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British man to get 300 lashs in Saudi Arabia

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If I was in Saudi I would obey the law to avoid such a situation.

Seems harsh but if he knew the risk then he was prepared to take it.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

He's a crim.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It does seem very harsh. I can't understand why he took the risk. It is unlikely the sentence would be carried out but we will all be paying for it in terms of 'favours' the government has to offer in return.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

I grew up in a time when if you did something wrong at school you got the cane...those were the rules...having lived and worked in Saudi for some time, they have their rules and you know the likely punishment...whether you agree with it or not...them's the rules.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He must respect their laws, it's a whole different world over there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He's a crim. "

And a human being

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

He knew it was against the law, he knew what the penalties were, he believed he could get away with it, his daughter is saying she understands it would only take "a phone call to the right person" to get him released. From what I read they believe they're above the law.

He has been in prison a year and 360 lashes for a 74 year old is harsh but if you can't do the time don't do the crime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Their laws are strict over there, why risk it. Especially for a few bottles of wine.

Claire

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"He's a crim.

And a human being"

You need to be speaking to the Saudis then not me. In the UK we don't have such draconian laws but over there they do. If he wants to break the law then he needs to realise with that comes judgement and punishment.

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By *ab femWoman over a year ago

Ayrshire

"He's a crim.

And a human being"

We did assume he was a human being and not an alien

If you break the law you get punished in whatever way that country does it. He shouldn't have taken the risk over some wine

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By *udistnorthantsMan over a year ago

Desborough

Their Country, their rules, their punishment.....

my Acme GiveAShitOmeter isnt even flickering

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's illegal for women to drive there too

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately for him he was caught but he knew the risk he was taking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's illegal for women to drive there too

It is.

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By *ab femWoman over a year ago

Ayrshire

"It's illegal for women to drive there too

Perfect. That means I could have a glass of wine with my dinner, make that a bottle

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't agree with it.

But because some Muslim country's are so strict, that would be my reason to never visit them! Stick to visiting or working in liberal countrys' if you can't stick to their tough laws!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's illegal for women to drive there too

Perfect. That means I could have a glass of wine with my dinner, make that a bottle

I don't think the penalties include spanking so give up

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Imagine a d*unk lesbian driver texting on fab

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a barbaric punishment for anyone to endure. He should not have been foolish enough to think the law didn't apply to him.

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By *igzag1Man over a year ago

hartlepool

This is Islam the peace loving religion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Imagine a d*unk lesbian driver texting on fab

I think they will get shot on the spot

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By *ab femWoman over a year ago

Ayrshire

"Imagine a d*unk lesbian driver texting on fab

Is she hot?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is Islam the peace loving religion "

Any excuse for some Islam bashing? He broke the law.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Imagine a d*unk lesbian driver texting on fab

If you're in Saudi imagining is all you'd better be doing especially if you're committing adultery at the same time.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Imagine a d*unk lesbian driver texting on fab

If you're in Saudi imagining is all you'd better be doing especially if you're committing adultery at the same time."

In a stolen car.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

This is why I don't visit such countries as I know what I'm like I forget where I am and do something wrong, what an idiot though for having the wine in the car however I'm sure the British embassy will step in, shame for the rest of those who receive such punishment who has no one to step in, in defence.

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By *harpDressed ManMan over a year ago

Here occasionally, but mostly somewhere else

Imagine what they'll do to the wine merchant?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Imagine a d*unk lesbian driver texting on fab

If you're in Saudi imagining is all you'd better be doing especially if you're committing adultery at the same time.

In a stolen car."

She won't have any arms to be texting with if she is a thief.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Imagine what they'll do to the wine merchant?"

I think it was home made so he was the merchant

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Imagine what they'll do to the wine merchant?"

Apparently it was homemade wine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is why I don't visit such countries as I know what I'm like I forget where I am and do something wrong, what an idiot though for having the wine in the car however I'm sure the British embassy will step in, shame for the rest of those who receive such punishment who has no one to step in, in defence. "

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By *om and JennieCouple over a year ago

Chams or Socials

It's 350 lashes. He's worked out there for 25 years so knew the risk. Whatever we think of the laws of other countries they should be respected

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By *sym45Man over a year ago

JE2

Its really harsh.Laws from the Dark Ages !

But he would of known the consequences of

getting caught...

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By *igzag1Man over a year ago

hartlepool

Not Islam bashing at all we live in a democracy so I have a right to my opinion sharia law is barbaric well Islam is to be fair 90 per cent of the world's conflict is Islam the quran is hand book to kill and one who is not Muslim don't try and defend it because I will prove you wrong at every level

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He broke their laws, so should be punished.

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By *lan43sumMan over a year ago

Leicester

Please correct me (verbally) if I'm mistaken but aren't there rules about how severe the lashes are? Something about the deliverer having to keep the Koran under his lashing arm?

Even so a public humiliation which like amputations and executions is supposed to stop the crimes. Yet they still have to keep using the punishments.....(rests case)

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By *ove bi guysWoman over a year ago

Birmingham

It's reported he's lived out there for 25 yrs ... he knew he was breaking the law. Now his family want the UK to get him out.

It is very strict and over the top there but he knew that.

As a country we're quick enough to moan when migrants get away with breaking the law here.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Imagine what they'll do to the wine merchant?"

It was home brew. He's done for on both counts.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is why Saudis visit countries that don't have strict laws on alcohol. They can let their hair down in public without fear of getting punished. A lot goes on behind closed doors in Saudi.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've spoken to several people of his age that assume they're not going to get into trouble because they've got it into their heads that they're immune to prosecution because they are old.

It's my parents generation. The fill yer boots and fuck everybody else generation. I'm not in agreement with public flogging unless it's at a club. But this is the law in Saudi.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not Islam bashing at all we live in a democracy so I have a right to my opinion sharia law is barbaric well Islam is to be fair 90 per cent of the world's conflict is Islam the quran is hand book to kill and one who is not Muslim don't try and defend it because I will prove you wrong at every level"

I really don't care what you think you can prove. Fortunately, neither do most Muslims so I don't need to defend them. Back to the thread for me......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He broke their laws, so should be punished.

He's already spent a year in prison.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So he's been out there 25 years, surely he's been at it all the time and not been caught, cough up he might get a lighter sentence, not!!!

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By *igzag1Man over a year ago

hartlepool

Well you should care and every one should care it's a vile cancer spreading throw the veins of Europe

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Well you should care and every one should care it's a vile cancer spreading throw the veins of Europe "
home brew?!

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By *radleyandRavenCouple over a year ago

Herts

Yes, it's harsh but he's lived there for 25 years. He would know that and did it anyway...

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Well you should care and every one should care it's a vile cancer spreading throw the veins of Europe home brew?!

Some of that stuff can be pretty vile you know Steve, mind you the 2014 blackberry wine we made was excellent and spreads through my veins nicely.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Well you should care and every one should care it's a vile cancer spreading throw the veins of Europe home brew?!

Some of that stuff can be pretty vile you know Steve, mind you the 2014 blackberry wine we made was excellent and spreads through my veins nicely.

You need lashing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Seems to me the only reason this story is making the news in this country is because the silly foolish man is British....

Although I don't condone the severity of his punishment, but I don't think his plight warrants any diplomatic intervention.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"Well you should care and every one should care it's a vile cancer spreading throw the veins of Europe home brew?!

Some of that stuff can be pretty vile you know Steve, mind you the 2014 blackberry wine we made was excellent and spreads through my veins nicely.

You need lashing. "

I do, on a regular basis. Fortunately Mr N is only too happy to oblige

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Imagine a d*unk lesbian driver texting on fab

If you're in Saudi imagining is all you'd better be doing especially if you're committing adultery at the same time.

In a stolen car."

Wearing a sexy nun outfit

hmm and my thigh boots

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Seems to me the only reason this story is making the news in this country is because the silly foolish man is British....

Although I don't condone the severity of his punishment, but I don't think his plight warrants any diplomatic intervention.

That about sums it up for me.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Well you should care and every one should care it's a vile cancer spreading throw the veins of Europe home brew?!

Some of that stuff can be pretty vile you know Steve, mind you the 2014 blackberry wine we made was excellent and spreads through my veins nicely.

You need lashing.

I do, on a regular basis. Fortunately Mr N is only too happy to oblige

I'd need photographic evidence......

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Well you should care and every one should care it's a vile cancer spreading throw the veins of Europe home brew?!

Some of that stuff can be pretty vile you know Steve, mind you the 2014 blackberry wine we made was excellent and spreads through my veins nicely.

You need lashing.

I do, on a regular basis. Fortunately Mr N is only too happy to oblige

I'd need photographic evidence......"

I bet you would

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's 360 lashes, according to the radio and he's in his 70's.

He's a fool for taking the risk. Their laws are barbaric though. I've been to the UAE lots of times and never realised I was risking death. I won't be going to any of these places again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He's a crim.

And a human being

Are you not a criminal?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is that why they call it going on the lash?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?"
my mate lived in Saudi for 4 years and paid off his mortgage but the Arabs apply their ridiculous laws to us even though they don't apply to us ,he was arrested by the religious police after an Arab driver cut him up on a journey he was making they kept him in a cell until he wrote an apology to the king of saudia and yet my friend was driving through London when a car came out of a side road hit him side on my mates car rolled over several times he was left in the wreck unconscious,the driver was a d*unk Arab but a diplomat driving a diplomatic car but could not be prosecuted ,the moral of this story is one rule for them another for us

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He's lived there for decades, enjoying the lifestyle that it affords him. He knowingly broke a law and should pay the price. Ask yourself this, would the same punishment apply to a Saudi of the same age and infirmity?

He's not paid a penny of tax in the UK for the last 3 or so decades and suddenly he's a citizen who wants to be bailed out?

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"He's a crim.

And a human being

Are you not a criminal?"

Only a fun lovin' one.

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By *r TriomanMan over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

For me there are two issues:

Should he be punished?

Yes - he broke Saudi law

Is lashing an acceptable punishment for such a crime?

Personaly, I don't think it is, I think that it is far too harsh and I would like to see strict countries such as Saudi Arabia adopt a less agresive and brutal approach to punishment.

But, if I went to or lived in Saudi I'd respect and obey their laws; although; seeing as I disagree with the severity of their punishments, it's unlikely that I'd ever go there.

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By *ivnwcplCouple over a year ago

liverpool

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?"

I think two would have been plenty. One for each eye.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He's a crim.

And a human being

We did assume he was a human being and not an alien

If you break the law you get punished in whatever way that country does it. He shouldn't have taken the risk over some wine "

Frankly I don't understand why any westerner would want to live in a company with so little Liberty, freedom and respect for human life! Nothing would make me even contemplate living in a country like that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Country - not company! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He's a crim.

And a human being

Are you not a criminal?

Only a fun lovin' one.

Aren't we all and haven't we all done thingps wrong? And I'm sure he knew that with breaking the law comes punishment and as far as I know he's accepted his punishment. Has he appealed against his punishment or his family?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is Islam the peace loving religion

Any excuse for some Islam bashing? He broke the law."
.

He broke an Islamic religious law, not a man made one, there's a difference!

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By *irtyGirlWoman over a year ago

Edinburgh

"For me there are two issues:

Should he be punished?

Yes - he broke Saudi law

Is lashing an acceptable punishment for such a crime?

Personaly, I don't think it is, I think that it is far too harsh and I would like to see strict countries such as Saudi Arabia adopt a less agresive and brutal approach to punishment.

But, if I went to or lived in Saudi I'd respect and obey their laws; although; seeing as I disagree with the severity of their punishments, it's unlikely that I'd ever go there.

This is pretty much my view too. I don't think lashing a 74 year old man is appropriate. My Dad is 75 and that's the mental picture I have... could his body cope with that? No is the answer.

I understand doing the crime and doing the time but the punishment needs to fit the crime and in my opinion it doesn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He's a crim.

And a human being

We did assume he was a human being and not an alien

If you break the law you get punished in whatever way that country does it. He shouldn't have taken the risk over some wine

Money

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's reported he's lived out there for 25 yrs ... he knew he was breaking the law. Now his family want the UK to get him out.

It is very strict and over the top there but he knew that.

As a country we're quick enough to moan when migrants get away with breaking the law here."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's alot moor alcohol drinking done in Saudi than people realise, mostly the Saudis turn a blind eye to it as long as it's kept in the foreigners compounds and out of sight!.

That being said the British government should appeal his sentence with Saudi officials because it's a barbaric law and does not fit with British laws!

I belive we appeal death sentences in the states for the exact same reasons.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I imagine next time he will stick to drinking ginger beer. Lashings of it.

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"He's a crim.

And a human being

We did assume he was a human being and not an alien

If you break the law you get punished in whatever way that country does it. He shouldn't have taken the risk over some wine

you can sleep with children, they worship a man who bummed a nine year old and they get to whip people who miss behave. how liberal do you want?

has anybody actual seen these lashes? ive seen isis do it and its some proper ann summers light bondage. looks ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This is Islam the peace loving religion

Any excuse for some Islam bashing? He broke the law..

He broke an Islamic religious law, not a man made one, there's a difference!"
Arabs drink when they are in this country lashing someone for having wine in their car sorry human nature says that is a crime in itself

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman over a year ago

B & M Bargains

People moaning about it being religious laws so they don't apply to him will be the same people who think Muslims should follow our cultural ways if they live in the U.K.

He knew the rules and he knew the consequences so why should he be excused?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'd leave them to it.

He was happy enough to take their money for 25 years.

People sometimes break laws by choice because they don't agree with them, especially when its a personal lifestyle choice and "victmless". I do but I'm happy to accept the consequences of my actions.

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By *opinovMan over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

"Country - not company! X"

Hmmm, the way the place is run for the profit of a select few instead of the benefit of everyone, I suspect you may have been right first time.

God knows why we still allow our politicians to consort with these psychotic child-buggering money-worshiping barbarians - oh yes, I remember... ours are also a bunch of child fucking money worshipers.

As for being whipped for possessing a couple of bottle of wine, it gives a whole new slant to going out on the lash!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'd leave them to it.

He was happy enough to take their money for 25 years.

People sometimes break laws by choice because they don't agree with them, especially when its a personal lifestyle choice and "victmless". I do but I'm happy to accept the consequences of my actions.

"
let's behead him seems like a more befitting crime !!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In full knowledge of the law, he made alcohol. Was he transporting wine because he made lots of it and was selling it maybe to other people working out there?

He wasn't just a tourist.

I don't agree with the punishment at all, but then I wouldn't choose to live somewhere like that.

Are those saying it's immoral, unjust etc, the same people who say that those coming to this country to live should respect and adhere to our laws and customs?

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The U.K. Government wants the Saudi oil too much to do more than bleat ineffectually.

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman over a year ago

B & M Bargains

"In full knowledge of the law, he made alcohol. Was he transporting wine because he made lots of it and was selling it maybe to other people working out there?

He wasn't just a tourist.

I don't agree with the punishment at all, but then I wouldn't choose to live somewhere like that.

Are those saying it's immoral, unjust etc, the same people who say that those coming to this country to live should respect and adhere to our laws and customs? "

you said it more eloquently than me

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

" Has he appealed against his punishment or his family?"

You can't appeal against your family

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Basically the laws an arse, the punishment is medieval but because he lived there for 25 years, he should accept it.

I wouldn't live there. He probably had a choice to live a liberal life I GUARANTEE it's the money that decided it for him.

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

"Basically the laws an arse, the punishment is medieval but because he lived there for 25 years, he should accept it.

I wouldn't live there. He probably had a choice to live a liberal life I GUARANTEE it's the money that decided it for him.

I love it when people GUARANTEE other peoples actions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I grew up in a time when if you did something wrong at school you got the cane...those were the rules...having lived and worked in Saudi for some time, they have their rules and you know the likely punishment...whether you agree with it or not...them's the rules."

Spot on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Basically the laws an arse, the punishment is medieval but because he lived there for 25 years, he should accept it.

I wouldn't live there. He probably had a choice to live a liberal life I GUARANTEE it's the money that decided it for him.

I love it when people GUARANTEE other peoples actions.

Whatever, if I'm wrong sue me

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By *igzag1Man over a year ago

hartlepool

You can't go hitting people 300 times with a leather strap it's 2015 for gods sake

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Where did he get the wine from anyway?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Home made.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You can't go hitting people 300 times with a leather strap it's 2015 for gods sake"

Not if you're in a muslim country its not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Home made."
oh I see. Silly man then. He knows it's forbidden.

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By *r TriomanMan over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"The U.K. Government wants the Saudi oil too much to do more than bleat ineffectually. "

We all need Saudi oil - as I understand it (i could be wrong), one of the reasons that Putin has not been able to fully achieve his objectives in the Ukraine, is that cheap oil from the OPEC countries has stopped him from holding the west to ransom by cutting of Russian Gas - or something like that.

We all use oil in one way or another so whether we like it or not we (the UK) have to do business with Saudi.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Home made.oh I see. Silly man then. He knows it's forbidden."

Especially in the same area as Mecca!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Home made.oh I see. Silly man then. He knows it's forbidden.

Especially in the same area as Mecca!"
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He wouldn't be in Mecca though would he!

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man over a year ago

Stourbridge

Having spent time in Saudi , I can confirm its a strange place. I saw everything from ultra modern sky scrapers to Beduin tented encampments. KFC, Claire's Accessories, IKEA and camels with legs tied on the back of station wagons.

Real contradictions.

Asian labour forced to step off the pavement if a Saudi walks past, people driving with kids on dashboard of the car , running red lights as "Allah will protect". Having a meal in a "family" restaurant , which means in the middle of the floor there is a wooden shed with no windows where women and kids eat whilst you sit outside in normal conditions. Opulent wealth and the squalor of Asian workers living in shipping containers with no facilities in 50 degree heat.

Women who's husband has divorced them or died begging in street as they are simply thrown out of their home. Public, televised executions. Workers who's passports are withheld to stop them leaving the country. Asian "family" drivers who are forced to have sex with the many wives (sounds great but in practise awful as many are filthy and riddled with STI's etc.

Cross the causeway to Bahrain and stand in the bar of the Gulf Hotel next to Oxford educated Saudis in full costume drinking Guiness or Carling whilst watching a 4'8" (I checked) Phillipino woman playing a Stratocaster and singing Sweet Home Alabama.

He was there for the money. He knows the risk of taking it off compound. Must have got complacent.

It's a horrible barbaric place. If he's been there 25 years then he knows better.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Home made.oh I see. Silly man then. He knows it's forbidden.

Especially in the same area as Mecca!.

He wouldn't be in Mecca though would he!"
I thought mecca was a bingo hall. Are they allowed to gamble lol

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By *inaTitzTV/TS over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

I wonder how many people over there are into BDSM?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People moaning about it being religious laws so they don't apply to him will be the same people who think Muslims should follow our cultural ways if they live in the U.K.

He knew the rules and he knew the consequences so why should he be excused?"
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Islamic law applies to everyone, not just Muslims!

It's still a religious law though so quite frankly I'm against it and the uk government should do all in its power to repeal his sentence

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Home made.oh I see. Silly man then. He knows it's forbidden.

Especially in the same area as Mecca!.

He wouldn't be in Mecca though would he!"

I didn't say he was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Home made.oh I see. Silly man then. He knows it's forbidden.

Especially in the same area as Mecca!.

He wouldn't be in Mecca though would he! I thought mecca was a bingo hall. Are they allowed to gamble lol

"
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No, your not even allowed into Mecca unless you're Muslim.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"I wonder how many people over there are into BDSM? "

Bloody Disgusting Saudi Men?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wonder how many people over there are into BDSM?

Bloody Disgusting Saudi Men? "

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

There are many countries with laws that we would consider extremely barbaric, especially in relation to the crime committed.

Saudi Arabia still hands out eye gouging, hand amputation (for theft), beheading and flogging

Iran has chemical blinding, stoning to death, and amputation.

Parts of Nigeria also have amputation

Singapore administers caning for many offences, including over staying on a 90 day tourist visa.

But in the case in question, I'm sure the man knew the punishment if caught, and he obviously thought it worth the risk. I'm sure if you asked him today if it was worth it or not he would probably say it wasn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

send in team america world police

FUCK YEAH!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a brutal dictatorship that murders and represses it's own citizens and kills foreigners!

The west loves telling us that Assad, Gaddafi, Hussein and Mubarak had to go because of it..

Let's bomb Riyadh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

guilty is simple

but im thinking that many lashes will kill an old man

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If people don't respect the laws of the land then they get everything coming to them.

Just like I would expect them to abide by our rules.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Home made.oh I see. Silly man then. He knows it's forbidden.

Especially in the same area as Mecca!.

He wouldn't be in Mecca though would he! I thought mecca was a bingo hall. Are they allowed to gamble lol

No, your not even allowed into Mecca unless you're Muslim."

Yes, I'm not allowed in Buckingham palace as I'm not in the royal family. However, if i was seen breaking a law near there i could expect to get dealt with more severely than if i was breaking the law in East Ham which is in the same area (greater London) do you see?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There are many countries with laws that we would consider extremely barbaric, especially in relation to the crime committed.

Saudi Arabia still hands out eye gouging, hand amputation (for theft), beheading and flogging

Iran has chemical blinding, stoning to death, and amputation.

Parts of Nigeria also have amputation

Singapore administers caning for many offences, including over staying on a 90 day tourist visa.

There all countries using religious law... Laws passed down by God himself...

There's plenty of Saudi scholars that will tell you these laws are not suitable or workable in the 21 century

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By *hrobinhoodMan over a year ago

arnold, Nottingham

If he's from fab he might enjoy the lashes lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If people don't respect the laws of the land then they get everything coming to them.

Just like I would expect them to abide by our rules. "
but they don't! !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK? "

Yeah it would be fair, though it's not necessarily right. He broke the law of a country that he entered willingly and legally therefore he has to accept the laws and punishments of that country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If people don't respect the laws of the land then they get everything coming to them.

Just like I would expect them to abide by our rules. but they don't! !!"

Who's "they"?

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

What makes you think that ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK?

Yeah it would be fair, though it's not necessarily right. He broke the law of a country that he entered willingly and legally therefore he has to accept the laws and punishments of that country."
true but if a Saudi man broke our laws in our country I'd want them deporting cos our country would treat them like royalty compared to their own. They would get of lighter than the British man in Saudi.

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"There are many countries with laws that we would consider extremely barbaric, especially in relation to the crime committed.

Saudi Arabia still hands out eye gouging, hand amputation (for theft), beheading and flogging

Iran has chemical blinding, stoning to death, and amputation.

Parts of Nigeria also have amputation

Singapore administers caning for many offences, including over staying on a 90 day tourist visa.

There all countries using religious law... Laws passed down by God himself...

There's plenty of Saudi scholars that will tell you these laws are not suitable or workable in the 21 century"

tell me more of how we've banned all drugs except for the one in the good book?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People should know and follow the laws of the countries they visit. That is true. He broke a law, so he deserves punishment.

However, I can't justify cruel and unusual punishment by simply saying "well, that's their law." As humans, some things are just wrong. I know this gets back to a wider issue of cultural relativism, but sometimes it's necessary to discuss.

I'm from the US, where we freely use the death penalty. I believe it is wrong. And if someone from a country that outlawed the death penalty, usually for human rights reasons, was going to be executed for a crime, I wouldn't blame that person's government for stepping in. Some things aren't ok, regardless of the law.

-Courtney

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If people don't respect the laws of the land then they get everything coming to them.

Just like I would expect them to abide by our rules. but they don't! !!

Who's "they"?"
no one in particular.

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"If people don't respect the laws of the land then they get everything coming to them.

Just like I would expect them to abide by our rules. but they don't! !!

Who's "they"?"

cringe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If people don't respect the laws of the land then they get everything coming to them.

Just like I would expect them to abide by our rules. but they don't! !!

Who's "they"?"

People who don't respect the laws of the land . What you getting at ?

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By *oward1978Man over a year ago

Rotherham

The sentence is total overkill. Any sane person knows that. It certainly doesn't fit the crime but that's how they do things over there. They still live by the same sort of laws as we did back in the middle ages before we realised they were totally bonkers and inhumane.

Why anyone would want to live in such a repressive society is beyond me. But this guy chose to live there and must have known the potential consequences of his actions.

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By *eanut Butter CupWoman over a year ago

B & M Bargains

"People moaning about it being religious laws so they don't apply to him will be the same people who think Muslims should follow our cultural ways if they live in the U.K.

He knew the rules and he knew the consequences so why should he be excused?.

Islamic law applies to everyone, not just Muslims!

It's still a religious law though so quite frankly I'm against it and the uk government should do all in its power to repeal his sentence"

Islamic law applies because it is an Islamic country.

Why should he not have to follow the law? He lived there 25 years, but seems to think the laws don't apply to him any more because he is old and frail?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What makes you think that ?"

My mum and dad weren't royal. So I'm not either....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If people don't respect the laws of the land then they get everything coming to them.

Just like I would expect them to abide by our rules. but they don't! !!

Who's "they"?

cringe

"
obviously I meant people from another country. Any country.

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"If people don't respect the laws of the land then they get everything coming to them.

Just like I would expect them to abide by our rules. but they don't! !!

Who's "they"?

cringe

obviously I meant people from another country. Any country. "

I know you did, it was perfectly clear. my raised eyes weren't at you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If people don't respect the laws of the land then they get everything coming to them.

Just like I would expect them to abide by our rules. but they don't! !!

Who's "they"?

cringe

obviously I meant people from another country. Any country.

I know you did, it was perfectly clear. my raised eyes weren't at you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's probably more about the humilation isn't it. Apparently it's a pretty soft whip that they use. The last thing the saudi's want is some foreign dude to drop dead at their local fetish party LOL.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK?

Yeah it would be fair, though it's not necessarily right. He broke the law of a country that he entered willingly and legally therefore he has to accept the laws and punishments of that country. true but if a Saudi man broke our laws in our country I'd want them deporting cos our country would treat them like royalty compared to their own. They would get of lighter than the British man in Saudi. "

That's an entirely speculative assumption. It assumes that one government is more elitist in punitive measures than the other. Saudi Arabia is far more lenient towards the rich than we would ever be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's probably more about the humilation isn't it. Apparently it's a pretty soft whip that they use. The last thing the saudi's want is some foreign dude to drop dead at their local fetish party LOL."
soft whip. Sounds kinky lol.

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man over a year ago

Stourbridge

The sticks they use are springy but not soft. I've seen then used at very close quarters by the Religious Police, if you think that is painless then you are very wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK?

Yeah it would be fair, though it's not necessarily right. He broke the law of a country that he entered willingly and legally therefore he has to accept the laws and punishments of that country. true but if a Saudi man broke our laws in our country I'd want them deporting cos our country would treat them like royalty compared to their own. They would get of lighter than the British man in Saudi.

That's an entirely speculative assumption. It assumes that one government is more elitist in punitive measures than the other. Saudi Arabia is far more lenient towards the rich than we would ever be. "
so u think British laws are the same as Saudi laws?? Am I missing something? When did a thief get his hand chopped off in Britain or get publicly flogged. Hanged publicly etc???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People should know and follow the laws of the countries they visit. That is true. He broke a law, so he deserves punishment.

-Courtney"
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Hoorah for the sensible American!

In fact the UK government does try to intervene in death penalty sentences of UK citizens and the European union will not allow drugs used for it to be exported either

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?"

If you go there you know not to do it? Dont disrespect the local culture your a guest there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I get frustrated when people flout the law on the assumption it doesn't apply to them.

With that said, it is very draconian. This is exactly why the MOJ should not be entering into commercial transactions with the Saudi's and their prisons.

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By *rivate auditionsMan over a year ago

West Midlands

"It's 350 lashes. He's worked out there for 25 years so knew the risk. Whatever we think of the laws of other countries they should be respected "

And so should OUR laws when they visit this country!,They break ours with an arrogant swagger and think they are above our laws but get away with it because of "Cultural Differences".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK?

Yeah it would be fair, though it's not necessarily right. He broke the law of a country that he entered willingly and legally therefore he has to accept the laws and punishments of that country. true but if a Saudi man broke our laws in our country I'd want them deporting cos our country would treat them like royalty compared to their own. They would get of lighter than the British man in Saudi.

That's an entirely speculative assumption. It assumes that one government is more elitist in punitive measures than the other. Saudi Arabia is far more lenient towards the rich than we would ever be. so u think British laws are the same as Saudi laws?? Am I missing something? When did a thief get his hand chopped off in Britain or get publicly flogged. Hanged publicly etc???"

Is that at all what i said? I was pointing out that while both Britain and Saudi are more lenient to the mega rich. Britain is the more willing to dish out (its own form) of punishment to rich law breakers. In Saudi Arabia however these punishments are very rarely given to the elite in society.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My mate works there, he was telling me how a woman was dragged from her home screaming before having her head cut off. Why you ask? Child abuse. And before you applaud, the abuse was that she hadn't forced her son to go to their version of Sunday school. Welcome to 2015...BC.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's 350 lashes. He's worked out there for 25 years so knew the risk. Whatever we think of the laws of other countries they should be respected

And so should OUR laws when they visit this country!,They break ours with an arrogant swagger and think they are above our laws but get away with it because of "Cultural Differences".

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couldn't agree more. One rule for the brits thousands of rules for the "visitors".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Frankly I don't understand why any westerner would want to live in a company with so little Liberty, freedom and respect for human life! "

MONEY.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK?

Yeah it would be fair, though it's not necessarily right. He broke the law of a country that he entered willingly and legally therefore he has to accept the laws and punishments of that country. true but if a Saudi man broke our laws in our country I'd want them deporting cos our country would treat them like royalty compared to their own. They would get of lighter than the British man in Saudi.

That's an entirely speculative assumption. It assumes that one government is more elitist in punitive measures than the other. Saudi Arabia is far more lenient towards the rich than we would ever be. so u think British laws are the same as Saudi laws?? Am I missing something? When did a thief get his hand chopped off in Britain or get publicly flogged. Hanged publicly etc???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"He must respect their laws, it's a whole different world over there"

Its not just Law, its part of religion, and yet when Saudi's come over to UK and stay in Gleneagles hotel they fill themselves full of whisky and wine, guess religion goes out of the window when suited.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And so should OUR laws when they visit this country!,They break ours with an arrogant swagger and think they are above our laws but get away with it because of "Cultural Differences".

EXACTLY

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People should know and follow the laws of the countries they visit. That is true. He broke a law, so he deserves punishment.

-Courtney.

Hoorah for the sensible American!

In fact the UK government does try to intervene in death penalty sentences of UK citizens and the European union will not allow drugs used for it to be exported either"

Yes, but extrapolation is key. Just as they intervene in US death penalty cases, so too should they intervene in other cases where the punishment flouts human rights norms.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK?

Yeah it would be fair, though it's not necessarily right. He broke the law of a country that he entered willingly and legally therefore he has to accept the laws and punishments of that country. true but if a Saudi man broke our laws in our country I'd want them deporting cos our country would treat them like royalty compared to their own. They would get of lighter than the British man in Saudi.

That's an entirely speculative assumption. It assumes that one government is more elitist in punitive measures than the other. Saudi Arabia is far more lenient towards the rich than we would ever be. so u think British laws are the same as Saudi laws?? Am I missing something? When did a thief get his hand chopped off in Britain or get publicly flogged. Hanged publicly etc???

I'd like to concede that i don't agree with the punishment at all. Just that it's difficult to help him when he knew the risks of doing such a thing having lived there for such a long time.

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By *b coupleCouple over a year ago

southampton

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?"

When in Rome.

If you travel you should make yourself aware of the country's traditions and laws.

You have to be pretty stupid to do that in such a county. The world knows how the Saudis work. Very very strict.

We went Dubai last year and was surprised the way British tourists behaved. Getting d*unk and then leaving the resort. Wearing clothes that they know is disrespectful to the locals.

Tbh. We British are probably the worst tourists in the world.

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"The sticks they use are springy but not soft. I've seen then used at very close quarters by the Religious Police, if you think that is painless then you are very wrong. "

ive just watched the radif badawi video and its laughable. far more lenient than a prison centence.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK?

Yeah it would be fair, though it's not necessarily right. He broke the law of a country that he entered willingly and legally therefore he has to accept the laws and punishments of that country. true but if a Saudi man broke our laws in our country I'd want them deporting cos our country would treat them like royalty compared to their own. They would get of lighter than the British man in Saudi.

That's an entirely speculative assumption. It assumes that one government is more elitist in punitive measures than the other. Saudi Arabia is far more lenient towards the rich than we would ever be. so u think British laws are the same as Saudi laws?? Am I missing something? When did a thief get his hand chopped off in Britain or get publicly flogged. Hanged publicly etc???

I'd like to concede that i don't agree with the punishment at all. Just that it's difficult to help him when he knew the risks of doing such a thing having lived there for such a long time. "
I agree. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. I'm saying why is our law so lenient when non British people break the law in this country. We get punished in theirs .they get told of in ours.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?"
well done. You caused a real debate and didn't even join in. Lol

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

I think it is outrageous, they should change their lass to suit us, after all we do it for everyone else.

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By *ormerWelshcouple2020Man over a year ago

Stourbridge

"The sticks they use are springy but not soft. I've seen then used at very close quarters by the Religious Police, if you think that is painless then you are very wrong.

ive just watched the radif badawi video and its laughable. far more lenient than a prison centence. "

Quite possibly so, I've stood 2 feet from it and seen the blood and marks. To reiterate I think he's been a fool, 12 months in jail is more than enough and I would hate for him to receive the lashes.

The place is awful. I'm glad I don't have occasion to go anymore.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think they are all totally bonkers anyway. The world's misfortune is that these jokers sit on half the world's oil resources and we have to lick their butts or else.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?well done. You caused a real debate and didn't even join in. Lol

Oh, he excels at that. I'm gonna buy him a giant wooden spoon.

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?well done. You caused a real debate and didn't even join in. Lol

Oh, he excels at that. I'm gonna buy him a giant wooden spoon. "

borrow shags

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?well done. You caused a real debate and didn't even join in. Lol

Oh, he excels at that. I'm gonna buy him a giant wooden spoon. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As a well travelled couple ,i have to say if you break the laws in a different country you deserve whats coming to you,if you are going to break the law then atleast be informed of the potential punishment, £1000 says he wont do it again haha

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By *irtyGirlWoman over a year ago

Edinburgh

I've removed some posts... please can you steer clear of the chat about drugs. Admin aren't fans.

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By *he tactile technicianMan over a year ago

the good lands, the bad lands, the any where you may want me lands

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?"

He was out on the lash?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Seems to me the only reason this story is making the news in this country is because the silly foolish man is British....

Although I don't condone the severity of his punishment, but I don't think his plight warrants any diplomatic intervention.

Pretty much what I thought on reading the article this morning.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Seems to me the only reason this story is making the news in this country is because the silly foolish man is British....

Although I don't condone the severity of his punishment, but I don't think his plight warrants any diplomatic intervention.

Pretty much what I thought on reading the article this morning. "

+ 1. Draconian laws, but he knew better and fell foul of those draconian laws.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?

He was out on the lash?"

No. He wasn't just a tourist who didn't know better.

He lived their for years. To get around the alcohol laws he brewed his own. If he was transporting 6 bottles on his car this doesn't look like it was just for personal consumption

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?

He was out on the lash?

No. He wasn't just a tourist who didn't know better.

He lived their for years. To get around the alcohol laws he brewed his own. If he was transporting 6 bottles on his car this doesn't look like it was just for personal consumption

I think a big

WHOOOOOOOSH is in order

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?

He was out on the lash?

No. He wasn't just a tourist who didn't know better.

He lived their for years. To get around the alcohol laws he brewed his own. If he was transporting 6 bottles on his car this doesn't look like it was just for personal consumption

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he'd of got a similar sentence in the uk. just different over their.

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?

He was out on the lash?

No. He wasn't just a tourist who didn't know better.

He lived their for years. To get around the alcohol laws he brewed his own. If he was transporting 6 bottles on his car this doesn't look like it was just for personal consumption

I think a big

WHOOOOOOOSH is in order

I did whooosh but bottled it as the post might of referred to the beging of the post

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ive just been watching this article on the news. He was found with 6 bottles of wine on his car. Sentenced to a year in jail and 300 lashs in public.

The sentence seems harsh, but he must have known about the strict Saudi alcohol laws.

Your thoughts?"

It is harsh and they did say they would review the sentence. But I agree in their country it is as bad as carrying drugs and we have to respect their culture, not neccesarilly agree with it when our sentences are so soft.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

Covering this item now on Radio 2, Jeremy Vine

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By *icentiousCouple over a year ago

Up on them there hills

As one who has been caught taking alcohol into Saud, I know there are always two sides to a story.

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Yep. Anyone would think it medieval.

Tbh, I'm more concerned about the teenager who faces beheading a crucifixion for some supposed 'treason', or that Indian woman/slave who had her arm cut off by her irritated employer.

They do things differently in Saudi, but they're a good buyer of UK arms so let's not make a fuss, eh?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As one who has been caught taking alcohol into Saud, I know there are always two sides to a story.

considering how long they take to go through your luggage + we all know - you're not gonna import anything dodgy there.

so what did you say wrong?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

Not read the thread but he knew what the law was in Saudi, hardly a secret that they have certain 'red lines' on some things..

and whilst its a harsh punishment yes, how does abide by the rules of the place your currently living in sound..?

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

Well well well... From the FCO's travel advice to Saudi...

"The Saudi legal system differs in many ways from the UK. Suspects can be held without charge and are not always allowed quick access to legal representation. The Saudi authorities have detained witnesses and victims of crimes. If you need consular assistance, British Embassy staff will try to visit you as soon as they are aware of the case, but in some instances Embassy staff have not been permitted to do so immediately or have had access limited."

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By *icky999Man over a year ago

warrington

people keep on saying the punishment is harsh, what does anybody think he'd receive for a similar offence in the uk?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Wouldn't it be fairer to just deport him back to the UK?

Yeah it would be fair, though it's not necessarily right. He broke the law of a country that he entered willingly and legally therefore he has to accept the laws and punishments of that country. true but if a Saudi man broke our laws in our country I'd want them deporting cos our country would treat them like royalty compared to their own. They would get of lighter than the British man in Saudi.

That's an entirely speculative assumption. It assumes that one government is more elitist in punitive measures than the other. Saudi Arabia is far more lenient towards the rich than we would ever be. so u think British laws are the same as Saudi laws?? Am I missing something? When did a thief get his hand chopped off in Britain or get publicly flogged. Hanged publicly etc???

I'd like to concede that i don't agree with the punishment at all. Just that it's difficult to help him when he knew the risks of doing such a thing having lived there for such a long time. I agree. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished. I'm saying why is our law so lenient when non British people break the law in this country. We get punished in theirs .they get told of in ours."

then surely any such increase in punishment would be for all yes, and not just 'none British?..?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"people keep on saying the punishment is harsh, what does anybody think he'd receive for a similar offence in the uk? "

Is it even an offence over here?

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