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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Saw her fly over Cambridge
I was gutted I missed that, only found out afterwards
I was right at the end of the runway
Nice!! "
Fantasy gets better and better. If only she was after singles  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Am i missing something its just a plane?"
And a car is just a car, but for some it has a special beauty, and represents some great British engineering, and the end of an era |
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"Saw her fly over Cambridge
I was gutted I missed that, only found out afterwards
I was right at the end of the runway
Nice!!
Fantasy gets better and better. If only she was after singles "
Ah Millers your making me blush  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Am i missing something its just a plane?"
It's not 'just' a plane.
It's the last flying V-Bomber, a wonderful piece of British engineering, a testiment to the dedication of the men and women who restored her (most donated their time and skills for free) and the end of an era. |
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"Am i missing something its just a plane?
And a car is just a car, but for some it has a special beauty, and represents some great British engineering, and the end of an era"
Fair enough id rather look at a ducati 916 though |
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"Am i missing something its just a plane?
And a car is just a car, but for some it has a special beauty, and represents some great British engineering, and the end of an era
Fair enough id rather look at a ducati 916 though"
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And as it should be, each to their own. I like both. Had a fantastic time in the Pramac pits at San Marino MGP. And the Kawasaki pit. Couldn't take pictures in Pramac though, unfortunately.
Coventry airport museum had/have a Vulcan that you can get onboard. There is a former RAF guy in cockpit that tells you all about it. (M) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Saw her fly over Cambridge
I was gutted I missed that, only found out afterwards
I was right at the end of the runway
Nice!!
Fantasy gets better and better. If only she was after singles
Ah Millers your making me blush "
Rather make you do something else |
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Gutted that we are going to miss this beautiful planes last flight, hopefully a few of our friends will take video and photo footage for us to see at a later date.
I've been lucky enough to have witnessed the Vulcan flying on quite a few occasions.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Am i missing something its just a plane?
And a car is just a car, but for some it has a special beauty, and represents some great British engineering, and the end of an era
Fair enough id rather look at a ducati 916 though.
And as it should be, each to their own. I like both. Had a fantastic time in the Pramac pits at San Marino MGP. And the Kawasaki pit. Couldn't take pictures in Pramac though, unfortunately.
Coventry airport museum had/have a Vulcan that you can get onboard. There is a former RAF guy in cockpit that tells you all about it. (M)"
You went to san marino gp!!! Im jealous,home of no.58 RIP marco |
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"Am i missing something its just a plane?
And a car is just a car, but for some it has a special beauty, and represents some great British engineering, and the end of an era
Fair enough id rather look at a ducati 916 though.
And as it should be, each to their own. I like both. Had a fantastic time in the Pramac pits at San Marino MGP. And the Kawasaki pit. Couldn't take pictures in Pramac though, unfortunately.
Coventry airport museum had/have a Vulcan that you can get onboard. There is a former RAF guy in cockpit that tells you all about it. (M)
You went to san marino gp!!! Im jealous,home of no.58 RIP marco"
Yes, went to the museum in his hometown too. Have his picture on the wall as I type this. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Unfortunately I'm going to miss both days (crying emoticon)
This wont be the last ever flight though, that will be at the end of the month.
Such a shame we will never hear that howl ever again, sends chills down my spine every time I see a utube video of her.
Btw, she is not just a plane, she is the most beautiful lady of the air.
Robin hood airport is gonna be busy with onlookers.... hope they keep out of the way this weekend.  |
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"Am i missing something its just a plane?
And a car is just a car, but for some it has a special beauty, and represents some great British engineering, and the end of an era
Fair enough id rather look at a ducati 916 though"
I must be missing something. That's only a bike. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Am i missing something its just a plane?
And a car is just a car, but for some it has a special beauty, and represents some great British engineering, and the end of an era
Fair enough id rather look at a ducati 916 though
I must be missing something. That's only a bike. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Caught it at Gaydon on Sunday. Love one last glimpse. So where is it at this weekend OP?"
It's doing a northern route Saturday and a southern route Sunday, the routes are on their facebook page and I'm assuming their website  |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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My next favourite aircraft after the SR-71
As a child I used to fantasise being at the controls of the Blackbird. Oh, what I wouldn't do for an opportunity to run my fingers along that smooth polymer skin
Have a great day OP; wave at her for me |
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"My next favourite aircraft after the SR-71
As a child I used to fantasise being at the controls of the Blackbird. Oh, what I wouldn't do for an opportunity to run my fingers along that smooth polymer skin
Have a great day OP; wave at her for me"
Blackbird was titanium skinned wasn't she?
Cause I'd have thought fiberglass of that era would have burnt at the temperature the blackbirds skin reached |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"My next favourite aircraft after the SR-71
As a child I used to fantasise being at the controls of the Blackbird. Oh, what I wouldn't do for an opportunity to run my fingers along that smooth polymer skin
Have a great day OP; wave at her for me
Blackbird was titanium skinned wasn't she?
Cause I'd have thought fiberglass of that era would have burnt at the temperature the blackbirds skin reached "
85% Titanium; the Polymer composite was very expensive
My brother had a model which came with a little book. I memorised it |
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"My next favourite aircraft after the SR-71
As a child I used to fantasise being at the controls of the Blackbird. Oh, what I wouldn't do for an opportunity to run my fingers along that smooth polymer skin
Have a great day OP; wave at her for me
Blackbird was titanium skinned wasn't she?
Cause I'd have thought fiberglass of that era would have burnt at the temperature the blackbirds skin reached
85% Titanium; the Polymer composite was very expensive
My brother had a model which came with a little book. I memorised it"
Heh cool I know all the leading edges had to be titanium etc as even with cooling they were all about 600c hence all the corrugated bits that look like they were nicked from a junker lol.
Was it the y21 that was the intercepter based on it that they denyed existing for about a decade after official confirming the sr71 existed.
Polymers for aircraft are horrible things especially proper laminated carbon fiber so much hassle to work with and so vulnerable to damage during construction.
Titanium is also a pain, I can't imagine having to drill off titanium panels to titanium airframe parts (or CF panels to titanium frames) must have taken forever to do |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"My next favourite aircraft after the SR-71
As a child I used to fantasise being at the controls of the Blackbird. Oh, what I wouldn't do for an opportunity to run my fingers along that smooth polymer skin
Have a great day OP; wave at her for me
Blackbird was titanium skinned wasn't she?
Cause I'd have thought fiberglass of that era would have burnt at the temperature the blackbirds skin reached
85% Titanium; the Polymer composite was very expensive
My brother had a model which came with a little book. I memorised it
Heh cool I know all the leading edges had to be titanium etc as even with cooling they were all about 600c hence all the corrugated bits that look like they were nicked from a junker lol.
Was it the y21 that was the intercepter based on it that they denyed existing for about a decade after official confirming the sr71 existed.
Polymers for aircraft are horrible things especially proper laminated carbon fiber so much hassle to work with and so vulnerable to damage during construction.
Titanium is also a pain, I can't imagine having to drill off titanium panels to titanium airframe parts (or CF panels to titanium frames) must have taken forever to do"
Lockheed used a Titanium alloy which softened at lower temperatures. They washed the welded Titanium with distilled water to prevent Chlorine contamination
Watching Delta wings does something indescribable to me. The last time I cried was when Concorde was decommisioned |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My next favourite aircraft after the SR-71
As a child I used to fantasise being at the controls of the Blackbird. Oh, what I wouldn't do for an opportunity to run my fingers along that smooth polymer skin
Have a great day OP; wave at her for me
Blackbird was titanium skinned wasn't she?
Cause I'd have thought fiberglass of that era would have burnt at the temperature the blackbirds skin reached
85% Titanium; the Polymer composite was very expensive
My brother had a model which came with a little book. I memorised it
Heh cool I know all the leading edges had to be titanium etc as even with cooling they were all about 600c hence all the corrugated bits that look like they were nicked from a junker lol.
Was it the y21 that was the intercepter based on it that they denyed existing for about a decade after official confirming the sr71 existed.
Polymers for aircraft are horrible things especially proper laminated carbon fiber so much hassle to work with and so vulnerable to damage during construction.
Titanium is also a pain, I can't imagine having to drill off titanium panels to titanium airframe parts (or CF panels to titanium frames) must have taken forever to do
Lockheed used a Titanium alloy which softened at lower temperatures. They washed the welded Titanium with distilled water to prevent Chlorine contamination
Watching Delta wings does something indescribable to me. The last time I cried was when Concorde was decommisioned "
Softening at lower temp only really helps you for the forging processes when your drilling the vast at studded you'll be pouring so much coolant on it will never get hot enough to soften (if it does you've just scrapped the whole thing off lol).
Both titanium and carbon eat drill bits, |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"My next favourite aircraft after the SR-71
As a child I used to fantasise being at the controls of the Blackbird. Oh, what I wouldn't do for an opportunity to run my fingers along that smooth polymer skin
Have a great day OP; wave at her for me
Blackbird was titanium skinned wasn't she?
Cause I'd have thought fiberglass of that era would have burnt at the temperature the blackbirds skin reached
85% Titanium; the Polymer composite was very expensive
My brother had a model which came with a little book. I memorised it
Heh cool I know all the leading edges had to be titanium etc as even with cooling they were all about 600c hence all the corrugated bits that look like they were nicked from a junker lol.
Was it the y21 that was the intercepter based on it that they denyed existing for about a decade after official confirming the sr71 existed.
Polymers for aircraft are horrible things especially proper laminated carbon fiber so much hassle to work with and so vulnerable to damage during construction.
Titanium is also a pain, I can't imagine having to drill off titanium panels to titanium airframe parts (or CF panels to titanium frames) must have taken forever to do
Lockheed used a Titanium alloy which softened at lower temperatures. They washed the welded Titanium with distilled water to prevent Chlorine contamination
Watching Delta wings does something indescribable to me. The last time I cried was when Concorde was decommisioned
Softening at lower temp only really helps you for the forging processes when your drilling the vast at studded you'll be pouring so much coolant on it will never get hot enough to soften (if it does you've just scrapped the whole thing off lol).
Both titanium and carbon eat drill bits, "
I don't know anything about metallurgy. Just a little about wing design. An ex-boyfriend was an engineer at BAC doing stress tests on the Concorde wings when he started. He used to tell me a lot about the equipment and techniques they used |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My next favourite aircraft after the SR-71
As a child I used to fantasise being at the controls of the Blackbird. Oh, what I wouldn't do for an opportunity to run my fingers along that smooth polymer skin
Have a great day OP; wave at her for me
Blackbird was titanium skinned wasn't she?
Cause I'd have thought fiberglass of that era would have burnt at the temperature the blackbirds skin reached
85% Titanium; the Polymer composite was very expensive
My brother had a model which came with a little book. I memorised it
Heh cool I know all the leading edges had to be titanium etc as even with cooling they were all about 600c hence all the corrugated bits that look like they were nicked from a junker lol.
Was it the y21 that was the intercepter based on it that they denyed existing for about a decade after official confirming the sr71 existed.
Polymers for aircraft are horrible things especially proper laminated carbon fiber so much hassle to work with and so vulnerable to damage during construction.
Titanium is also a pain, I can't imagine having to drill off titanium panels to titanium airframe parts (or CF panels to titanium frames) must have taken forever to do
Lockheed used a Titanium alloy which softened at lower temperatures. They washed the welded Titanium with distilled water to prevent Chlorine contamination
Watching Delta wings does something indescribable to me. The last time I cried was when Concorde was decommisioned
Softening at lower temp only really helps you for the forging processes when your drilling the vast at studded you'll be pouring so much coolant on it will never get hot enough to soften (if it does you've just scrapped the whole thing off lol).
Both titanium and carbon eat drill bits,
I don't know anything about metallurgy. Just a little about wing design. An ex-boyfriend was an engineer at BAC doing stress tests on the Concorde wings when he started. He used to tell me a lot about the equipment and techniques they used"
I build them for a living lol.
Used to do the drilling on a380 engine mounts (massive titanium castings/forgings) and also had to do some carbon fibre work for 350 but managed to get into a Cushy electrical job now lol.
The amount of processes that go into just making and bolting one hole are surprising.
Personal I'm hoping if reaction engines gets the saber engine working airbus gets the contract to do the airframe etc I'd love to work on a space plane
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"My next favourite aircraft after the SR-71
As a child I used to fantasise being at the controls of the Blackbird. Oh, what I wouldn't do for an opportunity to run my fingers along that smooth polymer skin
Have a great day OP; wave at her for me
Blackbird was titanium skinned wasn't she?
Cause I'd have thought fiberglass of that era would have burnt at the temperature the blackbirds skin reached
85% Titanium; the Polymer composite was very expensive
My brother had a model which came with a little book. I memorised it
Heh cool I know all the leading edges had to be titanium etc as even with cooling they were all about 600c hence all the corrugated bits that look like they were nicked from a junker lol.
Was it the y21 that was the intercepter based on it that they denyed existing for about a decade after official confirming the sr71 existed.
Polymers for aircraft are horrible things especially proper laminated carbon fiber so much hassle to work with and so vulnerable to damage during construction.
Titanium is also a pain, I can't imagine having to drill off titanium panels to titanium airframe parts (or CF panels to titanium frames) must have taken forever to do
Lockheed used a Titanium alloy which softened at lower temperatures. They washed the welded Titanium with distilled water to prevent Chlorine contamination
Watching Delta wings does something indescribable to me. The last time I cried was when Concorde was decommisioned
Softening at lower temp only really helps you for the forging processes when your drilling the vast at studded you'll be pouring so much coolant on it will never get hot enough to soften (if it does you've just scrapped the whole thing off lol).
Both titanium and carbon eat drill bits,
I don't know anything about metallurgy. Just a little about wing design. An ex-boyfriend was an engineer at BAC doing stress tests on the Concorde wings when he started. He used to tell me a lot about the equipment and techniques they used
I build them for a living lol.
Used to do the drilling on a380 engine mounts (massive titanium castings/forgings) and also had to do some carbon fibre work for 350 but managed to get into a Cushy electrical job now lol.
The amount of processes that go into just making and bolting one hole are surprising.
Personal I'm hoping if reaction engines gets the saber engine working airbus gets the contract to do the airframe etc I'd love to work on a space plane
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Wanna go out on a date?
Sorry, got carried away; have a good day; xxx |
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As a kid, I lived on the flight path for Coventry Airport and saw all sorts that attended the show.
The Vulcan was noisey but it sounded heavy too. Came over every year.
The Starfighter was way way noisier and screamed for attention.
Concorde was off the charts beautiful. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"Hehe I am weirdly bored by planes but utterly fascinated by the engineering and techniques used to build them.
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I know very little about the engineering but can fly them and a long time ago, did 6 hours on a multi-engine too  |
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D used to fly on Concorde regularly. She held it up once in Bahrain when she fell asleep in the lounge.
I know one if the guys who flew the test flights on the "flying bedstead " development base for the Harrier. Seems we have a few Aircraft fans here!
SR 71 is pure sex. When you see it up close it looks like there are large gaps but that's to allow expansion in flight.
Anyone seen Aurora? |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"D used to fly on Concorde regularly. She held it up once in Bahrain when she fell asleep in the lounge.
I know one if the guys who flew the test flights on the "flying bedstead " development base for the Harrier. Seems we have a few Aircraft fans here!
SR 71 is pure sex. When you see it up close it looks like there are large gaps but that's to allow expansion in flight.
Anyone seen Aurora? "
I was lucky enough to watch the Harrier Jump Jet from the VIP enclosure. A guy I knew got me a pass; don't know how he did it and I didn't ask
Anyway, this Harrier came right up close. I think I could almost see the pilot's visor. Such loud thunder and the ground was shaking. Was the best orgasm I've ever had. But I am not telling that to the next guy  |
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"Hehe I am weirdly bored by planes but utterly fascinated by the engineering and techniques used to build them.
I know very little about the engineering but can fly them and a long time ago, did 6 hours on a multi-engine too "
I've never flown, unholy death traps :p |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"Hehe I am weirdly bored by planes but utterly fascinated by the engineering and techniques used to build them.
I know very little about the engineering but can fly them and a long time ago, did 6 hours on a multi-engine too
I've never flown, unholy death traps :p"
I've seen people jump out of them with parachutes for fun; now that is crazy. I would never jump out of a fully serviceable aircraft  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yet another awesome piece of British engineering so sad to see her being grounded. Ive seen her flying at East Fortune Leuchars and Ayr over last few years and it puts the hairs up on the back of my neck. Well done to all at Doncaster for making it happen for as long as they were able. Next one is concorde so i hear !!! .. no joke
(Yes my first fab post lol .. passionate about lots of things not just getn laid lol )
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I saw it, when it flew out of Finningley in June, for that tour
Rode down on the bike, and was on the lane (to Austerfield) at the southern end of the runway with hundreds of other people
A wonderful sight
The old girl will remain at home though, as she was based at Finningley for a few years
"Am i missing something its just a plane?
And a car is just a car, but for some it has a special beauty, and represents some great British engineering, and the end of an era"
Correct!
No fancy computerized controls, just 'fly by wires' (well, hydraulic assistance)
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Saw her last month with the red arrows, got some awesome footage and pics. Looking at the flight map, she may fly over about 3:05pm, or I could get to Barton.
Will miss her, airshows won't be the same |
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"Hehe I am weirdly bored by planes but utterly fascinated by the engineering and techniques used to build them.
I know very little about the engineering but can fly them and a long time ago, did 6 hours on a multi-engine too
I've never flown, unholy death traps :p
I've seen people jump out of them with parachutes for fun; now that is crazy. I would never jump out of a fully serviceable aircraft "
I'd trust the parachute more :p
No chance that some dodgy maintaince fitter had put the wrong bolts in or forgotten the o rings |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"Hehe I am weirdly bored by planes but utterly fascinated by the engineering and techniques used to build them.
I know very little about the engineering but can fly them and a long time ago, did 6 hours on a multi-engine too
I've never flown, unholy death traps :p
I've seen people jump out of them with parachutes for fun; now that is crazy. I would never jump out of a fully serviceable aircraft
I'd trust the parachute more :p
No chance that some dodgy maintaince fitter had put the wrong bolts in or forgotten the o rings "
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"Hehe I am weirdly bored by planes but utterly fascinated by the engineering and techniques used to build them.
I know very little about the engineering but can fly them and a long time ago, did 6 hours on a multi-engine too
I've never flown, unholy death traps :p
I've seen people jump out of them with parachutes for fun; now that is crazy. I would never jump out of a fully serviceable aircraft
I'd trust the parachute more :p
No chance that some dodgy maintaince fitter had put the wrong bolts in or forgotten the o rings
snip, snip "
I should point out at this point I do not speak for the company and we have never lost a plane due to a production issue.
It's always pilots and maintainence staff that have killed our planes :p |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Hehe I am weirdly bored by planes but utterly fascinated by the engineering and techniques used to build them.
I know very little about the engineering but can fly them and a long time ago, did 6 hours on a multi-engine too
I've never flown, unholy death traps :p
I've seen people jump out of them with parachutes for fun; now that is crazy. I would never jump out of a fully serviceable aircraft
I'd trust the parachute more :p
No chance that some dodgy maintaince fitter had put the wrong bolts in or forgotten the o rings
snip, snip "
Oh yeah since youre a pilot you might already know this one but it should be of interest to you
British Airways Flight 5390
There was a documentary too |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
"Hehe I am weirdly bored by planes but utterly fascinated by the engineering and techniques used to build them.
I know very little about the engineering but can fly them and a long time ago, did 6 hours on a multi-engine too
I've never flown, unholy death traps :p
I've seen people jump out of them with parachutes for fun; now that is crazy. I would never jump out of a fully serviceable aircraft
I'd trust the parachute more :p
No chance that some dodgy maintaince fitter had put the wrong bolts in or forgotten the o rings
snip, snip
Oh yeah since youre a pilot you might already know this one but it should be of interest to you
British Airways Flight 5390
There was a documentary too"
Yeah, I had seen that. Means on BA, even the Captain should buy a ticket |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Heading directly over snugburys ice cream in wardle, can't see what times yet though
Cheeky ice cream and vulcan seems a good way to spend a sat afternoon |
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For me, it harks back to a time when Britain had the best technology and engineering brains in the world. This was a class leading aircraft with many advanced avionics for its time. The aesthetic value is a personal thing, I love the pure Delta shape. Actually I really like the Victor, it looks like something from Sci-Fi.
There is also the sentiment of the Falklands raid for some of us.
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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"For me, it harks back to a time when Britain had the best technology and engineering brains in the world. This was a class leading aircraft with many advanced avionics for its time. The aesthetic value is a personal thing, I love the pure Delta shape. Actually I really like the Victor, it looks like something from Sci-Fi.
There is also the sentiment of the Falklands raid for some of us.
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I am not English/British but I have always admired your aeronautical ingenuity in peacetime. We have nothing like the aerospace industry which you had; shame it is all but gone
And yes, the Delta wing is so futuristic; it still looks like something which could cruise through space |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For me, it harks back to a time when Britain had the best technology and engineering brains in the world. This was a class leading aircraft with many advanced avionics for its time. The aesthetic value is a personal thing, I love the pure Delta shape. Actually I really like the Victor, it looks like something from Sci-Fi.
There is also the sentiment of the Falklands raid for some of us.
I am not English/British but I have always admired your aeronautical ingenuity in peacetime. We have nothing like the aerospace industry which you had; shame it is all but gone
And yes, the Delta wing is so futuristic; it still looks like something which could cruise through space "
It does. Yet something the shape of a brick could happily cruise through space... |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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And yes, the Delta wing is so futuristic; it still looks like something which could cruise through space
It does. Yet something the shape of a brick could happily cruise through space..."
Don't ruin my wet dreams by applying logic
I know it doesn't need to be aerodynamic in space |
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By *sh6866Man
over a year ago
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took my 16 yr old daughter to see her at the southport airshow. She'd never seen let alone experienced anything like it.... she almost cried!.especially at the pass with the reds.. BTW, there is an SR71 at richmond airport north carolina you can get very close to. |
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"took my 16 yr old daughter to see her at the southport airshow. She'd never seen let alone experienced anything like it.... she almost cried!.especially at the pass with the reds.. BTW, there is an SR71 at richmond airport north carolina you can get very close to. "
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By *sh6866Man
over a year ago
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we were sure he was going to roll her on the last pass... another 15 degrees, he may as well have done. At least she'll be kept sort of alive and doing runs down the runway at finningley.. just wait for the ' a freak gust of wind that caused it to take off!' |
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"we were sure he was going to roll her on the last pass... another 15 degrees, he may as well have done. At least she'll be kept sort of alive and doing runs down the runway at finningley.. just wait for the ' a freak gust of wind that caused it to take off!'"
XL426 almost done that a few years ago |
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By *jandjbCouple
over a year ago
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"Am i missing something its just a plane?"
Don't think so! 
I've read so far hoping that I'd missed something. Planes don't do it for me. Shall we just slip off together and think of a really sexy subject to discuss? Lol
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By (user no longer on site)
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And yes, the Delta wing is so futuristic; it still looks like something which could cruise through space
It does. Yet something the shape of a brick could happily cruise through space...
Don't ruin my wet dreams by applying logic
I know it doesn't need to be aerodynamic in space"
Look up skylon along with the potential A2 that's what future aircraft will likely look like |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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And yes, the Delta wing is so futuristic; it still looks like something which could cruise through space
It does. Yet something the shape of a brick could happily cruise through space...
Don't ruin my wet dreams by applying logic
I know it doesn't need to be aerodynamic in space
Look up skylon along with the potential A2 that's what future aircraft will likely look like"
I have; I even went to the Skylon just because of the name; I normally wouldn't eat in a place like that
I know that the bi$$ions it will cost could be put to other good an immediate uses. But don't you think that for some things, like finding another home for us, deserves spending that sort of money?
By the way, I still don't know why polymers can't be made as heat-resistant as ceramics. Ceramics are so brittle and can only be applied in small units which keep popping off |
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And yes, the Delta wing is so futuristic; it still looks like something which could cruise through space
It does. Yet something the shape of a brick could happily cruise through space...
Don't ruin my wet dreams by applying logic
I know it doesn't need to be aerodynamic in space
Look up skylon along with the potential A2 that's what future aircraft will likely look like
I have; I even went to the Skylon just because of the name; I normally wouldn't eat in a place like that
I know that the bi$$ions it will cost could be put to other good an immediate uses. But don't you think that for some things, like finding another home for us, deserves spending that sort of money?
By the way, I still don't know why polymers can't be made as heat-resistant as ceramics. Ceramics are so brittle and can only be applied in small units which keep popping off"
Skylon should let us lunch satalites for 15th the cost and without scraping the whole lunch vehicle given were chucking up about 220+ new ones a year that's a massive improvement also kinda environmental friendly lol.
Polymers are all based on hydrocarbons we can make them pretty damn temperature resistant (epoxy resins used for high temperature carbon fibre etc) but there is a limit to the amount of energy the bonds can take before they just break down.
For a heat shield though small tiles is better than one big hull, if a tile gets damaged by an impact or burns through you can replace it if it's one big panel/hull you have to change the whole thing. |
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"For me, it harks back to a time when Britain had the best technology and engineering brains in the world. This was a class leading aircraft with many advanced avionics for its time. The aesthetic value is a personal thing, I love the pure Delta shape. Actually I really like the Victor, it looks like something from Sci-Fi.
There is also the sentiment of the Falklands raid for some of us.
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I agree with the engineering side of things, she was a brilliant plane. After reading the book Sea Harriers over the Falklands, I don't agree with the Falklands bit. |
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By *sh6866Man
over a year ago
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I agree with the engineering side of things, she was a brilliant plane. Aft
er reading the book Sea Harriers over the Falklands, I don't agree with the Falklands bit."
that book is a very interesting read. the numbers and costs involved are staggering as is the ( for want of a better word ) incompetance |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
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I have; I even went to the Skylon just because of the name; I normally wouldn't eat in a place like that
I know that the bi$$ions it will cost could be put to other good an immediate uses. But don't you think that for some things, like finding another home for us, deserves spending that sort of money?
By the way, I still don't know why polymers can't be made as heat-resistant as ceramics. Ceramics are so brittle and can only be applied in small units which keep popping off
Skylon should let us lunch satalites for 15th the cost and without scraping the whole lunch vehicle given were chucking up about 220+ new ones a year that's a massive improvement also kinda environmental friendly lol.
Polymers are all based on hydrocarbons we can make them pretty damn temperature resistant (epoxy resins used for high temperature carbon fibre etc) but there is a limit to the amount of energy the bonds can take before they just break down.
For a heat shield though small tiles is better than one big hull, if a tile gets damaged by an impact or burns through you can replace it if it's one big panel/hull you have to change the whole thing. "
I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
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"Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly."
lol! So VW tell us! And those big mercs and beemers....world renowned for their frugal fuel use! Pull the other one! |
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I agree with the engineering side of things, she was a brilliant plane. Aft
er reading the book Sea Harriers over the Falklands, I don't agree with the Falklands bit.
that book is a very interesting read. the numbers and costs involved are staggering as is the ( for want of a better word ) incompetance"
As I said, the Falklands resonates with some of us for personal reasons, but I agree about the appalling incompetence and waste. Sir Galahad wouldn't have been hit if the Navy had listened to the Army about mooring points, but they weren't going to take advice from anyone.
I've had lunch in the Skylon Tower at Niagra falls if that counts? |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
""Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly."
lol! So VW tell us! And those big mercs and beemers....world renowned for their frugal fuel use! Pull the other one!"
Why do I think I emigrated here. I drive an auto with a 4.3 litre motor; I wouldn't want to contaminate the air at home |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
Wembley |
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I agree with the engineering side of things, she was a brilliant plane. Aft
er reading the book Sea Harriers over the Falklands, I don't agree with the Falklands bit.
that book is a very interesting read. the numbers and costs involved are staggering as is the ( for want of a better word ) incompetance
As I said, the Falklands resonates with some of us for personal reasons, but I agree about the appalling incompetence and waste. Sir Galahad wouldn't have been hit if the Navy had listened to the Army about mooring points, but they weren't going to take advice from anyone.
I've had lunch in the Skylon Tower at Niagra falls if that counts? "
I've been there too. I loved the revolving bit. But that was way before the Skylon concept. It would be more exciting for me now
Did you go on the Maid of the Mist? |
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I have; I even went to the Skylon just because of the name; I normally wouldn't eat in a place like that
I know that the bi$$ions it will cost could be put to other good an immediate uses. But don't you think that for some things, like finding another home for us, deserves spending that sort of money?
By the way, I still don't know why polymers can't be made as heat-resistant as ceramics. Ceramics are so brittle and can only be applied in small units which keep popping off
Skylon should let us lunch satalites for 15th the cost and without scraping the whole lunch vehicle given were chucking up about 220+ new ones a year that's a massive improvement also kinda environmental friendly lol.
Polymers are all based on hydrocarbons we can make them pretty damn temperature resistant (epoxy resins used for high temperature carbon fibre etc) but there is a limit to the amount of energy the bonds can take before they just break down.
For a heat shield though small tiles is better than one big hull, if a tile gets damaged by an impact or burns through you can replace it if it's one big panel/hull you have to change the whole thing.
I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx"
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it. |
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I agree with the engineering side of things, she was a brilliant plane. Aft
er reading the book Sea Harriers over the Falklands, I don't agree with the Falklands bit.
that book is a very interesting read. the numbers and costs involved are staggering as is the ( for want of a better word ) incompetance
As I said, the Falklands resonates with some of us for personal reasons, but I agree about the appalling incompetence and waste. Sir Galahad wouldn't have been hit if the Navy had listened to the Army about mooring points, but they weren't going to take advice from anyone.
I've had lunch in the Skylon Tower at Niagra falls if that counts?
I've been there too. I loved the revolving bit. But that was way before the Skylon concept. It would be more exciting for me now
Did you go on the Maid of the Mist?"
No we were actually on a business trip, so didn't have the time , conducted business over the lunch. Ended up in the CN tower for lunch the next day too!
Actually have been at the top of Sky City Auckland , CN Toronto and Willis Building in Chicago and watched the aircraft below me!
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it."
I really didn't know that; thanks
See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I agree with the engineering side of things, she was a brilliant plane. Aft
er reading the book Sea Harriers over the Falklands, I don't agree with the Falklands bit.
that book is a very interesting read. the numbers and costs involved are staggering as is the ( for want of a better word ) incompetance
As I said, the Falklands resonates with some of us for personal reasons, but I agree about the appalling incompetence and waste. Sir Galahad wouldn't have been hit if the Navy had listened to the Army about mooring points, but they weren't going to take advice from anyone.
I've had lunch in the Skylon Tower at Niagra falls if that counts? "
Take advice from the Army? Aye right. |
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I have; I even went to the Skylon just because of the name; I normally wouldn't eat in a place like that
I know that the bi$$ions it will cost could be put to other good an immediate uses. But don't you think that for some things, like finding another home for us, deserves spending that sort of money?
By the way, I still don't know why polymers can't be made as heat-resistant as ceramics. Ceramics are so brittle and can only be applied in small units which keep popping off
Skylon should let us lunch satalites for 15th the cost and without scraping the whole lunch vehicle given were chucking up about 220+ new ones a year that's a massive improvement also kinda environmental friendly lol.
Polymers are all based on hydrocarbons we can make them pretty damn temperature resistant (epoxy resins used for high temperature carbon fibre etc) but there is a limit to the amount of energy the bonds can take before they just break down.
For a heat shield though small tiles is better than one big hull, if a tile gets damaged by an impact or burns through you can replace it if it's one big panel/hull you have to change the whole thing.
I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx"
Yeah the sr71 used leak fuel till it heated up lol |
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I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
I really didn't know that; thanks
See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there "
I never said it wasn't, it even used to accelerate in a dive to save fuel. I simply said that the words "German" and "environmentally friendly" aren't often associated with each other. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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I really didn't know that; thanks
See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there
I never said it wasn't, it even used to accelerate in a dive to save fuel. I simply said that the words "German" and "environmentally friendly" aren't often associated with each other."
details, details |
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I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
I really didn't know that; thanks
See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there "
https://youtu.be/-1250fZuhUg
It's documented in this video.
Also it was very environmentally friendly when traveling at mach-3+
It's the only aircraft in history to use less fuel at top speed. |
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By *osieWoman
over a year ago
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See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there
https://youtu.be/-1250fZuhUg
It's documented in this video.
Also it was very environmentally friendly when traveling at mach-3+
It's the only aircraft in history to use less fuel at top speed."
And you have just proved my rationale for driving at 250 kph on the Autobahn; I am saving fuel
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I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
I really didn't know that; thanks
See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there
I never said it wasn't, it even used to accelerate in a dive to save fuel. I simply said that the words "German" and "environmentally friendly" aren't often associated with each other."
It actually accelerated whilst climbing, the engines were so powerful they could actually power a cruise ship. |
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See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there
https://youtu.be/-1250fZuhUg
It's documented in this video.
Also it was very environmentally friendly when traveling at mach-3+
It's the only aircraft in history to use less fuel at top speed.
And you have just proved my rationale for driving at 250 kph on the Autobahn; I am saving fuel
xxx"
Doesn't quite work like that with internal combustion engines I'm afraid. The engines on the SR71 only have one moving part, much of the combustion was created by air pressure. That's why it had the cones over the front of each air intake. They slowed the incoming air to subsonic speeds and pressurized it even before it entered the engine itself. |
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I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
I really didn't know that; thanks
See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there
I never said it wasn't, it even used to accelerate in a dive to save fuel. I simply said that the words "German" and "environmentally friendly" aren't often associated with each other.
It actually accelerated whilst climbing, the engines were so powerful they could actually power a cruise ship."
Aren't most large ships powered by gas turbine? The invincible class carrier was after all powered by 4 Olympus MGT very similar those in vulcan and concorde. |
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over a year ago
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And you have just proved my rationale for driving at 250 kph on the Autobahn; I am saving fuel
xxx
Doesn't quite work like that with internal combustion engines I'm afraid. The engines on the SR71 only have one moving part, much of the combustion was created by air pressure. That's why it had the cones over the front of each air intake. They slowed the incoming air to subsonic speeds and pressurized it even before it entered the engine itself."
Do all you guys have to be so factual? Gimme a chance to live out my fantasies; xxx
Anyway, to all of you lucky folk who will get a glimpse of the Vulcan; hope the weather is good and she shows everyone what she is truly made out of |
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I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
I really didn't know that; thanks
See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there
I never said it wasn't, it even used to accelerate in a dive to save fuel. I simply said that the words "German" and "environmentally friendly" aren't often associated with each other.
It actually accelerated whilst climbing, the engines were so powerful they could actually power a cruise ship.
Aren't most large ships powered by gas turbine? The invincible class carrier was after all powered by 4 Olympus MGT very similar those in vulcan and concorde."
Yes (although Cummins build plenty of large diesel marine engines, I used to work on them).
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I have; I even went to the Skylon just because of the name; I normally wouldn't eat in a place like that
I know that the bi$$ions it will cost could be put to other good an immediate uses. But don't you think that for some things, like finding another home for us, deserves spending that sort of money?
By the way, I still don't know why polymers can't be made as heat-resistant as ceramics. Ceramics are so brittle and can only be applied in small units which keep popping off
Skylon should let us lunch satalites for 15th the cost and without scraping the whole lunch vehicle given were chucking up about 220+ new ones a year that's a massive improvement also kinda environmental friendly lol.
Polymers are all based on hydrocarbons we can make them pretty damn temperature resistant (epoxy resins used for high temperature carbon fibre etc) but there is a limit to the amount of energy the bonds can take before they just break down.
For a heat shield though small tiles is better than one big hull, if a tile gets damaged by an impact or burns through you can replace it if it's one big panel/hull you have to change the whole thing.
I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it."
Not true. The following is true...
The fuel tanks were never intended to leak. There was no sealant available that could do the job and contend with 300 degree fuel. The SR-71 does not seal up from heat expansion during flight, but a 10lb/hr fuel leak doesn't mean much when you're burning 60,000lb/hr.
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I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
I really didn't know that; thanks
See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there
I never said it wasn't, it even used to accelerate in a dive to save fuel. I simply said that the words "German" and "environmentally friendly" aren't often associated with each other.
It actually accelerated whilst climbing, the engines were so powerful they could actually power a cruise ship.
Aren't most large ships powered by gas turbine? The invincible class carrier was after all powered by 4 Olympus MGT very similar those in vulcan and concorde.
Yes (although Cummins build plenty of large diesel marine engines, I used to work on them).
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I have; I even went to the Skylon just because of the name; I normally wouldn't eat in a place like that
I know that the bi$$ions it will cost could be put to other good an immediate uses. But don't you think that for some things, like finding another home for us, deserves spending that sort of money?
By the way, I still don't know why polymers can't be made as heat-resistant as ceramics. Ceramics are so brittle and can only be applied in small units which keep popping off
Skylon should let us lunch satalites for 15th the cost and without scraping the whole lunch vehicle given were chucking up about 220+ new ones a year that's a massive improvement also kinda environmental friendly lol.
Polymers are all based on hydrocarbons we can make them pretty damn temperature resistant (epoxy resins used for high temperature carbon fibre etc) but there is a limit to the amount of energy the bonds can take before they just break down.
For a heat shield though small tiles is better than one big hull, if a tile gets damaged by an impact or burns through you can replace it if it's one big panel/hull you have to change the whole thing.
I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
Not true. The following is true...
The fuel tanks were never intended to leak. There was no sealant available that could do the job and contend with 300 degree fuel. The SR-71 does not seal up from heat expansion during flight, but a 10lb/hr fuel leak doesn't mean much when you're burning 60,000lb/hr.
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Watch the video I posted earlier.
They filled it prior to take-off and it leaked so badly it was almost empty by the time it left the ground. |
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And you have just proved my rationale for driving at 250 kph on the Autobahn; I am saving fuel
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Doesn't quite work like that with internal combustion engines I'm afraid. The engines on the SR71 only have one moving part, much of the combustion was created by air pressure. That's why it had the cones over the front of each air intake. They slowed the incoming air to subsonic speeds and pressurized it even before it entered the engine itself.
Do all you guys have to be so factual? Gimme a chance to live out my fantasies; xxx
Anyway, to all of you lucky folk who will get a glimpse of the Vulcan; hope the weather is good and she shows everyone what she is truly made out of"
Probably Alclad (L72)
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I have; I even went to the Skylon just because of the name; I normally wouldn't eat in a place like that
I know that the bi$$ions it will cost could be put to other good an immediate uses. But don't you think that for some things, like finding another home for us, deserves spending that sort of money?
By the way, I still don't know why polymers can't be made as heat-resistant as ceramics. Ceramics are so brittle and can only be applied in small units which keep popping off
Skylon should let us lunch satalites for 15th the cost and without scraping the whole lunch vehicle given were chucking up about 220+ new ones a year that's a massive improvement also kinda environmental friendly lol.
Polymers are all based on hydrocarbons we can make them pretty damn temperature resistant (epoxy resins used for high temperature carbon fibre etc) but there is a limit to the amount of energy the bonds can take before they just break down.
For a heat shield though small tiles is better than one big hull, if a tile gets damaged by an impact or burns through you can replace it if it's one big panel/hull you have to change the whole thing.
I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
Not true. The following is true...
The fuel tanks were never intended to leak. There was no sealant available that could do the job and contend with 300 degree fuel. The SR-71 does not seal up from heat expansion during flight, but a 10lb/hr fuel leak doesn't mean much when you're burning 60,000lb/hr.
Watch the video I posted earlier.
They filled it prior to take-off and it leaked so badly it was almost empty by the time it left the ground."
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And you have just proved my rationale for driving at 250 kph on the Autobahn; I am saving fuel
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Doesn't quite work like that with internal combustion engines I'm afraid. The engines on the SR71 only have one moving part, much of the combustion was created by air pressure. That's why it had the cones over the front of each air intake. They slowed the incoming air to subsonic speeds and pressurized it even before it entered the engine itself.
Do all you guys have to be so factual? Gimme a chance to live out my fantasies; xxx
Anyway, to all of you lucky folk who will get a glimpse of the Vulcan; hope the weather is good and she shows everyone what she is truly made out of
Probably Alclad (L72)
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You are so ......
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I have; I even went to the Skylon just because of the name; I normally wouldn't eat in a place like that
I know that the bi$$ions it will cost could be put to other good an immediate uses. But don't you think that for some things, like finding another home for us, deserves spending that sort of money?
By the way, I still don't know why polymers can't be made as heat-resistant as ceramics. Ceramics are so brittle and can only be applied in small units which keep popping off
Skylon should let us lunch satalites for 15th the cost and without scraping the whole lunch vehicle given were chucking up about 220+ new ones a year that's a massive improvement also kinda environmental friendly lol.
Polymers are all based on hydrocarbons we can make them pretty damn temperature resistant (epoxy resins used for high temperature carbon fibre etc) but there is a limit to the amount of energy the bonds can take before they just break down.
For a heat shield though small tiles is better than one big hull, if a tile gets damaged by an impact or burns through you can replace it if it's one big panel/hull you have to change the whole thing.
I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
Not true. The following is true...
The fuel tanks were never intended to leak. There was no sealant available that could do the job and contend with 300 degree fuel. The SR-71 does not seal up from heat expansion during flight, but a 10lb/hr fuel leak doesn't mean much when you're burning 60,000lb/hr.
Watch the video I posted earlier.
They filled it prior to take-off and it leaked so badly it was almost empty by the time it left the ground.
Yes people who don't actually know agree with that video."
How about people who've been in the same hangar as one at Mildenhall and spoken to ground crew? |
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I like 'environmentally friendly'; however, I will admit that is not my first consideration
I know the SR-71 was so environmentally unfriendly that it could not even take-off on full tanks and had to be refuelled mid-air just to start it off with full tanks. Being German, we are generally environmentally friendly. But in my childish day-dreams when walking through a miserable farm in the middle of nowhere, I couldn't care less. All I could see was me in the cockpit in command of the controls of an SR-71. The closest I ever got was to a LearJet simulator and Cessnas
I hear what you say about easier maintenance of ceramic tiles; I can tell that you are an engineer. But it will spoil the looks and I am looking for kool
xxx
It couldn't take off on full tanks because when the aircraft wasn't heated by air friction it leaked like a sieve. Once it got up to speed and everything expanded it stopped leaking and they could fill it.
I really didn't know that; thanks
See Mr Clem fandango; it was environmentally friendly; so there
I never said it wasn't, it even used to accelerate in a dive to save fuel. I simply said that the words "German" and "environmentally friendly" aren't often associated with each other.
It actually accelerated whilst climbing, the engines were so powerful they could actually power a cruise ship."
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"How about you check out my degree in aeronautical engineering and carry on fixing your alpha Romeo? "
Spell Alfa Romeo correctly and I may consider it.... |
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"Gentlemen; its a Friday evening; chill out; xxx
This is how engineers chill out! Xx"
Engineers are one of the few groups I know that are often as pleased to be proved wrong as right. |
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Just blow exhaust through an FPT ( free power turbine) of course the exhaust gases would have been to hot from the blackbirds ECU's (engine change units) as they ran in continual re-heat. Hence the MGT version of the Olympus was non re-heat and ran at a lower NG than even the Olympus fitted to Vulcan, which as we all know, was also without re-heat. (Although it was trailed as development for TSR2) |
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"How about you check out my degree in aeronautical engineering and carry on fixing your alpha Romeo?
Spell Alfa Romeo correctly and I may consider it.... "
I can proudly say i know little about cars beyond brake pads and filters! To bloody dirty! |
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"How about you check out my degree in aeronautical engineering and carry on fixing your alpha Romeo?
Spell Alfa Romeo correctly and I may consider it....
I can proudly say i know little about cars beyond brake pads and filters! To bloody dirty!"
That's where my passion truly lies. I love the dirt and oil.
I remember installing some machinery at Rolls Royce when I was an apprentice and wondering why it was so clean...
Even the maintenance hangars at Brunty are remarkably clean. |
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A Vulcan flew over us up on the local common about 33 years ago, with two fighters as escort, and had to climb to avoid the mountains.... the sound as it throttled up right over us at about 200 feet was biblical, the ground shook, and from that moment on I fell in love with an aeroplane! |
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By *sh6866Man
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This is how engineers chill out! Xx
Engineers are one of the few groups I know that are often as pleased to be proved wrong as right."
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Will be watching it from Staverton, on Sunday afternoon, weather (and parking) permitting.
The XH558 website (vulcantothesky org)has a map of the routes. North on Saturday - South on Sunday.
Missed it at Fairford in July, so glad of another chance to catch it.
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By *eavenNhellCouple
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"A Vulcan flew over us up on the local common about 33 years ago, with two fighters as escort, and had to climb to avoid the mountains.... the sound as it throttled up right over us at about 200 feet was biblical, the ground shook, and from that moment on I fell in love with an aeroplane! "
ah the vulcan howl awsome noise isnt it
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"A Vulcan flew over us up on the local common about 33 years ago, with two fighters as escort, and had to climb to avoid the mountains.... the sound as it throttled up right over us at about 200 feet was biblical, the ground shook, and from that moment on I fell in love with an aeroplane! ah the vulcan howl awsome noise isnt it
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I remember watching Concorde come into Manchester on a night flight many moons ago
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I've been wanting to see the Vulcan all year and not been able to make it.
I got to see her completely by chance, were not far from finningley, you heard her fire up and everyone just stopped and watched.
She circled round the field then went back down the runway before disappearing.
No time later she was somewhere over Northampton on the way to the south coast.
Such a shame this is her last year. |
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"A Vulcan flew over us up on the local common about 33 years ago, with two fighters as escort, and had to climb to avoid the mountains.... the sound as it throttled up right over us at about 200 feet was biblical, the ground shook, and from that moment on I fell in love with an aeroplane! ah the vulcan howl awsome noise isnt it
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I remember watching Concorde come into Manchester on a night flight many moons ago
The take off on full afterburner was quite a sight "
Concorde's engines were a development of the Vulcan engines - the Rolls Royce Olympus - that's why they sound similar |
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"A Vulcan flew over us up on the local common about 33 years ago, with two fighters as escort, and had to climb to avoid the mountains.... the sound as it throttled up right over us at about 200 feet was biblical, the ground shook, and from that moment on I fell in love with an aeroplane! ah the vulcan howl awsome noise isnt it
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I remember watching Concorde come into Manchester on a night flight many moons ago
The take off on full afterburner was quite a sight
Concorde's engines were a development of the Vulcan engines - the Rolls Royce Olympus - that's why they sound similar "
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just for those of you that cant see this magnificent lady today....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ARSE8jEHQ
sitting here wiping away the tears now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yry2LnaNeXc
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"A Vulcan flew over us up on the local common about 33 years ago, with two fighters as escort, and had to climb to avoid the mountains.... the sound as it throttled up right over us at about 200 feet was biblical, the ground shook, and from that moment on I fell in love with an aeroplane! ah the vulcan howl awsome noise isnt it
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I remember watching Concorde come into Manchester on a night flight many moons ago
The take off on full afterburner was quite a sight
Concorde's engines were a development of the Vulcan engines - the Rolls Royce Olympus - that's why they sound similar "
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I can honestly tell you... It was the loudest thing I've ever heard
Even as an environmentalist, it saddens me that my children can not see it.... Like the space shuttle, it will always feel like a step backwards |
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"just for those of you that cant see this magnificent lady today....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ARSE8jEHQ
sitting here wiping away the tears now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yry2LnaNeXc
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Thanks for that. Even just on Stereo speakers, the sound is amazing |
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"Everyone had ruined this talking about looks and noise I was getting excited thinking of thiokol specs "
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Well I don't know what thiokol is but it sounds technical.... And I do love the technical bits of stuff.
Like the space shuttle, they launched it on liquid hydrogen and oxygen.... Out of the exhaust came clouds... So much cloud it rained for ten minutes after it had launched on a beautiful blue day in Florida .
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"just for those of you that cant see this magnificent lady today....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ARSE8jEHQ
sitting here wiping away the tears now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yry2LnaNeXc
Thanks for that. Even just on Stereo speakers, the sound is amazing"
Sounds even better with surround sound B&W 500watt speakers turned to the max!
My poor neighbours!
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It doesn't seem that long since we lost the Vulcan at Blackpool, due to corrosion
Wasn't it sold, then basically fell apart when they tried to disassemble it?
Plus: does anyone remember the Lightning standing all alone in that scrapyard at the side of the A1 near Newark (Baldersby??)
Have a look at the 'Thunder and Lightning' website, dedicated to these wonders of flight |
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