it relate to the reoffending rate in areas like scandanavia? And how doe the prison sytem there compare to ours? According to the open justice web site: 59% reoffend if their sentence was less than 12 months 37% for sentences between 1 and 4 years 26% for sentences between 4 and 10 years 18% for sentences more than 10 years ok .... from the same source as you've quoted ... " Mythbuster: punishment and rehabilitation 'Prison is the best place for all offenders' You be the Judge Serious offenders receive serious prison sentences which are appropriate for the crimes they have committed. As they will be in prison for longer, there is time for them not only to be punished but also rehabilitated before they are released on licence. Offenders who commit less serious offences can only be given shorter prison sentences or a community sentence - sentencing must be appropriate to the seriousness of the offence. Offenders on short prison sentences are almost three times more likely to commit another crime, and one of the reasons for this is the lack of time to deliver effective rehabilitation. However, offenders who receive community sentences are less likely to offend than those on short prison sentences. So prison isn't always the best way to cut reoffending and make communities safer. 'Courts give community sentences because prisons are full' Prison is the best place for serious offenders. There will always be places for anyone whose crime is so serious or whose behaviour cannot be tackled by anything other than a prison sentence. But less serious criminals often receive community sentences as these are the most effective sentences that could be given for the offence committed. Three out of five short-term prisoners will reoffend within a year, which makes them more likely to reoffend than those with a similar profile who received community sentences. 'Offenders on probation walk free' Offenders who have just been released from prison on licence or are serving their sentence within the community are closely supervised by the probation service. Probation officers ensure that offenders obey the requirements of their particular sentence so they are punished, but also ensure that the causes of their offending are addressed. This could involve various requirements, including getting treatment for a substance misuse or mental health issue, the use of a curfew, or unpaid work. 'Prison sentences are punishment; community sentences aren't' Sentences have five purposes: to punish offenders, to reform and rehabilitate offenders, to ensure offenders make up for their crime, to reduce future crime and to protect the public. Community sentences deliver punishment as well as rehabilitation. They can deprive offenders of their freedom by imposing a curfew monitored using an electronic tag, restricting their actions or behaviours, or requiring them to report to a probation officer on a regular basis. Failing any of these requirements could lead to a return to court and time in prison for a relatively minor offence. Many prison sentences, as well as being a punishment, will also include rehabilitative requirements to help offenders address the behaviour which leads them to reoffend, like managing their anger or tackling alcoholism and drug abuse. 'Prisoners lead a life of luxury' Prisoners' lives are highly regulated, spending some 25 hours a week on average on purposeful activity, including work, education and training, and programmes addressing their offending, including drug and alcohol treatment. Some 9,000 prisoners are employed every day in prison industries across 400 sites. And current proposals would see prisoners working a 40 hour week. Basic rights to food and clothing are met, but other privileges must be earned through good behaviour and adherence to prison rules. The right to have a TV in your cell must be earned, and the cost of the TV paid by the prisoner. TVs are basic 14" models with a small number of channels. Subscription channels like Sky Sports are not allowed. Games consoles are only provided to prisoners with maximum privileges due to their behaviour and performance, and must be paid for by the prisoner. Games rated 18 are not allowed in any circumstances." For the hours they work they are paid, so they can buy items like cigarettes, magazines, chocolates etc. The money they earn should be spent on their daily needs food and clothing; just like an elderly person is having to pay to have a roof over their head, be watched and have 3 meals a day and then with any luxuries they want they have to buy themselves! " comparing the current failings of the geriatric welfare system with the penal system is misleading at best. | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. At massive expense to the tax payer whilst they live comfortably with -three well balanced meals per day an x box and free gym etc They are hardly breaking rocks.... Hang murderers terrorists and peados Receiving this kind of lifestyle in prison, makes you wonder why they can't understand that there's a high re-offending rate so what is the current re-offending rate? and how high is it i comparisson to lets say 1985? And how does it relate to the reoffending rate in areas like scandanavia? And how doe the prison sytem there compare to ours? According to the open justice web site: 59% reoffend if their sentence was less than 12 months 37% for sentences between 1 and 4 years 26% for sentences between 4 and 10 years 18% for sentences more than 10 years ok .... from the same source as you've quoted ... " Mythbuster: punishment and rehabilitation 'Prison is the best place for all offenders' You be the Judge Serious offenders receive serious prison sentences which are appropriate for the crimes they have committed. As they will be in prison for longer, there is time for them not only to be punished but also rehabilitated before they are released on licence. Offenders who commit less serious offences can only be given shorter prison sentences or a community sentence - sentencing must be appropriate to the seriousness of the offence. Offenders on short prison sentences are almost three times more likely to commit another crime, and one of the reasons for this is the lack of time to deliver effective rehabilitation. However, offenders who receive community sentences are less likely to offend than those on short prison sentences. So prison isn't always the best way to cut reoffending and make communities safer. 'Courts give community sentences because prisons are full' Prison is the best place for serious offenders. There will always be places for anyone whose crime is so serious or whose behaviour cannot be tackled by anything other than a prison sentence. But less serious criminals often receive community sentences as these are the most effective sentences that could be given for the offence committed. Three out of five short-term prisoners will reoffend within a year, which makes them more likely to reoffend than those with a similar profile who received community sentences. 'Offenders on probation walk free' Offenders who have just been released from prison on licence or are serving their sentence within the community are closely supervised by the probation service. Probation officers ensure that offenders obey the requirements of their particular sentence so they are punished, but also ensure that the causes of their offending are addressed. This could involve various requirements, including getting treatment for a substance misuse or mental health issue, the use of a curfew, or unpaid work. 'Prison sentences are punishment; community sentences aren't' Sentences have five purposes: to punish offenders, to reform and rehabilitate offenders, to ensure offenders make up for their crime, to reduce future crime and to protect the public. Community sentences deliver punishment as well as rehabilitation. They can deprive offenders of their freedom by imposing a curfew monitored using an electronic tag, restricting their actions or behaviours, or requiring them to report to a probation officer on a regular basis. Failing any of these requirements could lead to a return to court and time in prison for a relatively minor offence. Many prison sentences, as well as being a punishment, will also include rehabilitative requirements to help offenders address the behaviour which leads them to reoffend, like managing their anger or tackling alcoholism and drug abuse. 'Prisoners lead a life of luxury' Prisoners' lives are highly regulated, spending some 25 hours a week on average on purposeful activity, including work, education and training, and programmes addressing their offending, including drug and alcohol treatment. Some 9,000 prisoners are employed every day in prison industries across 400 sites. And current proposals would see prisoners working a 40 hour week. Basic rights to food and clothing are met, but other privileges must be earned through good behaviour and adherence to prison rules. The right to have a TV in your cell must be earned, and the cost of the TV paid by the prisoner. TVs are basic 14" models with a small number of channels. Subscription channels like Sky Sports are not allowed. Games consoles are only provided to prisoners with maximum privileges due to their behaviour and performance, and must be paid for by the prisoner. Games rated 18 are not allowed in any circumstances." For the hours they work they are paid, so they can buy items like cigarettes, magazines, chocolates etc. The money they earn should be spent on their daily needs food and clothing; just like an elderly person is having to pay to have a roof over their head, be watched and have 3 meals a day and then with any luxuries they want they have to buy themselves! comparing the current failings of the geriatric welfare system with the penal system is misleading at best." And speaks volumes about the people who make that comparison, because invariably they seem to think that worse treatment of prisoners is the better way to increase the distance between living standards rather than increase the living standards of our elderly | |||
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" comparing the current failings of the geriatric welfare system with the penal system is misleading at best." comparing prisoners lives to less of members of the population is quite reasonable. why is it misleading? and what is it at worst? | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life" Of course not. But that doesnlt alter the fact that many abusers have been victimes | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life Of course not. But that doesnlt alter the fact that many abusers have been victimes" And where did you get those statistics?? | |||
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"I disagree with the death penalty. However, I agree with the idea of America's 99 year prison sentences. I believe that if someone is sentanced to life in prison then that is exactly what they should get." But then you are moving away from the death penalty and the it's the judicial system that needs looking at. Generally whatever sentence Joe Bloggs gets given nowadays with good behaviour they serve half(and most of the time will have their remarned to come off that also) | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life Of course not. But that doesnlt alter the fact that many abusers have been victimes" So your saying if the abuser has been a victim it's OK? ??? Surly being a victim you would know how it feels n wouldn't want it to happen to others???? | |||
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"I disagree with the death penalty. However, I agree with the idea of America's 99 year prison sentences. I believe that if someone is sentanced to life in prison then that is exactly what they should get." it's for an independent judge to issue a sentence. if he sees fit to imprison someone untill they die he can pass a sentence of "whole life order". so we already have this. | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life Of course not. But that doesnlt alter the fact that many abusers have been victimes So your saying if the abuser has been a victim it's OK? ??? Surly being a victim you would know how it feels n wouldn't want it to happen to others????" Where did I say that? I;m suggesting that looking at cause and effect os always a worthwhile exercise. Though based on your previous post of locking them in the same cell, I realise that such an approach will be lost on you | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life Of course not. But that doesnlt alter the fact that many abusers have been victimes So your saying if the abuser has been a victim it's OK? ??? Surly being a victim you would know how it feels n wouldn't want it to happen to others???? Where did I say that? I;m suggesting that looking at cause and effect os always a worthwhile exercise. Though based on your previous post of locking them in the same cell, I realise that such an approach will be lost on you" The amount who go onto abuse others after being abused themselves will be outweighed by the number who don't. A lot of abusers say they were abused as kids in order to try and get the sympathy vote, I don't believe for one second that the majority were. | |||
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"If someone is caught stealing chop off their finger and keep going if they don't learn, if a rapist is caught chop off their penis or stitch up their lady parts. Prisons are absolutely no deterrent these days You should move to syria Why.......it would certainly make people think about re-offending. I know first hand that people think prison is a joke in this country, some re-offenders treat it like a holiday!!!!! So the first solution you come to about prison reform is killing people?
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life Of course not. But that doesnlt alter the fact that many abusers have been victimes So your saying if the abuser has been a victim it's OK? ??? Surly being a victim you would know how it feels n wouldn't want it to happen to others????" Nope. Of course not. There have been few empirical surveys done on the subject. The common perception of "experts" seems to be that male victims do tend to perpetuate the crime. One survey of 835 crimes revealed that 35% of male offenders had been victims. No one excuses it but no one can excuse what was done to them either. | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life Of course not. But that doesnlt alter the fact that many abusers have been victimes So your saying if the abuser has been a victim it's OK? ??? Surly being a victim you would know how it feels n wouldn't want it to happen to others???? Where did I say that? I;m suggesting that looking at cause and effect os always a worthwhile exercise. Though based on your previous post of locking them in the same cell, I realise that such an approach will be lost on you The amount who go onto abuse others after being abused themselves will be outweighed by the number who don't. A lot of abusers say they were abused as kids in order to try and get the sympathy vote, I don't believe for one second that the majority were." Did I say it was the majority? | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life Of course not. But that doesnlt alter the fact that many abusers have been victimes So your saying if the abuser has been a victim it's OK? ??? Surly being a victim you would know how it feels n wouldn't want it to happen to others???? Where did I say that? I;m suggesting that looking at cause and effect os always a worthwhile exercise. Though based on your previous post of locking them in the same cell, I realise that such an approach will be lost on you" you didnt say it was ok but you did say it was a mitigating circumstance. | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? Not all victims of child abuse turn out to be abusers in their adult life Of course not. But that doesnlt alter the fact that many abusers have been victimes So your saying if the abuser has been a victim it's OK? ??? Surly being a victim you would know how it feels n wouldn't want it to happen to others???? Where did I say that? I;m suggesting that looking at cause and effect os always a worthwhile exercise. Though based on your previous post of locking them in the same cell, I realise that such an approach will be lost on you you didnt say it was ok but you did say it was a mitigating circumstance. " Where did I say that? Abusers deserve to be punished, but they also deserve the opportunity and some arguably need the opportunity to be rehabilitated. And looking at the link between past experience and offences will help people in the future. But regardless, the suggestion at the start of this post about how offenders should be treated is vile and indefensible | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? The fact that most people seem to ignore"juuuust here | |||
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"Although i do think peados and the like deserve the death sentence and also lee rigbys killers it does seem to quick a punishment. Much more of a punishment would be solitary confinment for the rest of there lives Peados should all be put in a large room together with 1 slice of bread a day each only 1 toilet so they have to drink toilet water and a very sharp knife Even those who were themselves abused as children? The fact that most people seem to ignore
juuuust here "How is that say it is mitigaring circumstances? I acknowledged the previous post about paedophiles also being victims? | |||
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 be pretty hard to rape someone if you had no cock | |||
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"Chop bits off be pretty hard to rape someone if you had no cock"I said the same earlier and was told I should move to Syria | |||
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"it wont ever work as a 'deterrent', its barbaric, its fallible and will lead to innocent people being executed.. and for some its too easy an option, let them rot and die within.. " It works in America doesn't it? Ahh. I see your argument! | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" . Definitely against . What about the various miscarriages of justice ?. We would be hanging quite a few innocent people . | |||
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"Personally I don't believe it it, regardless if it's a job or not someone still had to push a button or whatever and end that persons life (regardless of what crime they commited, that person carrying out the penalty is still in essence ending another persons life). I'd much prefer to see the person suffer in prison for the rest of their lives. Just my opinion x" That way you can let them out after two years and elect them. | |||
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"Time to reintroduce the death penalty? And, if so, for what offences?" . The family backgrounds of those who committ murder can often be very tragic and some people fail to appreciate normal standards of behaviour If you have ever visited anyone in prison you will appreciate that this should be sufficient punishment in itreself . They are horrible places | |||
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"Rightly or wrongly in the Old days Rapists and Kiddy fiddlers were fair game in Prison and used to take abuse daily. Those days are long gone,and they now have a segregation wing for them all and can't be got at. Which I do find a bit odd. Not true. Have you worked in a prison? No I haven't worked in a Prison,but I can assure you I know." My ex bro in law works in a prison, pedofiles and child killers are segregated. They have to for example call them 'mr Jones' not by first names. Prisons are a very different place than years ago due to the human rights laws. Do I agree with the death penalty I don't know?!. Whilst at collage I followed a local case and went to a 'police' house behind a two way mirror I saw a child being inter_iewed by amazingly skilled professionals what I saw and heard from the child that day was I can only describe as mentally destroying I can still vividly see that child and hear it's words to this day. That person who did that I feel should have been given a punishment like no other which I feel was the death penalty. I don't believe anyone has the right to take another's life (lee rigby murderers) or take the innocence of a child. But there is a fine line, by having the death penalty I don't think it would determine behaviour of the lines of west or hindley those people don't care they did it for gratification. | |||
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"If someone is caught stealing chop off their finger and keep going if they don't learn, if a rapist is caught chop off their penis or stitch up their lady parts. Prisons are absolutely no deterrent these days You should move to syria Why.......it would certainly make people think about re-offending. I know first hand that people think prison is a joke in this country, some re-offenders treat it like a holiday!!!!!" See the 3 strikes rule in America proved quote well that ultra harsh sentences do not act as a deterrent. Under the three strikes rule people have been sent to jail for life (as in proper life) for things such as stealing a cookie. | |||
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"I worked within the CJS system for ten years & its pants " | |||
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"I worked within the CJS system for ten years & its pants " as did i. i worked on a murder case that ultimately became known by the appeal judge as "one of the most egregious miscarriages of justice in recent times". proof that it's right and just for the UK to have no death penalty | |||
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"If someone is caught stealing chop off their finger and keep going if they don't learn, if a rapist is caught chop off their penis or stitch up their lady parts. Prisons are absolutely no deterrent these days You should move to syria Why.......it would certainly make people think about re-offending. I know first hand that people think prison is a joke in this country, some re-offenders treat it like a holiday!!!!! See the 3 strikes rule in America proved quote well that ultra harsh sentences do not act as a deterrent. Under the three strikes rule people have been sent to jail for life (as in proper life) for things such as stealing a cookie." The 3 strikes rule is ridiculous. But there are also people in Brotish prisons with no release date for relatively minor offences | |||
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