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By *he tactile technician OP Man
over a year ago
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As our National parks are being squeezed more and more on their central government funding, and they search for ways of increasing their funding,what would you call a step too far in how they manage this?
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I think it's different up here... we don't have your trespass laws. I don't way for any of our green spaces. They're free. It's the castles and stuff you have to pay for unless you're a member of Historic Scotland and I give them six quid a month and can go into our castles without paying a further entry fee.  |
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over a year ago
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They are talking about parking charges in the peaks, they already have pay and display car parks, but this would be to park anywhere. If they really are in trouble, I wouldn't mind paying that. |
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By *he tactile technician OP Man
over a year ago
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Parking is the thin edge of the wedge, all of the National Parks are looking at how to slip commercialism in under the radar. Are we on the brink of the model in the USA where you pay for an entry to a National Park unless you are a resident? or other revenue raising ideas, A paths and trails due for using them, a fishing and lakes due, a skyways levy for launching a paraglyder or for parapenting? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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There was discussion a few years ago that they were discussing a "no vehicle" access to the parks in Wales, at least, and visitors would have to use a park and ride scheme 
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We have Rutland water here and you pay for the carpark and that's it and the activities and one area they charge which is the nature reserve, the whole of it is spotlessly clean, very well maintained and I wouldn't mind paying a small fee especially if this involved policing the dog walkers that don't keep their dogs on leads, the only thing that spoils it
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We have Rutland water here and you pay for the carpark and that's it and the activities and one area they charge which is the nature reserve, the whole of it is spotlessly clean, very well maintained and I wouldn't mind paying a small fee especially if this involved policing the dog walkers that don't keep their dogs on leads, the only thing that spoils it
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with dogs being off leads, especially in the countryside 
It's the owners of badly behaved dogs, children, other adults or basically anyone that spoils the enjoyment for anyone else
My hound just happens to behave impeccably of the lead   |
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"I think it's different up here... we don't have your trespass laws. I don't way for any of our green spaces. They're free. It's the castles and stuff you have to pay for unless you're a member of Historic Scotland and I give them six quid a month and can go into our castles without paying a further entry fee. "
with the right to roam act (CRoW act 2000) you can wander pretty much wherever you want in wales as long as you're not interfering with arable farming or in somebodies garden. trespass doesn't come into it. |
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By *im himCouple (MM)
over a year ago
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"Do we not already pay a contribution towards our national parks in the form of our taxes which go to the government? "
We pay for most things with our taxes but if successive governments spend our taxes on wars that we should not be invoked in what do we expect .
There's plenty of money , as a country we spend it on the wrong things |
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"We have Rutland water here and you pay for the carpark and that's it and the activities and one area they charge which is the nature reserve, the whole of it is spotlessly clean, very well maintained and I wouldn't mind paying a small fee especially if this involved policing the dog walkers that don't keep their dogs on leads, the only thing that spoils it
There's absolutely nothing wrong with dogs being off leads, especially in the countryside
It's the owners of badly behaved dogs, children, other adults or basically anyone that spoils the enjoyment for anyone else
My hound just happens to behave impeccably of the lead "
OK, so the path is narrow, two lads are cycling one behind each other a dog appears from nowhere and runs in front of the first cyclist which causes him to break so fast he goes over his handlebars, plus the fact there are signs saying dogs MUST be on leads and you try and blame other people apart from the dog owners, that's not the only incident but the most serious one I've come across up there |
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By *he tactile technician OP Man
over a year ago
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"Do we not already pay a contribution towards our national parks in the form of our taxes which go to the government?
We pay for most things with our taxes but if successive governments spend our taxes on wars that we should not be invoked in what do we expect .
There's plenty of money , as a country we spend it on the wrong things "
Hmmmm, some interesting opinions on how the public purse is being spent, I would suggest that those working in the National Health Service, Mental Health in the community, and dare I add the parole service would have a different opinion.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We have Rutland water here and you pay for the carpark and that's it and the activities and one area they charge which is the nature reserve, the whole of it is spotlessly clean, very well maintained and I wouldn't mind paying a small fee especially if this involved policing the dog walkers that don't keep their dogs on leads, the only thing that spoils it
There's absolutely nothing wrong with dogs being off leads, especially in the countryside
It's the owners of badly behaved dogs, children, other adults or basically anyone that spoils the enjoyment for anyone else
My hound just happens to behave impeccably of the lead OK, so the path is narrow, two lads are cycling one behind each other a dog appears from nowhere and runs in front of the first cyclist which causes him to break so fast he goes over his handlebars, plus the fact there are signs saying dogs MUST be on leads and you try and blame other people apart from the dog owners, that's not the only incident but the most serious one I've come across up there"
Well if it says that dogs must be on leads then so they should be, but in most areas that isn't the case.
But as I said it's down to responsible owners |
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By *im himCouple (MM)
over a year ago
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"Do we not already pay a contribution towards our national parks in the form of our taxes which go to the government?
We pay for most things with our taxes but if successive governments spend our taxes on wars that we should not be invoked in what do we expect .
There's plenty of money , as a country we spend it on the wrong things Hmmmm, some interesting opinions on how the public purse is being spent, I would suggest that those working in the National Health Service, Mental Health in the community, and dare I add the parole service would have a different opinion.
My point exactly , that's what we should be spending our tax payers money on . My mother has mental health problems so I know the problems there . We got billions to spend on wars but none to spend on our elderly and infirm . Something is really wrong here .
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By *he tactile technician OP Man
over a year ago
the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands |
"Do we not already pay a contribution towards our national parks in the form of our taxes which go to the government?
We pay for most things with our taxes but if successive governments spend our taxes on wars that we should not be invoked in what do we expect .
There's plenty of money , as a country we spend it on the wrong things Hmmmm, some interesting opinions on how the public purse is being spent, I would suggest that those working in the National Health Service, Mental Health in the community, and dare I add the parole service would have a different opinion.
My point exactly , that's what we should be spending our tax payers money on . My mother has mental health problems so I know the problems there . We got billions to spend on wars but none to spend on our elderly and infirm . Something is really wrong here .
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to bring this back on topic then, paying for our National Parks should be on a Pay as you use, or through commercial sponsorship model then??? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What about how we fund the mountain rescue services etc.?
Should there be a very big contribution/ donation box ? Should there be a charge ?
There are three main trails up Snowdon, which are maintained by the NP in a very good condition.
But the number of people you see waking up there in inadequate clothing and footwear is staggering 
Even on what seems like a fine day, the weather can change quickly and become hazardous.
I once walked up on a fine winters day, which ended up in snow blizzards and a white out.
I was fully prepared for it though and had done weather checks prior to setting off |
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By *he tactile technician OP Man
over a year ago
the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands |
"What about how we fund the mountain rescue services etc.?
Should there be a very big contribution/ donation box ? Should there be a charge ?
There are three main trails up Snowdon, which are maintained by the NP in a very good condition.
But the number of people you see waking up there in inadequate clothing and footwear is staggering
Even on what seems like a fine day, the weather can change quickly and become hazardous.
I once walked up on a fine winters day, which ended up in snow blizzards and a white out.
I was fully prepared for it though and had done weather checks prior to setting off "
from the Llanberis side if you don't include the Crib Coch route, Yes...the miners, Llanberis, and PYG, but also the Watkin, Snowdon Ranger and Rhyd Du trails. Do you not think that a Annual Park tag for people to enjoy all the parks throughout the UK would work, and if you are visiting to see friends or family living within the park or your journey involves transiting through a park you pay a nominal daily rate such as crossing the Thames at the QE Dartford crossing? How the parks then use that income depends on the priorities that only they can decide upon.
The subject of rescue is going to become more relevent in the forthcoming years...who pays for it, and whether or not a helicopter is scrambled.
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" Do you not think that a Annual Park tag for people to enjoy all the parks throughout the UK would work, and if you are visiting to see friends or family living within the park or your journey involves transiting through a park you pay a nominal daily rate such as crossing the Thames at the QE Dartford crossing? How the parks then use that income depends on the priorities that only they can decide upon.
The subject of rescue is going to become more relevent in the forthcoming years...who pays for it, and whether or not a helicopter is scrambled.
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it's a poor idea what you've suggested. people live, work and conduct their lives in the national park. living in a rural area is difficult enough without creating higher costs through another tier of taxation and pushing the indigenous folk away. Also it echoes what happened with the enclosures act which was basically a gentrified land grab. Saying that, taking measures to encourage tourist access using public transport rather personal motorised transport is highly comendable but unfortunately unworkable seeing as how many of the national park areas are currently struggling to retain any kind of decent bus service for locals |
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By *he tactile technician OP Man
over a year ago
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" Do you not think that a Annual Park tag for people to enjoy all the parks throughout the UK would work, and if you are visiting to see friends or family living within the park or your journey involves transiting through a park you pay a nominal daily rate such as crossing the Thames at the QE Dartford crossing? How the parks then use that income depends on the priorities that only they can decide upon.
The subject of rescue is going to become more relevent in the forthcoming years...who pays for it, and whether or not a helicopter is scrambled.
it's a poor idea what you've suggested. people live, work and conduct their lives in the national park. living in a rural area is difficult enough without creating higher costs through another tier of taxation and pushing the indigenous folk away. Also it echoes what happened with the enclosures act which was basically a gentrified land grab. Saying that, taking measures to encourage tourist access using public transport rather personal motorised transport is highly comendable but unfortunately unworkable seeing as how many of the national park areas are currently struggling to retain any kind of decent bus service for locals"
only trying to encourage debate. As someone that lived in the Snowdonia National Parc for near on 20 years, I now full well the difficulties that the National Parks have, the truth of the matter is; however, that the difficulties are going to increase and become more acute as more and more of the parks see a reduction of their funding by 40% and so on. Bus services wheter good, bad, or indifferent within a National Park are the responsibility of the local authority and not the Park, the only way that a bus service will survive and become better if it becomes more commercially viable. relying on local people probably isn't going to achieve that; so deterring people from bringing their cars into the park may help; but I am aware that that leaves people with less freedom. |
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" Do you not think that a Annual Park tag for people to enjoy all the parks throughout the UK would work, and if you are visiting to see friends or family living within the park or your journey involves transiting through a park you pay a nominal daily rate such as crossing the Thames at the QE Dartford crossing? How the parks then use that income depends on the priorities that only they can decide upon.
The subject of rescue is going to become more relevent in the forthcoming years...who pays for it, and whether or not a helicopter is scrambled.
it's a poor idea what you've suggested. people live, work and conduct their lives in the national park. living in a rural area is difficult enough without creating higher costs through another tier of taxation and pushing the indigenous folk away. Also it echoes what happened with the enclosures act which was basically a gentrified land grab. Saying that, taking measures to encourage tourist access using public transport rather personal motorised transport is highly comendable but unfortunately unworkable seeing as how many of the national park areas are currently struggling to retain any kind of decent bus service for locals
only trying to encourage debate. As someone that lived in the Snowdonia National Parc for near on 20 years, I now full well the difficulties that the National Parks have, the truth of the matter is; however, that the difficulties are going to increase and become more acute as more and more of the parks see a reduction of their funding by 40% and so on. Bus services wheter good, bad, or indifferent within a National Park are the responsibility of the local authority and not the Park, the only way that a bus service will survive and become better if it becomes more commercially viable. relying on local people probably isn't going to achieve that; so deterring people from bringing their cars into the park may help; but I am aware that that leaves people with less freedom."
i agree with the principle and commend you on opening a dialouge. i myself, until recently, lived and worked in the area for 25 years so i fully understand the situation. but a practical solution which suits local life won't be easy. you will already know that snowdonia is a high cost living area with very poor wage levels. getting it wrong will be detrimental to the stability of local communities and could possibly encourage further inward migration of wealthy retirees and outward migration of youth through lack of opportunity tipping wages versus cost of living further out of balance. it's an extremely fine line. |
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By *he tactile technician OP Man
over a year ago
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I agree that the cost of housing, and a lack of affordable housing contributes together with the cost of transport and travel...Yes, many of the private sector jobs are poorly paid, but they are indicative of the sector, seasonal work; tourism and hotel work. There are at the same time some equally well paid public sector jobs. Public transport is probably no more expensive than any other region, sadly the coverage is poor. The biggest sacrifice is probably the lack of convenience compared with most other regions, but is that not compensated by the fine views??? Umm with; until not too many years ago 2 nuclear powered electricity generating sites within close enough proximity to make the Snowdonia volcanic crater look like a dress rehersal? Umm nar
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Put psychopaths in charge and anything is possible for the masses to be forced to endure.
If we don't have decent people in charge then we likely won't have an infrastructure that is about much else other than corporate greed and the masses giving up their wealth for the tiny minority to get ever richer. We're not here to enjoy national parks, as it's not adding to someone's bottom line. |
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